Life-long Irish supporter: Well done NZ, a good start to Robertson & Co's tenure. ☘'s win against the Boks was nice. Hypothesising about the Irish stars left at home is bs. You play to your full abilities with the best players at your disposal on the day. The proof of skill and commitment is in the manner in which they perform; lose, or win. We comitted well, right to the end. Mr Kidney got us on that track initially. France U20's were bloody awesome! What a display. God bless NZ 🏴☠☘🤟👍
There was a noticeable difference in the speed of the ball clearing the rucks when Ratima came on. His pass is very Aaron Smith like. It made a massive difference in the end with helping run the English rugged. Finlay is very combative which is probably needed early with sides like England and SA.
There really wasn't. Ratima played well but he wasn't any quicker than Christie. His box kicks were too shallow. His decision making wasn't any faster. Still held the ball at the back of rucks. No disrespect to Ratima, I definitely think he is the future but he didn't set the world on fire on his debut
I agree with Jeff - keep playing DMac at 10. He played well and needs more time in the role. I think we should give Perofeta more time at 15 as well. BB is a known quantity, and this is a good year to test different players and combinations of lineups. I also wonder if we can play Rieko at winger again and slide someone else in at outside center
I personally don’t rate Perofeta, not even as a SR player but to be fair, he has filled in when required , in SR & ABs, & done a reasonable job but for me he has been around too long in the NPC/SR/AB scene without ever kicking-on since he was first announced as the Blues heir to King Carlos and tagged ‘Perafuture’ back in the day. Given the inevitable return of Will Jordan with the prospect of Ruben Love gaining experience then the ABs would have sufficient cover of 15 if you include the likes of Beauden, DMac & Jordie so Perofeta may find himself on the outer. Given that the likes of Fergus Burke, Aidan Morgan & Josh Ioane have recently announced their departure of NZ shores for NH deals, they could see the writing on the wall as to their future in NZ so good on them for taking their opportunities & I wish them all the best. Razor & co will already know when Mounga is returning & knowing what Beauden can do at 10/15, this ‘walk’ is about developing depth/experience/options so giving DMac more time now at 10 is important for me as an option/cover/competition for/with Mounga. The eye to the future may already be on the likes of Zarn Sullivan, Taha Kemara, Josh Jacomb, Rico Simpson etc just to name a few but can/will any of them develop soon enough for RWC27 or are they the next wave for RWC31? And as you say, can Reiko slip back out to the wing? If he does switch/morph into a 13/winger, being a winger himself, Reiko should learn to pass the ball out to the wing in a good space, not keep the ball & if, & that’s a big IF because he rarely passes to the outside, not eventually pass the ball when he has already closed the (previously) available space by his own running lines? Is Leicester Fainga'anuku returning to NZ in time for RWC27? Would he slip back into ABs contention? If so, how would that complicate things ‘squad wise’ with his ability to play 13/Wing? More options or more complications? Given the ABs DNA, could Caleb follow in his Dad’s footsteps and also slip in as a 13 sometimes? Could Narawa transition/morph into a 13/Winger? Could Billy Proctor be a 13/winger option? Exciting times ahead with hopefully plenty of sleepless nights & discussions due to the options that the ABs will/might have available on this ‘journey’.
with BB and Dmac in backfield plus Jacobson and ratima forward in last 20 minutes, it was fantastic! like chiefs rugby, ❤❤❤running opposition all over the place. put beaudy and dmac on together and start ratima. speed, unpredictable, smart kicking ❤
Christie is too slow. Ratima came on and delivered quicker ball, McKenzie looked way better when he got quicker ball. TJ and Christie are too slow, always looking for the chance to be a hero. Have Ratima starting, and the number 2 half back when Roygard comes back. TJ and Christie are number 3 and 4 half backs at best.
It's a bit of a hard watch sometimes listening to ex-All Blacks who can't explain why we struggled in this series. Yes there's a new coaching team and the prep was short but it comes down to 3-4 key areas. 1. Lineout - we were poor, Otoje was great. Winning this possession makes a dramatic difference in our field position and possession. More ball and I'd have backed us to score points. 2. Kicking from Halfback - Scott Hansen believes we can build three world-class halfbacks. You can look no further than Dupont for the model. When he kicks from the base inside his 22, the ball is out near, or over halfway. We couldn't get it to the 10m line and for nearly 20 minutes we were pinned in our 22. This makes a massive difference in pressure on us and our ability to pressure the opposition. Also, our attacking box kicks were too deep and not contestable - again get this right and we win more possession and pressure the opposition. 3. Go Forward - Take a look at the Blues "Vern-Ball". When a Blues forward goes, he has a cleaner on each hip who helps drive him through the contact area usually winning another metre or two plus providing quick, clean ball to the halfback. Too often in this series, our forwards are running alone and the cleaners are late giving the opposition time to pressure our ball. 4. DMac is our 10 but run Beaudy at 15. I love Stephen, but while DMac finds his feet having Beaudy there gives him another voice and takes some load off. This will free both of them up to ignite our attack. I'm sure the coaches are on this, but these are the areas we need to tidy up before we hit South Africa. Do that and we'll be a good chance.
The overload move did not come from Andrew Goodman. Ireland ran it to score against France in the 6 Nations two years ago. Ireland normally play is for a goal line drop off return.
Wow what a weekend 🙌 thanks to South Africa for hosting us, what a game what a kick and what a moment for Frawley. NZ, looking forward to you guys coming to Dublin in November, itll come around fast.
The All Blacks' job was to win the series....no more and no less. That's been achieved. England's job was to show something. That's been achieved. Now both sides have to build. Good point - The AB tight play was elite. The AB scrum smashed England.. They need to get to the point where they can match the French and Book scrums. Patterns of play will be developed..We all need to take the wins.
All blacks scrum were better than boks scrum in the finale World Cup and even with 14 men . Today with the top props , all blacks scrum is so far better than scrum French and boks
Perofeta butchered a certain try when he passed outside to Telea when he had Jordie and Christie inside. He didn’t look both ways. Very poor vision and communication by the All Blacks in that play.
Such a good show - keep it up team! For me, the England vs All Blacks games were two of the best to watch that I've seen in some time... both teams played positive attacking rugby and defended with everything - It's going to be a cracking game at Twickenham!!
England's defense was so good and stopped our momentum well into the 1st quarter 2nd half at the same time their tactic of tackling the ball carrier regardless if the ball is transferred takes the player out of the attack reduces the number on attack thereby reducing the threat
10 days together for Razor so normal the mistakes . A lot of work to do sure but they will improve. In November, we will see others all blacks with gameplan and combinations learnt and overall others players .
@@Intergalatikk January. Scott Robertson had a wider group together. Makes sense, 6 months to get to know eachother, flesh out the squad, flesh out any new coaching staff, the works. A very exciting time.
Figuring out what Nic Berry wanted was i think our biggest issue. We were too conservative at the lineouts and with our onside play where England pused those points the whole game.
I have always respected Beaudy, despite what critics may say or think, not hard to see why he is the recipient of 2 IRB Player of the Year.Very humble.Correct me, Will Jordan is back playing NPC this weekend.Does this mean he will be considered for the Rugby championship Squad, also Razor had a preference for Will to play fullback while he coached the Crusaders.Maybe the whispers for Reiko back to the wing,to allow for a centre like Billy to create time and space for our wingers to negate the rush defence.Thats why Leon and Jason Holland are paid the big bikkies
I think a bit of calmness does wonders it's only their 2nd test and against a very good English team coming off a good 6 nations...can only get better from here
If we don’t win by 50, why does everyone always talk like we lost. I think it’s rubbish. Winners should be grinners but NZ are never happy. If you didn’t know the scores and read or watched any commentary around the last 2 games, it would seem like we lost. Good job boys and coaching staff. Way to fight hard against another top world team and win the series 2-0
Irish supporter here. SA best in world. 4 WCs, 2 back to back. Can't possibly argue any different. Because its probably our fourth choice sport behind Gaa and soccer, we don't have the depth that SA or NZ have yet. But these wins the game is definitely growing in popularity. They've broken a lot of barriers down since the game went professional with one obvious one left to do...v proud of their performance on Sat and how they dug so deep.
Did you watch the WC final? NZ lost the game, the Boks didn't dominate them or anything though, one of the two missed conversions or one of the missed penalty kicks and it's the All Blacks as the champs. Don't get me wrong, the Boks won and deserved the win, but it was insanely close. Quit trying to make it out as though it wasn't.
@@ashinch0rto be fair they did dominate the ABs when they had 15 players on the field. The game only turned after the red card and evened out🙂. Think the Boks knew the pressure was now all on them as they were expected to win🙂 Also dont forget the game before the world cup where it was a demolition job by the Boks over the ABs🙂 so he has a point 🙂
Well mate seems like you are getting some good depth now🙂. Even your u20 junior teams are good. I wouldn't be surprised if it keeps rising for the Irish. They are an amazing rugby team and I was super nervous for the SA series for that exact reason 🙂
Bnb needs to keep coming off the bench, Dmac and Stevie just need more game time, let's not get too critical, England are a very good team but the ABs are too, I'm confident the ABs can go 14 - 0 this calendar year💪
Mackenzie needs a fast 9 it showed when he had Cortez Ratima he was getting fast ball which kept England on their toes. Whoever is at 15 won’t really make a difference leave BB on the bench he has always played well there.
no one knows what the plan is , Razor seems to be trying to reinvent the wheel, he cleaned house and took out personal that would have contributed to helping him rebuild, but Razor cleaned out wanted it all his way, .nothing wrong wtih the players, they are match fit, hes got 30+ coaching team, too many voices coming left right and center.,
Rassie cares he wanted to beat every team this year and Ireland stoped that. 3 teams will fight or 4 if France wake up for No 1 place in the world this year.
There's legal issues with member of the team, renouval of génération, Galtier doubt on his system, injury and Dupont on 7th , the lost on quater destroyed everything, futhermore the way it was ( referees hightly suspected being paid basicaly or clearly unqualified) France won't wake up till some month, time to find a new thing, effective of player, JO, be behind,
One big regret about Beauden's game - that the kick of the ball down the touchline in the fourth quarter was defended by the English player. Without that, it would have been one of the top five plays in rugby history. Now it will be largely forgotten. Damn.
You need the whole 8 to lead from the front. Forwards open doors like a key than the backs can play the tune they want to play. At the moment its 1 step forward and 3 steps back. You need props like Pisolo and Tamati with Aumua with locks like Barret and Darry to smash up the opposition 8. This instills confidence in the back 7. The ABs were lucky that Ford or Farrel were not playing 10. The ABs could have lost the series.
When they moved him away from flyhalf I was relieved as a South African. I have always rated Beaudan as the best back in the all blacks side. So we going to be in alot of trouble come the Rugby championship.
Blady boks was winning two cups with kicking and line outs😜🙈! Boks without stunning kickers would be old english rugby with concrete defence? Boks how many games winning with try's?
The very good AB sides have been the ones that more often than not win those arm wrestle matches! We saw this from the Aussies late 90's early 2000 and then the AB's through their golden streak (which included two world cups). Hopefully this team can do the same with those close games! England on the other hand have lost so many of their close games that the truly good teams dont.
tactical misplays from england in the last 30. beaudy was at the back and is particularly strong at recovering from those little chip kicks into the corner and we saw him punish them for it. He's historically not as great under the high ball so if any sort of kick had to be made it should have been an up and under. He was on quite a heater though so i wouldnt put it past him to have taken those calmly aswell.
England only 3rd place in the 6 nations. SA have similar rush defence and much stronger scrum than England. Tough two tests in prospect. Argentina and Australia shouldn't pose too many problems but Schmidt might have other ideas.
I saw all blacks better than boks overrated in the finale World Cup and only helped by referee . Stop with boks overrated. Razor all blacks will smash them in one month
We need a young new lock. If those 2 are our locks going forward we are in trouble. Patrick tuipulotu is only there because of retirements otherwise he would never be in the squad. Hes been in and out for over 10 years. Hes always been good for the blues but not the all blacks. We also need Shannon Frizell back. Finau just isnt the same.
Hopefully Lord gets over his injuries. Darry has a ton of potential and Holland will be available next year. I don't rate Vaai at all. Scott Barrett is world class.
Vaai and Lord need to bulk up. If they both could bulk up and keep their form they would have serious potential. Even Georgias 2 locks are bigger then the both of them
@@richieflood3923Really don't see what Vaii offers. At least Patrick can bend the line. Agree. Both Lord and Vaii need to bulk up. It's a real mystery to me how we have the largest PI population in the world and along with our Maori people, we don't seem to produce huge athletes. Maybe it's because our coaches at every level have always preferred mobility over size.
My Two Cents: Beauden AKA 'Super Impact Player' Barret MUST Keep his Vital Role. Why? He sees 'What MUST be Done' from the outside and Comes In to Win the Games for US.
I like the idea of him starting fullback while DMac gains confidence. He is 100% a game winner and at games I’ve gone to in the past, I have noticed a massive increase in communication when he comes on
It's laughable to suggest that N.Zealand are a team in transition The squad have been together for years mostly and most have played regular test rugby Emgland had 8 players with less than10 caps That is a team in transition
NZ players missing from RWC23: Sam Cane, Sam Whitelock, Brodie Retalic, Ritchie Mounga, Samisoni Tauekeiaho, Shannon Frizzel, Leicester Faingaanuku, Aaron Smith, Dane Coles, Will Jordan, Cam Roigard. Add a new coach & you definitely have a team in transition.
They’ve lost over 500 caps in Retallick, Whitelock, Smith and Coles……let alone the other players not available now like Frizzel who was the first choice 6.
@@SuperEdge67 England also lost over 500 caps of experie4nce it means sod all The fact is that MOST OF THE ABs PLAYERS ARE OLD HEADS AT TEST RUGBY Having been playing it for YEARS While England had 8 players under 10 caps starting N.Zealand are not a team in transition LOL
For me the number of Caps can be mis-leading. A player might have 10 Caps but those 10 might have all been off the bench in the last few mins of each game when the game was already won/lost so in reality that could maybe only have 20-30 mins of actual playing time & some of those mins might have been against a Tier 2 Country or when the game had already gone one way or the other etc. To allow a fairer comparison, I would like to see a breakdown of the Caps, Starting Playing Minutes, Off the Bench Playing Minutes, Opposition Tier etc. With all of the data at hand maybe even minutes by Location/Ground, what was the score when they came on off the Bench, was the game already won/lost when they came on off the Bench, when they came on off the Bench was it a tactical/injury/sympathetic substitution etc. Could there be some kind of algorithm, heaven’s forbid something like the World Rugby Rankings, that would give an added weighting to mins starting in a RWC Final as opposed to bench mins in a ‘jolly’ of game against much weaker opposition as part of whatever competition or a friendly where ‘CAPS’ are rewarded? Can ‘Time in Camp’ be supplied/analysed or used for comparison’s sake? Can similar stats also be given for a Coach, their Coaching Role or the Coaching Group as a whole? I’m into data… 😀
Mitchell sniping and Smith finding gaps is something we've not seen much from england's 9 and 10 for a while...long may it continue as they made inroads. maybe ABs werent expecting it.
Don't worry about innovation right now. The ABs must first learn to do the basics right and get some rugby intelligence and a physical presence. Perofeta butchered a try as he can't complete an inside pass and battles out of position! Tuipiloto at 5, is a complete waste of space on the field. He is lazy and loiters around on the field. How you get worse in line outs from one week to the next in lineouts is also worrisome. Rieko also needs to be taught that sometimes, he has to pass that ball and not hold onto it forever in a day. He is a predictable player, who lacks off loading abilities, which at centre is very worrisome. This Team will get worse before they start getting better, and they are simply light years away from the standards set by SA and Ireland.
Is there any other sport where being rated number 1 seems such an obsession, would South Africa or Ireland swap a world cup or six nations etc for the number 1 position?
First receivers standing too wide and flat again - gives defence time and takes sting out of quick go forward - and yes the english halfback was super sharp.
Dmac is more impact player and too small. Give him his time for sure because we need several strong options. Foster didn’t build anyone up because he was focused on not losing.
Can't keep relying on Beauden Barrett for that necessary spark needed to win, too many virtually anonymous players on the field, they're doing what they need to
Beauden was incredible on attack and sucked quite a bit on defence. His kicking wasn't as aimless as it usually is, but if you start him I fear we'll see his same tendency to kick too often come to the fore.
I know exactly what Mils is thinking and feeling! Getting cut off, when he is explaining & always being countered by the blondie. If Mils in the panel had to say "I'm surrounding by idiots who don't care about my opinion?" Instead it became about who cooked breakfast in bed...
New era, 2 wins. As a Bok fan I don't understand the negativity around beating a solid England team. You guys can easily make it 2 - 0 here. Momentum and building. Boks struggling for identity and losing A team replacements to injury.
Not sure why you guys are talking about DMac not being there. He's the number 10 and has played well over this series. Pair him with BB who played outstanding. Also, the answer for quick ball is Ratima. Christie is so slow. How come these guys can't see it? I admit he's great defensively. I'd give Rieko a break. His season with the Blues was average, and he's transitioned that form to test match footy this year. Start ALB and bring in Proctor on the bench.
They are very careful to criticise on this show but it wasnt said. But I just dont think Christie is the guy. He actually did alot of good stuff but just not good enough at this core role. Ratima was great dont get me wrong but Christie is what made him look so good. Noah Hottam is a star in the making. I hope next week Ratima starts with Noah on the bench we need to invest in the players who are good enough and fiji a perfect team to do it against.
Mo'unga/10, DMac/15, Beauden/Impact. Missed Jordan. England smothered us around the ruck/maul, needed to get the ball wider and faster. Kirwan's an idiot. Gotta question some of Razors selections
We are short one more power running forward, start Jacobson. Ratima should start pending TJ. DMac is fine. Perofeta and Bed and Breakfast good interchange...Weak in midfield, maybe move Telea to centre with Ioane, Jordie to bench Clarke on wing...pending Jordans return.
Beauden was good . How ever McKenzie showed some of his old faults on defense. McKenzie isn't able to consistently take the next step up to test level. Talea also was caught out of position several times on defense. At test level rugby this cannot happen.
🤔 Got change the 9 christie solid nothing more guys combo dm and his chiefs mate against fiji give proctor start with barrett canes combo-- both wings give rest start bb 15 Foward thinking barrett number8 savea and jacbson give both other locks start-- captain can go in there if needed later game front riw ton talent😁🖤💯💪
In reference to Goldie’s analysis of scoring tries with the use of Dummy Runners, while I like attractive rugby & good/smart moves. my take on the Dummy Runners, is that once the Dummy Runner is ahead of the Ball Carrier & there is any contact to a Defender, within a reasonable radius of the Baller Carrier & not the Defender milking the contact, then that should be ruled as obstruction/blocking/crossing & a penalty/free0kick awarded to the Defence. Sometimes a Defender is penalized for tackling a Dummy Runner ‘off the ball, without the ball or early’ when the Defender had already committed to the tackle given the actions of the Ball Carrier & the Dummy Runner. The Defender doesn’t always have the time to react to the ball being passed & getting into position for a legal/effective tackle nor does the Defender have the time to look-up from their tackle position to see if they have the ball or not & if required, pull out of the tackle & step aside to allow the Dummy Runner to proceed without any hindrance. Which way do you officiate? In favour of the offence or defence? If in favour of the Defence, I suppose this idea would just lead the Defensive Line to become rigid/zonal as they wouldn’t need to track a Dummy Runner - just keep their line - but it would force the offensive/attacking side to be more creative. So, in favour of the offence or defence or can there be a fair compromise? Not any interpretations, a Black & White Law please…
Abs are good, but unfortunately they are not that feared team anymore. They just are not. And doubt that razor is gonna do it for them. But this is how it should be, it levels things out. The Springboks will be back. We played 50% of our potential and we still almost won against the irish. Even the all blacks struggle to beat the irish the last few years. The quarterfinal win was the first win in a long time
And the irish have the series win in nz. They didn't beat the abs by 1 or 2 points. It was 10 points and 12 points. So yeah the boks lost to the irish by 1 point this weekend, but I doubt that the abs would have done a better job. Look at how the abs struggled against England. 1st game England should have won cause abs were not supposed to get that last penalty. And 2nd game the abs got their act together last 15 minutes. It's good to see that the NH are getting better
NZ rugby pundits spoke well of Ireland always enjoy listening to them respect from Ireland
Your team is phenomenal and never give up! Congrats on getting one again SA
@@nzfreeski True but they sing the ABs praises too much. They have a long way to cstch up to Ireland.
@@caesarforlife1663NZ tv show.
@@nzfreeski thanks very much Frawley got Ireland over the line so hard to win in South Africa but good to win
Life-long Irish supporter: Well done NZ, a good start to Robertson & Co's tenure. ☘'s win against the Boks was nice. Hypothesising about the Irish stars left at home is bs. You play to your full abilities with the best players at your disposal on the day. The proof of skill and commitment is in the manner in which they perform; lose, or win. We comitted well, right to the end. Mr Kidney got us on that track initially. France U20's were bloody awesome! What a display. God bless NZ 🏴☠☘🤟👍
Ireland showed they can win without big names. That's scary for any opposition.
Good win for Ireland nice to see
There was a noticeable difference in the speed of the ball clearing the rucks when Ratima came on. His pass is very Aaron Smith like. It made a massive difference in the end with helping run the English rugged. Finlay is very combative which is probably needed early with sides like England and SA.
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I didn’t think his pass was like AS at all. Wasn’t that fast
There really wasn't. Ratima played well but he wasn't any quicker than Christie. His box kicks were too shallow. His decision making wasn't any faster. Still held the ball at the back of rucks. No disrespect to Ratima, I definitely think he is the future but he didn't set the world on fire on his debut
I agree with Jeff - keep playing DMac at 10. He played well and needs more time in the role. I think we should give Perofeta more time at 15 as well. BB is a known quantity, and this is a good year to test different players and combinations of lineups. I also wonder if we can play Rieko at winger again and slide someone else in at outside center
I personally don’t rate Perofeta, not even as a SR player but to be fair, he has filled in when required , in SR & ABs, & done a reasonable job but for me he has been around too long in the NPC/SR/AB scene without ever kicking-on since he was first announced as the Blues heir to King Carlos and tagged ‘Perafuture’ back in the day.
Given the inevitable return of Will Jordan with the prospect of Ruben Love gaining experience then the ABs would have sufficient cover of 15 if you include the likes of Beauden, DMac & Jordie so Perofeta may find himself on the outer.
Given that the likes of Fergus Burke, Aidan Morgan & Josh Ioane have recently announced their departure of NZ shores for NH deals, they could see the writing on the wall as to their future in NZ so good on them for taking their opportunities & I wish them all the best.
Razor & co will already know when Mounga is returning & knowing what Beauden can do at 10/15, this ‘walk’ is about developing depth/experience/options so giving DMac more time now at 10 is important for me as an option/cover/competition for/with Mounga. The eye to the future may already be on the likes of Zarn Sullivan, Taha Kemara, Josh Jacomb, Rico Simpson etc just to name a few but can/will any of them develop soon enough for RWC27 or are they the next wave for RWC31?
And as you say, can Reiko slip back out to the wing? If he does switch/morph into a 13/winger, being a winger himself, Reiko should learn to pass the ball out to the wing in a good space, not keep the ball & if, & that’s a big IF because he rarely passes to the outside, not eventually pass the ball when he has already closed the (previously) available space by his own running lines?
Is Leicester Fainga'anuku returning to NZ in time for RWC27? Would he slip back into ABs contention? If so, how would that complicate things ‘squad wise’ with his ability to play 13/Wing? More options or more complications? Given the ABs DNA, could Caleb follow in his Dad’s footsteps and also slip in as a 13 sometimes? Could Narawa transition/morph into a 13/Winger? Could Billy Proctor be a 13/winger option?
Exciting times ahead with hopefully plenty of sleepless nights & discussions due to the options that the ABs will/might have available on this ‘journey’.
with BB and Dmac in backfield plus Jacobson and ratima forward in last 20 minutes, it was fantastic! like chiefs rugby, ❤❤❤running opposition all over the place. put beaudy and dmac on together and start ratima. speed, unpredictable, smart kicking ❤
I think BB should stay at fullback, he was everywhere Dmac needed him to be where as Perofeta is still finding his feet at the back.
Christie is too slow. Ratima came on and delivered quicker ball, McKenzie looked way better when he got quicker ball. TJ and Christie are too slow, always looking for the chance to be a hero. Have Ratima starting, and the number 2 half back when Roygard comes back. TJ and Christie are number 3 and 4 half backs at best.
TJ is very slow
Ratima wasnt that much faster for me. Christie played well n his tackle on the England number 9 at the back of the scrum was class.
Yup we've got some great halfbacks coming through awesome stuff
Ratima gave bed and breakfast some sweet fast ball both of them turned a tiring pommie side . Soooo good
Agree!
It's a bit of a hard watch sometimes listening to ex-All Blacks who can't explain why we struggled in this series. Yes there's a new coaching team and the prep was short but it comes down to 3-4 key areas. 1. Lineout - we were poor, Otoje was great. Winning this possession makes a dramatic difference in our field position and possession. More ball and I'd have backed us to score points. 2. Kicking from Halfback - Scott Hansen believes we can build three world-class halfbacks. You can look no further than Dupont for the model. When he kicks from the base inside his 22, the ball is out near, or over halfway. We couldn't get it to the 10m line and for nearly 20 minutes we were pinned in our 22. This makes a massive difference in pressure on us and our ability to pressure the opposition. Also, our attacking box kicks were too deep and not contestable - again get this right and we win more possession and pressure the opposition. 3. Go Forward - Take a look at the Blues "Vern-Ball". When a Blues forward goes, he has a cleaner on each hip who helps drive him through the contact area usually winning another metre or two plus providing quick, clean ball to the halfback. Too often in this series, our forwards are running alone and the cleaners are late giving the opposition time to pressure our ball. 4. DMac is our 10 but run Beaudy at 15. I love Stephen, but while DMac finds his feet having Beaudy there gives him another voice and takes some load off. This will free both of them up to ignite our attack. I'm sure the coaches are on this, but these are the areas we need to tidy up before we hit South Africa. Do that and we'll be a good chance.
The overload move did not come from Andrew Goodman. Ireland ran it to score against France in the 6 Nations two years ago. Ireland normally play is for a goal line drop off return.
its amazing how NZ is such a small country and population yet for over 100 yrs we've got a great rugby record
Wow what a weekend 🙌 thanks to South Africa for hosting us, what a game what a kick and what a moment for Frawley. NZ, looking forward to you guys coming to Dublin in November, itll come around fast.
The All Blacks' job was to win the series....no more and no less. That's been achieved. England's job was to show something. That's been achieved. Now both sides have to build.
Good point - The AB tight play was elite. The AB scrum smashed England.. They need to get to the point where they can match the French and Book scrums.
Patterns of play will be developed..We all need to take the wins.
All blacks scrum were better than boks scrum in the finale World Cup and even with 14 men .
Today with the top props , all blacks scrum is so far better than scrum French and boks
Very good comments👍
Perofeta butchered a certain try when he passed outside to Telea when he had Jordie and Christie inside. He didn’t look both ways. Very poor vision and communication by the All Blacks in that play.
Such a good show - keep it up team!
For me, the England vs All Blacks games were two of the best to watch that I've seen in some time... both teams played positive attacking rugby and defended with everything - It's going to be a cracking game at Twickenham!!
All blacks have Wayne smith guru in the staff to innovate. Sure that Razor will review with him the series.
Last time I saw that much impact off the bench was when Carlos Spencer came on for the NZ Maori against the Lions in 2005. Absolute game changer.
England's defense was so good and stopped our momentum well into the 1st quarter 2nd half at the same time their tactic of tackling the ball carrier regardless if the ball is transferred takes the player out of the attack reduces the number on attack thereby reducing the threat
I think the SA V Ireland game was a true test and both these teams deserve to be 1 and 2 in the world.
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All blacks won vs Ireland in 1/4 and were stolen in the finale… they talk about 2 best teams ??😂😂😂😂😂
@@DrissZyani-bu5mo go watch the game you’ll understand.
Ireland and the boks are a little ahead of nz and England
@@Mark76556 agree but as the year goes on they will come closer together and hopefully more great competition and tests.
10 days together for Razor so normal the mistakes . A lot of work to do sure but they will improve. In November, we will see others all blacks with gameplan and combinations learnt and overall others players .
Ohh theyve had longer than that in camp but very impressive so far.
@@thedappercook how long have they had together exactly?
@@Intergalatikk January. Scott Robertson had a wider group together. Makes sense, 6 months to get to know eachother, flesh out the squad, flesh out any new coaching staff, the works. A very exciting time.
@@thedappercook But they haven’t been training together as a whole since then. They only got everyone in after the super final
@@Intergalatikk that's true, very true but that's all part of it.
Figuring out what Nic Berry wanted was i think our biggest issue. We were too conservative at the lineouts and with our onside play where England pused those points the whole game.
I have always respected Beaudy, despite what critics may say or think, not hard to see why he is the recipient of 2 IRB Player of the Year.Very humble.Correct me, Will Jordan is back playing NPC this weekend.Does this mean he will be considered for the Rugby championship Squad, also Razor had a preference for Will to play fullback while he coached the Crusaders.Maybe the whispers for Reiko back to the wing,to allow for a centre like Billy to create time and space for our wingers to negate the rush defence.Thats why Leon and Jason Holland are paid the big bikkies
See you at San Diego
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@@filixt9 toso Fiji toso
Jeff was saying Ireland were chokers last week and this week they are creative and exciting to watch. Pick a side of the fence!
Perofeta can't get us out of the 22.....we are stuck defensively when he's on the field.
Christie Perefota have not the level for the all blacks. Love Jordan will be in the squad
Could be a work on? He looked the goods game 1
I think a bit of calmness does wonders it's only their 2nd test and against a very good English team coming off a good 6 nations...can only get better from here
Need not see 2nd test to know that Christie and Perefota can’t be all blacks. We have better players than them.
@@DrissZyani-bu5mo thank god your not a coach
Wow Irish beat boks ...
that Ireland try looked like something right out of the NRL
Welcome to Andy Farrell-Mike Catt RL School.
Barrett will be 36 at next RWC, a legend he is but he'll be too old in '27. DMac needs trust and time.
BB got new Zealand over the line
He certainly helped.
If we don’t win by 50, why does everyone always talk like we lost. I think it’s rubbish. Winners should be grinners but NZ are never happy. If you didn’t know the scores and read or watched any commentary around the last 2 games, it would seem like we lost. Good job boys and coaching staff. Way to fight hard against another top world team and win the series 2-0
Irish supporter here. SA best in world. 4 WCs, 2 back to back. Can't possibly argue any different. Because its probably our fourth choice sport behind Gaa and soccer, we don't have the depth that SA or NZ have yet. But these wins the game is definitely growing in popularity. They've broken a lot of barriers down since the game went professional with one obvious one left to do...v proud of their performance on Sat and how they dug so deep.
Just keep picking the ex pat kiwis n saffas mate, context ALWAYS matters in regards to all your points.
Did you watch the WC final? NZ lost the game, the Boks didn't dominate them or anything though, one of the two missed conversions or one of the missed penalty kicks and it's the All Blacks as the champs.
Don't get me wrong, the Boks won and deserved the win, but it was insanely close. Quit trying to make it out as though it wasn't.
@@westsideAUKILANI Pacific islanders...
@@ashinch0rto be fair they did dominate the ABs when they had 15 players on the field. The game only turned after the red card and evened out🙂. Think the Boks knew the pressure was now all on them as they were expected to win🙂 Also dont forget the game before the world cup where it was a demolition job by the Boks over the ABs🙂 so he has a point 🙂
Well mate seems like you are getting some good depth now🙂. Even your u20 junior teams are good. I wouldn't be surprised if it keeps rising for the Irish. They are an amazing rugby team and I was super nervous for the SA series for that exact reason 🙂
Beauden is and has been our best 10 since DC. He has the vision on field and should start every time. Let the others fit around him.
Bnb needs to keep coming off the bench, Dmac and Stevie just need more game time, let's not get too critical, England are a very good team but the ABs are too, I'm confident the ABs can go 14 - 0 this calendar year💪
Should always be the goal, James Parsons is the only other that wont speak out a NZ loss
Well done NZ do injoy this show and cant wait to play ye in the autumn from an lrish fan😊
Just how good was Beauden from the bench? He was freakin unbelievable.
Mackenzie needs a fast 9 it showed when he had Cortez Ratima he was getting fast ball which kept England on their toes. Whoever is at 15 won’t really make a difference leave BB on the bench he has always played well there.
Love the show, especially Milsy!
no one knows what the plan is , Razor seems to be trying to reinvent the wheel, he cleaned house and took out personal that would have contributed to helping him rebuild, but Razor cleaned out wanted it all his way, .nothing wrong wtih the players, they are match fit, hes got 30+ coaching team, too many voices coming left right and center.,
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Beauden was good as impact player. Dmac was the player of the game though he doesn't get acknowledged for many of his amazing touches
Rassie cares he wanted to beat every team this year and Ireland stoped that. 3 teams will fight or 4 if France wake up for No 1 place in the world this year.
There's legal issues with member of the team, renouval of génération, Galtier doubt on his system, injury and Dupont on 7th , the lost on quater destroyed everything, futhermore the way it was ( referees hightly suspected being paid basicaly or clearly unqualified)
France won't wake up till some month, time to find a new thing, effective of player, JO, be behind,
2 from 2, lineouts for me need fixing, but im very happy with razor and the boys
Love and miss Brad Thorn! Unreal motor and passion
One big regret about Beauden's game - that the kick of the ball down the touchline in the fourth quarter was defended by the English player. Without that, it would have been one of the top five plays in rugby history. Now it will be largely forgotten. Damn.
You need the whole 8 to lead from the front. Forwards open doors like a key than the backs can play the tune they want to play. At the moment its 1 step forward and 3 steps back. You need props like Pisolo and Tamati with Aumua with locks like Barret and Darry to smash up the opposition 8. This instills confidence in the back 7. The ABs were lucky that Ford or Farrel were not playing 10. The ABs could have lost the series.
Still be equal if Aaron Smith and Richie Mounga would play. 😂
When they moved him away from flyhalf I was relieved as a South African. I have always rated Beaudan as the best back in the all blacks side. So we going to be in alot of trouble come the Rugby championship.
Blady boks was winning two cups with kicking and line outs😜🙈!
Boks without stunning kickers would be old english rugby with concrete defence?
Boks how many games winning with try's?
Tries what the hell is that...
20 minutes on end was 15 minutes blady nice fast quickly running, passing and total pressure. .
The very good AB sides have been the ones that more often than not win those arm wrestle matches! We saw this from the Aussies late 90's early 2000 and then the AB's through their golden streak (which included two world cups). Hopefully this team can do the same with those close games! England on the other hand have lost so many of their close games that the truly good teams dont.
Kirwan cutting off Mils to tell his dumb BB joke.
Just typical of JK.
Has no capacity to restrain any impulse for self-indulgence.
Rude.
@@Knowyourintent Narc
Mils never finishes a point,just goes onto the next one
@@davidpeters3857 So just let kirwan speak over him?
tactical misplays from england in the last 30. beaudy was at the back and is particularly strong at recovering from those little chip kicks into the corner and we saw him punish them for it. He's historically not as great under the high ball so if any sort of kick had to be made it should have been an up and under. He was on quite a heater though so i wouldnt put it past him to have taken those calmly aswell.
did BB learn the craft of judging the bounce of a kicked ball playing gaelic footy when he was young in ireland? would be a good story if true
DMac and BB together are hard to defend. One or the other makes it easy for Defence. Give them time together they are brilliant attackers.
England only 3rd place in the 6 nations. SA have similar rush defence and much stronger scrum than England. Tough two tests in prospect. Argentina and Australia shouldn't pose too many problems but Schmidt might have other ideas.
I saw all blacks better than boks overrated in the finale World Cup and only helped by referee .
Stop with boks overrated.
Razor all blacks will smash them in one month
Jeff Wilson very clever with his analysis
We need a young new lock. If those 2 are our locks going forward we are in trouble. Patrick tuipulotu is only there because of retirements otherwise he would never be in the squad. Hes been in and out for over 10 years. Hes always been good for the blues but not the all blacks. We also need Shannon Frizell back. Finau just isnt the same.
Hopefully Lord gets over his injuries. Darry has a ton of potential and Holland will be available next year. I don't rate Vaai at all. Scott Barrett is world class.
@@AK-wc9rl the thing is, vaai has always been ahead of patrick
Vaai and Lord need to bulk up. If they both could bulk up and keep their form they would have serious potential. Even Georgias 2 locks are bigger then the both of them
@@richieflood3923Really don't see what Vaii offers. At least Patrick can bend the line.
Agree. Both Lord and Vaii need to bulk up. It's a real mystery to me how we have the largest PI population in the world and along with our Maori people, we don't seem to produce huge athletes. Maybe it's because our coaches at every level have always preferred mobility over size.
@@AK-wc9rlpolys don't actually produce many lock sized players
Our box kick is utterly pointless. God knows why we bother with it.
My Two Cents: Beauden AKA 'Super Impact Player' Barret MUST Keep his Vital Role. Why? He sees 'What MUST be Done' from the outside and Comes In to Win the Games for US.
He probably instinctively looks at the game/ gameplan from the sideline and comes on with a different lens as the others.
I like the idea of him starting fullback while DMac gains confidence. He is 100% a game winner and at games I’ve gone to in the past, I have noticed a massive increase in communication when he comes on
Christie was to slow at making decisions imo. Ratima & BB changed the game
We need hoskin sotutu
Not right now
Be interesting to see BB behind a dominant forward pack like the Blues, whether he's starting or not.
Asofa aumua is brilliant. Cody sometimes struggle.
It's laughable to suggest that N.Zealand are a team in transition The squad have been together for years mostly and most have played regular test rugby Emgland had 8 players with less than10 caps That is a team in transition
NZ players missing from RWC23: Sam Cane, Sam Whitelock, Brodie Retalic, Ritchie Mounga, Samisoni Tauekeiaho, Shannon Frizzel, Leicester Faingaanuku, Aaron Smith, Dane Coles, Will Jordan, Cam Roigard. Add a new coach & you definitely have a team in transition.
They’ve lost over 500 caps in Retallick, Whitelock, Smith and Coles……let alone the other players not available now like Frizzel who was the first choice 6.
@@SuperEdge67 England also lost over 500 caps of experie4nce it means sod all The fact is that MOST OF THE ABs PLAYERS ARE OLD HEADS AT TEST RUGBY Having been playing it for YEARS While England had 8 players under 10 caps starting N.Zealand are not a team in transition LOL
@@user-no4kz9zm4c Denial is the first stage of grief..heal bro.
For me the number of Caps can be mis-leading. A player might have 10 Caps but those 10 might have all been off the bench in the last few mins of each game when the game was already won/lost so in reality that could maybe only have 20-30 mins of actual playing time & some of those mins might have been against a Tier 2 Country or when the game had already gone one way or the other etc.
To allow a fairer comparison, I would like to see a breakdown of the Caps, Starting Playing Minutes, Off the Bench Playing Minutes, Opposition Tier etc. With all of the data at hand maybe even minutes by Location/Ground, what was the score when they came on off the Bench, was the game already won/lost when they came on off the Bench, when they came on off the Bench was it a tactical/injury/sympathetic substitution etc.
Could there be some kind of algorithm, heaven’s forbid something like the World Rugby Rankings, that would give an added weighting to mins starting in a RWC Final as opposed to bench mins in a ‘jolly’ of game against much weaker opposition as part of whatever competition or a friendly where ‘CAPS’ are rewarded?
Can ‘Time in Camp’ be supplied/analysed or used for comparison’s sake?
Can similar stats also be given for a Coach, their Coaching Role or the Coaching Group as a whole?
I’m into data…
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Not bad for early days of footy. England was just really good.
Mitchell sniping and Smith finding gaps is something we've not seen much from england's 9 and 10 for a while...long may it continue as they made inroads. maybe ABs werent expecting it.
Don't worry about innovation right now. The ABs must first learn to do the basics right and get some rugby intelligence and a physical presence. Perofeta butchered a try as he can't complete an inside pass and battles out of position! Tuipiloto at 5, is a complete waste of space on the field. He is lazy and loiters around on the field. How you get worse in line outs from one week to the next in lineouts is also worrisome. Rieko also needs to be taught that sometimes, he has to pass that ball and not hold onto it forever in a day. He is a predictable player, who lacks off loading abilities, which at centre is very worrisome. This Team will get worse before they start getting better, and they are simply light years away from the standards set by SA and Ireland.
Is there any other sport where being rated number 1 seems such an obsession, would South Africa or Ireland swap a world cup or six nations etc for the number 1 position?
Yer like the pod. Only cos makes sense to me more than most.
1. Finlay Christie isn't him. Roigard can't return soon enough.
2. This program needs an ex-All Black forward as a panellist.
First receivers standing too wide and flat again - gives defence time and takes sting out of quick go forward - and yes the english halfback was super sharp.
It's not enough for the ABs to learn how to beat the rush defence. We also need to incorporate it into our own repertoire too
I don't know about that, one thing that was clear over two games was that the English faded before the end.
Rush d is hard to sustain for 80 minutes
@Mysterx1440 the difference was the bench h that's all. ABs had the better bench
Dmac is more impact player and too small. Give him his time for sure because we need several strong options. Foster didn’t build anyone up because he was focused on not losing.
Yeah the girls all class looked very sharp as always. Poms and France will be tough but but the Black Ferns are tougher and better 😎🤙🤙
Can't keep relying on Beauden Barrett for that necessary spark needed to win, too many virtually anonymous players on the field, they're doing what they need to
Just how good is Beaudy he needs to start really at 10
Beauden was incredible on attack and sucked quite a bit on defence. His kicking wasn't as aimless as it usually is, but if you start him I fear we'll see his same tendency to kick too often come to the fore.
The tension between Goldie and J.K. 😳
SPRINGBOKS game plan, kick, kick, kick, penalty, penalty 💤🥱💤🥱💤🥱💤🥱 boring.
Don't get them started 😂
also only beat all Black's with 12 players
At the end of it all…. Greatest team to ever play the game. Most world cups victories than any other country. Please put some respect…😊
@@siyabongankalane7858 Okay but what team has a winning record against the AB's?
Nas Botha must be assistant coach
2 from 2, done - move on, improvement to come
great stuff
McKenzie is great but we need a Aaron Smity to give him space eg Ratina and Roigard when fit
I know exactly what Mils is thinking and feeling! Getting cut off, when he is explaining & always being countered by the blondie. If Mils in the panel had to say "I'm surrounding by idiots who don't care about my opinion?" Instead it became about who cooked breakfast in bed...
Are JKs glasses even more killer now?
New era, 2 wins. As a Bok fan I don't understand the negativity around beating a solid England team. You guys can easily make it 2 - 0 here. Momentum and building. Boks struggling for identity and losing A team replacements to injury.
Not sure why you guys are talking about DMac not being there. He's the number 10 and has played well over this series. Pair him with BB who played outstanding. Also, the answer for quick ball is Ratima. Christie is so slow. How come these guys can't see it? I admit he's great defensively. I'd give Rieko a break. His season with the Blues was average, and he's transitioned that form to test match footy this year. Start ALB and bring in Proctor on the bench.
Barret, ratima, aumua start and add sititi on bench for Fiji game
They are very careful to criticise on this show but it wasnt said. But I just dont think Christie is the guy. He actually did alot of good stuff but just not good enough at this core role. Ratima was great dont get me wrong but Christie is what made him look so good. Noah Hottam is a star in the making. I hope next week Ratima starts with Noah on the bench we need to invest in the players who are good enough and fiji a perfect team to do it against.
How many times can they say DNA in one hour? Get a new term that is actually meaningful.
My DNA was found in the back of a black Sedan
Just like “in terms of”
Great rugby team - no doubts there. Jersey design a little off though, ALL BLACKS. ??
Dang England really had a bad weekend
SA number one for me as a kiwi - WC title and 1-1 w/ Ireland
@@westsideAUKILANI I call them number one at the moment - keep up son
@@dbellnzbell6 yeah I know lol, weird considering the rugby championship hasnt started. Bit of a meaningless statement basically lol
'It's coming home twice' from the pommy lass. Maddie will come home first before any trophies.
Beauden 10 mckenzie 15 going forward for me
But Jordan coming , he is the 15 .
@@DrissZyani-bu5moshardup he will be on the wing
Mo'unga/10, DMac/15, Beauden/Impact. Missed Jordan. England smothered us around the ruck/maul, needed to get the ball wider and faster. Kirwan's an idiot. Gotta question some of Razors selections
BnB should be given the 10.
We are short one more power running forward, start Jacobson. Ratima should start pending TJ. DMac is fine. Perofeta and Bed and Breakfast good interchange...Weak in midfield, maybe move Telea to centre with Ioane, Jordie to bench Clarke on wing...pending Jordans return.
Christie is too slow and certainly is our 4th best half back if that.
MacKenzie is not the 10 NZ is looking for.
where's Shannon Frizzel?
Playing in Japan
@@bassk9939they finished six weeks ago 😊
@@dazfromnz01 Sorry you’re correct. I meant he’s contracted in Japan. I misinterpreted the OP’s comment as asking about Frizzel’s availability.
John Kirwan should get in touch with the Proclaimers Craig and Charlie Reid and give then the thick rimmed spectacles back.😄
Beauden was good . How ever McKenzie showed some of his old faults on defense. McKenzie isn't able to consistently take the next step up to test level. Talea also was caught out of position several times on defense. At test level rugby this cannot happen.
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Got change the 9 christie solid nothing more guys combo dm and his chiefs mate against fiji give proctor start with barrett canes combo-- both wings give rest start bb 15
Foward thinking barrett number8 savea and jacbson give both other locks start-- captain can go in there if needed later game front riw ton talent😁🖤💯💪
In reference to Goldie’s analysis of scoring tries with the use of Dummy Runners, while I like attractive rugby & good/smart moves. my take on the Dummy Runners, is that once the Dummy Runner is ahead of the Ball Carrier & there is any contact to a Defender, within a reasonable radius of the Baller Carrier & not the Defender milking the contact, then that should be ruled as obstruction/blocking/crossing & a penalty/free0kick awarded to the Defence.
Sometimes a Defender is penalized for tackling a Dummy Runner ‘off the ball, without the ball or early’ when the Defender had already committed to the tackle given the actions of the Ball Carrier & the Dummy Runner. The Defender doesn’t always have the time to react to the ball being passed & getting into position for a legal/effective tackle nor does the Defender have the time to look-up from their tackle position to see if they have the ball or not & if required, pull out of the tackle & step aside to allow the Dummy Runner to proceed without any hindrance. Which way do you officiate? In favour of the offence or defence?
If in favour of the Defence, I suppose this idea would just lead the Defensive Line to become rigid/zonal as they wouldn’t need to track a Dummy Runner - just keep their line - but it would force the offensive/attacking side to be more creative.
So, in favour of the offence or defence or can there be a fair compromise? Not any interpretations, a Black & White Law please…
ALL BLACKS BEST TEAM IN THE WORLD 💪💪💪
RWC Winners are the best team.
😂😂😂😂 lekke Joke Boet,Are u a stand up Comedian
Abs are good, but unfortunately they are not that feared team anymore. They just are not. And doubt that razor is gonna do it for them. But this is how it should be, it levels things out. The Springboks will be back. We played 50% of our potential and we still almost won against the irish. Even the all blacks struggle to beat the irish the last few years. The quarterfinal win was the first win in a long time
And the irish have the series win in nz. They didn't beat the abs by 1 or 2 points. It was 10 points and 12 points. So yeah the boks lost to the irish by 1 point this weekend, but I doubt that the abs would have done a better job. Look at how the abs struggled against England. 1st game England should have won cause abs were not supposed to get that last penalty. And 2nd game the abs got their act together last 15 minutes. It's good to see that the NH are getting better
Very true