Respect to brother Daniel for bringing nuance/reality to this conference. Daniel is a legend for speaking the truth to everyone, ma sha Allah he has a backbone which some people lack.
@@ponderingspirit1475 lool we're all ikhwanis, deobandis, Sufis, deviants, until we only follow select sheikhs from the middle East. If this is not a cult then I don't know what is.
I have more respect for brother Daniel for his stoicism and his openess than rhe majority of the others doing Dawah. Big respect to you brother Daniel for keeping it 100. MashaAlllah
Who are the others you are attacking baselessly? What do you mean by keeping it 100? That he's arguing why his statement of saying I'm a big Deobandi fan without any clarification is not controversial? He's clearly the least knowledgeable among the ones in the panel and he's completely missing the point.
@@endless782 dan was in error! There were pictures of qubur in big tabligi masjids. This opposes Sahih M. 532, book of Masjids. I have seen tabligi or deoband Ashari imams say Allah is everywhere. Not good. Quran says Allah is over His Throne, hadith of the abd bint, miraj, farewell haj prove this. Sahih M. Kitab iman says there is a barrier between Allah and creation. From Tauhid is Allah is separate from creation. Quran 20.46 shows Allah is with us Hearing and Seeing.
Is that what you call muslim? the one who slander, name calling and label other muslims who don't agree with him? If arrogance and ignorance is charisma in your eyes, then it's your problem. Do not bring all "wester muslim" since you don't represent us.
@@danishbhatt9116 Subhanallah, he is gaining your good deeds. Brother DH has achieved and pushed Islam forward far more than you could even dream of doing.
Daniel is operating on a level far beyond uthman and at times he, Sh. Othman comes off as antagonizing. He told Daniel to relax when he was already calm which only shows that HE needed to relax. Daniel sees the big picture and addresses real issues while other sheikhs are like children fighting with one another. He is who the shayateen are really after and that's we need to support him... جزاك الله تعالى خير اخي Daniel
Bro stop giving comment like this, we all see that they clarify thing that misunderstood and people has they own way.. at the end they manage settle thing in a good way... we shud make duaa that all muslim is must solidarity
Farooq dude knew he was in the wrong and tried to cover his tracks by portraying Daniel as the little knowledable guy , but in reality Farooq with his closed mindset tripped on his own gown ,. Daniel was a cool calm debater /collector who actually addressed indirect attack like a gentleman . Respect . Shows that Farooq actually has knowledge but will use to further his closed mindset .
He told him relax because Daniel started approaching the discussion as if it was a debate, replying in bad faith and accusing sheikh uthman of straw-maning him... how is this a proper way of discussion??? The second important point is that daniel is the one who requested this to happen.
@@mnoorbhaiWords of absolute ignorance and naivety. Sheikh Uthman was trying to justify for Daniel why he was misunderstood. Saying you're a scholar is a huge responsibility, it's not a child's game. Daniel took it in bad faith as if sheikh uthman was degrading him, and S. uthman followed up by saying I'm not undermining your knowledge but clarifying to those that misunderstood your statements. And here you are saying the opposite. I can't believe that your love for daniel is blinding you like this! it's crazy.
Yes because youth are emotional and unintelligent. Provocation, name calling, slander are the standard that they gravitating towards and those are the things Daniel brings to the table. Wisdom doesn't attract the youth. To them, rebellion based on ignorance and arrogance is charisma. Well, I guess fools will follow the fool because they're the only one they can understand and relate to.
I only came across brother Daniel when this recent attack on our brothers/sisters in Palestine occurred. Saw his tweets, checked his TH-cam channel and immediately started to gain knowledge that satisfied my heart. I genuinely feel like he speaks for Muslims with no agenda at all but getting the ummah stronger.
@@slaveofgod3481 did you read what I said? Can't you think about priorities? If a Muslim who has some bidaa that isn't putting him outside of the circle of Islam, is under attack. Then instead of helping him you go pointing his obvious mistakes? This called سفاهة
Brother Daniel the ummah loves you. You are the mouthpiece for the common Muslim man/woman. You say what we are all thinking and you do it unapologetically. Ma sha Allah
Okay I'd like to get straight into topic. I've read many of the comments here and honestly, brothers what's wrong? Why are we trying to split each other up? What happened? I've watched this video thoroughly and I'd agree that Sheikh Kharim might have sounded like we was "ambushing" Daniel, but we got the necessary clarifications all of us needed no? Daniel talked about his stance and clarified some of the misconceptions behind him. Sheikh Uthman respected this conversation and he wasn't even planning for it to happen, but it did and they handled it well. Sheikh Uthman cleared up on the importance of where someone gets knowledge from and how if he is not a qualified scholar, that they must not spread their beliefs and etc until they are qualified. They talked about some of the people that teach wrong Qaeedas and all that but that's besides the point, I've seen many comments here where some people insult Sheikh Uthman for example, or say oh I'm never going to support this dude or that guy. Guys guys what's going on? Alot of misconceptions we're cleared up, we got background information about these intelligent men, and they discussed some of the dangers of an unqualified person spreading his knowledge. What you people are doing here is splitting the Ummah even further and your just simply making those islamaphobes and hypocrites even more happy. Brothers we should thank all of them that went up there, we love Sheikh Uthman, Skeikh Karim, Daniel, and the Sheikh at the right (I apologize in advance I'm not familiar with him nor do I know him, it's the first time I see him but he seems genuine and a good respectable person) and we should not spread hate between us. Your just making your enemies glad. I'll be copy pasting this onto many of the comments.
@@mz6137 It doesn't matter how well this was handled, it doesn't matter how much clarification others get, this isn't a way to ambush someone. No props to Br. Uthman or Br. Karim. It was only because of Daniel's calmness, this didn't turn ugly. You always ask others to deal these in private? Where did that advice go? Asking Daniel to not to speak on certain topics just because some immature brothers of salaf(as said by Br. Karim) is fair? Since when? It's these neo salafis making thakfir, splitting the ummah and making others happy.
Unfortunately this channel is anti-Islamic in its context. The name "ahnaf" is used to catch non-Salafis out. I've deleted any comments on this video and will not be watching anything else by this "creator", for the greater good of Islam.
After this debate one can clearly see how Allah can put love and respect in the hearts of people for the person who is on haq. May Allah protect Brother Daniel and keep him steadfast on the Deen.
The fact you called it a debate shows how out of the loop you are. I can say the same about sheikh uthman and kareem or Ibrahim. This is not a matter of football teams and who you should cheer for. It's about knowledge in Islam and following the truth. Daniel is undeniably the least knowledgeable among them, they are just too respectful to call it out blatantly, but all three made general comments addressing the mistakes he fell in. Brother Daniel is doing amazing work in refuting modern liberal ideologies, but he must not overstep his boundaries of knowledge.
Okay I'd like to get straight into topic. I've read many of the comments here and honestly, brothers what's wrong? Why are we trying to split each other up? What happened? I've watched this video thoroughly and I'd agree that Sheikh Kharim might have sounded like we was "ambushing" Daniel, but we got the necessary clarifications all of us needed no? Daniel talked about his stance and clarified some of the misconceptions behind him. Sheikh Uthman respected this conversation and he wasn't even planning for it to happen, but it did and they handled it well. Sheikh Uthman cleared up on the importance of where someone gets knowledge from and how if he is not a qualified scholar, that they must not spread their beliefs and etc until they are qualified. They talked about some of the people that teach wrong Qaeedas and all that but that's besides the point, I've seen many comments here where some people insult Sheikh Uthman for example, or say oh I'm never going to support this dude or that guy. Guys guys what's going on? Alot of misconceptions we're cleared up, we got background information about these intelligent men, and they discussed some of the dangers of an unqualified person spreading his knowledge. What you people are doing here is splitting the Ummah even further and your just simply making those islamaphobes and hypocrites even more happy. Brothers we should thank all of them that went up there, we love Sheikh Uthman, Skeikh Karim, Daniel, and the Sheikh at the right (I apologize in advance I'm not familiar with him nor do I know him, it's the first time I see him but he seems genuine and a good respectable person) and we should not spread hate between us. Your just making your enemies glad. I'll be copy pasting this onto many of the comments.
@@imsoniceee why the harsh criticism? I didn't hear him saying anything that sounded disingenuous. I've avoided him on TH-cam because of what others said. While I might disagree with some of his stances he didn't say anything indefensible.
@@mz6137 SubhanAllah I just wrote the same thing just much less eloquently. InshaAllah we are believers that recognize one another in this dunya and the akhira
May Allah bless you all. But as far as Debate concerned , even Sheikh Uthman can not handle Brother Daniel Haqiqatjou. Daniel is master of Debate. It may be advantageous or disadvantageous to him. Allah knows best .
@@al-kimiya6962 Brother Al kimiya, If we see Past scholars of India , they shown even with the different in Aqidah they came together and established big institutions and for benefits of general Muslim Public. For example “Nadwatul Ulama” established by Scholars included Atharis, Asharis and Maturidis . They worked together as part of Ahlu Sunnah. That is what we required now by the Scholars. Even though I strongly accept that Athari creed is most correct and followed by the Four Great Imams without doubt. But we can not exclude Asharis and Maturidis from Ahlu Sunnah.
@@Bilal-BS I'm 100% with you on that and I'm Ashari-Maturudi myself, indeed we need to unite irrespective of our aqida differences against the onslaught of liberalism, feminism etc. I was talking about Uthman, he's no Shaykh, he's just another self taught dawahman and he's also a madhkali.
@@user-ew1xu4wq4k Calm down . Don’t be emotional. Don’t straw man . Who said about entertaining. Similarly I can not say to you “lick some boots” why should I assume like that ? I said debate can Be disadvantageous too if you are not getting Truth . Allah knows best . And Leave Negative assumption.
He has clearly stated that he “follows the way of the salaf e salaheen” he speaks extensively on the methodology of the first generation of Muslims. You’re being disingenuous and have ulterior motives.
The sheer arrogance of these self righteous salafi scholars is a sight to behold! Kudos to br Daniel for standing his ground while maintaining his composure against such a rude onslaught
It’s not arrogance mate, it’s that they care about Daniel’s akhirah, they want to ensure that he goes to Heaven, and on that he’s an extremely valuable asset in the fight against Liberalism, and a very knowledgeable individual, who has come under a lot of unwarranted criticism. Hence, they want to ensure that his Aqeedah is correct and that he is rewarded in the Akhirah for his hard work in this world! This is called love brother, if they didn’t love him, they wouldn’t have gone to this extent to ensure that everything is clarified.
I think the most important point Br Daniel mentioned is that the real challenge for our Ummah and next generation in particular is not the subtle Aqeedah or Fiqh issues , but Liberalism and Feminism. He mentioned that there is this clear intention by falsehood to divide and distract the traditional Muslims on Aqeedah and Fiqh issues so that Feminism and Liberalism makes inroads into the Muslims.
Wrong. Aqeedah is always first. The prophet salallahualaihi wasalam propagated Islam to the idol worshippers to only worship Allah and Allah alone and to avoid Shirk. THIS is the true path to success
Yeah the divide and conquer is devastating. Where I come from we were recently introduced to democracy. With it can two party system. Now it's a comedy here. Nothing gets done. His points are spot on for me. After western lifestyles came people lost their sense of community. Capitalism came in. Poverty is getting higher. Which leads to conflicts. Knowing your enemies really help and what might come.
@@56Circular So Aqeedah is definitely important , but that's not the major issue in the Ummah - the attraction to a Liberal lifestyle is a far greater trial as of now. Our effort should focus on the need of the times .
No, your view is like that because his answers make sense to you. Why? Because your knowledge and his knowledge are at the same level they relate to each other. Just like him, everything else flew over his head.
So uthman says in the beginning he doesn’t know Daniel much then he is trying to make blanket statements about what Daniel believed and said , the only immature ones I believe and were passive was everyone but brother Daniel, stop trying to ambush and sabotage Daniel even after he explains his position, it seemed disgenuine and vicious with illintentions. May Allah guide us all I thought Daniel held his own and stood his ground in the best way possible
Disclaimer: (Long comment ) Brother Daniel @MuslimSkeptic is mashaAllah so brave to utter the word "Deobandi" and express the message of "Unity" among this somewhat strict and a little exclusionist-looking group of brothers. The tension is markedly observable but gladly such a challenging conversation has been started. I hope it will open up in the coming months and more ulama of both sides will have civil discussions like this - hopefully even better ones - and stand or sit shoulder to shoulder in unison for the sake of Allah. Leaving the differences aside and getting united for the common good is a big problem for shaytan, so let him feel the pain!!! I would like to thank you, Brother Daniel. You have manifested the true meaning of your surname, Haqiqatjou - you are the one after truth, haqiqat! MashaAllah. Your tone and serious stance fortunately have caused other brothers to behave in a nuanced way as well. I pray that they do not give up this nuanced approach. It would be a lot easier to speak against other groups in their absence but this has balanced the conversation. Many thanks to Sheikh Uthman, no need to talk about his commitment to the deen and dawah! Mashaallah to him as he resisted his internal urges to say more. May Allah bless him and unite our ulama and awam in the minimum requirements. Ameen. As per Sh Kareem, mashaAllah he is a great alim but maybe because of the number of messages he received, he looked "a little" more stressed and tense than other panellists. His initiation to make Brother Daniel repeat the kalima was not so kind, to be honest!!! Neither was it the wisest decision to make. Downgrading a Muslim brother and da'ee before hundreds (thousands online) would cause extra trouble but Daniel humbly took it and dealt with it without causing harm to the setting alhamdulillah. A big allahuakbar for his humility. Hope he keeps up, may Allah protect him and the students of knowledge from the sharr of kibr and ghurur. I was shocked to hear that they were serious to ask him to repeat the kalima but mashaAllah to everybody, "it went down well". So, salams and duas to all who organised this fruitful conference.
His decision to make daniel repeat the word is the one and real bridge ive seen in this video Daniel needs not to be humbled or whatsoever, its not like those words reduce him or humiliate him
@@asmrnaturecat984 SubhanAllah. Asking a Muslim da'ee whether he is a Muslim or not in front of hundreds (now millions) is normal for some people? Asking him to repeat the kalima as if he is a child or a non-Muslim shows something which is in and of itself derogatory and disgrace for not the one questioned but for the one who asks!
Okay I'd like to get straight into topic. I've read many of the comments here and honestly, brothers what's wrong? Why are we trying to split each other up? What happened? I've watched this video thoroughly and I'd agree that Sheikh Kharim might have sounded like we was "ambushing" Daniel, but we got the necessary clarifications all of us needed no? Daniel talked about his stance and clarified some of the misconceptions behind him. Sheikh Uthman respected this conversation and he wasn't even planning for it to happen, but it did and they handled it well. Sheikh Uthman cleared up on the importance of where someone gets knowledge from and how if he is not a qualified scholar, that they must not spread their beliefs and etc until they are qualified. They talked about some of the people that teach wrong Qaeedas and all that but that's besides the point, I've seen many comments here where some people insult Sheikh Uthman for example, or say oh I'm never going to support this dude or that guy. Guys guys what's going on? Alot of misconceptions we're cleared up, we got background information about these intelligent men, and they discussed some of the dangers of an unqualified person spreading his knowledge. What you people are doing here is splitting the Ummah even further and your just simply making those islamaphobes and hypocrites even more happy. Brothers we should thank all of them that went up there, we love Sheikh Uthman, Skeikh Karim, Daniel, and the Sheikh at the right (I apologize in advance I'm not familiar with him nor do I know him, it's the first time I see him but he seems genuine and a good respectable person) and we should not spread hate between us. Your just making your enemies glad. I'll be copy pasting this onto many of the comments.
Whats there to cringe here? It's only humility and nobody is an angel. Even if Daniel was right 100% of the time in the past, I don't see a problem doing this. Being too proud is a problem.
@@tmwuam you defend someone who insults a muslim that is a lion in dawah . who goes day after day giving dawah for free , has kids has work , teaches hadith . has a master on hadith ., he has my respect .
What? They wanted him to clarify some statements he said because the phones of Karim Abu Zaid & Uthman was going off like mad since Daniel said those things. That's the reason he's sat there. If anything it was a good opportunity to settle things. It may look like he's being interrogated but it's cleared the air up a bit
Bro these flipping copers man. How the hell are you gonna accuse Daniel of this when he’s actually in the right and then interrupt & cut him off once he starts bringing up daleel? Wtf man...
@@rocketbossgiovanni7487 And may His Dealings with me all Be Blessings Granted upon me and His Favor Granted upon me. Ameen. May Allah SWT Guide us all and Protect us all and Keep us guided and Keep us Protected. Ameen.
Conclusion:- they differed on a point. They clarified it. They called for the unity of the muslims throughout the video. I really feel blessed to be a muslim. This is sooo rare in other faiths. Logically.
It’s Daniel who’s trying to unite Muslims.m 38:58. The others were behaving like a cult. It was also distasteful that they tried to ambush the brother. But masha Allah he was humble and handled it eloquently.
@@mohamed-zy7iq it was definitely uncalled for to ambush like that but I wouldn’t go to an extreme and say cult. Daniel was very defensive and apprehensive when it was just about clarifying. That’s what turns this confrontation from a simple correction to what is now felt as an ambush. Leave the emotions out of it and they will come to the unified point much quicker. Daniel is great alhamdulillah but i just find him in general to lack perspective. This is not anything major and i think with wisdom this often times gets resolved. May Allah swt bless and guide us all. Ameen.
Daniel Haqiqatjou, may Allah always keep you strong as you are now... Ameen. Unity is the best way to go. There is no wasting of time whatsoever to approach a certain group, every moment is recorded to Allah.
Brother Daniel makes sense the most and the way he clarifies his points contains a lot of wisdom of having an attitude of inclusion as opposed to exclusion. Well done brother Daniel - a real one. 👏
Okay I'd like to get straight into topic. I've read many of the comments here and honestly, brothers what's wrong? Why are we trying to split each other up? What happened? I've watched this video thoroughly and I'd agree that Sheikh Kharim might have sounded like we was "ambushing" Daniel, but we got the necessary clarifications all of us needed no? Daniel talked about his stance and clarified some of the misconceptions behind him. Sheikh Uthman respected this conversation and he wasn't even planning for it to happen, but it did and they handled it well. Sheikh Uthman cleared up on the importance of where someone gets knowledge from and how if he is not a qualified scholar, that they must not spread their beliefs and etc until they are qualified. They talked about some of the people that teach wrong Qaeedas and all that but that's besides the point, I've seen many comments here where some people insult Sheikh Uthman for example, or say oh I'm never going to support this dude or that guy. Guys guys what's going on? Alot of misconceptions we're cleared up, we got background information about these intelligent men, and they discussed some of the dangers of an unqualified person spreading his knowledge. What you people are doing here is splitting the Ummah even further and your just simply making those islamaphobes and hypocrites even more happy. Brothers we should thank all of them that went up there, we love Sheikh Uthman, Skeikh Karim, Daniel, and the Sheikh at the right (I apologize in advance I'm not familiar with him nor do I know him, it's the first time I see him but he seems genuine and a good respectable person) and we should not spread hate between us. Your just making your enemies glad. I'll be copy pasting this onto many of the comments.
They attacked him like thugs and he stood like a lion and proved all valid points . I admire the work of Sheikh Uthman and Karim but lost respect for them on this one.
Respect to Daniel for sticking to his guns against these ultra-exclusionist older men, even after Daniel clarified his positions they are still making a point of causing disunity amongst the Muslims. They are hell-bent on cutting everybody out of the fold, everyone is all falsehood except them and their fan-boy club. May Allah soften the heart of those men and rectify their affairs.
Sheikh Uthman tried to use debating tactics which he uses with Non Muslim but he couldn't be more wrong - he tried to present DH as a unknowledgable no body who doesn't know what he talking about. . Kudos DH for not conceding and keeping it real
Sheikh Uthman was really arrogant here and tried little down Daniel. The problem with these traditionalists are that they are so caught with old aqeedahs, manhaj and so busy pointing their opinions right that they sometimes become the primary cause of creating sects.
@@Stealthy6 "old aqeedas". There is only ONE AQEEDA and it's the aqeeda the prophet alayhi salaam followed himself and taught it to the salaf. The problem is us trying to be shayookhs and imposing our own understanding of Islam without actually spending time sitting with actual scholars and studying it. Please repent of what you've said. May Allah forgive you and guide you to the straight path.
Great responses by brother Daniel on defending the ulema of Deoband. I have never come across a single "Deobandi" scholar that promotes or defends Qabr worship, Wahdatul wujood, bidah and the different accusations labeled toward them. It's imperative that we don't label a huge segment of the Muslim population with a broad brush, thus stigmatizing them as people of baatil. People need to wake up and see the reality of things.
You've not come across that many then, they can be the most deviated of ppl on basic aqeedah principles. What can be expected from a movement started based on a place?
SubhanAllah, it seems like Br Daniel was being attacked by these other scholars and Sh Uthman was really disappointing. He tried to discredit Daniel by saying he is not a scholar and that he was agnostic, like as if his background was questionable, so others should not listen to him. Great job Br Daniel for staying firm mashAllah.
Disagree. Infact he was reaffirming what Daniel said himself by saying effectively 'you, yourself have not claimed to be a scholar', this is actually a statement of support because for him to say he is is a problem, and he has never claimed to be.
@@someguy5063 then what did he say that offended people? Is it Saying that Halloween celeberations are haram and saudi govt shouldnt have allowed it? Whats wrong in that? Condemning haram acts is obligatory (heart, tongue, hands) whatever is possible.
@@hauntedgecko151 that's exactly what these people couldn't take: criticism of the Saydi govt. This whole conversation is a proof how Saudi is controlling these pseudo salafies
@@Abdullah.......... criticising Muslim rulers for their sins in public is against the sunnah, if you followed the real Islam then you wouldn’t complain, learn your deen
Brother Daniel has earned more respect from his supporters and lovers than ever..he is indeed the ommah's voice of its pain and struggles against the real enemy..may Allah bless you for your middleness and complete trustworthiness and all the efforts that you put in order to bring Muslims altogether against the real Batel
You know that the main message and most important one is tawheed "Worshipping allah alone"? The rest of the panel is asking him to focus on that instead of criticizing the rulers of muslim lands, something that he has no preceding scholar to do before him.
Allah says 'Obey' Allah and 'Obey' Prophet Muhammad saw but DID NOT say Obey the ruler. If the ruler is not obeying Allah and His Messenger than people should not obey him
Subhan Allah... being silent is dangerous aswell.. why did they cut daniel off when he mentionned about the silence of scholars then diverted the topic..
Okay I'd like to get straight into topic. I've read many of the comments here and honestly, brothers what's wrong? Why are we trying to split each other up? What happened? I've watched this video thoroughly and I'd agree that Sheikh Kharim might have sounded like we was "ambushing" Daniel, but we got the necessary clarifications all of us needed no? Daniel talked about his stance and clarified some of the misconceptions behind him. Sheikh Uthman respected this conversation and he wasn't even planning for it to happen, but it did and they handled it well. Sheikh Uthman cleared up on the importance of where someone gets knowledge from and how if he is not a qualified scholar, that they must not spread their beliefs and etc until they are qualified. They talked about some of the people that teach wrong Qaeedas and all that but that's besides the point, I've seen many comments here where some people insult Sheikh Uthman for example, or say oh I'm never going to support this dude or that guy. Guys guys what's going on? Alot of misconceptions we're cleared up, we got background information about these intelligent men, and they discussed some of the dangers of an unqualified person spreading his knowledge. What you people are doing here is splitting the Ummah even further and your just simply making those islamaphobes and hypocrites even more happy. Brothers we should thank all of them that went up there, we love Sheikh Uthman, Skeikh Karim, Daniel, and the Sheikh at the right (I apologize in advance I'm not familiar with him nor do I know him, it's the first time I see him but he seems genuine and a good respectable person) and we should not spread hate between us. Your just making your enemies glad. I'll be copy pasting this onto many of the comments.
Brother Daniel is very appealing to me,obviously he has a very high level of knowledge Mash'Allah but i think he is very rational and interesting as a person in general.May Allah bless you and your family Daniel.
~20:55 Making brother Haqiqatjou repeat after him like a child is extremely humiliating and insulting to him. Daniel shouldn't have accepted to do that.
Okay I'd like to get straight into topic. I've read many of the comments here and honestly, brothers what's wrong? Why are we trying to split each other up? What happened? I've watched this video thoroughly and I'd agree that Sheikh Kharim might have sounded like we was "ambushing" Daniel, but we got the necessary clarifications all of us needed no? Daniel talked about his stance and clarified some of the misconceptions behind him. Sheikh Uthman respected this conversation and he wasn't even planning for it to happen, but it did and they handled it well. Sheikh Uthman cleared up on the importance of where someone gets knowledge from and how if he is not a qualified scholar, that they must not spread their beliefs and etc until they are qualified. They talked about some of the people that teach wrong Qaeedas and all that but that's besides the point, I've seen many comments here where some people insult Sheikh Uthman for example, or say oh I'm never going to support this dude or that guy. Guys guys what's going on? Alot of misconceptions we're cleared up, we got background information about these intelligent men, and they discussed some of the dangers of an unqualified person spreading his knowledge. What you people are doing here is splitting the Ummah even further and your just simply making those islamaphobes and hypocrites even more happy. Brothers we should thank all of them that went up there, we love Sheikh Uthman, Skeikh Karim, Daniel, and the Sheikh at the right (I apologize in advance I'm not familiar with him nor do I know him, it's the first time I see him but he seems genuine and a good respectable person) and we should not spread hate between us. Your just making your enemies glad. I'll be copy pasting this onto many of the comments.
@@mz6137 it seems you did not see my other comments where i go into details of what's wrong. i did not insult shikh uthman not the shikh in the middle (sorry i forgot his name). in fact i even said that shikh uthman didn't know about this while the one who orchistrated it, the one in the middle as i am middle eastern living in the middle east, i can tell from his body language that there was no real maliciousness in what he was doing.... with that being said there was a high level of disrespect, the shikh in the middle did what the older generation do to kids to embaress them, he did not look at daniel as an equal or even someone in the samel field of work. as for splitting the Umah, are they not splitting the Ummah? have you not heard what daniel said? they want to join with people who are prob kufri rituals in action even though in words they say they are against it, they are against LGTV+ but activally work with them and give them a voice to influnce the muslims. on the other hand when it comes to aqeeda, most people don't even know the 6 simple pillers of iman much less care if Allah is on the throne and how he is on the throne. yet we all are affected by the LGTV+ propaganda, the liberal propaganda and so on. they were the ones pushing these shiukh to do this to daniel. they could have easily talked to daniel privately as they do have his contacts, do this conversation and then have a public conversation without any blindsiding to the public. most people who become religious to a degree of knowing their religion but still a layman, knowing the basics is good enough, the 6 articles of iman is good enough. frankly i do not care how Allah is on his throne, Allah said he is on his thron, khalas he is on his throne. it's as simple as that, those who want to argue back and forth they can argue, it's their own ishtihad as there is nothing in hte ahadith going into these kinds of details. what's between us and people is the quran and ahadith. when you work with these people and they tell you no allah is not on his throne physically, bla bla bla you say bring me from the ahadith or the quran that what you are saying is true, otherwise we take the apparent meaning. same for whdat alwujuud,how can we all within Allah and Allah within everything if Allah himself says he is not unlike anything else. plus you are basically saying Allah is in the dirty things in this world without going into details, it doesn't take long to make them understand. but if you cut those people off, their leaders will totally brainwash them so even something that is not logical will become logical to them.
@@PoeticSonic Okay I like your response. I'm from the Middle east myself too. I'd agree that the person in the middle might have seemed disrespectful, I would've just upright said Daniel you must clear your stance because of bla bla bla misconceptions behind you and all that and that would've been sufficient. He might've went overboard but I've seen some rediciolous comments here so I just copy pasted that comment everywhere. I saw people doing takfeer, swearing at these great Da3ees and Sheikhs, it really put a bad taste in my mouth. They all are great, they cleared up misconceptions, and even though one of them seemed disrespectful, we should not account for that one single bad part of this conversation but we should look at the overall picture and how this conversation had a net positive effect as it clarified alot of things. I'm really really upset to see people slander this great people, some people even pointed at me and called ma Kafir for that comment I sent, and called me a Salafi, Wahabi and what not. I'm a Muslim, I follow the teachings of The Quran, Sunnah, and the teachings of the great Salafs. Simple. We should all do the same. My entire point is that the people in these comments are going overboard at spreading rumors and doing takfeer.
@@mz6137 they are going overboard but it was due to these da3ees going overboard too. that's what happens when people feel like you are splitting the Umah of people doing day to day things right while joining in with the people that are corrupting us. btw some of the things they said and did goes against the salaf. they also take non muslim countries like egypt as muslim countries, they are muslim majority country, similar to tunis but it's a secular government. the supreme judge in egypt is christian, nothing in the law says that a non muslim can't rule if they were elected. the same with tunis that has offically separated the religion and state, more like is forcing islam to be something you only believe but not act upon. go actually listen to the taps daniel was talking about, all the great shiukh from al albani to uthaimeen, spoke very openly on this, they even went as far as saying there is no bai3a in this age. btw i'm from the opinion that is against rebelion first and formost and i'm somewhat against the way daniel does his critque not becuase he names names or not, that is just bs, but becuase it goes back to the basics of maslaha. and i believe that there is less maslaha with the way daniel does when it comes to the level of critique but that's just my person opinion it's not something i can call someone a kafir over. and these shiukh are going to the opposite extreme, they say daniel is living in one part of the world while saying things like that while people living i those countries are affected. the same goes for them too, these people are neutering the real dawah, they may be enjoying on good, but they are not forbidding evil, they are forbidding the forbidding of evil. they are just as bad if not worse. as someone from the middle east and i know you probably know this too, most the great shiukh are in jail and this isn't anything new and has been the case for as long as there have been islam after the death of the prophets and the 4 great khalifs. frankly with all due respect, shikh uthman mostly does dawah to christians and struggles with others, while in muslim countries we don't need dawah for christians we need dawah for "muslims". in fact even the dawah he does for christians he can't do in "muslim countries" if he was in egypt, he would have been taken straight to jail, many did even much more milder comparative religion dawah and got jailed for years and years. and these people want people who are able to do dawah from the outside yet reach those in the inside to stop doing that type of dawah. it's disgusting. i didn't even mention how they don't even follow their own rules, did you catch how the shikh said mubarak rather than morsi, he would rather take the fusaaak rather than one that is religious such as morsi beucase morsi was affiliated with the bortherhood, so to him the brotherhood is worse than the kufaar. and they see no problem with criticizing morsi even though he was a muslim leader. they have no problem with criticizing leaders in gaza becuase they were affiliated with the brotherhood but don't you dare criticize any leader of "muslim" and muslim countries who are allied with the kufar and many of whom are clearly just puppets. i guess in their eyes you can't be a real muslim leader unless you are a puppet to the kuffar. and you might say i'm going too far, but prove me wrong. do they not always shit on the palestinian resistance who ARE the leaders over muslim land for taking weapons from the only people who are willing to give them weapons, iran. yet we should stfu and not say anything when muslim countries take weapons from israel and even go on fun joy rides testing their new weapons on the people of gaza. as i said disgusting
Wahdatul wujood, tavizs and visiting graves are strawman issues, since they were misrepresented. Also DH is correct a deobandi may even be a liberal, modernist
Mashallah Daniel my dear brother you brought tears to my eyes with exactly what you repeated that shows you are not arrogant and you’ll succeed more than you can imagine inshallah than a few TH-camrs.
this should've definitely definitely definitely been done in a private sitting. i love brother daniel... i love his work... i love brother uthman and his work
I am really feeling ashamed to see this kind of behaviour from Sheikh Uthman and Abu Karim.. So the truth is that our most of the scholars are with Saudi government who are legalizing all haram things in Saudi Arabia. Wow!
Of course. They need that Saudi dollar for a living. It's shameful that someone like Uthman who doesn't even know Arabic can try to discredit Daniel as not being a scholar when he himself isn't one as well.
Kinda feels, dishonorable and disgusting what they tried to do. Especially the third guy that came up, spoke blatant lie, when he said if a ruler says that zina is halal, then the scholars should condemn without naming names this is Murji'ah ideology not Ahl al-Sunnah. Because if a ruler says that Zina is halal then this is not a thing to condemn and correct, because this makes the ruler kaffir. This is plain kufr.
Murji'ah will often say that legislating by other than the Sharia is a major sin and not Kufr(either Asghar or Akbar) and that you have to obey ANY ruler who rules over Muslim majority land...plus you should also obey someone who takes themselves out of the fold of Islam. They will also assign you to the Khawarij or at least the mindset of a Khariji if you disagree with them. They are not true Salafiyyah. These people are VERY misguided. BarakAllahu Feekum🖤🤍
Imagine cross examining Daniel like that 🤦🏻♂️ This whole thing is classic expression of what pseudo salafism really is. They have an extraordinary ego coupled with child like knowledge. Notice when Daniel layed down the arguments Karim went mute 😂
Sheikh karim should have done the same to omar suleiman. He should have said to omar & yaqeen institute "pls stop doing this. Pls stop liasing with the liberals and lgbt movement. We already have the momentum". Or if sheikh have guts, it started with halloweenn in saudi. So pls advice the ruler of saudi not to do it. Stop the normalisation progress with israel. Only then it would be fair. What daniel did today is a response to what the saudi ruler did (at the higher level) and a response to what omar suleiman & jonathan & yaqeen institute did (wrt lgbt & liberalism) You people stop. Then daniel will stop. Did sheikh karim dare to do it? Thats the question.
Daniel wins this debate hands down. Shaykh Uthman was awful and incorrect about Deobandi aqeedah. If there are differences then same difference exist between salafi. It also shows the hypocrisy they have to criticize deobandi and then also talk in same breath about uniting muslim ummah and building bridges for dawah
Tis uthman guy is very arrogant. He is sounding like he is debating an atheist or something. Why u asking him to relax. He seems more relaxed than u uthman
Usman Farooq forgot those deoband bring him to the right path. Now he think he has so much knowledge, his ego grow and start finding fault in everyone. May Allah fix his heart.
Assalamualaikum ustaad Daniel I think it's very clear these people are trying to sideline you, in the UK most of the deobandi hanafi are not grave worshippers or hayathi and we manliy find this from the barelwi hanafi, so for them to claim that you should sit with them if you don't understand these issues is a joke it is them that should sit with you coz either they have misunderstood or they are doing this so they can eventually push you out then again maybe they done too many linines of powder back in the day. Daniel keep up the fight but I'm sure you know you will find your self with only a few true men as true men are only know during hardship Allah bless you ameen
If a lion is walking outside. And you told your friend to not leave the house, but he insisted, left the house and got killed. Who do you blame???????????
@@Jaafar_Alkhalifa wrong example What happened in Egypt is like a pressure cooker ... if you don't address it... it will explode and this what happened it exploded ... you can't blame the people for what happened
Daniel Haqiqatjou May Allah SWT Reward you and keep on Blessing you. You have Strong Backbone And don’t listen to “Those” Around You that has Zero Backbones because they are the cause of the Pathetic State, the Ummah is in Now.
This ambush tactic is commonly known about the charlatans of Madkhalis. For those who lived and stayed with them knows very well, others have no idea about the reality of this cult.
I saw the whole thing And the way they treated danail was so out of line The middle man really needs to fix up his mannerisms Uthman I love watching your videos But as a muslim individual You could've discuss this in person I feel like giving brother Daniel a hug M'shaAllah he kept his composure And I felt really sorry for him Embarrassing They should've kept this 100 per cent pure
Daniel is not formally trained as the other scholars but his background in philosophy makes him a great asset for the ummah - the small details the majority of Muslims don’t care.
I'm sorry. The unlce in the middle is not that knowledgeable and quiet arrogant. The audacity on the line of questioning. Ajeeb. Also wants to sit with omar Suleiman and thats Ok? The double standards, hypocrisy. What I took from this video. That Daniel is far more learned then most of the panel and what they think of him.
Emotional Daniel fanboys and fangirls spamming the comment section! LoL!! Only if they could understand what poison Daniel is providing to them. Feel sorry for Daniel too. Because he is in a daydream of uniting all the muslims as one. The hadith of 73 sects is something you can never avoid Daniel, never!! It's the reality that you can not but embrace! The only possible way to unite all the muslims is the one you are intentionally avoiding and that is Aqeedah! May Allah give Daniel and his fanboys/fangirls to understand the importance of aqeedah! Ameen!
@@rayyoplayer5711 most people don't even have the capability of understanding and grasping many of the indepth issues and discussions of aqeedah... its arrogant to push this agenda on to the layman.... Even ibn taymiyah expresses that this subject is not for the layman.. What is the wrong aqeedah? We have slight differences in aqeedah NOT every difference is a cause for HELL , And absolutely NOT for the layman. Typical that those with this pushing and forcefulness of Aqeedah are always the one to point fingers OF TAKFEER AND HELL UPON PEOPLE. DO tauba akhi.
@@AccentuateMedia He came to a conference. He did not come for this discussion to this conference. This is called ambushing.stop being ignorant. The irony is that brother Uthman has been CALLED MANY TIMES and challenged but he's afraid to discuss this with people who have knowledge in this field. Brother Danyal is NOT a master in the field of aqeedah etc.. he does great effort in discussion and debate with non Muslims. This is an Ambush when you isolate someone like this, who does not have the capability or knowledge nor do they claim they do,and start forcefully discussing things that where not mentioned. Taking all that in to account Brother danyal done extremely well..and kept composed in the face of this attempt.
Laa 7aula wa laa quwwata illa bi Allaah. Respect to brother Daniel. May Allaah protect us from the evil of those cloaked with the garment of Islaam while discretely propagating the sinister ways of the shaitaan.
The conclusion speech by Sh. Karim at 44:00 sounds like a continued admonishment of Bro. Daniel. The fact that he did this after Daniel clarified his position shows a lack of critical thinking toward a brother who has put real work into understanding the multidimensional nature of our dilemma, and a lack of empathy toward a brother who truly cares about our current plight. This attitude will only continue siloing people into groups or drive them away altogether. May Allah guide us, amin.
They had an agenda. Because they are with the saudi rulers. They set up this little trick. Let us question him in front of everyone about his teachers and his aqeedah and if we can find holes ooh mission accomplished we disqualify Daniel in front of the whole ummah.
Respect to brother Daniel for bringing nuance/reality to this conference. Daniel is a legend for speaking the truth to everyone, ma sha Allah he has a backbone which some people lack.
Daniel is an Ikhwani
@@ponderingspirit1475 What is an ikhwani LOL 😂?
@@ponderingspirit1475 lool we're all ikhwanis, deobandis, Sufis, deviants, until we only follow select sheikhs from the middle East. If this is not a cult then I don't know what is.
@@irrelevant9424
They use that word to shame people who actually want unity in the Ummah.
Daniel the Lion. The only reason I would go to a conference like this would be because Daniel would be there.
I have more respect for brother Daniel for his stoicism and his openess than rhe majority of the others doing Dawah. Big respect to you brother Daniel for keeping it 100. MashaAlllah
Who are the others you are attacking baselessly?
What do you mean by keeping it 100? That he's arguing why his statement of saying I'm a big Deobandi fan without any clarification is not controversial?
He's clearly the least knowledgeable among the ones in the panel and he's completely missing the point.
Stoicism is haram
@@Jaafar_Alkhalifawhat is the problem with deobandi? I don't find any accusation of shiekh uthman of deobandi scholars
@@Eskotericstoicism is sunnah
@@endless782
dan was in error!
There were pictures of qubur in big tabligi masjids. This opposes Sahih M. 532, book of Masjids.
I have seen tabligi or deoband Ashari imams say Allah is everywhere. Not good. Quran says Allah is over His Throne, hadith of the abd bint, miraj, farewell haj prove this. Sahih M. Kitab iman says there is a barrier between Allah and creation.
From Tauhid is Allah is separate from creation.
Quran 20.46 shows Allah is with us Hearing and Seeing.
Daniel brother you are absolutely a gift for western Muslim and also whole ummah💚💚
He lies against and slander Muslims who disagree with him
Western Muslim is different from Muslims ?
what exactly is a western muslim?
He is a Nazi!
Is that what you call muslim? the one who slander, name calling and label other muslims who don't agree with him? If arrogance and ignorance is charisma in your eyes, then it's your problem. Do not bring all "wester muslim" since you don't represent us.
That was disgusting what Sh Karim did to Daniel.
Wallahi it was disgusting
Daniel played it off cool though and with class 😂
@@Crime_pays what'd he do?
@@Ibrahim.l20 I feel like he was almost making the man retake his shahada at one point 🤣
Fr that’s what I was thinking lol
Sheikh Karim should issue a public apology for this . What a disgraceful act
daniel moving like a heavyweight. may allah
elevate his status & keep him straight
sky is the limit. he can become the head of the islamic-community Hawaii
_you name it_
He is definitely a heavyweight, an overweight guy who spends most of his time at home posting on social media
@@danishbhatt9116 I’m sure he can knock you out by mere touching
you can’t touch muslims. begone troll
@@danishbhatt9116 Subhanallah, he is gaining your good deeds. Brother DH has achieved and pushed Islam forward far more than you could even dream of doing.
Daniel talking about gender roles and duties when all he does is stay at home and post on social media lol
Daniel is operating on a level far beyond uthman and at times he, Sh. Othman comes off as antagonizing. He told Daniel to relax when he was already calm which only shows that HE needed to relax.
Daniel sees the big picture and addresses real issues while other sheikhs are like children fighting with one another. He is who the shayateen are really after and that's we need to support him...
جزاك الله تعالى خير اخي Daniel
Bro stop giving comment like this, we all see that they clarify thing that misunderstood and people has they own way.. at the end they manage settle thing in a good way... we shud make duaa that all muslim is must solidarity
Farooq dude knew he was in the wrong and tried to cover his tracks by portraying Daniel as the little knowledable guy , but in reality Farooq with his closed mindset tripped on his own gown ,. Daniel was a cool calm debater /collector who actually addressed indirect attack like a gentleman . Respect . Shows that Farooq actually has knowledge but will use to further his closed mindset .
He told him relax because Daniel started approaching the discussion as if it was a debate, replying in bad faith and accusing sheikh uthman of straw-maning him... how is this a proper way of discussion???
The second important point is that daniel is the one who requested this to happen.
@@mnoorbhaiWords of absolute ignorance and naivety. Sheikh Uthman was trying to justify for Daniel why he was misunderstood. Saying you're a scholar is a huge responsibility, it's not a child's game.
Daniel took it in bad faith as if sheikh uthman was degrading him, and S. uthman followed up by saying I'm not undermining your knowledge but clarifying to those that misunderstood your statements.
And here you are saying the opposite. I can't believe that your love for daniel is blinding you like this! it's crazy.
@@Jaafar_Alkhalifa i think the shk was picking on Daniel who stayed cool and calm .
Daniel has opened the minds of the Muslim youth.
Exactly!
Alhamdulilah
Yes because youth are emotional and unintelligent. Provocation, name calling, slander are the standard that they gravitating towards and those are the things Daniel brings to the table. Wisdom doesn't attract the youth. To them, rebellion based on ignorance and arrogance is charisma. Well, I guess fools will follow the fool because they're the only one they can understand and relate to.
@@geniunerf4868😂 that’s a joke right ?
@@orwellianyoutube8978he’s a misguided individual.
I only came across brother Daniel when this recent attack on our brothers/sisters in Palestine occurred. Saw his tweets, checked his TH-cam channel and immediately started to gain knowledge that satisfied my heart.
I genuinely feel like he speaks for Muslims with no agenda at all but getting the ummah stronger.
Dan deals with effects, not causes. He ignores bida which spIit the umma that helped non Muslims fight.
@@abdebnadam6237
The external enemy is trying to erase us. No harm to ignore minor bidaas for a while now
@@angosalvo5734ignore my fellow brothers and sisters committing acts of bidah that'll lead them to the fire????
@@slaveofgod3481 did you read what I said?
Can't you think about priorities?
If a Muslim who has some bidaa that isn't putting him outside of the circle of Islam, is under attack. Then instead of helping him you go pointing his obvious mistakes?
This called سفاهة
@angosalvo5734 your first point is important. But you put minor and bidah in the same sentence and said ignore them. Nah, bidah leads to hell fire.
Well said brother danial regarding staying United and looking past differences. Mashallah TabarakAllah
Not looking past - but putting our differences on hold - that is what he is saying
But how are far we supposed to go and accept the "diffrence" is it their fiqh or does it also include aqidah ?
Brother Daniel the ummah loves you. You are the mouthpiece for the common Muslim man/woman. You say what we are all thinking and you do it unapologetically. Ma sha Allah
Okay I'd like to get straight into topic. I've read many of the comments here and honestly, brothers what's wrong? Why are we trying to split each other up? What happened? I've watched this video thoroughly and I'd agree that Sheikh Kharim might have sounded like we was "ambushing" Daniel, but we got the necessary clarifications all of us needed no? Daniel talked about his stance and clarified some of the misconceptions behind him. Sheikh Uthman respected this conversation and he wasn't even planning for it to happen, but it did and they handled it well. Sheikh Uthman cleared up on the importance of where someone gets knowledge from and how if he is not a qualified scholar, that they must not spread their beliefs and etc until they are qualified. They talked about some of the people that teach wrong Qaeedas and all that but that's besides the point, I've seen many comments here where some people insult Sheikh Uthman for example, or say oh I'm never going to support this dude or that guy. Guys guys what's going on? Alot of misconceptions we're cleared up, we got background information about these intelligent men, and they discussed some of the dangers of an unqualified person spreading his knowledge. What you people are doing here is splitting the Ummah even further and your just simply making those islamaphobes and hypocrites even more happy. Brothers we should thank all of them that went up there, we love Sheikh Uthman, Skeikh Karim, Daniel, and the Sheikh at the right (I apologize in advance I'm not familiar with him nor do I know him, it's the first time I see him but he seems genuine and a good respectable person) and we should not spread hate between us. Your just making your enemies glad. I'll be copy pasting this onto many of the comments.
Love brother Daniel
@@mz6137 It doesn't matter how well this was handled, it doesn't matter how much clarification others get, this isn't a way to ambush someone. No props to Br. Uthman or Br. Karim. It was only because of Daniel's calmness, this didn't turn ugly. You always ask others to deal these in private? Where did that advice go? Asking Daniel to not to speak on certain topics just because some immature brothers of salaf(as said by Br. Karim) is fair? Since when? It's these neo salafis making thakfir, splitting the ummah and making others happy.
Why u scared to share your thoughts
Unfortunately this channel is anti-Islamic in its context. The name "ahnaf" is used to catch non-Salafis out. I've deleted any comments on this video and will not be watching anything else by this "creator", for the greater good of Islam.
MashaAllah Br Daniel is very calm and composed May Allah keep him steadfast Ameen
Ameen ya Rabb, Daniel doesn't take any nonsense
My love for Daniel increased after watching this, he is a very honest and beneficial man for the Ummah.
SubhanaAllah. Soccer club. My love for my team increased
Daniel is an Ikhwani
@@ponderingspirit1475 better than a Madkhali
@@ponderingspirit1475 No he's not. Stop false accusations.
@@ponderingspirit1475 better than madkhali....
Much respect to our Brother Daniel. Allahumma barik!
alhamdulillah he speaks the truth in front of everyone these cultists cant handle it.
After this debate one can clearly see how Allah can put love and respect in the hearts of people for the person who is on haq.
May Allah protect Brother Daniel and keep him steadfast on the Deen.
The fact you called it a debate shows how out of the loop you are.
I can say the same about sheikh uthman and kareem or Ibrahim. This is not a matter of football teams and who you should cheer for.
It's about knowledge in Islam and following the truth. Daniel is undeniably the least knowledgeable among them, they are just too respectful to call it out blatantly, but all three made general comments addressing the mistakes he fell in.
Brother Daniel is doing amazing work in refuting modern liberal ideologies, but he must not overstep his boundaries of knowledge.
Daniel is the most middle of the path guy and I appreciate his sensibilities and intellect and ability to reason.
Daniel is an Ikhwani
@@ponderingspirit1475
When everyone speaking common sense just seems like an ikhwani, that’s a sign that you should reevaluate where you lean.
@@Kimeikus We actually have to deal with this kind of retards, time wasters, boot lickers
Middle??? 😂😂😂😂
@@ponderingspirit1475 Here comes the madqali bootlicker
brother daniel was ambushed but he was calm and confident and handled it well
Lol what were watching.he was weaseling like a weasel
Okay I'd like to get straight into topic. I've read many of the comments here and honestly, brothers what's wrong? Why are we trying to split each other up? What happened? I've watched this video thoroughly and I'd agree that Sheikh Kharim might have sounded like we was "ambushing" Daniel, but we got the necessary clarifications all of us needed no? Daniel talked about his stance and clarified some of the misconceptions behind him. Sheikh Uthman respected this conversation and he wasn't even planning for it to happen, but it did and they handled it well. Sheikh Uthman cleared up on the importance of where someone gets knowledge from and how if he is not a qualified scholar, that they must not spread their beliefs and etc until they are qualified. They talked about some of the people that teach wrong Qaeedas and all that but that's besides the point, I've seen many comments here where some people insult Sheikh Uthman for example, or say oh I'm never going to support this dude or that guy. Guys guys what's going on? Alot of misconceptions we're cleared up, we got background information about these intelligent men, and they discussed some of the dangers of an unqualified person spreading his knowledge. What you people are doing here is splitting the Ummah even further and your just simply making those islamaphobes and hypocrites even more happy. Brothers we should thank all of them that went up there, we love Sheikh Uthman, Skeikh Karim, Daniel, and the Sheikh at the right (I apologize in advance I'm not familiar with him nor do I know him, it's the first time I see him but he seems genuine and a good respectable person) and we should not spread hate between us. Your just making your enemies glad. I'll be copy pasting this onto many of the comments.
@@imsoniceee why the harsh criticism? I didn't hear him saying anything that sounded disingenuous. I've avoided him on TH-cam because of what others said. While I might disagree with some of his stances he didn't say anything indefensible.
@@mz6137 SubhanAllah I just wrote the same thing just much less eloquently. InshaAllah we are believers that recognize one another in this dunya and the akhira
@@jumatron2060Ameen and may Allah SWT guide us all
May Allah bless you all. But as far as Debate concerned , even Sheikh Uthman can not handle Brother Daniel Haqiqatjou. Daniel is master of Debate. It may be advantageous or disadvantageous to him. Allah knows best .
Uthman is no Sheikh, he's a self taught dawah boy who peddles scientific miracle nonsense
@@al-kimiya6962 Brother Al kimiya, If we see Past scholars of India , they shown even with the different in Aqidah they came together and established big institutions and for benefits of general Muslim Public. For example “Nadwatul Ulama” established by Scholars included Atharis, Asharis and Maturidis . They worked together as part of Ahlu Sunnah. That is what we required now by the Scholars. Even though I strongly accept that Athari creed is most correct and followed by the Four Great Imams without doubt. But we can not exclude Asharis and Maturidis from Ahlu Sunnah.
@@Bilal-BS I'm 100% with you on that and I'm Ashari-Maturudi myself, indeed we need to unite irrespective of our aqida differences against the onslaught of liberalism, feminism etc.
I was talking about Uthman, he's no Shaykh, he's just another self taught dawahman and he's also a madhkali.
Forget debate. Lets deal with truth man. Ya’ll treating islam and debates and some entertainment thing.
@@user-ew1xu4wq4k Calm down . Don’t be emotional. Don’t straw man . Who said about entertaining. Similarly I can not say to you “lick some boots” why should I assume like that ? I said debate can Be disadvantageous too if you are not getting Truth . Allah knows best . And Leave Negative assumption.
In the 30th minute Shaikh Uthman starts promoting Salafism.... This is what is destroying Islam ....
Sects has battered and butchered our Deen...
He has clearly stated that he “follows the way of the salaf e salaheen” he speaks extensively on the methodology of the first generation of Muslims. You’re being disingenuous and have ulterior motives.
@@ysh4539 You are barking up the wrong tree brother ....
@@we_the_guided that’s a very cliche way to say you’re intimidated.
@@ysh4539 Still barking up the wrong tree....
Brother Usman has embarrassed himself. This is being really polite.
How did he embararrsed himself? he was just trying to teach danail about some issues
@@user-ue4fh5mv9s it was pretty disgusting really, casting doubt on whole group of Muslims, borderline takfeering.
Yes he really embarassed himself alhamdulillah
Does he have anything to teach to anyone beside his arrogance?
The sheer arrogance of these self righteous salafi scholars is a sight to behold!
Kudos to br Daniel for standing his ground while maintaining his composure against such a rude onslaught
Sheer arrogance of nobody calling shaykhs "Self righteous"
It’s not arrogance mate, it’s that they care about Daniel’s akhirah, they want to ensure that he goes to Heaven, and on that he’s an extremely valuable asset in the fight against Liberalism, and a very knowledgeable individual, who has come under a lot of unwarranted criticism. Hence, they want to ensure that his Aqeedah is correct and that he is rewarded in the Akhirah for his hard work in this world!
This is called love brother, if they didn’t love him, they wouldn’t have gone to this extent to ensure that everything is clarified.
@@Anonymous-rz6vq only naive would believe that
Shiekh Fahad well said
@@sheikhfahad2436 irony 😂
I hope Brother Daniel never goes to this conference again.
Brother Daniel never said to rebel against the ruler he only criticized Saudi Arabia for celebrating Christmas
halloween
@@ummrawamus Correct
I like Daniel's debates.
Why Sheikh uthman feel insult & angry very frequently.
@@dr.zisreligious let me guess, you're not a Muslim?
Sister milahan how are you
I think the most important point Br Daniel mentioned is that the real challenge for our Ummah and next generation in particular is not the subtle Aqeedah or Fiqh issues , but Liberalism and Feminism. He mentioned that there is this clear intention by falsehood to divide and distract the traditional Muslims on Aqeedah and Fiqh issues so that Feminism and Liberalism makes inroads into the Muslims.
Wrong. Aqeedah is always first. The prophet salallahualaihi wasalam propagated Islam to the idol worshippers to only worship Allah and Allah alone and to avoid Shirk. THIS is the true path to success
The main point is, some scholars are bootlickers. Brother Daniel is bringing light upon them.
Yeah the divide and conquer is devastating. Where I come from we were recently introduced to democracy. With it can two party system. Now it's a comedy here. Nothing gets done. His points are spot on for me. After western lifestyles came people lost their sense of community. Capitalism came in. Poverty is getting higher. Which leads to conflicts. Knowing your enemies really help and what might come.
@@56Circular So Aqeedah is definitely important , but that's not the major issue in the Ummah - the attraction to a Liberal lifestyle is a far greater trial as of now. Our effort should focus on the need of the times .
Thus a corrupt approach. The reason why liberalism affects us so much is because of our corrupt aqeedah
I think brother Daniel did not change his position and this amazed me. What he did actually he exposed the immature blind supporters of rulers..
yes
Daniel is an Ikhwani
@@ponderingspirit1475
And your evidence?
I don't think Daniel is strictly salafi, but he made sure to quote from scholars they see as authorities. Which shows wisdom
@@musti12312
I can’t admit or deny because he was a Shia so it would take a time to see his aqeeda in what manhaj
My respect for Br Daniel has increased after watching this. I'm sure it will be the same for a lot of other viewers too.
always knew he was a real one he is not a cultist like the others.
No, your view is like that because his answers make sense to you. Why? Because your knowledge and his knowledge are at the same level they relate to each other. Just like him, everything else flew over his head.
@@fullsendit292 just like him, you're name calling and labeling other muslims without proof. May Allah deal with you and Daniel.
So uthman says in the beginning he doesn’t know Daniel much then he is trying to make blanket statements about what Daniel believed and said , the only immature ones I believe and were passive was everyone but brother Daniel, stop trying to ambush and sabotage Daniel even after he explains his position, it seemed disgenuine and vicious with illintentions. May Allah guide us all I thought Daniel held his own and stood his ground in the best way possible
Disclaimer: (Long comment )
Brother Daniel @MuslimSkeptic is mashaAllah so brave to utter the word "Deobandi" and express the message of "Unity" among this somewhat strict and a little exclusionist-looking group of brothers. The tension is markedly observable but gladly such a challenging conversation has been started. I hope it will open up in the coming months and more ulama of both sides will have civil discussions like this - hopefully even better ones - and stand or sit shoulder to shoulder in unison for the sake of Allah. Leaving the differences aside and getting united for the common good is a big problem for shaytan, so let him feel the pain!!!
I would like to thank you, Brother Daniel. You have manifested the true meaning of your surname, Haqiqatjou - you are the one after truth, haqiqat! MashaAllah. Your tone and serious stance fortunately have caused other brothers to behave in a nuanced way as well. I pray that they do not give up this nuanced approach. It would be a lot easier to speak against other groups in their absence but this has balanced the conversation.
Many thanks to Sheikh Uthman, no need to talk about his commitment to the deen and dawah! Mashaallah to him as he resisted his internal urges to say more. May Allah bless him and unite our ulama and awam in the minimum requirements. Ameen.
As per Sh Kareem, mashaAllah he is a great alim but maybe because of the number of messages he received, he looked "a little" more stressed and tense than other panellists. His initiation to make Brother Daniel repeat the kalima was not so kind, to be honest!!! Neither was it the wisest decision to make. Downgrading a Muslim brother and da'ee before hundreds (thousands online) would cause extra trouble but Daniel humbly took it and dealt with it without causing harm to the setting alhamdulillah. A big allahuakbar for his humility. Hope he keeps up, may Allah protect him and the students of knowledge from the sharr of kibr and ghurur. I was shocked to hear that they were serious to ask him to repeat the kalima but mashaAllah to everybody, "it went down well". So, salams and duas to all who organised this fruitful conference.
Nothing went down well. What you talking about akhi? Btw Allah bless br Daniel
@@kafakir Have you read it all? Or only fhe last sentence?
@@logicalson .
His decision to make daniel repeat the word is the one and real bridge ive seen in this video
Daniel needs not to be humbled or whatsoever, its not like those words reduce him or humiliate him
@@asmrnaturecat984 SubhanAllah. Asking a Muslim da'ee whether he is a Muslim or not in front of hundreds (now millions) is normal for some people? Asking him to repeat the kalima as if he is a child or a non-Muslim shows something which is in and of itself derogatory and disgrace for not the one questioned but for the one who asks!
This was one of the most uncomfortable conversations I’ve seen in my life 😂
Super awkward lol
True
This would have been best of they have sit altogether before this event
@@bewiththetruthalways5637 this talk lit a fire under Daniel... He unleashed beast mode lol
More coming your way. For that's what islam is from the first shahabas.
Can't believe this happened... i didn't expect that from people like uthman bin farooq
Farooq is a jaahil that poses a Shaykh, this wasn't a surprise
these people are very backwards. They can't tolerate any dissent, and I expect they will remove him from AIM soon.
Daniel is an Ikhwani
Associate with Wahabi dogs and get bitten …
@@ponderingspirit1475 يا ليل حتى عند مسلمي العجم تقولون اخوان ههههههههههههههههههه
20:49
I am dying of cringe right now 💀
brother Daniel was very gentle and humble. love him more
Okay I'd like to get straight into topic. I've read many of the comments here and honestly, brothers what's wrong? Why are we trying to split each other up? What happened? I've watched this video thoroughly and I'd agree that Sheikh Kharim might have sounded like we was "ambushing" Daniel, but we got the necessary clarifications all of us needed no? Daniel talked about his stance and clarified some of the misconceptions behind him. Sheikh Uthman respected this conversation and he wasn't even planning for it to happen, but it did and they handled it well. Sheikh Uthman cleared up on the importance of where someone gets knowledge from and how if he is not a qualified scholar, that they must not spread their beliefs and etc until they are qualified. They talked about some of the people that teach wrong Qaeedas and all that but that's besides the point, I've seen many comments here where some people insult Sheikh Uthman for example, or say oh I'm never going to support this dude or that guy. Guys guys what's going on? Alot of misconceptions we're cleared up, we got background information about these intelligent men, and they discussed some of the dangers of an unqualified person spreading his knowledge. What you people are doing here is splitting the Ummah even further and your just simply making those islamaphobes and hypocrites even more happy. Brothers we should thank all of them that went up there, we love Sheikh Uthman, Skeikh Karim, Daniel, and the Sheikh at the right (I apologize in advance I'm not familiar with him nor do I know him, it's the first time I see him but he seems genuine and a good respectable person) and we should not spread hate between us. Your just making your enemies glad. I'll be copy pasting this onto many of the comments.
Ikr!! This was so embarrassing, these oldies should do better.
Whats there to cringe here? It's only humility and nobody is an angel.
Even if Daniel was right 100% of the time in the past, I don't see a problem doing this. Being too proud is a problem.
Fr fr
They didn’t give him an opportunity to explain himself just cornered him flat out.
Problem with these old people
@@aspire7860
Problem with salafis
Brother Daniel is just on another level
Brother Daniel always speaks the truth, out loud. 🤝❤️
@mohammed ahmed hasan Idk if there are bots that are there to praise him or if they are so delusional they just ignored the discussion.
@mohammed ahmed hasan ameen
Daniel is A DISPICABLE LIAR...The Muslim can ONLY unite upon the TRUTH, NOT FALSEHOOD AND DEVIATIONS...
@@Jammylune how's he a liar?
@mohammed ahmed hasan okay? Give a reason for your statement
Why did they invite him to the conference when they can't appreciate the difference of opinion . Respect for Daniel haqiqatjou
Spot on brother, because they bootlickers.
@@khaderlander2429 wow dont call sheikh utman ibn farooq bootlicker
@@BluetekFREEGAMES No need to call him a Sheikh either.
@@tmwuam you defend someone who insults a muslim that is a lion in dawah . who goes day after day giving dawah for free , has kids has work , teaches hadith . has a master on hadith ., he has my respect .
What? They wanted him to clarify some statements he said because the phones of Karim Abu Zaid & Uthman was going off like mad since Daniel said those things. That's the reason he's sat there. If anything it was a good opportunity to settle things. It may look like he's being interrogated but it's cleared the air up a bit
Bro these flipping copers man. How the hell are you gonna accuse Daniel of this when he’s actually in the right and then interrupt & cut him off once he starts bringing up daleel? Wtf man...
Coper? Are you a black piller ?
@@rocketbossgiovanni7487 Red, black, whatever. I’m familiar with them all and see the truth in all of them.
@@JamesBond-wv9xz may Allaah deal with you swiftly
@@JamesBond-wv9xz you dont speak for women, you chad worshipping shirkist.
@@rocketbossgiovanni7487 And may His Dealings with me all Be Blessings Granted upon me and His Favor Granted upon me. Ameen. May Allah SWT Guide us all and Protect us all and Keep us guided and Keep us Protected. Ameen.
Conclusion:- they differed on a point. They clarified it. They called for the unity of the muslims throughout the video.
I really feel blessed to be a muslim.
This is sooo rare in other faiths. Logically.
Not so rare now a days to witness bootlicking stupidity as well
Lol it was the most uncomfortable conversation I've seen in a long time. They tried to ambush Daniel.
Thank you so much for this comment. inshAllah people have this way of perspective and thinking. Ameen (to the original comment)
It’s Daniel who’s trying to unite Muslims.m 38:58. The others were behaving like a cult. It was also distasteful that they tried to ambush the brother. But masha Allah he was humble and handled it eloquently.
@@mohamed-zy7iq it was definitely uncalled for to ambush like that but I wouldn’t go to an extreme and say cult. Daniel was very defensive and apprehensive when it was just about clarifying. That’s what turns this confrontation from a simple correction to what is now felt as an ambush.
Leave the emotions out of it and they will come to the unified point much quicker.
Daniel is great alhamdulillah but i just find him in general to lack perspective. This is not anything major and i think with wisdom this often times gets resolved.
May Allah swt bless and guide us all. Ameen.
Daniel Haqiqatjou, may Allah always keep you strong as you are now... Ameen. Unity is the best way to go. There is no wasting of time whatsoever to approach a certain group, every moment is recorded to Allah.
Salaamlakum
Brother Daniel makes sense the most and the way he clarifies his points contains a lot of wisdom of having an attitude of inclusion as opposed to exclusion. Well done brother Daniel - a real one. 👏
The wisdom was in daniel not requested this discussion in the first place
Don’t like how this wasn’t handled in private
Yet you're here watching it.....
It had to be settled publicly as it was a public issue.
Daniel holds his own! MashaAllah
Daniel is an Ikhwani
@@ponderingspirit1475 you’re a BOOTLICKER
Okay I'd like to get straight into topic. I've read many of the comments here and honestly, brothers what's wrong? Why are we trying to split each other up? What happened? I've watched this video thoroughly and I'd agree that Sheikh Kharim might have sounded like we was "ambushing" Daniel, but we got the necessary clarifications all of us needed no? Daniel talked about his stance and clarified some of the misconceptions behind him. Sheikh Uthman respected this conversation and he wasn't even planning for it to happen, but it did and they handled it well. Sheikh Uthman cleared up on the importance of where someone gets knowledge from and how if he is not a qualified scholar, that they must not spread their beliefs and etc until they are qualified. They talked about some of the people that teach wrong Qaeedas and all that but that's besides the point, I've seen many comments here where some people insult Sheikh Uthman for example, or say oh I'm never going to support this dude or that guy. Guys guys what's going on? Alot of misconceptions we're cleared up, we got background information about these intelligent men, and they discussed some of the dangers of an unqualified person spreading his knowledge. What you people are doing here is splitting the Ummah even further and your just simply making those islamaphobes and hypocrites even more happy. Brothers we should thank all of them that went up there, we love Sheikh Uthman, Skeikh Karim, Daniel, and the Sheikh at the right (I apologize in advance I'm not familiar with him nor do I know him, it's the first time I see him but he seems genuine and a good respectable person) and we should not spread hate between us. Your just making your enemies glad. I'll be copy pasting this onto many of the comments.
They attacked him like thugs and he stood like a lion and proved all valid points . I admire the work of Sheikh Uthman and Karim but lost respect for them on this one.
Respect to Daniel for sticking to his guns against these ultra-exclusionist older men, even after Daniel clarified his positions they are still making a point of causing disunity amongst the Muslims. They are hell-bent on cutting everybody out of the fold, everyone is all falsehood except them and their fan-boy club. May Allah soften the heart of those men and rectify their affairs.
They all proved that the Madkhali curse is real
I love you brother Daniel for the sake of Allaah. You are absolutely right. May Allaah keep you firm.
My respect for Daniel 📈 may Allah(swt) guide him and preserve him and of us. Aameen.
I love br daniel he is always on point not politically influenced
Sheikh Uthman tried to use debating tactics which he uses with Non Muslim but he couldn't be more wrong - he tried to present DH as a unknowledgable no body who doesn't know what he talking about. . Kudos DH for not conceding and keeping it real
I lost respect for uthman after seeing that
You have missed all of his points. Think with knowledge and not with emotions
i did not see anything wrong here
Sheikh Uthman was really arrogant here and tried little down Daniel. The problem with these traditionalists are that they are so caught with old aqeedahs, manhaj and so busy pointing their opinions right that they sometimes become the primary cause of creating sects.
@@Stealthy6 "old aqeedas".
There is only ONE AQEEDA and it's the aqeeda the prophet alayhi salaam followed himself and taught it to the salaf.
The problem is us trying to be shayookhs and imposing our own understanding of Islam without actually spending time sitting with actual scholars and studying it.
Please repent of what you've said.
May Allah forgive you and guide you to the straight path.
Great responses by brother Daniel on defending the ulema of Deoband. I have never come across a single "Deobandi" scholar that promotes or defends Qabr worship, Wahdatul wujood, bidah and the different accusations labeled toward them.
It's imperative that we don't label a huge segment of the Muslim population with a broad brush, thus stigmatizing them as people of baatil. People need to wake up and see the reality of things.
Saheeh there's differences between Deobandies
You've not come across that many then, they can be the most deviated of ppl on basic aqeedah principles. What can be expected from a movement started based on a place?
@@MarpoA your ignorance doesn't deserve a response.
@@MarpoA you clearly haven't been watching the video attentively.
@@MarpoA You need to get off the couch and burst your bubble.
The Ummah backs brother Danial.
speak for yourself
It should have been donne with more respect.
This just showed once again Daniel's courage.
SubhanAllah, it seems like Br Daniel was being attacked by these other scholars and Sh Uthman was really disappointing. He tried to discredit Daniel by saying he is not a scholar and that he was agnostic, like as if his background was questionable, so others should not listen to him. Great job Br Daniel for staying firm mashAllah.
Disagree. Infact he was reaffirming what Daniel said himself by saying effectively 'you, yourself have not claimed to be a scholar', this is actually a statement of support because for him to say he is is a problem, and he has never claimed to be.
Whats wrong with what Daniel said? He makes a lot of sense given the state of society and muslims today.
it's not about anything he said here
@@someguy5063 then what did he say that offended people? Is it Saying that Halloween celeberations are haram and saudi govt shouldnt have allowed it? Whats wrong in that? Condemning haram acts is obligatory (heart, tongue, hands) whatever is possible.
@@hauntedgecko151 that's exactly what these people couldn't take: criticism of the Saydi govt. This whole conversation is a proof how Saudi is controlling these pseudo salafies
Daniel is an Ikhwani
@@Abdullah.......... criticising Muslim rulers for their sins in public is against the sunnah, if you followed the real Islam then you wouldn’t complain, learn your deen
Brother Daniel is a diamond for the whole Muslim Ummah. May Allah give you the longest life
Brother Daniel has earned more respect from his supporters and lovers than ever..he is indeed the ommah's voice of its pain and struggles against the real enemy..may Allah bless you for your middleness and complete trustworthiness and all the efforts that you put in order to bring Muslims altogether against the real Batel
You know that the main message and most important one is tawheed "Worshipping allah alone"?
The rest of the panel is asking him to focus on that instead of criticizing the rulers of muslim lands, something that he has no preceding scholar to do before him.
This is weird;
Brother Daniel: I "was right in what i said and here's proof"
Sheikh Karim: "promise you won't do it again"
🤨
That’s not what happened.. 🤨🧐
I felt they threw brother Daniel under the bus. Didn't like how they treated him on camera.
Allah says 'Obey' Allah and 'Obey' Prophet Muhammad saw but DID NOT say Obey the ruler.
If the ruler is not obeying Allah and His Messenger than people should not obey him
Subhan Allah... being silent is dangerous aswell.. why did they cut daniel off when he mentionned about the silence of scholars then diverted the topic..
Mash Allah brother @Daniel ... You nailed it.... May Allah keep you safe so that you can give the ummah more beneficiaries
Okay I'd like to get straight into topic. I've read many of the comments here and honestly, brothers what's wrong? Why are we trying to split each other up? What happened? I've watched this video thoroughly and I'd agree that Sheikh Kharim might have sounded like we was "ambushing" Daniel, but we got the necessary clarifications all of us needed no? Daniel talked about his stance and clarified some of the misconceptions behind him. Sheikh Uthman respected this conversation and he wasn't even planning for it to happen, but it did and they handled it well. Sheikh Uthman cleared up on the importance of where someone gets knowledge from and how if he is not a qualified scholar, that they must not spread their beliefs and etc until they are qualified. They talked about some of the people that teach wrong Qaeedas and all that but that's besides the point, I've seen many comments here where some people insult Sheikh Uthman for example, or say oh I'm never going to support this dude or that guy. Guys guys what's going on? Alot of misconceptions we're cleared up, we got background information about these intelligent men, and they discussed some of the dangers of an unqualified person spreading his knowledge. What you people are doing here is splitting the Ummah even further and your just simply making those islamaphobes and hypocrites even more happy. Brothers we should thank all of them that went up there, we love Sheikh Uthman, Skeikh Karim, Daniel, and the Sheikh at the right (I apologize in advance I'm not familiar with him nor do I know him, it's the first time I see him but he seems genuine and a good respectable person) and we should not spread hate between us. Your just making your enemies glad. I'll be copy pasting this onto many of the comments.
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Brother Daniel is very appealing to me,obviously he has a very high level of knowledge Mash'Allah but i think he is very rational and interesting as a person in general.May Allah bless you and your family Daniel.
~20:55 Making brother Haqiqatjou repeat after him like a child is extremely humiliating and insulting to him. Daniel shouldn't have accepted to do that.
It's was kinda holsom
@@belkairsaiefeddine4944 wholesome*
Yes disgusting belittling people
Madkhalis are hard to please. It’s sad to see brother Daniel being dragged through this
The fact that they made it so publicly, there was no respect for brother Daniel. They talked the talk about respect but didn’t walk the walk
They do ikhtilaaf with others freely AND when you do ikhtilaaf with them,
most of them react with almost the takfeer, so do barelwis
Okay I'd like to get straight into topic. I've read many of the comments here and honestly, brothers what's wrong? Why are we trying to split each other up? What happened? I've watched this video thoroughly and I'd agree that Sheikh Kharim might have sounded like we was "ambushing" Daniel, but we got the necessary clarifications all of us needed no? Daniel talked about his stance and clarified some of the misconceptions behind him. Sheikh Uthman respected this conversation and he wasn't even planning for it to happen, but it did and they handled it well. Sheikh Uthman cleared up on the importance of where someone gets knowledge from and how if he is not a qualified scholar, that they must not spread their beliefs and etc until they are qualified. They talked about some of the people that teach wrong Qaeedas and all that but that's besides the point, I've seen many comments here where some people insult Sheikh Uthman for example, or say oh I'm never going to support this dude or that guy. Guys guys what's going on? Alot of misconceptions we're cleared up, we got background information about these intelligent men, and they discussed some of the dangers of an unqualified person spreading his knowledge. What you people are doing here is splitting the Ummah even further and your just simply making those islamaphobes and hypocrites even more happy. Brothers we should thank all of them that went up there, we love Sheikh Uthman, Skeikh Karim, Daniel, and the Sheikh at the right (I apologize in advance I'm not familiar with him nor do I know him, it's the first time I see him but he seems genuine and a good respectable person) and we should not spread hate between us. Your just making your enemies glad. I'll be copy pasting this onto many of the comments.
@@mz6137 it seems you did not see my other comments where i go into details of what's wrong. i did not insult shikh uthman not the shikh in the middle (sorry i forgot his name).
in fact i even said that shikh uthman didn't know about this while the one who orchistrated it, the one in the middle as i am middle eastern living in the middle east, i can tell from his body language that there was no real maliciousness in what he was doing....
with that being said there was a high level of disrespect, the shikh in the middle did what the older generation do to kids to embaress them, he did not look at daniel as an equal or even someone in the samel field of work.
as for splitting the Umah, are they not splitting the Ummah? have you not heard what daniel said?
they want to join with people who are prob kufri rituals in action even though in words they say they are against it, they are against LGTV+ but activally work with them and give them a voice to influnce the muslims.
on the other hand when it comes to aqeeda, most people don't even know the 6 simple pillers of iman much less care if Allah is on the throne and how he is on the throne.
yet we all are affected by the LGTV+ propaganda, the liberal propaganda and so on. they were the ones pushing these shiukh to do this to daniel.
they could have easily talked to daniel privately as they do have his contacts, do this conversation and then have a public conversation without any blindsiding to the public.
most people who become religious to a degree of knowing their religion but still a layman, knowing the basics is good enough, the 6 articles of iman is good enough. frankly i do not care how Allah is on his throne, Allah said he is on his thron, khalas he is on his throne.
it's as simple as that, those who want to argue back and forth they can argue, it's their own ishtihad as there is nothing in hte ahadith going into these kinds of details.
what's between us and people is the quran and ahadith. when you work with these people and they tell you no allah is not on his throne physically, bla bla bla you say bring me from the ahadith or the quran that what you are saying is true, otherwise we take the apparent meaning.
same for whdat alwujuud,how can we all within Allah and Allah within everything if Allah himself says he is not unlike anything else. plus you are basically saying Allah is in the dirty things in this world without going into details, it doesn't take long to make them understand.
but if you cut those people off, their leaders will totally brainwash them so even something that is not logical will become logical to them.
@@PoeticSonic Okay I like your response. I'm from the Middle east myself too. I'd agree that the person in the middle might have seemed disrespectful, I would've just upright said Daniel you must clear your stance because of bla bla bla misconceptions behind you and all that and that would've been sufficient. He might've went overboard but I've seen some rediciolous comments here so I just copy pasted that comment everywhere. I saw people doing takfeer, swearing at these great Da3ees and Sheikhs, it really put a bad taste in my mouth. They all are great, they cleared up misconceptions, and even though one of them seemed disrespectful, we should not account for that one single bad part of this conversation but we should look at the overall picture and how this conversation had a net positive effect as it clarified alot of things. I'm really really upset to see people slander this great people, some people even pointed at me and called ma Kafir for that comment I sent, and called me a Salafi, Wahabi and what not. I'm a Muslim, I follow the teachings of The Quran, Sunnah, and the teachings of the great Salafs. Simple. We should all do the same. My entire point is that the people in these comments are going overboard at spreading rumors and doing takfeer.
@@mz6137 they are going overboard but it was due to these da3ees going overboard too.
that's what happens when people feel like you are splitting the Umah of people doing day to day things right while joining in with the people that are corrupting us.
btw some of the things they said and did goes against the salaf.
they also take non muslim countries like egypt as muslim countries, they are muslim majority country, similar to tunis but it's a secular government.
the supreme judge in egypt is christian, nothing in the law says that a non muslim can't rule if they were elected.
the same with tunis that has offically separated the religion and state, more like is forcing islam to be something you only believe but not act upon.
go actually listen to the taps daniel was talking about, all the great shiukh from al albani to uthaimeen, spoke very openly on this, they even went as far as saying there is no bai3a in this age.
btw i'm from the opinion that is against rebelion first and formost and i'm somewhat against the way daniel does his critque not becuase he names names or not, that is just bs, but becuase it goes back to the basics of maslaha.
and i believe that there is less maslaha with the way daniel does when it comes to the level of critique but that's just my person opinion it's not something i can call someone a kafir over.
and these shiukh are going to the opposite extreme, they say daniel is living in one part of the world while saying things like that while people living i those countries are affected.
the same goes for them too, these people are neutering the real dawah, they may be enjoying on good, but they are not forbidding evil, they are forbidding the forbidding of evil.
they are just as bad if not worse. as someone from the middle east and i know you probably know this too, most the great shiukh are in jail and this isn't anything new and has been the case for as long as there have been islam after the death of the prophets and the 4 great khalifs.
frankly with all due respect, shikh uthman mostly does dawah to christians and struggles with others, while in muslim countries we don't need dawah for christians we need dawah for "muslims".
in fact even the dawah he does for christians he can't do in "muslim countries" if he was in egypt, he would have been taken straight to jail, many did even much more milder comparative religion dawah and got jailed for years and years.
and these people want people who are able to do dawah from the outside yet reach those in the inside to stop doing that type of dawah. it's disgusting.
i didn't even mention how they don't even follow their own rules, did you catch how the shikh said mubarak rather than morsi, he would rather take the fusaaak rather than one that is religious such as morsi beucase morsi was affiliated with the bortherhood, so to him the brotherhood is worse than the kufaar. and they see no problem with criticizing morsi even though he was a muslim leader.
they have no problem with criticizing leaders in gaza becuase they were affiliated with the brotherhood but don't you dare criticize any leader of "muslim" and muslim countries who are allied with the kufar and many of whom are clearly just puppets.
i guess in their eyes you can't be a real muslim leader unless you are a puppet to the kuffar.
and you might say i'm going too far, but prove me wrong. do they not always shit on the palestinian resistance who ARE the leaders over muslim land for taking weapons from the only people who are willing to give them weapons, iran.
yet we should stfu and not say anything when muslim countries take weapons from israel and even go on fun joy rides testing their new weapons on the people of gaza.
as i said disgusting
Deobandis school is a system of education and the way Daniel answered the question is excellent
Wahdatul wujood, tavizs and visiting graves are strawman issues, since they were misrepresented.
Also DH is correct a deobandi may even be a liberal, modernist
🌈 There's a beautiful love story btw Qasim nanotvi and Rashid Ahmed gangoghi 😶
They publicly use to display their love..
@@NK236 OK and? there are similar stories of Maulana Rumi and Shams Tabrezi
@@musti12312 rumi ibn Arabi kafirs zindeeqs are equal to namrud firon ...
@@musti12312 rumi was bhuddist
And ibn Arabi zindeeq was worst than polytheists...
May Allah remove the cowardice from our hearts, ameen.
Mashallah Daniel my dear brother you brought tears to my eyes with exactly what you repeated that shows you are not arrogant and you’ll succeed more than you can imagine inshallah than a few TH-camrs.
100% agree, InshaAllah.
Salaam
His success is not digested by the madkhalis.
this should've definitely definitely definitely been done in a private sitting. i love brother daniel... i love his work... i love brother uthman and his work
I am really feeling ashamed to see this kind of behaviour from Sheikh Uthman and Abu Karim..
So the truth is that our most of the scholars are with Saudi government who are legalizing all haram things in Saudi Arabia.
Wow!
Of course. They need that Saudi dollar for a living. It's shameful that someone like Uthman who doesn't even know Arabic can try to discredit Daniel as not being a scholar when he himself isn't one as well.
@@luvlybaluga Excellent point, he is dicussing the knowlege of Daniel whilst he is unable to read arabic.
@@luvlybaluga what do you know about who gets what money? You should repent from such slander.
Awwwh. Are you hurt most of ulama and daees don't pander to your emotions? Deal with it. Sunnah is more important.
@@eesaabdurrahman1569 how is getting Saudi dollar slander? So pointing out everyone who makes money in Saudi is slander against them now???
Kinda feels, dishonorable and disgusting what they tried to do. Especially the third guy that came up, spoke blatant lie, when he said if a ruler says that zina is halal, then the scholars should condemn without naming names this is Murji'ah ideology not Ahl al-Sunnah. Because if a ruler says that Zina is halal then this is not a thing to condemn and correct, because this makes the ruler kaffir. This is plain kufr.
Murji'ah will often say that legislating by other than the Sharia is a major sin and not Kufr(either Asghar or Akbar) and that you have to obey ANY ruler who rules over Muslim majority land...plus you should also obey someone who takes themselves out of the fold of Islam.
They will also assign you to the Khawarij or at least the mindset of a Khariji if you disagree with them. They are not true Salafiyyah.
These people are VERY misguided. BarakAllahu Feekum🖤🤍
Imagine cross examining Daniel like that 🤦🏻♂️ This whole thing is classic expression of what pseudo salafism really is. They have an extraordinary ego coupled with child like knowledge. Notice when Daniel layed down the arguments Karim went mute 😂
Sheikh karim should have done the same to omar suleiman. He should have said to omar & yaqeen institute "pls stop doing this. Pls stop liasing with the liberals and lgbt movement. We already have the momentum".
Or if sheikh have guts, it started with halloweenn in saudi. So pls advice the ruler of saudi not to do it. Stop the normalisation progress with israel.
Only then it would be fair. What daniel did today is a response to what the saudi ruler did (at the higher level) and a response to what omar suleiman & jonathan & yaqeen institute did (wrt lgbt & liberalism)
You people stop. Then daniel will stop.
Did sheikh karim dare to do it? Thats the question.
Why is Uthman even speaking as a scholar when this man struggles reading basic Arabic works?
🤡. Ik for a fact you haven’t done 1 tenth of a million what Sheikh has done for our religion. So settle down boi and learn
yup fake scholar
Put it this way. Shaykh Uthman is more knowledgeable and has done more for the ummah than the people who accuse him of not knowing Arabic.
@mw255 what is your definition of a scholar?
very good point
Br.Daniel explained it spectacularly point by point, they didn't engage with any of the points.
Coz it would turn into a debate
@@MohOz It was a debate
Daniel wins this debate hands down. Shaykh Uthman was awful and incorrect about Deobandi aqeedah. If there are differences then same difference exist between salafi. It also shows the hypocrisy they have to criticize deobandi and then also talk in same breath about uniting muslim ummah and building bridges for dawah
Exactly.
Unity is not the most important thing. Tawheed is the number one priority. The sahabah did everything to protect tawheed amongst the muslims
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May Allah strengthen the iman among our daie.. Especially Bro Daniel in this trial time.. He is a diamond of our ummah
this investigation or rather “conference” should not have happened. Daniel deserves better than this.
I think it was good, he clarified his position well and now people cannot slander him anymore.
@@muhjow Clearly you don't understand bootlicking mentality
Brother Daniel my brother that was commendable. May Allah swt preserve all the brothers and guide us all.
Daniel is an Ikhwani
@@ponderingspirit1475 And you're a walking L
Astaghfirullah... I swear by Allah, I will never take anything from those other two..
Who?
@@MuhammadHosny0 Those fake shaiks!
Tis uthman guy is very arrogant. He is sounding like he is debating an atheist or something. Why u asking him to relax. He seems more relaxed than u uthman
Usman Farooq forgot those deoband bring him to the right path. Now he think he has so much knowledge, his ego grow and start finding fault in everyone. May Allah fix his heart.
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He tries to act Saudi madkhali
They cornered him like has committed a shirk or kufr....We love you DH...you are the most balanced person.....this should have never been in public
Assalamualaikum ustaad Daniel I think it's very clear these people are trying to sideline you, in the UK most of the deobandi hanafi are not grave worshippers or hayathi and we manliy find this from the barelwi hanafi, so for them to claim that you should sit with them if you don't understand these issues is a joke it is them that should sit with you coz either they have misunderstood or they are doing this so they can eventually push you out then again maybe they done too many linines of powder back in the day.
Daniel keep up the fight but I'm sure you know you will find your self with only a few true men as true men are only know during hardship
Allah bless you ameen
What has UK got to do with this, not one of them is from the UK
You are a liar. Your books are filled with this nonsense. Ashraf Ali Thanwis boos and many others
I guess coz I'm from the UK jazakullahuhyr
Daniel is an Ikhwani
OK jazakullahuhyr
This sheikh is blaming the victim and not the oppressor in Egypt 🤦🏾♂️…
If a lion is walking outside. And you told your friend to not leave the house, but he insisted, left the house and got killed. Who do you blame???????????
@@Jaafar_Alkhalifa wrong example
What happened in Egypt is like a pressure cooker ... if you don't address it... it will explode and this what happened it exploded ... you can't blame the people for what happened
Daniel Haqiqatjou May Allah SWT Reward you and keep on Blessing you. You have Strong Backbone And don’t listen to “Those” Around You that has Zero Backbones because they are the cause of the Pathetic State, the Ummah is in Now.
Allahumma barik Brother Daniel.
He is a Lion 🦁 with the bright heart.
May Allah the Highest keep him steadfast and guide young Muslims.
That's not a lion he's a coward hiding in the west while speaking against rulers.. that's a joke
This ambush tactic is commonly known about the charlatans of Madkhalis. For those who lived and stayed with them knows very well, others have no idea about the reality of this cult.
Exactly, these are just parrots of a Saudi propaganda trying to dominate the muslim ummah.
I saw the whole thing
And the way they treated danail was so out of line
The middle man really needs to fix up his mannerisms
Uthman I love watching your videos
But as a muslim individual
You could've discuss this in person
I feel like giving brother Daniel a hug
M'shaAllah he kept his composure
And I felt really sorry for him
Embarrassing
They should've kept this 100 per cent pure
And those rulers they are talking about are Kuffaar/tawageet without exemption
Daniel is not formally trained as the other scholars but his background in philosophy makes him a great asset for the ummah - the small details the majority of Muslims don’t care.
Uthman is doing to Daniel what Dawah man did to Uthman
What happened between them
Well done Daniel, you've exposed so many hypocrisies, I'm really sick of this pathetic partisanship.
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I'm sorry. The unlce in the middle is not that knowledgeable and quiet arrogant.
The audacity on the line of questioning. Ajeeb.
Also wants to sit with omar Suleiman and thats Ok?
The double standards, hypocrisy.
What I took from this video.
That Daniel is far more learned then most of the panel and what they think of him.
Emotional Daniel fanboys and fangirls spamming the comment section! LoL!! Only if they could understand what poison Daniel is providing to them. Feel sorry for Daniel too. Because he is in a daydream of uniting all the muslims as one. The hadith of 73 sects is something you can never avoid Daniel, never!! It's the reality that you can not but embrace! The only possible way to unite all the muslims is the one you are intentionally avoiding and that is Aqeedah! May Allah give Daniel and his fanboys/fangirls to understand the importance of aqeedah! Ameen!
That hadith is weak
How embarrising that they try to ambush Daniel..he deserves respect
No one bushing anyone brother it’s about aqeeda which is most important believe with wrong aqeeda never enter paradise
brother stop trying to cause trouble nobody is ambushing him
Daniel need this kind of platform to clarify these issues, and I do not think what they did is akin to ambushing him.
@@rayyoplayer5711 most people don't even have the capability of understanding and grasping many of the indepth issues and discussions of aqeedah... its arrogant to push this agenda on to the layman....
Even ibn taymiyah expresses that this subject is not for the layman..
What is the wrong aqeedah? We have slight differences in aqeedah NOT every difference is a cause for HELL ,
And absolutely NOT for the layman.
Typical that those with this pushing and forcefulness of Aqeedah are always the one to point fingers OF TAKFEER AND HELL UPON PEOPLE.
DO tauba akhi.
@@AccentuateMedia He came to a conference. He did not come for this discussion to this conference.
This is called ambushing.stop being ignorant.
The irony is that brother Uthman has been CALLED MANY TIMES and challenged but he's afraid to discuss this with people who have knowledge in this field.
Brother Danyal is NOT a master in the field of aqeedah etc.. he does great effort in discussion and debate with non Muslims.
This is an Ambush when you isolate someone like this, who does not have the capability or knowledge nor do they claim they do,and start forcefully discussing things that where not mentioned.
Taking all that in to account Brother danyal done extremely well..and kept composed in the face of this attempt.
Love you brother Daniel. May Allah preserve and protect you and your family. aameen.
That was shameful really I feel embarrassed how they acted towards Daniel. I lost total respect towards these characters
Laa 7aula wa laa quwwata illa bi Allaah. Respect to brother Daniel. May Allaah protect us from the evil of those cloaked with the garment of Islaam while discretely propagating the sinister ways of the shaitaan.
The conclusion speech by Sh. Karim at 44:00 sounds like a continued
admonishment of Bro. Daniel. The fact that he did this after Daniel clarified his position shows a lack of critical thinking toward a brother who has put real work into understanding the multidimensional nature of our dilemma, and a lack of empathy toward a brother who truly cares about our current plight. This attitude will only continue siloing people into groups or drive them away altogether. May Allah guide us, amin.
They had an agenda. Because they are with the saudi rulers. They set up this little trick. Let us question him in front of everyone about his teachers and his aqeedah and if we can find holes ooh mission accomplished we disqualify Daniel in front of the whole ummah.