Impact of a Player's Death on Vintage Card Prices

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  • @NYYanksFan7
    @NYYanksFan7 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Easily the best sports card related channel on TH-cam. I always feel like I'm watching something produced by Ken Burns.

    • @mlbvintagecardcollector505
      @mlbvintagecardcollector505 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Its really not even close. Keith is a collector before an investor. So many are only in it for money purposes. I love the content, smell and feel of a pre-1980 baseball card. He should win an award for his videos. He probably irked too many big hitters (cheats, frauds and weasels) within the hobby to even be considered.

    • @farlow126
      @farlow126 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Perfect analogy.

    • @SilverJackify
      @SilverJackify 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That is how I feel about NYYanksFan7...watching his videos is like reading a Robert Frost poem

    • @NYYanksFan7
      @NYYanksFan7 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@SilverJackify My first apartment in NH was maybe a half mile from RF's house! BTW, my Ron Hassey PC showcase video is coming soon. 🤪

    • @vintagecardcurator
      @vintagecardcurator  4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thanks for the comments guys! I do like to invest in cards as well as collect, but the game, players and cards are a true labor of love for me. I appreciate all the support, comments and views. Otherwise, I'm collecting in a vacuum.

  • @SilverJackify
    @SilverJackify 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Who is buying Dean’s cards!? If I see that the seller is Deans cards I quickly move on? 🤦‍♂️

    • @NYYanksFan7
      @NYYanksFan7 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Dean's target market is the uninformed consumer.

    • @vintagecardcurator
      @vintagecardcurator  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Dean's is one of those logos that I won't even open the eBay listing. I did buy some commons from them early on, but I quickly learned!

    • @dbtiller2296
      @dbtiller2296 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Same for me, I avoid his listings like the plauge.

    • @mlbvintagecardcollector505
      @mlbvintagecardcollector505 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      What? I like to buy cards for 2x to 3x more from Ol' Deano.... He includes his top shelf grading on a sticker attached to a sturdy penny sleeve. What a guy!

  • @brianb5745
    @brianb5745 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Pete Rose is my all-time favorite player - he will be 80 this coming April. Can you imagine the kind of discussions and debates (not to mention the interest in his cards) that will cause? I have written instructions to my wife and son regarding my hundreds of Rose cards just in case I'm not here to see it.

    • @mlbvintagecardcollector505
      @mlbvintagecardcollector505 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Imagine Mays and Aaron... Holy Moly!

    • @sewaseem
      @sewaseem 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      hi, I have quite a sum of rose cards too. what kind of instructions did you leave with your fam, if you don't mind me asking? bequeathing related, any graded?

    • @brianb5745
      @brianb5745 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@sewaseem I have 60 Rose cards at PSA now to be graded (1966 - 1979) and 200 more that need to be graded (1980 - 1987). I also have about 500 that I probably won't grade due to condition. They are to sell on 3 milestones. 1/3 on death, 1/3 on announcement of HOF and 1/3 a month before his actual induction in Cooperstown. They are to use a reputable sport card auction house.
      I live about an hour from Cooperstown. I've never made it to an induction ceremony but I'll be at that one - it's kinda like a personal boycott. How in hell can they have a REAL HOF without Pete Rose? I don't get it.

    • @brianb5745
      @brianb5745 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@mlbvintagecardcollector505 Mays and Arron will be huge BUT they are already in the HOF. "Hopefully", Pete Rose has the announcement and actual induction into the HOF as a catalyst for his cards. Mays and Aaron don't have that.

    • @sewaseem
      @sewaseem 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@brianb5745 Right on, that's thinking ahead. It's criminal that he's not in.

  • @robertd.7060
    @robertd.7060 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    We sure going to find out this year , they ARE dropping like flies , and in other sports , too ! It also reminds us , on how old we are getting , too ?

    • @robertd.7060
      @robertd.7060 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I would also add , if a player is NOT in the spot light , there death's , even for a short time , does put them in the spot light . Great work though !

    • @vintagecardcurator
      @vintagecardcurator  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's tough to be losing so many, so quickly. Yes, it reminds me how old I'm getting. Realizing that these players' heyday was about 45-50 years ago. Doesn't seem possible.

  • @johnodonnell2798
    @johnodonnell2798 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great Job as always!
    The ‘68 set captured all of the great players from 3 decades and is viewed by many to be the best set from the ‘60’s.

    • @mlbvintagecardcollector505
      @mlbvintagecardcollector505 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Agreed. But the '60 set is remarkable and would have to give a slight edge too. Has the feel of the '55 and '56 set. But a PSA 8 set would be a life savings for many.

    • @vintagecardcurator
      @vintagecardcurator  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      1968 set has the most sets in the Registry for the 1960's. I think it's a good set for which to start research and discussions since there are so many HOF'ers from different eras in it. Thanks for the comment!

    • @robertd.7060
      @robertd.7060 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      John O"donnell , sorry , BUT , to me it would be the 1965 or 1967 sets , before 1968 . I like it a lot , but not as good as those 2 years .

  • @mlbvintagecardcollector505
    @mlbvintagecardcollector505 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thanks for doing that vid Keith. Well done. Just imagine what the market will do when Aaron, Mays, and Ryan passes. One word, bananas! I love collecting Killebrew's. He is greatly undervalued. His first 4 or 5 seasons he barely hit double digit hr's. After that, he hit 40 a year for a decade. And he hit those out of a pitcher friendly Metropolitan stadium where playing in 40° temp were a norm in April, May and September. Nowadays, he would be considered a steroid user. Lol! Amazing!

    • @vintagecardcurator
      @vintagecardcurator  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for the comment and education on Harmon Killebrew. I don't know a lot about him, which I think is true for a lot of us and it hurts his value. It seems like his '69 card is one of the toughest to get due to the MVP season and the centering issues with that set.

  • @kenscardboard
    @kenscardboard 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Good show, nerdy data about cool cardboard is something I will watch on a regular basis. Take care.

    • @vintagecardcurator
      @vintagecardcurator  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks Ken. I enjoy trying to find answers to these research questions.

  • @justinjohnson9293
    @justinjohnson9293 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for sharing these videos. Some of the best content on TH-cam for collectors.

    • @vintagecardcurator
      @vintagecardcurator  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks Justin, I so appreciate that. I love doing these videos and the ensuing discussion with fellow collectors. TH-cam is a great format for being able to explore different facets of the Hobby and put answers to questions that collectors have.

  • @FDLrick
    @FDLrick 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great information on a show well done. Us vintage collectors/investors appreciate the effort you put into your videos....always learning something.

    • @vintagecardcurator
      @vintagecardcurator  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks Rick! I always appreciate your comments and support. I know it has to be earned with you!

  • @cacsports
    @cacsports 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love that 1968 Brock card. Great video and analysis as always.

    • @vintagecardcurator
      @vintagecardcurator  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      The '68 Brock is a cool looking card, isn't it? It was one that took me one of the longest to find in centered condition. There are a lot for sale, but not many with good centering. Still...I'd rather have a centered copy of his '69 card!

  • @Sweeney-Kubach
    @Sweeney-Kubach 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Hi my friend, I have been trying to get Don Newcomb in the Hall of Fame for year's. The man was a American Hero. I will check out your live stream later, we have to go play Pokemon with Joshua. Ty for making videos.

    • @vintagecardcurator
      @vintagecardcurator  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you Shaun!

    • @Sweeney-Kubach
      @Sweeney-Kubach 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@vintagecardcurator I have been watching you for year's my friend and I admire How you exposed PSA and you did it so Professionally, I was impressed by How you articulated your points and you are extremely fair.
      I am fair but I am a lot more brutal on them, because they are ruining our Hobby. Ty I am going to check out your live stream today. God Bless you and yours my friend.

  • @LegendsNeverDieCollection
    @LegendsNeverDieCollection 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great work as always my friend!
    This backed up my theory I was literally sharing with some guys yesterday about this very topic.
    Death>increase>possible slight decrease>new plateau
    Thanks for showing examples to back up this thought!

    • @vintagecardcurator
      @vintagecardcurator  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks Jake! I appreciate you watching. It's an interesting phenomenon. I'm going to look at this more over the next year and see what happens with these cards.

  • @robdelker919
    @robdelker919 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Im a new subscriber. I can really appreciate the time and effort you've put into your baseball card research videos. Thanks.

    • @vintagecardcurator
      @vintagecardcurator  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks...I appreciate that. I'm working on a new video, but it's taking me a lot longer than I thought to get it going.

  • @Samshorror
    @Samshorror 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I still have my 1968 topps Seaver and I'm glad to have it! Got it before he passed even! Very informative thanks for sharing!

    • @vintagecardcurator
      @vintagecardcurator  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Cool. That card was 1 of the first 2 graded cards I ever bought. I was happy to have it too as Seaver was a hero of mine. Such a huge loss for the sport.

  • @toppsvintage316
    @toppsvintage316 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Once again great research into the topic! It has been a tough year but unfortunately these legends are at an age where it is not surprising to hear of their passing. I realize cards increase in price after their death but it is sad that it does in a sense.

    • @vintagecardcurator
      @vintagecardcurator  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It's tough to see people capitalizing on the deaths as brazenly as they do at times.
      Thanks for the comment!

  • @donb878
    @donb878 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great topic, I had wondered and now know how death affects price . Thanks!

  • @toddrichardson8595
    @toddrichardson8595 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Keith, this was outstanding information! I love the analytics that you use to get across the information. I remember when Roy Halladay died in that plane he was flying, his cards immediately went up expedientially but they came back down for the most part unlike the cards you profiled proving too that Vintage cards will always hold value. Excellent work as always!

    • @vintagecardcurator
      @vintagecardcurator  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you Todd! It's an interesting phenomenon to try to understand. It really impacts how you buy and sell cards. I used to have a hard time believing that people would pay so much over market value after a death, but enough people do. It's real.

    • @toddrichardson8595
      @toddrichardson8595 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@vintagecardcurator It indeed is very real....

  • @cscottriffle
    @cscottriffle 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Interesting as always. I would think the price increases of rookie cards upon death of the player would be the most extreme. Thanks for sharing.

    • @vintagecardcurator
      @vintagecardcurator  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes, thanks John...I also think rookie cards would see the most increase. Many of them are so iconic. Aaron, Ryan, Bench rookies will probably always be revered.

  • @JohnSmith-zw8vp
    @JohnSmith-zw8vp ปีที่แล้ว

    You know I remember a Readers Write letter in Beckett after Mickey's 1995 passing that they thought it was wrong to "take advantage of a bad situation to make money!". OTOH, right after the 1993 deaths of Tim Crews and Steve Olin someone accused Beckett of "[not giving] a little respect for the deceased" because they remained at commons price.

  • @PickerJimS
    @PickerJimS 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video! Your research and analysis is amazing as always! I thought, as you did that there was a spike after a death then the price came back down some. Unfortunately I think we will be losing quite a few more over the next year or two. A lot of these guys are really getting up there in age! Thanks for sharing your knowledge!

    • @vintagecardcurator
      @vintagecardcurator  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for the comment Jim. I was reminded of the age of these players this summer when Captain Carl hit 81. He's not even the oldest HOF'er. There are 11 living HOF players older than he is. It's going to be tough over the next few years.

  • @kevinjones9685
    @kevinjones9685 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great as always. Thanks for producing such great content

  • @FarmleagueSportscards
    @FarmleagueSportscards 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    great video,thanks for this,I find it hard to see the accuracy in 2020 as even our vintage has increased in value without cause other than covid,Like you I hope to hear of no more deaths this year its been a crazy year to say the least,appreciated you going back to Banks in 2015 to find accuracy,look forward to more of such vids ,and thanks again

    • @mlbvintagecardcollector505
      @mlbvintagecardcollector505 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Gary Vee has a lot to do with the card investors. He mentioned a few weeks back to collect vintage because of low pop counts and condition variables. That is another reason why the vintage market has exploded of late. The problem is, once vintage prices rise, they rarely drop. Usually keep going up.

    • @FarmleagueSportscards
      @FarmleagueSportscards 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@mlbvintagecardcollector505 very true,I just hate seeing commons go up so much as to lately,building team set of 53 and 54 recently and commons that were 4-5 raw now are 10-12 raw,but I'm good with it I guess still keeps me from the insanity of modern right now , thanks for reply

    • @vintagecardcurator
      @vintagecardcurator  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for the comments. I keep waiting for vintage prices to drop somewhat, but they keep going up. Some of the cards I've been watching have literally doubled since the beginning of 2020. It seems like a lot of people are moving into vintage that weren't collecting a year or so ago.

  • @jimmyflynt4255
    @jimmyflynt4255 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thank you for doing this for these great baseball stars!!

    • @vintagecardcurator
      @vintagecardcurator  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you Jimmy. I didn't really do anything for them as I think most all collectors are aware of their importance to the Hobby.

  • @cardcollector1754
    @cardcollector1754 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great videos ... keep them coming! Love to see something on the iconic 1952 Topps set...

    • @vintagecardcurator
      @vintagecardcurator  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks! I really know very little about '52 Topps. You should check out Geeze Mikey's channel. He has several videos about his set.

  • @damonbissonnette5568
    @damonbissonnette5568 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I got a Gavin sheets memorabilia card and Carmelo Anthony memorabilia card, seems like they’d be worth more considering their pieces of the players equipment used in game. I’m gonna hold onto them , hand em down when I have kids or something

  • @joemlm2584
    @joemlm2584 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    deans is just plain aweful, the overpriced cards and schill bidding, the card sells and is often relisted. they should be reported if you spot that!!!! great video, thanks for sharing!

    • @vintagecardcurator
      @vintagecardcurator  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Dean's doesn't seem to have many fans here. lol I'm not aware of the shill bidding, just the overpriced cards.

  • @Bowman1951
    @Bowman1951 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    The incredible amount of data you collect is going to to pay personal dividends for years to come. Keep the great content flowing!

    • @vintagecardcurator
      @vintagecardcurator  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks Jeff...creative juices are flowing. I've got some more stuff planned.
      To answer your earlier question: I stepped away because COVID changed my work schedule so much and with the warmer weather I'm out on my motorcycles a lot. I just had no time to produce videos.

  • @buffalobraves9
    @buffalobraves9 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video thank you. I'm sure Whitey Ford's cards are having the same effect.

    • @vintagecardcurator
      @vintagecardcurator  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I'd be curious too how Whitey Ford cards are doing. I just don't follow many cards/set pre-1968.

  • @gregporter8417
    @gregporter8417 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    good research! you asked and answered some important questions

    • @vintagecardcurator
      @vintagecardcurator  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks! It was an interesting project. I'll be tracking and following the sales of these cards to see where the values end up in another 6-12 months.

  • @jysportscardguy8935
    @jysportscardguy8935 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent video and topic once again 👍 this is very much on my mind.

    • @vintagecardcurator
      @vintagecardcurator  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you! I've been thinking a lot about these players lately. It's a huge loss to the Hobby.

    • @jysportscardguy8935
      @jysportscardguy8935 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@vintagecardcurator so true and it serves as a wake up call to me and my collecting

  • @jchcollins
    @jchcollins 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I haven't had time to research, but would be interested to see the effect on Joe Morgan's '65 RC. This at least in comparison to other 60's HOF'ers has always seemed to be a "sleeper" card, or a "good investment" because it was perpetually undervalued. Put another way, what is the effect of a death on players who were considered to be underrated in the hobby anyway? (Frank Robinson, Joe Morgan, Stan Musial...)

    • @vintagecardcurator
      @vintagecardcurator  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      That would be a good analysis John. I also feel the '65 Morgan rookie is really undervalued in the Hobby. I don't own one...I just felt it would always remain undervalued. I am curious how it's doing now.

  • @billschipper1718
    @billschipper1718 ปีที่แล้ว

    Some of the increases were so minimal i think there passing didn't effect the card prices. Could you check to see what thier autograph values did?

  • @thevintagecomposer
    @thevintagecomposer 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think the short time span of losing many HOFers and the recent spike in vintage cards overlapped in a sort of Venn Diagram. We all expect certain players to be inducted within 5 years of their retirement, and no one I know has cheated death. Yet, prices always spike during these times. Do you think those who purchase player's cards immediately following their death are not true 'collectors/investors' but uninformed fans who think they're getting a deal? It will be interesting to see how the RCs perform after a 6-8 month stretch, and how the prices compare to populations of a certain grade. We also have to take into account how the pandemic has affected buying behavior - collectors might be so anxious to buy that it is causing a major seller's market. Great angle for discussion during this tough time in the sport.

    • @vintagecardcurator
      @vintagecardcurator  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Great comment! I don't know who these buyers are, but the prices seem real. I have to think it is people who are coming in from the outside (not even the sidelines) and not having any idea what these cards should cost. It only takes 1-2 people to reinforce this type of behavior. My other explanation is that It could be a FOMO effect too I guess: collectors thinking the prices are going to skyrocket forever, so grab them now. In either case it's not rational or informed behavior.
      I like the Venn Diagram analogy!

  • @codacollectibles
    @codacollectibles 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    RIP to the greats. Good insights!

    • @vintagecardcurator
      @vintagecardcurator  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes, RIP. I miss them...feels like that era is really passing into history.

  • @CartersKidsSteveInTheEve
    @CartersKidsSteveInTheEve 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    True, but the term inflation never plays into your figures either.

    • @vintagecardcurator
      @vintagecardcurator  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think we can quantify the role inflation takes. Clearly these were all cards that were rising in 2020 before their deaths occured. Seaver had about 5% growth over 2019, until his death. So of that 64% growth after death, maybe 59% was attributable to his death. It could be worked out for the other players as well.

    • @CartersKidsSteveInTheEve
      @CartersKidsSteveInTheEve 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@vintagecardcurator for sure. You are overall correct in your analysis in my opinion, but there will be several percentage points of inflation as suggested. I tried responding to your original response as such, but glad we can link up again. It will be interesting to see the unanticipated “inflation” that the quarantine created in collectibles too. Some of this price is probably due to people dropping large sums in this strange time. Great work on this as always!

    • @vintagecardcurator
      @vintagecardcurator  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you!

  • @ottoolsen7640
    @ottoolsen7640 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Keith, another excellent analytical video although on a bad subject. Here's a question. Do you think maybe the Seaver is higher because it's his second year card and his first card alone? Thanks for the video.

    • @vintagecardcurator
      @vintagecardcurator  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks. It's a tough subject. I tried to be objective and respectful as I'm mourning the loss of these players too.
      Yes, I definitely think some of Seaver's growth is due to the sophomore card. I think a lot of people move into it because the rookie is so prohibitively expensive (I did). The other factor is that since his initial diagnosis of dementia on 3/7/19, his prices immediately started climbing too. That could also partly explain why his increase was more than Gibson's. But Gibson's '68 card is also very popular due to the World Series and his incredible 1.12 ERA season. It may be his most popular card aside from '59.

    • @ottoolsen7640
      @ottoolsen7640 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I agree with you Keith. I just think HOFers are destined to continue to rise. I wish I had bought more years ago.

  • @awm6598
    @awm6598 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great info! Thank you for sharing.

  • @williammorgan961
    @williammorgan961 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm not sure that 1968 is really the best year to measure the values of these particular players after their passing. There is already special interest because it's Seaver's 2nd year card & 1st solo card, and Gibson and Brock were on the World Champion 1967 Cardinals and NL Champion 1968 Cardinals. Another year may have been a more neutral baseline for measurement overall. As for the 1968 Morgan not selling...it's a head shot with no cap or team insignia, which is not very desirable. Always enjoy your videos though! Keep em coming!

    • @vintagecardcurator
      @vintagecardcurator  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Which set(s) would you look at to measure the effect? Rookie cards?

  • @bigjax731
    @bigjax731 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome

  • @mikedunham8481
    @mikedunham8481 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great analysis but most of us like are not going to buy PSA 8 or whatever to complete a set. Perhaps if you collect HOFers.

  • @tnbocon
    @tnbocon 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Welcome Back!!!

  • @snakeonia7542
    @snakeonia7542 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    There is definitely another layer on the onion. It depends if death was expected “near term” and the age I believe. Like if Reggie jackson passes tomorrow and mays were to pass I believe the jackson would see much more appreciation. Similar to kobes passing. Its a bit of an awkward financial talk for some but every year I pay my life insurance, i know there is an expiration date. Whole industry’s built on it shouldn’t be as taboo as it is.

    • @vintagecardcurator
      @vintagecardcurator  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      You're absolutely right Jake. I don't follow basketball but I bet Kobe cards were really impacted. It is a bit awkward to talk about it so I tried to be objective and neutral.

  • @123alexer
    @123alexer 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Rip hank aaron

    • @vintagecardcurator
      @vintagecardcurator  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes, RIP. We've already seen the doubling of his card prices within an hour of his death.