The Challenge of Heavy Wagon Hub Bands for the Water Wagon Wheels | Engels Coach
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- The Borax water wagon has heavier hub bands than other wagon hubs, making then much more difficult to roll and install. Using an Eureka No. 2 hand crank roller, I roll these 3/8" bands cold, preparing them for being hot shrunk onto the hubs. These bands are what strengthens the hubs as the wheels are being built and while in use on the water wagon.
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I too am a craftsman and do exacting work, but I would be honored to sweep this mans shop floor and be grateful to be in the same room as this master craftsman. This man is awesome.
Same. I know this is old comment, but I've gone back and watched all of his videos over the past few months or so as I get time. I'm up to here now. Plus watching his new ones. And keeping up with my other channels I watch. I don't think I can get tired of watching him work. Hopefully before he retires I can make it out to his shop and meet him and watch him work in person.
As a boy, I found a pile of rotted wagon wheels and hubs beside the granary on my grandparents' farm in WVa. I took one of the hub-bands off to the shop where I found some heavy gauge steel wire. I cut off a length of wire and bent one end around for a handle. The other end I first bent back in a U-shape, then bent a right angle so the U-shape was cross-wise to the wire. I used that wire to push the hub-band all over the place. A few years later, when I was big enough to handle it, I took one of the steel tires and rolled it to the top of the hill up behind the house and farm buildings. Once up there, after catching my wind, I pushed that tire off over the side of the hill. It rolled forever until it hit a tree and knocked off a big chunk of bark. Whatever it took to catch a kids fancy in those days!!! Enjoy watching and appreciate your work.
A little heat, a good hammer and a strong anvil. What else can a blacksmith ask for? ...Art
You are part woodworker and part blacksmith making these wheels and hubs. All craftsmanship. I also appreciate how well you edited down the video so we could see all the steps and the hard work with out getting monotonous .
I think my favorite thing about these videos are the responses. No sass, no snarky or snide comments. Just admiration and appreciation. And some really intelligent questions. AND some of the detailed and knowledgeable answers from other respondents. Great stuff people.
Not only are you a Very Skilled Craftsman, but the way your shop and tools are organized is very impressive. Each tool has its own spot to rest until it is needed for the next step in the process. Specially built stands and bench tops wherever needed. I especially liked the. wrench with the welded nut in
place to clamp down the hub to its work stand.. such impressive organization.. Thank You, Sir for sharing some of your knowledge with us..
I enjoy watching you work. I tinker in blacksmithing (just for fun not profit) and I get a kick out of watching things being made the way they once were. Your dedication to your craft is commendable.
Can’t help being absorbed by these videos of people doing "real" work, and this whole wagon wheel thing, lots and lots of experience and craftmanship. I doff my (imaginary) hat to you, Sir! :)
Between the burning wood, burning motor oil, wet wood from steaming, grease on the old machinery, saw dust, metal dust ect this shop has got to smell like heaven. Or at least like heaven to some of us. Always a pleasure to watch a craftsman make their job look so easy when it's not.
*******every minute of this half hour session had me vocally aloud saying repeatedly "HOW COOL IS THAT!?"******* LOVED EVERY MINUTE OF IT!! My Grandfather would have enjoyed all of these works! miss you Lee R. Sutherland!
Always a pleasure watching you at work so much of a skill
I FOR ONE WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR BEING SO WILLING TO PASTON YOUR KNOWLEDGE AND EXPERIENCE
Amazing workmanship, and obvious wealth of knowledge with countless hours of experience. No apprentice? What's the future of this craftsmanship?
watching you work with such ease and grace is a real pleasure. You are a great craftsman!!
i could watch these videos all day .. unlike most of the US reality shows where everyone is loud and shouts a lot , these are so calm and just relaxed ... could be a little village in the west of England ...
love your back ground music just about put you to sleep watching you
I unconditionally love watching people use their hands to produce anything. this video was enchanting. You, Sir, inspire me.
i can see why your equipment works so well you take good care of it
what a pleasure to watch a true craftsmen at work!! I'm a carpenter and I truly appreciate the work of a master love the videos
As I watch all of your videos I can't help but wish I could partake in all the wonderful smells of cut/burnt wood and steel as you work them !!
Really like watching these videos. I always think people nowadays do not appreciate the fact the real world depends on people making things, using the old techniques or the modern equivalent, instead of apps and mobile phones.
It's a plessure watch a Master Skills do his fine Work 👍👍👍😊
Your videos bring back many fond memories of my Grandfather and my Dad. My Grandfather was a Farrier, Blacksmith, and Mule Trader for all the farmers back in the day. Oh, and he was a Shoe Cobbler too. I remember watching him and my Dad repair a wheel for a buckboard, mounting the steel tire was a treat to watch. They pulled it out of the fire and dropped it over, he then stood it up in a shallow hole filled with water. My Dad would rotate it pulling up on the spokes while he knocked it true.
Kieth Rucker (Vintage Machinery.org) spoke about the EngelsCoachShop - I'm hooked. What extraordinary multi discipline skills Mr Engels. I am in awe of the mastery you exhibit. Thanks Bill B, England.
So much work, patience, absolute skill, pride.
So very interesting , so many aspects of engineering , for different jobs , and when it's not your own forte, it's great to see another craftsman working , with the experience and knowledge of so many years , your work and indeed your workshop , are places of collective machinery slowly over time honed to do the job intended, and it's an utter pleasure , watching these projects of a bygone age , take shape , many thanks 🇬🇧
As the boss of the A Team always said -- I like it when a plan comes together.
Couldn't come any better.
Thanks for another really good video. I've just been commenting this afternoon on a few other channels I enjoy, and I'll add yours for the same reasons: excellent pacing/editing, nice calm approach, limited use of the speed-up-through-the-boring-parts feature. Excellent workmanship and problem solving, etc. Very good camera angles, and most appreciated - a distinct focus on the work you are doing and not just on yourself. Really well done and appreciated. Damn shame I don't see a full time apprentice, but I know how that goes these days.
I thought I was pretty handy around the shop, in both wood and metal, but watching you makes me very glad just to look over your shoulder. Thank you so much!
I get tired just watching you work. Excellent workmanship, caring quality.
Excellent. The editing ,ff and slow-mo camera work is very well done. I learn something with each video. Awesome, thank you, Jim
With the weight of the hub's getting heavier, it looks so light the way you handle them, great job again and thanks to do us the pleasure of showing it!
Amongst all the Borax waggon builders that I know, you're the best. Seriously though, you are a pleasure to watch. Great videos.
my great grandfather was a wagon builder. nice to be able to see this
I have watched a few of your video's and i need to ask "where is your apprentice!" what a loss if you don't pass this on. Thanks very well done
Roderick storey your not wrong..
I imagine it's hard to find a healthy young person who is both interested in working hard and learning this.
This guy is extremely skilled. What a pleasure to watch.
I've said it before and I'l say it again .. We love watching you at your trade .. and how you direct your videos .. Thank you.
Such a pleasure to watch a master at work. I had a calling from early childhood, and I followed it to the master level also, but I became ill at age 34 and it was all taken away from me. Now I feel so lost, but at least I can still watch.
If heaven had a workshop like that waiting for me I'm ready to die.
Always loved watching you work !!
Unfortunately you are probably one of the Last men that actually knows how to do wagon wheels and hubs, it looks like very hard work but you make it look easy👍👍👍 Be safe out there.. God Bless
Working on hubs truly a work of art!
You are truly a craftsman
Love your work , I could sit here all day and watch , and sometimes I do , thanks for filming and posting and educating all of us.
I just love that part where all them bands get welded automagically while being moved from anvil to the shop floor... : )
Thanks for keeping a lost art alive
My arm is aching just watching you do all of that hammering 😂 Another job well done!
Now that right there is one heck of a workout. The strength of wood under compression.
Hi again from England
It's always nice to see a craftsman at work...
Soul food..
It's when you watch these kinds of stuff that you realise just how much work went into making an everyday thing...like a wheel...
Interestingly enough...the British 18 pound field gun (a WW1 light artillery piece) used wooden spoked wheels...
As did various American military vehicles such as the FWD and the LIBERTY truck...also from WW1...
So, such wheels were still in general use and being "in service" maintained...quite late on...
Since watching your videos, I'll never look at an old wagon or wheel the same again.
You always make it look so easy
I got nothing but respect for you Old timer.Im 32 years old and my back has seen its best of days many moons ago so watching you do that back breaking stuff like pick up those hubs and set them down ,bending over etc etc I tip my hat to you. Aside from that your work is spot on as you mentioned with steel that thick you had to pay attention to detail.
Were we to adopt the Japanese mindset towards our master craftsmen, you would be one of our national treasures. Thank you for sharing your time with us.
I hope you enjoy doing what you do as much as we do watching you do what you do.
First of your videos I have seen, great to watch, gives me some understanding of the skills my great-grandfather had as a master carriage maker beginning in the 1870's.
There are several disciplines involved to do this task. I may never need to make a wagon wheel, but I have learnt quite a few things, which can be applied elsewhere. Thank you. You are indeed a master craftsman.
Mr Engels you always make it look so easy. But I know you got one upper body work out today. it is always a joy watching you. thank you
A workout, yes...he recently called it the "wood gym"...
It is pure pleasure watching a master craftsman at work
NO KIDDING! The patience and work ethic are inspiring. And he's not a young man, but he just plugs away and gets it done.
Another enjoyable Friday night with the wheelwright.
Awesome talent that still exists in the 21century. Thank you for sharing. ☺
Seeing your blacksmiths vise, memories, I grew up beside and working with those, even larger in my grandfather’s shop. Love your old machinery and I am amazed by your skill and about how determent you are to complete a job regardless it’s difficulties. Thanks for the videos I enjoy them all more than once.
Brings a whole new meaning to going into the tire store, and buying a new set of rims.
Thanks for the education.
'And that's how that's done...." Nothing short of amazing.
and it if one of the nicest park of my week to sit down and watch your video. I always seem to learn something.
An other incredible video Mr Engels. Watching how you turn raw stock into wagon wheels is watching a Master Craftsman at work. Learned several more things today.
Another great lesson on how to be a master craftsman.
How nice to see a man with a really sharp pen knife.
This is one of my favourite TH-cam channels.
How in the world did the long ago coach makers do this without todays machinery!? It is mind boggling. However, the level of master skill that you posses and the super quality of your work, in my humble opinion, can not be matched by present or past coach builders. Very well done 👍
Labor intensive work. You are to be commended! 👍🏼
I am always amazed at the amount of work that goes into one of your projects and we only see a portion of it. It would be kind of neat to have you write the times for each part of the build and show it in a later video. Thanks for the videos that you do take the time to produce. Just the time involved there would probable surprise us all.
A true professional.
I like how he finds the edge of the hot steel ring with his finger tips as it approaches the spoke mortise.
you are a master at what you do
Regardless of the noise of hammering...I just find it so relaxing to watch your videos...now I have a wood lathe, I am getting tempted to start a project of making some miniature wagon wheels to see if I can get to grips with these skills...👍🏻
Incredible work and great production values. It’s like watching a pbs documentary. Fantastic. Seems like a hard living but glad to see someone carries on. Btw you sound like warren miller, he used to narrate his own skiing videos in the 80’s. Great stuff.
Ring rolling is ring rolling. Even when the rings would fit the Jolly Green Giant. Thank you for sharing.
Good to see you got past the boring videos and are now into the heavy metal bands portion of the build.
At first I was surprised that the front hubs are as big as the rears but the water wagon is as heavy on the front as the back I guess.
Keep lifting heavy things like that and you'll live forever!
Thank you, Mr. Engel. I could watch you work all day!
You my friend are a true Renaissance Man! I am very impressed with your talent and work ethic!!! Thanks for your videos.
my back hurts just watching. well done
Your videos are undoubtedly the best on TH-cam. Always interesting and informative. I always look forward to your next post. Thank-you so much.
Dave: Well done. I am not sure if these bands 'must' be done in the old-fashioned manner but you could save days of work by simply ordering in nominal pipe sizes and cutting it off. 10" pipe for instance has an ID of 10" Schedule 40 (Standard) and a wall thickness of 0.365". 12" ID has a wall thickness of 0.375". It seems that would save you days if you turned your hubs to meet these dimensions. They could of course be cut and the Circumference shortened to suit smaller Dimensions. Pipe 6" and over comes in even numbered sizes.
You are very skilled at that hydraulic press and antique roller, but the time involved is enormous. Yes, you would have to dress the cut edges but that does not take a lot of time with proper equipment.
I also appreciate no music and not giving the anvil an extra tap each time you strike your target.
Always a pleasure to watch your work!
That ring roller beats anything you can get at harbor freight. You're working to preserve a lost art. Few people are left that can do that type of work.
I've watched you do this a hundred times, and I could watch you do it a hundred more. you do have a way of making it look like a symphony . BTW you should video tape your morning exercise routine.
Thanks Dave. Love watching you at the forge.
I don't think that you have anyone else juggling the camera(s) but it sure does seem like you have a house full of elves moving the camera and a half dozen directors lining up your next shot all while you are making the work happen right in front of the camera. Nice Work Sir.
When I was working in the engineering shop of our family textile mill in Scotland over 50 years ago, we had a similar problem with the pipe threading machine, that I see you have with the hand rolling mill. As you crank the rolls, the machine tends to walk around the floor. We solved it by letting 4 steel sockets into the floor, into which the bottom inch of the legs of the threading machine would fit, to locate it positively. When not in use, we made four wooden plugs to fit in the sockets.
Good idea...
The other way would be to mount the machine on a flat plate and stand on it when cranking, this way the machine can be used anywhere.
I like the way he starts banging the ring on in the old fashioned blacksmith way, with a hammer, then, probably thinking, "the heck with this", whacks them on with the good old 80 ton press.
Fantastic job you must really enjoy your work. I spent 39 years in sheet metal fabrication I always enjoyed it some days were more difficult than others but you always make it look easy
Sorry, just caught your hammer work, Bravo! Forgive us if we miss it.
That’s a cool way to get the flat black look. I’ve never heard of doing that. Learn something new every day.
On this channel, you learn something every video, i feel like. :)
I agree
Apparently you can get better "black look" using vegetable oil - it'll look more like gun black. Not really shiny as the oxide on guns, perhaps just a smidge shinier than when using mineral oil.
You can also use "used oil", like the one used for frying french fries in McDonald, or chips in some fish'n'chips shop - depending where you live ;-)
Heat the steel to approx. 250 - 300°C/ 500 - 600°F (above oil's smoking point), and then "paint" the steel with a rag soaked in oil, or with some brush. Dipping hot iron in oil might cool it too quickly, so the result might not be as good.
I've used Bees wax to put the finish on fabricated parts. Petroleum oil just stinks so bad, but it does put its own color to steel. Then the slight char under the band's prevents rot.. A natural preservative.
Used motor oil is cheap and it works.
Fantastic,im truely impressed,hope your craftmanship never dies out
Good afternoon from SE Louisiana 4 Mar 21.
Great to watch learning a lot inspiring me to have a go
I deliver in your neck of the woods one of these days i gotta swing by your shop and interupt your workday but you do awesome work. Keep up repairing recreating history some don't care but lots of us still wanna see it. Thanks for the great content
Amazing it is how much skill and physical effort is required to do these. Salute! and thanks for posting.
I used to be able to put in a pretty good days work. But on my best day I wouldn't last two hours working at Engels. Thanks for sharing Dave. You are amazing.
You are an artist!! Some what unique mix of metal and wood. Great video. Your music makes your video pleasant to watch and listen. Thanks.