This is an ownership and management problem. Ryan Poles literally scoffed at hiring Harbaugh -- now he is plussing up the Chargers. And unless Ben Johnson is bringing the Lions O-Line with him I am not sure he is the answer either.
@@seandouglas6769seriously. You had a chance to bring in Harbaugh and Harbaugh would have wanted the job too, and you didn’t take it? Sheesh. No wonder the bears are a garbage team every year
Interestingly he actually STILL has one more scapegoat left: the offensive line coach. He's the last man standing from Eberflus' original coaching staff he brought with him when he took the job with the Bears.
Are you serious? I’d like to see those other qb’s operate without an OL and given expert level training as a rookie. This crap goes way deeper than you think.
@@ChosenMJ that’s true but he’s not saying those guys would be significantly better than Caleb if they were on the Bears, he’s just saying the fact those guys are all looking so good is making what’s going on in Chicago look even worse than it would on its own. Which is also true
@ no one was saying how great the o lines were coming into the season, good QB play tends to change that. Maye has a worse line than Chicago, also the Bears lead the league in no read passes. Meaning throw the ball to the first and only read.
@ChosenMJ are YOU serious? Mayes OL is non existent and his playmakers wouldn’t even be on the field for most teams. Caleb being sacked after holding the ball for 5 seconds isn’t the fault of the OL. Maye would be killing it if he had Caleb’s weapons and OL.
Nothing will change with this franchise until the McCaskey family is out of the way. The Jets are going through the same thing. The Commanders went through it as well.
Nonsense. Chargers owners are horrible yet the team is doing great. Owners don’t need to change for a team success. Panthers have a new owner who is horrible.
@@mr.x817 I wouldn’t say nonsense; owners need to put good people in place and get out of the way ,except when asked for support. Chargers doing well so far this season, but had to make changes, also haven’t even appeared in aSuper Bowl in a long time. Things didn’t change in Detroit until they ownership got good football people in place, and let them do their thing without any strings, unlike what seems to be the case with the Bears. The ownership in Chicago keeps getting it wrong (from fans perspective of having a competitive team that’s in the championship hunt regularly)and have for quite some time.
Different GM's, coaches, players, systems, draft picks, free agents. Same problems. Perhaps the problem lies elsewhere? Perhaps we need a new Chairman? George McCaskey's 12 years at the helm: 3 GM's, 4 HC's, 10 OC's, 0 Playoff wins. You'd think by now someone would have figured something out. In addition as far as the team being 4-2 leaving London? Each of those 4 wins came against teams that only had 1 win by that time of the season.
I have said this again & again. Totally agree. Duh Bears is a miserable & pathetic organization & will remain so as long as ANY McCaskey has anything to do with football operations.
I see this going down like in Tennessee when they hired Vrabel and LaFlur. Matt wanted a HC but they gave it to Vrabel, so he took a year as OC and moved onto Green Bay. I see Cliff Kingsbury who was Caleb's coach NOT getting the job for some reason wink wink in chicago, he took the job in Washington and is looking good. Since the bears do not fire coaches during the season they will wait till after, Eberflus will be gone and Cliff will be brought in. you saw it here first.
He does not want to be a HC and he said this many times. He did not sigh with the Raiders because he wanted 3 years. We gave it to him. We will make him the highest paid OC. He is not going anywhere. Sorry are wrong.
Most of the good OCs in the league know that its only better to leave if you think you have 0 chnace of winning in the playoffs. If the Commanders win a game or two in January he is 100% trying to get a ring there.
There lies the problem. I'm horrified this team is going to somehow scrape together 4 more wins and sneak into the playoffs. Any excuse George gets to not fire his guy in the middle of a contract, he's going to jump at. One of the underrated most cheap unserious ownership groups in the league. Why God must I be born a Bears fan?!?
J Fields career passing yards per game is 175. Caleb is already ahead of him with 198 yards as a rookie. Bears just need a coaching staff, a real scheme, and 5 new offensive lineman that can start in the NFL.
I know why they let Kingsbury out the building...If they flopped (which they have) they could have fired the head coach and had Kingsbury in the building to take on the job. Letting him 'out the building' was self preservation on the head coach part.
I totally believe this because Flus has shown multiple times that he will shed accountability when he can. It happened last year multiple times and now he did it again with Waldron. HE PICKED WALDRON TO BE THE OC! He should be held accountable for that. Not to mention that this is now the second OC firing he has done. Getsy lasted 9 games on the Raiders. Getsy was with Chicago for 2 SEASONS. Funny thing is, if Kingsbury had this offense humming, Flus’s job would be locked and probably get an extension
@@StewMain6 the other thing I didn’t realize is that Ryan Poles, Ebherflus, Shane Waldron and Luke Getsy are ALL clients of former mediocre Bear D-lineman (now agent) Trace Armstrong…. So despite having interviews with Kingsbury ( who sounded like he knew he wasn’t getting the job, that the Bears weren’t interested in him) Liam Cohen ( doing well now as OC in Tampa) then the guy (forgetting the name , but he’s OC in Atlanta) but they picked Waldron;. was the Bears coaching search about having the best offensive mind to guide your generational franchise Qb or was it about something else? Optics appear that they care more for hooking up certain agents with connections , over what they put on the field. Dysfunctional from a fans perspective , also disloyal to the fan base. Just because we live in Chicago doesn’t mean we have to resign ourselves to watch hot garbage. I just want to see good football, and it’s not important to Chicago Bears ownership nor top management. Just about 5 hr drive away, there’s a family run team that went out, got good football people to run the team, and got out of the way; the operation there seems to be simply about football. Nice to see, and more power to them!
Exactly, this whole thing is Flus and Poles. I still like Poles and hes done a good job enough job. But not firing Flus was the biggest mistake. Flus is the one preaching conservative QB play and play calls. I don't think Waldron is great but im sure he has his hands tied somewhere. Flus plays to not lose and it sucks
At some point we gotta stop with the "Generational Talent" label, thats what got us into this mess in the first place. Until further notice he's just a rookie QB please stop calling him a "Generational Talent".....
Rich Eisen is my favorite sports personality. I've been enjoying Rich's content since he was on NFL Network (back when I still lived with my dad). Rich and Deion Sanders are responsible for helping me learn how nuanced and complex football really is...before I just checked the scores of the Bears games. Since those times (and Deion's top 10 plays) I've been a huge football fan. Just happens to suck that I'm a Bears fan lmao.
Maybe not helping ,but sitting back watching all this, maybe Brown will simplify the offense. Sometimes seems like these guys lose the forest in the trees; rather than looking at what the players are good at, building on it, they just stick to their own system, Get too fancy. Caleb looks overloaded and mechanical …same place Fields was holding the ball, either guys aren’t open or he’s afraid to let it loose…. Coaching DOES matter; it only took a few weeks to break a prospect many here and in the media thought was much better than Fields and have it looking like the same thing , even with more weapons. What other constant is there other than meatball coaching?
It wasn’t just the screw up vs Commanders; players earlier this season went to the OC to say they needed to be coached harder, held accountable. Counting the Washington loss , that makes four historic collapses in the final minutes of games where the Bears had a roughly 96% chance to win( one of the games I think it was 98% win probability). This HC is a real trailblazer; no one has ever blown it this bad, this many times. Coaching matters , and the players who were here last season already saw a coach that didn’t put them in the best position to win (repeatedly) . You can only BS people with coach speak for certain amount of time. Once the players lose faith, then it snowballs to the negative. Maybe Brown gives them a shot in the arm , but this franchise is dysfunctional from the top down…
It was purely anecdotal. Bears have the rare talent of systematically screwing up anything they touch. Or attract major screw-up X factors (Eberfluss, CW...).
Honestly sucks to watch. What once made this team great in George Halas, now that family is an anchor around the teams neck. Nothing will change until that changes, and that will never change, so nothing will ever change.
One huge problem with this is that the media is absolutely freaking out especially Chicago media. The team is 4-5. Thats not that bad. Your team isnt ready to be that great with a rook. Slow down and let things play out. The media will get in the head of this QB and really aid in ruining him. Slow down
Caleb played awful overall in the Washington game. I don't know that I've ever seen anyone this overhyped in my life. This is exactly what most of us said would happen. He holds the ball WAY too long for this league, and his attitude is......just not what you want to see in a leader. He can grow out of it, but for the money, he better do it quickly.
Now, I’m not necessarily defending the guy, but the panthers legit had nothing to work with on offense last season. I don’t think the best OC imaginable could draw up plays to make that depth chart effective. Even if he can’t do anything with the Panthers, that’s a bad barometer to measure an OC by lol
@ Fair enough. I guess my point was that he didn’t put Bryce Young in a position to be successful and now we’re giving him another number one overall qb to potentially mess up
Eberflus seems like a nice guy. What's that old cliche about Nice Guys? Bears have had way too many of them. Just during George McCaskey's time in the Big Chair. 5 head coaches. 10 offensive coordinators.
Brown did not call plays for 2/3 of the season in Carolina, Frank Reich did. Brown called the last 6 games of the Panther's season after managment had already decided to tank. Either way, Brown knows why Waldron got fired and so I doubt he'll make the same mistakes. I hope to see more diverse routes with plenty more quick short routes across the middle. Something that Waldron refused to do.
Eberflus needs to be held accountable. Firing Waldron isn’t going to improve anything in fact it will probably get worse. This is his 2nd OC and all we can do is tread water the rest of the year now with no OC. Cut the head off and hire a new staff next year. An offensive coach with a proven track record with rookie QB’s would be phenomenal.
To bad can't keep Eberflus as DC and hire a guy like Coach/OC and Great O Line Coach like Bill Callahan . Also trade off Crybaby for a Great O Lineman and Fire Poles and bring in John Dorsey from Detroit who is running things from behind the scenes in Detroit .
It's curious that the Bears are in a win now mode when they basically handed the reigns to a rookie QB. Of course the rookie QB is going to struggle more often than not (Stroud and Daniels). With all the signings of defensive and skill position guys, it would have been better to get a veteran QB and let Caleb learn. I guess it's not the way to do things these days when everyone wants things Amazon next-day. So just keep firing coaches and GMs and kill rookie QBs' development.
100% correct. No idea why everyone expected the bears to suddenly compete for a Super Bowl this year. Their expectations were WAY too high. And now they’re trying to burn everything down halfway into the season as a result. This disastrous season will hurt the bears for years to come. They should have just been putting in the work, head down, and working towards making their team better for the next few seasons while allowing Caleb to grow and learn how to be a pro WB.
It's not the point of win now mode it's the appearance of how bad they look after adding all the pieces. If it looked like Caleb was getting better each week and let's say they end the season at like 9-8 or an even 500 record that would be okay. They're not trying to win the superbowl they just want to look better than how they are considering Caleb was touted as a generational talent
@@nickh2935 I don't know if it'll hurt years to come. But they need to identify a brilliant or competent offensive mind that stays with Caleb for years to come. The Bears are one of those franchises that seem stuck in time with their offense.
It’s so unrealistic to think we’re going to flip a switch against a formidable Green Bay defense. Personally think Eberflus needs to go after this week
Don't get me wrong, I've been rooting for Waldon since he's a local guy, but it surprised me when Chicago hired him. He was...pretty bad in Seattle. Bears gonna bear I guess...
If this season is a wash, Flus and the staff is gone. Poles needs to hire a serious coach who is actually capable of teaching Williams how to play the position and allow him to grow.
When the QB takes 8 seconds to make a throw, they don't last long in the NFL. That also makes any o-line look bad. No wonder the Bears players want a QB change.
I never understand an in season firing of the OC. you then use as an interim guy from your own system, and then really only be running the same plays. so how is this going to improve?
Rich Eisen explained it already. A coach might be on the hotseat so looking for a scapegoat. Also the next guy might actually be an improvement, like how it worked for the Bills last year. Doesn't always work but it makes sense if you're a coach on the hot seat.
OCs get fired because they won’t change their stale playcalling. Anybody that steps in immediately feels the pressure to take risks cause they might be next
@@JM-md4ri if im Brown im sticking a middle finger in flus face and saying we arent playing conservative football no more. Let Caleb loose and learn from his mistakes.
It's not. The Bears have too many clowns on the field and Caleb is not very good and never will be. That's the problem and there are no quick solutions.
Wait wait wait. Brown was the OC with Seattle for last part of the season, not the entirety of the season. He was a places holder when they fired the head coach. Check the facts
Y'all are forgetting that Kingsbury struggled to win with Kyler Murray whose another number one overall draft pick. Whose to say Kingsbury will make anything any better. Hes available as a head coach for a reason. If he was so successful then he wouldnt be available. Idk maybe hes learned some experience with a second shot. But as a head coach he struggled. Yes he's doing great as an OC but idk if he's the one for HC
The new offensive-coordinator is the big winner in all this cuz the Bears have real talent on that side of the ball. And he connects with Caleb or just makes him look good he'll be able to stay employed in the NFL for the next decade. And I don't want to judge anyone off of their time in Carolina but that is all we got so lets see what he can do &he should let it rip &allow Caleb to run or force him to run cuz maybe the guy that got fired asked Caleb to run &he just didn't who knows
Let's just point out that this now the SECOND offensive coordinator to be fired. What does this say about Eberflus' ability to judge talent and success?
Not Eberflus its Fields and Crybaby that is the problem ! Both got their OC fired by their poor play ! Yet the QB who would have save either of the OC Jobs sits on the bench . Makes No Sense ! Crybaby didn';t earn the starting just given it and You see the results !
Y'all need to chill on Kliffy K being paired with Caleb Williams. Don't forget that Williams dropped off significantly during his last year in college with Kingsbury around.
The question of “Are the Bears management making the right decisions?” has long been answered. It’s No, and it will continue to be No so long as George is in charge.
If Eberflus took responsibility for the L against Washington and owned the fact that they blew the game due to bad defensive play calls and coaching in the last seconds of the game….the bears would probably have moved on. But now he’s lost the respect of his own team and it’s shown up in their play the following weeks
Not trying to fit the ball into tight windows is not on CW... It's on eberflus who tried to coach that out of Justin Fields and now trying also to coach it out of CW who instills the fear of God into the QB for any type of interception.. Eberflus coaching philosophy is ultra conservative and it permeates the offense also..
I believe Caleb was 1 n 4 versus top 20 teams last year. He holds onto the ball way too long, even at USC he did. Jayden played at LSU, correct LSU, SEC. Pretty good conference isn’t it. 🤔
Matt is a freaking reality star. Posing as a coach is his real job. Caleb looked like he gave up. They gonna trade DJ Moore now? Lmao?! How long before the McCheapskeys fire Ryan Poles and Eberfluse? How about Trace Armstrong? Is he still running 💩, from behind the scenes? Nothing to work out. All this chaos is by design. They are just raking fans over the coals. Chicago and its professional players deserve better.
No coach can win with the Chicago Bears. The media will pick apart every little error made to a point where the coaches need to be fired. Waldron came out with screen passes and the media told him that screen passes were unacceptable because the last OC used them. His mistake was he listened to them. Then the media said that the Bears have to run first. Every first down after that was a run. You cannot let the peanut gallery have any say in how the team is run. The Bears need to stop letting the media have any power at all. They lost a game because of one play. The media started this negative campaign against the Bears saying that they needed accountability, when actually they were looking for public humiliation for click-bait. The team is damaged one again and the media has always been a huge part of this. It does not happen to most other teams.
I think fans are starting to realise the impact terrible ownership has. Look at what the panthers, cowboys, bears, saints and jets have in common. Incompetent leadership
I feel like Rich is making excuses for C. Williams. Dude came in the best possible scenario for any rookie and so far have not live up the hype. Just look at what J. Daniels is doing and if you put Drake May in that Chicago offense, the outcome would have been different. Stop blaming the coordinator…
ur football knowledge is too low to understand how regardless of talent level, you need to be put in a position to succeed by the coordinator. Its a combination of the failures of the oline construction and scheme. Has cw18 looked inaccurate? Ya. But i think its hilarious to look at the offense on paper, and somehow blame a rookie qb 8 games in for it🤣
@@bandlitt Maye has an equally awful OL and his sack rate is 8.54%....Caleb's is 11.45%!. And his skill players are definitely worse than Williams are. Odunze and DJ Moore are leagues better than Demario Douglas or Ja'lynn Polk lol.
The Jets did what the Bears should have done, and the Bears did what the Jets should have done. The Bears and Jets might actually be run by the same people.
Team quit on Fluke. Not because of the Hail Mary, but fact Tyrique was benched for his action while Fluje just denied all responsibility for his stupidity. Team know he is a loser in over his head and they will not play for this guy.
If the Bears do not beat Green Bay then they are going to lose the fans that have been around for the last 40+ years dealing with this constant disappointment.
That won’t fix much. This organization has never learned on how to build or develop around a QB. Even if ones that fell in their lap they messed up! From having piss poor offensive line; to receivers not separating from their defenders and the running game being nonexistent! This is what the bears and bad organizations have been cursed with but they can’t figure it out like getting out of a maze! Continuously lost!!!
As a bears fan I think they took the wrong quarterback. I think Williams is a major bust and it's time to move on. We could just keep him in there and maybe get the third or fourth pick next year and grab another quarterback. But for now let's get his backup in there. Go bears
To early. You have to let the kid play more. I will say that they should have made him earn the job tho. They kind of seemed to just give it to him. Not sure if he truly earned it. Maybe he did but I feel that they could have taken the Minnesota approach and brought a veteran in or kept fields
This is an ownership and management problem. Ryan Poles literally scoffed at hiring Harbaugh -- now he is plussing up the Chargers. And unless Ben Johnson is bringing the Lions O-Line with him I am not sure he is the answer either.
He scoffed at hiring harbaugh? Fireable offense imo
Caleb is just playing really bad imo.
@@seandouglas6769seriously. You had a chance to bring in Harbaugh and Harbaugh would have wanted the job too, and you didn’t take it? Sheesh. No wonder the bears are a garbage team every year
Ownership and management have nothing to do with this particular problem, pal
Kevin Warren and Jim Harbaugh do not get along. That's one of the reasons the Bears didn't look at Harbaugh
Waldron is Eberflus’s last scapegoat
Amazing how a guy can survive firing a scape goat in back to back seasons
Interestingly he actually STILL has one more scapegoat left: the offensive line coach. He's the last man standing from Eberflus' original coaching staff he brought with him when he took the job with the Bears.
Forget the WiFi being off; the Bears straight up had an EMP go off on them
and they all had pacemakers installed..
😂
Poor Caleb doesn't feel love coming from his team mates anymore. Maybe he should be a good boy and pick up their trash in the locker room?
damn EMP 😂
Rich is the king of defending mediocre "great guy" coaches
2x COY Stefunsky 😂
it's not just losing, it's also seeing Daniels, Nix, and now Maye doing better than Williams.
Are you serious? I’d like to see those other qb’s operate without an OL and given expert level training as a rookie. This crap goes way deeper than you think.
@@ChosenMJ that’s true but he’s not saying those guys would be significantly better than Caleb if they were on the Bears, he’s just saying the fact those guys are all looking so good is making what’s going on in Chicago look even worse than it would on its own. Which is also true
@ no one was saying how great the o lines were coming into the season, good QB play tends to change that. Maye has a worse line than Chicago, also the Bears lead the league in no read passes. Meaning throw the ball to the first and only read.
@ChosenMJ are YOU serious? Mayes OL is non existent and his playmakers wouldn’t even be on the field for most teams. Caleb being sacked after holding the ball for 5 seconds isn’t the fault of the OL.
Maye would be killing it if he had Caleb’s weapons and OL.
Nothing will change with this franchise until the McCaskey family is out of the way. The Jets are going through the same thing. The Commanders went through it as well.
Nonsense. Chargers owners are horrible yet the team is doing great. Owners don’t need to change for a team success. Panthers have a new owner who is horrible.
Nah. Caleb sucks and the team has begun to understand that and are giving up.
@@Kube_Dog
*Butthurt Justin Fields fan, eh?*
@@PEN-N-PAL No, he might be even worse than Caleb. Time will tell. Both are CFL quality at best.
@@mr.x817 I wouldn’t say nonsense; owners need to put good people in place and get out of the way ,except when asked for support. Chargers doing well so far this season, but had to make changes, also haven’t even appeared in aSuper Bowl in a long time. Things didn’t change in Detroit until they ownership got good football people in place, and let them do their thing without any strings, unlike what seems to be the case with the Bears. The ownership in Chicago keeps getting it wrong (from fans perspective of having a competitive team that’s in the championship hunt regularly)and have for quite some time.
How can you have two "generational" talents within the same generation?
@MobiusCoin
*That question means you don't understand what is meant by "generational talent."*
@@PEN-N-PAL he made a joke you dope
@@JohnSmith-tk7nt
*Don't defend someone who is clueless.*
@@PEN-N-PAL nobody is defending you, bud
@@JohnSmith-tk7nt no he didn’t make a joke. He genuinely clueless on what the phrase means. Go lay down somewhere
Different GM's, coaches, players, systems, draft picks, free agents. Same problems. Perhaps the problem lies elsewhere? Perhaps we need a new Chairman?
George McCaskey's 12 years at the helm: 3 GM's, 4 HC's, 10 OC's, 0 Playoff wins. You'd think by now someone would have figured something out.
In addition as far as the team being 4-2 leaving London? Each of those 4 wins came against teams that only had 1 win by that time of the season.
I have said this again & again. Totally agree. Duh Bears is a miserable & pathetic organization & will remain so as long as ANY McCaskey has anything to do with football operations.
I see this going down like in Tennessee when they hired Vrabel and LaFlur. Matt wanted a HC but they gave it to Vrabel, so he took a year as OC and moved onto Green Bay. I see Cliff Kingsbury who was Caleb's coach NOT getting the job for some reason wink wink in chicago, he took the job in Washington and is looking good. Since the bears do not fire coaches during the season they will wait till after, Eberflus will be gone and Cliff will be brought in. you saw it here first.
Kingsbury is a great OC and play caller, he proved that years ago. He’s not a good HC….. he proved that years ago as well via Cardinals
I totally agree. It might be a blessing in disguise because now you’ll have Kliff for his career if he coaches well
He does not want to be a HC and he said this many times. He did not sigh with the Raiders because he wanted 3 years. We gave it to him. We will make him the highest paid OC. He is not going anywhere. Sorry are wrong.
Cliff has worked for enough garbage ownership.
Most of the good OCs in the league know that its only better to leave if you think you have 0 chnace of winning in the playoffs. If the Commanders win a game or two in January he is 100% trying to get a ring there.
Still can’t get over not hiring Kingsbury, unbelievable.
It was by far the easiest hire yet they found a way to screw it up.
Eberflus was the person who picked the coordinator and was afraid Kingsbury would take his job down the road.
@@mikeyt34 flus is losing his job anyway, so I guess that ship has sailed
The Bears are never going to say "How Much"
There lies the problem. I'm horrified this team is going to somehow scrape together 4 more wins and sneak into the playoffs. Any excuse George gets to not fire his guy in the middle of a contract, he's going to jump at. One of the underrated most cheap unserious ownership groups in the league. Why God must I be born a Bears fan?!?
@@ba2ooka19that would be a good thing especially to build on for the rookie QB. Losing is never good. Its always better to win a little
i know the rich eisen show isn't a cheap production, so why can't they figure out to get rid of the humming noise from the feedback?
probably just your tinnitus.
I don’t hear any humming noise
At least 12 others disagree @@captainspartan04
I hear it lol
J Fields career passing yards per game is 175. Caleb is already ahead of him with 198 yards as a rookie. Bears just need a coaching staff, a real scheme, and 5 new offensive lineman that can start in the NFL.
YOU BOY CALEB IS A BUST🤣🤣🤣🤣
I know why they let Kingsbury out the building...If they flopped (which they have) they could have fired the head coach and had Kingsbury in the building to take on the job. Letting him 'out the building' was self preservation on the head coach part.
I totally believe this because Flus has shown multiple times that he will shed accountability when he can. It happened last year multiple times and now he did it again with Waldron. HE PICKED WALDRON TO BE THE OC! He should be held accountable for that. Not to mention that this is now the second OC firing he has done. Getsy lasted 9 games on the Raiders. Getsy was with Chicago for 2 SEASONS. Funny thing is, if Kingsbury had this offense humming, Flus’s job would be locked and probably get an extension
@@StewMain6 the other thing I didn’t realize is that Ryan Poles, Ebherflus, Shane Waldron and Luke Getsy are ALL clients of former mediocre Bear D-lineman (now agent) Trace Armstrong…. So despite having interviews with Kingsbury ( who sounded like he knew he wasn’t getting the job, that the Bears weren’t interested in him) Liam Cohen ( doing well now as OC in Tampa) then the guy (forgetting the name , but he’s OC in Atlanta) but they picked Waldron;. was the Bears coaching search about having the best offensive mind to guide your generational franchise Qb or was it about something else? Optics appear that they care more for hooking up certain agents with connections , over what they put on the field. Dysfunctional from a fans perspective , also disloyal to the fan base. Just because we live in Chicago doesn’t mean we have to resign ourselves to watch hot garbage. I just want to see good football, and it’s not important to Chicago Bears ownership nor top management. Just about 5 hr drive away, there’s a family run team that went out, got good football people to run the team, and got out of the way; the operation there seems to be simply about football. Nice to see, and more power to them!
Except.... you don't know that, and you never will. Maybe they just liked the other guy more. Not everything is a conspiracy.
Exactly, this whole thing is Flus and Poles. I still like Poles and hes done a good job enough job. But not firing Flus was the biggest mistake. Flus is the one preaching conservative QB play and play calls. I don't think Waldron is great but im sure he has his hands tied somewhere. Flus plays to not lose and it sucks
@@73ajd1 It's just my opinion.
At some point we gotta stop with the "Generational Talent" label, thats what got us into this mess in the first place. Until further notice he's just a rookie QB please stop calling him a "Generational Talent".....
It's an overused term for sure. "Great potential" is probably a lot more accurate.
This term is just loosely thrown around these days. It’s just gross
Rich Eisen is my favorite sports personality. I've been enjoying Rich's content since he was on NFL Network (back when I still lived with my dad). Rich and Deion Sanders are responsible for helping me learn how nuanced and complex football really is...before I just checked the scores of the Bears games. Since those times (and Deion's top 10 plays) I've been a huge football fan. Just happens to suck that I'm a Bears fan lmao.
We replaced the OC with Brown who has been the passing coordinator this year. How is that an upgrade? Or better yet how will that improve the offense?
Maybe not helping ,but sitting back watching all this, maybe Brown will simplify the offense. Sometimes seems like these guys lose the forest in the trees; rather than looking at what the players are good at, building on it, they just stick to their own system, Get too fancy. Caleb looks overloaded and mechanical …same place Fields was holding the ball, either guys aren’t open or he’s afraid to let it loose…. Coaching DOES matter; it only took a few weeks to break a prospect many here and in the media thought was much better than Fields and have it looking like the same thing , even with more weapons. What other constant is there other than meatball coaching?
Thomas Jones is a hell of a freudian slip lmao great Bear, hell of a head down runner for those 2000s teams
Crazy that Stevensons screw up led to the meltdown of this team
It wasn’t just the screw up vs Commanders; players earlier this season went to the OC to say they needed to be coached harder, held accountable. Counting the Washington loss , that makes four historic collapses in the final minutes of games where the Bears had a roughly 96% chance to win( one of the games I think it was 98% win probability). This HC is a real trailblazer; no one has ever blown it this bad, this many times. Coaching matters , and the players who were here last season already saw a coach that didn’t put them in the best position to win (repeatedly) . You can only BS people with coach speak for certain amount of time. Once the players lose faith, then it snowballs to the negative. Maybe Brown gives them a shot in the arm , but this franchise is dysfunctional from the top down…
The coaches screwed that game not Stevenson. Several mistakes by Eberflus and handing the ball off to a lineman by Waldron.
It was purely anecdotal. Bears have the rare talent of systematically screwing up anything they touch. Or attract major screw-up X factors (Eberfluss, CW...).
lots of teams totally collapse after one Hail Mary. totally normal. happens all the time.
Honestly sucks to watch. What once made this team great in George Halas, now that family is an anchor around the teams neck. Nothing will change until that changes, and that will never change, so nothing will ever change.
One huge problem with this is that the media is absolutely freaking out especially Chicago media. The team is 4-5. Thats not that bad. Your team isnt ready to be that great with a rook. Slow down and let things play out. The media will get in the head of this QB and really aid in ruining him. Slow down
Caleb struggled against good college defenses...the end. 🙄
Caleb played awful overall in the Washington game. I don't know that I've ever seen anyone this overhyped in my life. This is exactly what most of us said would happen. He holds the ball WAY too long for this league, and his attitude is......just not what you want to see in a leader. He can grow out of it, but for the money, he better do it quickly.
This won’t fix much. Thomas Brown was the panthers OC last year. Do we really expect him to be much better than Waldron?
Now, I’m not necessarily defending the guy, but the panthers legit had nothing to work with on offense last season. I don’t think the best OC imaginable could draw up plays to make that depth chart effective. Even if he can’t do anything with the Panthers, that’s a bad barometer to measure an OC by lol
@ Fair enough. I guess my point was that he didn’t put Bryce Young in a position to be successful and now we’re giving him another number one overall qb to potentially mess up
Eberflus seems like a nice guy. What's that old cliche about Nice Guys? Bears have had way too many of them. Just during George McCaskey's time in the Big Chair. 5 head coaches. 10 offensive coordinators.
Brown did not call plays for 2/3 of the season in Carolina, Frank Reich did. Brown called the last 6 games of the Panther's season after managment had already decided to tank. Either way, Brown knows why Waldron got fired and so I doubt he'll make the same mistakes. I hope to see more diverse routes with plenty more quick short routes across the middle. Something that Waldron refused to do.
Rich, thought this was the week for the W. Totally agree with your pre-game view.
Eberflus needs to be held accountable. Firing Waldron isn’t going to improve anything in fact it will probably get worse. This is his 2nd OC and all we can do is tread water the rest of the year now with no OC. Cut the head off and hire a new staff next year. An offensive coach with a proven track record with rookie QB’s would be phenomenal.
To bad can't keep Eberflus as DC and hire a guy like Coach/OC and Great O Line Coach like Bill Callahan . Also trade off Crybaby for a Great O Lineman and Fire Poles and bring in John Dorsey from Detroit who is running things from behind the scenes in Detroit .
McDermott did NOT fire Leslie Frazier. And it’s disrespectful to both Frazier and McDermott to say that, when it fact did NOT happen.
It's curious that the Bears are in a win now mode when they basically handed the reigns to a rookie QB. Of course the rookie QB is going to struggle more often than not (Stroud and Daniels). With all the signings of defensive and skill position guys, it would have been better to get a veteran QB and let Caleb learn. I guess it's not the way to do things these days when everyone wants things Amazon next-day. So just keep firing coaches and GMs and kill rookie QBs' development.
100% correct. No idea why everyone expected the bears to suddenly compete for a Super Bowl this year. Their expectations were WAY too high. And now they’re trying to burn everything down halfway into the season as a result. This disastrous season will hurt the bears for years to come. They should have just been putting in the work, head down, and working towards making their team better for the next few seasons while allowing Caleb to grow and learn how to be a pro WB.
It's not the point of win now mode it's the appearance of how bad they look after adding all the pieces. If it looked like Caleb was getting better each week and let's say they end the season at like 9-8 or an even 500 record that would be okay. They're not trying to win the superbowl they just want to look better than how they are considering Caleb was touted as a generational talent
@@nickh2935 I don't know if it'll hurt years to come. But they need to identify a brilliant or competent offensive mind that stays with Caleb for years to come. The Bears are one of those franchises that seem stuck in time with their offense.
The Bears were drafting QBs and firing coaches in the 90's. Some people don't like change. 😂
The Bears literally could have had either Stroud or Daniels and passed on both.
It’s so unrealistic to think we’re going to flip a switch against a formidable Green Bay defense. Personally think Eberflus needs to go after this week
Rich, I would argue that the Bears' season after losing the double doink game was one long Hangover Season for the Bears...
The offensive coaching was even worse for the Bears last year, perhaps there is a quality issue higher up in the staff?
It's Eberflus. The guy is a substitute teacher posing as a head coach.
Don't get me wrong, I've been rooting for Waldon since he's a local guy, but it surprised me when Chicago hired him. He was...pretty bad in Seattle. Bears gonna bear I guess...
he's a perfect hire for the bears and Flus. Quiet, not gonna ruffle feathers, no threat on Flus job. Should have fired Flus and started fresh.
i want jon gruden for bears hc
If this season is a wash, Flus and the staff is gone. Poles needs to hire a serious coach who is actually capable of teaching Williams how to play the position and allow him to grow.
When the QB takes 8 seconds to make a throw, they don't last long in the NFL. That also makes any o-line look bad. No wonder the Bears players want a QB change.
I never understand an in season firing of the OC. you then use as an interim guy from your own system, and then really only be running the same plays. so how is this going to improve?
It’s called bending to the pressure of idiots. Bears don’t have a spine
Rich Eisen explained it already. A coach might be on the hotseat so looking for a scapegoat. Also the next guy might actually be an improvement, like how it worked for the Bills last year. Doesn't always work but it makes sense if you're a coach on the hot seat.
OCs get fired because they won’t change their stale playcalling. Anybody that steps in immediately feels the pressure to take risks cause they might be next
@@JM-md4ri if im Brown im sticking a middle finger in flus face and saying we arent playing conservative football no more. Let Caleb loose and learn from his mistakes.
It's not. The Bears have too many clowns on the field and Caleb is not very good and never will be. That's the problem and there are no quick solutions.
Wait wait wait. Brown was the OC with Seattle for last part of the season, not the entirety of the season. He was a places holder when they fired the head coach. Check the facts
So what did we learn with the all-new bears in the last 10 months? Nothing has changed and they have no idea on how to build an offense
Wonder if Kingsbury will be Bears HC next year?
He should be. He's doing a helluva job with Jayden and has a history with CW.
Why would kingsbury want to leave when he’s having success with Daniel’s and the bears are a mess
Y'all are forgetting that Kingsbury struggled to win with Kyler Murray whose another number one overall draft pick. Whose to say Kingsbury will make anything any better. Hes available as a head coach for a reason. If he was so successful then he wouldnt be available. Idk maybe hes learned some experience with a second shot. But as a head coach he struggled. Yes he's doing great as an OC but idk if he's the one for HC
The new offensive-coordinator is the big winner in all this cuz the Bears have real talent on that side of the ball. And he connects with Caleb or just makes him look good he'll be able to stay employed in the NFL for the next decade. And I don't want to judge anyone off of their time in Carolina but that is all we got so lets see what he can do &he should let it rip &allow Caleb to run or force him to run cuz maybe the guy that got fired asked Caleb to run &he just didn't who knows
Remember when Caleb Williams had the hubris to think he was entitled to an ownership stake before he was even drafted? The writing was on the wall.
Caleb will be the new team obilerator.
Let's just point out that this now the SECOND offensive coordinator to be fired. What does this say about Eberflus' ability to judge talent and success?
Not Eberflus its Fields and Crybaby that is the problem ! Both got their OC fired by their poor play ! Yet the QB who would have save either of the OC Jobs sits on the bench . Makes No Sense ! Crybaby didn';t earn the starting just given it and You see the results !
Y'all need to chill on Kliffy K being paired with Caleb Williams. Don't forget that Williams dropped off significantly during his last year in college with Kingsbury around.
Feels like a Kliff Kingsbury spot next year
Shane Waldron was the OC in Seattle that I'm sure Russell Wilson asked to be traded away from.
Bears needs to fix their O line, get an offensive head coach, rub of Caleb’s nail paint 💅.
All this needs to be done this offseason.
Why are so many people hung up on the nails? He’s not painting your nails, Drew.
you want a RUB OF CALEB'S NAILS? Dude, Drew what side are you on?
Should’ve done this during the offseason. Number 1 job with a rookie qb…Protect him. Thanks Poles
@@Jviotr Because they're horrible people, that's all I can come up with.
@@caseysager655Once you arrive at the correct answer, stop asking.
The fact that the new OC was in Carolina last year just adds to how the organization is a joke and I’m a bears fan
Even if scheme is garbage, "generational talent" level QBs are throwing 2 tds per game by mistake with those receivers
Since 1920, the Bears have only won 10 or more games 22 times. With 7 of them between 1984 and 1991.
oof. Lions have only done that 11 times and never twice in a row. Hopefully this is the year.
The question of “Are the Bears management making the right decisions?” has long been answered. It’s No, and it will continue to be No so long as George is in charge.
He was only calling plays for Panthers for the last 6 games last year. Not the whole season.
If Eberflus took responsibility for the L against Washington and owned the fact that they blew the game due to bad defensive play calls and coaching in the last seconds of the game….the bears would probably have moved on.
But now he’s lost the respect of his own team and it’s shown up in their play the following weeks
8-11 games too late
Didn't kliff turn down the job?
Caleb Williams is the 5th best rookie QB. It sucks to be a Bears fan, Penix is having a better season from the bench.
Not trying to fit the ball into tight windows is not on CW... It's on eberflus who tried to coach that out of Justin Fields and now trying also to coach it out of CW who instills the fear of God into the QB for any type of interception.. Eberflus coaching philosophy is ultra conservative and it permeates the offense also..
Rich: I like Aaron Rodgers!
Rich: I like Daniel Jones!
Rich: I like Jerry Jones!
Rich: I like Matt Eberflus!
I'm starting to see a pattern! 😂😂
“Shame” Waldron cut off the WiFi. That was the last straw
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Caleb has been coached to play ultra safe, low interceptions holding onto the ball.
Everybody blaming poles… SMH 🤦
He’s been damn good IMO
I believe Caleb was 1 n 4 versus top 20 teams last year. He holds onto the ball way too long, even at USC he did. Jayden played at LSU, correct LSU, SEC. Pretty good conference isn’t it. 🤔
The Bears recently lost their website; they couldn’t put three W’s together… 🤔
Matt is a freaking reality star. Posing as a coach is his real job. Caleb looked like he gave up. They gonna trade DJ Moore now? Lmao?! How long before the McCheapskeys fire Ryan Poles and Eberfluse? How about Trace Armstrong? Is he still running 💩, from behind the scenes? Nothing to work out. All this chaos is by design. They are just raking fans over the coals. Chicago and its professional players deserve better.
I hope they trade DJ Moore to the Patriots next year. Maye would kill it with him
Kid holds the ball for 5 seconds and doesn’t throw the ball away but yeah… let’s blame the OC for all of it.
Well who is going to get blamed now instead of Williams?
No coach can win with the Chicago Bears. The media will pick apart every little error made to a point where the coaches need to be fired. Waldron came out with screen passes and the media told him that screen passes were unacceptable because the last OC used them. His mistake was he listened to them. Then the media said that the Bears have to run first. Every first down after that was a run. You cannot let the peanut gallery have any say in how the team is run. The Bears need to stop letting the media have any power at all. They lost a game because of one play. The media started this negative campaign against the Bears saying that they needed accountability, when actually they were looking for public humiliation for click-bait. The team is damaged one again and the media has always been a huge part of this. It does not happen to most other teams.
Hire Matt Patricia. Leave Ben alone.
Still suffering from Washington loss
That was 17 minutes of 1 person talking by himself in a room with 3 other people. Cant tell me he doesnt love the sound of his own voice
da rich da best
Shane Waldron looks like Jay Gruden
I think fans are starting to realise the impact terrible ownership has. Look at what the panthers, cowboys, bears, saints and jets have in common. Incompetent leadership
Saleh to the Bears.
Great. The guy who wants to drop back pass is gonna call the offense. It’s gonna be so bad
I feel like Rich is making excuses for C. Williams. Dude came in the best possible scenario for any rookie and so far have not live up the hype. Just look at what J. Daniels is doing and if you put Drake May in that Chicago offense, the outcome would have been different. Stop blaming the coordinator…
ur football knowledge is too low to understand how regardless of talent level, you need to be put in a position to succeed by the coordinator. Its a combination of the failures of the oline construction and scheme. Has cw18 looked inaccurate? Ya. But i think its hilarious to look at the offense on paper, and somehow blame a rookie qb 8 games in for it🤣
Bad take
@@bandlitt Maye has an equally awful OL and his sack rate is 8.54%....Caleb's is 11.45%!. And his skill players are definitely worse than Williams are. Odunze and DJ Moore are leagues better than Demario Douglas or Ja'lynn Polk lol.
The Bears had Kliff Kingsbury in the building and they let him walk for Waldron. That’s the issue with this team
Hahahaha I was completely right the whole time. Caleb needs to get out of Chicago ASAP if he wants to have a successful career.
Eberflus firing the OC Shane Waldron is like an oncologist trying to fire the cancer he missed diagnosing.
good luck for 🐻 🔥🔥💖
Except for the Chargers win, they were never impressive. But everyone got carried away with Caleb.
The fact they had 2x top 10 picks and didnt get a OT is why they’re a poverty franchise
The Bears principle owner is 101.
It isn’t going to spark anything. Not a thing.
There’s a lot of bad teams this year.
Seahawks fan. JSN knew lol
The Jets did what the Bears should have done, and the Bears did what the Jets should have done. The Bears and Jets might actually be run by the same people.
Well said Louis CK.
They’re done they do not have a offensive line since Jay Cutler even if they had their star back, they couldn’t block a grandma rushing in there
You're just mad because your grandma didn't make the team.
Go Bills
Team quit on Fluke. Not because of the Hail Mary, but fact Tyrique was benched for his action while Fluje just denied all responsibility for his stupidity. Team know he is a loser in over his head and they will not play for this guy.
Gettin’ ready to laugh real hard at Cpt Finger Nail polish leading that “Packers suck!” chant…😂
Thinkin’ Caleb will be the one on his knees!
I think they should bring in big Mike McCarthy. He’s good with new QB’s. He will be available.
I see this happening.
@@yousircantknow8987 Bears don't hire Coaches with HC experience. Theyve only done it one time and it was John fox.
That would be awesome. Because McFatty suxx and will guarantee further Bears suxx.
If the Bears do not beat Green Bay then they are going to lose the fans that have been around for the last 40+ years dealing with this constant disappointment.
This obsession with teams that are usually always garbage is ridiculous. Jets and bears are both ALWAYS terrible, but they get all the coverage
Cowboys, too. Because they screw up with such panache! They're so fun to watch implode that they make prime viewing.
That won’t fix much. This organization has never learned on how to build or develop around a QB. Even if ones that fell in their lap they messed up!
From having piss poor offensive line; to receivers not separating from their defenders and the running game being nonexistent! This is what the bears and bad organizations have been cursed with but they can’t figure it out like getting out of a maze! Continuously lost!!!
As a bears fan I think they took the wrong quarterback. I think Williams is a major bust and it's time to move on. We could just keep him in there and maybe get the third or fourth pick next year and grab another quarterback. But for now let's get his backup in there. Go bears
Were you one of those fans who wanted them to keep Fields?
After 9 games with that line, you know nothing yet.
To early. You have to let the kid play more. I will say that they should have made him earn the job tho. They kind of seemed to just give it to him. Not sure if he truly earned it. Maybe he did but I feel that they could have taken the Minnesota approach and brought a veteran in or kept fields
Next year, bring in Bill B., Leslie Frazier as DC, and let Bill find the right OC!!!
so matt patricia and joe judge as co-oc's like bill did in NE?
No way. We saw what he did to the pats.