The real issue that should've been addressed is "Why doesn't MLB pursue other players who've abused substances with as much effort as they had with A-Rod"? This way A-Rod isn't being excused for his actions and at the same MLB would appear to be more fair with ALL offenders... Not just big-name ones.
The people who argue against Mike here don’t get it, The Daily News was doing a hatchet job against Arod, everything they reported was stuff that was done by many others. The News is known for shotty sports reporting. If there is an in-town athlete who doesn’t meet their high standards of how an athlete should be they relentlessly go after them. They did it with Arod, Revis, M.Wilerson. These guys are typical reporters who are jealous and want to knock down the people they can’t be
The reason The Daily News went after A Rod so hard was simply because it sold more papers. It boosted circulation because A Rod is a lightning Rod. Going after Ortiz was not gonna sell papers in New York. This is why they were not so interested to do that. It would not have paid off. This is obvious stuff. It was about money.
The breadth of their violations, in regards to both baseball policy and the law, were not even close to comparable. Ortiz was reportedly nailed in 2003 prior to official testing, and never once failed a test once penalties began in 2004. A-Rod not only admitted to taking steroids in 2001-03, he also failed multiple tests well after testing came in, and was involved in an illegal operation to sell PEDs to other MLB players. Of course there are also rumours that A-Rod did steroids going back to his junior year of HS, but that’s not exactly relevant to this suspension.
@@TheLocalLt You go look at Ortiz's baseball stats and you will find that he went from hitting about 10-15 homers a year with The Minnesota Twins to hitting about 45 a year with The Red Sox. And he kept this up until the last year of his career when he was nearly 40 years old.
I find it amazing how Mike was 110% on A-Rod's side throughout the whole process calling out MLB, not believing any evidence that was leaked to the media, calling the process a sham, etc... And after A-Rod finally relented and accepted his 150 game suspension, Mike has gone completely quiet on the matter and I think discussed it 1 afternoon for about an hour after a caller brought it up. In the end, he was completely on the wrong side of the argument and has completely swept the whole saga under the rug.
Mike was right, MLB and the NY Daily News were hell bent on getting A-Rod while MLB illegally bought stolen documents and the NYDN didn't go after them for it at all.
Listen, dummy. You might be too stupid to understand this, but Mike wasn't defending ARod's actions as much as attacking MLB's actions. Mike's stance was that baseball should be above paying in cash for evidence that was likely illegal. Baseball should be above singling out one player to clean up its image. ARod is a liar and a thief, but ARod is just one player. He's already done playing. MLB is the institution, and they must protect their integrity decade after decade. I hope you can understand that explanation, but I won't keep my fingers crossed, as you are most likely a moron.
Both if ya exactly right. Mike is not stupid. I'm sure he knew he took steroids. He admitted to taking it in 2003 and had better numbers later in his career. But that isn't the point at all. The point is the 1 sided nature of the investigation. The Yankees basically fired him over this.
mikes point is baseball went after a-rod selectively.....and that appears to be true. remember the list used to attack a-rod was never made public and his name was the only one leaked off that list to this day. this argument here is interesting to no one because the facts are not known so who can follow it.
The comments towards Francesa that are just ignorant are because there is just a dislike for him but he knows his stuff. O'Keeffe stumbled all over Mike's questions and that sounds like no creditability from this guy. Mike is arrogant but he is the best in the game when it comes to sports talk radio...these nonsense comments are from people listening to dumb radio like Opie & Anthony (no longer on the radio)!!!
+Otto TheOrange What is sad is the guy writes all this in the paper & travels and gets all the 'info leaked ' to him and we read it ..then ..arod comes back and hits homeruns and no one gives a fuck about what he did ..plain and simple ..win and no on cares .
+El Pizza Guapo i get it but this okeeffe guy was lawst, you can tell he didnt realize before going on the show that he knew very little about the situation he was writing about and tried to attack mike by saying that hes pals with a-rod and saying can I talk? when he wasnt getting anywhere anyway
Actually, he’s entirely factually wrong. When interviewed by the FBI, A-Rod admitted to everything. Francesa was a PR man for a total piece of s*** who did use steroids and did lie about it.
Mike is Integrity. True to his word and stands by what he believes in. O'Keefe acts like a kid who tries to explain what happened when his Dad comes home from work.
Boy this O'Keefe was dishonest about a lot of things.. That said Francessa went on a lot about MLB ethics here and frankly I don't really care about that. A-Rod is guilty we all know this lying is like breathing for this guy. So whatever MLB did to get the goods on him is fine by me.
Mike talks about having integrity going against the Yankess, who pay him a fortune. That was easy to do at this point, he was already rich. If he was starting out as a new talk show host, he wouldnt of said shit, he would've fell in line n kept his mouth shut.
If he was "starting out as a new talk show host" his opinion wouldn't have mattered worth a damn and he wouldn't have been making a fortune from the Yankees🤣. That would be the easiest time to take anyone on. TF are you even talking about🤣. 99% of gutless media people never would've done something like this no matter what stage of their career. Just starting out making little money somewhere, that's the easiest time to take a stand because you're trying to make a name for yourself and have absolutely nothing to lose. People that make a lot of money with nice cushy jobs like this enjoy making more of it and as much as possible. They aren't out there risking that by biting the hand that feeds them, especially at this stage of Mike's career🤣. Just a brainless take.
See this what I don’t understand, these great players like A-Rod, Bonds, Clemens...suspension is clearly not enough...they should be stripped of their accolades as well...if we can live in a country where Joe Paterno can labeled a scapegoat and get stripped of wins...I don’t see any reason the same cannot be done in any other sport to would be hall of famers.
No, he doesn’t. He bullied the guy and talked over him, but he was factually wrong about everything. A-Rod admitted everything to the FBI. Francesa ought to have been fired for this. This was completely unethical journalism. He used his position to try to run PR for a man who was clearly guilty. Mike Francesa is a gross human being.
I don't watch baseball, I don't have an opinion or care about what they are arguing about, but my God Mike is incapable of shutting the fuck up & letting another person talk. I don't know if the other dude is right, wrong or in the middle, but Mike's inability to just shut up & let the other side finish a thought makes me just want to side with the other guy, regardless of what he's saying.
No, he didn’t. He tried to bully him, but in the end, A-Rod admitted to everything. MLB was right. THE DAILY NEWS was right. A-Rod used tons of steroids and HGH over many years. Mike Francesa was acting as a mouthpiece for this steroids-using loser. F*** A-Rod and Francesa.
This guy okeefe is such a clown. He thinks telling mike to "let him speak" is getting him anywhere. He didn't say a single good point the entire interview. Zero evidence presented.
Arguably the best of all time??? I admit I'm a Red Sox fan from Ma. But the guy was a bum in the postseason except for 2009. Sox world champs...again. I was shocked of all guys that Judge walked by the Sox locker room with the " New York..New York song and that was the last time.
That's kind of the entire point for anyone with literally half a brain. The Daily News and MLB were going after one dude for a reason: money, and using trash, unethical, dirtbag tactics to do so. Nothing to do with jack shit for integrity of the game. If that mattered they would've been going after others with the same intensity but of course never did.
My God, this guy does not give anyone he confronts a chance to make a point. His show today had to be rigged because every caller agreed with him that MLB singled out AROID. I applaud YES for yanking his show.
BBQ Ntwk and since you wrote this, he has a cameo in the new Adam Sandler movie... So to answer your question, he’d play himself, because there’s no chance in hell the ol’ blowhard would miss an opportunity to celebrate himself 😂
mikes more aggressive and more comfortable on his territory, but okeefe has facts on his side, mike needs to get off the payroll of the wilpons and arod
O’Keefe embarrassed himself. Francesa proved how selective the Daily News was. Bud Selig enabled steroids and illegally bought medical records and silence
No, he didn’t. He bullied him and talked over him. A couple weeks after this interview, A-Rod was interviewed by the FBI under penalty of perjury and admitted to everything. Mike Francesca’s performance was dreadful. A-Rod must have bribed him to run PR and damage control. All his stuff with A-Rod during this time, while hilarious, is also disgraceful. Francesa should have been taken off the air for this. What a loser.
Mike is incapable of letting other people talk. I'll bet that every one of his arguments with his wife ends with "YOU DON'T KNOW HOW GOOD YOU GOT IT, LADY!!"
I remember listening to this live. Francesa was on top of the world at this point. The good ol' days..
@@stevenholmes4324 haha yeah, agreed. Carton and Roberts is unbearable. You wouldn't even know it's a sports show most of the time.
@@stevenholmes4324 don't know how they're beating Kay in the ratings..says a lot for Kay's show I guess
and this guy owned him
Quit lying
@@SM-kq6tlNo he didn't.
Listening in 2024. I couldn’t stand MF for the longest time but I always found myself listening to him. Now I realize why he was actually great
It never gets old watching this. It’s so hilarious
I come back to this like once a year after randomly thinking about it and laughing. fucking classic late era moment
Talking about steroid era of baseball:
Francesa: Everyone was still cheering and going to games
O'Keefe: Not the Daily News
O'Keefe is full of crap!!!
"There's an audience listening - you gotta explain stuff to them" LOLOLOL
classic Daily News stooge
The real issue that should've been addressed is "Why doesn't MLB pursue other players who've abused substances with as much effort as they had with A-Rod"? This way A-Rod isn't being excused for his actions and at the same MLB would appear to be more fair with ALL offenders... Not just big-name ones.
Yep, you just nailed one of the main points.
Living with this loud, sensitive and never wrong egomaniac must just be wonderful
How do you know what he’s like off the air?
Nice hair piece
I thought the same thing.
respect for this dude to show up. he certainly knew walking into the place it was going to be a battle. obviously there's a history between the two
Mike “CAN I FINISH PLEASE” O’Keefe
Mike giving A-Rod a bro hug. Now that's funny.
He knew he was being dragged at that point. Reaching at its finest.
The people who argue against Mike here don’t get it, The Daily News was doing a hatchet job against Arod, everything they reported was stuff that was done by many others. The News is known for shotty sports reporting. If there is an in-town athlete who doesn’t meet their high standards of how an athlete should be they relentlessly go after them. They did it with Arod, Revis, M.Wilerson. These guys are typical reporters who are jealous and want to knock down the people they can’t be
Oh please. Mike's radio career was forged on the basis of his biases toward local players, liked and disliked.
@@hd-xc2lz that’s simply not true
The reason The Daily News went after A Rod so hard was simply because it sold more papers. It boosted circulation because A Rod is a lightning Rod. Going after Ortiz was not gonna sell papers in New York. This is why they were not so interested to do that. It would not have paid off. This is obvious stuff. It was about money.
Daily news cover New York sports!!
Plus A rod is so unlikeable especially in those days
The breadth of their violations, in regards to both baseball policy and the law, were not even close to comparable.
Ortiz was reportedly nailed in 2003 prior to official testing, and never once failed a test once penalties began in 2004.
A-Rod not only admitted to taking steroids in 2001-03, he also failed multiple tests well after testing came in, and was involved in an illegal operation to sell PEDs to other MLB players.
Of course there are also rumours that A-Rod did steroids going back to his junior year of HS, but that’s not exactly relevant to this suspension.
@@TheLocalLt You go look at Ortiz's baseball stats and you will find that he went from hitting about 10-15 homers a year with The Minnesota Twins to hitting about 45 a year with The Red Sox. And he kept this up until the last year of his career when he was nearly 40 years old.
Regardless of how you feel about him, Mike is definitely one of the GOATs
He was dead wrong on A-Rod to this day... Mike developed a personal relationship with A-Rod which he lies about here.. And he shilled for him..
Not.
@@CharmDupes1300 you’re NOT intelligent
@@MD-ds6ig The same goat that falls asleep and farts on the air?
@@CharmDupes1300 Yeah
I find it amazing how Mike was 110% on A-Rod's side throughout the whole process calling out MLB, not believing any evidence that was leaked to the media, calling the process a sham, etc... And after A-Rod finally relented and accepted his 150 game suspension, Mike has gone completely quiet on the matter and I think discussed it 1 afternoon for about an hour after a caller brought it up. In the end, he was completely on the wrong side of the argument and has completely swept the whole saga under the rug.
Mike was right, MLB and the NY Daily News were hell bent on getting A-Rod while MLB illegally bought stolen documents and the NYDN didn't go after them for it at all.
Listen, dummy. You might be too stupid to understand this, but Mike wasn't defending ARod's actions as much as attacking MLB's actions. Mike's stance was that baseball should be above paying in cash for evidence that was likely illegal. Baseball should be above singling out one player to clean up its image.
ARod is a liar and a thief, but ARod is just one player. He's already done playing. MLB is the institution, and they must protect their integrity decade after decade.
I hope you can understand that explanation, but I won't keep my fingers crossed, as you are most likely a moron.
Both if ya exactly right. Mike is not stupid. I'm sure he knew he took steroids. He admitted to taking it in 2003 and had better numbers later in his career. But that isn't the point at all. The point is the 1 sided nature of the investigation. The Yankees basically fired him over this.
Couldn't agree more!!!
@@opannefrank1986 mlb did the right thing taking down a roid
In New York, this is called exchanging pleasantries
12:40-12:44 The perfect Diet Coke commercial right there.
CAN I FINISH, PLEEEEAAASSSEEE!!!!!!!!
he's like michelle tanner that guy.. "ohhhh pleaseeeeee"
mikes point is baseball went after a-rod selectively.....and that appears to be true.
remember the list used to attack a-rod was never made public and his name was the only one leaked off that list to this day.
this argument here is interesting to no one because the facts are not known so who can follow it.
14:36 “that’s my business, that’s called a sawurce”
I always wondered what was up with Mike's bottom teeth during this interview, it looked like they were ready to pop out at any second
Mike is this close to looking at producer and saying “oooh this fucking guy!”
I thought that Mike kicked O'Keefes ass, here. Just my opinion.
"How many guys comprise your unit?"....
Mike francesa licking his dry lips with his dentures in his mouth...funny
😂
The comments towards Francesa that are just ignorant are because there is just a dislike for him but he knows his stuff. O'Keeffe stumbled all over Mike's questions and that sounds like no creditability from this guy. Mike is arrogant but he is the best in the game when it comes to sports talk radio...these nonsense comments are from people listening to dumb radio like Opie & Anthony (no longer on the radio)!!!
+Otto TheOrange What is sad is the guy writes all this in the paper & travels and gets all the 'info leaked ' to him and we read it ..then ..arod comes back and hits homeruns and no one gives a fuck about what he did ..plain and simple ..win and no on cares .
+RB2331 well said, and I think his cousin is in jail now because of him. Great human being.
yep ..the guy is a serial liar ..and now that he has a good season ...he is 'our guy ' again ..fuck Arod !
+RB2331 go cry some more
lol....fk Arod ...cant wait to he retires !
Dude is out of his league
Great stuff. It’s missing today
FUN FACT: Mike Francesa & Rosie O'Donnell are the same person.
Where's the "fun" part?
Conceptually what is the difference between receiving information from a source and receiving information via a leak
Mike F. made this guy look like a fool loll
It looks like he pulled that hair piece out of a sewer line.
Okeefe looks like he pulled that wig out of an 80s porn video
Clearly Mike O'Keefe was absolutely right on and takes thatt hard questions
Cleary you are one of the dumbest humans to ever live
mike is such a badass. THATS CALLED A SAWCE, you just got poped O'keeffe. This guy should know who hes talking too. THATS MR.FRANCESA TO YOU BUDDY!!!1
Michael O'Queef
I love watching this over and over.
I can actually smell A-Rod in Mike's breath.
+El Pizza Guapo i get it but this okeeffe guy was lawst, you can tell he didnt realize before going on the show that he knew very little about the situation he was writing about and tried to attack mike by saying that hes pals with a-rod and saying can I talk? when he wasnt getting anywhere anyway
How do you know what A Rods ROD smells like dude?...Nevermind DONT answer
That’s what you fantasize about? You need help
@@joechrow8341 Hey Siri, what’s hyperbole?
You're pathetic
Mike should have asked him why they used to bring pistols to the game, as I hear Baseball is a crazy grame
theres not a damn thing that Mike says that is factually wrong here, just saying.
Actually, he’s entirely factually wrong. When interviewed by the FBI, A-Rod admitted to everything.
Francesa was a PR man for a total piece of s*** who did use steroids and did lie about it.
24:23 Mike calls A-Rod "BAE-ROD" LMAO
of course baseball matter conducts
@@magicaIpineapple I was gonna say am I the only one who caught that…I thought I was losing it for a second lmaoo😂😂
This guy should have just said it's not personall it's business. End of story Mike Wins
Mike with his new Dentures...They make his mouth look funny when he talks
What if the moon was made of cheese is all I got out of this. Jollies
pope on fire! these guys wont be having beers together anytime soon
Is this the “JASON GIAMBI’s AVAILABLE” interview?
Francesa won. He was AWESOME !!!
He made a complete fool of himself as usual.
Mike is Integrity. True to his word and stands by what he believes in. O'Keefe acts like a kid who tries to explain what happened when his Dad comes home from work.
They are both pieces of garbage.
@@hueynewt1 That's what his fans call "winning"
@@zachshaw951 He won. He got him to admit the MLB used CA$H to buy stolen documents. The guy nearly soiled himself when that came out.
When Francesa looks in a mirror , he sees A-Rod's dupe staring back at him .
I remember this so well. It was awesome!
That rug on O’Keefe is wild
That Micheal okeefee has the worst hair ever. If that’s a wig he’s fooling hisself
Timothy L can't be worse then mine I have no Hair
Boy this O'Keefe was dishonest about a lot of things.. That said Francessa went on a lot about MLB ethics here and frankly I don't really care about that. A-Rod is guilty we all know this lying is like breathing for this guy. So whatever MLB did to get the goods on him is fine by me.
So you don’t care about MLB illegally buying medical records but care that A-Rod was lying? You’re a special kind of fraud, huh
Then you’re a fraud
Mike Francesa love hearing himself talk
Mark Warner And Mike Okeefe loves reading his own articles.
Tankus owned this dude
If you look close you can see some of A Rods load around Mike’s lips
And you can see MLB's load all over Michael O'Keefe's face.
@@GrayRedRoom And in his absurd wig.
Mike talks about having integrity going against the Yankess, who pay him a fortune. That was easy to do at this point, he was already rich. If he was starting out as a new talk show host, he wouldnt of said shit, he would've fell in line n kept his mouth shut.
If he was "starting out as a new talk show host" his opinion wouldn't have mattered worth a damn and he wouldn't have been making a fortune from the Yankees🤣. That would be the easiest time to take anyone on. TF are you even talking about🤣. 99% of gutless media people never would've done something like this no matter what stage of their career. Just starting out making little money somewhere, that's the easiest time to take a stand because you're trying to make a name for yourself and have absolutely nothing to lose. People that make a lot of money with nice cushy jobs like this enjoy making more of it and as much as possible. They aren't out there risking that by biting the hand that feeds them, especially at this stage of Mike's career🤣. Just a brainless take.
Why your parents didn't use a wire hanger is beyond me
I am Francesa fan but Mike was dead wrong in his defense of Rodriguez.
See this what I don’t understand, these great players like A-Rod, Bonds, Clemens...suspension is clearly not enough...they should be stripped of their accolades as well...if we can live in a country where Joe Paterno can labeled a scapegoat and get stripped of wins...I don’t see any reason the same cannot be done in any other sport to would be hall of famers.
When did Bonds and Clemens use? Exact dates only. Thanks
Mike owned this clown, okay
But Francessa wins the debate hands down!
No, he doesn’t. He bullied the guy and talked over him, but he was factually wrong about everything. A-Rod admitted everything to the FBI.
Francesa ought to have been fired for this. This was completely unethical journalism. He used his position to try to run PR for a man who was clearly guilty. Mike Francesa is a gross human being.
I don't watch baseball, I don't have an opinion or care about what they are arguing about, but my God Mike is incapable of shutting the fuck up & letting another person talk. I don't know if the other dude is right, wrong or in the middle, but Mike's inability to just shut up & let the other side finish a thought makes me just want to side with the other guy, regardless of what he's saying.
I think Mike is entertaining but you’re right lol. He’s an egomaniac
This O'Keefe buried himself. He's a disgrace
This is why Mike is the best.......If O'Keeffe wants to be stroked, he should go on ESPN, FOX, or CBS radio.
Francesa: that’s my opinion. O’Keeffe: we’ll your opinion is wrong.🤔
WAIT A SECOND...(drink Diet Coke)...I LOVE A-Roid, OK. A-Rod sent me the transcript so I would keep defending him, OK.
When did that happen?
Of course he did he never let the other guy talk.
i measured the time of talk. okeefe had 6 minutes of extra time.
Measured the time? That's extremely sad.
@@sinical1031I mean it's kind of sad to say he never let the other guy talk when he had six minutes of extra time
Get him Mike
There's no bar here
Francesa burned this dude!
No, he didn’t. He tried to bully him, but in the end, A-Rod admitted to everything. MLB was right. THE DAILY NEWS was right. A-Rod used tons of steroids and HGH over many years.
Mike Francesa was acting as a mouthpiece for this steroids-using loser. F*** A-Rod and Francesa.
Francesa Wrecks Him
If not letting him talk means "wrecked" him, you're right.
Sinical the more he talked the worse it got. Dude couldn’t get out of his own way.
This guy okeefe is such a clown. He thinks telling mike to "let him speak" is getting him anywhere. He didn't say a single good point the entire interview. Zero evidence presented.
Arguably the best of all time??? I admit I'm a Red Sox fan from Ma. But the guy was a bum in the postseason except for 2009. Sox world champs...again. I was shocked of all guys that Judge walked by the Sox locker room with the " New York..New York song and that was the last time.
O’Keefe was out of his element.
24:28..... Run that by me one more time
That's kind of the entire point for anyone with literally half a brain. The Daily News and MLB were going after one dude for a reason: money, and using trash, unethical, dirtbag tactics to do so. Nothing to do with jack shit for integrity of the game. If that mattered they would've been going after others with the same intensity but of course never did.
14:36 “That’s called da sauce.”
O'Keeffe WAIT A SECOND!!
My God, this guy does not give anyone he confronts a chance to make a point. His show today had to be rigged because every caller agreed with him that MLB singled out AROID. I applaud YES for yanking his show.
Okeefe,you are a great man
Francesca is a damn treasure.
Read the paper Mike
Exactly
blowhard does pretty well here
I agree. Fransesa went after him pretty good.
Thanks Mike..
who would you cast if you were making a movie about Mike Francesa? I think Robert De Niro or Chazz Palminteri would be good
BBQ Ntwk and since you wrote this, he has a cameo in the new Adam Sandler movie...
So to answer your question, he’d play himself, because there’s no chance in hell the ol’ blowhard would miss an opportunity to celebrate himself 😂
Who would want to make a movie about this jerk off? You can see his teeth from outer space. Obviously a Rodriguez fan boy
Schirripa ?
Dustin Hoffman hands down .
Rosie O'donnell would be the perfect choice to play Francesa
Biden trump debate 😂
Francesa buried this guy lol
N-N-N-N-N-N-NOONAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mike is Super Boss! He is one of my heros.
Pick better heroes. And learn how to spell while you’re at it.
That’s pretty sad.
mikes more aggressive and more comfortable on his territory, but okeefe has facts on his side, mike needs to get off the payroll of the wilpons and arod
O’Keefe embarrassed himself. Francesa proved how selective the Daily News was. Bud Selig enabled steroids and illegally bought medical records and silence
Mike's making this guy looks stupid for once
That is the worst hairpiece I've ever seen
I've gone afta da yankees, da yankees pay me a fawchun!!
Ahhhhh
Baseball matters conduct
Does anybody think. David ortiz. DIDNT. Do steroids….. ? Lmfaoo.
Mike was right
Mike is a land whale...put the fork down!
They should dump him in the ocean with his family. Give him cinder block shoes.
MIKE OWNED THIS CLOWN
No, he didn’t. He bullied him and talked over him. A couple weeks after this interview, A-Rod was interviewed by the FBI under penalty of perjury and admitted to everything.
Mike Francesca’s performance was dreadful. A-Rod must have bribed him to run PR and damage control. All his stuff with A-Rod during this time, while hilarious, is also disgraceful. Francesa should have been taken off the air for this. What a loser.
i'm confused. who am i supposed to root for here.
In Mikes mouth his bottom teeth are his top teeth
His microphone must smell like rotten carcass and the NY Knicks semen
Both talking over each other, no real conversation. Frustrating
Whitey Bulger....KNAW I HAVE SUM QUESTIONS KNAW
Hey, who`s the pope of this dump?
Mike needs to turn off his mike and go home
Mike is incapable of letting other people talk. I'll bet that every one of his arguments with his wife ends with "YOU DON'T KNOW HOW GOOD YOU GOT IT, LADY!!"
Imagine plagiarizing a famous comedian in a TH-cam comment section
Gj stealing a bill burr line
You’re incapable of understanding anything
@@xerxes2044 did he say it on O&A?