Helldivers 2 - Reinforcement Etiquette: Things to Consider So Your Teammates Aren't Bitter
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 มิ.ย. 2024
- In this video I go over the basic guidelines for reinforcing with manners and grace. Please consider your fellow deceased (and still living) Helldivers and how best to get them back into action.
00:00 Intro
00:19 Pings
02:37 Speed & Location
04:41 Team Killing
05:53 Throwing the Beacon
06:40 Offense
09:25 Objectives & Steering
10:15 Landing on Teammates
10:47 Jammers & Storms
11:52 Low Reinforcements
14:42 Boosters
16:15 Outro - เกม
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If one of your buddies died next to his partner, dont call him in. Let his partner call him in next to his gear.
This is a must
lol I found this out the hard way
I was like why are they killing me when I’m reinforcing them so fast I didn’t realize I was basically teleporting them to the other side of the map away from their stuff ooops
Unless there is a turd on the team refusing to bring them in😅 I'll wait 30-60 seconds then call them in regardless of location
@@Majikmemes Fair enough.
@@Majikmemes time and time again, I see the dude next to them not reinforcing. We have to use our own judgment in these situations
As a pretty overtly empathetic/self-conscious guy, I’ve always been astounded by folks who don’t practice common courtesy but still walk around socially successful with girls and buddies.
2-3 rando’s actively calling in stratagems for entire minutes while they don’t reinforce yet you call them in instantly, is similar to not saying “thanks” when someone clearly kept a door open for you.
And it’s WAY too common.
Lack of empathy boggles my mind too. It's so efficient and empowers me too. Throwing a teammate toward their gear during a reinforce makes me stronger too. Yet they'll just toss me at their feet across the map instead.
@@Vespyr_ you increase your PR playing HD2?
This drives me crazy!
Agreed
Now is the time to run away.
* Dives off a cliff. *
Be stealthy.
* Faceplants into the ground with a loud thud. *
Hahaha ya I loved that part. I had to get tf out of there. Did you see how many rocket devastators that ship dropped off?
@@DrauulGaming That's normal on 7 and above in my experience. I'm an Impossible bot guy.
@@DrauulGaming one time I was playing on impossible difficulty and I could you not, there was so many rocket devastators that I couldn't miss a shot even if I wanted to. We ran out of reinforcement at 20 minutes and at some point, one of my teammate just rage quit after dying 6 times in a row because there is not a single safe place on the map to reinforce. What makes it worse is that the extraction site is affected by a stratagem jammer which is surrounded by an AA emplacement and a heavy outpost. The only reason that one person even made it out was because he had a patriot exosuit and there was no factory strider in the entire mission. Hardest mission I ever had, and yes it was a mission failed.
If you have actually organized fire teams, let their battle buddy call them in by their stuff.
If there's no organization, I just swing my view around till I see a skull icon on the horizon and throw reinforcement in that direction
Teammates are NOT grenates, they are Super-Sonic - Bullets launched from Orbit, with enough force to go straight trough a Charger or Bile-Titan!😂😉
I was in a full squad the other day and we split into 2 squads of 2, 1 guy kept dying and the player he was with wasn't calling him back in so granted I was in the other side of the map I called him in the first time he ran back to where he was and died again so I called him back in because the player he was with wouldn't but this time he tried to shoot me and gave me a nasty message then ran back to where he was and died again so I didn't call him back and the player he was assisting was in a jammer so he got mad sent me another nasty message about not reinforcing him and kept pinging but this time I refused to call him back in so he left the match. More people need to see this video because time and time again I end up with people who think it's beneficial to keep throwing reinforcements into hoards of enemies.
Exactly. We must agree on a standard for each of these situations to avoid tensions and toxicity like this. Sounds like you were using your best judgment.
I dropped into a game answering to an SOS. There were 2 guys left trying to destroy a jammer and they had used up all but one ticket. Both of them died and started spamming the space bar and when I told them "Can't reinforce, it's jammed" I got the answer "I don't care, just do it". They kicked me 10 seconds later, so I couldn't neither destroy the thing nor get out of range to bring them back...
@@thomasrobach3552 players are so damn impatient, they wanna be called back the second they die. It's usually the ones who die the most during the match I've noticed
@@coleostimie9725 Seriously impatient. Had a guy spamming the button and I just said "im not going to die to reinforce you, give me a few seconds to get clear". He backed out before I finished the sentence...
I once had a teammate who wouldn't stop landing on others during reinforcement. As Vaas Montenegro once said: "He did the same joke about 3 times already. I don't think it's funny anymore."
I've got over 100 hours of in-mission time and I've accidentally landed on somebody maybe 3 times until I had one game where no matter what I did wherever I landed I squished somebody. One person I got twice cracked the shits after I reinforced him and shot me then I accidentally landed on him a third time when somebody else called me back down.
Fun fact: Reinforcing on top of a map-generated hellbomb will cause it to explode, however, since you have i-frames as you come out of your pod, the explosion won't damage you.
If you call me in for reinforcements when surrounded, either throw me at the biggest threat or throw me back to my equipment so I at least have good stuff to be helpful. People always throw me just in the middle like that will help
Yeah either in the middle of a horde of enemies or out in Narnia 5,000 miles from anything
If there are heavies i always throw them at the heavy and PING the heavy. many players skip the pinging part
They act surprised when throwing you naked into 200 bugs kills you
This should be a required watch as part of basic training
Also the part where he's using Macros?
@@MyKillyy Macros don’t need to be standard issue but they can be an invaluable resource to arthritic Helldivers
I always hurry to recall my teammates not only because I need them in the fight but because I don't want them to stand and wait while I play the game and they watch it makes me feel bad... simultaneously by hurrying to do it I've learned to do it very fast
Don't feel bad. If you are pre-occupied with fighting for your life. No one can blame you.
I only reinforce toward a Bile Titan or charger if they're basically the only enemy left.
And in that case I throw it like I'm throwing a precision strike.
That is in general when I throw reinforcement beacons, I expect the player to basically land where the beacon is.
It helps avoid allies landing on allies, or falling straight into a bottomless pit and dying before they can even exit their hell pod.
Usually I will try to throw in a direction where I know there is no threat.
If I'm running from a small amount of enemies I might throw it in front of me where I plan to be when my ally lands so I can defend them while they orient.
If I'm running from a lot of enemies, I will usually try to throw them perpendicular to my path, on the other side of some kind of obscuring terrain if possible.
I'm finding I usually drop in without a backpack, and frequently without even a support weapon.
So if I die I don't have to run back anywhere to get anything I'm already set to go.
I do wish finding those things out on the map or a bit more common to encourage this a bit more because I think too many people become too reliant on their gear and that's why they're often and struggling.
I really wish people would be more fucking careful with the breaker incendiary.
People acknowledge that the Blitzer can team kill so they're a bit more careful.
But the incendiary users have no problem firing on enemies that I'm on the other side of without looking twice, because they don't realize how big their spread is and how a single pellet can light me on fire.
It's one of the downsides of the weapon. People got to stop pretending that it's just good at everything.
I would argue that hellpod space optimization, one that a lot of people love, is a reinforcement booster.
As you mostly only benefit from it when you have been reinforced, as you will come in with an extra grenade and two extra stims.
Although if you very rarely die it's a lot like the other two reinforcement boosters. Mostly good for people who expect to die a lot.
Great points
Fair point about hellpod space optimization hadn't thought of it that way. But I also think it shouldn't be a booster but instead be a ship upgrade akin to the improved hellpod steering. But thats just my opinion
10:18 If I can’t see my teammates, I generally try to land directly on the beacon. Likewise, I avoid standing under beacons bc that’s never a good idea lol
this is common sense, don't throw it if you're on the other side of the map. usually we break up in 2 teams of 2 to finish obj faster, don't revive a guy if you're not on his side of the map. other than that it doesn't really matter, throw it on a big enemy that needs to die, or throw it near their gear so they can get it back quickly. pretty standard easy small brain stuff to know.
Ooooohhhhh, I did not know about the fact that too much damage to Pelican 1 meant that it leaves instantly after the first diver enters... Thanks for this ❤
One thing that hurks me about about it, is when you’re on another side of the map with a player and the other two on the other side of the map reinforce you. Your heavy weapon is on cooldown and now you’re stuck with just a primary. I could’ve waited for the guy next to me to pick me up when they can if they can
Would be cool if there was a "nah I'm good" option
The transition at 5:51 was actually fire and good video 👌
Very glad you noticed that. This video was actually me learning a lot of different editing techniques in Davinci.
I always reinforce ASAP, but I try to reinforce you as close to where you died as possible
Ya, it's only when I see that I'm completely across the map that I'm like "uhhhhh"
Friendly fire can annoy me. Intentional friendly fire pisses me off.
But pinging every 3 seconds while someone is trying to kindly tell you they're working on it, that they're in a jammer, or otherwise preoccupied?
That enrages me to no end.
If i see my teammates running towards my airstrike i put the reinforcement strat in ahead of time.
HOLY SHIT FINALLY SOMEONE SAID IT
Totally agree with all of this. I learned that pelican 1 leaves when it takes too much damage and the first person boards. Good to know because I thought this was a bug the other day!
I like how you commented on the group "Not reinforcing just to hate" when an Ion Storm started a few seconds after you died, so they couldn't reinforce
This is hilarious, nice catch
Dont you just love when your team calls you down on top of two factoy striders. My brother in democracy there hell pod proof.
They aren't really, if you land on top of their vents then you can do damage, but yeah it is very not recommended if the strider hasnt taken serious damage already.
learned a lot. thanks man
i had a wonderful ettequte breach where we spit into 2 man groups and the guys on the other side of the map threw me into the middle of a bug nest right after they hit it with a napalm strike i was like WTF what a waist of a life. i said "thats not a best place to throw someone buddy!" and the guy i was teamed up with started laughing his ass off and said well i tried to call you in but i cant press buttons faster then his macro. it was hard to be mad when he started laughing so hard because it made me laugh as well.
you dont have to open the map to see direction team mates died, it is also shown on your compass above where their dot is/was
In the beginning I was guilty of reinforcing to where I was, I’ve stopped that. In the heat of the moment I’ve fired the Airburst without thinking, that was my bad. I’ve gotten smooth and missions with the right group is amazing
all things equal, i try to reinforce near a cliff, tall rocks or a safe spot closest to their gear. if the wave is over ill throw it near a bot factory or objective (as long as it wont harm the player). As far as bombing objectives, when i call in supplies, or weapons i try to throw them right on or next to a bot factory or tower, gas tank, etc. so instead of just 'calling it in' im saving resources by using it as an orbital bomb! i have many randos calling me in, poorly timed to the middle of a bot attack, so i literally have no time to even use a strategem and nuke myself, getting ragdolled around...DO NOT CALL IN PLAYERS TO THE CENTER OF THE ATTACK!! throw them back behind cover, ( ie. the opposite side the attack is coming from) so they can actually help you.
It's wild this has to be a video, seems like common sense kinda stuff lol
10/10 LoTR reference. Hilarious!!!
4:22 Please just dont.
I'm often off solo while the rest of my crew are in a trio.
Nobody likes being summoned off to the soloer while they have 2 chances for their other teammates to reinforce them before dying.
Also if you're off solo and they're in a group, you can probably hold your own while they work better when paired with others. If all 3 die, you're the backup. But if you keep reinforcing as they're dying off, you're essentially forcing them to retreat. If they keep dying but keep getting reinforces off, they can make a stand there on their own terms.
Nothing pisses me off more than getting revived by some dumbass on the opposite side of the damn map & now I have to run for 10 minutes just to get my samples back
this needs to be part of the training manual!
I wait for reinforcement due to most people team up... and usually i am running by myself at an objective.. if they run with me ill reinforce them.. usually whenni die and get reinforced i run off and booger back to objective... the only time i require assistance or really assist is a stalker nest.. thise are number 1 priority's..
i've found a trick to dealing with the stalker nests that make it much easier.. usually next to the nest there is a pool of water if you go in from the water side there is a slightly steep slope that you can walk on on the stalker nest side of the water. that water is deep and they don't cross it. They instead wrap around to the other entrance when you start crossing there. you can walk back and forth and the stalkers "USUALLY" run back and forth giving you plenty of time to gun them down and take out the nest. on a very rare instance if your forcing them back and forth like that they will some times get onto the slope with you but not very often. i would say the most dangerous part is getting up to the nest in the first place if you don't know its exact location.
@thehatebringer8005 gotcha.. when I see them I make it 1 priority and alert team for search of nest.. most of my friends do too. Hence radar stations are op!
@@denhawken agreed
This video needs to be part of super Earth Helldiver training 101.
Also, I felt like I was listening to Woody harrelson narrate this whole thing. I'm not saying it's a good or a bad thing, just a cool thing really.
One time I got a bit impatient with a battle buddy, only to later find out that he didn't know how to use stratagems (probably didn't play the tutorial)... But he clearly knew how to reply 👎"no" to my reinforcement requests in the communications menu wheel, which wasn't covered in the tutorial, as he was doing that the whole time. I had to wait for someone else to join and throw a reinforcement.
The most irritating thing is when you're near a strategem jammer and your dead teammate keeps spamming the ping, sometimes even after you explain in chat that you can't call them in right now. Bonus points if they leave the match after a few pings
it's frustrating when your team mate or the host just spam pings reinforce when you're next to a jammer. Spam pinging isn't going to allow me to reinforce through jammers, even tho i've alerted that can't reinforce using voice and text, still got kicked so many times cuz of they weren't instantly reinforced within 5 seconds
5:57 I never knew This - PSA
I've gotten so quick with doing the reinforcement strategem. I will call it in even while being chased or being attacked. The only times i won't is if the person died across the map and he was with someone else. The hope is that the other guy will reinforce close to where he died. The only other time i won't is when I'm so distracted by trying to survive i forget for a moment.
@drauul what method are you using to get macros to work? Those are the exact two which I most want to macro up.
I have a Kinesis Edge keyboard with special functions. You need a special keyboard or third party software. I'm sure there's some free and easy options out there.
Im so tired of people that throw enforcements like they're orbital strikes. I will make it very clear and literally say "throw me at the titan" if I want you to do that
That’s like saying “I hate when people open doors for me, like I’m supposed to run over to it to make you happy” instead of grasping that it was simply a damn courtesy they gave you
@@skullingtonturtle8080 I think you misunderstood, when they trow me into a big group of bugs like im an eagle strike they are NOT doing me a courtesy, they are sentencing me to death. In the second instance where I tell them to throw me at the titan it is ME who is performing the courtesy of killing it for them
Practice those reinforcements, there is nothing worse than fools that wait till they are 2 miles from your body. I got that reinforce input to half a second, it can be done, and your teammates will love you. Also, made my friends get better at it wanting to improve. Win win.
Very nice video
Please, for the love of god, don't reinforce me into the middle of a horde of enemies. Reinforce me a little ways away from the skirmish so I can get my bearings and reengage as safely as possible. Too many times I've been reinforced surrounded by hunter/spewers or by heavy/rocket devastators with no cover. I'll get my geat back at my own discretion. Getting my AC back right away won't matter if im too fucked to use it.
The best booster for reinforcements is the hellpod space optimization booster.
Which is near useless for teams that barely die or are less than full.
Even with a full team that dies a lot, it can can still be near useless if you have players using laser/ arc builds and loadouts that rely on your support weapon to be your main weapon.
For the most part throw my reinforce a bit away from the mobs. Although i am down to possibly waste a life if i can land on and take out a bile titian. I also like to divert the enemy in a defend mission its worth a few reinforce to keep the mobs away from what you are defending especially if you are getting overwhelmed. I agree for the most part. Thanks for the video Duder.
About the hellbomb at first i thought that its long hard and is not learnable but then i've seen video about smalll features and one of them showed me tha there is an infinity pattern in hellbomb code it starts from bottom then goes up like a spiral to left the goes like a spiral to right
The spear can blow up bot factory’s so you can sometimes take out the strat jammer from far away
standing on the panel, devestators firing rockets, heavy devastators blasting their chainguns, suicide bots (the jump pack ones), a tank dropped in while you're hunkering down with a ballestic shield, no grenades left and a senator.
3 teammates spampinging heavily for a revive as I'm in the middle of a jamming field....
And when I eventually die, i hear "you suck".
My brother in Democracy...what do you expect me to do?
Git gud
If you die to a friendly 380, usually thats on you. Its true that many, MANY people do not place them properly and drop them way to close but if you are paying attention, you should see that comming.
If you dont throw me at a heavy I despise you. If you throw me at them and tag the heavy, we just became best friends.
A level 82 spamming the reinforcement while everyone on the jammers.
The breaker since the buff is a big one for team kills. The fire goes FAR, so careful when sandwiched between enemies and mates.
I was on mission once were pelican 1 was destroyed by a supply drop, which may or may not have been me 😂 We just waited around until the timer ran out and no one extracted
3:12
Hellbomb code isn't that hard once you recognize the pattern.
It's just down-up followed by 1 extra key press x3.
Down up
left
down up
right
down up
SWA SWD SW is what it looks like.
My buddy was stuck by a jammer and we were all dead. I told everyone to spam reinforcement requests and it was pretty funny how the voices changed. Was a good minute of trolling
Tired of doing missions and getting kicked 3\ 4 of the way through after doing half the work 😅😂
Like how are you gonna kick the guy that responds to your sos? I truly don’t understand lol
It's heartbreaking tbh. I don't get how people can be so heartless.
I personally love being the air strike. You call me in on a bile titan and I will be saying
Yeeeeeees all the way down from orbit.
3:14 dunno, Hellbomb code is carved to my brain at this point, get it in a second
I remember when i was playing helldive eradicate mision,
I was the scout of the group.
Then i was at the other side of the map my team had to cross a whole lake and a map to get to the point where i was ( we all headed there except 1 guy to specyfy).
But i died and had to go there once more, then i died again to a charger when i didn’t had my gear.
And at that time there was a guy who was there, but the guy at the end had to reinfirce.
Then after a long time of walking next to the water and thougt the lake, i died cuz of my teammate.
And gues who reinforced?!!?
The f*cking last guy!!
And he thought me like a f*ucking bate behind him.
I still remember that moment.
I will never forget what he’s done.
I thought that the extraction ship leaving with just one guy when everyone else was alive was a bug. I have had that ship leave 3 people behind before because 4 bile titans were clomping around on top of it.
Friends aren’t grenades
Friends are orbital strikes 🚀
Honestly the part about being aware needs to be in basic training. I've been kicked twice from games because I wouldn't immediatly call in someone because I literally couldn't due to Ion storms or jammers.
Rule number one: reinforce your teammates immediately or as soon as you practically can. Do it before you call down special weapons or hit the head or go up and get a drink take a nap. Reinforce immediately.
Rule two: don’t reinforce your friends in the middle of a chaotic situation with 1 million bugs or bots. Don’t reinforce your friend as you’re running away, throwing them behind you so they can get merced again.
If you friendly fire, someone, reinforce them immediately.
Especially if you friendly fire someone, don’t loot their gear. Leave it alone and let them reclaim it.
If you’re some distance away from your teammates, and they are all getting slaughtered, reinforce them where you are, not where they all got slaughtered, so they can regroup. Otherwise, if a group of teammates is far away, and one of them gets killed, let him be reinforced by his buddy, so they can stay on mission and he can recover his gear.
Try not to reinforce your teammates in the middle of dangerous situations. They are spawning without all of their equipment so no jump, pack or shield, no heavy weapon or support weapon. They aren’t going to survive and you’re going to be reinforcing them again if you throw them right in the mix.
I have a 30 second rule - if there’s someone whose clearly free to reinforce but is blatantly ignoring the reminder pings, I leave the match. What makes this game great is the teamwork - you wanna play solo? Do a private match.
I know a lot of ppl don't like macros, but every diver should at least use them for reinforcement. I use macros for everything but the terminal inputs. If I have to I can reinforce while being under pressure, divedoging away and still throw the beacon into a safe space all in one second.
I've found that too many macros can be quite confusing. Having just the two is perfect for me. It allows me to get the reinforcement out no matter how hectic things are, and the hellbomb input is keyboard calculus. With 4 gunships or 20 shriekers circling, ain't nobody got time to play BOP IT! like that.
@@DrauulGamingIt's just a matter of organizing them. I have my macrosoftware running on a second monitor. All my support weapons, backpacks and stuff I use out of combat are sorted by builds on a streamdeck next to my keyboard. I just have to press the icons after I drop in. The combat stuff is on my mmo mouse, and I can change the bindings on the fly according to whatever combination of airstrikes, orbitals or sentries I use... 😉
I use VoiceAttack, it makes a whole new immersion experience
just play hybrid controls it's better anyways and you can run and enter directional inputs at same time. My left hand holds directional for running and right hand uses d pad. Controller mouse is much better than keyboard mouse.
@@4touchdowns1game29Controller and mouse? I play with keyboard and mouse and can easily reinforce on the go you don't need a controller for thst
You can throw me into any base, especially if you mark the heavies first!
I once had a dude who refuses to reinforce me back in.
I was trying to solo L4 vs bots.
Someone joined my game, friendly-fire-killed me, wouldn't reinforce me back in while not even ONE BOT around him/her. I waited for minutes still not being reinforced.
So I just ALT-F4ed and restarted the game.
I’ve never heard the mission commander say that reinforcements are ready
Be the grenade.
My other rule is anyone bringing mortars to a bug mission I politely ask not to - they either team kill or make the match boring, or both. If they refuse, then I’m afraid it’s kicking time.
Lots of toxic players on lately, killing teammates on purpose, leaving by themselves on extraction, killing vips on evacuation
Yes, it does seem as the game ages, more and more players are finding ways to relieve their 'boredom'. Refinement of the block/report/kick system is coming due.
If you accidentally kill your teammates, call them right away and ping their gear on the floor
Yesterday I had a player call a incendiary mines drop on the extraction site...
I gotta say it again….. this is why you stay together. It’s a team game.
Sometimes you get groups where it just better to split though. Too much friendly fire or because it’s overkill and you can split up and beat it faster.
Reinforcement Etiquette, Don't Drop Anyone Into The Minefield. PLS! W.T.F. Why ???????????
Don’t expect me to formally apologize for killing you with an impact grenade when I’m fighting a factory strider and just get into the fight alongside me. I’ve literally had people purposely land on a high up position just to avoid the fight while they write four long ass messages about how i’m an idiot for accidentally killing them. If that’s why i’m reinforcing you, just stay on the super destroyer
Your voice sounds like the stepbrother movie guy lol
Throwing redeploys like grenades while you retreat is hilarious, but also please no XD
Had a person steal my jump pack the other day then didn't use it. I like to spawn items for low level people but this one was lvl 50 ish.
Very rarely see these issues on difficulty 7+. Players are usually very aware. But there are occasional traitors
If landing on teammates is wrong, then I don't wanna be right
Literally reinforced someone and they squashed me like a bug, picked up my gear, then argued about whether they killed me or not. I said, did you bring a quasar cannon? Then where the f@#! did you get it? As if I didn't get a message across my screen telling me I was "killed by...."
idk few minutes ago i mistaked strats and dropped 500kg bomb on my 2 teammates lol
Hello Drauul.
I am Teskio.
I just yeet them as far away from me as possible. I try and split from the team and pull bot drops on my position so that they can clear objectives easier.
u lost me with the macros
Throw the reinforcements pokeballs into bile titans always. Or into bug breeches so you can get away to do mission objectives. Simple stuff really
„Or into bug breaches“ Yeah seems you didn’t get kicked for that shit yet. Sacrificing people for that shit is just sad.
@@_FIow or always host and kick everyone to solo game faster because every one is noob tker
If i reinforce you near your stuff and you die again, I'm throwing you away from the horde so you can at least toss your grenades before you die.
Tbh it is also annoying if a player tries to solo a whole swarm and seeing himcamping on a big rock instead of calling for reinforcement, while 3 dead teammates shaking their heads seeing him miserably fail and die
why would someone cheat in a pve game, it has always puzzled me as i see the anticheat loading up on HD2
They will be thrown at the nearest bile titan and be expected to give their lives for Super Earth. Any objections will be reported to the nearest democracy officer.
I thought reinforcements were just free orbital strikes.
I prefer close to my stuff.
Netiquette
seriously
Isn't it better just to not die?
"Teammates not granades" - totally disagree. Every action should be done in the most effective way even reinforcement into megabase. Is for me - I wouldn't mind.