Hainault: From Rags to Residents
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- We continue our voyage along the eastern Central Line with a look at the station that was so unpopular that it closed 5 years after opening.
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We keep coming back for your wit like going to Papua New Guinea.
Timika is in Papua, Indonesia not PNG. Two different countries. A bit like Essex and London being different :-p
@@russellwhitbread thanks
And Hainaut is actually in Belgium…
_Hainault, Hainault! Don't dream it's over..._
Drat, I thought I was the only one with this exact thought.
Every time I see this place, that's all I'll think now... 🤣
🤣🤣🤣
So funny. fun fact: the song is supposed to be "don't dream, it's over" as in a phrase that's more appropriate for Epping....END OF THE LINE, but many people hear it as "don't dream (that) it's over"
I went to London for the first time since lockdown this week. I saw so many things on the underground that I had never noticed before, just because your videos brought them to my attention. Thank you, Jago, for enriching my life just a little bit more.
Glad I could be helpful!
Did nobody else notice the classic Geoff Marshall 'bin bags blowing in the wind' shot?
You've got that completely wrong, Hainault is in Upper Mongolia.
Is that near Lower Mongolia?
@@BibtheBoulder 🤔 Yes it is, close by Outer Mongolia. I gather the service is used mainly by Yaks and Camels . . . !
That’s a good analogy for the amount of mongheads walking around
In turn that is Rightful ROC Clay(TM)!
Well that answers the question of how they got to Millstone Manner when their Dung was so low.
I miss the good old days when London was London Essex was Essex Kent was Kent and Sussex was something you only read about in books.
And Middlesex was Middlesex
@@ChristopherNFP And Surrey was somewhere you went never to be seen again
Ah, yes. Essex, Middlesex, Sussex, Wessex, and Nossex please we're British.
And there’s East Sussex and West Sussex and people from one get very upset if you think they’re from the other.
@@JagoHazzard Or they get upset at being called either East or West Sussex because it all used to be just Sussex.
For me, Hainault's full station name is: "Hainault via Newbury Park" with a very slight pause before the word 'via'.
'Hainault' is also part of the Woodford via Hainault station.
Exactly,like small print at the end of a contract
If you travel to Bedford on Thameslink there is some glitch in the automated announcement syntax that raises the infection of the last syllable when that is the final station on the route, Like the computer isn't really sure "The next station is Bedford?"
I used to live in Hainault and some days going home in the rush hour, if I missed my Hainault train I'd jump on the Epping train but only if my calculations were correct and once at Woodford the loop train would pull in a minute later and I'd have an immense feeling of satisfaction rewarded with a real scenic journey over the top of the loop.
Coming out of the station, turn right and there used to be a bakers on the corner, after an evening dancing in The Green Man at Walthamstow the smell of baking would draw us to the side door where we would get given jam doughnuts. Many happy memories
This was very interesting as I have known the eastern part of the Central Line since childhood, growing up in Loughton. The line from Woodford to Ilford was indeed a GER line opened on 1st May 1903 and after curving in a great arc through Chigwell and Grange Hill ran south to a triangular connection with the GER main line east of Ilford station although the eastern spur was for freight only. The reason it was originally called the Fairlop Loop was that the first trains to use the line from 1903 paused at the station of that name for several minutes to fit in with the running times of trains on the GER main line and on the Loughton, Epping and Ongar branch. The town of Ilford began to spread out northwards with suburban housing in the 1930s and a residents' committee began to campaign for better rail links and this was solved under the New Works scheme of 1935 by transferring the Loughton line to the LU Central Line and building a new tunnel section through north Ilford from Leytonstone to Newbury Park on the Fairlop Loop. The coming of World War Two in 1939 set the scheme back (just as it did converting the Alexandra Palace branch in north London to the Northern Line) although the new tunnel section for the Central Line was virtually complete and its whole length was converted into a wartime secret underground factory of the Plessey company for the manufacturing of aircraft components and which came complete with a narrow gauge railway. Such was the importance of the Central Line extensions after the war (unlike the Ally Pally branch which, once promised a bright new future, was closed instead in 1954), work resumed almost immediately after 1945 and the first extension of Central Line trains from Liverpool Street to Stratford opened on 3rd December 1946. Trains were extended to Leytonstone on 5th May 1947, accessing the Loughton line by a new junction west of Leyton station and on 14th December of the same year, the new underground section from Leytonstone to Newbury Park was finally opened, along with electrification of the Loughton line as far as Woodford. Newbury Park to Hainault was electrified on 31st May 1948 when the line became known as the Hainault Loop, simply because there had been enough land there to provide a 344 car depot for the line and with a rebuilt island platform on the west side of the station, this could be adapted as a terminus, thereby overtaking Fairlop in importance which was closed on Sundays from 1958 and all weekend from 1970 but is now open full-time again. The northern section of the loop from Woodford to Hainault along with Woodford to Loughton was electrified for Central Line tube trains on 21st November 1948. The short section of the 1903 line between Newbury Park and Ilford was left out of the Central Line scheme and abandoned, the junction with the ex-GER main line became occupied by Ilford carriage sidings. The stations on the loop still wear a gloriously GER atmosphere, the best two being Barkingside and Chigwell which, apart from LU roundels, look virtually the same as they did when they opened 120 years ago. Newbury Park, Fairlop and Grange Hill station platforms are still pure GER but their entrance buildings were replaced by more modern structures when they became part of the Central Line. Roding Valley was a later addition by the LNER, opened as Roding Valley Halt in 1936 and was upgraded to a station and rebuilt in 1948. Wanstead, Redbridge and Gants Hill (the latter originally to have been called Cranbrook) on the 1947 tube section between Leytonstone and Newbury Park were all brand new at the time. Gants Hill's lower concourse is based on the stations on the Moscow Metro and Redbridge is unusual in being a tube station that was built on the cut-and-cover method just below the surface and requiring only steps to the shallow platforms unlike the escalators at the truly deep-level Wanstead and Gants Hill. Kind regards, David, Crouch End, N8.
I thought the turbulent tale of Hainault was when someone moved the Franco-Belgian border by a couple of metres?
the Tim traveller reference?
@@petitkruger2175 Absolutely. Both he and Jago are masters of sarcasm mixed with terrible puns. :)
The surviving parts of Hainault Forest are well worth a visit - most of it was destroyed in Victorian times, the outcry over this led to the preservation of other areas like Epping Forest
Thanks for the memory. I used to travel up to Aldgate from Hainault for my first job at 16. Used to live up the road on Manford Way in a prefab. A wonderful childhood with the country so close.
As a child I spent summers with my great aunt and uncle who lived almost across the road from the station and whose garden backed onto the tracks, they bought the house new when they developed the farm. That station was my gateway with them to visiting London museums and the city, so many fond memories. Thank you for posting this.
The creation of Greater London has caused some confusion that still refuses to go away but I like telling people that I was born in Essex and raised in London without having to move home.
Thanks for this, this is my local station. Learnt some interesting facts! As for the London or Essex: was Essex until Greater London came about in the 1960s, is now London (by a matter of a metres really)
Nice camera Jago,but even if you recorded the videos on an old Nokia i would still watch,worry not
Fine curved glass on that ArtDeco shelter
When i went on the One and a half foot lift it got stuck half way, The Fire Brigade had to rescue me by putting a brick on the floor for me to stand on.
I had to laugh at this. Do they have a special part of the fire engine where they store the brick or, as with fire hydrants, do they have them strategically placed around London.
@@bigblue6917 - Of course they do! Have you never heard of ‘Fire Bricks’? 🔥🧱
They should put a brick behind glass. So in case of emergency with the lift, smash glass to retrieve brick. Although, you might need a brick to smash the glass to retrieve the emergency brick.
@@barneypaws4883 I believe the short ladder chained to the emergency brick's container, is used to break the glass when necessary.
@@AtheistOrphan That's what they are used for.👍😊
Alternative name for the line: The Fairlopian Tube?
THAT'S probably why they changed the name to the Hainault Loop!!
@@ianmcclavin According to QI...Hainault is pronounced "Anal" by the locals !
@@musicgarryj LOL
2:09 That's my old street - Thanks for including it. I credit Hainault Station and the depot for sparking my interest in trains as a child.
I grew up in Hainault, attended Copice Primary then onto Kingswood. Many happy memories, love the video. I worked in London used Hainault Station many many times.
Sandy I also went to coppice & kingswood.coppice from 1964-69 & Kingswood from 60-1975
And you are the provider of stuff, hmmm, stuff I like to view, with pleasant explanations of what I'm enjoying viewing. And I'm the receiver
of stuff that you provide, like, hmmm, I'm the recipient of some jolly good train cinematography, with historical content. So thanks Jago!
The confusion between whether stations are in London or Essex comes from the fact that the postal address is still classed as *ESSEX* - but they are in _the London Borough of Redbridge_
See also: Bromley, Kent.
Bromley is in London not Kent
@@luisstransport it's a similar scenario to what I've described above, postal address is Kent, but a London Borough
Try living in 'Dordon'. It is in Warwickshire, but when you write to an address there you write to:
Dordon (Warwickshire)
Nr Tamworth (Staffordshire)
B78 ('B' is for Birmingham which is in the West Midlands)
No wonder the locals get confused....
Or Twickenham, Middlesex - when Middlesex doesn't really exist at all...
The contrast between the original Edwardian section of the station and the latter Holden section is really quite something, distinct from one another yet somehow perfectly complementary. Beautiful.
As a Canadian who has visited family in London and suburbs many times, I considered anywhere the Tube went as "London" even though politically I was incorrect. I remember taking the Central Line up to Hainault to play a round of golf. Up all night but best round I've ever played!
Mr H, It's good to know that you can now make videos going forward. Walking backwards all the time must have been extremely tiresome. Another fascinating video, but you knew that already. Many thanks. Simon T
These days, the Hainault - Woodford section isn't operated as a self-contained "shuttle" any more, but by the extension of the odd "Hainault via Newbury Park" train through to Woodford. They still do some funny operations in the peaks. So from Roding Valley or Chigwell, it's usually still quicker to go via Woodford and change, even though you can get to Central London without changing going via the delights of Western New Guinea!
My grandparents moved here to a new house in the 30s - the tube station being essential. He worked for plessey in the un used central line / underground factory during the war .
Thank you for this video - it really cheered me up. My late partner lived right next to Hainault Station with her mother, and used this line a lot. I remember with some fondness when I pointed out that I'd never actually been around the separate part of the Hainault loop, and so we took a pleasant detour to get back, going via Woodford just for my pleasure. Your talk about Hainault having the shallowest lift (a foot and a half) was particularly funny, because as my late partner developed severe psoriatic arthritis, we would often find ourselves using that lift, even though it was always quicker for me to use the stairs (I think there's three or four, which means it's probably the equivalent of a 15 story building...). Anyways, thanks for this video and allowing me to reminisce about fond memories of me and my late partner...
Well well well your on my Manor Mr jaggo. You have done my local stn very proud keep up the good work
I used to live in Hainault when I younger, I moved away from the area when I was 6. I have some great memories of getting the tube from Hainault into central london.
The big thrill of my early childhood in London was regularly getting the Central Line from Perivale right across the Universe to Newbury Park, to see my godmother there. Hainault was a mythical destination, never quite reached, but essential in plans. (I was only about 7 years old. Gawd, different times)
Delighted you are happy with your new equipment. Enjoy using it. We love the previous videos because of the content and presentation, now they will be even better.
Agree that it's the content that keeps us coming back, and I've thought about commenting before, but always left it unsaid, there's often bad flicker on electric lights in the videos, is there a 50Hz/60Hz setting you could try changing?
@@andyburns apparently, cheaper LED bulbs will flicker on videos/live streaming broadcasts. but I know what you mean.
An Artwardian station situated in .... the island of Great Britain. And a completely pointless lift included in the design. There was an elevator that was scared of heights, in "The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy".
If Hainault's was imbued with existential awareness, it could sit at the bottom of its shaft and sulk but no one would notice.
I always wondered why there was never any trains going around the complete loop back in the 1960s , Thanks for explaining that .
I used to go to school in Buckhurst Hill during the 1960s and when we first heard of the driverless trains we couldn’t wait to get on them and have a go . It’s just a shame that they never built Roding Valley station a bit closer to my school and it would’ve saved me the 1 mile walk from Buckhurst Hill .
My first thought upon starting the video was "That's a new sound.", and now I'm not sure whether you have a deep voice or not! The deeper sound seemed to have bit more character, but the puns and jokes deliver much better on the new stuff.
In the mid-eighties, I used to work for a kitchen design and fitting company on the industrial estate about a mile up the road. Five days a bloody week I used to trog up to Hainault station. and then walk the mile or so to work. I remember in 1987 that those of us who survived the Great Storm and travelled to work on the Underground all made it into the office. All the managers with their fancy company cars failed.
Our Managing Director was somewhat scathing about that at the time.
The Essex/London divide is something to which I can relate. Up north, I grew up in a town called Stockport - taking the train into Manchester from London Euston, when you cross the large viaduct just before getting in to Manchester Piccadilly, Stockport is the town underneath you. It's famous for a glass pyramid (an office block which used to house the Co-Op Bank but is now vacant), Victorian millinery (there's a hat museum), and for inflicting on our Green & Pleasant Land one of the ugliest buildings in the country (the Redrock lesiure centre, built on the car park that used to be behind Debenhams, won the Carbuncle Cup for 2018). Anyway, where it intersects with this video is that since the Seventies Stockport has officially been part of Greater Manchester - but the family always kept on putting "Cheshire" down on addresses, because it sounded classier.
Thanks for another fascinating video, Jago. Location-wise, Hainault is within the London Borough of Redbridge, and TFL buses run there too. So it's firmly in the London part of Essex (at least it's not in Middlesex - that wouldbe confusing 😉). 👍🏾♥️
Ilford, Barking, Barkingside, Fairlop, Hainault etc were in Essex. In fact the boundary between Manor Park and all the London postal distrct areas West from there was the River Roding at Ilford, where I recall the sign proclaiming the change to Essex. Postal adresses were - and still have Essex as part of it, but has been eroded over the years with the advent of Post Codes. Interestingly the ex RAF WW2 air base situated at Fairlop was featured in some grandiose scheme for a 3rd London Airport on cessation of the hostilities which rendered it redundant. It never came to fruition owing to site constraints with the railway embankment at one end - and money. The airfield became a gravel pit and is now lost under the Fairlop Waters leisure park. 40 years later they built London City airport in the Docks - and the DLR that serves it!
Till I get to return to London these videos so help!
I started working for London Underground in 1970 as a "Railway Operating Apprentice", Hainault Signal Cabin was one of my many, along with Woodford Signal Cabin early working locations. A point of interest to some maybe was the Father of "Jimmy Greaves, the footballer" was a Train Driver at Hainault Depot.
Yup, worked here as well😂😂😂😂. The refurb was a nightmare. The tiles were too perfect as they were made in a newer kiln rather than the older ones. Took ages to finally get them how they wanted. The lifts were also a newish design, machine room less ones, meaning no pump room with machinery in it. Easier for staff to use in event of them failing. The small lift is more like what you would find on the back of a van, if memory serves me right you have to hold the button constantly to travel up and down. Was deemed cheaper to install that rather than lower the floor levels in the station. It covers the height of 3 steps
You have solved a deep-seated problem for this non-Brit, Jago, ever since I found it on my TfL tea-towel bought at the museum in Covent Garden - the pronunciation of Hainault. I've tried various combinations: Hayno, Haynolt, Haynorlt, then tried those three again with Hay replaced by Hy. Ze Inglish she is a poozle. And you have come up trumps again with this video. Grateful thanks.
Even the subtitles are confused. The video starts: "Today I'm in Heynolt. Haynolt is a station..."
I always used to imagine it was pronounced Hai-no, as per Renault
Alan Davies from QI says it is pronounces Ay-nal. Freudian slip, anyone?
I never expected my comment to be echoed from up there. You lot are up early, it's 18.45 here. Great.
@@brucewilliams8714 Lucky you! If I started drinking now, people would give me funny looks. (09.50 here)
For rail enthusiasts, this would preseumably be deemed a truly heart-warming tale?
....and residents of West Papua.
😆😆🤣😂 Your sense of humor is fantastic 🤣👍👍 A very informative video as always, can wait to see London again.
Always surprised to see a dislike on these videos. I can only assume it’s your nemesis 🤣🤣🚂🚂
Keep up the good work fella and stay safe!
They don't seem to realise that dislikes are still positive on here, thanks to the way the algorithm works...
Descendants of Yerkes, probably
It's probably Geoff Marshall because he planned to do a Hainault video too, and now he has to reshoot it to include more allotments... :P
@@DaVane Grange Hill as the most disused station isn't anymore since so many TH-camrs are going there to talk about it. Some days you can hardly get on the train for all the commentators, camera folk and so on :)
I love this part of the Central line.🌝
At school at Tredegar Square in Bow, we had to travel to Fairlop by Central Line for our games lessons.
As usual, highly entertaining, hugely informative, and free at the point of use. What's more, now in super-duper high quality.
What's not to like - thank you.
A train/transport geek who is happy to call himself an idiot... a rare breed!
The reason I love Jago's videos is his humour.
I doff my hat to you, sir! >
Beautiful video quality, which matches the excellent content. 👏👏👍😀
Glad to hear about your equipment upgrade
I once fell asleep on the Central line and woke up in Hainault, where I had to wait for half an hour for the next train. I have missed my exam. I have lost my gloves. Crying in Hainault at 8am, those were the days.
Impossible to troll someone who calls himself an idiot.
Further to your comments on the development Hainault, it's worth noting that RAF Fairlop (now the site of Fairlop Waters) was a satellite station for places like RAF Hornchurch. Twice, once between the wars and once in 1947, there were proposals to create a commercial airport on the site. `Either would have had the potential to make Hainault a very busy station indeed.
love the videos been a subscriber for over a year now! keep up the good work!
I was a project manager on the Central Line and managed the installation of that green pedestrian bridge and the new Offices it serves. It was installed with a huge crane from 65m away and 25m below the track over the building and tracks. Thanks for bringing back memories of happy days on the Central Line.
The dual historical architectural styles are interesting together. Real styles, neither is that soul-less stuff.
3.20. That building is the signal cabin ..
I was one of the last signalmen, before the cabin closed permanently..
Happy days👍
Brilliant, your witty commentaries make my day and increase my knowledge of London Underground at the same time.... Drew
Just want to say, PROPS FOR GOING OUT AND GETTING ALL THIS FOOTAGE FOR US,, respect man🤟🏻🤟🏻
Once again, very good & thank you
Brilliant commentary... 😁😁👍🏽👍🏽
It seems a lot of the distant suburban stations were built under "Field of Dreams' rules... "If you build it, they will come"
Jago's narration should be used for people suffering from anxiety and depression . You suddenly realise just how good this world is .
To fix that for you, all of the stations on the Hainault Loop except for Chigwell, Roding Valley, and Wanstead, are in Ilford, which is in Greater London. The comments were wrong.
Your videos are always great. I don't usually comment but thank god someone finally said about driverless trains and how it has been around for so long. The most frustrating thing when someone says something about it being scary/dangerous. Keep up the good videos
Beautifully filmed!
Just seen that your videos have had 16.6 million views!!! That’s a seriously big number. Completely deserved too.
One of my favourite channels by far.
Jago is my morning eye opener to my lazy morning peepers.
Always good informative content, regardless of equipment used. Thank you!
Please go back and record the lift. There's exactly one mention of it on the internet (Geof Marshall's book) and a grand total of ZERO videos of it.
I see a ‘TH-cam Short’ of the 18” lift in this channel’s future :-)
Got to agree.👍 I wasn't completely sure if Mr.H. was serious or not but, if there's an 18-inch lift 𝑎𝑛𝑦𝑤ℎ𝑒𝑟𝑒, I'd love to see it. How on earth can they justify that? Surely a ramp could be installed in the same footprint?
Wish I'd read this reply before I wasted ten minutes of my life searching the internet.
@@PreNeanderthal 😂😂😂😂
@@PreNeanderthal Same. The best I got was one line in the Hainault wiki page
Another winner.
Lots of info I didn’t know and as always you got me laughing in the morning so that’s always a bonus.
I love the style of this station. I’m a big fan of the Art Deco stuff. The Edwardian half is really cool too but the Art Deco is more my thing.
Have a brilliant wicked Jago/all.
Thank you for doing Papa New Guinea as it brought back many memories from childhood. My grandparents lived there (Hainault that is) and my grandfather was a motorman at Hainault depot until his untimely death in 1974. Remember the Craven 60 stock with 1926 standard stock trailers and regularly having a cab ride to Woodford and back.
Ah sorry about all that. I was born in Ilford (and grew up close to Hainault station) and the "Actually, I think you'll find we're technically London/ actually, we're in Essex" argument is how we locals tend to while away the hours. A local newspaper once ran a poll on this and the results of whether Ilford was in London or Essex were more or less 50/50! God help us if there's a referendum on the matter.
Excellent video, keep up the good work!
Hainault used to be shown as two terminus stations on the map, so it became the name of the "loop", even though no trains made the full circuit for many years.
I sometimes had to visit the depot, and only ever used the shorter side via Fairlop. In those days Grange Hill trains were few and far between.
One evening I had to wait for an IT job to complete, and as you do, you read any documents left lying around. That's where I found that the older stock trains drew 1.4MW. The newer stock drew 1.9MW, limited down from 2MW, but regenerative braking meant that the average consumption over the line was about the same.
Got a like from me for the New Guinea crack! XD I mean I probably would have liked the video anyway, but I particularly liked that bit. The preceeding bit reminds me that I was born in Kent and lived there for the first 6 years of my life, but every time I visit Kent, I almost feel like I'm visiting another country. This is because I was actually born in London. It was just a portion of London which was very technically Kent.
Wonderful as ever... "You are the depot to my Hainault Loop?..." just a thought.
wow! love how the new equipment is working!
Untill 1965, the outer boundary of the LCC north of Thames was the River Lea (except North Woolwich) - East and West Hams were County Boroughs of Essex and places east of that were definitely Essex.
Another great video. Thank you
Jago has upgraded his equipment, I am sure all his nearest and dearest are happy for him
Thank you so much, my uncle and cousins used this daily!!
Another great film ! Thank you jago , i just like the general overview of these stations
Reminds me of that baseball film " Field of Dreams", build it and they will come . I remember being given a survey form to fill out, when they open the new Canning Town station. One question asked, how many people a day would use the the station? How would I know that, unless I stood outside the entrances all day counting?
Talking of Canning Town entrances, for some reason, they decided to put a metal fence across the pavement ( from the kerb to the station) to prevent people going to the near by bus stop! So I had to walk in the road to get to the bus stop.
Excellent as usual Jago.
Something calming about looking at the semicircular end of the station.
Fantastic video as always but it’s your unique style that makes them so addictive. Hainault was close to where I was born and I’m the proud owner of a unique enamel sign directing passengers to platform 2 for trains to Grange Hill, Chigwell, Roding Valley and Woodford.
New Guinea is looking nice at this time of year.
Thanks Jago
Worked at that depot for 6 months around 10 years ago. Interesting video as always.
Jago - we wish you well with your brand-new equipment. We hope you will continue your wonderful filming as well...
You wanted to say we were your guinea pigs with your new equipment, but you stopped yourself. Just be yourself! I have watched your videos since covid started and love them all. The snippets of history are amazing and you have reminded me of London. I used to live in Surrey Quays. Was called Surrey Docks Station when I first moved there from Catford in 1987. Left London in 2007 moving to Kent. So your videos have been great for helping me keep attached to that big old smokey/sooty place called London! I still remember the East London Line as it was then. Now its the Overground. I travelled to practically every station when I worked for Red Cross travelling the city to teach company staff First Aid. I lived on the underground! Nowadays I go on a tube train once a year if that! Keep doing these videos....what will you do once you've covered every station?
New equipment! You are quickly becoming the Cecil B DeMille of the Tube. Time to make a 4 hour epic called -The Ten Commanding Stations - where you part the Thames and engrave the map of the underground on two stone tablets!
More quality historical entertainment, thank you.
Enjoy playing with your new equipment, its certainly enjoyable for us.
I've always been happy with your videos LOL LOL Again another very informative video.
Good report Jago~
Jago- Thank you for this amusing video on Hainault. I went past it a number of times over the years. You mentioned viewers having a moan about whether you said Gants Hill and Barkingside were in Essex or London. I don’t know how serious they were, but I would say that both of them qualify for being in Essex and London in different ways. Both areas are part of Ilford and therefore part of the county of Essex as far as Royal Mail is concerned. But when it comes to administration by local government, they are part of the London Borough of Redbridge (since 1965). Of course, they would be part of the built-up area of Greater London’s conurbation geographically.
Living in nearby Chadwell Heath, which is in Romford in Essex, but in the London Borough of Barking & Dagenham and not the London Borough of Havering as Romford is, I wholeheartedly agree!
I think another reason the post office did not change all the postcodes in Greater London in 1965 was the cost and complexity of implementing it. This has led to the present day confusion amongst some people who don't understand that a town is in London if it's in a London Borough, regardless of the post office address. And since 2010 the post office no longer requires a county name in addresses.
Romford is in the London borough of Havering, I think it really should be in Essex as it is very chavvy.
@@celtickhan6136 Your wish has been granted……..Romford is in Essex, as far as Royal Mail is concerned.
And what are you trying to say?@@ListenUp-py1qm
I'm glad they kept the GER bits. Gives it some context, as I suppose does the faulous Holden 'refurb' 😜 That is worth a visit in itself but I am now eager see this half-lift now too 🤓
Not sure how to pitch that to the missus though 🙄
Cheers, have a good weekend 👍🍀🍻
Thank you