He wasn't that bad 😔! He's a legend, he was the first big-time white rapper! I'm more for 3rd bass but vanilla ice was bigger! Plus he could dance 🩰! He was actually dope!
I was about 8 or 9 around this time. But even as a kid, I thought Vanilla Ice was more of a carbon copy of Hammer. I mean, that Hammer's formula all day. I always thought Hammer broke those barriers. The man had dolls & a Saturday morning cartoon. I think he even had a cereal.
Ummm. ....Hip Hop was already mainstream long before Hammer. Hammer deserves credit for taking it a little further; butvthat door was already kicked open by RUN DMC.
@@BaronSemediLive I never said Hammer made Hip Hop mainstream. I was just recollecting what my thoughts were during that time period. But since we're on the subject, he, along with Kid & Play, Fresh Prince (Will Smith), & Vanilla Ice all helped make Rap MORE mainstream. Or rather, more commercialized! RunDMC never had a Saturday morning cartoon, but Hammer & Kid-n-Play did! See the difference?
Tbh? Nah. Vanilla Ice is still worse. At least most rappers today can still rap, whereas Van Winkle was just flimsy and his only hit song was destined to be played for ironic purposes.
I dislike muthafuckas using hip-hop, rap, or any other culture just to gain instant gratification yet you know you ain't part of it, nor down with it. Just be real.
It's ashame I can't like this more, I agree....at least vanilla ice tried to rhyme, these new school cats don't even know what a verse is, just money, bitches, opps, and robbing and murdering fellow black men and women.
Just a thought. Ice-T was one of the most vocal ppl about Vanilla Ice being fake during the height of his popularity. No one give Ice T credit enough for G checking the fake shit in HipHop.
The only difference is that Kid Rock did only grow up around black people and has a biracial son (looks just like him) and had bars , so when he bounced out , both white and black people took it way more personal because he was legit Eminem , Teena Marie, Jessie J and Billy Lawrence are the only ones who didn't run away from it
Stunt #4: Street Cred in question Stunt #5: Suge Knight encounter Stunt #6: The copyright infringement against Ice Ice baby. A.k.a Under Pressure by David Bowie
I can't believe that you didn't mention the following: 1. He was the first rapper to rap with Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. 2. Dude was from Carrollton, TX and lied and said he went to school in Miami with Luther Campbell. 3. He was the first rapper to have a song with Naomi Campbell and had a box office flop (Cool As Ice). 4. He tried to beef with Kid N Play--"The girls say they love me and that is ok, cause I can dance better than any Kid or Play." That was saying early 90s fighting words!! 5. He was on the same record label as Riff (the Fair Eastside guys from Lean On Me) and even had them singing backup on "I Love You". I think I just stunted my own growth for remembering these facts. 😳🤦🏾♂️
Lots of Rappers be lyin' about sh*t......and here is the thing. This may be off topic, however, Eazy E(I do give him credit in general), took some of DJ Quick's style.
I dont blame him at all, the machine that was operating him is the one to blame, like in all cases. You have a bunch of people who think they know the culture and try to copy and paste it on anyone.
Yeah this is kinda weird IMO. Of course this guy was a clown, but he fits right in with EVERY popular rapper from 2007 on. Everything today is about pandering, clout & trends. Zero talent. At least back then the music had a good beat and the rappers rapped on top of it instead of in some weird cracked out cadence or with dogshit in their mouths lol.
Teena Marie was authentic, Average White band was authentic. This dude struck me as someone who grew up in the suburbs and was like, Oh this is how they act in the hood. If I do this or that I'll be cool, too. I knew dude was a phony from jump. Then his mom and all his friends came out and said that Robby doesn't even act like that. And he lied about winning motorcycle racing championships. Jus lying.
We knew he was fake as hell when he came out. None of us from our Era rocked with him for real. Check out the duo 3rd Bass. They are some real O.G. white rappers, & they clowned him heavy too. He is TRASH... 💯💯💯🙅🏾♂️
Lmao! No doubt it. For 1989/1990, V.I.'s lyrical ability wasn't too bad. Dude worked his a** off on the indy scene to get to the mainstream success. Plenty of people can vouch
It's two things I will say that I liked about Vanilla Ice. One his dancing and his Never Wanna be Without You song. That song was dope to me and I don't care what anyone says. And if Vanilla Ice came out today and being a Rapper, he would've been more liked in today's time than back in the 90s.
@@damiendsoul360 If he survived in 90s he would surely survive today. Not only is the rap world much, much, gentler and more accommodating today, the audience is too. Rap was gritty. Today rap only plays gritty.
@@onegoodthought6581 lucky he left before Biggie blew up. I remember 3rd Bass dissin Vanilla Ice and Hammer. Wack when I was 10 years old and still wack now.
That is crazy when you think about it. How something like hip hop is so commercialized that other races that pretty much ignorant to the history can just steal in and be accepted with the right marketing and features. You hit it on the head with Miley Cyrus. How she had a song with wiz and a Mike will made it beat and was known for twurking. Years later It was pretty much just passed off as a phase in her life and regret. Sometimes artist get blackballed from hip hop ( k. Fed ) but that's a minority case.
@@allenlavine1351 I don't remember whites being in hip hop since rappers Delight but I could Be wrong, lol. It might have been young white people but they were not movers and tastemakers of media and radio
I thought Vanilla Ice was ok. I think if he signed with Chuck D like he was going to originally he would have had a better outcome. His label played him.
@@amancalledhawk5575 no they didn’t. He produced most of his own first album. Too Short Produced 2 songs. That’s crazy people can just put stuff in the internet that’s able to be googled.
@@mike7676ful man im going by what I read In a hip hop magazine back in the day if I'm wrong it's because I was given false information I just looked it up so I stand corrected
Hey mane, idk I prolly asked before, but could you do an episode on Afroman? Man got shafted and never blew up on mainstream after universal. Idk he's one of my favorites living and no one shows love
Vanilla Ice was the first rapper to ever be cancelled. Hip Hop unanimously agreed he was wack. Thank goodness for actual standards back then. There were actual print magazines calling him wack, TV shows clowning him, rappers dissing in video and on wax. They got his ass up outta there. Time seems to have forgiven his wackness today tho.
I wish hip hop is like that in today's time we are wayyyyy too nice and overly politically correct when it comes to wack rappers that don't care about the culture but we defend the degenerates that constantly disrespect the culture and the pioneers in hip hop daily.
Say what you want but that beat was fire and the white boy could dance. And as far as the rapping goes I've heard waaaaay worse. I get it he's white and he was definitely pushed. But he's not the worse rapper you've ever heard stop it
Facts. This guy just has as problem with white people doing "black culture" . But by that same token then black people shouldn't play golf, basketball, football, baseball, do country music or Rock.
W on all levels. Vanilla ice would have had an even longer career had it started in the early 80s. Probably would have had a legit 3 or 4 album run. He just got stuck in the changing of the guard from "corny 80s" era to "gangsta 90s" era.
Most appropriate episode of SG yet, your Bubba Sparxxx episode was great too (Do DAS EFX next.........) also I appreciated your realness - young people may not know that hip hop was segregated back then - radio stations wouldn't play it in the 1980s, there was an infamous David Bowie interview on MTV where he criticized the channel for not playing rap or black music in general, rap music was treated like cultural apartheid in the USA in the early and mid 1980s, and that is NOT a joke, when I was a kid, you had to check out public access or late-night TV to watch rap, rap did not penetrate every aspect of culture globally back then like today, it was looked down upon - after VI exploded, rap become more acceptable to the masses - that is both tragic and beneficial for hip hop I guess -
Just to give you something to hopefully find interesting but also annoying: a similar thing happened on perhaps a slightly smaller scale with Grime music in the UK, say 15 years ago. You had to stay up late to hear it, there was pirate radio stations, police locking shows off (which still has gone on in more recent years). Fast forward later when the genre gets mainstream attention the politicians are using artists image to get younger votes and benefit their own causes...
Something different this wasn't even a Stunted growth video Hell the Sugar Hill gang gets more respect from the community these days than back then, no group was more hated than the Sugar Hill game
Youre off on this one. People read too much into Vanilla Ice and what he meant to hip hop. He was a gimmick rapper. And the gimmick worked. But he wasn't "wack" in the time in which Ice Ice Baby was created. He fit that small era where very commercial rap acts that wouldnt be considered REAL hip hop by any other era, nevertheless, kind of ruled the commercial air waves and were hand in hand with what we now consider the real hip hop scene which was still largely underground. The commercial success was in the gimmick rap and hiphopish acts. This was the era of C and C Music Factory...Mili Vanili..Marky Mark and the Funky Bunch.....Young MC...MC Hammer...Tone Loc..Kriss Kross...Rico Suave. These one hit and one Album wonders that sold lots of records And it was allowed because Rap and Hip hop were seen as a come and go fad. It was a sub genre of RnB. Rap/HipHop was like New Jack Swing and was supposed to disappear like New Jack Swing did. It was Not seen as having the potential to be a global music industry Titan it became. So there was no real investment into the culture by the mainstream. What killed Vanilla Ice...was the same thing that killed Tone Loc..Young MC...MC Hammer Rico Suave etc etc....what killed them was The Chronic. The Chronic really changed everything. The Chronic was a systemic shift in pop music that really washed away all the gimmick rap which had been allowed to coexist with the real hip hop. All those acts had 2 choices pack it on change with the times. Tone Loc went to acting an voice work...ditto for Marky Mark who became Mark Walberg.....Young MC disappeared...Rico Suave did the same...Milli Vanilli were exposed as frauds....C and C music factory met the same fate...Kriss Kross because they were so young were able to change it up and it was seen as their natural growth...but the two biggest sellers of the gimmick era were MC Hammer and Vanilla Ice. Both tried to adapt to the post Chronic era and both failed miserably. Everything you shame Vanilla Ice for trying is the same garbage MC Hammer tried to do. There was no vast conspiracy to make Vanilla Ice the face of hip hop because it didnt need a face...it was supposed fade out anyway. Then The Chronic hit and all the sudden it became evident that something real was here to stay. And it changed hip hip...it changed rock music it changed it all. It brought underground real hip hop mainstream and it completely cleaned out gimmicky musical acts in all genres if you think about it
Exactly That era between 1990 and 1992...as far as music goes (especially hip hop)...might as well have been a decade with how drastically the music scene changed. Like in 1991 Paula Abdul won a Grammy for song she did with a rapping cartoon cat. And it was considered hip hop and it topped that charts LOL
His flow was during the 1990's , just right for the times , when there was a variety , a buffet of rap styles . Today , there's only one and it's sad .
This was your best one yet. Pure cultural appropriation. They go hip-hop for the cred and money. Once they are popular they go back to their roots. I hate that 💩 it really hate it. Rob has never been hip-hop and never will be. He’s helping Amish off all people. Its always fun making money off black people, culture but they will never return the favor. Much respect for this episode. I live in the Netherlands and people over here don’t understand this.
over 30 years later and we still talk about him. he's been a superstar, lived an amazing full life, is a decent and positive dude and is rich AF. The dude won.
@@bobdigi500 Your original comment didn't address the videos point at all. He didn't argue that vanilla ice wasn't successful. You used a strawman argument goofy.
Doesnt change the fact he had to sell his soul and pretend to be something he wasnt while taking advantage of/exploiting an already marginalized grp, who's culture and history has always been pilfered by men who look like him. So yeah if u go by the white man's definition of success, Vanilla Ice "won".
I liked this raw and uncut style video! Don’t get me wrong, I am a fan of your usually formatted videos, but this one felt like it came from your soul and I love it.
I appreciate you expressing how you really felt. Its funny you clearly don't like this dude lol. But, this video is one of your longer videos. I enjoyed it though....
I am brown skin south Asian but I love and respect hip hop and uk hip hop I do my research and I never claimed to be part of the culture I only listen to it for good music
I grew up in Farmers Branch (where he is from) Vanilla Ice was about ten years before me. He was widely known for throwing massive keg parties behind the Ace Hardware back in the day lol
We said that about all white rappers when they came out You should have heard the conversation when 3rd base came out, House of Pain, Young black teenagers, they all had respect
@@mjnari022 I was gonna say the same thing There's a white female rapper named Sarai who had bars and can rap and Iggy Azalea literally took her whole shtick , and the media marketed her as the "female Eminem" in 2003 despite her and Eminem rapped completely different and it ruined it her success Check out her song "Ladies" you'll see how much Iggy and other white female acts took her style and demeanour
@@seanthornton6844 rappers delight was not a mainstream hit, but it was the first rap song to be played on the radio so was undeniably pioneering. When talking about a mainstream hit, it's a song that is recognised in suburbs to projects from NY to Birmingham, Milwaukee to Portland and some international penetration at least as the US being a global market leader. I remember rappers delight from a few years later when rap was played on obscure radio stations on obscure radio shows at obscure hours.
He should’ve added Pink and Justin Timberlake. However the other names he mentioned I never accepted into our culture. We are such a loving people we just let anyone into the barbecue. Dope video.
I agree with everything you said 💯💯 that’s what I always thought about him a character shoutout what he’s done for promoting hip hop mainstream but keeping the culture alive not so he considers it as a phase
Vanilla Ice has 2.3M monthly listeners on Spotify alone. Not my favorite rapper, in no shape or form but he’s literally 30 years or more deep in entertainment. The facts the facts
I like Rob Van Winkle....I was a freshman in high school when "Ice Ice Baby" single hit the radio....I actually thought "Ice Ice Baby" was Ice-T New song. You got to remember, the song dropped the before the video aired....when I seen he.was a white guy, blew my F-'ing mind ! I dug the song though.....🤠🤠🤠🤠🤠🤠🤠🤠
Little known fact vanilla ice made up the “Ninja rap “ on the spot for the film . The lyrics were dope ! He actually loved the culture , i don’t think he deserves the hate , many rappers lie about their life in hiphop !
You got to do a stunted growth video on Biz Markie. I really felt the lawsuit that Gilbert O’Sullivan filed against him where he sampled one of his songs helped stunted his growth
Vanilla Ice can't acknowledge hip-hop. He can acknowledge the part of his career where he made noise to just acknowledge hip-hop means acknowledging that his highest triumph is a joke. Within the hip-hop community, he's a punchline. Think about it, between his 2nd album & Em's first major debut, all white rappers had to have a rock band behind them. Because he was such a joke, he made it to where white rappers were completely unmarketable. There is no redemption for him within the hip-hop community. That's why he can't really acknowledge it. He probable be at home jammin tf outta some Future. Be ashamed when he get caught lol
Vanilla Ice is the most down to earth dude in the world but he still a one hit wonder. He was scared of Suge Knight at one point, so he doesn’t ever have to worry about him again. Today’s hip hop is worst than it’s ever been in the past 20 years. It’s a lot of one hit wonders who are only do it for money, so there is no passion for hip hop in them at all.
MC Hammer kind of ended up in the same boat when he went to death row, everyone remembered him in the baggy pants. Now Hammer is real and not to be played with, but the switch from the you can’t touch this to pumps and a bump was too much.
You have a lot valid points when you see this video but at the same time his first album sold a lot records and like you said hip hop went mainstream because of this and after that first album everything went down hill from their but he has a lot money to support his family. And on a side note I have a you tube channel type in Russell Mills May 22, 2017 to find me.
I'm a V Ice fan, I own the First LP and his 98 LP, he was a Product, not even of a time just in general... He gets a Lot of shit for Reasons, some deserved... but he's a Uncut Gem an has some serious Songs
I'm glad there's some people here in this comment section who actually can actually appreciate the contributions that ice did to this business, he deserves more respect than this
"because that's how black culture is, and we'll talk about that too, but just to give you snippet of it- its like in black culture right? We enjoy when people of other races imitate us." WHOS MANS IS THIS!? lololol bro? gtfoh
The 1st industry plant in hip hop, the 1st rapper to have his credibility and career/success questioned by the masses and fortunately, got his ass erased his contributions and impact from the industry. Vanilla Ice as a gimmick in hip hop, in 2022, off of TikTok, can be somewhat successful, but in 1990, when Run-DMC, KRS 1, Public Enemy, N.W.A., and LL Cool J was dominating the charts and the mainstream focus, he came and whitewash the industry before Eminem came and destroy everything Vanilla Ice did before him. Yeah, VI did the same thing Hammer did, but he's white so it's viewed differently from his(Hammer) success and the industry took him and shot him from a cannon and made him the 1st crossover rap star, close to superstar. He just didn't get the opportunity to really stamp his name in the history books to where there's no debate about him, but the ppl found out the truth about him and his upbringing. This is pre-Internet and you couldn't lie about your credibility so Vanilla Ice died a slow death and silently started Death Row Records lol 😆 😂 🤣 💀 😅
@@vintage3262 In 1990, the official 11th year of hip hop being a genre of music overall, yes I honestly do believe he was the 1st. Added look at his discography... The label was pushing him as a interchangeable gimmick with the new flavor of the month. In the good words of Mr. O'Shea, "Think about it 🤔 "
Apples and oranges my man lol Vanilla Ice is more upbeat where his music keeps you emotionally grounded and Eminem is more introverted where gets music gets you rowed up for the most part. They were different lanes with two different vibes. So Eminem didn't destroy anything but just existed lol
I wouldn't say Vanilla Ice brought hip-hop to the mainstream though. Run-DMC was mainstream and getting heavy rotation on MTV long before Vanilla was even in the rap game. I wouldn't even say the first white rapper to go mainstream cause the Beastie Boys did that already too.
Vanilla Ice wasn’t the only “industry plant” placed into black culture back then in regards to the industry. Research a Canadian rapper named Snow. He tried to rap as welll but almost in the style of reggae. He was the original Drake. We didn’t have many Canadian rappers on market in the U.S. back then.
The funny thing is, unlike Vanila Ice Snow was legit, dude grew up in the projects and hanged out with Jamaican immigrants n stuff, shit he was in jail when he learned that Informer (a song about snatching snitches) became a hit. He was even popular in Jamaica for awhile. The dude was essentially a proto-Eminem minus the talent and having the It factor.
He made millions and everyone black, white and all colors bought that 1st album. I like your page alot, this was the first time I thought you sound more like a hater. What he did was actually really impressive.
I don't even know what to say...
You didn't like ninja rap? 😕 lol
Stunted Growth, are you okay? You sound defeated, like listening to the albums had you vomiting all night or something
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Marky Mark, actor Mark Wahlberg was just as bad. Do one on him, lol!!!
He wasn't that bad 😔! He's a legend, he was the first big-time white rapper! I'm more for 3rd bass but vanilla ice was bigger! Plus he could dance 🩰! He was actually dope!
This wasn't stunted growth, this was a roast!
A good roast 😂😂😂
My man must have asked for an autograph, only to be turned down years ago. This was personal!!!!! LOL
@@jamesgibson3716 LMAO!
More like a class report 🤣
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You still gotta give credit to Hammer for making Hip-hop mainstream around the same time. That would be a good episode
I was about 8 or 9 around this time. But even as a kid, I thought Vanilla Ice was more of a carbon copy of Hammer. I mean, that Hammer's formula all day. I always thought Hammer broke those barriers. The man had dolls & a Saturday morning cartoon. I think he even had a cereal.
Ummm. ....Hip Hop was already mainstream long before Hammer. Hammer deserves credit for taking it a little further; butvthat door was already kicked open by RUN DMC.
@@BaronSemediLive I never said Hammer made Hip Hop mainstream. I was just recollecting what my thoughts were during that time period. But since we're on the subject, he, along with Kid & Play, Fresh Prince (Will Smith), & Vanilla Ice all helped make Rap MORE mainstream. Or rather, more commercialized! RunDMC never had a Saturday morning cartoon, but Hammer & Kid-n-Play did! See the difference?
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@@BaronSemediLive off the hinges. Keyword Aerosmith
There's a lot worse rappers in today's hip-hop if we're being honest
Yea at least he sounds better than most of these wack rappers now 😆 😂 🤣
@@Jac735 That's because he was biting Rakim, LL Cool J [or whoever depending on the song]. flow You don't get props for that.
Tbh? Nah. Vanilla Ice is still worse. At least most rappers today can still rap, whereas Van Winkle was just flimsy and his only hit song was destined to be played for ironic purposes.
@@curly_wyn lol if you say so
@@TonyBambino my man but if you think about it half of these rappers sound like Lil Wayne or T-Pain now LOL so basically the same thing
Don't forget Marky Mark Mark Wahlberg the actor. He abandoned hip hop too. Got mad at Eminem for calling him on it.
That TRL episode i remember that episode
Or Miley Cyrus. Tommy Lee from Motley Crue did the same shit.
I dislike muthafuckas using hip-hop, rap, or any other culture just to gain instant gratification yet you know you ain't part of it, nor down with it. Just be real.
That's because they found better careers. Black arts were just a stepping stone for them to get there
Honestly, I like him better as an actor so I’m kinda glad he did lol
He was bad but he definitely wasn’t the worst I’ve heard. It’s some new rappers that sound like the garbage truck running late
Yes, and they’re all over World Star.
It's ashame I can't like this more, I agree....at least vanilla ice tried to rhyme, these new school cats don't even know what a verse is, just money, bitches, opps, and robbing and murdering fellow black men and women.
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@@deanbrooks7297 that's all YOU listen to, too many rappers who don't rap about those for you dinosaurs to be still selling false narratives.
Just a thought. Ice-T was one of the most vocal ppl about Vanilla Ice being fake during the height of his popularity. No one give Ice T credit enough for G checking the fake shit in HipHop.
I remember, Ice-T called out the fake rappers
Arsenio Hall treated him tho.... A lot doesn't get mentioned here, but in reality, his gimmick got exposed before his 2nd album.
Don't forget "kid rock" he bounced out of the culture too
The only difference is that Kid Rock did only grow up around black people and has a biracial son (looks just like him) and had bars , so when he bounced out , both white and black people took it way more personal because he was legit
Eminem , Teena Marie, Jessie J and Billy Lawrence are the only ones who didn't run away from it
@@Chuck_EL, he grew up in Romeo, MI. He didn't grow up around Black folks. He lived in the proximity of Black folks, but not among us.
@the pub knight: i don’t know those others you named but teena marie was not hip hop!
Stunt #4: Street Cred in question
Stunt #5: Suge Knight encounter
Stunt #6: The copyright infringement against Ice Ice baby. A.k.a Under Pressure by David Bowie
I thought that was a Queen song?
Also add on Stunt #7 Arsenio Hall coming at his head about him being a Culture Vulture.
Stunted #8 His movie
It was David Bowie and Freddie Mercury.
Stunted was being kinda salty...this list proves it.
He had to break character just to talk about Vanilla Ice.
Hahahahaha I even hear is ebonics coming out lol
I can't believe that you didn't mention the following:
1. He was the first rapper to rap with Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.
2. Dude was from Carrollton, TX and lied and said he went to school in Miami with Luther Campbell.
3. He was the first rapper to have a song with Naomi Campbell and had a box office flop (Cool As Ice).
4. He tried to beef with Kid N Play--"The girls say they love me and that is ok, cause I can dance better than any Kid or Play." That was saying early 90s fighting words!!
5. He was on the same record label as Riff (the Fair Eastside guys from Lean On Me) and even had them singing backup on "I Love You".
I think I just stunted my own growth for remembering these facts. 😳🤦🏾♂️
That’s cuz dude don’t really know what he be talkin about
Lots of Rappers be lyin' about sh*t......and here is the thing. This may be off topic, however, Eazy E(I do give him credit in general), took some of DJ Quick's style.
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@@anatorres-ym8ke Don't play stupid.
@@borla4491 u cant even spell dj quik name right but callin me stupid 🤣
I dont blame him at all, the machine that was operating him is the one to blame, like in all cases. You have a bunch of people who think they know the culture and try to copy and paste it on anyone.
Yeah this is kinda weird IMO. Of course this guy was a clown, but he fits right in with EVERY popular rapper from 2007 on. Everything today is about pandering, clout & trends. Zero talent. At least back then the music had a good beat and the rappers rapped on top of it instead of in some weird cracked out cadence or with dogshit in their mouths lol.
Listening to the album took something out of Stunted Growth
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He heard 🗑️
I saw him a few years ago he can rock the crowd like an old pro I thought his music was wack but live he’s pretty fun.
I’m sure he got practice selling out arenas
Teena Marie was authentic, Average White band was authentic. This dude struck me as someone who grew up in the suburbs and was like, Oh this is how they act in the hood. If I do this or that I'll be cool, too. I knew dude was a phony from jump. Then his mom and all his friends came out and said that Robby doesn't even act like that. And he lied about winning motorcycle racing championships. Jus lying.
We knew he was fake as hell when he came out. None of us from our Era rocked with him for real. Check out the duo 3rd Bass. They are some real O.G. white rappers, & they clowned him heavy too. He is TRASH... 💯💯💯🙅🏾♂️
Let's get one thing straight, the UK was well aware of hip hop, way before Vanilla Ice....
I hear you
UK always had more connoisseurs of American music per capita, than America itself.
Sadly, he's better than some of the trash rappers out now...
Lmao! No doubt it. For 1989/1990, V.I.'s lyrical ability wasn't too bad. Dude worked his a** off on the indy scene to get to the mainstream success. Plenty of people can vouch
Factz
I was thinking that same thing. It's been plenty garbage that came out within the last ten years waaayy worse than him! Lyric & fliw wise, that is!
Str8 Facts..you ain't said nothing but a word🤣🤣🤣
@@djangofreeman9498 and they still promote it sasly been going on since 05 almost 20 years later and these labels or the industry still didn't learn
It's two things I will say that I liked about Vanilla Ice. One his dancing and his Never Wanna be Without You song. That song was dope to me and I don't care what anyone says. And if Vanilla Ice came out today and being a Rapper, he would've been more liked in today's time than back in the 90s.
With that snazzy outfit and goofy haircut? Bullshit. Rappers today would eat him alive.
@@damiendsoul360 If he survived in 90s he would surely survive today. Not only is the rap world much, much, gentler and more accommodating today, the audience is too. Rap was gritty. Today rap only plays gritty.
@@damiendsoul360 I'm sure if he came out today he wouldn't be dressing like 1989 lol 😆
@@damiendsoul360 With all the zesty ish that is out here now? He'll fit in perfectly.
@@onegoodthought6581 lucky he left before Biggie blew up. I remember 3rd Bass dissin Vanilla Ice and Hammer. Wack when I was 10 years old and still wack now.
That is crazy when you think about it. How something like hip hop is so commercialized that other races that pretty much ignorant to the history can just steal in and be accepted with the right marketing and features. You hit it on the head with Miley Cyrus. How she had a song with wiz and a Mike will made it beat and was known for twurking. Years later It was pretty much just passed off as a phase in her life and regret. Sometimes artist get blackballed from hip hop ( k. Fed ) but that's a minority case.
No white people been in it from the beginning
@@allenlavine1351 I don't remember whites being in hip hop since rappers Delight but I could Be wrong, lol. It might have been young white people but they were not movers and tastemakers of media and radio
@@allenlavine1351 yea as leeches
3rd Base?
I thought Vanilla Ice was ok. I think if he signed with Chuck D like he was going to originally he would have had a better outcome. His label played him.
Yup sbk fucked him over
Not necessarily because kid rock first album was produced by the shocklees they produced the public enemy albums
@@amancalledhawk5575 no they didn’t. He produced most of his own first album. Too Short Produced 2 songs. That’s crazy people can just put stuff in the internet that’s able to be googled.
@@mike7676ful man im going by what I read In a hip hop magazine back in the day if I'm wrong it's because I was given false information I just looked it up so I stand corrected
This is so different from your usual production. The lack of Background music and your boredom through out the video was funny af.
Factsssss
That's how wack Ice was though
I would like to know if you could do a stunted growth on Gerardo the artist that had the hit song Rico Suave! Thank you!
Oh damn, a lot of times I had do you remember...... conversations nobody knew who I'm talking about 😂😂😂😂
Yea, ol boy was an actor too I think.
Rrrrrico
Bruh what about vic mensa
Hey mane, idk I prolly asked before, but could you do an episode on Afroman? Man got shafted and never blew up on mainstream after universal. Idk he's one of my favorites living and no one shows love
th-cam.com/video/OMhLQ8MmO28/w-d-xo.html Kingpenn Monzoe better
That's what happens when you sucker punch women though.
Not gonna lie I didn't think I would see a stunted growth for Vanilla Ice. I think you need a growth to be stunted.
Fr, he didn't even sprout lmao
@@dmaster5556 very true. It was too cold to seed.
What's you talking about this man made millions And traveled all over the world Performing, His growth definitely got stunted
@@mjnari022 and crashed to the ground
Vanilla Ice was the first rapper to ever be cancelled. Hip Hop unanimously agreed he was wack. Thank goodness for actual standards back then. There were actual print magazines calling him wack, TV shows clowning him, rappers dissing in video and on wax. They got his ass up outta there. Time seems to have forgiven his wackness today tho.
I wish hip hop is like that in today's time we are wayyyyy too nice and overly politically correct when it comes to wack rappers that don't care about the culture but we defend the degenerates that constantly disrespect the culture and the pioneers in hip hop daily.
I appreciate your authenticity. Thanks for another dope video
This video was as cold as ice.
Back in those days the labels decided who got the shine and who didn't, not much has changed, rap is a lot like WWE wrestlin.
Say what you want but that beat was fire and the white boy could dance. And as far as the rapping goes I've heard waaaaay worse. I get it he's white and he was definitely pushed. But he's not the worse rapper you've ever heard stop it
I said the same Will Smith was cornier to be honest but I grew up on him lol it was the times
Facts. This guy just has as problem with white people doing "black culture" . But by that same token then black people shouldn't play golf, basketball, football, baseball, do country music or Rock.
W on all levels. Vanilla ice would have had an even longer career had it started in the early 80s. Probably would have had a legit 3 or 4 album run. He just got stuck in the changing of the guard from "corny 80s" era to "gangsta 90s" era.
@@period8705 Black artists invented rock though
@@period8705 Black ppl invented rock, and country music. Actually, black men were the first cowboys.
Vanilla Ice was just the white version of MC Hammer. Everything Hammer did, the dancing, the style, they just had Ice copy.
Yeah, but if we speaking metrics, Hammer was a better rapper...
@@jamesgibson3716 no doubt hammer was better. Ice was some executive attempt to replica Hammer but with a white guy.
Sadly no he isn't the worst rapper ever, these dudes like lil pump and 69 are much much worse
He is wack still. All of them wack, then and now.
@@2tamz603Nope, u might be prejudice.
Most appropriate episode of SG yet, your Bubba Sparxxx episode was great too (Do DAS EFX next.........) also I appreciated your realness - young people may not know that hip hop was segregated back then - radio stations wouldn't play it in the 1980s, there was an infamous David Bowie interview on MTV where he criticized the channel for not playing rap or black music in general, rap music was treated like cultural apartheid in the USA in the early and mid 1980s, and that is NOT a joke, when I was a kid, you had to check out public access or late-night TV to watch rap, rap did not penetrate every aspect of culture globally back then like today, it was looked down upon - after VI exploded, rap become more acceptable to the masses - that is both tragic and beneficial for hip hop I guess -
Just to give you something to hopefully find interesting but also annoying: a similar thing happened on perhaps a slightly smaller scale with Grime music in the UK, say 15 years ago. You had to stay up late to hear it, there was pirate radio stations, police locking shows off (which still has gone on in more recent years). Fast forward later when the genre gets mainstream attention the politicians are using artists image to get younger votes and benefit their own causes...
You should do more videos like this bro. I watch most of your videos and it’s nice to see something different from you.
Something different this wasn't even a Stunted growth video Hell the Sugar Hill gang gets more respect from the community these days than back then, no group was more hated than the Sugar Hill game
@@mjnari022 Word...
Youre off on this one. People read too much into Vanilla Ice and what he meant to hip hop. He was a gimmick rapper. And the gimmick worked. But he wasn't "wack" in the time in which Ice Ice Baby was created. He fit that small era where very commercial rap acts that wouldnt be considered REAL hip hop by any other era, nevertheless, kind of ruled the commercial air waves and were hand in hand with what we now consider the real hip hop scene which was still largely underground. The commercial success was in the gimmick rap and hiphopish acts. This was the era of C and C Music Factory...Mili Vanili..Marky Mark and the Funky Bunch.....Young MC...MC Hammer...Tone Loc..Kriss Kross...Rico Suave. These one hit and one Album wonders that sold lots of records And it was allowed because Rap and Hip hop were seen as a come and go fad. It was a sub genre of RnB. Rap/HipHop was like New Jack Swing and was supposed to disappear like New Jack Swing did. It was Not seen as having the potential to be a global music industry Titan it became. So there was no real investment into the culture by the mainstream. What killed Vanilla Ice...was the same thing that killed Tone Loc..Young MC...MC Hammer Rico Suave etc etc....what killed them was The Chronic. The Chronic really changed everything. The Chronic was a systemic shift in pop music that really washed away all the gimmick rap which had been allowed to coexist with the real hip hop. All those acts had 2 choices pack it on change with the times. Tone Loc went to acting an voice work...ditto for Marky Mark who became Mark Walberg.....Young MC disappeared...Rico Suave did the same...Milli Vanilli were exposed as frauds....C and C music factory met the same fate...Kriss Kross because they were so young were able to change it up and it was seen as their natural growth...but the two biggest sellers of the gimmick era were MC Hammer and Vanilla Ice. Both tried to adapt to the post Chronic era and both failed miserably. Everything you shame Vanilla Ice for trying is the same garbage MC Hammer tried to do. There was no vast conspiracy to make Vanilla Ice the face of hip hop because it didnt need a face...it was supposed fade out anyway. Then The Chronic hit and all the sudden it became evident that something real was here to stay. And it changed hip hip...it changed rock music it changed it all. It brought underground real hip hop mainstream and it completely cleaned out gimmicky musical acts in all genres if you think about it
Agreed.
I feel like you had to be at least a teenager in 1990 to understand what was going on.
Exactly That era between 1990 and 1992...as far as music goes (especially hip hop)...might as well have been a decade with how drastically the music scene changed. Like in 1991 Paula Abdul won a Grammy for song she did with a rapping cartoon cat. And it was considered hip hop and it topped that charts LOL
His flow was during the 1990's , just right for the times , when there was a variety , a buffet of rap styles . Today , there's only one and it's sad .
This was your best one yet. Pure cultural appropriation. They go hip-hop for the cred and money. Once they are popular they go back to their roots. I hate that 💩 it really hate it. Rob has never been hip-hop and never will be. He’s helping Amish off all people. Its always fun making money off black people, culture but they will never return the favor. Much respect for this episode. I live in the Netherlands and people over here don’t understand this.
Like MGK
@@seanlamar29 exactly 👍🏾
I spoke to vanilla ice manager recently. He’s working on a TV show and currently charging 50 thousand for features!
Yep I think his show is on HGTV, from what I've seen he looks to be just fine and doing quite well.
over 30 years later and we still talk about him. he's been a superstar, lived an amazing full life, is a decent and positive dude and is rich AF. The dude won.
Nobody asked. Lyrics are still lame.
@crazycj3822 who asked what you think on any subject? Especially Vanilla Ice lyrics!
@@bobdigi500 Your original comment didn't address the videos point at all. He didn't argue that vanilla ice wasn't successful. You used a strawman argument goofy.
exactly
Doesnt change the fact he had to sell his soul and pretend to be something he wasnt while taking advantage of/exploiting an already marginalized grp, who's culture and history has always been pilfered by men who look like him. So yeah if u go by the white man's definition of success, Vanilla Ice "won".
I liked this raw and uncut style video! Don’t get me wrong, I am a fan of your usually formatted videos, but this one felt like it came from your soul and I love it.
You should do one on Marky Mark a.k.a. Mark Wahlberg.
BUT...why?
This was hilarious and personal....probably the craziest Stunted Growth I've heard..bruh said Vanilla Ice wasn't even worth the accompanying music...
Homie sounds like a 100% certified hater on this 🤣
Not sure why I never assumed he had more than one song 😂
I appreciate you expressing how you really felt. Its funny you clearly don't like this dude lol. But, this video is one of your longer videos. I enjoyed it though....
He's like "look, I'm no playa hater" .... proceeds to playa hate 🤣🤣🤣 I love it
I am brown skin south Asian but I love and respect hip hop and uk hip hop I do my research and I never claimed to be part of the culture I only listen to it for good music
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A lot you stated here, Ive said the same thing about William Leonard Roberts. Keep up the great work. Great channel!
I met him in real life, real genuine down to earth dude. And you gotta admit all it takes is one hit and you'll be paid for the rest of your life💯👍🏾
I grew up in Farmers Branch (where he is from)
Vanilla Ice was about ten years before me.
He was widely known for throwing massive keg parties behind the Ace Hardware back in the day lol
When that music cut off, everything after was too real. All topics that discuss was true. Post Malone is another character
Post can actually rap tho I’d say it’s more riff raff
@@showtimesportsmedia6906 Post turned his back on hip hop just like the rest of them outside of Eminem of course.
@@deanbrooks7297 Iggy Azalea also
@@showtimesportsmedia6906 riff raff not a industry plant though, quite the opposite dude's hustlin for almost two decades by now
Cause black people are haters
What you said about Eminem is 💯 percent tru... That’s what separate him from the rest
We said that about all white rappers when they came out You should have heard the conversation when 3rd base came out, House of Pain, Young black teenagers, they all had respect
@@mjnari022 I was gonna say the same thing
There's a white female rapper named Sarai who had bars and can rap and Iggy Azalea literally took her whole shtick , and the media marketed her as the "female Eminem" in 2003 despite her and Eminem rapped completely different and it ruined it her success
Check out her song "Ladies" you'll see how much Iggy and other white female acts took her style and demeanour
@@Chuck_EL word up, respect ✊
Run-dmc’s Walk This Way was the first mainstream hit.
Beastie boys also hit the mainstream. Vanilla was just the first to get the executives believing it could be artificially created & packaged.
first mainstream hit was Rappers Delight
I thought Debbie Harry "rapping" on Rapture was the first rap mainstream hit.
@@NC-tt4gc it was the first mainstream hit that included rapping but was hardly a rap song.
@@seanthornton6844 rappers delight was not a mainstream hit, but it was the first rap song to be played on the radio so was undeniably pioneering. When talking about a mainstream hit, it's a song that is recognised in suburbs to projects from NY to Birmingham, Milwaukee to Portland and some international penetration at least as the US being a global market leader. I remember rappers delight from a few years later when rap was played on obscure radio stations on obscure radio shows at obscure hours.
One of the best one's yet man Haha. Thanks for all your hard work on these vids.
Gimmicks aren't even worth the mention for stunted growth
First time I hear you roasting a rapper since Mase
He should’ve added Pink and Justin Timberlake. However the other names he mentioned I never accepted into our culture. We are such a loving people we just let anyone into the barbecue. Dope video.
The Sugar hill gang were the first plants. Then followed by The Beastie Boys.
MGK is the NEW VANILLA ICE
Yup MC Hammer era, saved by the bell Zach Morris. He was the ghetto Zach Morris. Ninja Turtles movie era etc.
Do Big Lurch!!!!
Bro the way you broke down what hip hop was and has become in the beginning was perfect.
I agree with everything you said 💯💯 that’s what I always thought about him a character shoutout what he’s done for promoting hip hop mainstream but keeping the culture alive not so he considers it as a phase
Vanilla Ice has 2.3M monthly listeners on Spotify alone. Not my favorite rapper, in no shape or form but he’s literally 30 years or more deep in entertainment. The facts the facts
I like Rob Van Winkle....I was a freshman in high school when "Ice Ice Baby" single hit the radio....I actually thought "Ice Ice Baby" was Ice-T New song. You got to remember, the song dropped the before the video aired....when I seen he.was a white guy, blew my F-'ing mind ! I dug the song though.....🤠🤠🤠🤠🤠🤠🤠🤠
You should do Snow who was some white rapper who thought he was Jamaican from Canada. The song was called Informer.
Jazzy Jeff and the fresh prince got me listening to hip hop
Little known fact vanilla ice made up the “Ninja rap “ on the spot for the film . The lyrics were dope ! He actually loved the culture , i don’t think he deserves the hate , many rappers lie about their life in hiphop !
You got to do a stunted growth video on Biz Markie. I really felt the lawsuit that Gilbert O’Sullivan filed against him where he sampled one of his songs helped stunted his growth
Biz Markie🕊
#MakeTheMusicWithYaMouthBiz
RIP though 😪 😢 🙏 😔 he should be more respected
Vanilla Ice can't acknowledge hip-hop. He can acknowledge the part of his career where he made noise to just acknowledge hip-hop means acknowledging that his highest triumph is a joke. Within the hip-hop community, he's a punchline. Think about it, between his 2nd album & Em's first major debut, all white rappers had to have a rock band behind them. Because he was such a joke, he made it to where white rappers were completely unmarketable. There is no redemption for him within the hip-hop community. That's why he can't really acknowledge it. He probable be at home jammin tf outta some Future. Be ashamed when he get caught lol
Vanilla Ice is the most down to earth dude in the world but he still a one hit wonder. He was scared of Suge Knight at one point, so he doesn’t ever have to worry about him again. Today’s hip hop is worst than it’s ever been in the past 20 years. It’s a lot of one hit wonders who are only do it for money, so there is no passion for hip hop in them at all.
Keep this same energy when you do guys like Tekashi, Fat Joe, and others. You were right when you mentioned these other groups specifically.
i thought the beastie boys were the first to go mainstream
MC Hammer kind of ended up in the same boat when he went to death row, everyone remembered him in the baggy pants. Now Hammer is real and not to be played with, but the switch from the you can’t touch this to pumps and a bump was too much.
You have a lot valid points when you see this video but at the same time his first album sold a lot records and like you said hip hop went mainstream because of this and after that first album everything went down hill from their but he has a lot money to support his family. And on a side note I have a you tube channel type in Russell Mills May 22, 2017 to find me.
Mc hammer is better than vanilla ice
I like when you get real and talk like this about an artist, I would like to see you do it again
Arsenio Hall did an interview about finding out Vanilla Ice lied so much about his life.
If it wasn’t for Vanilla Ice, there would be no Death Row records 🤷🏾♂️
I'm a V Ice fan, I own the First LP and his 98 LP, he was a Product, not even of a time just in general...
He gets a Lot of shit for Reasons, some deserved... but he's a Uncut Gem an has some serious Songs
I'm glad there's some people here in this comment section who actually can actually appreciate the contributions that ice did to this business, he deserves more respect than this
Man plz....
@@Rackthanielz the truth man
3rd Bass buried him in the 90s
Decent artist turned Industry Plant.
Lol Stunted Growth broke character for the first time.. "What the f**k is a Vanilla Ice?" 😂😂😂
🤣🤣🤣 had me rolllling
You grab a ice cube & put some whip cream on it I guess
He should've did the Will Smith thing. He could've been cast as the Bank's neighbor , the white kid who liked ebony queens .
"because that's how black culture is, and we'll talk about that too, but just to give you snippet of it- its like in black culture right? We enjoy when people of other races imitate us."
WHOS MANS IS THIS!? lololol bro? gtfoh
I'd rather listen to Vanilla ice than Kodak black and hilariously Kodak just happened to pop up on screen right after I had that thought
The 1st industry plant in hip hop, the 1st rapper to have his credibility and career/success questioned by the masses and fortunately, got his ass erased his contributions and impact from the industry. Vanilla Ice as a gimmick in hip hop, in 2022, off of TikTok, can be somewhat successful, but in 1990, when Run-DMC, KRS 1, Public Enemy, N.W.A., and LL Cool J was dominating the charts and the mainstream focus, he came and whitewash the industry before Eminem came and destroy everything Vanilla Ice did before him. Yeah, VI did the same thing Hammer did, but he's white so it's viewed differently from his(Hammer) success and the industry took him and shot him from a cannon and made him the 1st crossover rap star, close to superstar. He just didn't get the opportunity to really stamp his name in the history books to where there's no debate about him, but the ppl found out the truth about him and his upbringing. This is pre-Internet and you couldn't lie about your credibility so Vanilla Ice died a slow death and silently started Death Row Records lol 😆 😂 🤣 💀 😅
You think vanilla was the first plant? Lol
Thisss 💯💯💯
@@vintage3262 In 1990, the official 11th year of hip hop being a genre of music overall, yes I honestly do believe he was the 1st. Added look at his discography... The label was pushing him as a interchangeable gimmick with the new flavor of the month. In the good words of Mr. O'Shea, "Think about it 🤔 "
Apples and oranges my man lol Vanilla Ice is more upbeat where his music keeps you emotionally grounded and Eminem is more introverted where gets music gets you rowed up for the most part. They were different lanes with two different vibes. So Eminem didn't destroy anything but just existed lol
The iceman is a legend
I wouldn't say Vanilla Ice brought hip-hop to the mainstream though. Run-DMC was mainstream and getting heavy rotation on MTV long before Vanilla was even in the rap game. I wouldn't even say the first white rapper to go mainstream cause the Beastie Boys did that already too.
Dope video but weird there is no background music on the commentary
Ninja Rap’s a classic!
8 yr old me fully agrees with this comment...
We invite too many ppl to our “cookout”
Vanilla Ice was definitely the first established industry plant in Hip-Hop history he was straight up corny.
Big Time
Have you done any west coast artists?
RBX
WC
MC ren
Mac Dre
I always said whoever wrote Ice Ice Baby was on one that night, if you really listen to what he is saying the sh!t is dope
Right? He’s talking about doing drive bys on the second verse!
Ice wrote that song himself at 16.
Yea, Ice underrated writer too.
That Vanilla Ice jam , and the sampled beat , was in heavy rotation during those times .
He got sued by David Bowie and Freddie Mercury for sampling their hit song Under Pressure.
Don’t front everybody was bumping Ice 🧊 Ice baby for a short amount of time in the 90”s💯😂
#facts
Lmaoooo once the music cut I KNEW what time it was 😩😩😩😅😂😂😂
I said “Damn no music foreal” he really was over it before it started.
Vanilla Ice wasn’t the only “industry plant” placed into black culture back then in regards to the industry. Research a Canadian rapper named Snow. He tried to rap as welll but almost in the style of reggae. He was the original Drake. We didn’t have many Canadian rappers on market in the U.S. back then.
Facts I remember him but snow was lyrical and he was good though he just fell off
The funny thing is, unlike Vanila Ice Snow was legit, dude grew up in the projects and hanged out with Jamaican immigrants n stuff, shit he was in jail when he learned that Informer (a song about snatching snitches) became a hit. He was even popular in Jamaica for awhile.
The dude was essentially a proto-Eminem minus the talent and having the It factor.
He made millions and everyone black, white and all colors bought that 1st album. I like your page alot, this was the first time I thought you sound more like a hater. What he did was actually really impressive.
He's a lyrical genius compared to the trap/mumble style of today
Hes wack and so is today's rappers.
Make one of the. Candyman, Young Black Teenagers