While at times a bit confusing, I've always liked the Crossfield design. For the same reasons i really like the NX-01 design. I can see the R&D folks trying out a triangular secondary hull as a carrier for small fighter or rescue craft and then realizing the test-bed abilities afforded to such a huge ship. And the refit is just gorgeous.
Personally i think Lorca destroyed the Glenn to keep Discovery unique and the technology under his control. Man was nothing if not calculated. He wouldn't have destroyed the Glenn if there was even a chance he would benefit from it being salvaged.
The USS Discovery, the most advanced federation ship and at the same time the oldest, unique in the entire fleet and so different from others. It carries the name best suited to explore our universe and others, our timeline and alternate timelines, it has gone where no one has ever gone before and continues to blaze a trail into the future. What a glorious ship 💙🖤
Back in the 1980s, a friend I knew at school who had a Startrek Board Game, in the starship manual there was TOS and refit starships of Starfleet, Klingon, and other races, there was a TOS vessel design called the Larson Class, but in the Starfleet vessel refit was a vessel class called the Bakerfield Class, which I always refered nick named as a Bakerloo which has a Almost a very similar design concept to the Discovery. Espically on the triangle design.
Does the Glen and Discovery really are normal Crossfield Classes or are they changed to work with the spore drive ? Whats with the version we saw in Strange New World ? Was build by Klingons but Enterprise recognised it as Crossfield Class
5:00. If I remember correctly, it 3189 when the Discovery ended up in the 32nd century. It was 3188 is when Michael Burnham ended up there, crash-landing the Red Angel suit. She went for over a year before finding them. For Discovery, it had only been a few days. Your year of 3180 is too soon, as it is already 3191.
There's a handful of reasons from what Im aware of, be it someone's sole reason or a combination. The design language/aesthetics of ships, Klingons, and uniforms. Heavy focus on action. The hostility of characters twords one another along with what many perceived as political agenda pushing. Burnham feeling like a mery sue/fan fiction OC.
@@Boxfortress meh focus on action is alright! So long as its a blend It can focus on action provided it has exploration stories! And besides how modern audiences are getting more into action Yeah maybe not star trek fans but who knows?
I just finished season four of Star Trek discovery and was just an aw absolutely amazing. Can’t wait for season five and four to go on DVD. I have collected them all.❤❤❤❤❤❤
Design that can do all and save the day better than your old, outdated relic! Give me a break. This design should have been nothing more than a rejected refit Connie design, and this whole show should have been better looked over by people who actually give a damn about bringing Star Trek fans together. Look, I'm a fan of Enterprise, so I understand enjoying something that a majority of others may dislike. More power to you, if you enjoy this stuff. That bring said, just as you have the opion it is good, or moderate at least, my opinion is that these writers and producers should have done a lot more homework, and a lot less self-inserting their crappy fanfiction storytelling.
The McGuffin class, just when you thought Kurtzman was done with lore shattering BS after the Rheman Warbird “Scimitar” was built in secret by escaped slaves under the Romulans nose in their home system no less. Ya that double shielded, perfectly cloaked, battle carrier had more firepower than Star base 1
If the nacelles were 10% shorter, the saucer was filled in and didn't spin around, and the hull was brighter, I would be a big fan of the Crossfield Class. I know what they were going for, the design conveying speed while standing still, but it feels like they pushed the idea ever-so-slightly too far.
@@RobKMusic it does actually make sense You see during Warp it reattached to use it However when not in warp? They are just giant nacelles that take up space Separating them allows better maneuverability
I actually rather liked that original discovery design. I assumed that was the original crossfield design while the Discovery and Glenn were modified versions of it.
Why has there never been dedicated active counter measures to shoot down incoming torpedoes and other arsenal fired upon any ship in any ST series...friend or foe.
Ever seen Star Trek 2009? Uss Kelvin definitely has those defensive capabilities against the Narada and it's torpedo missiles but due to massive technological gaps was massively overwhelmed
Well, the spore drive still needs an operator which is impossible to obtain in mass scale due to the regulations and prohibitions for eugenic experiments in the federation and because of the destruction of Kwejian due to the DMA which resulted in the elimination of almost all empaths. That would explain why the Pathway Drive is a better solution although idk what it is but could be related to a kind of warp.
@@Ultra_YT_ In the season 3 finale, it was also mentioned that the DNA stamets has would be quite hard to re-obtain, considering the tardigrade is extinct and the DNA fused with stamets DNA. So even if said experiments are still banned (which I doubt) it would not be that easy. As for the pathway drive, it seems to somehow just be an enhanced warp drive considering its mentioned that in the opening of season 5, they could have pulled a ship out of warp if they had a pathway drive, implying that the drive at the very least operates in a simular capacity to the standard warp drive, but with more speed/power/force/etc.
Im not a fan of discoverys later seasons. Pike getting involved was good and season 3 was ok but when it became 35 mins of therepy sessions with some sci fi it got boring fast. But the ships? I liked the ships of season 1 and 2. Brought that period of trek upto date for us model collectors. I dont buy detached sections though. Because how many times do ships lose power completely. You dont want your nacelle floating off into space do you.
You know that sand can't hide you forever *SLASH* eventually you'll have to breathe And then? You'll be forced to see it You cannot change the past but you can make the present your own Learn from discovery but make discovery follow YOUR rules Not the other way around
Discovery makes me sad because there was so much stuff that could have been interesting in it but it felt like I was watching a bad marvel show instead.
Apart from the spore drive and the Sora entity, the 32nd century Discovery isn't all that modern. And the crossfield class of the 23rd century, apart from the spurs, nothing special at the end of the day.
Cant we just pretend the ship never existed i mean its bad enough we had to deal with a mushroom drive then they went one furrher and had detached nacelles! Neither things make sense!
I want to enjoy discovery so much but it's so hard to ignore the weird facial expressions and tone inflictions. Idk what the cast is doing, if it's bad directing, or if they're trying to take some weird cues with how they're not your standard crew. It's well enough a show to fill time until they release SNW and LD seasons
That’s why u have available the Original Series available as well, so u can enjoy the 1900 prehistoric show that accommodates better with u. Remember what Gen said? Infinite diversity in infinite combinations, it’s okay if u don’t like it ;)
@@qdllc I gave up on it after they "reimagined" the Klingons just plain incorrectly. This series ranks below the Kelvin Timeline for pure garbage to me.
It is not Star Trek, except for the shape of some ships, there is no hope for the future, no fun in the people, it's all dark and gloom, and they changed everything in the time line for no reason.
It's kinda hilarious that to get a shot of it without it spinning, rolling, exploding, or otherwise shaking the camera, you needed to use game or user footage. Also representative of everything wrong with that show.
i am not a fan of the design and the spore drive that make no sense to me and i dont like the spinning when it use the spore drive very much would like to see it from the inside
🖖😎👍Discovery is truly not Canon in any way shape or form whatsoever it's in its own different Startrek universe like that of the J.J. Kelvin Universe!; And the ships are way too advanced in their outer design and interior design for the TOS Era they look more like they belong in the late 23rd century or the early 24th century!🤨.
I remember when I first saw Discovery some years ago when they revealed and I was not a fan. As I watched the series the design grew on me and I really started to like the design of the ship itself. The 32nd century refit is a work of art as far as I'm concerned. I think it looks better then most of the other 32nd century ships, most like due to the fact that it has the old Starfleet silhouette. Plus it's not just white. New Starfleet has waaaay too much white for my liking.
Star Trek ships are bigger on the inside. Especially for their hangers with fleets of shuttles. Its classified tech of course, that's why Voyager is shown to only about 4.
Why are the pre Klingon war, pre SNW, TOS Ships so much sleeker and sexier than the Duotronic system based Ships that follow? Really doesn't make a lot of sense. The Shenzhou was a much more attractive and modern looking design than say Farragut with its clunky outy dish.
So the people who slagged TNG because it wasnt TOS, people who hated on DS9 because it wasnt on a ship, people who hated voyager because it wasnt tng, people who hated Enterprise because they phallically worshipped lore and feared somehow that the show would somehow invalidate some weird ownership they felt towards their perception of Star Trek....i thought all of them were idiots and would either die off or utterly forget how much they hated any new Star Trek. Same thing with BSG and Doctor Who Thats how i feel about the current batch of idiotic negative discourse. All stupid hipsters..who are irrelevant in the longer history of the franchise.
People are still allowed to have an opinion, negative or otherwise. There's plenty of folks who were quite happy with all the previous ST shows, even the other current shows but they just don't like Discovery. Personally I fall in to that category. I enjoyed every series of 'old Trek', I like Strange New Worlds, I like Lower Decks, wasn't overly impressed by the first season of Picard but got further enjoyment from the second season and the third Season was pretty good. Discovery however I just cannot for the life me get along with. I cannot stand it, I hate the characters, I dislike the overarching story, I dislike just about everything to do with it and god knows I have tried to watch it, I audibly groan and cringe multiple times with every episode. It has gotten somewhat better with further seasons but there is just something about it, I don't even know what it is I just really really dislike it. Sorry.
Its Mycelium, not all mycelium is mushrooms But yeah its basically that way! However i still like the tech I do know downsides though Most dimensions dont have a network of mycelium for using it Thats why my DASHER drive makes its own network temporarily to increase speed
While at times a bit confusing, I've always liked the Crossfield design. For the same reasons i really like the NX-01 design. I can see the R&D folks trying out a triangular secondary hull as a carrier for small fighter or rescue craft and then realizing the test-bed abilities afforded to such a huge ship. And the refit is just gorgeous.
Personally i think Lorca destroyed the Glenn to keep Discovery unique and the technology under his control. Man was nothing if not calculated.
He wouldn't have destroyed the Glenn if there was even a chance he would benefit from it being salvaged.
The USS Discovery, the most advanced federation ship and at the same time the oldest, unique in the entire fleet and so different from others. It carries the name best suited to explore our universe and others, our timeline and alternate timelines, it has gone where no one has ever gone before and continues to blaze a trail into the future. What a glorious ship 💙🖤
I love the Discovery, mostly the A, but the Sovereign and Constitution III (SNW Con equally) are my top Most favorites
Back in the 1980s, a friend I knew at school who had a Startrek Board Game, in the starship manual there was TOS and refit starships of Starfleet, Klingon, and other races, there was a TOS vessel design called the Larson Class, but in the Starfleet vessel refit was a vessel class called the Bakerfield Class, which I always refered nick named as a Bakerloo which has a Almost a very similar design concept to the Discovery. Espically on the triangle design.
Does the Glen and Discovery really are normal Crossfield Classes or are they changed to work with the spore drive ? Whats with the version we saw in Strange New World ? Was build by Klingons but Enterprise recognised it as Crossfield Class
5:00. If I remember correctly, it 3189 when the Discovery ended up in the 32nd century. It was 3188 is when Michael Burnham ended up there, crash-landing the Red Angel suit. She went for over a year before finding them. For Discovery, it had only been a few days. Your year of 3180 is too soon, as it is already 3191.
The discovery refit is my second favorite star ship in all of star trek. Maybe even number 1 honestly, I adore it.
Shame they forgot about the Crossfield style ships in Star Trek 4 in space dock.
They aren't properly Crossfield. Kitbashes aren't part of the original lineage. Likely those ships will be covered for SNW segments.
One of the best ships and one of the best shows and ive seen them all!!!
I think this is honestly my favourite st series
There's a handful of reasons from what Im aware of, be it someone's sole reason or a combination.
The design language/aesthetics of ships, Klingons, and uniforms.
Heavy focus on action.
The hostility of characters twords one another along with what many perceived as political agenda pushing.
Burnham feeling like a mery sue/fan fiction OC.
@@Boxfortress meh focus on action is alright!
So long as its a blend
It can focus on action provided it has exploration stories!
And besides how modern audiences are getting more into action
Yeah maybe not star trek fans but who knows?
I like the bridge windows...........
To me that ship looked suspiciously Klingon in design. Specifically it reminds me of the D7 cruiser. I think the TV series even addressed the issue🙂
The ship pre dates the D7.
Also it's an upgraded design from the original design that was designed for Startrek Phase 2 that originally had more of the TOS style of nacelles!.
I just finished season four of Star Trek discovery and was just an aw absolutely amazing. Can’t wait for season five and four to go on DVD. I have collected them all.❤❤❤❤❤❤
I love seeing the shots of USS Discovery. People forget how hard they hit it out of the park each time with ship shots.
Design that can do all and save the day better than your old, outdated relic!
Give me a break. This design should have been nothing more than a rejected refit Connie design, and this whole show should have been better looked over by people who actually give a damn about bringing Star Trek fans together.
Look, I'm a fan of Enterprise, so I understand enjoying something that a majority of others may dislike. More power to you, if you enjoy this stuff.
That bring said, just as you have the opion it is good, or moderate at least, my opinion is that these writers and producers should have done a lot more homework, and a lot less self-inserting their crappy fanfiction storytelling.
I want to see the saucer section separation maneuver..
Did they "adquire Borg tech"? resistance is futile! lol
Especially the creature, they utilized an oversized giant waterbear/tartigrade 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
It just dawned on me that the ships silouhette is basically the IDIC symbol
the saucer section looks to small for the size of the nacelles, to me it looks weird.
The McGuffin class, just when you thought Kurtzman was done with lore shattering BS after the Rheman Warbird “Scimitar” was built in secret by escaped slaves under the Romulans nose in their home system no less. Ya that double shielded, perfectly cloaked, battle carrier had more firepower than Star base 1
Yes. It's a weird kind of beautiful.
If the nacelles were 10% shorter, the saucer was filled in and didn't spin around, and the hull was brighter, I would be a big fan of the Crossfield Class. I know what they were going for, the design conveying speed while standing still, but it feels like they pushed the idea ever-so-slightly too far.
I love the show, but not crazy about the look of the ship. Which is really weird because the look of the ship is vital to the show.
love discovery seen early version way back in starlog magizine.
How is the nacelles connected to the ship it looks like they are separate with a gap
They are detached… because why not? It makes ZERO functional sense but it looks "kewl" and that's where we are in 2024.
@@RobKMusic it does actually make sense
You see during Warp it reattached to use it
However when not in warp? They are just giant nacelles that take up space
Separating them allows better maneuverability
I actually rather liked that original discovery design. I assumed that was the original crossfield design while the Discovery and Glenn were modified versions of it.
Cheers jack
The spore drive the stupidest idea ever. The basic design is okay but the concept of a sporedrive is just ridiculous
Why has there never been dedicated active counter measures to shoot down incoming torpedoes and other arsenal fired upon any ship in any ST series...friend or foe.
Ever seen Star Trek 2009? Uss Kelvin definitely has those defensive capabilities against the Narada and it's torpedo missiles but due to massive technological gaps was massively overwhelmed
Uss Kelvin vs romulan Narada from Kelvin timline star trek 2009 opening sequence
@@joemahaney8023 One instance in a 2000 plus year span (TOS to Discovery) with hundreds of species......poor writing.
@krekre001 exactly 💯 just natively improved cgi capabilities then boom 💥 literally
apparently not. they're abandoning the tech on discovery for the new thing being tested on the latest voyager.
Well, the spore drive still needs an operator which is impossible to obtain in mass scale due to the regulations and prohibitions for eugenic experiments in the federation and because of the destruction of Kwejian due to the DMA which resulted in the elimination of almost all empaths. That would explain why the Pathway Drive is a better solution although idk what it is but could be related to a kind of warp.
@@Ultra_YT_ In the season 3 finale, it was also mentioned that the DNA stamets has would be quite hard to re-obtain, considering the tardigrade is extinct and the DNA fused with stamets DNA. So even if said experiments are still banned (which I doubt) it would not be that easy. As for the pathway drive, it seems to somehow just be an enhanced warp drive considering its mentioned that in the opening of season 5, they could have pulled a ship out of warp if they had a pathway drive, implying that the drive at the very least operates in a simular capacity to the standard warp drive, but with more speed/power/force/etc.
I really struggle to watch this series, I often fast forward it...
Adventures of the USS Melodrama
I have to rewind as I’m usually finding other things better to do.
I just fall asleep
It looks like a giant space pizza cutter
The USS POWEROFMATH .....
Why is everyone hatting on discovery for, I've lived this show from the start, embrace the new future people😅
An eye sore that made my retinas bleed
Im not a fan of discoverys later seasons. Pike getting involved was good and season 3 was ok but when it became 35 mins of therepy sessions with some sci fi it got boring fast.
But the ships? I liked the ships of season 1 and 2. Brought that period of trek upto date for us model collectors. I dont buy detached sections though. Because how many times do ships lose power completely. You dont want your nacelle floating off into space do you.
When it comes to Star Trek Discovery i pretend im an ostrich with my head in the sand pretending it doesnt exist
You know that sand can't hide you forever
*SLASH* eventually you'll have to breathe
And then? You'll be forced to see it
You cannot change the past but you can make the present your own
Learn from discovery but make discovery follow YOUR rules
Not the other way around
@@seantaggart7382 there's always gouging out my eyeballs and sticking sharpened pencils into my ears
Design is 'unique'. Nope. It's rubbish. Proportions are wrong. Ugly. Pointless.
Discovery makes me sad because there was so much stuff that could have been interesting in it but it felt like I was watching a bad marvel show instead.
Apart from the spore drive and the Sora entity, the 32nd century Discovery isn't all that modern. And the crossfield class of the 23rd century, apart from the spurs, nothing special at the end of the day.
Cant we just pretend the ship never existed i mean its bad enough we had to deal with a mushroom drive then they went one furrher and had detached nacelles! Neither things make sense!
I want to enjoy discovery so much but it's so hard to ignore the weird facial expressions and tone inflictions. Idk what the cast is doing, if it's bad directing, or if they're trying to take some weird cues with how they're not your standard crew. It's well enough a show to fill time until they release SNW and LD seasons
Terrible ship, awful series. No to both.
can't tell if serious or trolling
@@Amathaeon 100% serious. Discovery is dead to me entirely.
That’s why u have available the Original Series available as well, so u can enjoy the 1900 prehistoric show that accommodates better with u. Remember what Gen said? Infinite diversity in infinite combinations, it’s okay if u don’t like it ;)
Discovery is an abomination to everything Trek…and that’s before they did the Charlie and the Chocolate Factory turbo lift scene.
@@qdllc I gave up on it after they "reimagined" the Klingons just plain incorrectly. This series ranks below the Kelvin Timeline for pure garbage to me.
not only did they have a Mary Sue as the main character in this series...they made the ship a Mary Sue as well.
I don't get the hate the Discovery gets from fans.
And fans have no clue what you see in it 🤦🤷🏻♂️🙈
The fans have many good points but people in general are worse.
@@alejandronopasanada5302 thankfully the current skidmark is coming to an end. It’s gonna take a while to get the stain out though 🖖
It is not Star Trek, except for the shape of some ships, there is no hope for the future, no fun in the people, it's all dark and gloom, and they changed everything in the time line for no reason.
@@Toobeegort well said. Shields up! Discovery fans set to deny! 🖖
It's kinda hilarious that to get a shot of it without it spinning, rolling, exploding, or otherwise shaking the camera, you needed to use game or user footage. Also representative of everything wrong with that show.
We need enterprise D I'm working on it
Mary Sue is Mary Sue
i am not a fan of the design and the spore drive that make no sense to me and i dont like the spinning when it use the spore drive very much would like to see it from the inside
32 century star fleet design is one of the ugliest ship design i ever seen in all of SF.... truly ugly and repulsive... just like star trek discovery.
Crossfield class = a warp capable pizza cutter
🖖😎👍Discovery is truly not Canon in any way shape or form whatsoever it's in its own different Startrek universe like that of the J.J. Kelvin Universe!; And the ships are way too advanced in their outer design and interior design for the TOS Era they look more like they belong in the late 23rd century or the early 24th century!🤨.
I remember when I first saw Discovery some years ago when they revealed and I was not a fan. As I watched the series the design grew on me and I really started to like the design of the ship itself. The 32nd century refit is a work of art as far as I'm concerned. I think it looks better then most of the other 32nd century ships, most like due to the fact that it has the old Starfleet silhouette. Plus it's not just white. New Starfleet has waaaay too much white for my liking.
ohh and dont forget the massive turbo lift room thing who was clearly way to big to fit inside the ship
Star Trek ships are bigger on the inside. Especially for their hangers with fleets of shuttles. Its classified tech of course, that's why Voyager is shown to only about 4.
Perhaps The fact is the turbolift is actually massive But the ship Is also pretty big too
Its not galaxy class sized but its pretty big
UGH! "well-loved" by whom?
Why are the pre Klingon war, pre SNW, TOS Ships so much sleeker and sexier than the Duotronic system based Ships that follow? Really doesn't make a lot of sense. The Shenzhou was a much more attractive and modern looking design than say Farragut with its clunky outy dish.
Its crazy how she was named a science vessil but it hella durable than most star ships....still dont get why rocks are always flying in a fire fight
Though this design could have been the Enterprise itself!
Pfft. Rejected TOS concept design.
So no comment on how it looks like the Vulcan IDIC with nacelles?
ofc it is, girl boss is the captain space jesus.
Borg are no more in the 32nd century
no, they just put lip stick on a pig.
So the people who slagged TNG because it wasnt TOS, people who hated on DS9 because it wasnt on a ship, people who hated voyager because it wasnt tng, people who hated Enterprise because they phallically worshipped lore and feared somehow that the show would somehow invalidate some weird ownership they felt towards their perception of Star Trek....i thought all of them were idiots and would either die off or utterly forget how much they hated any new Star Trek. Same thing with BSG and Doctor Who
Thats how i feel about the current batch of idiotic negative discourse. All stupid hipsters..who are irrelevant in the longer history of the franchise.
dr who really has been on a downward spiral for a few years. hopefully star trek doesn't follow it.
People are still allowed to have an opinion, negative or otherwise. There's plenty of folks who were quite happy with all the previous ST shows, even the other current shows but they just don't like Discovery.
Personally I fall in to that category. I enjoyed every series of 'old Trek', I like Strange New Worlds, I like Lower Decks, wasn't overly impressed by the first season of Picard but got further enjoyment from the second season and the third Season was pretty good.
Discovery however I just cannot for the life me get along with. I cannot stand it, I hate the characters, I dislike the overarching story, I dislike just about everything to do with it and god knows I have tried to watch it, I audibly groan and cringe multiple times with every episode. It has gotten somewhat better with further seasons but there is just something about it, I don't even know what it is I just really really dislike it. Sorry.
“I don’t like people who have different opinion than the one I was handed. Those people idiotic! No need to listen” - you
People have opinions - get over it
The fact that the fastest drive in Star Trek is powered by mushrooms (of all things) is bizarre. Cool, but bizarre.
Its Mycelium, not all mycelium is mushrooms
But yeah its basically that way!
However i still like the tech
I do know downsides though
Most dimensions dont have a network of mycelium for using it
Thats why my DASHER drive makes its own network temporarily to increase speed
Teleporting super ship that has basically everything
Star Trek ended with Voayager, everything after was a nightmare
Not cannon,