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Why can’t I ever seem to articulate nearly as well as you all do about the countless ways Mormons can’t be Christian. My wonderful sister is Mormon and truly believes she is a Christian! Can’t thank you enough for all the time, commitment, and love you put into your ministry of truth!!✝️❤️
zen 101 Well, there's a lot of crazy out there, just know that you CAN trust the Bible. Do some research there, on the manuscript tradition of the New Testament, learn about the Dead Sea Scrolls, which contained the entire book of Isaiah, and was centuries older than any writing we'd had before then, yet was 99%+ identical to later writings, etc, all of these things means that what Mormonism told you about how the Bible had been misinterpreted, how parts were missing, etc, is just wrong. God said his word would be preserved, and it has been. None of the councils ever decided what books to include in the Bible, those councils were called to refute heresy. There is a list of the books of the Bible that dates from the first century that is nearly identical to what we use today, it cuts off at the last end or it probably would be. So stick to the Bible, not what men say, and pray if you are unsure, the Holy Spirit is faithful to illuminate the true meaning of the Scriptures. If you are careful to read things IN CONTEXT (because Mormonism is notorious for cherry picking verses, taking them out of context, changing the meaning), the scriptures are not mysterious or difficult to understand for the vast majority of people. That is why there is such AGREEMENT on the core, important, saving issues among the body of Christ. We differ on peripheral, non-salvation issues that usually arose from different traditions, cultures, regional practices, etc. Don't get caught up in those, stay centered in the Bible and you won't go wrong. Galations is a great book that has the real gospel, they were veering away, trying to include circumcision as a requirement of salvation, Paul set them straight. Even that one small work cannot be added, or else you are placed under the curse of the entire law, and Jesus died for nothing. That is the message of grace that is important for exMormons, Jesus did it ALL, there is nothing we can add. Welcome to the love and grace of the true Jesus, I wish you all the hope and peace that comes with the decision you have made, it was without doubt the right one. God bless.
Hallelujah!! I will be praying for you as the Holy Spirit does His work in you, washing away all the falsehood and replacing it with His truth. I was there as well about 20 years ago.
Me too, my eyes were opened after 35 yrs. devout LDS. I got on my knees and begged God to show me truth and He did. I now know the Lord. Finding a new church to be a part of is one of the most difficult tasks I've ever done. I sit alone in a new church, nobody speaks, Pastors don't acknowledge you're visiting or if rarely they do, they have no idea what to do with me. I don't live out west where transition assistance is available so God bless this ministry.
I am sorry to hear that. Do they have visitor's cards that you can fill out? Or a place in their website that you can contact them to let them you you are new? Please, don't get discouraged. You may have to visit a few until you find your home church. Look for one in which the pastor is very faithful to the Word. That should be the priority and the other things will fall in place. Blessings!
Dr. White and pastor Jeff, I will never forget arming myself with knowledge to act as an apologist for the faith and was able to bring my Grandma To Christ from the LDS church, Yeshua Is truly using you two thankyou ! God be Praised
oh for heaven's sake, you are believing these NONMEMBERS instead of doing the research and studying, pondering and praying. I'm a convert to the LDS church, having joined over 40 years ago.
I left Mormonism as well after 3 years. I was 14 when i joined on my own. The average Mormon doesn't even know what these guys are saying . Lucky for me I love reading and came across these books too. I left right after Journal of discourses... Praise God. We only come to understand these things because of God's good grace and nothing of our own purpose. Pray for the lost
There's a lot to say about this but for sake of the comment section, I'll make it short. First off, when you first talk to the missionaries, they don't paint the whole picture. They don't tell you jesus wasn't born by the spirit but by physical sex (according to Brigham young, this is on the very first volume of J&D). They also don't tell you that God the Father, God the son and God the HOly spirit are all separate gods. AND that God was once a man. And that God the Father has a bride, God the mother... so of course you can investigate and come to conclusion of this. Are you telling me I can't investigate Islam(Jesus Christ) and say that church is false or does that only apply to LDS Jesus ?
@Lopez ''they don't paint the whole picture.'' Do you seriously expect that you'd be taught the WHOLE PICTURE of Mormonism (Jesus Christ) with just some missionary discussions? By the way, this ''They don't tell you'' crap is a ploy that was started by the ANTI-MORMON CHRISTIAN BIGOTS to draw the attention away from the FACT that they know too much about Mormonism to be a non-Mormon. Somewhere in the latter ninety or the early 2000's the anti-Mormon christian pukes got to realizing that they themselves KNOW TOO MUCH about Mormonism to be a non-Mormon, so therefore as a way to keep people from coming to find out about this they started going around saying crap like ''The Mormons don't tell you this, the Mormons don't tell you that'' to DRAW THE ATTENTION AWAY from the FACT that they themselves know too much about Mormonism to be a non-Mormon!
Former mormon for 23 years here, no longer anymore, but just a thought, maybe change the lighting to something a little more brighter, the red is kind of a turn off. Just thinking if I were a mormon trying to leave the church
Didn't you used to defend the LDS church online? Or was that another Snyder? I used to defend the church online, too. Then I learned the rest of the story. Left Mormonism after 40 years.
Mormonsplaining - 1. The Mormons explaining what the Bible REALLY meant with a Mormon twist. 2. Mormons filling in words and meanings that were never in the Bible.
@@jonathangatto dont need to. The Holy Spirit agrees with the Bible that LDS is not the way of life and truth. It is 'another gospel' and another god. Pray and ask God to show you why it isn't true.
I had a christian friend make a remark that itll be "boring" to worship God all day for eternity Me: I'm glad to be a door keep for our Lord Jesus for all eternity! let alone worship!
Love what you do Jeff! Watching ur videos have gotten me back in the word daily. I admire ur knowledge of the Bible and hope to have half of the knowledge u display some day! Also hope to meet you and the team someday! Come out to South Eastern Washington state someday. Have a lot of Mormon that need to hear your loving truth!
Here's one thing that I never hear mentioned about Eternal Progression...not only will there be countless Gods, but in turn, there has to be countless Jesus's as well, all dying on crosses, all being the Son of (a God), all forgiving the sins of only HIS planet and having a second coming only on HIS planet. So not only have the LDS diminished God to one of many, but also Jesus to one of many. It's just Satanic.
"Not only God is diminished, but also Jesus." You do the same thing on a grander scale. God is the highest but you are more offended by them "diminishing" Jesus. If Mormons are big polytheists then mainstream Christians are small polytheists.
When I was a kid in the 80's I lived in a predominantly Mormon area in south -eastern Idaho. I remember the Mormons being offended to be called Christian at that time and now they are offended if you don't think they are Christian. Are you familiar with this? Is this a change that has happened recently or was I in a weird area and only the Mormons in that area were offended by being called "Christian."? This is a serious question and not trying to be antagonistic. I really am wondering. Thanks.
Numbers 23:19 "GOD IS NOT A MAN, that He should lie, Nor a son of man, that He should repent; Has He said, and will He not do it? Or has He spoken, and will He not make it good?
I spent 40 years in the Mormon church. It fucked me up so bad I don't even really know what I believe at this point. I am working through it, so I appreciate all your videos.
Just get to this point. All of these perversions of the Word and message starting with the Catholic Church all the way to this new "God just loves" movement is happening for a reason. They want the power God has. Since the beginning of time since Adam and Eve humans have grasped at that power and control. God has not changed. He did reveal Himself in the bible, and we have tried to hijack it. And anti God people have been trying to deny it. God is true. Christ is King and He knows us all. Just get that straight. You'll see the motives of everyone else. Get into the actual WORD. God bless brother. Keep the faith.
@@hudsmack How does Jesus Christ feel about your hostility and aggression towards another image bearer of God? You're not showing the fruit of the spirit rn brother. Matthew 22:37-40 "Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets." You're neither glorifying God in your speech nor loving your fellow man. You need to repent brother. Colossians 3:8-10 "But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth. Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds; And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:" You may have the "right" or freedom to do many things but the majority of them are unwise and sinful. I'll pray for you brother. God bless you
One of the drawing/desirable aspects of Mormonism is that it brings a sense of belonging and community. God 'seems' more personal when you think of him as being a man who reached exaltation. Heavenly mother is a warming notion also. It gives off the warm fuzzy feelings. However its the very fact that feeling is false that made me turn away from LDS.
They're more anti anti anti polytheistic than Christians and muslims are. Both monotheistic or polytheistic alike can agree that this is a satanic fraudulent anti anti anti God scam. Ultra ultra blasphemy and sin many gods that are always aka gods. And blasphemy agaisnt the hebraic god yahweh as well. The Real gods The Only gods True Ones Only Ones damn the satanic devil worshipping morons and their ULTRA ANTI GOD CULLLTTT FROM HELL.
You can't be sympathetic for Godless creatures like that single thing Upon A Thing upon thing about God in general not just the hebraic one that they try to claim to but they know nothing about any kind of idea of God in general quitting polytheistic and other monotheistic anyting theism wise at all. That's big of scamsss and sinnnnnssssss MORONISM/SATANISM is in and DAMNED.
@@truthgiverandfinder3246 my people have one supreme being and many somewhat smaller beings. Every federation, tribe, clan, and family has a god or several of their own.
@@brycepardoe658 well then it's not many gods than its not polytheistic its monotheistic. Do smaller beings aren't Gods then that means is only one God and that's the 'Supreme Being' aka God. Those smaller Beings or Divineish Forces are like daemones(absolute contrast to demons and outside devils and above devils and above angels but beneath God(s) in General) they are almost or kinda Godlike Forces. That is what those "smaller" characters are i am guessing.
@@truthgiverandfinder3246 Very much. While Io (God) reigns supreme there are those beneath her that act as guardians of sorts. As a people (I'm Māori) we are protected and guided by Tūmatauenga and his Hine Keira. Each federation, tribe, clan, and family also has a divine couple providing guidance and protection to them. Many of these lesser god's and goddesses were once people. For example my federation is guarded and guided by the spirit of a man called Uenuku. His spirit resides within a sacred carving that bears his name.
May God open their eyes to the truth of the Gospel, by softening their hearts. May He grant them faith and repentance. Salvation is only found in the shed blood of Jesus, second person of the trinity, who gave his life on the cross at Calvary to cover our sins.
If you've watched Jeff's witnessing to mormons videos where he talks to them on the streets, they almost never quote/appeal to scripture. I've also noticed in my personal "comment section" conversations with them. I will point out how their "Jesus" isn't the Jesus of the bible, I'll provide different verses. They never respond with verse of their own. They either disregard what I said, or respond by telling me to read one of their books. But never with a bible verse.
The problem is the idea of God having a beginning oh, and a father before him is not doctrine. Recently, the only path Mormons have to take is one where there is very little Doctrine. they really like the privilege of putting something out there, having people believe it and follow it, and then later claiming it is not Doctrine. It allows for new revelation and for them to change their mind
1:01:04 “If Mormons have to worship God for all eternity, it would be hell for them because they would be forced to worship someone who they are trying to be...so they’d be stuck in a cycle of jealousy...” That’s Satan’s exact situation until Christ comes back.
Jonathan Gatto Typical Mormon testimony. The only thing true you said is Jesus is the Savior (but not the Jesus that is created). Jesus said Who He was/is and it’s easily read-able and comprehend-able unless of course you trust Joseph over Jesus (which is the Mormon case).
Numbers23:19KJV"God is not a man that he should lie;neither the son of man that he should repent..." Thus if your God is now or ever was a man he is not JEHOVAH.
Regarding the Journal of Discourses: They were once sanctioned and endorsed by the church. On the churches dreary website, it now states they are not official doctrine. That's the same thing as to say 100 years from now, The Ensign is not official doctrine...so quotes and teachings from the Ensign shouldn't be used to represent what the church teaches.
C D The LDS Church is genuinely a religious chameleon, ever changing it’s official doctrines and beliefs. Hopefully, it will eventually come around to the truth of God and Christ.
The one thing I wrestle with is predestination. Though I know God being the alpha and omega sees all things, we know that in scripture (Exodus 32:14) God's mind can be changed. If God's mind can be changed, then how can predestination exist? God is all powerful and not even time can contain his authority.
"Does God change His mind?" Answer: Malachi 3:6 declares, “I the LORD do not change. So you, O descendants of Jacob, are not destroyed.” Similarly, James 1:17 tells us, “Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, who does not change like shifting shadows.” Numbers 23:19 is clear: “God is not a man, that He should lie, nor a son of man, that He should change His mind. Does He speak and then not act? Does He promise and not fulfill?” Based on these verses, no, God does not change. God is unchanging and unchangeable. He is also all-wise. So He cannot “change His mind” in the sense of realizing a mistake, backtracking, and trying a new tack. How then do we explain verses that seem to say that God does change His mind? Verses such as Genesis 6:6, “The LORD was grieved that He had made man on the earth, and His heart was filled with pain.” Also, Exodus 32:14 proclaims, “Then the LORD relented and did not bring on His people the disaster He had threatened.” These verses speak of the Lord “repenting” or “relenting” of something and seem to contradict the doctrine of God’s immutability. Another passage that is often used to show that God changes His mind is the story of Jonah. Through His prophet, God had told Nineveh He would destroy the city in forty days (Jonah 3:4). However, Nineveh repented of their sin (verses 5-9). In response to the Assyrians’ repentance, God relented: “He had compassion and did not bring upon them the destruction He had threatened” (verse 10). There are two important considerations involving the passages that say God changed His mind. First, we can say statements such as “the LORD was grieved that He had made man on the earth” (Genesis 6:6) are examples of anthropopathism (or anthropopatheia). Anthropopathism is a figure of speech in which the feelings or thought processes of finite humanity are ascribed to the infinite God. It’s a way to help us understand God’s work from a human perspective. In Genesis 6:6 specifically, we understand God’s sorrow over man’s sin. God obviously did not reverse His decision to create man. The fact that we are alive today is proof that God did not “change His mind” about the creation. Second, we must make a distinction between conditional declarations of God and unconditional determinations of God. In other words, when God said, “I will destroy Nineveh in forty days,” He was speaking conditionally upon the Assyrians’ response. We know this because the Assyrians repented and God did not, in fact, mete out the judgment. God did not change His mind; rather, His message to Nineveh was a warning meant to provoke repentance, and His warning was successful. An example of an unconditional declaration of God is the Lord’s promise to David, “Your house and your kingdom will endure forever before me; your throne will be established forever” (2 Samuel 7:16). There is no qualification expressed or implied in this declaration. No matter what David did or did not do, the word of the Lord would come to pass. God tells us of the cautionary nature of some of His declarations and the fact that He will act in accordance with our choices: “If at any time I announce that a nation or kingdom is to be uprooted, torn down and destroyed, and if that nation I warned repents of its evil, then I will relent and not inflict on it the disaster I had planned. And if at another time I announce that a nation or kingdom is to be built up and planted, and if it does evil in my sight and does not obey me, then I will reconsider the good I had intended to do for it. Now therefore say to the people of Judah and those living in Jerusalem, ‘This is what the Lord says: Look! I am preparing a disaster for you and devising a plan against you. So turn from your evil ways, each one of you, and reform your ways and your actions’” (Jeremiah 18:7- 11). Note the conditional word if: “If that nation I warned repents [like Assyria in Jonah 3] . . . then I will relent.” Conversely, God may tell a nation they will be blessed, but “if it does evil in my sight [like Israel in Micah 1] . . . then I will reconsider the good I had intended to do.” The bottom line is that God is entirely consistent. In His holiness, God was going to judge Nineveh. However, Nineveh repented and changed its ways. As a result, God, in His holiness, had mercy on Nineveh and spared them. This “change of mind” is entirely consistent with His character. His holiness did not waver one iota. The fact that God changes His treatment of us in response to our choices has nothing to do with His character. In fact, because God does not change, He must treat the righteous differently from the unrighteous. If someone repents, God consistently forgives; if someone refuses to repent, God consistently judges. He is unchanging in His nature, His plan, and His being. He cannot one day be pleased with the contrite and the next day be angry with the contrite. That would show Him to be mutable and untrustworthy. For God to tell Nineveh, “I’m going to judge you,” and then (after they repent) refuse to judge them may look like God changed His mind. In reality, God was simply staying true to His character. He loves mercy and forgives the penitent. “Has God forgotten to be merciful?” (Psalm 77:9). The answer is, no. At one time we were all enemies of God due to our sin (Romans 8:7). God warned us of the wages of sin (Romans 6:23) in order to cause us to repent. When we repented and trusted Christ for salvation, God “changed His mind” about us, and now we are no longer enemies but His beloved children (John 1:12). As it would be contrary to God’s character to not punish us had we continued in sin, so it would be contrary to His character to punish us after we repent. Does our change of heart mean that God changes? No, if anything, our salvation points to the fact that God does not change, because had He not saved us for the sake of Christ, He would have acted contrary to His character. www.gotquestions.org/God-change-mind.html
At 50:00, you think you know what 'scripture mastery' is in seminary, as if people were asked not to read the entire scripture chapter by chapter or read entire books... your prejudice is apparent. Not at all what seminary is like.
I’m a Mormon and I love your show it makes my testimony stronger each time I listen to you.....it also helps me with doubting members...God bless you...Your plan of salvation does not cover all God’s children.....Lots of people never knew John 3--5.....what happened to them....? I’m getting bored with all your bragging! Your books are not inspired just thoughts of men!
Ditto, I find it ironic so many have found a way to make a living off of bashing the LDS Church. After seeing the purpose behind these podcasts, my testimony is solidified in God the Eternal Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost.
You believe in a heavenly mother. You believe God was once a man, You believe you can become a god. You believe God has flesh and bones. I am atheist and this seems like it's something that someone pulled out of their ass
The last time someone told us we could be Gods, they ate the apple and sin was brought into the world. The only true God is The Father, The Son, The Holy Spirit. What is God? One. Who is God? Father, Son, Holy Spirit. You will not be your own God, that is a demonic lie. Just because God makes us Heirs and co heirs doesn’t mean we now have the power to create. God makes us co heirs because of our acceptance of Jesus sacrifice. It has nothing to do with what we do or did. But everything to do with what Jesus did.
Please why are they saying Joseph Smith wrote the Book of Mormon???? they lost me when they said "That's not what Joseph Smith said in the Book of Mormon" why is he saying when he wasn't even born when it was written??? Lol It's sad
Thank you for calling attention to my Christian faith. I am a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and I love being a member. I can't get enough of it. It's awesome and I recommend it highly. That three Mormons site is awesome. I love it. In fact, it is likely the most exciting and Biblical Christian faith I have found.
Looneytoones and Liisa - Thank you for coming to the rescue with your concern. But I am quite delighted to be a baptized, vibrant follower of Jesus Christ, a Bible believer, and a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. They are mutually synonymous. You can throw in the Book of Mormon as well which is an exciting Additional Witness to our Savior and Redeemer Jesus Christ.
Either you follow Christ, or you follow Paul, you can't do both. "Faith without works is dead". Mark 16 [16] He that believeth and is BAPTIZED (a work) shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
@@tyndale25 So you just post your testimony of your personal feelings and experience, you don't address any of the issues raised in the video, like how Mormons have different meanings for words than Christians do. You don't address how very fundamental and important the nature of God is as defined by the Bible and how Mormonism refutes that, and teaches the existence of infinite gods. Your experience doesn't mean anything to anyone but you. My faith is based in the Bible, it is the same regardless of how I "feel" about it. Truth is truth, whether you believe it or not, and if you say the Bible is true, then it must come first, and any teachings or "revelations" or doctrines that conflict with it must be discarded as false. Joseph disagrees with Jesus about many things, therefore Joseph is wrong, because Jesus never is.
You love GMM, too, Jeff?? This makes me so happy! I listen to you and Dr. White all the time. Thank you for your ministry and sharing the wisdom and knowledge you have gained.
is it possible that their is one original God who's desire is to make more Gods?and therefore we are both right in our view of who God is? serious answers appreciated.
@@gracejohnston3367 no because if he if there was an original God means there is a guy that means that when is the god anti anything else therefore in order to make others of his own kind but other gods is just simply split or just birth themselves out and shoot out not have creatures first I can become something or not they can't become.
I've used this explanation of the trinity that seems to make sense to a lot of people. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Here it is: The trinity can be thought of as a family. Lets call this family the Smiths. Let's say the smiths family is made up of 3 members. Father, mother and son. So there is ONE family, but 3 persons who make up the family. Each one is 100% a family member, yet there is only one family. So no one would call each member a separate family of its own. It's easy to see that the 3 persons make up one family. Similarly, there is only one God, yet 3 persons. The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.
Modern Vintage Lifestyles that does make sense, when I think about it a lot. People still may find it confusing as the Smith family is still composed of 3 separate people. Jesus is God in the flesh, the holy spirit is the spirit of God, and so on and so forth. I always use the analogy of a trident.
Lian Arnst remember that neither is the other. For example, Jesus is not the Father, nor is the Spirit the Son. Each family member is a separate person.
Modern Vintage Lifestyles but peiple think God and Man are completely different substances. Jesus is called son of man for a reason and God is a MAN OF HOLINESS
We were told by Mormons that we were all spirits in heaven before we came here and don't remember it so we can learn how to be like god to return to his side perfect
Mormons didn’t tell you that. Luke 1:36 John the Baptist who is still in Elizabeth belly jumps to acknowledge his savior who he knew from the premortal life. The great I am said Before Abraham I am. In Jeremiah, he said “Before you formed in the womb, I knew thee.” Happy to provide you more biblical references for sincere souls only
I was wondering how Mormons answer the bible saying not to preach ANOTHER gospel other than the one first preached to the saints and their bible 1800's years removed says The Book of Mormon: ANOTHER Testament of Jesus Christ. Just check out Galatians 1:6-9, 2 Cor 11:4. And this is not to mention that their prophet Moroni died a man and resurrected an angel. And Jesus even said that He had foretold us all things. Just sayin'. GOD Bless, PeaceB2All
The answer is simple. Christ has restored that Gospel which He preached in the New Testament. For example, is baptism (a work) a requirement for salvation. What did Christ teach? Mark 16:16
I enjoy watching y’all so much. And I totally agree with you on everything I’ve seen so far from Apologia. It’s very encouraging for me to see you strive for the truth. I would like to point out the next step, get rid of the “trinity” symbol. It’s an ancient Druid symbol that was merged into Christianity by Roman Catholicism along with other pagan practices. Not saying that I detest the trinity, just the image of the triquetra. Exodus 20:4 thou shalt not make unto the any graven image or any likeness of anything that is in heaven
@@Jonny4384 You must then be a believer of Gen 1:27 in the image of God (Elohim, the Hebrew term for plural of God) He created them; male and female He created them” What we see on earth is a reflection of heaven. The family is not a hard doctrine to comprehend. The family is ordained of God. 1 Corinthians 11:11 Nevertheless, neither is man independent of woman, nor woman independent of man, in the Lord. Therefore, he shall be joined to his wife; and they shall become one flesh. God set the example of the perfect family. Gender is eternal and has always existed.
Interesting observation made by fellow Christian, Cody Laumeister: "I remember this point in the debate and thinking 1) I never thought I'd root for a Mormon in a debate, just shows you the (dubious) power of Calvinism, and 2) as soon as Kwaku got James and Jeff busy defending Calvinism, rather than attacking Mormonism, Kwaku was now winning the debate, despite the absolute indefensibility of Mormon origins and doctrine. This is especially comical given how James and Jeff, before the debate, were musing how the debate would be such an unfair fight, given what badass Christian apologists they "obviously" were, that they (almost) felt guilty inviting poor little Kwaku into the lion's den, as it were. So how did Kwaku pull off this wildly successful judo move? Easy, just disparage Calvinist dogma casually but directly, and James and Jeff, even with all their considerable debating skill, cannot help but take the bait. Once they do, they're on the defensive and under Kwaku's control, no matter how wrong they think Kwaku is. It's like waving a red cape in front of a bull -- the bull can't help going after the cape, thinking here's an easy kill, which takes his eyes off the matador. From that point on the bull is doomed, despite his deadly horns and weight advantage, because the matador has a sword in his other hand, and it's the sword that will kill him; the cape is just an act of misdirection that the matador knows will consume the bull's fury and attention. The matador, having a human brain, can learn how a bull thinks, while the bull will always be just a bull, and can never know all that the matador is thinking. Maybe Kwaku just stumbled into this strategic move, but he's a quick study, and now he knows how a Calvinist will behave when provoked, while the Calvinists simply continue to respond like Calvinists, and learn nothing. Of course, Kwaku is just as vulnerable on Mormonism, more so in fact; but as long as they're talking Calvinism, Kwaku is the matador. And it's only a matter of time before he locates the bull's vulnerable spot and drives the sword home. When I imply that the bulls, James and Jeff, have learned nothing, I say that based on the fact that they put the debate video up after the fact for public consumption. Clearly they would never have done this if they realized what fools Kwaku made of them at this point in the debate. Presumably they thought they "schooled" little Kwaku on "purposeless evil" and "God's decree", etc. But anyone, including Kwaku, whose mind is not held captive to the TULIP systematic, is perfectly free to blame evil on the evildoers, and allow God, who is not the author of evil, to bring good out of man's evil when and how He chooses, and thus demonstrate the redemptive nature of His sovereignty. If God's sovereignty can ONLY work thru meticulous prearranged control of all things, what need is there of redemptive action on God's part? If it's all God's doing, why must God redeem anything He has already done? If the Holocaust is the result of God's decree, and God is good, then there is no injustice in the Holocaust in need of God's redemptive love and justice. OK, says the Calvinist, but the Nazis were acting "freely" out of compatibilistic freedom, so they're responsible, right? Maybe, but given their totally depraved "nature", which as creatures must have come from God, after all, they're also morally incapable of acting otherwise; whereas God alone acts from perfect freedom. So who's more responsible for the Holocaust? If you think this is all abstract theologizing, go over to the SGM Survivors site and read some of the horror stories from CJ Mahaney's Sovereign Grace churches once they went Calvinistic. One female survivor of continual childhood sexual abuse was "comforted" by one of Mahaney's disciples with the words, "Isn't it comforting to know that whatever happened to you was God's plan, and that it was better than you deserved?" That's street-level Calvinism, folks, stripped of nuance and philosophical equivocation. That "counselor," an older woman no less, imbibed Calvinism and simply applied it consistently to the matter at hand. I'm sure James White would protest that the counselor lacked a "full-orbed" understanding of God's decree; I think that means she's not smart enough to hold several incoherent assertions in mind at the same time; it takes a brilliant theologian, like James White, to do that."
@@cdowisEphesians 2:5-10, works will not bring righteousness (right standing with God). If you need righteousness to be with God, you cannot obtain it yourself.
Wait, I'm confused.. Who's Jehovah @ around 46:00?? Or who's Elohim??? I thought Mormons call 'God the Father' "Elohim" So who's Jehovah, who is going to organise the earth with Michael?? Really confused here.. Help me out lol
Kylene Martin Chris Rosebrough, channel and podcast is Fighting for the Faith, explains Elohim is a plural word for God (El). so in genesis the hebrew phrasing would actually be read "Gods, He created them male and female" showing the trinity
Faye Lewis It is very confusing! But in Isaiah 44:6, Dr White reads and calls God "Jehovah"? @ around 44:10 That's why I got confused when he said Elohim told Jehovah and Michael (ark Angel) to organise the earth??
God has been called by various names throughout the Bible, it is done so as to denote or call out to him on his different qualities especially where God demonstrated these qualities. He has been called, Elohim ( infinite all powerful), Yahweh (Jehovah- supreme), Emmanuel( God is with us), Jehovah Jireh(God that provides) and others..Google them
Please leave suggestions on Biblical teachers that I can read docture from. Stuff im able to take notes with. I ask this because lately i've been struggling to know what is and isn't true when it comes to certain doctrines and I don't really know who to trust when searching for answers. Anything is helpful..
Hey I saw no one replied to you on this. You can find many old heroes of the faith like the puritans who have written works to read. Also people like R. C. Sproul are good. Listening to most orthodox pastors is good too like John MacArthur, Alistair Begg, John Piper and others would be good.
If kwaku had done nothing to prepare for his appearance on apologia but watch THIS video (and actually had respect enough to TRY to understand the concepts raised) he would not have said the things he said. Clearly kwaku had and has zero respect for any doctrine beyond that which he created in his own mind or that which he is simply regurgitating. Either way, he is incapable of defending either because he truly understands nothing about either Mormonism or Christianity.
Yo! I blew up 3 Mormons channel with comments to get the word out that they needed to listen to this video. Hoping they actually take a look and don't mark me off as spam. I sent them some friendly comments. I really mean that. :-)
John Bot: I've been chatting with one of them via Facebook messenger. they are fully aware of this episode and have reviewed it. I don't think they intend on doing anything at all and just let it fall by their wayside.
I wonder if you should start quoting the early mormon apostles and prophets and see if he says a similar thing to you. Because if he does say that, I would press him on whether he would be obligated to believe in what those early mormon apostles and prophets taught if he lived in their time period. If God was truly speaking through those men *we know he wasn't), then God's word stands, and he needs to abide in it.
Actually that is a Celtic symbol. Which was picked up by Christian's in erstwhile English domain of Ireland, Scotland and Wales. And used for advertising. Christianity has no symbols we use the cross as a symbol to remind us of Christ's sacrifice but that's just it. It should not be symbolized because then one is idolizing it.
I appreciate you giving your opinion and you are welcome to keep it but I use to be baptist and now I'm an imvestigator getting baptized soon the the LDS church. I know you're "trying to help" but if we're happy then why bother making this stuff ? At church we don't talk about other religions and you don't have to Believe in the church , but we do and making these videos from your perspective is wrong. Just because you don't go to the church and don't know everything we learn . But thanks for sharing your opinion , we will live our lives :) check out LDS.org :)
Have you read the Doctrine and Covenants and Pearl of Great Price? The Book of Mormon doesn't have any of the Mormon Doctrines that say what you must do to reach exaltation: temple endowments, baptism for the dead, temple marriage, wearing of garments, secret signs and handshakes in the temple, etc. Have you read all of the Gospel Topic Essays at www.lds.org/topics/essays?lang=eng ? Be sure and read the footnotes too, so you find out about Joseph Smith, his multiple versions of the First Vision that kept getting more elaborate (instead of more forgetful), the history of the church, etc. Be sure to do your research before you get baptized.
alex w - I am excited for you and for every person who makes the decision to come unto Christ and to be baptized by one holding authority. your baptism will be a great day. I still remember my own baptism though it occurred several decades ago. I have loved every minute being a member of this church, and being a disciple of the Lord Jesus Christ. What a great day in which to live.
alex w because the Bible gives the disiple of Christ the commission to preach the gospel of Christ to the Lost and destined for hellfire so that they may come to a saving knowledge of Christ. And incidentally if you are an investigator of the Mormon church you are not happy despite what you are telling yourself, especially when you get teary eyed while "bearing your testimony"!! Having witnessed the spectacle multiple times they are not tears of joy, but rather sadness, fear, anxiety and convictions of blasphemous nature of the message being fed you. Come to the truth of Christ via the biblical message
@Scot .harvath Thanks for sharing your personal opinions. >>If Jesus is God, He alone will judge everyone,If Jesus is God, He alone will judge everyone Christ disagrees with you. Matt.19 [28] And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. >>God was Created OK, we agree that God was not created, but the Bible does tell us Heb 5 [8] Though he were a Son, yet *learned he obedience* by the things which he suffered; [9] *And being made perfect* he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him The Bible says it, we believe it
These Mormons would not know what to do if they were given God hood for one day.Also satan is the one who taught man how to be as gods.We failed.We can't do it.
What if , Jeff and James ( according to your gospel ) these Mormons have not been chosen but frozen are you not wasting your time ?? I know you would say that only God knows who has been chosen or frozen so therefore your time is not wasted .
No, "gods" are not born, since there are not multiple "gods". There is only one God. And while Jesus was born, it was not His divine nature (His godhood) that was "born". Please read John 1:1-14, the "word" (who was God) already existed prior to being born in his humanity.
I just watched the 3-hr Cultish episode with the ex-Mormon couple and THEY made a "leather-bound books" Anchorman reference too! Lol too funny, must be deeply ingrained in the Apologia culture.
Hi brothers and sisters in Christ. .. I have a question. .so do Mormons believe that each planet will have a redeemer that is going to one day give his life for the sins of the people of that planet.? Maybe I'm understanding their view wrong. .
There is no official position. But John 5: 19 The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he [doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
When they used Romans 8 I was brought back to the time I was speaking to a ward leader, someone just below the bishop. He, like they, used such passage in the same manner. They all failed in exegeting the text. They failed to recognized what was written before it in order to understand what Paul was saying in that specific verse & chapter. They also failed to deal with the information previous said by Paul (chapters 1-7). The elder was wrong then and these 3 Mormons are still wrong when they made such video and even still wrong if they continue to hold to such theology.
I grew up Lutheran and still currently have a parent who is clergy. I was there all while they attended seminary and learned all they did beside them. I love God and the Holy Bible with all my heart. I grew up knowing all the wrongs of the Mormon church. I would like to give special thanks to Apologia Studios, but not for the reasons you may think. Many years ago, I was chastised by God in my active preaching against the Church and was corrected and shown that Christ is true and living as we read in the Book of Mormon. A simple man with as much gospel knowledge as I have been given now sees that plain as day. Your videos here only further strengthen my faith as any and every reference you give in attempt to debunk the one true church I double and triple check, put into context, reread in my Greek and Hebrew texts, and find do not stand against us. Of fact, you often prove your own lack of understanding with scripture. I pray for you and all your listeners that you will continue to strengthen members of the faith that Christ is Lord and we are all saved by His grace. I do ask one thing though, toward the end of this, you mentioned the 101st Memorization Program? I can’t seem to find this anywhere. Hopefully someone will be gracious enough to point me in the direction of this so that I may be edified. Thank you again. I admire the beauty of your devotion to God. I wish more in His church had the same vigor these days. Amen.
Genuine question, not a gotcha. I want to understand how Mormons make sense of this passage John 17:3 “and this is eternal life, that they may know you [Father] the only true God..” How do you understand this verse to be consistent with Mormon theology?
@@hjc1402last time I spoke to missionaries and read a Mormon dictionary, “eternal life” meant the highest heaven where they believe God the Father is. Christians mean it as with God, one heaven, one eternity, one being, those without eternal life are in eternal hell/separation.
@@TheCowabungaBros I guess I mean the phrase only true God who is the Father. If the Father is the only true God, there are no other true gods, perhaps false gods but not true gods. But they would say there’s three gods of this world and a billion others of their own worlds.
@@hjc1402 I appreciate your question. I see absolutely no problem with anything laid out in John 17, even verse 3. In fact, I would be interested to hear your thoughts on the whole chapter in which Christ Jesus is conversing with the Almighty God as though they are separate beings instead of just separate persons (discussing specifically how they were together before the creation and are now are no longer). But specifically to the question focused more on “only true God,” I say to you Amen! God The Father, is the one true God of our universe, Earth, and everything we know and experience, both seen and unseen. We acknowledge Christ Jesus and the Holy Ghost for their unity to God as being part of the Godhead. We in no way pray to them or worship them as divine creators. That is only God The Father. We will praise Christ for being the perfect lamb and sacrifice sent from Father for our salvation, but that does not mean we worship Jesus of Nazareth. He is perfect and exalted before all men and is Lord of the Earth, the Only Begotten of the Father. We who believe in the God of the scriptures, a god who knows none before nor after, can read this plainly without needing to add in and extra biblical theology which developed after Christ’s mortal ministry on the Earth as we can read about in any epistle from Paul. If you have more questions about why this is a non-issue for those who follow Christ in His established church on Earth, I recommend reading into the theologian Blake T. Ostler. He has some wonderful insights and books you can learn about through a quick google search. Don’t let your leaders hide truth from you. We are very open and happy to share the Good News with you and all people. I realize that I alone do not have all the answers you may seek. No one man can have all the answers and truth, for that is reserved to God. But I am always happy to bear witness what God has to mercifully given to me. One last thing, though: I am still curious to find this “101st Memorization Program.” If you know where I can find this, please forward it to me! Thanks ahead of time. I pray that all the world will come to the Father through His Son, Christ Jesus. This is God’s desire as we see in scripture: “3 This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus,” 1 Tim 2, NIV. It is my most sincere desire that you may come to know the real Jesus and His Father above, who is your God and my God. Amen.
Dr White, I seem to remember reading in your book "letters to a Mormon Elder" that a bishop reassigned the Elder you wrote to. I don't remember if that was a real letter or if it was for the purpose of ending the book but did you ever hear from either of the elders who came to you again?
His book was a fictionalized account based on HUNDREDS and HUNDREDS of hours of discussions with Mormons and Mormon missionaries at Temple Square and elsewhere. I believe the reason for the change in elder at the end of the book is based on real life situations when the current elder gets to emotionally attached to the proselyte, and/or the elder is starting to be in danger of losing their testimony in light of what they are learning from the Christian. Typically, Mormons don't let such discussions get that involved or to go that long, if they get any kind of resistance, or feel that the person is attempting to "teach" them, they simply bear their testimony and skedaddle.
I used to be atheist and my argument against God was that the universe seemed so cruel and unjust. But how had I got this idea of just and unjust? A man does not call a line crooked unless he has some idea of a straight line. What was I comparing the universe with when I called it unjust?
You can watch Matthew Dillahunty's debate with Jordan Peterson. But It doesn't matter where it comes from. The fact that you can recognise that slavery and sex slavery is wrong but the bible endorses it is proof that you are above the God in that book
I get confused.. should I be praying to God or Jesus? And can someone explain to me what it means that Jesus is God in the flesh? It doesn't mean that Jesus IS God right?
Chrissy J “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made. He was in the world, and the world was made through him, yet the world did not know him. And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.” John 1:1-3, 10, 14 ESV So the way to think of it is this. The doctrine of the Trinity is built on three foundations: 1. Monotheism-there is only ONE God, Yahweh 2. There are three divine persons- the scriptures demonstrate that the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are distinct from each other. 3. Co-eternal/Co-equal- the scriptures demonstrate that each person shares 100% in the being of the eternal Yahweh. We are talking about three who's and one what. So through the incarnation the Trinity was revealed. Yahweh, the God of Israel, took on flesh (a tent) and became the living, breathing Tabernacle (the Tabernacle of Moses is the foreshadowing of the incarnation). In the beginning Jesus existed, Jesus was with God AND Jesus is God (the Trinity). Jesus was in the beginning with God. The Word became flesh (Tabernacle).
Jesus was 100% God and 100% man. It is okay to pray to Jesus and God because Jesus is God in flesh. Biblically speaking, God is a Trinity consisting of three persons: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. It's like saying that time is one thing that consists of three aspects or parts: the past, the present, and the future. So we would say that time is one thing with three "parts." God is a Trinity. The Trinity is three parts, and one of those parts became flesh. John 1:1, says "in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." In John 1:14 it says that "the Word became flesh and dwelt among us…" This means that Jesus has two natures, God and man. Therefore, we can pray to God the Father, we can pray to the Holy Spirit, and we can pray to the person of Jesus because they are all in one God. Jesus is prayed to in the Bible. We see in 1 Corinthians 1:2 it says, "to the church of God which is at Corinth, to those who have been sanctified in Christ Jesus, saints by calling, with all who in every place call upon the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, their Lord and ours." I underlined the phrase that is relevant here. The New Testament was written in Greek, and in Greek what it says is... epikaloumenois to onoma tou kuriou hamon iasous kristou calling upon the name of the lord of us Jesus Christ Around 250 BC the Jews translated the Old Testament into Greek. The Old Testament phrases such as "call upon the name of YHWH" were translated into "call upon the name of the Lord." YHWH consists of four consonants that are used in the Hebrew Old Testament to designate the name of God. When the Old Testament talked about "calling upon the name of YHWH" it meant among other things, to pray to God (Psalm 116:4). Paul the apostle used the Greek equivalent of the Old Testament phrase in relationship to Jesus. Therefore, it is biblical to pray to Jesus. Finally, all false religions refuse to pray to Jesus, because to them Jesus is not God in flesh. But, we also see that Jesus said in John 14:14, "Ask me anything in my name and I will do it." So, Jesus is telling us it's okay to pray to him. carm.org/do-we-pray-to-jesus-or-god
When we are praying, do we pray directly to God or through Jesus? by Jacob Allee The answer to the given question is “Yes” and “Yes” but allow me to elaborate on that a bit. When Jesus taught his disciples how they ought to pray in Matthew 6:9-13 he instructed them to pray to “Our Father in heaven.” 9Pray then like this: “Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name. 10 Your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. 11Give us this day our daily bread, 12and forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors. 13And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil. So it was Jesus Himself, God in flesh (John 1:1-14), who told us that we should raise our prayers directly to God, namely, God the Father. The Bible teaches that God has existed eternally as one being in three persons, Father, Son and Holy Spirit. This doctrine is known as the Trinity. This is why Jesus can both be God and still pray to God (e.g. John 17) because while they share the same being they are different in person. Each person of the Trinity plays different roles in how they interact in the lives of believers and unbelievers alike. When it comes to our given topic of prayer, the Bible teaches that it is God the Father whom we ought to direct our prayers to, but it also teaches that it is through Jesus that we have that kind of direct access to the Father. Consider the verse in Mark 15:38; “And the curtain of the temple was torn in two, from top to bottom.” This “curtain” is the one that separated people from the Holy of Holies (aka “The Most Holy Place”) in the temple, the place where God’s presence dwelled in a special sense. The Holy of Holies was the place where once a year a priest would enter after having carefully observed all of the purification rituals that were required before entering into God’s presence and make a sacrifice for the unintentional sins of the people of Israel (intentional or known sins were to be dealt with on a regular basis). The curtain was torn in two by God at the time of Jesus’ death on the cross. Hebrews 9:1-14 tells us how through Christ’s death we no longer are separated from God by the curtain. 1Now even the first covenant had regulations for worship and an earthly place of holiness. 2 For a tent was prepared, the first section, in which were the lampstand and the table and the bread of the Presence. It is called the Holy Place. 3 Behind the second curtain was a second section called the Most Holy Place, 4 having the golden altar of incense and the ark of the covenant covered on all sides with gold, in which was a golden urn holding the manna, and Aaron’s staff that budded, and the tablets of the covenant. 5 Above it were the cherubim of glory overshadowing the mercy seat. Of these things we cannot now speak in detail. 6 These preparations having thus been made, the priests go regularly into the first section, performing their ritual duties, 7 but into the second only the high priest goes, and he but once a year, and not without taking blood, which he offers for himself and for the unintentional sins of the people. 8 By this the Holy Spirit indicates that the way into the holy places is not yet opened as long as the first section is still standing 9 (which is symbolic for the present age). According to this arrangement, gifts and sacrifices are offered that cannot perfect the conscience of the worshiper, 10 but deal only with food and drink and various washings, regulations for the body imposed until the time of reformation. 11 But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things that have come, then through the greater and more perfect tent (not made with hands, that is, not of this creation) 12 he entered once for all into the holy places, not by means of the blood of goats and calves but by means of his own blood, thus securing an eternal redemption. 13 For if the blood of goats and bulls, and the sprinkling of defiled persons with the ashes of a heifer, sanctify for the purification of the flesh, 14 how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, purify our conscience from dead works to serve the living God. This passage explains that in the Old Covenant, under the law, the priest had to continually offer sacrifices again and again for the people of Israel because the sacrifices were imperfect, they never actually fully appeased God’s wrath for sin, hence the need to repeat the sacrifice. Jesus, however, was the perfect lamb of God (John 1:29; 36), the sinless one, He was the perfect sacrifice that God was pleased with. When Christ died on the cross and the curtain was torn that separated the people from the Most Holy Place in the temple this indicated that man no longer needed to approach God through priests and through repetitive sacrifices. It is in Christ that we have a perfect sacrifice, and it was paid once and in full! Just as it says in Hebrews 10:12-14: “12 But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, 13 waiting from that time until his enemies should be made a footstool for his feet. 14 For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified.” Jesus became our high priest before God, always making intercession for us. It is because of this Jesus’ sacrifice that the New Covenant was ushered in (Luke 22:20) and we now no longer depend on earthly priests to come before God for us, but through Christ, we may directly and boldly approach God’s throne with our prayers. Again in Hebrews 7:23-27 it says: 23 The former priests were many in number, because they were prevented by death from continuing in office, 24 but he holds his priesthood permanently, because he continues forever. 25 Consequently, he is able to save to the uttermost those who draw near to God through him, since he always lives to make intercession for them. 26 For it was indeed fitting that we should have such a high priest, holy, innocent, unstained, separated from sinners, and exalted above the heavens. 27 He has no need, like those high priests, to offer sacrifices daily, first for his own sins and then for those of the people, since he did this once for all when he offered up himself. So as to the original question, “When we are praying do we pray directly to God or through Jesus?” Again, the answer is yes, we pray directly to God the Father because that is what Jesus taught us to do, and yes we pray through Jesus because He is our high priest who has given us direct access to God the Father by His sacrifice and He is now interceding on our behalf before the Father. So when it comes to praying, Hebrews 4:14-15 says it best: 14 Since then we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus, the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession. 15 For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet without sin. 16 Let us then with confidence draw near to the throne of grace, that we may receive mercy and find grace to help in time of need. As Christians, we pray to God our Father because He is the provider of all good things (James 1:17; Matthew 7:7-11), and we pray in Jesus’ name because He is the one who makes it possible to approach God because His blood has covered our sins. carm.org/pray-directly-to-god-or-jesus
I’d like to know the reference you mentioned about how Heavenly Father begat Jesus in a sexual act with Mary, please. What publication was that in? I’d love to have it handy. Thanks! ♥️
3 Mormons sounds like “3 Nephites”. Referring to the Mormon Lore that there are 3 Nephites who are immortal and walk the earth. They’ve since changed the shows name, but that’s what I thought of.
At 1:11:00, are you saying that there were no gods only idols that tempted the children of Israel in the OT? What a bizarre way to rebuttal that argument! There were many examples of gods, Egyptian and otherwise. Clearly God was redirecting Israelites who were exposed to other gods. It's a good thing you chose to record twenty year olds who don't have as much experience.
Yes, the ones on the above video are indeed idiots. James White for example has an anti-Book of Abraham vid. In the year 2014 the You Tube video th-cam.com/video/3bm6Npd1Hjw/w-d-xo.html (Book of Abraham debunks anti-LDS lies) DEBUNKED ALL OF THAT ANTI-BOOK OF ABRAHAM INFO (books, websites, You Tube videos) though.
Involved? You're there due to choosing to be there. My life has been so positively impacted by going back to church, went back to church after many years of inactivity on 06/15/97. I don't know why I would ever leave Mormonism.
I call them idiots as James White has an anti-Book of Abraham You Tube video, the You Tube video th-cam.com/video/3bm6Npd1Hjw/w-d-xo.html (Book of Abraham debunks anti-LDS lies) DEBUNKED ALL OF THAT ANTI-BOOK OF ABRAHAM INFO back in the year 2014, not even one anti-Mormon when coming to find out about this will admit to it though. The ones that have the videos just keep right on rollin those outdated anti-Book of Abraham videos, they're idiots.
@@Freethinkingtheist77 I'm not sure where you think the respect piece comes in. Especially in the other videos. I agree that they aren't idiots, but I will say that their arguments are often illogical and exaggerations of or blatant misrepresentations of scripture.
This always gets them, Mormons aspire to become gods of their own planet, the angel Moroni was the last of the living noble Mormons defeated by the evil tribes in trusted with the golden plates.... so if he was so noble how come he only became an angel... which even you admit angels are created beings. They can never answer this.
What of John 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? Psalm 82:6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
Kerry Morales , james white is very thorough on most all other religions. He is a greek and hebrew scholar. Knows his stuff. (But i dont agree on a few things ive heard him say- but thats on different subjects 😄)
@@elizabethking5523 Dr. White has also learned Arabic, and read the Qur'an and listened to ALL of the Hadith (in at least two versions, Sahih al Bukhari and Sahih Muslim)
@@jonathangatto As a Mormon, you worship a god that was once a man and came from another planet. That is idolatry. You also deny Jesus Christ and say he is the brother of Lucifer. That is blasphemy. You need to repent of your idolatry and blasphemy.
Does each exalted man into "so called" godhood, have to continue to worship the god that was before him??? If so, what a drag.... It is infinite.. work work work... Thank you Jesus!!! You did it all!!!! You saved a wretched woman like me!!!! Please LDS members, The BIBLE only . God commands all to Repent! and believe the Gospel ( IN the BIBILE) His word ... Do not follow in blind faith ... That is not Biblical faith.
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Some left CHRISTIANITY, THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER DAY SAINTS, due to rebellious & lack of knowledge.
Just got goosebumps reading Isiah 40 verse 8 "The grass withereth, and the flowers fadeth: but the word of our God stands forever".
it doesn't say the lord will stop giving truth or gospel. you see Mormons have a lot of em.
Why can’t I ever seem to articulate nearly as well as you all do about the countless ways Mormons can’t be Christian. My wonderful sister is Mormon and truly believes she is a Christian! Can’t thank you enough for all the time, commitment, and love you put into your ministry of truth!!✝️❤️
My pastor loves this verse so much he reads it every church service
@@joeyfeliciano9199 check out 2 Timothy 3:16-17
I have left Mormonism after 47 years, and I am in the process of developing a regenerative relationship with God and Jesus Christ.
zen 101 Well, there's a lot of crazy out there, just know that you CAN trust the Bible. Do some research there, on the manuscript tradition of the New Testament, learn about the Dead Sea Scrolls, which contained the entire book of Isaiah, and was centuries older than any writing we'd had before then, yet was 99%+ identical to later writings, etc, all of these things means that what Mormonism told you about how the Bible had been misinterpreted, how parts were missing, etc, is just wrong. God said his word would be preserved, and it has been. None of the councils ever decided what books to include in the Bible, those councils were called to refute heresy. There is a list of the books of the Bible that dates from the first century that is nearly identical to what we use today, it cuts off at the last end or it probably would be. So stick to the Bible, not what men say, and pray if you are unsure, the Holy Spirit is faithful to illuminate the true meaning of the Scriptures. If you are careful to read things IN CONTEXT (because Mormonism is notorious for cherry picking verses, taking them out of context, changing the meaning), the scriptures are not mysterious or difficult to understand for the vast majority of people. That is why there is such AGREEMENT on the core, important, saving issues among the body of Christ. We differ on peripheral, non-salvation issues that usually arose from different traditions, cultures, regional practices, etc. Don't get caught up in those, stay centered in the Bible and you won't go wrong. Galations is a great book that has the real gospel, they were veering away, trying to include circumcision as a requirement of salvation, Paul set them straight. Even that one small work cannot be added, or else you are placed under the curse of the entire law, and Jesus died for nothing. That is the message of grace that is important for exMormons, Jesus did it ALL, there is nothing we can add. Welcome to the love and grace of the true Jesus, I wish you all the hope and peace that comes with the decision you have made, it was without doubt the right one. God bless.
Hallelujah!! I will be praying for you as the Holy Spirit does His work in you, washing away all the falsehood and replacing it with His truth. I was there as well about 20 years ago.
zen 101 I Pray that God keeps you in the faith and His truth.😊
Me too, my eyes were opened after 35 yrs. devout LDS. I got on my knees and begged God to show me truth and He did.
I now know the Lord.
Finding a new church to be a part of is one of the most difficult tasks I've ever done.
I sit alone in a new church, nobody speaks, Pastors don't acknowledge you're visiting or if rarely they do, they have no idea what to do with me.
I don't live out west where transition assistance is available so God bless this ministry.
I am sorry to hear that. Do they have visitor's cards that you can fill out? Or a place in their website that you can contact them to let them you you are new? Please, don't get discouraged. You may have to visit a few until you find your home church. Look for one in which the pastor is very faithful to the Word. That should be the priority and the other things will fall in place. Blessings!
Dr. White and pastor Jeff, I will never forget arming myself with knowledge to act as an apologist for the faith and was able to bring my Grandma To Christ from the LDS church, Yeshua Is truly using you two thankyou ! God be Praised
They are saved and love God period.
oh for heaven's sake, you are believing these NONMEMBERS instead of doing the research and studying, pondering and praying. I'm a convert to the LDS church, having joined over 40 years ago.
I left Mormonism as well after 3 years. I was 14 when i joined on my own. The average Mormon doesn't even know what these guys are saying . Lucky for me I love reading and came across these books too. I left right after Journal of discourses... Praise God. We only come to understand these things because of God's good grace and nothing of our own purpose. Pray for the lost
You cannot possibly investigate Mormonism (Jesus Christ) thoroughly, then turn around and then say that the church isn't true.
he just did.
There's a lot to say about this but for sake of the comment section, I'll make it short. First off, when you first talk to the missionaries, they don't paint the whole picture. They don't tell you jesus wasn't born by the spirit but by physical sex (according to Brigham young, this is on the very first volume of J&D). They also don't tell you that God the Father, God the son and God the HOly spirit are all separate gods. AND that God was once a man. And that God the Father has a bride, God the mother... so of course you can investigate and come to conclusion of this. Are you telling me I can't investigate Islam(Jesus Christ) and say that church is false or does that only apply to LDS Jesus ?
@hughes He just did?
@Lopez ''they don't paint the whole picture.'' Do you seriously expect that you'd be taught the WHOLE PICTURE of Mormonism (Jesus Christ) with just some missionary discussions? By the way, this ''They don't tell you'' crap is a ploy that was started by the ANTI-MORMON CHRISTIAN BIGOTS to draw the attention away from the FACT that they know too much about Mormonism to be a non-Mormon. Somewhere in the latter ninety or the early 2000's the anti-Mormon christian pukes got to realizing that they themselves KNOW TOO MUCH about Mormonism to be a non-Mormon, so therefore as a way to keep people from coming to find out about this they started going around saying crap like ''The Mormons don't tell you this, the Mormons don't tell you that'' to DRAW THE ATTENTION AWAY from the FACT that they themselves know too much about Mormonism to be a non-Mormon!
I wish James would guest on their channel and teach these kids their own doctrine.
cinderella princess kids?
health mentally, more like infantile, theologically/biblically, definitely prenatal fetuses!!!
Peter asking a Pharasee to teach Christian doctrines to disciples of Christ?
Your username is for kids 🤣
They would never bring him on. they wouldnt even want other mormons to know he exists.
"I almost got to debate Brigham Young, that's how long I've been doing this."
*Hilarious!*
Former mormon for 23 years here, no longer anymore, but just a thought, maybe change the lighting to something a little more brighter, the red is kind of a turn off. Just thinking if I were a mormon trying to leave the church
Justin Snyder I agree. It.doesnt look well lit or inviting.
Didn't you used to defend the LDS church online? Or was that another Snyder? I used to defend the church online, too. Then I learned the rest of the story. Left Mormonism after 40 years.
Modern Vintage Lifestyles I am sure that the important issue is the dialogue, not the interior decor
no
yes that was me haha surprised you still remember! Once i found out i simply couldn't believe any longer
Mormonsplaining - 1. The Mormons explaining what the Bible REALLY meant with a Mormon twist. 2. Mormons filling in words and meanings that were never in the Bible.
lol
@@TheStemo1 The LDS church is True!
@@jonathangatto not proven, not true
@@TheStemo1 It is proven. Pray about it with an open heart and a contrite spirit.
@@jonathangatto dont need to. The Holy Spirit agrees with the Bible that LDS is not the way of life and truth. It is 'another gospel' and another god. Pray and ask God to show you why it isn't true.
I had a christian friend make a remark that itll be "boring" to worship God all day for eternity
Me: I'm glad to be a door keep for our Lord Jesus for all eternity! let alone worship!
We will not be boring that's for sure.If God could fill.our minds with those things he has in store for us.We could not contain it
I wish I could have a month to just talk to Jeff and learn from him. He inspires me so much through these videos. Keep up Christ's work!
Love what you do Jeff! Watching ur videos have gotten me back in the word daily. I admire ur knowledge of the Bible and hope to have half of the knowledge u display some day! Also hope to meet you and the team someday!
Come out to South Eastern Washington state someday. Have a lot of Mormon that need to hear your loving truth!
That need to hear God’s loving truth*
Here's one thing that I never hear mentioned about Eternal Progression...not only will there be countless Gods, but in turn, there has to be countless Jesus's as well, all dying on crosses, all being the Son of (a God), all forgiving the sins of only HIS planet and having a second coming only on HIS planet. So not only have the LDS diminished God to one of many, but also Jesus to one of many. It's just Satanic.
That’s because no one really knows that answer in Any theology.
Its like the first Matrix movie; all those versions of Neo who met the programmer .
It's satanic to encourage men to follow their Father to the perfection of Godhood?
Ridiculous
@@danielholm1987 thats not what he said, at all
"Not only God is diminished, but also Jesus."
You do the same thing on a grander scale. God is the highest but you are more offended by them "diminishing" Jesus. If Mormons are big polytheists then mainstream Christians are small polytheists.
When I was a kid in the 80's I lived in a predominantly Mormon area in south -eastern Idaho. I remember the Mormons being offended to be called Christian at that time and now they are offended if you don't think they are Christian. Are you familiar with this? Is this a change that has happened recently or was I in a weird area and only the Mormons in that area were offended by being called "Christian."? This is a serious question and not trying to be antagonistic. I really am wondering. Thanks.
10529Erin wow..that's interesting to know..and that's true now they claim they are Christian and feel bad if said otherwise
In my area, they were offended if you called them a Denomination. Now they can't point out enough that they are a denomination!
>> I remember the Mormons being offended to be called Christian at that time
Your memory was inaccurate.
No that's the way it used to be. I was raised " we aren't Christisans we are Mormon" now they want to be Christisans. Go figure!
They do that kind of weird stuff but on debates or questioned they lie like there is tomorow. Thats what mormon doctrine teaches. They are deceptive
Numbers 23:19 "GOD IS NOT A MAN, that He should lie, Nor a son of man, that He should repent; Has He said, and will He not do it? Or has He spoken, and will He not make it good?
That verse along not only destroys the moron cult here but exposes the satanic lies of Satan Smith they're cuuulltttt then be honest or real.
I spent 40 years in the Mormon church. It fucked me up so bad I don't even really know what I believe at this point. I am working through it, so I appreciate all your videos.
God desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. God loves you.
Just get to this point.
All of these perversions of the Word and message starting with the Catholic Church all the way to this new "God just loves" movement is happening for a reason. They want the power God has. Since the beginning of time since Adam and Eve humans have grasped at that power and control. God has not changed. He did reveal Himself in the bible, and we have tried to hijack it.
And anti God people have been trying to deny it.
God is true. Christ is King and He knows us all.
Just get that straight. You'll see the motives of everyone else. Get into the actual WORD. God bless brother. Keep the faith.
why the profanity brudda
@@ogloc6308 it’s not my job to protect your sensitivities and it’s my right to say whatever the fuck I want…so, there’s that.
@@hudsmack How does Jesus Christ feel about your hostility and aggression towards another image bearer of God? You're not showing the fruit of the spirit rn brother. Matthew 22:37-40 "Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets."
You're neither glorifying God in your speech nor loving your fellow man. You need to repent brother.
Colossians 3:8-10 "But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth.
Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;
And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:"
You may have the "right" or freedom to do many things but the majority of them are unwise and sinful. I'll pray for you brother. God bless you
I'm still waiting for these Mormns who are God's now to come and tell us there faith is true and show us the planet they are The gods of.
After having moved to Utah it’s incredible to see how huge and organized the church is (sooooooo... much... $$$$$$$$$) here, but I’m just not sold
If you like battery acid in your underwear, you'll LOVE mormonism!🔥
One of the drawing/desirable aspects of Mormonism is that it brings a sense of belonging and community. God 'seems' more personal when you think of him as being a man who reached exaltation. Heavenly mother is a warming notion also. It gives off the warm fuzzy feelings. However its the very fact that feeling is false that made me turn away from LDS.
" it's just like their view on the trinity"
*AIR HORNS*
Jesus Christ is the same yesterday today and forever
I'm a polytheist so I'm sympathetic to Mormonism. That said this was very interesting.
They're more anti anti anti polytheistic than Christians and muslims are. Both monotheistic or polytheistic alike can agree that this is a satanic fraudulent anti anti anti God scam. Ultra ultra blasphemy and sin many gods that are always aka gods. And blasphemy agaisnt the hebraic god yahweh as well. The Real gods The Only gods True Ones Only Ones damn the satanic devil worshipping morons and their ULTRA ANTI GOD CULLLTTT FROM HELL.
You can't be sympathetic for Godless creatures like that single thing Upon A Thing upon thing about God in general not just the hebraic one that they try to claim to but they know nothing about any kind of idea of God in general quitting polytheistic and other monotheistic anyting theism wise at all. That's big of scamsss and sinnnnnssssss MORONISM/SATANISM is in and DAMNED.
@@truthgiverandfinder3246 my people have one supreme being and many somewhat smaller beings. Every federation, tribe, clan, and family has a god or several of their own.
@@brycepardoe658 well then it's not many gods than its not polytheistic its monotheistic. Do smaller beings aren't Gods then that means is only one God and that's the 'Supreme Being' aka God.
Those smaller Beings or Divineish Forces are like daemones(absolute contrast to demons and outside devils and above devils and above angels but beneath God(s) in General) they are almost or kinda Godlike Forces. That is what those "smaller" characters are i am guessing.
@@truthgiverandfinder3246 Very much. While Io (God) reigns supreme there are those beneath her that act as guardians of sorts. As a people (I'm Māori) we are protected and guided by Tūmatauenga and his Hine Keira. Each federation, tribe, clan, and family also has a divine couple providing guidance and protection to them. Many of these lesser god's and goddesses were once people. For example my federation is guarded and guided by the spirit of a man called Uenuku. His spirit resides within a sacred carving that bears his name.
May God open their eyes to the truth of the Gospel, by softening their hearts. May He grant them faith and repentance. Salvation is only found in the shed blood of Jesus, second person of the trinity, who gave his life on the cross at Calvary to cover our sins.
I notice Dr. White's the only one with his Bible open? :-)
Trey Mays they all got His word memorized in relation to this topic. The 2 with computers might also have Bible software open.
AdamsTaiwan I was technically better my sarcastic.
Or maybe they have the Bible on their devices?
If you've watched Jeff's witnessing to mormons videos where he talks to them on the streets, they almost never quote/appeal to scripture.
I've also noticed in my personal "comment section" conversations with them. I will point out how their "Jesus" isn't the Jesus of the bible, I'll provide different verses. They never respond with verse of their own. They either disregard what I said, or respond by telling me to read one of their books. But never with a bible verse.
I've notice mormonisms focus is all about us not God.What we do.This is wrong.Its all about Christ not us
All your vids are poorly lit And very informative. Keep them coming!
The problem is the idea of God having a beginning oh, and a father before him is not doctrine. Recently, the only path Mormons have to take is one where there is very little Doctrine. they really like the privilege of putting something out there, having people believe it and follow it, and then later claiming it is not Doctrine. It allows for new revelation and for them to change their mind
1:01:04 “If Mormons have to worship God for all eternity, it would be hell for them because they would be forced to worship someone who they are trying to be...so they’d be stuck in a cycle of jealousy...”
That’s Satan’s exact situation until Christ comes back.
False
Jonathan Gatto Truth
@@MiracleWhit The church is true. Jesus is the savior and Families can be together forever
Jonathan Gatto Typical Mormon testimony. The only thing true you said is Jesus is the Savior (but not the Jesus that is created). Jesus said Who He was/is and it’s easily read-able and comprehend-able unless of course you trust Joseph over Jesus (which is the Mormon case).
@@MiracleWhit We have the same Jesus!
Numbers23:19KJV"God is not a man that he should lie;neither the son of man that he should repent..." Thus if your God is now or ever was a man he is not JEHOVAH.
He's not a god at all ever ever still a man just magically make more stronger but still not a God if I kept her far and outside of a God always.
Regarding the Journal of Discourses: They were once sanctioned and endorsed by the church. On the churches dreary website, it now states they are not official doctrine. That's the same thing as to say 100 years from now, The Ensign is not official doctrine...so quotes and teachings from the Ensign shouldn't be used to represent what the church teaches.
C D The LDS Church is genuinely a religious chameleon, ever changing it’s official doctrines and beliefs. Hopefully, it will eventually come around to the truth of God and Christ.
The one thing I wrestle with is predestination. Though I know God being the alpha and omega sees all things, we know that in scripture (Exodus 32:14) God's mind can be changed. If God's mind can be changed, then how can predestination exist? God is all powerful and not even time can contain his authority.
"Does God change His mind?"
Answer: Malachi 3:6 declares, “I the LORD do not change. So you, O descendants of Jacob, are not destroyed.” Similarly, James 1:17 tells us, “Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, who does not change like shifting shadows.” Numbers 23:19 is clear: “God is not a man, that He should lie, nor a son of man, that He should change His mind. Does He speak and then not act? Does He promise and not fulfill?” Based on these verses, no, God does not change. God is unchanging and unchangeable. He is also all-wise. So He cannot “change His mind” in the sense of realizing a mistake, backtracking, and trying a new tack.
How then do we explain verses that seem to say that God does change His mind? Verses such as Genesis 6:6, “The LORD was grieved that He had made man on the earth, and His heart was filled with pain.” Also, Exodus 32:14 proclaims, “Then the LORD relented and did not bring on His people the disaster He had threatened.” These verses speak of the Lord “repenting” or “relenting” of something and seem to contradict the doctrine of God’s immutability.
Another passage that is often used to show that God changes His mind is the story of Jonah. Through His prophet, God had told Nineveh He would destroy the city in forty days (Jonah 3:4). However, Nineveh repented of their sin (verses 5-9). In response to the Assyrians’ repentance, God relented: “He had compassion and did not bring upon them the destruction He had threatened” (verse 10).
There are two important considerations involving the passages that say God changed His mind. First, we can say statements such as “the LORD was grieved that He had made man on the earth” (Genesis 6:6) are examples of anthropopathism (or anthropopatheia). Anthropopathism is a figure of speech in which the feelings or thought processes of finite humanity are ascribed to the infinite God. It’s a way to help us understand God’s work from a human perspective. In Genesis 6:6 specifically, we understand God’s sorrow over man’s sin. God obviously did not reverse His decision to create man. The fact that we are alive today is proof that God did not “change His mind” about the creation.
Second, we must make a distinction between conditional declarations of God and unconditional determinations of God. In other words, when God said, “I will destroy Nineveh in forty days,” He was speaking conditionally upon the Assyrians’ response. We know this because the Assyrians repented and God did not, in fact, mete out the judgment. God did not change His mind; rather, His message to Nineveh was a warning meant to provoke repentance, and His warning was successful.
An example of an unconditional declaration of God is the Lord’s promise to David, “Your house and your kingdom will endure forever before me; your throne will be established forever” (2 Samuel 7:16). There is no qualification expressed or implied in this declaration. No matter what David did or did not do, the word of the Lord would come to pass.
God tells us of the cautionary nature of some of His declarations and the fact that He will act in accordance with our choices: “If at any time I announce that a nation or kingdom is to be uprooted, torn down and destroyed, and if that nation I warned repents of its evil, then I will relent and not inflict on it the disaster I had planned. And if at another time I announce that a nation or kingdom is to be built up and planted, and if it does evil in my sight and does not obey me, then I will reconsider the good I had intended to do for it. Now therefore say to the people of Judah and those living in Jerusalem, ‘This is what the Lord says: Look! I am preparing a disaster for you and devising a plan against you. So turn from your evil ways, each one of you, and reform your ways and your actions’” (Jeremiah 18:7- 11). Note the conditional word if: “If that nation I warned repents [like Assyria in Jonah 3] . . . then I will relent.” Conversely, God may tell a nation they will be blessed, but “if it does evil in my sight [like Israel in Micah 1] . . . then I will reconsider the good I had intended to do.”
The bottom line is that God is entirely consistent. In His holiness, God was going to judge Nineveh. However, Nineveh repented and changed its ways. As a result, God, in His holiness, had mercy on Nineveh and spared them. This “change of mind” is entirely consistent with His character. His holiness did not waver one iota.
The fact that God changes His treatment of us in response to our choices has nothing to do with His character. In fact, because God does not change, He must treat the righteous differently from the unrighteous. If someone repents, God consistently forgives; if someone refuses to repent, God consistently judges. He is unchanging in His nature, His plan, and His being. He cannot one day be pleased with the contrite and the next day be angry with the contrite. That would show Him to be mutable and untrustworthy. For God to tell Nineveh, “I’m going to judge you,” and then (after they repent) refuse to judge them may look like God changed His mind. In reality, God was simply staying true to His character. He loves mercy and forgives the penitent. “Has God forgotten to be merciful?” (Psalm 77:9). The answer is, no.
At one time we were all enemies of God due to our sin (Romans 8:7). God warned us of the wages of sin (Romans 6:23) in order to cause us to repent. When we repented and trusted Christ for salvation, God “changed His mind” about us, and now we are no longer enemies but His beloved children (John 1:12). As it would be contrary to God’s character to not punish us had we continued in sin, so it would be contrary to His character to punish us after we repent. Does our change of heart mean that God changes? No, if anything, our salvation points to the fact that God does not change, because had He not saved us for the sake of Christ, He would have acted contrary to His character.
www.gotquestions.org/God-change-mind.html
God does not change
Also if God predestined everything where does free-will fit in?
At 50:00, you think you know what 'scripture mastery' is in seminary, as if people were asked not to read the entire scripture chapter by chapter or read entire books... your prejudice is apparent. Not at all what seminary is like.
What?
what's with the weird lighting?
I’m a Mormon and I love your show it makes my testimony stronger each time I listen to you.....it also helps me with doubting members...God bless you...Your plan of salvation does not cover all God’s children.....Lots of people never knew John 3--5.....what happened to them....? I’m getting bored with all your bragging! Your books are not inspired just thoughts of men!
Ditto, I find it ironic so many have found a way to make a living off of bashing the LDS Church. After seeing the purpose behind these podcasts, my testimony is solidified in God the Eternal Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost.
binmyrtmind Amen! Thank you for your comment......anti Mormon materials give me growth in my testimony!
You believe in a heavenly mother. You believe God was once a man, You believe you can become a god. You believe God has flesh and bones. I am atheist and this seems like it's something that someone pulled out of their ass
The last time someone told us we could be Gods, they ate the apple and sin was brought into the world. The only true God is The Father, The Son, The Holy Spirit. What is God? One. Who is God? Father, Son, Holy Spirit. You will not be your own God, that is a demonic lie. Just because God makes us Heirs and co heirs doesn’t mean we now have the power to create. God makes us co heirs because of our acceptance of Jesus sacrifice. It has nothing to do with what we do or did. But everything to do with what Jesus did.
Please why are they saying Joseph Smith wrote the Book of Mormon???? they lost me when they said "That's not what Joseph Smith said in the Book of Mormon" why is he saying when he wasn't even born when it was written??? Lol It's sad
I had a dad growing up
I am like him in so many ways.But when he passed away.I did not become him.I stayed me with some of his attributes.
To understand who Joseph Smith REALLY was like - one can look at David Koresh from Waco Tx. So MANY similarities!
Great session! Love from LA
the book of joseph smith and his 40 wives
Great video and thanks for tackling these issues.
Thank you for calling attention to my Christian faith. I am a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and I love being a member. I can't get enough of it. It's awesome and I recommend it highly. That three Mormons site is awesome. I love it. In fact, it is likely the most exciting and Biblical Christian faith I have found.
You either follow Joseph Smith (and focus on the church) or you follow Christ.
Looneytoones and Liisa - Thank you for coming to the rescue with your concern. But I am quite delighted to be a baptized, vibrant follower of Jesus Christ, a Bible believer, and a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. They are mutually synonymous. You can throw in the Book of Mormon as well which is an exciting Additional Witness to our Savior and Redeemer Jesus Christ.
Either you follow Christ, or you follow Paul, you can't do both.
"Faith without works is dead".
Mark 16 [16] He that believeth and is BAPTIZED (a work) shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
+cdowis
Was Abraham baptized, or was God's saving grace given to him without any condition of works?
@@tyndale25 So you just post your testimony of your personal feelings and experience, you don't address any of the issues raised in the video, like how Mormons have different meanings for words than Christians do. You don't address how very fundamental and important the nature of God is as defined by the Bible and how Mormonism refutes that, and teaches the existence of infinite gods. Your experience doesn't mean anything to anyone but you. My faith is based in the Bible, it is the same regardless of how I "feel" about it. Truth is truth, whether you believe it or not, and if you say the Bible is true, then it must come first, and any teachings or "revelations" or doctrines that conflict with it must be discarded as false. Joseph disagrees with Jesus about many things, therefore Joseph is wrong, because Jesus never is.
You love GMM, too, Jeff?? This makes me so happy! I listen to you and Dr. White all the time. Thank you for your ministry and sharing the wisdom and knowledge you have gained.
Thank you guys, amazing dialogue, incredibly informative, Keep up the great work. God bless!
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is it possible that their is one original God who's desire is to make more Gods?and therefore we are both right in our view of who God is? serious answers appreciated.
It is not possible because it is not biblical and God has revealed he is the first and the last :) hope this helped
@@gracejohnston3367 no because if he if there was an original God means there is a guy that means that when is the god anti anything else therefore in order to make others of his own kind but other gods is just simply split or just birth themselves out and shoot out not have creatures first I can become something or not they can't become.
Mormons also refer to Gnostic texts to justify their beliefs.
They are not scriptures, only historical documents.
The shirt of James is that the logo of NWU "North West University" in South Africa??
I've used this explanation of the trinity that seems to make sense to a lot of people. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Here it is:
The trinity can be thought of as a family. Lets call this family the Smiths. Let's say the smiths family is made up of 3 members. Father, mother and son.
So there is ONE family, but 3 persons who make up the family. Each one is 100% a family member, yet there is only one family.
So no one would call each member a separate family of its own. It's easy to see that the 3 persons make up one family.
Similarly, there is only one God, yet 3 persons. The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.
Modern Vintage Lifestyles that does make sense, when I think about it a lot. People still may find it confusing as the Smith family is still composed of 3 separate people. Jesus is God in the flesh, the holy spirit is the spirit of God, and so on and so forth. I always use the analogy of a trident.
Lian Arnst remember that neither is the other. For example, Jesus is not the Father, nor is the Spirit the Son. Each family member is a separate person.
Modern Vintage Lifestyles ok, I see your analogy. They’re all one in spirit, but separate physically.
Modern Vintage Lifestyles but peiple think God and Man are completely different substances. Jesus is called son of man for a reason and God is a MAN OF HOLINESS
Earl Jared Banaga Jesus became incarnate, therefore he is 100% man and 100% God,yet 1 person of the trinity.
We were told by Mormons that we were all spirits in heaven before we came here and don't remember it so we can learn how to be like god to return to his side perfect
Lmfao
Mormons didn’t tell you that.
Luke 1:36 John the Baptist who is still in Elizabeth belly jumps to acknowledge his savior who he knew from the premortal life.
The great I am said Before Abraham I am. In Jeremiah, he said “Before you formed in the womb, I knew thee.”
Happy to provide you more biblical references for sincere souls only
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I love the Calvinist poster behind Dr White.
Where can I get me one of those?
SAME. That thing is awesome.
This is awesome! Do more on there episodes!
I was wondering how Mormons answer the bible saying not to preach ANOTHER gospel other than the one first preached to the saints and their bible 1800's years removed says The Book of Mormon: ANOTHER Testament of Jesus Christ. Just check out Galatians 1:6-9, 2 Cor 11:4. And this is not to mention that their prophet Moroni died a man and resurrected an angel. And Jesus even said that He had foretold us all things. Just sayin'. GOD Bless, PeaceB2All
The answer is simple. Christ has restored that Gospel which He preached in the New Testament. For example, is baptism (a work) a requirement for salvation. What did Christ teach? Mark 16:16
cdowis Baptism is an outward expression of an inward change.
@@cdowis thief on cross was not baptized and entered paradise. This discredits spirit prison and works based salvation.
I enjoy watching y’all so much. And I totally agree with you on everything I’ve seen so far from Apologia. It’s very encouraging for me to see you strive for the truth. I would like to point out the next step, get rid of the “trinity” symbol. It’s an ancient Druid symbol that was merged into Christianity by Roman Catholicism along with other pagan practices. Not saying that I detest the trinity, just the image of the triquetra. Exodus 20:4 thou shalt not make unto the any graven image or any likeness of anything that is in heaven
I just listened to some of the 3 Mormons and it is proof how lost they really are; mother g-d, really???
@Burgess Covington seek help
What’s wrong with that? You have a problem yielding to a woman?
@@srilankangenie I do it most days sunshine!
@@Jonny4384
You must then be a believer of Gen 1:27
in the image of God (Elohim, the Hebrew term for plural of God) He created them; male and female He created them”
What we see on earth is a reflection of heaven. The family is not a hard doctrine to comprehend. The family is ordained of God.
1 Corinthians 11:11
Nevertheless, neither is man independent of woman, nor woman independent of man, in the Lord.
Therefore, he shall be joined to his wife; and they shall become one flesh.
God set the example of the perfect family. Gender is eternal and has always existed.
@@srilankangenie peace be with you!
Thanks for this digest of their video. Do more of these.
How did I miss this.. Errrr!
They're doing these every Thursday! I missed it too
John Bot, I didn't have the bell hit for some reason..
A bell like a notification?
John Bot yes sir
Interesting observation made by fellow Christian, Cody Laumeister:
"I remember this point in the debate and thinking 1) I never thought I'd root for a Mormon in a debate, just shows you the (dubious) power of Calvinism, and 2) as soon as Kwaku got James and Jeff busy defending Calvinism, rather than attacking Mormonism, Kwaku was now winning the debate, despite the absolute indefensibility of Mormon origins and doctrine. This is especially comical given how James and Jeff, before the debate, were musing how the debate would be such an unfair fight, given what badass Christian apologists they "obviously" were, that they (almost) felt guilty inviting poor little Kwaku into the lion's den, as it were. So how did Kwaku pull off this wildly successful judo move? Easy, just disparage Calvinist dogma casually but directly, and James and Jeff, even with all their considerable debating skill, cannot help but take the bait. Once they do, they're on the defensive and under Kwaku's control, no matter how wrong they think Kwaku is. It's like waving a red cape in front of a bull -- the bull can't help going after the cape, thinking here's an easy kill, which takes his eyes off the matador. From that point on the bull is doomed, despite his deadly horns and weight advantage, because the matador has a sword in his other hand, and it's the sword that will kill him; the cape is just an act of misdirection that the matador knows will consume the bull's fury and attention. The matador, having a human brain, can learn how a bull thinks, while the bull will always be just a bull, and can never know all that the matador is thinking. Maybe Kwaku just stumbled into this strategic move, but he's a quick study, and now he knows how a Calvinist will behave when provoked, while the Calvinists simply continue to respond like Calvinists, and learn nothing. Of course, Kwaku is just as vulnerable on Mormonism, more so in fact; but as long as they're talking Calvinism, Kwaku is the matador. And it's only a matter of time before he locates the bull's vulnerable spot and drives the sword home. When I imply that the bulls, James and Jeff, have learned nothing, I say that based on the fact that they put the debate video up after the fact for public consumption. Clearly they would never have done this if they realized what fools Kwaku made of them at this point in the debate. Presumably they thought they "schooled" little Kwaku on "purposeless evil" and "God's decree", etc. But anyone, including Kwaku, whose mind is not held captive to the TULIP systematic, is perfectly free to blame evil on the evildoers, and allow God, who is not the author of evil, to bring good out of man's evil when and how He chooses, and thus demonstrate the redemptive nature of His sovereignty. If God's sovereignty can ONLY work thru meticulous prearranged control of all things, what need is there of redemptive action on God's part? If it's all God's doing, why must God redeem anything He has already done? If the Holocaust is the result of God's decree, and God is good, then there is no injustice in the Holocaust in need of God's redemptive love and justice. OK, says the Calvinist, but the Nazis were acting "freely" out of compatibilistic freedom, so they're responsible, right? Maybe, but given their totally depraved "nature", which as creatures must have come from God, after all, they're also morally incapable of acting otherwise; whereas God alone acts from perfect freedom. So who's more responsible for the Holocaust? If you think this is all abstract theologizing, go over to the SGM Survivors site and read some of the horror stories from CJ Mahaney's Sovereign Grace churches once they went Calvinistic. One female survivor of continual childhood sexual abuse was "comforted" by one of Mahaney's disciples with the words, "Isn't it comforting to know that whatever happened to you was God's plan, and that it was better than you deserved?" That's street-level Calvinism, folks, stripped of nuance and philosophical equivocation. That "counselor," an older woman no less, imbibed Calvinism and simply applied it consistently to the matter at hand. I'm sure James White would protest that the counselor lacked a "full-orbed" understanding of God's decree; I think that means she's not smart enough to hold several incoherent assertions in mind at the same time; it takes a brilliant theologian, like James White, to do that."
R u following the church instead of Jesus?
Eph 4:11-14
Paul answered your question
@@cdowisEphesians 2:5-10, works will not bring righteousness (right standing with God). If you need righteousness to be with God, you cannot obtain it yourself.
Wait, I'm confused.. Who's Jehovah @ around 46:00??
Or who's Elohim???
I thought Mormons call 'God the Father' "Elohim"
So who's Jehovah, who is going to organise the earth with Michael??
Really confused here.. Help me out lol
Kylene Martin Chris Rosebrough, channel and podcast is Fighting for the Faith, explains Elohim is a plural word for God (El). so in genesis the hebrew phrasing would actually be read "Gods, He created them male and female" showing the trinity
Elohim was God.
Jehovah was Jesus.
Michael was ???
LDS theology is confusing.
Sorry I am not of much help.
Faye Lewis It is very confusing!
But in Isaiah 44:6, Dr White reads and calls God "Jehovah"? @ around 44:10
That's why I got confused when he said Elohim told Jehovah and Michael (ark Angel) to organise the earth??
It is confusing.
God has been called by various names throughout the Bible, it is done so as to denote or call out to him on his different qualities especially where God demonstrated these qualities. He has been called, Elohim ( infinite all powerful), Yahweh (Jehovah- supreme), Emmanuel( God is with us), Jehovah Jireh(God that provides) and others..Google them
This is unfair. The mormons didn't stand a chance.
J Fishlips they were free to say no or prepare
@@nicolaslosito5735, True!
Because they're from the devil
That is why we need to pray for them. They are deceived.
Please leave suggestions on Biblical teachers that I can read docture from. Stuff im able to take notes with. I ask this because lately i've been struggling to know what is and isn't true when it comes to certain doctrines and I don't really know who to trust when searching for answers. Anything is helpful..
Hey I saw no one replied to you on this. You can find many old heroes of the faith like the puritans who have written works to read. Also people like R. C. Sproul are good. Listening to most orthodox pastors is good too like John MacArthur, Alistair Begg, John Piper and others would be good.
If kwaku had done nothing to prepare for his appearance on apologia but watch THIS video (and actually had respect enough to TRY to understand the concepts raised) he would not have said the things he said.
Clearly kwaku had and has zero respect for any doctrine beyond that which he created in his own mind or that which he is simply regurgitating.
Either way, he is incapable of defending either because he truly understands nothing about either Mormonism or Christianity.
Can James White debate Kwaku?! PLEASE
Yo! I blew up 3 Mormons channel with comments to get the word out that they needed to listen to this video. Hoping they actually take a look and don't mark me off as spam. I sent them some friendly comments. I really mean that. :-)
John Bot: I've been chatting with one of them via Facebook messenger. they are fully aware of this episode and have reviewed it. I don't think they intend on doing anything at all and just let it fall by their wayside.
*sigh* That totally stinks. Gosh, people dead in their trespasses are gonna do what people dead in their trespasses do. Stay dead.
John Bot: it is sad. This guy and I have talked for over a month back and forth and in the end he always just says, "lets agree to disagree".
I wonder if you should start quoting the early mormon apostles and prophets and see if he says a similar thing to you. Because if he does say that, I would press him on whether he would be obligated to believe in what those early mormon apostles and prophets taught if he lived in their time period. If God was truly speaking through those men *we know he wasn't), then God's word stands, and he needs to abide in it.
I am betting it was David Snell, wasn't it?
You could send me a forgotten Trinity it's my next on the read
Thanks James and Jeff
What's up with that occult trinity symbol above your head??
It was a Christian symbol before anyone began using it to denote anything related to the occult.
Wrong that thing is over 4000 years old
Actually that is a Celtic symbol. Which was picked up by Christian's in erstwhile English domain of Ireland, Scotland and Wales. And used for advertising. Christianity has no symbols we use the cross as a symbol to remind us of Christ's sacrifice but that's just it. It should not be symbolized because then one is idolizing it.
rogerbrady2003rab that is correct you know your stuff
Of course the Christian cross and the fish symbol are also Pagan symbols which Christianity adopted, along with the Trinity concept.
What does Jeff think of Aron Ra?
I appreciate you giving your opinion and you are welcome to keep it but I use to be baptist and now I'm an imvestigator getting baptized soon the the LDS church. I know you're "trying to help" but if we're happy then why bother making this stuff ? At church we don't talk about other religions and you don't have to Believe in the church , but we do and making these videos from your perspective is wrong. Just because you don't go to the church and don't know everything we learn . But thanks for sharing your opinion , we will live our lives :) check out LDS.org :)
Have you read the Doctrine and Covenants and Pearl of Great Price? The Book of Mormon doesn't have any of the Mormon Doctrines that say what you must do to reach exaltation: temple endowments, baptism for the dead, temple marriage, wearing of garments, secret signs and handshakes in the temple, etc. Have you read all of the Gospel Topic Essays at www.lds.org/topics/essays?lang=eng ? Be sure and read the footnotes too, so you find out about Joseph Smith, his multiple versions of the First Vision that kept getting more elaborate (instead of more forgetful), the history of the church, etc. Be sure to do your research before you get baptized.
alex w - I am excited for you and for every person who makes the decision to come unto Christ and to be baptized by one holding authority. your baptism will be a great day. I still remember my own baptism though it occurred several decades ago. I have loved every minute being a member of this church, and being a disciple of the Lord Jesus Christ. What a great day in which to live.
alex w because the Bible gives the disiple of Christ the commission to preach the gospel of Christ to the Lost and destined for hellfire so that they may come to a saving knowledge of Christ. And incidentally if you are an investigator of the Mormon church you are not happy despite what you are telling yourself, especially when you get teary eyed while "bearing your testimony"!! Having witnessed the spectacle multiple times they are not tears of joy, but rather sadness, fear, anxiety and convictions of blasphemous nature of the message being fed you. Come to the truth of Christ via the biblical message
@Scot .harvath
And you are sitting on the Throne of God and judging us?
@Scot .harvath
Thanks for sharing your personal opinions.
>>If Jesus is God, He alone will judge everyone,If Jesus is God, He alone will judge everyone
Christ disagrees with you.
Matt.19
[28] And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
>>God was Created
OK, we agree that God was not created, but the Bible does tell us
Heb 5 [8] Though he were a Son, yet *learned he obedience* by the things which he suffered;
[9] *And being made perfect* he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him
The Bible says it, we believe it
It's very dark hard to see. Great video though. God bless ♥️🙏
These Mormons would not know what to do if they were given God hood for one day.Also satan is the one who taught man how to be as gods.We failed.We can't do it.
What if , Jeff and James ( according to your gospel ) these Mormons have not been chosen but frozen are you not wasting your time ?? I know you would say that only God knows who has been chosen or frozen so therefore your time is not wasted .
Now I may be wrong. But isn't that symbol on the wall a pagan celtic symbol?
Hi no it is a 🎤 with speakers
@andreatimmers1720 the symbol on the speakers is from celtic Paganism.
Is mormon theology biased against the Jewish Christian theology Because it likes to reflects back To having control over the body of that Church
if gods are born, do they die as well?
Did Christ die?
No, "gods" are not born, since there are not multiple "gods". There is only one God.
And while Jesus was born, it was not His divine nature (His godhood) that was "born". Please read John 1:1-14, the "word" (who was God) already existed prior to being born in his humanity.
@@cdowis you're evil
I just watched the 3-hr Cultish episode with the ex-Mormon couple and THEY made a "leather-bound books" Anchorman reference too! Lol too funny, must be deeply ingrained in the Apologia culture.
Hi brothers and sisters in Christ. ..
I have a question. .so do Mormons believe that each planet will have a redeemer that is going to one day give his life for the sins of the people of that planet.? Maybe I'm understanding their view wrong. .
There is no official position.
But John 5: 19 The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he [doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
When they used Romans 8 I was brought back to the time I was speaking to a ward leader, someone just below the bishop. He, like they, used such passage in the same manner. They all failed in exegeting the text. They failed to recognized what was written before it in order to understand what Paul was saying in that specific verse & chapter. They also failed to deal with the information previous said by Paul (chapters 1-7). The elder was wrong then and these 3 Mormons are still wrong when they made such video and even still wrong if they continue to hold to such theology.
I grew up Lutheran and still currently have a parent who is clergy. I was there all while they attended seminary and learned all they did beside them. I love God and the Holy Bible with all my heart. I grew up knowing all the wrongs of the Mormon church.
I would like to give special thanks to Apologia Studios, but not for the reasons you may think. Many years ago, I was chastised by God in my active preaching against the Church and was corrected and shown that Christ is true and living as we read in the Book of Mormon. A simple man with as much gospel knowledge as I have been given now sees that plain as day. Your videos here only further strengthen my faith as any and every reference you give in attempt to debunk the one true church I double and triple check, put into context, reread in my Greek and Hebrew texts, and find do not stand against us. Of fact, you often prove your own lack of understanding with scripture. I pray for you and all your listeners that you will continue to strengthen members of the faith that Christ is Lord and we are all saved by His grace.
I do ask one thing though, toward the end of this, you mentioned the 101st Memorization Program? I can’t seem to find this anywhere. Hopefully someone will be gracious enough to point me in the direction of this so that I may be edified.
Thank you again. I admire the beauty of your devotion to God. I wish more in His church had the same vigor these days. Amen.
Genuine question, not a gotcha. I want to understand how Mormons make sense of this passage John 17:3 “and this is eternal life, that they may know you [Father] the only true God..”
How do you understand this verse to be consistent with Mormon theology?
@@hjc1402last time I spoke to missionaries and read a Mormon dictionary, “eternal life” meant the highest heaven where they believe God the Father is. Christians mean it as with God, one heaven, one eternity, one being, those without eternal life are in eternal hell/separation.
@@TheCowabungaBros I guess I mean the phrase only true God who is the Father. If the Father is the only true God, there are no other true gods, perhaps false gods but not true gods. But they would say there’s three gods of this world and a billion others of their own worlds.
@@hjc1402 I appreciate your question. I see absolutely no problem with anything laid out in John 17, even verse 3. In fact, I would be interested to hear your thoughts on the whole chapter in which Christ Jesus is conversing with the Almighty God as though they are separate beings instead of just separate persons (discussing specifically how they were together before the creation and are now are no longer).
But specifically to the question focused more on “only true God,” I say to you Amen! God The Father, is the one true God of our universe, Earth, and everything we know and experience, both seen and unseen. We acknowledge Christ Jesus and the Holy Ghost for their unity to God as being part of the Godhead. We in no way pray to them or worship them as divine creators. That is only God The Father. We will praise Christ for being the perfect lamb and sacrifice sent from Father for our salvation, but that does not mean we worship Jesus of Nazareth. He is perfect and exalted before all men and is Lord of the Earth, the Only Begotten of the Father. We who believe in the God of the scriptures, a god who knows none before nor after, can read this plainly without needing to add in and extra biblical theology which developed after Christ’s mortal ministry on the Earth as we can read about in any epistle from Paul.
If you have more questions about why this is a non-issue for those who follow Christ in His established church on Earth, I recommend reading into the theologian Blake T. Ostler. He has some wonderful insights and books you can learn about through a quick google search. Don’t let your leaders hide truth from you. We are very open and happy to share the Good News with you and all people. I realize that I alone do not have all the answers you may seek. No one man can have all the answers and truth, for that is reserved to God. But I am always happy to bear witness what God has to mercifully given to me.
One last thing, though: I am still curious to find this “101st Memorization Program.” If you know where I can find this, please forward it to me! Thanks ahead of time.
I pray that all the world will come to the Father through His Son, Christ Jesus. This is God’s desire as we see in scripture: “3 This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus,” 1 Tim 2, NIV. It is my most sincere desire that you may come to know the real Jesus and His Father above, who is your God and my God. Amen.
@@DylanIsSaved do you believe Jesus is YHWH of the Old Testament?
Dr White, I seem to remember reading in your book "letters to a Mormon Elder" that a bishop reassigned the Elder you wrote to. I don't remember if that was a real letter or if it was for the purpose of ending the book but did you ever hear from either of the elders who came to you again?
White admitted this "elder" was a fictional character.
His book was a fictionalized account based on HUNDREDS and HUNDREDS of hours of discussions with Mormons and Mormon missionaries at Temple Square and elsewhere. I believe the reason for the change in elder at the end of the book is based on real life situations when the current elder gets to emotionally attached to the proselyte, and/or the elder is starting to be in danger of losing their testimony in light of what they are learning from the Christian.
Typically, Mormons don't let such discussions get that involved or to go that long, if they get any kind of resistance, or feel that the person is attempting to "teach" them, they simply bear their testimony and skedaddle.
I used to be atheist and my argument against God was that the universe seemed so cruel and unjust. But how had I got this idea of just and unjust? A man does not call a line crooked unless he has some idea of a straight line. What was I comparing the universe with when I called it unjust?
You can watch Matthew Dillahunty's debate with Jordan Peterson. But It doesn't matter where it comes from. The fact that you can recognise that slavery and sex slavery is wrong but the bible endorses it is proof that you are above the God in that book
@@SkinnyGreekGod what do you mean by slavery how did you come to that conclusion?
@@GracUntoYou frank turek?
Not sure you can understand both sides by just reading something. Mormonism is experiential. It is not just books.
I get confused.. should I be praying to God or Jesus?
And can someone explain to me what it means that Jesus is God in the flesh? It doesn't mean that Jesus IS God right?
Chrissy J “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.
He was in the world, and the world was made through him, yet the world did not know him.
And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.”
John 1:1-3, 10, 14 ESV
So the way to think of it is this.
The doctrine of the Trinity is built on three foundations:
1. Monotheism-there is only ONE God, Yahweh
2. There are three divine persons- the scriptures demonstrate that the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are distinct from each other.
3. Co-eternal/Co-equal- the scriptures demonstrate that each person shares 100% in the being of the eternal Yahweh.
We are talking about three who's and one what.
So through the incarnation the Trinity was revealed. Yahweh, the God of Israel, took on flesh (a tent) and became the living, breathing Tabernacle (the Tabernacle of Moses is the foreshadowing of the incarnation).
In the beginning Jesus existed, Jesus was with God AND Jesus is God (the Trinity). Jesus was in the beginning with God.
The Word became flesh (Tabernacle).
Jesus is God.
Jesus was 100% God and 100% man.
It is okay to pray to Jesus and God because Jesus is God in flesh. Biblically speaking, God is a Trinity consisting of three persons: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. It's like saying that time is one thing that consists of three aspects or parts: the past, the present, and the future. So we would say that time is one thing with three "parts." God is a Trinity. The Trinity is three parts, and one of those parts became flesh. John 1:1, says "in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." In John 1:14 it says that "the Word became flesh and dwelt among us…" This means that Jesus has two natures, God and man. Therefore, we can pray to God the Father, we can pray to the Holy Spirit, and we can pray to the person of Jesus because they are all in one God.
Jesus is prayed to in the Bible. We see in 1 Corinthians 1:2 it says, "to the church of God which is at Corinth, to those who have been sanctified in Christ Jesus, saints by calling, with all who in every place call upon the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, their Lord and ours." I underlined the phrase that is relevant here. The New Testament was written in Greek, and in Greek what it says is...
epikaloumenois to onoma tou kuriou hamon iasous kristou
calling upon the name of the lord of us Jesus Christ
Around 250 BC the Jews translated the Old Testament into Greek. The Old Testament phrases such as "call upon the name of YHWH" were translated into "call upon the name of the Lord." YHWH consists of four consonants that are used in the Hebrew Old Testament to designate the name of God. When the Old Testament talked about "calling upon the name of YHWH" it meant among other things, to pray to God (Psalm 116:4). Paul the apostle used the Greek equivalent of the Old Testament phrase in relationship to Jesus.
Therefore, it is biblical to pray to Jesus.
Finally, all false religions refuse to pray to Jesus, because to them Jesus is not God in flesh. But, we also see that Jesus said in John 14:14, "Ask me anything in my name and I will do it." So, Jesus is telling us it's okay to pray to him.
carm.org/do-we-pray-to-jesus-or-god
When we are praying, do we pray directly to God or through Jesus?
by Jacob Allee
The answer to the given question is “Yes” and “Yes” but allow me to elaborate on that a bit. When Jesus taught his disciples how they ought to pray in Matthew 6:9-13 he instructed them to pray to “Our Father in heaven.”
9Pray then like this: “Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name. 10 Your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. 11Give us this day our daily bread, 12and forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors. 13And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil.
So it was Jesus Himself, God in flesh (John 1:1-14), who told us that we should raise our prayers directly to God, namely, God the Father. The Bible teaches that God has existed eternally as one being in three persons, Father, Son and Holy Spirit. This doctrine is known as the Trinity. This is why Jesus can both be God and still pray to God (e.g. John 17) because while they share the same being they are different in person.
Each person of the Trinity plays different roles in how they interact in the lives of believers and unbelievers alike. When it comes to our given topic of prayer, the Bible teaches that it is God the Father whom we ought to direct our prayers to, but it also teaches that it is through Jesus that we have that kind of direct access to the Father. Consider the verse in Mark 15:38; “And the curtain of the temple was torn in two, from top to bottom.” This “curtain” is the one that separated people from the Holy of Holies (aka “The Most Holy Place”) in the temple, the place where God’s presence dwelled in a special sense. The Holy of Holies was the place where once a year a priest would enter after having carefully observed all of the purification rituals that were required before entering into God’s presence and make a sacrifice for the unintentional sins of the people of Israel (intentional or known sins were to be dealt with on a regular basis). The curtain was torn in two by God at the time of Jesus’ death on the cross. Hebrews 9:1-14 tells us how through Christ’s death we no longer are separated from God by the curtain.
1Now even the first covenant had regulations for worship and an earthly place of holiness. 2 For a tent was prepared, the first section, in which were the lampstand and the table and the bread of the Presence. It is called the Holy Place. 3 Behind the second curtain was a second section called the Most Holy Place, 4 having the golden altar of incense and the ark of the covenant covered on all sides with gold, in which was a golden urn holding the manna, and Aaron’s staff that budded, and the tablets of the covenant. 5 Above it were the cherubim of glory overshadowing the mercy seat. Of these things we cannot now speak in detail. 6 These preparations having thus been made, the priests go regularly into the first section, performing their ritual duties, 7 but into the second only the high priest goes, and he but once a year, and not without taking blood, which he offers for himself and for the unintentional sins of the people. 8 By this the Holy Spirit indicates that the way into the holy places is not yet opened as long as the first section is still standing 9 (which is symbolic for the present age). According to this arrangement, gifts and sacrifices are offered that cannot perfect the conscience of the worshiper, 10 but deal only with food and drink and various washings, regulations for the body imposed until the time of reformation. 11 But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things that have come, then through the greater and more perfect tent (not made with hands, that is, not of this creation) 12 he entered once for all into the holy places, not by means of the blood of goats and calves but by means of his own blood, thus securing an eternal redemption. 13 For if the blood of goats and bulls, and the sprinkling of defiled persons with the ashes of a heifer, sanctify for the purification of the flesh, 14 how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, purify our conscience from dead works to serve the living God.
This passage explains that in the Old Covenant, under the law, the priest had to continually offer sacrifices again and again for the people of Israel because the sacrifices were imperfect, they never actually fully appeased God’s wrath for sin, hence the need to repeat the sacrifice. Jesus, however, was the perfect lamb of God (John 1:29; 36), the sinless one, He was the perfect sacrifice that God was pleased with. When Christ died on the cross and the curtain was torn that separated the people from the Most Holy Place in the temple this indicated that man no longer needed to approach God through priests and through repetitive sacrifices. It is in Christ that we have a perfect sacrifice, and it was paid once and in full! Just as it says in Hebrews 10:12-14:
“12 But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, 13 waiting from that time until his enemies should be made a footstool for his feet. 14 For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified.”
Jesus became our high priest before God, always making intercession for us. It is because of this Jesus’ sacrifice that the New Covenant was ushered in (Luke 22:20) and we now no longer depend on earthly priests to come before God for us, but through Christ, we may directly and boldly approach God’s throne with our prayers. Again in Hebrews 7:23-27 it says:
23 The former priests were many in number, because they were prevented by death from continuing in office, 24 but he holds his priesthood permanently, because he continues forever. 25 Consequently, he is able to save to the uttermost those who draw near to God through him, since he always lives to make intercession for them. 26 For it was indeed fitting that we should have such a high priest, holy, innocent, unstained, separated from sinners, and exalted above the heavens. 27 He has no need, like those high priests, to offer sacrifices daily, first for his own sins and then for those of the people, since he did this once for all when he offered up himself.
So as to the original question, “When we are praying do we pray directly to God or through Jesus?” Again, the answer is yes, we pray directly to God the Father because that is what Jesus taught us to do, and yes we pray through Jesus because He is our high priest who has given us direct access to God the Father by His sacrifice and He is now interceding on our behalf before the Father. So when it comes to praying, Hebrews 4:14-15 says it best:
14 Since then we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus, the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession. 15 For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet without sin. 16 Let us then with confidence draw near to the throne of grace, that we may receive mercy and find grace to help in time of need.
As Christians, we pray to God our Father because He is the provider of all good things (James 1:17; Matthew 7:7-11), and we pray in Jesus’ name because He is the one who makes it possible to approach God because His blood has covered our sins.
carm.org/pray-directly-to-god-or-jesus
Faye Lewis thank you so much..... providing the scripture was very helpful
I’d like to know the reference you mentioned about how Heavenly Father begat Jesus in a sexual act with Mary, please. What publication was that in? I’d love to have it handy. Thanks! ♥️
will the audio go up on your website?
So I found the verse for their trinity debate!!!!
3 Mormons sounds like “3 Nephites”. Referring to the Mormon Lore that there are 3 Nephites who are immortal and walk the earth. They’ve since changed the shows name, but that’s what I thought of.
That sounds creepy 😳
At 1:11:00, are you saying that there were no gods only idols that tempted the children of Israel in the OT? What a bizarre way to rebuttal that argument! There were many examples of gods, Egyptian and otherwise. Clearly God was redirecting Israelites who were exposed to other gods. It's a good thing you chose to record twenty year olds who don't have as much experience.
Yes, the ones on the above video are indeed idiots. James White for example has an anti-Book of Abraham vid. In the year 2014 the You Tube video th-cam.com/video/3bm6Npd1Hjw/w-d-xo.html (Book of Abraham debunks anti-LDS lies) DEBUNKED ALL OF THAT ANTI-BOOK OF ABRAHAM INFO (books, websites, You Tube videos) though.
@@richardholmes7199 Why be abusive and call them idiots? They showed nothing but respect for the people involved in Mormonism.
Involved? You're there due to choosing to be there. My life has been so positively impacted by going back to church, went back to church after many years of inactivity on 06/15/97. I don't know why I would ever leave Mormonism.
I call them idiots as James White has an anti-Book of Abraham You Tube video, the You Tube video th-cam.com/video/3bm6Npd1Hjw/w-d-xo.html (Book of Abraham debunks anti-LDS lies) DEBUNKED ALL OF THAT ANTI-BOOK OF ABRAHAM INFO back in the year 2014, not even one anti-Mormon when coming to find out about this will admit to it though. The ones that have the videos just keep right on rollin those outdated anti-Book of Abraham videos, they're idiots.
@@Freethinkingtheist77 I'm not sure where you think the respect piece comes in. Especially in the other videos. I agree that they aren't idiots, but I will say that their arguments are often illogical and exaggerations of or blatant misrepresentations of scripture.
This always gets them, Mormons aspire to become gods of their own planet, the angel Moroni was the last of the living noble Mormons defeated by the evil tribes in trusted with the golden plates.... so if he was so noble how come he only became an angel... which even you admit angels are created beings. They can never answer this.
How have I never heard of a haboob?
I don’t know how to spell that
Some left CHRISTIANITY, THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER DAY SAINTS, due to rebellious & lack of knowledge.
What of John 10:34
Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
Psalm 82:6
I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
I'm new to your videos but do you ever engage with muslims most of your videos you go after mormons thanks
Kerry Morales , yes he does Kerry! Just utube his name and muslim debates/or interviews.
Kerry Morales , james white is very thorough on most all other religions. He is a greek and hebrew scholar. Knows his stuff. (But i dont agree on a few things ive heard him say- but thats on different subjects 😄)
@@elizabethking5523 Dr. White has also learned Arabic, and read the Qur'an and listened to ALL of the Hadith (in at least two versions, Sahih al Bukhari and Sahih Muslim)
@@jeffshirton7234 yes, I am aware he is very learned.😊
Does a person have to be scripture literate to be saved?
I don't believe so.
Why their studio look so scary?
I am a Mormon and i know what it is like to have a God.
Repent
@@CyprusHot I repent everyday when I take sacrament every week.
@@CyprusHot For?
Jonathan Gatto Being a Mormon.
@@jonathangatto As a Mormon, you worship a god that was once a man and came from another planet. That is idolatry.
You also deny Jesus Christ and say he is the brother of Lucifer. That is blasphemy.
You need to repent of your idolatry and blasphemy.
They changed their name to Saints Unscripted
Dang man I'm listening for 30 plus minutes and you won't even let Mormons talk or defend them selves. Selfish much?
Hmmmmm It seems that a common attacking point of Jeff Durbin is the LDS Theosis belief.
So Mormonism is Multilevel Marketing for gods
Numbers 23:19
Can my planet attack your planet? How far away would they be.....
Does each exalted man into "so called" godhood, have to continue to worship the god that was before him??? If so, what a drag.... It is infinite.. work work work... Thank you Jesus!!! You did it all!!!! You saved a wretched woman like me!!!! Please LDS members, The BIBLE only . God commands all to Repent! and believe the Gospel ( IN the BIBILE) His word ... Do not follow in blind faith ... That is not Biblical faith.
oh yeah its good to be Christian, after this life there is heaven to sing forever for all eternity.
We accept all the Word of God, including the Bible and modern revelation. Why should I turn my back on anything that God has revealed?