Agreed! While I appreciate the glamour dresser, its a bit frustrating sometimes when I go to put something in it, realize I forgot to repair it, then have to load out of the inn room, run all the way to a repair vendor, and run back just to put it in the dresser. I also dread the day that I hit that 400 item cap in the dresser and have to start clearing stuff out of it. Glamour log + lifting class restrictions on gear for glamour would be amazing.
@@StarlitSoryn Class restrictions are good IMO. I like that the jobs have a visual identity. They should basically lift the collections/transmog system from WoW though. It's one of the few things that WoW does better.
@@mosley3485 I can agree with this for the most part. Though certain gear pieces are just recolors depending on the class. If they could make that distinction somehow, I'd like to see these restrictions lifted. (For example, the gear sets from Shisui of the Violet Tides)
@@StarlitSoryn Ive already hit the 400 limit and Ive only just reached Stormblood... It makes me sad when I find something new I really like but know Im gonna have to boot something else out. :(
Yeah, as I progress into my final years of study, Im questioning to myself, "Do I really want to do this shit for the foreseeable future?". I'll see where the wind takes me 🙃
While I agree, I don’t get why multiplication is so hard. Potency in general is just so much better than wow tooltips, where it’s like “welp, need a target dummy to know how much this will actually do”
@@Efryon they have the same end potency except doton is a dot so will do the same dps only if the boss is in it for 24 seconds but it costs an extra mudra cast to use and misses trick buff for most of it so thats why its bad
having a DoT total potency would help, but it could also lead to some confusion still, since Doton is still used on single target boss fights due to having a free use in the opener. It would still help a ton tho, yes
game doesn't need to be easier, it just needs better tutorialisation of class mechanics (or at the very least fixing some wack tooltips and giving some better feedback on certain skills) it's far too easy to ignore so many class mechanics for the majority of content, and that is certainly dragging a lot of people down.
As a brazilian player, lightning reflexes needed to avoid mechanics also mean people around the world with 200ms like me just can't do that content, period, if they are OTK abilities. Something to consider.
@@Tentacl I can't say i've ever seen a mechanic like that myself that wasn't telegraphed way ahead of time, but then again I could just be forgetting it (I do have 150+ ping myself most days, as my area has awful connection for some reason, despite being in the UK, fairly sure that's an ISP issue though). however that's not so much a difficulty issue, and more to do with their server locations (they're adding new data centers with time, so I hope you get one in your "region" soon.)
I think the game is already too easy. why? because you can make 90 % of the content without barely knowing what your skills do and how they work. Sure there is a small percentage of gameplay that you need to train months if not years to get it done, but that's a small part of the game. That doesn't makes the game hard, the game is just easy with a small part really hard.
@@Tentacl I don't think any game should be balanced around the assumption that people have a bad connection/live far away from the datacenters. If the game difficulty was balanced around 200ms, what would be there to do for people with lower ping? If you have technical difficulties or play a game that doesn't have local servers, it's on you to accept the reality and decide if it's something you want to deal with
Yo, as someone who is pretty hardcore this video hit home, the constant like cult-like worship of the dev team is fucking absurd and I hope more people see this vid, asking for more content shouldn't be just for Mahjong, but also for people who are dedicated and enjoy the game as a challenge Seeing Shinryu Normal get walked back in difficulty was depressing
"That's like saying an anime is good if half the episodes are alright and the other half is dog-shit". Dude, I see soooo many animes where this applies and people still tells me it's good. An anime (that I won't name) I actively quit about 200 episodes in because of a 20 episode fight that showed itself to be pointless and people still tell me I should tough it out. Perception is an issue though - ARR is good *compared to other MMO plots*. Other MMO's have set the bar so low that it's god-tier by comparison.
If you're talking about One Piece then it sounds like the Foxy Pirates and the Davey Back Fight. An inherently shit arc and one that makes me genuinely question wtf Oda was thinking. I assume he was stalling for time to finish storyboarding Water 7. When showing OP to a friend I intend to skip that arc entirely since it doesn't matter, affects nothing, and is infuriating to sit through, not that I ever did. If I'm correct then understand that you are past the worst of One Piece and into pure kino territory. I must also recommend One Pace. A fan project that seeks to adapt the anime to be much closer to the manga in content and pacing. It is nearly required as you get deeper in and the producers start stretching episodes out further and further than you could ever imagine. They aren't done with Water 7 yet, but aside from an annoying hiccup towards the end of that arc it doesn't need it that badly. Everything thereafter is paced. If I am wrong and you are talking about another big and long-winded anime then understand that Naruto, Naruto Shippuden, and Bleach all have filler episodes around the 200 mark. One Piece too actually. You should acquaint yourself with Anime Filler List to see what's filler or "anime canon" before you waste your time watching nonsense. Fun Fact: Naruto episodes 1-100something has only a little filler here and there before it becomes entirely filler until the final episode, 200. If I was wrong and your friends were having you watch Naruto then understand you just watched 80ish episodes of fucking nothing.
For as shit as it was, ARR was still enough general worldbuilding to keep me ticking over. I'm also absolutely certain that if the localisation team didn't write everyone in various British regional casual dialects and somewhat archaic English I would have lost interest within a few hours. I am constructing a shrine to Koji Fox as we speak
The ARR story was absolutely amazing. Its the entire reason the rest of the game stands up as it does. Most of the ARR issues werent ARR issues, moreso post ARR pre HW.
The problem with ARR is that the story is incredibly boring up until you reach about halfway through it, when the Scions are forced to relocate. From that point forward the story just keeps getting better.
ARR would actually have been significantly better without Koji since the best part (Coerthas) wouldn't have been butchered. Granted though that wasn't Koji's call, he was bound to his corporate overlords, and he's apologized since then (but still hasn't updated it)
Agreed. It was designed to teach people who have _never_ seen an MMO before how they work while trying to provide an rpg experience. For MMO vets, it's hair pulling boring. For someone who is actually new, it is informative.
A realm reborn was my first experience with ff14. And it left such a strong negative impression that im scared to play it again to re-experience the same boredom again
@@CommandoBlack123 the whole story is like that. Infinite dumb text that serves no real purpose than to pad the thin story content to 400h. Teleporting back and forth, standing around, hunting pixels and endlessly talking to unvoic d characters as they use you as a pawn.
It's insane to me that they have been scaling back content since ARR so hard and no one seems to care I mean at least we got Fishing Trawler and more Mahjong updates though
Or as we learned from WoW when the devs dont listen to you when you criticize the game and stubbornly dig in their heels until everyone just gives up on them and leaves lol.
That quest line is absolutely hilarious but sadly it suffers from ARR syndrome in that it just sticks around for too long and has too much traveling back and forth. I feel like it starts out staying its welcome after the Gilgamesh storyline ends.
I'm pretty happy with the difficulty of normal mode content. Maybe it could be a touch harder, but whatever. And as a DRG main, I like the positionals. DRG would be very boring to play without them. But I don't want to go back to Heavy Swing and basically being a spear version of monk. We're in a good spot, and I hope that doesn't change.
Yup, the harder parts of normal difficulty are pretty much perfect for my taste. On some occasions, the difficulty just drops weirdly tho. I did the first three parts of the Eden raids so far and was too disappointed by how easily we cleared. Some of the older content could use a max iLvl adjustment too.
As a person that loves the story of ARR, one massive gripe I have with it is the dialogue, like good lord it's like the writer just discovered Shakespeare and only read one line... Combine that with the sub par voice acting and it feels like I'm listening through a highschool play
As it goes on you really do start to pick up that some characters lean more into it than others, like the city leaders for example. Urianger is eccentric even by his own country's standards, and even his own companions find it a bit too much at times. The majority of folks only dabble in that kind of speech, and some eschew it completely. It gives a certain amount of variety to the world, which I kind of appreciate - everyone speaking in the exact same way has always been something that's thrown me off in stories. I have to say though, I think many of the voices fit quite well. In particular, Alphinaud's. He actually sounds like a teenager trying way too hard to be an adult, which is actually what he is. Granted, he's exceedingly competent at that, and it makes sense because of where he hails from and who his family is, but still, for me, the character and the voice match well. I've listened to Alphinaud's voice from later content, and it has too much of a youthful energy to me. I end up thinking more 9S from Nier: Automata than my image of Alphinaud.
@@oriondezagrats4228 I agree with your case with Alphinaud since one of his VA is Sam Reigel and his performance was phenomenal Also when I said subpar voice acting, I might've been only thinking about Raubahn. No offense to his VA but to me, his voice sounded very monotone... Like that one time he said confound it all in that one certain war scene? It sounded like it lacked emotion to me. Plus I cannot deny that some scenes in quest lines that would greatly benefit from voice acting (i.e. The Crystal Tower quest line and the Manderville quest line) I can't add much to my case since I'm still doing Heavensward (though seems to me that it's already delivering on the voice acting department)
ARR had it awesome parts and its boring parts. I did not find it tough to get through though. And yes I am one of those people who watch every single cutscene....
It's a bit weird, but at least for me it was kinda refreshing to at least get a *different* flavor of bad anime dub, and that carried me through a lot of the ARR jank.
@@whistlerdan7718 I didn't mind Raubahn but Cids voice acting was fucking terrible, horribly stilted, underacted and monotone, thankfully once your past ARR the only time you ever hear it again is in MSQ roulette. By constrat Merlwybb's ARR voice was amazing and her current voice just lacks character.
5:57 "If you choose a garbage playstyle..." *six people get killed by a single laser beam* "You are a problem." Idk if that was intentional but that was great lmao
First real video off FFXIV I've seen, everything is so fucking snowflakey and gated by flowers and lolipops where you're not allowed to say a god damn thing about the game in a negative manner. Everyone and their mother praises the FFXIV community like its heaven on earth but I feel like they're all in a huge ass vacuum where they're only allowed to say good shit about the community where as I've experienced some of the most "casual toxicity" in this game I've never seen before. You're a godsent for trying to make the ppl of ffxiv community realise how actually SHITTY it is when its taken out of their vacuum
I agree with half of the stuff you say, but the other half I'm actually shocked to know it even exists. I mean... I play this game for YEARS and I NEVER seen anyone complaining about Normal Mode shit being hard.
@@PKDeviluke25 Still... maybe it was just a response to the new expansion's hurdles. It was the first Shb trial afterall and many were new to the game (FFXIV popped the F off with Shadowbringers). If it was just Titania and justback in 2019, then yea, I can see that happening. Not as a recurring or annoying thing though.
@@Liendros Also Innocence people struggle with understanding his mechanics. Like ShB normal trials in general are actually well balanced is that people dont research the fights beforehand because they like going in blind or some other reason, though most of the time they mention in chat its their first time so people dont get too upset about it. People that complain are the ones that happen to be in a group of mostly newbies for these trials and they just wipe constantly. I was in a really bad Titania group that wiped constantly when her adds spawn (mustardseed and the other two).
@@PKDeviluke25 There's no difficult mechanic in Titania normal. It's because it has a dps check on the ads and people don't know how to dps. As far as I've been able to tell it's the ONLY required normal mode trial with a dps check (Unless we're counting ifrit nails that I swear just kill themselves, lol). And people who just can't dps will get stuck there if enough of them are in one group.
I don't think the game is great, missions are boring as fuck, there is barely any voice acting, combat is boring, so far i'm not enjoying the game at all. i have to fucking read all the dialogue, but still the characters have like mouth physics as if they are talking, like make up your mind game, if you dont have voice acting, why the fuck are the mouths even moving....
@@doctorgonzo7777 the quests are definitely boring if you just want to get through them. (and there's a lot of them you have to do) the mouths moving with no voice definitely can be an annoyance too. Depending on how far you are though the combat does pick up. But if you're not having a good time. Just move on to another game. I do think the "late game" is good, but, the time it takes to get there with the possibility of you not enjoying yourself is just not worth it.
@@XxCrazyKookyxX i mean i started the game with the intention to pay attention to the whole story line, but the game has already managed to get me so annoyed with all the dialogue you have to read with 0 voice acting. that now i dont read any of it i just click past everything. i litterally started playing today and i think i might not ever play it again after today either. if a game cant even get me to pay attention to the story, there is no reason for me to play anymore
As a Healer/tank who actually watches guides and try to at least improve the bare minimum I really enjoy watching people get rekt on shadowbringers because "taking the game seriously is not having fun" Have fun being dead most of the leveling dungeon. PD: yes I will adjust to smaller pulls or change to less dps to heal more but there are times when that ranged dps just doesn't evade AoEs in single pulls or the tank who doesn't know mitigations at lvl 72
This right here is how I ended up playing tank. Got tired of seeing the tank die too many times. Then I ended up really enjoying it and play from HW and up as a drk
It's funny how you really dunked on ARR when I keep seeing these first time WoW players post videos about how much they liked it...I can't tell if it's horrible or amazing lmfao.
i never played wow, but ARR (patches 2.0 to 2.55 of the MSQ, but I feel the worst part to be 2.1 onward, about 80 missions) devolves into being an infinite slog of fetch quests occasionally interrupted by a dungeon (or a trial, which is literally a 5 minutes fight), all while constricted into a somewhat small region While at the beginning it is fine (alternating fighting and fetch quests while exploring the various regions, all the while introducing the various classes) some flaws immediately pop up, like you getting a mount about a third through the MSQ, after you travelled the world several times on foot. The latter part of 2.0 (including the last 2 dungeons) and at least 2.1 and 2.2 (because I only played that far, yet) are instead 99% fetch quests. There's a part where you have to enter a village. After several hours (from 2PM to 6PM) of going up and down the same stretch of land and an amount of cutscenes, the solution is "fuck it, I'm going in on my own", so you do and it works. The last 2 dungeons are interrupted every couple minutes by cutscenes longer than the gameplay. The post story (2.1 onward) is 99% "go to place, talk to guy, cutscene". (There's a technical reason for this, but I'd rather have no game than this kind of pace) The story itself is enjoyable, if you cut out the fluff, but the way it's presented makes me want to end myself, especially if you are (like me) in the position of having to binge it all at once to get to what's chanted as "the good part". Hoping for it to be actually there, obv. So yeah, it's a good story, horrible presentation.
I am first time player who played WoW before.... I will be hornest. I'm currently at the point where you join Grand Company - and the MSQ is borring as hell....it's a walking simulator. There have been some dungeons to spice things up, but the rest of the game is walking and reading text. I have been pushing forward because I believe I'll get the mount soon - to make walking part more barable - but every time I think ... "right! mount time!" ... the mount slips further and further ahead.... I finaly got the "My litle Chocobo" quest but now I need some company seals ... argh! It's always something! I feel like Hudson Hawk, trying to get his cappuccino xD But overall? - I played worse games. That's why I think some people like ARR - I get it. Because most MMO's specialy old ones were much worse than this. There's atleast something to do besides questing - like PvP or hunting .... or just messing with people in Limsa Lominsa. Is it better than vanila WoW ?... I will be hornest again - not for me. But for a lot of people it is.
@@Member_zero you're almost there, bud The seals are given by either the next msq mission or an extra mission given to you right beside where you sign up to the company Through the continuation of the msq you're going to get mount speed increases in various areas, vital to cross the map even faster (also remember to abuse the teleport, the fee is nothing) Lastly, I'd suggest you go to Central shroud ASAP and complete my feisty little chocobo too, it'll do wonders
@@MrMe917 Ye maybe later on when I get more gil, it won't seem that way but man ... teleport fee is a robbery! I was walking the whole time just to save some gil ... 300+ gil as these travels cost some times ... I could get an armor or an axe for that money! I was actualy contemplating skipping on airship cost and walk from Limsa Lominsa to Gridania ... 120gil + I would get to see the world! But it seemed far. I would not be surprised if in the future they add a sotryline how these NPC's conspire to scam players out of their gil - the quest givers deliberately give you quest to walk great distance and entice the players to spend for airship and teleport. Which mark up the price to the sky. Then they split the profits.
@@Member_zero You may be right, since I like crafting I never bought equipment and always mined manually, and that may have allowed me to save a higher amount of money On a sidenote, while you can walk from Gridania to Ul'Dah (and the rest of the ARR map), you can't get to Limsa on foot, as La Noscea is an island.
The game definitely needs a better tutorial. There is so much shit that is looked over and will only give you a tutorial if you accidentally stumble upon it. I walked everywhere to level 50 because I didn't know I could go get a chocobo at 30
Ive definitely seen first hand people threaten to report when someone tries to give advice and ive only been playing for like a month and a half. Its almost like a lot of people in the player base cant differentiate between constructive criticism and negative criticism. Im if doin something wrong id like someone to tell me im doing something wrong so I dont keep making the same dumb mistake over and over again
@Dizzy Gear i could see that. Like people shouldn't be douche bags to eachother, but at the same time words are just words. If someone's being a prick just try to work it out, and if they continue to be a dick just tell em to fuck off and finish the instance so you can go back to playing the game. People just seem to get butt hurt easily. I havent seen much political talk yet, but a huge portion of the internet seems to think they have a political science degree so I wouldn't be surprised if it has a large presence in the community. I miss when people on all sides of the political spectrum knew to keep politics and entertainment separate.
@Dizzy Gear I literally just haven't come accross any of that personally. Never even came across any of those antics on Crystal and I was there for 4-5 years maybe I'm just lucky
@@Roymoney1998 irt the ‘political correctness’ rant, i kind of get the feeling he was saying stuff he shouldnt say or being a dick and people werent having it lmao
Meanwhile I'm sitting here at level 26 wanting to blow my brains out after the game gives me yet another quest line that involves city hopping to talk to some jackass in a bar multiple times but everybody is insisting this is the greatest MMORPG ever created.
ARR is terrible. But as someone who hated MMOs until Final Fantasy, just stick through it and chip away at it whenever, at your own pace. The end of the Realm Reborn story is great, and Heavensward is much better(although still a little slow to pick up). Worse comes to worst just read the short version of it on some website or watch a summary. The story is good after ARR in my opinion.
@@somedudeontheinterwebs45 The end of A Realm Reboring was interesting...but then Heavensward starts up and makes it all insignificant lol I wont spoil it but the MSQ is heavily flawed around that part.
@@MalcomMalediction my stance has changed in the year+ since I've made this comment lol. I don't like 14 anymore, and have long since moved on from it.
It's funny when used correctly. Sometimes people really do say that when they're flamed for being obnoxious or stupid when trying to start beef (between FFXIV and WoW usually).
I played ARR right when it was released. I did quit after getting to 40ish but that was because I didnt like leve quests to level up alts. Just came back a few weeks ago after finally quitting wow after 16 years. I went slow and took in all the sights and did whatever I felt while doing some MSQ. I actually really enjoyed it this time around. Not trying to rush and get to end level like I normally do in MMOs, just taking my time and having fun with everything. ARR has been great. I'm half way through the patches after the main ARR story ends. If I like this I cant wait to get to the expansions with how high everyone is talking them up. Maybe its cause Ive been suffering through WOWs story line for a while and this is a breadth of fresh air. IDK. But its been great.
That was my experience coming from WoW too honestly. I was brought in by a friend who'd never played wow and they were like "ok so ARR is shit but you just have to get through it..." and I expected waaaay worse. Like yeah it's not on the same level as the expansions but it's better than what I left by a country mile. I think it's important to emphasise you shouldn't feel like you need to rush through it
ARR isn't exactly great, but people that play like you will still have a pretty good time, the issue is more about the people that are really impatience and get anxious thinking about getting to the expansions and stuff.
"A few weeks ago"... In that case, you've come in after all of the improvements to ARR. ~ Being able to fly after main story ~ Vesper Bay Aetheryte Tickets (you used to have to walk there all the way from Horizon every time, apparently) ~ A significant number of mind-numbing, tedious quests were cut, shortened, or otherwise cleaned up that you probably missed out on. I am at the point where I genuinely believe that the experience that *I* had with ARR is not the experience that the majority of other players had.
F#(*$&ing PREACH bro! YES! We need more of this, instead of all the worship this game gets! I'm so tired of all the hate people get when it comes to giving the game criticism. It's NOT a perfect game by far. Great? Yes, but not perfect. Note: I absolutely LOVE FFXIV, and have been playing it since 1.0. I do Endgame content, Casual-Midcore Content aswell. Edit: This video also made me feel ashamed to be apart of Aether DC lolol because Aether PF is absolutely DUMB 99.9% of the time. Call me toxic or w/e but you will only prove that you have not witnessed the BS Aether PF provides, END OF STORY.
Yea good points in the video. The only time I ever got a tip was starting out RDM. I was genuinely doing something wrong and someone gave me advice, but it struck me as odd how the person delivered the tip. They typed, "Psst, would you like a tip for playing RDM?" Reason that was odd to me, also coming from games like WoW and LoL, was because I'm used to people just straight up telling me, hey do this. I see why now they did that, didn't know about the strike system in ff14.
Oh yeah. You should have seen the discussion around Shinryu normal when Stormblood came out. Weeping, the gnashing if teeth, and calls for it to be nerfed, though I'm not sure if it ever happened. I know Thunder God got nerfed. RIP. It was my favorite 24 man fight.
i kept getting told "arr bad, go hw! go hw!" post patches of arr are slow yeah, but i nonetheless got like 4 total jobs up to 50 before i went to heavensward
i guess it depends on your server but in my experience it’s really, really not that bad. like i’d say there’s about a 1 in 100 chance you get a noticeably bad/ annoying player. and even then most of the time they’ll listen to advice
@@manafish8732 I've run 1100+ runs of mentor roulette and in my experience over 50% of players in this game are doing less than 70% of the dps they should be doing given their gear. Most people that play this game are pretty shit at it, which is whatever, but people who don't keep ACT up all the time don't realize the fact that the overwhelming majority of people are not only not playing optimally, they are actually playing extremely suboptimally.
Personally, I think ShB normal content is right in that sweet spot for normal difficulty, ARR is not as bad as people say (but I also typically like "bad" games/stories more than others anyway), SB was mostly good just a little bumpy here and there (ex. too many pointless feeling main quests), I know there are assholes but I've only run into maybe 8 since I started, and having played WoW for like 1.5 months, while I didn't really get into it, the gameplay (at that time) was enjoyable even though there was no story as far as I could tell, people tell me there kind of is, but I don't remember it. Now, having established me opinions, there are issues with the game, and it is ok to talk about them, there is nothing wrong with criticism, as long as it's justified (ie. not complaining that it's "weeb shit" and therefore should be shutdown).
ARR was good for me, and nobody told me It was bad to lower my expectations either. I think people Focus too much on the story and such and want to play ARR focusing on that, so I can see what they are complaining about. But If you stop by to smell the roses and don't Focus on clearing the MSQ to get to HW then your experience might be better (I didn't know anything about the expansions being better so I had no rush to ARR. I took too long to clear ARR because I was on Gold Saucer, doing triple triad with all NPCs that I found, crafting/gathering (I enjoy this chill stuff to do on a MMO) and such. I needed like 200h to clear ARR MSQ because I was doing other stuff that I wanted to do.
While I am glad you have found a way to enjoy yourself, what you're talking about isn't what is being criticized, because in order to actually unlock all of the content you have to play the MSQ. This is the problem and is the reason why many people, myself included, say ARR is the worst part of the game. What you're describing is essentially putting the ARR MSQ on hold while you played other portions of the game that were available. This doesn't work for everyone, and doesn't absolve ARR of it's pacing issues.
@@TryHardsHMSV I didn't say that ARR MSQ doesn't have pacing issues. What I said is that the MSQ isn't the only thing available in the game, and people judge entire expansions and ARR included only because of the story. Things are locked behind the MSQ but not everything that is good needs to be unlocked at lvl 50 MSQ or so. He said time and time again that ARR sucked and that people who said that they liked it are basically lying (he didn't say with those words, but I understood as such at least) because those who had a good time at ARR had it because others lowered their expectations to the ground beforehand. I didn't had my expectations lowered and actually enjoyed ARR, so that's my disagreemend. I didn't say that ARR doesn't have pacing issues with the MSQ, and I do believe that ARR is the worst part when compared to the expansions, but I DO like ARR, that's it.
@@00031849 I can confidently say its okay to genuinely like ARR. If you enjoyed it, no one is taking that away from you. However, the point I'm highlighting is when you say that people are too focused on the MSQ and not everything else, which is something I've heard before, and I find people underestimate just how pivotal the MSQ is to the game at large, even if you disregard endgame. Extra jobs and expansion zones (necessary to access for crafters/gatherers at 50+) are locked behind MSQ. Many, and I mean, many, new players have stopped and quit the game because they heard FFXIV is a great game, but with ARR as their first impression, it did not meet expectations. I've met plenty of people who have told me similar stories of wanting to play with their friends but cannot because of the MSQ, and then on top of that, not enjoying the MSQ itself. The MSQ is talked about the most because it's by far the biggest barrier of entry to content. If people aren't enjoying the story, everything else has to make up for it. For many, ARR at it's current state did not meet the praise that the playerbase states. For reference, I played ARR at launch, where there wasn't Triple Triad or Gold Saucer until like, 2.2 I think. So none of that was even in the game. Still enjoyed myself even when the MSQ was at it's lowest moments. It's better than what it was in the past, obviously, but it's still easily the worst part of the game.
@@TryHardsHMSV I've seen the exact opposite from new players impressions of ARR the last 5 months, many of them "WoW refugees". This is obviously something that certain people either don't mind or even like and others detest.
@@GarrusN7 If they like it, that's genuinely a good thing. But regardless of the result, it's helpful for them to know ahead of time what to expect. It doesn't matter if they're WoW refugees or not. The majority of players that I talked to with these issues barely touched WoW.
yup ive been screamed at multiple times "fucking toxic elitist go back to wow" for something as simple as "please don't hold your cooldowns" (i don't even play wow lol)
All of M. Chair's complaints are absolutely valid. On the toxic player note, I've definitely experienced the same. 99.99% good, and 1 or 2 players that are toxic in both ways pointed out. Short story time: Tank asked if the dungeon was my first time healing (I main WHM :3) and I gave him the classic, "um wat? lol." He stood in 3-5 stacked AOE's w/out cooldowns expecting me to heal him through it. Without hesitation or saying anything, the DPS started a vote kick and he was basically insta-kicked. Best feeling I've had in this game so far that doesn't include loot of some sort. Keep up the good videos, always love the content.
@@KainsAddiction It's an umbrella term for a lot of separate behaviours and personality traits that are generally really shitty and, generally-but-not-always, serve little purpose other than to make someone feel bad. Like, I agree that it gets overused, but it's not going to disappear from the public lexicon overnight.
as a healer id be grateful to have a tank who asks me if im new to the instance and doesnt just mass pull. id have just told them yes/no no matter how patronizing they actually were =p
tbh the worst part of the ffxiv community is just how... cringe it is. Just the way people act is enough to make me never join a FC, cause theres always gonna be those 2 or 3 people in there who are embarrassing to witness.
This is more a good thing than bad thing. There's some pretty socially awkward people out there and it's nice to see that there are places on the internet where they can feel accepted (like an FC). In any other place they would be bullied into oblivion. At least we have the choice of avoiding cringe people in ffxiv. They don't affect us other than being cringe, the toxic shits are probably the only bad thing about the community. That said, jesus, there's some seriously cringy people around. Best to ignore them as much as possible I guess.
@@psclly yeah no, I'm not saying any of these people deserve to be bullied or whatever and I certainly don't say anything rude to them, but it just makes me less than enthusiastic to engage with the community. It's no fault of their own.
I think if you politely inform someone of a skill that they are doing wrong through a whisper and they report you the GM who investigates that will see that you did nothing wrong. Actually the person who reported you can get in trouble for doing so unjustly.
Except you cant do that because in duty finder you cant talk in anything but say or party. You cant really be discreet. Hell you cant even open your social tab in duty finder or receive a tell from a friend.
Videos like this are important. XIV is among one of my favourite games, and when you constantly praise every single fuckin' thing about a game, regardless of whether you love it, how is that which you love going to improve? I've got nothing but respect for Yoshi and the entire team, but that don't mean I agree with everything the man says, either. Give me proper Anti-Aliasing!
As a new player, there are moments where I do feel the story is going pretty slow, though I don't know if that's just because of how i play the game, the whole company of heroes quests before titan did felt that way, but regardless of that, there's so much in the game that I am honestly having the best of times just going around the world seeing what I can do next.
I think people who follow the threads of the story well, and aren't just dying to get to the expansion it's easy to enjoy ARR. Personally, there wasn't enough voice acting to hold my attention. I was hoping I was playing an MMORPG when playing ARR, not a graphic novel.
ARR was alright. It wasn't anything incredible, but it was a better experience when it came to world building and my personal enjoyment, compared to a lot of other MMOs I've tried. Final pre-HW bit was great. You might start throwing rocks, lads
Yeah I agree. Maybe compare to the expansions it feel boring and long but without it to lay down the foundation of the world lore and story we wouldn't love the expansion that much now. We love them because the characters we meet in ARR actually matter and come back in future expansions to give us a hand. ARR story is way better than a lot of single player games's stories aswell. Also everyone has the right of opinion, you may hate it doesn't mean everyone have to hate it aswell. Let they play it and form their own opinion we don't need more sheeps who follow the mass because they don't want to be the outcast who don't have same opinion as the majority of ppl
I think as a new player arr was enough to get me hooked and the patches weren’t horrible enough to get me to give up the game, but I do not think I could start a new character and not have a bad experience with either
I really like ARR... But I'm also the mf who talks to every. single. npc. in RPGs to learn why cheese is purple in that world.... Soooooooo I get that I'm the weird one.
Id be fine with just the numbers being a different color and larger font if they are benefiting from position bonuses. But yes Monk especially can be very frustrating and especially if your tank doesnt wanna work with you. :\
I think you're overblowing the issue with pointing out people are making mistakes / not playing correctly. I've told hundreds of players tips/tricks/best practices for their jobs and I've never been in trouble for it. Granted, I *NEVER* engage in discussion, or even bother replying at all if they complain (I/E the classic "you don't pay my sub", which I've seen much less often than the internet would make you believe)
@@GarrusN7 I've seen it numerous times on both Crystal and Primal DCs, it's very obnoxious. The community is far too soft and entitled (at least on NA servers)
Unfortunately it really depends on the GM, some GMs give strikes easier than others. It also depends on the player if they want to bother typing out a report.
I really wanna get into FF14. I’ve put 44 hours into the game. Not all of it was MSQ, I have dabbled in other classes and gathering. But I’m really struggling to get through a realm reborn. I don’t mind somewhat how much story there is. But god I wish I was told it was a visual novel going into it.
The only reason i survived ARR it was cos i did with a friend back in the day. And our collective hate and fuming helped going the fuck back to Waking Sands every 5s. From HW onwards i did everything alone and it was MUAH, chef kiss. 10/10. To this day I always recomend to new players to try ARR with a friend... or a great amount of alcool
Honestly... you may try finding a story re-cap and just skipping all the cutscenes and talking, getting to HW or whatever point you want to start paying attention again, and just watch that video.
it is honestly one of the worst new player experiences in an MMO i have ever seen, and this is coming from someone who grew up on Korean MMOs, notorious for being the grindiest shit in history it's hard to place exactly what about it is so terrible, but it is not a good new player experience at all and the devs really need to take more steps to improve it besides removing a few fetch quests and giving you teleports to the waking sands
Two quick things while I'm here. 1. I pretty much skip all of the story content in FF14. The character designs are cool, the classes are cool, I don't care about the story. I just play it because it's a fun MMO. Yes, ARR sucks. 2. About the "wow players complain, so we should complain." Coming from WoW, WoW players complained until they stripped every single MMO aspect out of WoW and now it sucks. I think complaining is okay but the dev team needs to know what they need to listen to and what to ignore. The dev team for FF14 seems good though :)
I totally agree with the advice issue and people knowing how to play their class. Granted I am a sprout myself and have not mastered all the classes, but I do know the ones I regularly use, like healers. I don't mind getting advice myself when I'm playing, as long as it's polite and not like "retard player do this and that noob hurr durr" or being passive aggressive. Most people I've also encountered do not mind receiving advice, especially when it's about mechanics. Although I've not been reported or banned, there was this one instance I remember that I've tried giving advice on their class and said person refused to even learn how to use theirs. They were an AST in Noct sect, when we already have a SCH in the party. I said to them "hey AST can you switch to Diurnal so we can have regens? We alr have an SCH and shields don't stack" and they were like, "but I like Nocturnal, it's my favorite" and refused to switch. I just said "okay, you do you I guess" and that was that. However, for the rest of the raid, this person did subpar healing (benefic 1, barely using cards, Divination who?). The SCH was doing all the healing for the rest of us (easy to spot the adlo and fairy effects on our names) and basically working double-time to cover for the lack of AST contribution. It was an inconvenience since one of the healers wasn't doing much when we kept eating raid-wide attacks. Suffice to say, all comms went to the SCH lol
i think my opinion on ARR changed alot post flying. the inbetween ARR and HW bit was easily my least favorite section, but post flying i'm slowly wanting to play new game plus from the start again knowing i won't need to kill a sahagin trash mob that's been following me at every quest stop
One time, I noticed a DPS not using AOE. It was Haukke Manor and I felt certain they had one by now, so I just phrased it as a question: Do you have *X skill*? “No, I don’t.” Oh, ok then. I didn’t push it even though I felt certain. I believe they started using it 10 minutes later, so basically situations about being worried about being reported I treat as I am at a disadvantage, my lord, in your infinite wisdom doth thou have perchance skill? No milord? Pray I beg forgiveness, my apologies milord.
To be fair a LOT of classes don't get their AoE until practically end of MSQ ARR. I think Dragoon doesn't get it til 40 and Ninja is EVEN later. I was surprised when it took until like 42ish for my Warrior to get their SECOND AoE. Prior to that my job was just spamming overpower in groups...
@@luketfer >I believe they started using it 10 minutes later I don't even care if they have AoE spells or not. No one should be banned for absolute basic communication. And yes, I do have friends that got strikes for that
"That's like saying an anime series is good if half of the episodes are alright and the other half are dogshit". As a Naruto fan, that felt like a personal attack.
One of my friends I met through FF was trying to tell people, who didn't play well, what they could do to improve during roulettes. Needless to say, he got 2 strikes over the course of 2 months and has since never tried speaking with people about how they play in roulettes in fear of getting his account terminated. I find it hilarious, that even though you pay square lots of money, for subs or in game items, that all of that could vanish in seconds, just because someone decided "he can't tell me how to play". I myself usually want to help people, which I can do in my FC, however I have almost never told anyone I don't know if they did something bad as I don't wish to come closer to the point of no return.
I'm relatively new to the game, having only joined at the end of the post SB content, but I really resonate with the niceness being way overboard. I feel like I am logging into hugbox HQ and all of the emoticons make me believe I have been sucked into the worst kind of Geocities pages circa 2005. I once had a healer that wouldn't heal me consistently in the manor duty and when I called them out they told me they were sorry because they weren't used to healing without regen. When I pointed out that they just need to spam Cure I and I will stop dying they rage quit after I refused to apologize to them. I'm working on gearing for Savage raids, genuinely hope I can escape these types there.
I did a dalriada run and there were like 3 people being so toxic because it was taking a while and the people messed up calling safe spots in the hallway. There were other people trying to say "chill out, some people here are new," but left a sour taste in my mouth. It didn't help that one of them complained about not getting healing/rezzed because they didn't feel like partying up.
Personally, i enjoyed ARR, but i have to admit that yeah it was bad. The storytelling was awful, the voice acting was so lifeless and empty, most cutcenes were just awkward to watch and the content is mediocre at best. Was a big glowup from 1.0? Yes. But, lets be fair, not even Blizzard could make something as bad as ffxiv 1.0. Im a WoW player and, while i admit that the community is more rude, they're also more real. I've been kicked from dungeons when i was new for not playing well (yeah i was rlly bad lol). And that made me think "oh, i gotta get better if i want to do more highlvl content then", and so i searched guides and tips for my class. The WoW community really expect a certain level from their players. You gotta do the bare minimum, if you dont even do that, then you're out. Because no one plays to carry others. In FFXIV, a player doing the bare minimum is a surprise. It's such an issue that you cannot complain about how others play because you'll get banned, it doesnt make sense. How will the playerbase progress in terms of skill, then? I've seen people at max level now knowing what positionals are, how the raise invul works, not knowing what a stack marker is, etc. In my opinion, many times FFXIV ends up feeling more toxic. It's so damn passive aggresive. Instead of kicking someone out of a party for endgame content, you have to disband the party. Instead of saying "you're not doing DPS", you have to ask them if they know their rotation in a super nice way. I swear it feels like walking on eggshells ffs. The whole criticism is bad and everyone that tries to tell you "how to play" is toxic and elitistic. Why dont wow players have the "you dont pay my sub" argument, but ffxiv players do? because any above average player has to babysit all the rest or otherwise they're toxic. Im a mentor, and i raid. I always try to teach new players. The most common aswer? Ignoring me. The second most common answer is getting angry at me. I'm always super nice and sugarcoat everything and it makes me so mentally exhausted. And im a SCH main so you can bet ur ass that i have "strong" opinions on the state of scholar and healers in general. If i get banned for trying to teach new players, then so be it. I dont pay 10 bucks to babysit freaking adults in an online game. And the game has SO many features they should work on, but god forbid saying one bad thing about FFXIV. Jeez. That's why i like your content, man. You keep it real. It's so refreshing to hear someone with the same opinions as me lol
@@icepenguin7278 why do i have to join an FC so i get players that know the bare minimum? Im not saying everyone should be super good at their job and know every single mechanic, im just saying that at lvl 80 a certain skill/knowledge level is expected but toxic casualism is literally being the most toxic part of the community and preventing the general skill level from progressing
If anyone doesn't believe you can get in trouble for mentoring. I did, and I had my mentor crown on, and I only said 2 lines. One, standard hiya as a dungeon greeting and literally "please face the boss away from the party", and that was enough for the gmods to strike me. Even having the mentor tag on isn't enough to give out advice.
Honestly, this is why I have adapted to never speaking people in casual roulettes about anything they’re doing wrong. See my black mage being pure ice mage? No problem. My astro doesnt know how to press a single dps button? You do you. Unless its something causing wipes over and over I just dont see the point of addressing it anymore, people dont all take criticism even if its coming from a helping perspective. Savage+ content thou I feel like I will always point out if someone is doing something severely wrong, a tank that doesnt pop cds for tank busters need to be told lol. Not that everyone needs to be 99 parsers going into savage content but I feel like at least knowing how to play your class is the basics
i agree with all of this. one thing that bugs me is there is a fundamental disconnect between a long visual novel style game and the MMO aspects of the game. sitting around waiting for cutscenes is not fun for me; i play MMOs to be busy and make progress. i enjoy the non-story aspects of the game a lot but a huge percentage of the community tries to actively take away that enjoyment by saying “if you don’t enjoy the story, you don’t enjoy the game”. that’s simply not true and i wish people would cut that shit out.
Yep, I couldn't give 2 shits about the story of this game save for a few parts of HW. I think its boring, uninspired and ultimately not something that interests me. The most annoying thing are the fart smellers who try to tell me I'm too stupid to understand the game, where most of the conversations sound like the character eats a thesaurus for breakfast every morning. I'm almost sure that it's a translation issue at this point because it just sounds so forced an un natural. But I can skip cutscenes and have made a career out of ignoring idiots, so my only real issues are : 1.)Leveling gameplay is mind numbingly boring; It just takes far too long to get interesting spells and if i wasn't playing with friends i'd have quit by level 30. 2.) Leveling alternate jobs feels like you are going through a disconnected checklist of systems, it doesn't take long it's just not particularly engaging. 3)Endgame is a bit stale, but that is mostly a community issue. Non current content even scaled down is rlly not that challenging, and the % of players that do engage in challenging content is in my experience very, very tiny... I swear if I join another FC and they invite me to a house party as an event I'mma kick someones ass :D 4) ERP--- is fucking everywhere, in public, in every city... i don't care what u do, if it helps u get off fine ... but for the love of god you don't have to subject the rest of us to it.... How this prevails in a game that will sanction you because someone took your criticism wrong is beyond me. K bye...
@@AlterEgoX7 Like, there are some very interesting classes, in the game, some very fun encounters ,and I do enjoy playing it but the community is full of religious zealots that think FF14 is their life, If you think you've seen weirdos inMMOS... you aint seen nothing yet
While I generally agree that the FF14 community is "less toxic" than comparable communities (WoW I guess is the most noteworthy), FF14 also suffers a bit from something that WoW has struggled with for years, and that's a thing I'm going to call "toxic casualism". You mention it a little in this video, but I think that combined with the inherent risk of getting a strike or banned for so much as suggesting that another player use ability X, is frankly ridiculous.
wows community is not more toxic, its more real, you wont get banned for kicking a player or telling them they are trash. At the end of the day, as a PvEr i want to clear hard end content, not carry anyone that joins my raids
@@martinalegre5524 thats true, in WOW i can trade blows with some melee in partyfinder. He calls my tanking shit, i link his parse, we call each other a dick. In FF14 we would both be banned. Meanwhile RMT is running rampant
I agree it's important to give criticism where it's due. Like the housing system. Every time I mention it's flaws I essentially get "it could be a lot worse." Since when did something not being as bad as it could be become the golden standard for content. Trying to get a house In game rn is worse than getting one In real life. We shouldn't settle for mediocre.
ah, i'd always wonder why no one told me to stop using doton when i was going through stromblood. it was only after i watched a rotation guide that i seen its not used except for pre pulls
I think he's wrong about that one aspect the more likely situation is that they simply didn't care to explain it or notice. I've told ppl they were fucking up numerous times and haven't spoken to a single gm about it.
@@Roymoney1998 i told a BLM to use aoe and like 2 hours later i was contacted by GM for hate speach lol. After that i never gave any advice in this game and 70% of content i run with my FC.
@@octaviusa7035 Jesus man that's fuckin ridiculous maybe I'm just lucky. I did something similar to an RDM just last week and didn't get any type of recourse from GMs
@@Roymoney1998 Same, but that has been changing in recent years. I have a couple of friends that refuse to even chat anymore because they are 1 strike away from having no account anymore
I started learning alot more to do with combat after being around friends in game for a little while as ofc you're more comfortable around eachother and its highly unlikely you'll report one another for bad advice, probably would come off as a joke if it's dumb advice anyway, where it may not with a random. Tldr: you'll learn more once you get friends/static/guildmates
Literally the realest dude in the community. I get tired of literally everyone handwaving everything wrong with the game because a lot of the long-term community is still riding on the whole 'it's so much better than 1.0' thing. It isn't bad, but there's a lot of issues. Personally, I'm iffy about the lack of high-end content, and I feel like no one talks about how literally every single dungeon in the game is just the exact same one dungeon reskinned 80 times. Every new dungeon in the new expansion is going to be three bosses with 3-5 packs of mobs inbetween but I feel like no one really talks about that and whenever I bring it up people seem to hate the idea of ever doing anything different.
THIS. Dungeons got sneakily cut out of the game it seems, with the one alibi insert string of rooms with boss. Kinda disgusting of the dev team tbh, dungeons are a CORE part of MMO's and they sneakily reduced effort...
This is mostly because loads of people have to run stuff like Aurum Vale, Haukke Manor, Temple of Qarn, Thousand Maws and Wanderer's Palace in the early game over and over and over with every new combat job they decide to level and very quickly realize that the added aspects to these dungeons that make them more complicated do not in fact make them more fun. I think the majority of the playerbase is content with the majority of complex mechanics being in bosses, especially Trials, and to a lesser extent in Raids - the game is clearly stronger there than elsewhere.
I think the biggest Problem with the ARR content is that while its a good story that does amazing worldbuilding for the rest of the expansions it is objectively a terrible game. If 80%+ of your 60h of "gameplay" in an MMO is running from one npc to the next while listening to dialouge you get absolutely no say in, with only the rest actually requiring you to play your character and even then only minimally then you are not playing a game, you are watching a slightly interactive cutscene. This is also how we get people who have been playing the game for hundreds of hours while barely being able to play their jobs because nothing gets properly explained ingame and there is very little reason to actually learn to play beyond the very basics required to bowl over some quest mobs and get carried through the occasional dungeon or trial.
i find it funny, that i'm being told, not to skip the story and take my time, all content is important and no need to rush to end game its a great story. ... while at the same time, being told its boring and a pain till you hit level 60.. LMAO the double talk i see from the FF14 community is so bad, like saying ff14 community is not toxic, but yet they attack anyone with a hint negativity, . and i have meet and seen tons of very toxic players in ff14 no different then any other mmo iv played in...
It's hardly double speak. You are expected to understand that most people consider ARR bad and that the skill distribution is seriously fucked, but it does ultimately all get better. You are also expected to understand that ARR is such a fundamental part of the game that you shouldn't rush through it or skip past it. It is an acknowledgement and acceptance of the game's flaws with compromise to how putting up with these flaws pays off. It also doesn't do to just rush to endgame since while there is plenty of side-stuff to do a new player is likely to fall into the gear-treadmill trap and promptly unsub until new content comes out. Something Yoshi P actually advocates for btw. In short it's not double-speak because we know ARR is largely. but not entirely, bad, but we do also want you to stick with it since it does pay dividends. About the community though? Yeah, that's double-speak. The nuance there though is what Chair touched on in the video. Everyone is generally very nice and there's a lot of genuinely nice and helpful people. There's also a lot of assholes. And a lot of overlap as some people can be clearly insincere with their politeness. It has the same wretched stink of when you see people arguing online and one of them says something like "But hey we all have opinions and it's okay that we disagree :)." This is very true, but I also find it nauseating. Some people say it genuinely, but hey we all have opinions and it's okay that we disagree :). But the truly sickening ones are the ones that say it just to seem like they are acting mature and adult and reasonable. That is the type of genuine sincerity and gross insincerity you see in XIV.
I liked lvl 50 ARR story. But maybe it was because I came when HW just got out and decided getting into it after I had my zeta weapon, so maybe story quest time was just a deliverance to the atma and alexandrite grind, not counting the amount of gil I had to generate as a not even lvl 50 gatherer for materia. So yeah, maybe I have a few screws loose...
Coming from WoW, I remember every single time I complained the UI could be better by just being more responsive and intuitive to people, particularly around inventory management, I'd get smileyfaced lectured about how much better the devs are then any other game and how I should just lick it up and be grateful, basically "everything is fine, you must just be dumb so shut up" but with a nice little bow. This community isn't "bad" but the idea its perfect and the game oh-so-flawless is ridiculous and falls right into the trap of what toxic positivity is defined as far more than it needs to be.
Gimme BLU ultimates. It couldn't cost them too much effort, could it? If players are worried it cheapens their efforts, just make it award a different achievement and not drop a weapon token or something I've never been banned for giving unrequested advice to people about their rotations. At worst, I piss them and the group off with just the suggestion and I get kicked, but at best they're grateful and end up having more fun with the game, so it's a worthwhile risk to me. Has anyone seriously been banned for this without referencing a third party addon or being insulting/using foul aggressive language/actively impeding duty progression?
This sounds super similar to ESO. In ESO, whenever PVPers would express how displeased they are about the lack of attention pvp content was getting and all the bugs and broken aspects of pvp...all the PVE'ers would condemn the PVPers and call them crybabies and tell them stfu. Then eventually the PVE'ers got screwed with update 35 and started to complain about how bad the game got for PVE content lol. Karma is a beach.
So, I've developed a Technique that has allowed me to give TONS of advice to Randoms over the years, without fear or Strikes or Bans. Every instance I queue into, I start off with a very friendly greeting. (To show that I'm a swell dude, before we ever play together) And if I notice that the Black Mage seems to like ice a bit too much I ask "Hey MrFreeze! Are you open to some pointers or advice? :D" (EMOTICONS are BiS!!) I'd say 80% of the time, I get a "Sure" 15% of the time, I get a "No thank you." and 5% I get ... nothing. If they're open to it, I invite them to have a chat at the end. And if they say "No" Then I say "Ok!" and proceed to go "UUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH" all throughout Mt Gulg. And though I think it's rude as hell to queue into Content without a basic understanding of what you're doing, I also accept the reality that I am actively making the choice to play with randoms. And when you roll the dice, sometimes it lands on one.. All in all, as long as you don't say anything that can be INTERPRETED as "being a Dick", you won't get punished. It's VERY easy to come off as an asshole over text. Intended or not. So whenever I cross that bridge, I take EXTRA care to make sure my good/friendly intentions are clear! I understand that the need to "tip toe" like this can be annoying. But to be honest, I'd rather have this, than having a community where Racial/Homophobic Slurs and CONSTANT Harassment runs Rampant, and is normalized,
When I play with sprouts I tend to give pointers on how they can improve if needed. If they tell me they don't care, fine. No point in arguing with those people. This is the first i hear of people getting strikes and/or banned for trying to help people. Is that really a thing and should I seriously start being careful when doing that? Because if that's the case, it's ridiculous.
I'm like 1/4 through HW and i think this is my 3rd time trying to get into the game but just cant. I've tried a few classes but they all feel like they're missing major abilities that i know will be there at 80 and feel better to play but why do i have to spend 100 hours on the game before the actual gameplay gets good? The races are also all too similar and not unique like many other fantasy mmorpgs. Armors look great, the game as a whole is definitely pretty especially for its age. Ultimately though i play a game for its gameplay if the reactions on screen correlate well with my keypresses I'm having a good time, FF14 lacks that imo so its just not for me, at least i tried giving it a fair shake.
ffxiv is less of an mmo and more of a jrpg that happens to be online. the reason why the races are all so similar is because theyre primarily for aesthetic and roleplay purposes. and.... yeah. levelling a class to 80 sucks but every mmo has that.
ARR is genuinely not that bad for the most part, it feels dated sure but it's just bog standard mmo gameplay at low levels with some necessary world building. What DOES suck is the post 50 ARR stuff that's required to get to the next expansion, that HAS to be trimmed down or removed.
If you remove it then the entrance to HW wont be impactful and theyve already trimmed it down by cutting out like 20 quests and made it faster and tolerable by adding flying to post arr.
I dunno, I've found the post-50 ARR stuff to be significantly more engaging (story-wise) than a good chunk of ARR itself. I haven't found a single thing in Post-ARR that has yet to infuriate me as much as the Company of Heroes Arc pre-Titan.
I find its really fucked up that the reason people don't even try to help someone is how oppressive the report system is, and yet no one seems to notice the problem.
It doesn't really match with my experience it's completely fine to give advice and teach people how to play the game, and if you get reported for giving tips/asking them to do something better, typically the GMs back you up. It's only if you're an asshole about it that the GMs crack down on you.
@@oromain Unfortunately that's not the case. The GMs function independently of each other and will at times give you a strike even for giving advice, simply because that's what the GM decides to do. There's a reason mentors don't actually mentor, and everyone keeps their mouth shut. People have been banned over the smallest things, even as much as mentioning melee dps have positionals, or healers also have dps skills.
I give advice during ex or savage. I dont give advice during normal unless I HAVE to (play without keyboard so typing takes time on controller), not out of fear but generally you can clear without a problem. Shitty dps no worries I'll carry. Tank HAS to have tank stance on or I dont move and advise (I have left do to them not turning it on). Healer i just die inside. Other than that majority of the time it's not that serious. But yea not advising has 0 bearing on fear of reporting. Also reporting is a major pain so dont see anyone actually do it. Unless you completely out of line like saying kys or cursing and calling names. Those are unacceptable anyways.
@@kylaniharinaeki5719 I constantly hear people say this but I've never seen evidence of it happening. When someone talks about getting reprimanded or banned for giving advice, they never show anything to indicate it wasn't their behavior while doing so that got them in trouble. I have not seen a single instance in where someone clearly shown to be politely giving advice has been reprimanded in FFXIV. And I've been playing for 7 years.
@@jtiller1223 You'd be surprised how much people go out of their way to be assholes. Usually you will be fine if you're polite, especially in EX or Savage, but I've had expert roulettes with players who do so little damage, I either run out of mitigation, or I go out of mana on healer, or have had circumstances where a NEW Scholar tried to tell me that "Aetherflow is an emergency ability," and proceeded to spam adlo and nearly let me die while doing single pack mob pulls. No faerie either. I tried to be polite and just gently mention a few abilities because they were genuinely struggling and I just wanted to get out of there, but they were straight up ready to report me if I said anything more.
I came from League, CSGO, and WoW, so I’m used to straight up toxicity. FFXIV tends not to have people who are straight up mean, but theres a looooot of passive aggressive stuff with a lot of players.
Man, I just started playing this game. And I don't think I will survive past level 20. It is the most boring start of a game I have ever seen. I regret I paid for it before I tested, but how could the top mmorpg of 2023 be nothing but fantastic? Well, it is deadly dull, maybe it will be good later. But I don't think I can inflict more boreness upon myself.
Don't play it anymore i got trapped in by friends who fed me "it gets better after x" line and unfortunately i did not snap out of until i have over 100 hours into the game which is only around the end of the first expansion and no it did not get much better.
Im suffering the same thing. @@chrisrawr6177 while there are still some enjoyable aspects...just doing the MSQ is really quite boring. I finally entered Heavensward recently after A Realm Reboring and Im still falling asleep while playing FF14's MSQ. It feels like playing a solo player game but online...there is hardly any meaningful social interactions on this game for me. I think what personally draws me into sticking with MMORPGs is the fact that you can engage in chats with people n people r socializing. The only socializing I see is often through FC chat and Novice Chat...I never see actual socializing happen in /say chat where people just stand around doing nothing but go afk at main city's aetheryte crytal plaza lol. I think the social chat bubbles would be a step in the right direction like how u see on Playstation Home...and even if it gets crazy it is still better than nothing.
"Where jobs are not super hard to pick up, but still have room for skill expression." I'm a little jaded after so long, but looking back at this video, my opinion is that statement no longer holds up. healers and tanks feel like the spider-man pointing meme to me now.
By the time I started playing, shadowbringers was already out. I hated ARR patches so much that the only reason I didn’t quit was that I was determined to unlock dark knight, which was locked behind said ARR content
Yeah, the whole "staying quiet because you can get slapped for like, anything" thing hits hard. The *only* players you will find who will mention if you're doing something blatantly wrong is new players who haven't yet basically been pushed into "be silent or you're gonna get shit on, and possibly have to deal with GMs" Which, from all I've seen, won't tell you what you did wrong and will not give you *any* room to explain your side of it. I've been grinding mentor roulette lately because I think it's fun to be able to go into just any content and also I want that mount, sue me, and within under 100 duties I had so many bad experiences when trying to help people not doing *ANYTHING* remotely helpful to the party that I no longer have any motivation to speak because even if my role is supposed to be to "mentor" players who aren't doing things even remotely correctly, everything about the game discourages actually doing that. It's a miracle I haven't been sent to GM jail yet for telling people (especially tanks, many of which would have me holding all but 1 enemy's aggro "Yo, when there's 3 or more enemies, you should use your AOE skills for damage and to hold aggro" I think one of the biggest failings of this game is the fact that there's nothing you can say once in GM jail to A. Learn what you even did wrong, or B. Defend yourself. Why, for any reason, would I explain how the tank could easily wall-to-wall pull and have no issues with it, when that could get me punished without me even knowing what I did? Why would I not just pull the extra pack myself, stay silent, and essentially follow the rule of "I can play how I want and grabbing more enemies despite being a DPS is how I want to play"? Or even, "why bother telling the tank to use their aoes so I'm not holding 3/4ths of the starting pack in Mt. Gulg as a SAM?" Why not just finish that pack, and immediately cut my losses and leave? There is no incentive with the current system the game has in place for supporting outright harmful levels of misunderstanding of one's role, to *ever* try to tell someone how they could improve. The easier thing is to either stay silent and let the duty take 10-20 more minutes, or just leave, because both of those will not risk you getting punished I even feel like the more toxic option of being a silent asshole to get through stuff faster is better than being vocally nice and encouraging people to do better
Granted, i don't play high end content as of yet, but i found most people i've met to be very supportful and whilling to teach and help. Of course there's always exceptions...
I've watched this video in it's entirety and I agree with you except for the getting banned thing . I constantly correct healers and mostly white mage for not using holy. Of course I'm not an ass about it though and that what I think makes the difference. If someone complains about getting banned for helping people I'm just gonna assume it was because they were being an ass about it.
I do this too and I've never gotten flak from it. I think you just have to make sure you don't sound like you're privy to esoteric knowledge of your party's damage output through the use of illegal number crunching applications
They are allowed to be an ass about it, you shouldn't be forced act "positive" when playing a game, people have bad days and play games to vent, it has always been part of the experience. Nowadays though, you get strikes over anything. Got a friend that got a strike for posting an hello macro at the start of a dungeon. Another one because "they didn't support Pride Month in Limsa" Things are getting retarded, specially for a game that you pay a subscription to play
@@ich3730 Is he wrong tho, if you be an ass while giving advice expect some drama to come your way for it, thats always been the nature of the internet. "Talk sh-t get hit" as the saying goes online, this isnt some exclusive 14 problem.
@@ich3730 It's funny that everyone that complains about the community being bad happens to be a toxic asshole like yourself or this "B" guy in the comments, just play WoW and you'll find plenty of people like yourself.
The only controversial thing that I saw in your video was you playing with full party effects when doing alliance raids, what the hell man.
I play with full party effects in alliances raids AND Ultimate content
The only controversial thing I saw was missing positionals in UCOB
What's full party effects? the visual game effects?
@@blazeburner4039 You can adjust in them in your UI and turn off or limit your party's spell effects so you don't get a splitting headache.
If you play with em the whole time, you get used to em
I just want a glamor log. No more caps on my glamor, once I get it, I want it forever.
Agreed! While I appreciate the glamour dresser, its a bit frustrating sometimes when I go to put something in it, realize I forgot to repair it, then have to load out of the inn room, run all the way to a repair vendor, and run back just to put it in the dresser. I also dread the day that I hit that 400 item cap in the dresser and have to start clearing stuff out of it.
Glamour log + lifting class restrictions on gear for glamour would be amazing.
@@StarlitSoryn Class restrictions are good IMO. I like that the jobs have a visual identity. They should basically lift the collections/transmog system from WoW though. It's one of the few things that WoW does better.
@@mosley3485 I can agree with this for the most part. Though certain gear pieces are just recolors depending on the class. If they could make that distinction somehow, I'd like to see these restrictions lifted. (For example, the gear sets from Shisui of the Violet Tides)
@@StarlitSoryn Ive already hit the 400 limit and Ive only just reached Stormblood... It makes me sad when I find something new I really like but know Im gonna have to boot something else out. :(
@@Calvados656 I didn't figure out glamor UNITL stormblood.
"I don't put thousands of hours into something out of spite, otherwise I would still be a software engineer", oh man that strung a chord.
Yeah, as I progress into my final years of study, Im questioning to myself, "Do I really want to do this shit for the foreseeable future?". I'll see where the wind takes me 🙃
@@RedzeeTV I took up data science, and higher order programming as a result.
Never been happier.
I think that line resonates really hard with WoW players
I think total potency in parenthesis for DoTs and HoTs would go a long way to help people learn things like "doton single target = bad"
While I agree, I don’t get why multiplication is so hard. Potency in general is just so much better than wow tooltips, where it’s like “welp, need a target dummy to know how much this will actually do”
I mean, it did used to do more damage over its duration than a Raiton, but yeah, i agree.
Well, not the best example since if we just go by potency, doton does more than raiton.
@@Efryon they have the same end potency except doton is a dot so will do the same dps only if the boss is in it for 24 seconds but it costs an extra mudra cast to use and misses trick buff for most of it so thats why its bad
having a DoT total potency would help, but it could also lead to some confusion still, since Doton is still used on single target boss fights due to having a free use in the opener. It would still help a ton tho, yes
game doesn't need to be easier, it just needs better tutorialisation of class mechanics (or at the very least fixing some wack tooltips and giving some better feedback on certain skills) it's far too easy to ignore so many class mechanics for the majority of content, and that is certainly dragging a lot of people down.
As a brazilian player, lightning reflexes needed to avoid mechanics also mean people around the world with 200ms like me just can't do that content, period, if they are OTK abilities. Something to consider.
@@Tentacl I can't say i've ever seen a mechanic like that myself that wasn't telegraphed way ahead of time, but then again I could just be forgetting it (I do have 150+ ping myself most days, as my area has awful connection for some reason, despite being in the UK, fairly sure that's an ISP issue though). however that's not so much a difficulty issue, and more to do with their server locations (they're adding new data centers with time, so I hope you get one in your "region" soon.)
The amount of 1% gain buttons that could be merged for a more meaningfull buttonpress tho.
I think the game is already too easy. why? because you can make 90 % of the content without barely knowing what your skills do and how they work. Sure there is a small percentage of gameplay that you need to train months if not years to get it done, but that's a small part of the game. That doesn't makes the game hard, the game is just easy with a small part really hard.
@@Tentacl I don't think any game should be balanced around the assumption that people have a bad connection/live far away from the datacenters. If the game difficulty was balanced around 200ms, what would be there to do for people with lower ping?
If you have technical difficulties or play a game that doesn't have local servers, it's on you to accept the reality and decide if it's something you want to deal with
Hey Hey people, Thordan Ultimate he-
One day, it WILL happen.
Oh man I'll take it as an Unreal. Thordan was the cat's tits
Pizza hands
The Dragonsong War Ultimate launching in 6.1 might have thordan
Sseth is here to take from the merchant's guild
Yo, as someone who is pretty hardcore this video hit home, the constant like cult-like worship of the dev team is fucking absurd and I hope more people see this vid, asking for more content shouldn't be just for Mahjong, but also for people who are dedicated and enjoy the game as a challenge
Seeing Shinryu Normal get walked back in difficulty was depressing
"That's like saying an anime is good if half the episodes are alright and the other half is dog-shit".
Dude, I see soooo many animes where this applies and people still tells me it's good. An anime (that I won't name) I actively quit about 200 episodes in because of a 20 episode fight that showed itself to be pointless and people still tell me I should tough it out.
Perception is an issue though - ARR is good *compared to other MMO plots*. Other MMO's have set the bar so low that it's god-tier by comparison.
>it took him 200 episodes
fucking lmfao
i dropped one piece there too until I realized foxy pirates is filler and you can literally skip that entire section and jump into water 7
imagine getting filtered by foxy pirates lmao
(I find that the manga is generally better than the anime though)
@@Vifts ye I skipped all the filler shit. God I just realized there's going to be a filler arc after wano. Shit
If you're talking about One Piece then it sounds like the Foxy Pirates and the Davey Back Fight. An inherently shit arc and one that makes me genuinely question wtf Oda was thinking. I assume he was stalling for time to finish storyboarding Water 7. When showing OP to a friend I intend to skip that arc entirely since it doesn't matter, affects nothing, and is infuriating to sit through, not that I ever did.
If I'm correct then understand that you are past the worst of One Piece and into pure kino territory. I must also recommend One Pace. A fan project that seeks to adapt the anime to be much closer to the manga in content and pacing. It is nearly required as you get deeper in and the producers start stretching episodes out further and further than you could ever imagine. They aren't done with Water 7 yet, but aside from an annoying hiccup towards the end of that arc it doesn't need it that badly. Everything thereafter is paced.
If I am wrong and you are talking about another big and long-winded anime then understand that Naruto, Naruto Shippuden, and Bleach all have filler episodes around the 200 mark. One Piece too actually. You should acquaint yourself with Anime Filler List to see what's filler or "anime canon" before you waste your time watching nonsense. Fun Fact: Naruto episodes 1-100something has only a little filler here and there before it becomes entirely filler until the final episode, 200. If I was wrong and your friends were having you watch Naruto then understand you just watched 80ish episodes of fucking nothing.
For as shit as it was, ARR was still enough general worldbuilding to keep me ticking over. I'm also absolutely certain that if the localisation team didn't write everyone in various British regional casual dialects and somewhat archaic English I would have lost interest within a few hours. I am constructing a shrine to Koji Fox as we speak
The ARR story was absolutely amazing. Its the entire reason the rest of the game stands up as it does. Most of the ARR issues werent ARR issues, moreso post ARR pre HW.
The problem with ARR is that the story is incredibly boring up until you reach about halfway through it, when the Scions are forced to relocate. From that point forward the story just keeps getting better.
ARR would actually have been significantly better without Koji since the best part (Coerthas) wouldn't have been butchered. Granted though that wasn't Koji's call, he was bound to his corporate overlords, and he's apologized since then (but still hasn't updated it)
@@MistaHoward what's the difference in the coerthas localization, aside from haurchefant not being so horny?
Aight mate, i expect pics of your Koji Fox shrine before the end of the day.
A Realm Reborn is basically just extended tutorial.
Agreed. It was designed to teach people who have _never_ seen an MMO before how they work while trying to provide an rpg experience. For MMO vets, it's hair pulling boring. For someone who is actually new, it is informative.
"extended tutorial" should not last 100h. It is beyond insane people are defending this shit.
BEYOND INSANE
A realm reborn was my first experience with ff14. And it left such a strong negative impression that im scared to play it again to re-experience the same boredom again
@@CommandoBlack123 the whole story is like that. Infinite dumb text that serves no real purpose than to pad the thin story content to 400h. Teleporting back and forth, standing around, hunting pixels and endlessly talking to unvoic d characters as they use you as a pawn.
Excessively extended. I’m taking way too long to finish it because it’s just boring
If you don't critizice what is really wrong and people all praise the game, the game will just become lazy and the game bad
It already has
It's insane to me that they have been scaling back content since ARR so hard and no one seems to care
I mean at least we got Fishing Trawler and more Mahjong updates though
As my FSG always said "Complaining is a GOOD thing, when your people stop complaining, it means they've lost all faith and trust in you"
Just look at relic weapons
Or as we learned from WoW when the devs dont listen to you when you criticize the game and stubbornly dig in their heels until everyone just gives up on them and leaves lol.
That first Hildibrand quest after you finish the main story is such a breath of fresh air. I was honestly confused about having fun when I did it.
That quest line is absolutely hilarious but sadly it suffers from ARR syndrome in that it just sticks around for too long and has too much traveling back and forth. I feel like it starts out staying its welcome after the Gilgamesh storyline ends.
I'm pretty happy with the difficulty of normal mode content. Maybe it could be a touch harder, but whatever. And as a DRG main, I like the positionals. DRG would be very boring to play without them. But I don't want to go back to Heavy Swing and basically being a spear version of monk. We're in a good spot, and I hope that doesn't change.
Yup, the harder parts of normal difficulty are pretty much perfect for my taste. On some occasions, the difficulty just drops weirdly tho. I did the first three parts of the Eden raids so far and was too disappointed by how easily we cleared. Some of the older content could use a max iLvl adjustment too.
5:58 excellent timing of the sentence with 6 people getting cleaved by the tb
i noticed that too lmao
As a person that loves the story of ARR, one massive gripe I have with it is the dialogue, like good lord it's like the writer just discovered Shakespeare and only read one line...
Combine that with the sub par voice acting and it feels like I'm listening through a highschool play
As it goes on you really do start to pick up that some characters lean more into it than others, like the city leaders for example. Urianger is eccentric even by his own country's standards, and even his own companions find it a bit too much at times. The majority of folks only dabble in that kind of speech, and some eschew it completely. It gives a certain amount of variety to the world, which I kind of appreciate - everyone speaking in the exact same way has always been something that's thrown me off in stories.
I have to say though, I think many of the voices fit quite well. In particular, Alphinaud's. He actually sounds like a teenager trying way too hard to be an adult, which is actually what he is. Granted, he's exceedingly competent at that, and it makes sense because of where he hails from and who his family is, but still, for me, the character and the voice match well.
I've listened to Alphinaud's voice from later content, and it has too much of a youthful energy to me. I end up thinking more 9S from Nier: Automata than my image of Alphinaud.
@@oriondezagrats4228 I agree with your case with Alphinaud since one of his VA is Sam Reigel and his performance was phenomenal
Also when I said subpar voice acting, I might've been only thinking about Raubahn. No offense to his VA but to me, his voice sounded very monotone... Like that one time he said confound it all in that one certain war scene? It sounded like it lacked emotion to me.
Plus I cannot deny that some scenes in quest lines that would greatly benefit from voice acting (i.e. The Crystal Tower quest line and the Manderville quest line)
I can't add much to my case since I'm still doing Heavensward (though seems to me that it's already delivering on the voice acting department)
ARR had it awesome parts and its boring parts. I did not find it tough to get through though. And yes I am one of those people who watch every single cutscene....
It's a bit weird, but at least for me it was kinda refreshing to at least get a *different* flavor of bad anime dub, and that carried me through a lot of the ARR jank.
@@whistlerdan7718 I didn't mind Raubahn but Cids voice acting was fucking terrible, horribly stilted, underacted and monotone, thankfully once your past ARR the only time you ever hear it again is in MSQ roulette.
By constrat Merlwybb's ARR voice was amazing and her current voice just lacks character.
5:57 "If you choose a garbage playstyle..."
*six people get killed by a single laser beam*
"You are a problem."
Idk if that was intentional but that was great lmao
First real video off FFXIV I've seen, everything is so fucking snowflakey and gated by flowers and lolipops where you're not allowed to say a god damn thing about the game in a negative manner. Everyone and their mother praises the FFXIV community like its heaven on earth but I feel like they're all in a huge ass vacuum where they're only allowed to say good shit about the community where as I've experienced some of the most "casual toxicity" in this game I've never seen before.
You're a godsent for trying to make the ppl of ffxiv community realise how actually SHITTY it is when its taken out of their vacuum
I agree with half of the stuff you say, but the other half I'm actually shocked to know it even exists. I mean... I play this game for YEARS and I NEVER seen anyone complaining about Normal Mode shit being hard.
Titania Normal is what people complain about. It's kinda tough due to all the mechanics.
@@PKDeviluke25 Still... maybe it was just a response to the new expansion's hurdles. It was the first Shb trial afterall and many were new to the game (FFXIV popped the F off with Shadowbringers). If it was just Titania and justback in 2019, then yea, I can see that happening. Not as a recurring or annoying thing though.
@@Liendros Also Innocence people struggle with understanding his mechanics. Like ShB normal trials in general are actually well balanced is that people dont research the fights beforehand because they like going in blind or some other reason, though most of the time they mention in chat its their first time so people dont get too upset about it. People that complain are the ones that happen to be in a group of mostly newbies for these trials and they just wipe constantly. I was in a really bad Titania group that wiped constantly when her adds spawn (mustardseed and the other two).
@@PKDeviluke25 I figured it would have been SOS normal. That button click failing for everyone if it fails for one is a little rough lol.
@@PKDeviluke25 There's no difficult mechanic in Titania normal.
It's because it has a dps check on the ads and people don't know how to dps. As far as I've been able to tell it's the ONLY required normal mode trial with a dps check (Unless we're counting ifrit nails that I swear just kill themselves, lol). And people who just can't dps will get stuck there if enough of them are in one group.
Since a game is great does not make it excluded from criticism. Period.
I didnt hear any criticism. All i heard was an opinion.
@@Tiklmeelmo here comes the denial again....
I don't think the game is great, missions are boring as fuck, there is barely any voice acting, combat is boring, so far i'm not enjoying the game at all.
i have to fucking read all the dialogue, but still the characters have like mouth physics as if they are talking, like make up your mind game, if you dont have voice acting, why the fuck are the mouths even moving....
@@doctorgonzo7777 the quests are definitely boring if you just want to get through them. (and there's a lot of them you have to do) the mouths moving with no voice definitely can be an annoyance too. Depending on how far you are though the combat does pick up. But if you're not having a good time. Just move on to another game. I do think the "late game" is good, but, the time it takes to get there with the possibility of you not enjoying yourself is just not worth it.
@@XxCrazyKookyxX i mean i started the game with the intention to pay attention to the whole story line, but the game has already managed to get me so annoyed with all the dialogue you have to read with 0 voice acting. that now i dont read any of it i just click past everything.
i litterally started playing today and i think i might not ever play it again after today either.
if a game cant even get me to pay attention to the story, there is no reason for me to play anymore
TL:DW
People aren't clones, not everyone thinks the same, all people are capable of being pricks, there's always room for improvement.
As a Healer/tank who actually watches guides and try to at least improve the bare minimum I really enjoy watching people get rekt on shadowbringers because "taking the game seriously is not having fun" Have fun being dead most of the leveling dungeon.
PD: yes I will adjust to smaller pulls or change to less dps to heal more but there are times when that ranged dps just doesn't evade AoEs in single pulls or the tank who doesn't know mitigations at lvl 72
Its funny because you shouldn't even need guides to do well in ShB story. Most of the mechanics are either obvious or recurring.
This right here is how I ended up playing tank. Got tired of seeing the tank die too many times. Then I ended up really enjoying it and play from HW and up as a drk
It's funny how you really dunked on ARR when I keep seeing these first time WoW players post videos about how much they liked it...I can't tell if it's horrible or amazing lmfao.
i never played wow, but
ARR (patches 2.0 to 2.55 of the MSQ, but I feel the worst part to be 2.1 onward, about 80 missions) devolves into being an infinite slog of fetch quests occasionally interrupted by a dungeon (or a trial, which is literally a 5 minutes fight), all while constricted into a somewhat small region
While at the beginning it is fine (alternating fighting and fetch quests while exploring the various regions, all the while introducing the various classes) some flaws immediately pop up, like you getting a mount about a third through the MSQ, after you travelled the world several times on foot.
The latter part of 2.0 (including the last 2 dungeons) and at least 2.1 and 2.2 (because I only played that far, yet) are instead 99% fetch quests.
There's a part where you have to enter a village.
After several hours (from 2PM to 6PM) of going up and down the same stretch of land and an amount of cutscenes, the solution is "fuck it, I'm going in on my own", so you do and it works.
The last 2 dungeons are interrupted every couple minutes by cutscenes longer than the gameplay.
The post story (2.1 onward) is 99% "go to place, talk to guy, cutscene". (There's a technical reason for this, but I'd rather have no game than this kind of pace)
The story itself is enjoyable, if you cut out the fluff, but the way it's presented makes me want to end myself, especially if you are (like me) in the position of having to binge it all at once to get to what's chanted as "the good part". Hoping for it to be actually there, obv.
So yeah, it's a good story, horrible presentation.
I am first time player who played WoW before.... I will be hornest. I'm currently at the point where you join Grand Company - and the MSQ is borring as hell....it's a walking simulator. There have been some dungeons to spice things up, but the rest of the game is walking and reading text. I have been pushing forward because I believe I'll get the mount soon - to make walking part more barable - but every time I think ... "right! mount time!" ... the mount slips further and further ahead.... I finaly got the "My litle Chocobo" quest but now I need some company seals ... argh! It's always something! I feel like Hudson Hawk, trying to get his cappuccino xD
But overall? - I played worse games. That's why I think some people like ARR - I get it. Because most MMO's specialy old ones were much worse than this. There's atleast something to do besides questing - like PvP or hunting .... or just messing with people in Limsa Lominsa. Is it better than vanila WoW ?... I will be hornest again - not for me. But for a lot of people it is.
@@Member_zero you're almost there, bud
The seals are given by either the next msq mission or an extra mission given to you right beside where you sign up to the company
Through the continuation of the msq you're going to get mount speed increases in various areas, vital to cross the map even faster (also remember to abuse the teleport, the fee is nothing)
Lastly, I'd suggest you go to Central shroud ASAP and complete my feisty little chocobo too, it'll do wonders
@@MrMe917 Ye maybe later on when I get more gil, it won't seem that way but man ... teleport fee is a robbery! I was walking the whole time just to save some gil ... 300+ gil as these travels cost some times ... I could get an armor or an axe for that money!
I was actualy contemplating skipping on airship cost and walk from Limsa Lominsa to Gridania ... 120gil + I would get to see the world! But it seemed far.
I would not be surprised if in the future they add a sotryline how these NPC's conspire to scam players out of their gil - the quest givers deliberately give you quest to walk great distance and entice the players to spend for airship and teleport. Which mark up the price to the sky. Then they split the profits.
@@Member_zero You may be right, since I like crafting I never bought equipment and always mined manually, and that may have allowed me to save a higher amount of money
On a sidenote, while you can walk from Gridania to Ul'Dah (and the rest of the ARR map), you can't get to Limsa on foot, as La Noscea is an island.
The game definitely needs a better tutorial. There is so much shit that is looked over and will only give you a tutorial if you accidentally stumble upon it. I walked everywhere to level 50 because I didn't know I could go get a chocobo at 30
God I love when my favourite abnormally designed seat puts out a video
Ive definitely seen first hand people threaten to report when someone tries to give advice and ive only been playing for like a month and a half. Its almost like a lot of people in the player base cant differentiate between constructive criticism and negative criticism. Im if doin something wrong id like someone to tell me im doing something wrong so I dont keep making the same dumb mistake over and over again
@Dizzy Gear i could see that. Like people shouldn't be douche bags to eachother, but at the same time words are just words. If someone's being a prick just try to work it out, and if they continue to be a dick just tell em to fuck off and finish the instance so you can go back to playing the game. People just seem to get butt hurt easily. I havent seen much political talk yet, but a huge portion of the internet seems to think they have a political science degree so I wouldn't be surprised if it has a large presence in the community. I miss when people on all sides of the political spectrum knew to keep politics and entertainment separate.
@Dizzy Gear May I ask what DC/server you’re on, out of curiosity? I’ve just personally never seen this kind of behavior.
@Dizzy Gear I literally just haven't come accross any of that personally. Never even came across any of those antics on Crystal and I was there for 4-5 years maybe I'm just lucky
@Dizzy Gear never had this issue on JP servers. Everyone's friendly and almost everyone is competent from what I've seen.
@@Roymoney1998 irt the ‘political correctness’ rant, i kind of get the feeling he was saying stuff he shouldnt say or being a dick and people werent having it lmao
I tell people about Cure III being AoE cause I never knew back in the day. That's it.
Banned
Meanwhile I'm sitting here at level 26 wanting to blow my brains out after the game gives me yet another quest line that involves city hopping to talk to some jackass in a bar multiple times but everybody is insisting this is the greatest MMORPG ever created.
ARR is terrible. But as someone who hated MMOs until Final Fantasy, just stick through it and chip away at it whenever, at your own pace. The end of the Realm Reborn story is great, and Heavensward is much better(although still a little slow to pick up).
Worse comes to worst just read the short version of it on some website or watch a summary. The story is good after ARR in my opinion.
lolooolll well said. It is called A Realm Reboring
@@somedudeontheinterwebs45 The end of A Realm Reboring was interesting...but then Heavensward starts up and makes it all insignificant lol I wont spoil it but the MSQ is heavily flawed around that part.
@@MalcomMalediction my stance has changed in the year+ since I've made this comment lol. I don't like 14 anymore, and have long since moved on from it.
So far the story bores me to tears (52, ARR) BUT DANG PVP IS SO GOOD AND IM SO EXCITED BY IT
You know you have played long enough when you find "Great Community BTW" funny
It's funny when used correctly. Sometimes people really do say that when they're flamed for being obnoxious or stupid when trying to start beef (between FFXIV and WoW usually).
It's when gcbtw stops being funny after being funny for a while that you've really played long enough.
Perfect legend btw
I played ARR right when it was released. I did quit after getting to 40ish but that was because I didnt like leve quests to level up alts. Just came back a few weeks ago after finally quitting wow after 16 years. I went slow and took in all the sights and did whatever I felt while doing some MSQ. I actually really enjoyed it this time around. Not trying to rush and get to end level like I normally do in MMOs, just taking my time and having fun with everything. ARR has been great. I'm half way through the patches after the main ARR story ends. If I like this I cant wait to get to the expansions with how high everyone is talking them up.
Maybe its cause Ive been suffering through WOWs story line for a while and this is a breadth of fresh air. IDK. But its been great.
That was my experience coming from WoW too honestly. I was brought in by a friend who'd never played wow and they were like "ok so ARR is shit but you just have to get through it..." and I expected waaaay worse. Like yeah it's not on the same level as the expansions but it's better than what I left by a country mile. I think it's important to emphasise you shouldn't feel like you need to rush through it
ARR isn't exactly great, but people that play like you will still have a pretty good time, the issue is more about the people that are really impatience and get anxious thinking about getting to the expansions and stuff.
"A few weeks ago"... In that case, you've come in after all of the improvements to ARR.
~ Being able to fly after main story
~ Vesper Bay Aetheryte Tickets (you used to have to walk there all the way from Horizon every time, apparently)
~ A significant number of mind-numbing, tedious quests were cut, shortened, or otherwise cleaned up that you probably missed out on.
I am at the point where I genuinely believe that the experience that *I* had with ARR is not the experience that the majority of other players had.
F#(*$&ing PREACH bro! YES! We need more of this, instead of all the worship this game gets! I'm so tired of all the hate people get when it comes to giving the game criticism. It's NOT a perfect game by far. Great? Yes, but not perfect.
Note: I absolutely LOVE FFXIV, and have been playing it since 1.0. I do Endgame content, Casual-Midcore Content aswell.
Edit: This video also made me feel ashamed to be apart of Aether DC lolol because Aether PF is absolutely DUMB 99.9% of the time. Call me toxic or w/e but you will only prove that you have not witnessed the BS Aether PF provides, END OF STORY.
Yea good points in the video. The only time I ever got a tip was starting out RDM. I was genuinely doing something wrong and someone gave me advice, but it struck me as odd how the person delivered the tip. They typed, "Psst, would you like a tip for playing RDM?" Reason that was odd to me, also coming from games like WoW and LoL, was because I'm used to people just straight up telling me, hey do this. I see why now they did that, didn't know about the strike system in ff14.
Wait, people actually, unironically complain about normal mode being too hard ? Really ? Did they try playing with their monitor turned on ?
Oh yeah. You should have seen the discussion around Shinryu normal when Stormblood came out. Weeping, the gnashing if teeth, and calls for it to be nerfed, though I'm not sure if it ever happened. I know Thunder God got nerfed. RIP. It was my favorite 24 man fight.
@@sterlingwynn3190 Oh wow, didn’t even know that. Thundergod was my favorite Orbonne fight.
Some people really are bad at the game. Back in 5.3, I had a 37-minute Ruby normal for my roulette. I was RDM and threw out nearly 30 raises.
WoW refugee here, lvl 47 at the time of writing this.
I must say ARR is the most fun I've had in an MMO doing leveling content ever.
Yeah, it's pretty damn good compared to the WoW leveling experience lol.
i kept getting told "arr bad, go hw! go hw!" post patches of arr are slow yeah, but i nonetheless got like 4 total jobs up to 50 before i went to heavensward
I am always afraid to solo queue for leveling roulette.
Because people are bad or good?
@@kalasmournrex1470 most people are like, really, realy bad in this game
i guess it depends on your server but in my experience it’s really, really not that bad. like i’d say there’s about a 1 in 100 chance you get a noticeably bad/ annoying player. and even then most of the time they’ll listen to advice
@@k7aira yeah just play WHM or WAR and you can carry any braindead random solo through roulettes
@@manafish8732 I've run 1100+ runs of mentor roulette and in my experience over 50% of players in this game are doing less than 70% of the dps they should be doing given their gear.
Most people that play this game are pretty shit at it, which is whatever, but people who don't keep ACT up all the time don't realize the fact that the overwhelming majority of people are not only not playing optimally, they are actually playing extremely suboptimally.
Personally, I think ShB normal content is right in that sweet spot for normal difficulty, ARR is not as bad as people say (but I also typically like "bad" games/stories more than others anyway), SB was mostly good just a little bumpy here and there (ex. too many pointless feeling main quests), I know there are assholes but I've only run into maybe 8 since I started, and having played WoW for like 1.5 months, while I didn't really get into it, the gameplay (at that time) was enjoyable even though there was no story as far as I could tell, people tell me there kind of is, but I don't remember it.
Now, having established me opinions, there are issues with the game, and it is ok to talk about them, there is nothing wrong with criticism, as long as it's justified (ie. not complaining that it's "weeb shit" and therefore should be shutdown).
how did you find the archives within my own mind
ARR was good for me, and nobody told me It was bad to lower my expectations either. I think people Focus too much on the story and such and want to play ARR focusing on that, so I can see what they are complaining about. But If you stop by to smell the roses and don't Focus on clearing the MSQ to get to HW then your experience might be better (I didn't know anything about the expansions being better so I had no rush to ARR. I took too long to clear ARR because I was on Gold Saucer, doing triple triad with all NPCs that I found, crafting/gathering (I enjoy this chill stuff to do on a MMO) and such. I needed like 200h to clear ARR MSQ because I was doing other stuff that I wanted to do.
While I am glad you have found a way to enjoy yourself, what you're talking about isn't what is being criticized, because in order to actually unlock all of the content you have to play the MSQ. This is the problem and is the reason why many people, myself included, say ARR is the worst part of the game. What you're describing is essentially putting the ARR MSQ on hold while you played other portions of the game that were available. This doesn't work for everyone, and doesn't absolve ARR of it's pacing issues.
@@TryHardsHMSV I didn't say that ARR MSQ doesn't have pacing issues. What I said is that the MSQ isn't the only thing available in the game, and people judge entire expansions and ARR included only because of the story. Things are locked behind the MSQ but not everything that is good needs to be unlocked at lvl 50 MSQ or so. He said time and time again that ARR sucked and that people who said that they liked it are basically lying (he didn't say with those words, but I understood as such at least) because those who had a good time at ARR had it because others lowered their expectations to the ground beforehand.
I didn't had my expectations lowered and actually enjoyed ARR, so that's my disagreemend. I didn't say that ARR doesn't have pacing issues with the MSQ, and I do believe that ARR is the worst part when compared to the expansions, but I DO like ARR, that's it.
@@00031849 I can confidently say its okay to genuinely like ARR. If you enjoyed it, no one is taking that away from you.
However, the point I'm highlighting is when you say that people are too focused on the MSQ and not everything else, which is something I've heard before, and I find people underestimate just how pivotal the MSQ is to the game at large, even if you disregard endgame. Extra jobs and expansion zones (necessary to access for crafters/gatherers at 50+) are locked behind MSQ.
Many, and I mean, many, new players have stopped and quit the game because they heard FFXIV is a great game, but with ARR as their first impression, it did not meet expectations. I've met plenty of people who have told me similar stories of wanting to play with their friends but cannot because of the MSQ, and then on top of that, not enjoying the MSQ itself. The MSQ is talked about the most because it's by far the biggest barrier of entry to content. If people aren't enjoying the story, everything else has to make up for it. For many, ARR at it's current state did not meet the praise that the playerbase states.
For reference, I played ARR at launch, where there wasn't Triple Triad or Gold Saucer until like, 2.2 I think. So none of that was even in the game. Still enjoyed myself even when the MSQ was at it's lowest moments. It's better than what it was in the past, obviously, but it's still easily the worst part of the game.
@@TryHardsHMSV I've seen the exact opposite from new players impressions of ARR the last 5 months, many of them "WoW refugees". This is obviously something that certain people either don't mind or even like and others detest.
@@GarrusN7 If they like it, that's genuinely a good thing. But regardless of the result, it's helpful for them to know ahead of time what to expect. It doesn't matter if they're WoW refugees or not. The majority of players that I talked to with these issues barely touched WoW.
was called a toxic care bear once for trying to explain tank play in a 4 man.
yup ive been screamed at multiple times "fucking toxic elitist go back to wow" for something as simple as "please don't hold your cooldowns" (i don't even play wow lol)
@@mukakruda8474 well this was very very different and weird to be toxic for caring
All of M. Chair's complaints are absolutely valid. On the toxic player note, I've definitely experienced the same. 99.99% good, and 1 or 2 players that are toxic in both ways pointed out. Short story time: Tank asked if the dungeon was my first time healing (I main WHM :3) and I gave him the classic, "um wat? lol." He stood in 3-5 stacked AOE's w/out cooldowns expecting me to heal him through it. Without hesitation or saying anything, the DPS started a vote kick and he was basically insta-kicked. Best feeling I've had in this game so far that doesn't include loot of some sort. Keep up the good videos, always love the content.
@@KainsAddiction It's an umbrella term for a lot of separate behaviours and personality traits that are generally really shitty and, generally-but-not-always, serve little purpose other than to make someone feel bad.
Like, I agree that it gets overused, but it's not going to disappear from the public lexicon overnight.
as a healer id be grateful to have a tank who asks me if im new to the instance and doesnt just mass pull. id have just told them yes/no no matter how patronizing they actually were =p
tbh the worst part of the ffxiv community is just how... cringe it is. Just the way people act is enough to make me never join a FC, cause theres always gonna be those 2 or 3 people in there who are embarrassing to witness.
This is more a good thing than bad thing. There's some pretty socially awkward people out there and it's nice to see that there are places on the internet where they can feel accepted (like an FC). In any other place they would be bullied into oblivion. At least we have the choice of avoiding cringe people in ffxiv. They don't affect us other than being cringe, the toxic shits are probably the only bad thing about the community.
That said, jesus, there's some seriously cringy people around. Best to ignore them as much as possible I guess.
Coming from somebody calling themselves "hahaha epic win" is a tad bit rich, innit? Or is this part of your social commentary?
@@LunaMene only just noticed this haha what an epic fail lulW kekW
@@LunaMene the only thing cringe about me is my name, bro. That's a relatively small part of me so I think I'm fine.
@@psclly yeah no, I'm not saying any of these people deserve to be bullied or whatever and I certainly don't say anything rude to them, but it just makes me less than enthusiastic to engage with the community. It's no fault of their own.
Played WoW for 10 years and man, i LOVED ARR!
And about toxic comunity, duuuuude... you guys on FF are REALLY blessed!
I think if you politely inform someone of a skill that they are doing wrong through a whisper and they report you the GM who investigates that will see that you did nothing wrong. Actually the person who reported you can get in trouble for doing so unjustly.
Except you cant do that because in duty finder you cant talk in anything but say or party. You cant really be discreet. Hell you cant even open your social tab in duty finder or receive a tell from a friend.
@@Calvados656 oh I didn't know that. Damn that's really toxic. Lol what bad game design.
Videos like this are important. XIV is among one of my favourite games, and when you constantly praise every single fuckin' thing about a game, regardless of whether you love it, how is that which you love going to improve? I've got nothing but respect for Yoshi and the entire team, but that don't mean I agree with everything the man says, either. Give me proper Anti-Aliasing!
I’m about to be pitchforked but I loved ARR and was genuinely hooked through all of it
As a new player, there are moments where I do feel the story is going pretty slow, though I don't know if that's just because of how i play the game, the whole company of heroes quests before titan did felt that way, but regardless of that, there's so much in the game that I am honestly having the best of times just going around the world seeing what I can do next.
Im glad you did
@@scroptels Company of heroes is probably my least favorite quest line. It can only get better from there, lol.
I think people who follow the threads of the story well, and aren't just dying to get to the expansion it's easy to enjoy ARR. Personally, there wasn't enough voice acting to hold my attention. I was hoping I was playing an MMORPG when playing ARR, not a graphic novel.
@Muninn ToG Same ahahah
Dude, I really like how you insert your sinister sacarsm into every truth that you speak of! Keep up the sarcasm and never be normal!
This needs to be shown to anybody interested in starting the game.
yep
ARR was alright. It wasn't anything incredible, but it was a better experience when it came to world building and my personal enjoyment, compared to a lot of other MMOs I've tried. Final pre-HW bit was great.
You might start throwing rocks, lads
Yeah I agree. Maybe compare to the expansions it feel boring and long but without it to lay down the foundation of the world lore and story we wouldn't love the expansion that much now. We love them because the characters we meet in ARR actually matter and come back in future expansions to give us a hand. ARR story is way better than a lot of single player games's stories aswell. Also everyone has the right of opinion, you may hate it doesn't mean everyone have to hate it aswell. Let they play it and form their own opinion we don't need more sheeps who follow the mass because they don't want to be the outcast who don't have same opinion as the majority of ppl
Currently still in ARR and I am enjoying the story. Nothing mind blowing, but interesting enough.
I think as a new player arr was enough to get me hooked and the patches weren’t horrible enough to get me to give up the game, but I do not think I could start a new character and not have a bad experience with either
I played this game for 7 years n I always said ill never make an alt... my alt is now lv 47 war and 40 whm msq lv 47 lol
I really like ARR... But I'm also the mf who talks to every. single. npc. in RPGs to learn why cheese is purple in that world.... Soooooooo I get that I'm the weird one.
i wish i could enjoy that as much as you lol
you are not the only one lol
THIS is such an "Asmongold Reacts to" vid and I love it
I kinda wish positionals had like, a special symbol that went off if you hit them properly or not. like in xenoblade remastered, basically.
Id be fine with just the numbers being a different color and larger font if they are benefiting from position bonuses. But yes Monk especially can be very frustrating and especially if your tank doesnt wanna work with you. :\
I think you're overblowing the issue with pointing out people are making mistakes / not playing correctly. I've told hundreds of players tips/tricks/best practices for their jobs and I've never been in trouble for it. Granted, I *NEVER* engage in discussion, or even bother replying at all if they complain (I/E the classic "you don't pay my sub", which I've seen much less often than the internet would make you believe)
I have had people point things out to me. I do not mind being corrected if I am doing something wrong.
I've literally never see "You don't pay my sub" before in game. Only in videos like this on youtube. This must be a server to server experience.
@@GarrusN7 I've seen it numerous times on both Crystal and Primal DCs, it's very obnoxious. The community is far too soft and entitled (at least on NA servers)
Unfortunately it really depends on the GM, some GMs give strikes easier than others. It also depends on the player if they want to bother typing out a report.
I really wanna get into FF14. I’ve put 44 hours into the game. Not all of it was MSQ, I have dabbled in other classes and gathering.
But I’m really struggling to get through a realm reborn. I don’t mind somewhat how much story there is. But god I wish I was told it was a visual novel going into it.
The only reason i survived ARR it was cos i did with a friend back in the day. And our collective hate and fuming helped going the fuck back to Waking Sands every 5s. From HW onwards i did everything alone and it was MUAH, chef kiss. 10/10.
To this day I always recomend to new players to try ARR with a friend... or a great amount of alcool
@@naironluiz8126 Pray return to the Waking Sands.
I cut through that in like 15 hours lol
Honestly... you may try finding a story re-cap and just skipping all the cutscenes and talking, getting to HW or whatever point you want to start paying attention again, and just watch that video.
it is honestly one of the worst new player experiences in an MMO i have ever seen, and this is coming from someone who grew up on Korean MMOs, notorious for being the grindiest shit in history
it's hard to place exactly what about it is so terrible, but it is not a good new player experience at all and the devs really need to take more steps to improve it besides removing a few fetch quests and giving you teleports to the waking sands
Your alliance raid footage should have a seizure warning attached.
We need to go deeper: "Criticizing criticism of FFXIV is boring."
Oh shit that black mage in the ucob footage is my healer for uwu lol
Two quick things while I'm here.
1. I pretty much skip all of the story content in FF14. The character designs are cool, the classes are cool, I don't care about the story. I just play it because it's a fun MMO. Yes, ARR sucks.
2. About the "wow players complain, so we should complain." Coming from WoW, WoW players complained until they stripped every single MMO aspect out of WoW and now it sucks. I think complaining is okay but the dev team needs to know what they need to listen to and what to ignore. The dev team for FF14 seems good though :)
I’d prefer if they made Hrothgar hairstyles not linked to faces before Bunny Boys, but whatever. I’ll deal
I totally agree with the advice issue and people knowing how to play their class. Granted I am a sprout myself and have not mastered all the classes, but I do know the ones I regularly use, like healers. I don't mind getting advice myself when I'm playing, as long as it's polite and not like "retard player do this and that noob hurr durr" or being passive aggressive.
Most people I've also encountered do not mind receiving advice, especially when it's about mechanics. Although I've not been reported or banned, there was this one instance I remember that I've tried giving advice on their class and said person refused to even learn how to use theirs. They were an AST in Noct sect, when we already have a SCH in the party. I said to them "hey AST can you switch to Diurnal so we can have regens? We alr have an SCH and shields don't stack" and they were like, "but I like Nocturnal, it's my favorite" and refused to switch. I just said "okay, you do you I guess" and that was that.
However, for the rest of the raid, this person did subpar healing (benefic 1, barely using cards, Divination who?). The SCH was doing all the healing for the rest of us (easy to spot the adlo and fairy effects on our names) and basically working double-time to cover for the lack of AST contribution.
It was an inconvenience since one of the healers wasn't doing much when we kept eating raid-wide attacks. Suffice to say, all comms went to the SCH lol
i think my opinion on ARR changed alot post flying. the inbetween ARR and HW bit was easily my least favorite section, but post flying i'm slowly wanting to play new game plus from the start again knowing i won't need to kill a sahagin trash mob that's been following me at every quest stop
One time, I noticed a DPS not using AOE. It was Haukke Manor and I felt certain they had one by now, so I just phrased it as a question: Do you have *X skill*?
“No, I don’t.”
Oh, ok then.
I didn’t push it even though I felt certain. I believe they started using it 10 minutes later, so basically situations about being worried about being reported I treat as I am at a disadvantage, my lord, in your infinite wisdom doth thou have perchance skill? No milord? Pray I beg forgiveness, my apologies milord.
Imagine paying to play a game every month, and being afraid to talk about it
I guess it's what the world is coming into
To be fair a LOT of classes don't get their AoE until practically end of MSQ ARR. I think Dragoon doesn't get it til 40 and Ninja is EVEN later. I was surprised when it took until like 42ish for my Warrior to get their SECOND AoE. Prior to that my job was just spamming overpower in groups...
@@luketfer >I believe they started using it 10 minutes later
I don't even care if they have AoE spells or not. No one should be banned for absolute basic communication.
And yes, I do have friends that got strikes for that
"That's like saying an anime series is good if half of the episodes are alright and the other half are dogshit".
As a Naruto fan, that felt like a personal attack.
Hey! Only a fraction of episodes are dogshit in a given story arc.
One of my friends I met through FF was trying to tell people, who didn't play well, what they could do to improve during roulettes. Needless to say, he got 2 strikes over the course of 2 months and has since never tried speaking with people about how they play in roulettes in fear of getting his account terminated. I find it hilarious, that even though you pay square lots of money, for subs or in game items, that all of that could vanish in seconds, just because someone decided "he can't tell me how to play". I myself usually want to help people, which I can do in my FC, however I have almost never told anyone I don't know if they did something bad as I don't wish to come closer to the point of no return.
I like the videos that you express your opinions and not just explain a rotation
I'm relatively new to the game, having only joined at the end of the post SB content, but I really resonate with the niceness being way overboard.
I feel like I am logging into hugbox HQ and all of the emoticons make me believe I have been sucked into the worst kind of Geocities pages circa 2005.
I once had a healer that wouldn't heal me consistently in the manor duty and when I called them out they told me they were sorry because they weren't used to healing without regen.
When I pointed out that they just need to spam Cure I and I will stop dying they rage quit after I refused to apologize to them.
I'm working on gearing for Savage raids, genuinely hope I can escape these types there.
Ya get in to savage or ultimate you you'll likely never see the "Im casual and telling me to learn how to play the game is toxic" fools.
nah there's plenty of shitters in savage too
Join an fc with people you feel identified with and NEVER go into duty finder alone.
Can I add a photo of Yoahida to to my Soken shrine, or does he require a shrine to himself alone?
Soken unironically is a god, Yoshida is just a figurehead people worship 7 years later for ARR
I did a dalriada run and there were like 3 people being so toxic because it was taking a while and the people messed up calling safe spots in the hallway. There were other people trying to say "chill out, some people here are new," but left a sour taste in my mouth. It didn't help that one of them complained about not getting healing/rezzed because they didn't feel like partying up.
Bozja raid content is like taking a time capsule back to the early 2000's with how vitriol it can be.
@@TryHardsHMSV It's so damn fun though, and doing stuff on patch day with actual wipes happening as people figure stuff out is so good.
Personally, i enjoyed ARR, but i have to admit that yeah it was bad. The storytelling was awful, the voice acting was so lifeless and empty, most cutcenes were just awkward to watch and the content is mediocre at best. Was a big glowup from 1.0? Yes. But, lets be fair, not even Blizzard could make something as bad as ffxiv 1.0.
Im a WoW player and, while i admit that the community is more rude, they're also more real. I've been kicked from dungeons when i was new for not playing well (yeah i was rlly bad lol). And that made me think "oh, i gotta get better if i want to do more highlvl content then", and so i searched guides and tips for my class. The WoW community really expect a certain level from their players. You gotta do the bare minimum, if you dont even do that, then you're out. Because no one plays to carry others.
In FFXIV, a player doing the bare minimum is a surprise. It's such an issue that you cannot complain about how others play because you'll get banned, it doesnt make sense. How will the playerbase progress in terms of skill, then? I've seen people at max level now knowing what positionals are, how the raise invul works, not knowing what a stack marker is, etc.
In my opinion, many times FFXIV ends up feeling more toxic. It's so damn passive aggresive. Instead of kicking someone out of a party for endgame content, you have to disband the party. Instead of saying "you're not doing DPS", you have to ask them if they know their rotation in a super nice way. I swear it feels like walking on eggshells ffs. The whole criticism is bad and everyone that tries to tell you "how to play" is toxic and elitistic. Why dont wow players have the "you dont pay my sub" argument, but ffxiv players do? because any above average player has to babysit all the rest or otherwise they're toxic.
Im a mentor, and i raid. I always try to teach new players. The most common aswer? Ignoring me. The second most common answer is getting angry at me. I'm always super nice and sugarcoat everything and it makes me so mentally exhausted. And im a SCH main so you can bet ur ass that i have "strong" opinions on the state of scholar and healers in general. If i get banned for trying to teach new players, then so be it. I dont pay 10 bucks to babysit freaking adults in an online game.
And the game has SO many features they should work on, but god forbid saying one bad thing about FFXIV. Jeez. That's why i like your content, man. You keep it real. It's so refreshing to hear someone with the same opinions as me lol
thats why ur supposed to get a FC and play with other players who know how to play the game.
@@icepenguin7278 why do i have to join an FC so i get players that know the bare minimum? Im not saying everyone should be super good at their job and know every single mechanic, im just saying that at lvl 80 a certain skill/knowledge level is expected but toxic casualism is literally being the most toxic part of the community and preventing the general skill level from progressing
I say it is okay, but I have blocked out memories of the Titan quest mudwalk.
@@Leoninai because it is mmo
@@icepenguin7278 and? Im sorry but i dont get what you mean
If anyone doesn't believe you can get in trouble for mentoring. I did, and I had my mentor crown on, and I only said 2 lines. One, standard hiya as a dungeon greeting and literally "please face the boss away from the party", and that was enough for the gmods to strike me. Even having the mentor tag on isn't enough to give out advice.
Honestly, this is why I have adapted to never speaking people in casual roulettes about anything they’re doing wrong. See my black mage being pure ice mage? No problem. My astro doesnt know how to press a single dps button? You do you. Unless its something causing wipes over and over I just dont see the point of addressing it anymore, people dont all take criticism even if its coming from a helping perspective. Savage+ content thou I feel like I will always point out if someone is doing something severely wrong, a tank that doesnt pop cds for tank busters need to be told lol. Not that everyone needs to be 99 parsers going into savage content but I feel like at least knowing how to play your class is the basics
If someone is not taking advice and is activity hindering the group, that a reportable offence
i agree with all of this. one thing that bugs me is there is a fundamental disconnect between a long visual novel style game and the MMO aspects of the game. sitting around waiting for cutscenes is not fun for me; i play MMOs to be busy and make progress. i enjoy the non-story aspects of the game a lot but a huge percentage of the community tries to actively take away that enjoyment by saying “if you don’t enjoy the story, you don’t enjoy the game”. that’s simply not true and i wish people would cut that shit out.
Without a parser you would never know how often DPS lose to tanks in damage.
As a Paladin main, I was surprised to find out this fact 1st hand lol.
Yep, I couldn't give 2 shits about the story of this game save for a few parts of HW. I think its boring, uninspired and ultimately not something that interests me.
The most annoying thing are the fart smellers who try to tell me I'm too stupid to understand the game, where most of the conversations sound like the character eats a thesaurus for breakfast every morning.
I'm almost sure that it's a translation issue at this point because it just sounds so forced an un natural.
But I can skip cutscenes and have made a career out of ignoring idiots, so my only real issues are :
1.)Leveling gameplay is mind numbingly boring; It just takes far too long to get interesting spells and if i wasn't playing with friends i'd have quit by level 30.
2.) Leveling alternate jobs feels like you are going through a disconnected checklist of systems, it doesn't take long it's just not particularly engaging.
3)Endgame is a bit stale, but that is mostly a community issue. Non current content even scaled down is rlly not that challenging, and the % of players that do engage in challenging content is in my experience very, very tiny... I swear if I join another FC and they invite me to a house party as an event I'mma kick someones ass :D
4) ERP--- is fucking everywhere, in public, in every city... i don't care what u do, if it helps u get off fine ... but for the love of god you don't have to subject the rest of us to it.... How this prevails in a game that will sanction you because someone took your criticism wrong is beyond me.
K bye...
This was a pretty good rant, thanks for sharing. (No sarcasm)
@@AlterEgoX7 Like, there are some very interesting classes, in the game, some very fun encounters ,and I do enjoy playing it but the community is full of religious zealots that think FF14 is their life, If you think you've seen weirdos inMMOS... you aint seen nothing yet
While I generally agree that the FF14 community is "less toxic" than comparable communities (WoW I guess is the most noteworthy), FF14 also suffers a bit from something that WoW has struggled with for years, and that's a thing I'm going to call "toxic casualism". You mention it a little in this video, but I think that combined with the inherent risk of getting a strike or banned for so much as suggesting that another player use ability X, is frankly ridiculous.
wows community is not more toxic, its more real, you wont get banned for kicking a player or telling them they are trash. At the end of the day, as a PvEr i want to clear hard end content, not carry anyone that joins my raids
@@martinalegre5524 thats true, in WOW i can trade blows with some melee in partyfinder. He calls my tanking shit, i link his parse, we call each other a dick. In FF14 we would both be banned. Meanwhile RMT is running rampant
I agree it's important to give criticism where it's due. Like the housing system. Every time I mention it's flaws I essentially get "it could be a lot worse." Since when did something not being as bad as it could be become the golden standard for content. Trying to get a house In game rn is worse than getting one In real life. We shouldn't settle for mediocre.
ah, i'd always wonder why no one told me to stop using doton when i was going through stromblood. it was only after i watched a rotation guide that i seen its not used except for pre pulls
I think he's wrong about that one aspect the more likely situation is that they simply didn't care to explain it or notice. I've told ppl they were fucking up numerous times and haven't spoken to a single gm about it.
@@Roymoney1998 i told a BLM to use aoe and like 2 hours later i was contacted by GM for hate speach lol.
After that i never gave any advice in this game and 70% of content i run with my FC.
@@octaviusa7035 Jesus man that's fuckin ridiculous maybe I'm just lucky. I did something similar to an RDM just last week and didn't get any type of recourse from GMs
@@Roymoney1998 Same, but that has been changing in recent years. I have a couple of friends that refuse to even chat anymore because they are 1 strike away from having no account anymore
@@Roymoney1998 The biggest issue isn't even talking to the GM, the issue is that you will end up with a strike anyway
I started learning alot more to do with combat after being around friends in game for a little while as ofc you're more comfortable around eachother and its highly unlikely you'll report one another for bad advice, probably would come off as a joke if it's dumb advice anyway, where it may not with a random.
Tldr: you'll learn more once you get friends/static/guildmates
Literally the realest dude in the community. I get tired of literally everyone handwaving everything wrong with the game because a lot of the long-term community is still riding on the whole 'it's so much better than 1.0' thing. It isn't bad, but there's a lot of issues. Personally, I'm iffy about the lack of high-end content, and I feel like no one talks about how literally every single dungeon in the game is just the exact same one dungeon reskinned 80 times. Every new dungeon in the new expansion is going to be three bosses with 3-5 packs of mobs inbetween but I feel like no one really talks about that and whenever I bring it up people seem to hate the idea of ever doing anything different.
THIS. Dungeons got sneakily cut out of the game it seems, with the one alibi insert string of rooms with boss. Kinda disgusting of the dev team tbh, dungeons are a CORE part of MMO's and they sneakily reduced effort...
This is mostly because loads of people have to run stuff like Aurum Vale, Haukke Manor, Temple of Qarn, Thousand Maws and Wanderer's Palace in the early game over and over and over with every new combat job they decide to level and very quickly realize that the added aspects to these dungeons that make them more complicated do not in fact make them more fun.
I think the majority of the playerbase is content with the majority of complex mechanics being in bosses, especially Trials, and to a lesser extent in Raids - the game is clearly stronger there than elsewhere.
I think the biggest Problem with the ARR content is that while its a good story that does amazing worldbuilding for the rest of the expansions it is objectively a terrible game.
If 80%+ of your 60h of "gameplay" in an MMO is running from one npc to the next while listening to dialouge you get absolutely no say in, with only the rest actually requiring you to play your character and even then only minimally then you are not playing a game, you are watching a slightly interactive cutscene.
This is also how we get people who have been playing the game for hundreds of hours while barely being able to play their jobs because nothing gets properly explained ingame and there is very little reason to actually learn to play beyond the very basics required to bowl over some quest mobs and get carried through the occasional dungeon or trial.
i find it funny, that i'm being told, not to skip the story and take my time, all content is important and no need to rush to end game its a great story. ... while at the same time, being told its boring and a pain till you hit level 60.. LMAO the double talk i see from the FF14 community is so bad, like saying ff14 community is not toxic, but yet they attack anyone with a hint negativity, . and i have meet and seen tons of very toxic players in ff14 no different then any other mmo iv played in...
It's hardly double speak. You are expected to understand that most people consider ARR bad and that the skill distribution is seriously fucked, but it does ultimately all get better. You are also expected to understand that ARR is such a fundamental part of the game that you shouldn't rush through it or skip past it. It is an acknowledgement and acceptance of the game's flaws with compromise to how putting up with these flaws pays off. It also doesn't do to just rush to endgame since while there is plenty of side-stuff to do a new player is likely to fall into the gear-treadmill trap and promptly unsub until new content comes out. Something Yoshi P actually advocates for btw. In short it's not double-speak because we know ARR is largely. but not entirely, bad, but we do also want you to stick with it since it does pay dividends.
About the community though? Yeah, that's double-speak. The nuance there though is what Chair touched on in the video. Everyone is generally very nice and there's a lot of genuinely nice and helpful people. There's also a lot of assholes. And a lot of overlap as some people can be clearly insincere with their politeness. It has the same wretched stink of when you see people arguing online and one of them says something like "But hey we all have opinions and it's okay that we disagree :)." This is very true, but I also find it nauseating. Some people say it genuinely, but hey we all have opinions and it's okay that we disagree :). But the truly sickening ones are the ones that say it just to seem like they are acting mature and adult and reasonable. That is the type of genuine sincerity and gross insincerity you see in XIV.
I liked lvl 50 ARR story. But maybe it was because I came when HW just got out and decided getting into it after I had my zeta weapon, so maybe story quest time was just a deliverance to the atma and alexandrite grind, not counting the amount of gil I had to generate as a not even lvl 50 gatherer for materia. So yeah, maybe I have a few screws loose...
Rare angry chair
Coming from WoW, I remember every single time I complained the UI could be better by just being more responsive and intuitive to people, particularly around inventory management, I'd get smileyfaced lectured about how much better the devs are then any other game and how I should just lick it up and be grateful, basically "everything is fine, you must just be dumb so shut up" but with a nice little bow. This community isn't "bad" but the idea its perfect and the game oh-so-flawless is ridiculous and falls right into the trap of what toxic positivity is defined as far more than it needs to be.
Gimme BLU ultimates. It couldn't cost them too much effort, could it? If players are worried it cheapens their efforts, just make it award a different achievement and not drop a weapon token or something
I've never been banned for giving unrequested advice to people about their rotations. At worst, I piss them and the group off with just the suggestion and I get kicked, but at best they're grateful and end up having more fun with the game, so it's a worthwhile risk to me.
Has anyone seriously been banned for this without referencing a third party addon or being insulting/using foul aggressive language/actively impeding duty progression?
This sounds super similar to ESO.
In ESO, whenever PVPers would express how displeased they are about the lack of attention pvp content was getting and all the bugs and broken aspects of pvp...all the PVE'ers would condemn the PVPers and call them crybabies and tell them stfu. Then eventually the PVE'ers got screwed with update 35 and started to complain about how bad the game got for PVE content lol. Karma is a beach.
So, I've developed a Technique that has allowed me to give TONS of advice to Randoms over the years, without fear or Strikes or Bans. Every instance I queue into, I start off with a very friendly greeting. (To show that I'm a swell dude, before we ever play together) And if I notice that the Black Mage seems to like ice a bit too much I ask "Hey MrFreeze! Are you open to some pointers or advice? :D" (EMOTICONS are BiS!!) I'd say 80% of the time, I get a "Sure" 15% of the time, I get a "No thank you." and 5% I get ... nothing. If they're open to it, I invite them to have a chat at the end. And if they say "No" Then I say "Ok!" and proceed to go "UUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH" all throughout Mt Gulg. And though I think it's rude as hell to queue into Content without a basic understanding of what you're doing, I also accept the reality that I am actively making the choice to play with randoms. And when you roll the dice, sometimes it lands on one..
All in all, as long as you don't say anything that can be INTERPRETED as "being a Dick", you won't get punished. It's VERY easy to come off as an asshole over text. Intended or not. So whenever I cross that bridge, I take EXTRA care to make sure my good/friendly intentions are clear!
I understand that the need to "tip toe" like this can be annoying. But to be honest, I'd rather have this, than having a community where Racial/Homophobic Slurs and CONSTANT Harassment runs Rampant, and is normalized,
its crazy how much we have to invested in just so everyone dont waste each other time.
When I play with sprouts I tend to give pointers on how they can improve if needed. If they tell me they don't care, fine. No point in arguing with those people.
This is the first i hear of people getting strikes and/or banned for trying to help people. Is that really a thing and should I seriously start being careful when doing that? Because if that's the case, it's ridiculous.
I'm like 1/4 through HW and i think this is my 3rd time trying to get into the game but just cant. I've tried a few classes but they all feel like they're missing major abilities that i know will be there at 80 and feel better to play but why do i have to spend 100 hours on the game before the actual gameplay gets good? The races are also all too similar and not unique like many other fantasy mmorpgs. Armors look great, the game as a whole is definitely pretty especially for its age. Ultimately though i play a game for its gameplay if the reactions on screen correlate well with my keypresses I'm having a good time, FF14 lacks that imo so its just not for me, at least i tried giving it a fair shake.
all mmo's have levelling lol
ffxiv is less of an mmo and more of a jrpg that happens to be online. the reason why the races are all so similar is because theyre primarily for aesthetic and roleplay purposes.
and.... yeah. levelling a class to 80 sucks but every mmo has that.
ARR is genuinely not that bad for the most part, it feels dated sure but it's just bog standard mmo gameplay at low levels with some necessary world building. What DOES suck is the post 50 ARR stuff that's required to get to the next expansion, that HAS to be trimmed down or removed.
If you remove it then the entrance to HW wont be impactful and theyve already trimmed it down by cutting out like 20 quests and made it faster and tolerable by adding flying to post arr.
I dunno, I've found the post-50 ARR stuff to be significantly more engaging (story-wise) than a good chunk of ARR itself. I haven't found a single thing in Post-ARR that has yet to infuriate me as much as the Company of Heroes Arc pre-Titan.
I find its really fucked up that the reason people don't even try to help someone is how oppressive the report system is, and yet no one seems to notice the problem.
It doesn't really match with my experience it's completely fine to give advice and teach people how to play the game, and if you get reported for giving tips/asking them to do something better, typically the GMs back you up. It's only if you're an asshole about it that the GMs crack down on you.
@@oromain Unfortunately that's not the case. The GMs function independently of each other and will at times give you a strike even for giving advice, simply because that's what the GM decides to do. There's a reason mentors don't actually mentor, and everyone keeps their mouth shut. People have been banned over the smallest things, even as much as mentioning melee dps have positionals, or healers also have dps skills.
I give advice during ex or savage. I dont give advice during normal unless I HAVE to (play without keyboard so typing takes time on controller), not out of fear but generally you can clear without a problem.
Shitty dps no worries I'll carry. Tank HAS to have tank stance on or I dont move and advise (I have left do to them not turning it on). Healer i just die inside.
Other than that majority of the time it's not that serious.
But yea not advising has 0 bearing on fear of reporting.
Also reporting is a major pain so dont see anyone actually do it. Unless you completely out of line like saying kys or cursing and calling names. Those are unacceptable anyways.
@@kylaniharinaeki5719 I constantly hear people say this but I've never seen evidence of it happening. When someone talks about getting reprimanded or banned for giving advice, they never show anything to indicate it wasn't their behavior while doing so that got them in trouble. I have not seen a single instance in where someone clearly shown to be politely giving advice has been reprimanded in FFXIV. And I've been playing for 7 years.
@@jtiller1223 You'd be surprised how much people go out of their way to be assholes. Usually you will be fine if you're polite, especially in EX or Savage, but I've had expert roulettes with players who do so little damage, I either run out of mitigation, or I go out of mana on healer, or have had circumstances where a NEW Scholar tried to tell me that "Aetherflow is an emergency ability," and proceeded to spam adlo and nearly let me die while doing single pack mob pulls. No faerie either. I tried to be polite and just gently mention a few abilities because they were genuinely struggling and I just wanted to get out of there, but they were straight up ready to report me if I said anything more.
I came from League, CSGO, and WoW, so I’m used to straight up toxicity. FFXIV tends not to have people who are straight up mean, but theres a looooot of passive aggressive stuff with a lot of players.
Man, I just started playing this game. And I don't think I will survive past level 20. It is the most boring start of a game I have ever seen. I regret I paid for it before I tested, but how could the top mmorpg of 2023 be nothing but fantastic? Well, it is deadly dull, maybe it will be good later. But I don't think I can inflict more boreness upon myself.
Don't play it anymore i got trapped in by friends who fed me "it gets better after x" line and unfortunately i did not snap out of until i have over 100 hours into the game which is only around the end of the first expansion and no it did not get much better.
Im suffering the same thing. @@chrisrawr6177 while there are still some enjoyable aspects...just doing the MSQ is really quite boring. I finally entered Heavensward recently after A Realm Reboring and Im still falling asleep while playing FF14's MSQ. It feels like playing a solo player game but online...there is hardly any meaningful social interactions on this game for me. I think what personally draws me into sticking with MMORPGs is the fact that you can engage in chats with people n people r socializing. The only socializing I see is often through FC chat and Novice Chat...I never see actual socializing happen in /say chat where people just stand around doing nothing but go afk at main city's aetheryte crytal plaza lol. I think the social chat bubbles would be a step in the right direction like how u see on Playstation Home...and even if it gets crazy it is still better than nothing.
"Where jobs are not super hard to pick up, but still have room for skill expression."
I'm a little jaded after so long, but looking back at this video, my opinion is that statement no longer holds up. healers and tanks feel like the spider-man pointing meme to me now.
I like the last 4th or so of ARR. Lake Silvertear and whatnot
By the time I started playing, shadowbringers was already out. I hated ARR patches so much that the only reason I didn’t quit was that I was determined to unlock dark knight, which was locked behind said ARR content
Yeah, the whole "staying quiet because you can get slapped for like, anything" thing hits hard. The *only* players you will find who will mention if you're doing something blatantly wrong is new players who haven't yet basically been pushed into "be silent or you're gonna get shit on, and possibly have to deal with GMs" Which, from all I've seen, won't tell you what you did wrong and will not give you *any* room to explain your side of it.
I've been grinding mentor roulette lately because I think it's fun to be able to go into just any content and also I want that mount, sue me, and within under 100 duties I had so many bad experiences when trying to help people not doing *ANYTHING* remotely helpful to the party that I no longer have any motivation to speak because even if my role is supposed to be to "mentor" players who aren't doing things even remotely correctly, everything about the game discourages actually doing that. It's a miracle I haven't been sent to GM jail yet for telling people (especially tanks, many of which would have me holding all but 1 enemy's aggro "Yo, when there's 3 or more enemies, you should use your AOE skills for damage and to hold aggro"
I think one of the biggest failings of this game is the fact that there's nothing you can say once in GM jail to A. Learn what you even did wrong, or B. Defend yourself. Why, for any reason, would I explain how the tank could easily wall-to-wall pull and have no issues with it, when that could get me punished without me even knowing what I did? Why would I not just pull the extra pack myself, stay silent, and essentially follow the rule of "I can play how I want and grabbing more enemies despite being a DPS is how I want to play"?
Or even, "why bother telling the tank to use their aoes so I'm not holding 3/4ths of the starting pack in Mt. Gulg as a SAM?" Why not just finish that pack, and immediately cut my losses and leave? There is no incentive with the current system the game has in place for supporting outright harmful levels of misunderstanding of one's role, to *ever* try to tell someone how they could improve. The easier thing is to either stay silent and let the duty take 10-20 more minutes, or just leave, because both of those will not risk you getting punished
I even feel like the more toxic option of being a silent asshole to get through stuff faster is better than being vocally nice and encouraging people to do better
you haven't been sent to GM jail because it's not against ToS to give people advice.
Granted, i don't play high end content as of yet, but i found most people i've met to be very supportful and whilling to teach and help. Of course there's always exceptions...
I've watched this video in it's entirety and I agree with you except for the getting banned thing . I constantly correct healers and mostly white mage for not using holy. Of course I'm not an ass about it though and that what I think makes the difference. If someone complains about getting banned for helping people I'm just gonna assume it was because they were being an ass about it.
I do this too and I've never gotten flak from it. I think you just have to make sure you don't sound like you're privy to esoteric knowledge of your party's damage output through the use of illegal number crunching applications
They are allowed to be an ass about it, you shouldn't be forced act "positive" when playing a game, people have bad days and play games to vent, it has always been part of the experience.
Nowadays though, you get strikes over anything. Got a friend that got a strike for posting an hello macro at the start of a dungeon. Another one because "they didn't support Pride Month in Limsa"
Things are getting retarded, specially for a game that you pay a subscription to play
Hope the GM boots taste good, you seem to like licking
@@ich3730 Is he wrong tho, if you be an ass while giving advice expect some drama to come your way for it, thats always been the nature of the internet. "Talk sh-t get hit" as the saying goes online, this isnt some exclusive 14 problem.
@@ich3730 It's funny that everyone that complains about the community being bad happens to be a toxic asshole like yourself or this "B" guy in the comments, just play WoW and you'll find plenty of people like yourself.
idk, i give advice to people all the time and nothing happened, they either thank me and correct their playstyle or just ignore me