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I agree with your results. There is negligible amplified sound differences between electric guitar body sizes. The feel of the guitar between the sizes in terms of resonance is prominent. I also find that if you take flat top acoustics of various sizes and use similar pickups, the electric sound/tone is also the similar but unamplified acoustic sound/tone varies greatly. I am a looth by trade and closet jazzer. Thank you for your efforts!
The arch top tone had more body and percussiveness to my ears. I agree the other two were quite similar but not identical. I'd say they were a touch thinner and brighter with just a hint of harshness on the trebles. I actually wanted to like one of them more because while I like the archtop tone, I do prefer a smaller, more comfortable body.
The De Angelico sounds the best. Currently I am using a PRS SE standard hollow body with stock pick ups but going through a Boss Core GT1000 set to a hollow body pre set No 5 It works a treat and gives a really good warm Jazz tone but still very clear even in an orchestral mix.
They all sound wonderful, but there are definite tonal differences from what I hear. The larger the body, the deeper and thick the tone which is what I would expect. Great video as always.
Thank you for this video , I'm 69 and new to this kind of Jazz guitar and I know tone is very very important and you demonstrated this with the Seth Lover amazingly .... i just changed to the Seth Lover neck pickup in my ES339 Epi and it sounds perfect for this style .... thank you again for all your help .....
You are such an exceptional guitar player, dear Sandra. Maybe that’s why I can’t really find a significant sound difference. Thank you again for all your excellent work and dedication.
I honestly can't tell much diffetence from listening but as you said playing live you can hear the nuances! I'll take my guitar in to the music store and have them install the Seymour Duncan puckups! Great video!!!
The D Angelico. I put Seth Lovers in a ES 335 Epiphone Pro,run thru a ceriatone OTS dumble clone. With the guitar tone pots rolled back to 2 or 3, beautiful sound.
It does have more high end indeed. But the Seth Lovers are generally known for their clarity in the low and mid end. So even on a fat jazz box you won't have the usual mud.
Interesting comparison, Sandra… Via headphones, I feel that the Heritage has that “inherent” jazz box tone, but as you pointed out, the H7 has a brighter edge (might be good for blues, louder ensemble music, for cutting though the mix)… but, I find myself enjoying the “sound” of the D’A. Hearing and playing can yield very different experiences, as you noted… but, the D’A seemed very playable while watching you (and, I’ve watched you play A LOT!!). The only other thing I can think of that might have an effect is the tone pots. Nice comparo! You make ‘em all sound good👏😁
That's an interesting aspect you mention here. Playability plays a huge role. If I feel comfortable I tend to have a sifter touch, then when my hand is tensed up. Good point!
First of all, Sandra, your playing is always such a delight! To my ear, I barely hear much difference between all three guitars. I closed my eyes the first time through as I listened to it, and there are so very tiny differences but I only heard them because I was listening carefully for them. When I just listen to music, no way I’d notice any differences.
I smile involuntarily when I listen to you play! You play so incredibly well! I'm a guitar newbie, so the difference between the three, to me, is virtually nonexistent. All of it sounds great!😊
I completely agree Sandra. I own the exact same Heritage 575 as yours as well as a Heritage 535 while sounding almost identical, the tactile feel from both are totally different. I also have a PRS "Les Paul" style which I put Seth Lover pickups on Again, somewhat similar sound electrically, but vastly different feel-wise. All have TI flat wounds 12's. Thanks for producing the video, it's a great help showing the comparisons. BTW, I hope that you have resolved the issues that you initially had with your 575. It's a great guitar but definitely requires a good setup especially after shipping. Your tutorial videos are “fantastisch” !Cheers!
Hi Sandra, I like the d’Angelico (it looks good on you!). Did you ever try the Sadowsky SS15? It’s an extremely light guitar, very jazzy sound. BTW I noticed that Thomann is also showing you playing the d’Angelico..
Hey, thanks for the info! That's cool, that Thomann added my video. As for the Safowsky, unfortunately I never got a chance to play one, but had that exact model in my mind.
I purchased the SD Seth Lovers because the sound in your video convinced me very much. I now have my Heritage H-150 with a SD 59 in the neck position and yes they are good, They are even very good, but they have a lot of low end which is not exactly the sound profile of the true PAF in my opinion. The Seth Lovers seem to be more balanced. I will have to compare them on my guitar and i will just stick with the one i like best.
Now to your question. I didn't hear all that much difference between the Heritage and the 2nd one. What was it? The D'Angelicos differs. It has a somewhat tighter tone. I think it's mainly the smaller body that makes the difference here. This D'Angelico model could be one of those guitars where the SD 59 could fit better, as it would compensate for the somewhat lacking acoustical low end.
Hi Sandra*... Three lovely instruments... but... The Heritage H-575 "Set-the-Bar" for me... and... I viewed 'Demo' several times and noticed that when you play the Heritage H-575, your 'Pick" does not travel over the Pick-up... On the other two guitars you invariably are playing with Pick... OVER the Pick-ups... Am thinking size of guitar is a factor that influences your ergonomic posture ? Helpful suggestion ? I have different sizes guitars and generally play them 'sitting down' on a 'simple' swivel laptop/office chair on wheels... (rather than a static solid non-flexing chair as you are seated)... Am sure you would have such 'simple' laptop swivel chair... Try it and see if ergonomic posture for your shoulder is better ? Chris...
Erm, I (always) sit on an office chair with weels. It can swivel, tilt and do all the crazy stuff, lol. The Heritage is, as you mention a lot bigger than the other two guitars. Therefore my arm posture is different. And yes, that affects the sound. I didn't even think about that, but you're right.
@@GuitarversumSandraSherman Hi Sandra*... You are (to me) such an accomplished Guatarist... far better than I ever have accomplished and will accomplish... but I have been doodling with guitars since 1965... My musical interests cover a 'spectrum, from Blues, Jazz, Country, Folk and Classics... hence I have Nine Guitars, all seriously chosen, for their individual expressions and rewarding to me... Two daughters play piano (Trinity College Exams) and one of them plays guitar... Have a Grandson, seven years age, playing piano and tutored by one of the finest Professional Tutors, she is a Professional Musician from Russia, living in Scotland... My Grandson wishes to play Guitar in the future and I shall suggest yourself (?) when he turns approx ten years age... He too, enjoys the Classics... But anyway... I do own a beautiful Archtop with the very best single Humbucker, which I play with a Fender Blues Junior AMP (Valves)... I use it mainly for 'Blues' expression... If I ever offer any advice to you, it is sincere... I am aware of your fantastic Studio 'set-up' ! Congratulations ! Now at 75 years, I too have a slight shoulder problem and have found that a 'simple' laptop chair (no arms and you can set the height of the seat for ergonomic convenience) is most comfortable when practicing guitar...If you wish (?) feel invited to befriend me on Facebook: CJ Watkins (Auckland NZ) (just a 'few' Friends)... and I will respond... Happy Days !
I think that if I was blindfolded, I absolutely couldn't tell which was which. I guess this proves that the vibrations of the top on the hollow-body don't come out electrically. Of course, the hollow-body will feed back at lower volumes, but that's probably not an issue at the amp levels used for Jazz. For recording purposes, I think it doesn't matter what guitar the pickup is mounted in--hollow, semi-hollow, solid, they all sound the same. Might as well get a guitar that's comfortable. It's really all about the electrical path: the pickup, the circuit, the amp, and the speaker. I'm interested in what differences you felt as a player between the hollow and the semi-hollow guitars.
The first guitar you play is the best all around sounding. I like the bass sounds it makes. The 2nd guitar to me is the clearest sounding. The last guitar you play is a bit thin sounding but still ok. But as someone pointed out you play well enough that it is not going to make a difference which one you play. You will always sound and play great.
They soind similar but sire is slightly brighter. I guess that difference could be easily dialed out with amp settings, or it may even be due to the brudge, saddles or simply fresher strings. I have a seth lover on my givson 335 and i love it
Yes, there are so many components. And usually a bit if change in the amps Equ section fixes that. For me it's really the combination of haptical feeling and acoustic response I get from a guitar, more than it's electric sound. When I listen back to the recording I just did, it's a whole different thing of course.
Like I already wrote in another comment I have replaced the Probuckers in an Epiphone Les Paul Standard 50s by these Seth Lovers. It is an amazing improvement! You can play everything from Jazz to Rock with them. Highly recommended! Two more things for you Les Paul players: 1. The Seth Lovers are VERY similar to the more expensive Pearly Gates PUs that I also have in another Epiphone Les Paul. 2. The Gibson Burstbuckers that the Gibson Les Paul Standards come with sound brighter and more punchier than the Seymour Duncans. Thanks, Sandra, for this video. 🙂
I put some in a 175 dollar Chinese kit guitar I built in my garage. It’s a thinline telecaster with two humbuckers. Took me a bit to set it up so the action plays like I like it, but it sounds massive. I like it as much as my expensive guitars and it has so much character. Even got little red dice as knobs.
Very interesting and well done comparison, I don't hear any significant difference, which means any difference has to be due to differences in wood, body shape, etc. But it's still not much difference. Good point about the experience to the player from the different guitar body styles, which is perhaps even more important to the player than any minor differences in tone.
Nice tones and playing! It should be noted, though, that the Seth Lover pickups in the D'Angelico are very different than the others because they use Alnico 4 magnets (according to the maker, they are a special edition of the regular Seth Lover, which normally uses Alnico 2s). Alnico 4s have a different strength and can make a big difference in the sound of a pickup.
They all sound great. my preference, in order, is the heritage, the Dangelico, then the sire. the heritage has a fat airy tone, still with some punch. the dangelico is punchy and tight. with the sire, i find 335 kind of guitars a bit aggressive sounding, like the notes don't have time to resonate, with the thin body popping out the sound right away. but, then again, it's how you play it. now I want a heritage!
For me, the Heritage is the one with the most classic jazz sound, round and warm. The Sire is close but has a bit more of a top end, which is nice to stand out in the mix. The D'Angelico is somewhat thinner and less detailed in the Rhythm and Chord Melody part. In the Lead Guitar part, the sound differences are maintained, but for my taste, all three work well.
Really fine comparison, Sandra. I assume you didn't tweak your amp settings.. Heritage: Classic big box sound, woody and warm. Good balance in tonality, first choice for any solo chord-melody performance. Sire: A bright, lively sounding thing. This would be my choice for a hard bob ensemble, Sire wouldn't be ran over by a sax player. D'Angelico: DC (not mini) was another one on my shortlist two years ago.. good balance, a bit thin but pleasant sound. May need some amp settings tweaking. Safe bet for any jazzy situation. ( I ended to order Hagstrom Viking Gold top from Austria to Finland )
Thanks Sandra, very interesting. I could hear very little difference in the comping but for the lead I thought both the slim lines sounded a bit brighter than the jazz box. Also, I could just sit and listen to you play all day and I'm wondering, during those very fast runs on the D'Angelico, were you hybrid picking or was that all straight picked?
In the last section (improv) with the D'Angelico I used a lot of hybrid picking. It's just sobering that makes me faster and prefer over stuff like sweep picking.
The differences are mostly subtle at least while listening on YT. The Sire definitely has more high end. I think this is due to the ebony fretboard. I have an ES 335 style guitar witn an ebony fretboard and it has a very "bell-like" quality. I also wonder if you are unconsciously making tiny adjustments as you play due to the feedback you get from the guitar. The subtle changes in finger pressure, attack and release that develops over years of playing can be ALMOST unconscious, except when emphasizing those techniques.
When I listened to your intro on this video where you stated that you searched out a small-body jazz guitar, I immediately thought you would look at the Ibanez George Benson model. But you chose D'Angelico. Curious if you considered the GB guitar at all? By the way, that Heritage of yours is a BEAUTY!
I did consider the GB10, but it has a rather deep body, which was unplayable for me at the time, due to my severe shoulder problems. I just wasn't able to strech my right arm that much away from the body. The D'Angelico is a thin body guitar.
From where I'm sitting, the D'Angelico seemed to be less resonant and just overall a bit duller sounding. The high end on the H7 was definitely more pronounced, but I liked it. I considered buying an H7, but the 40mm nut width was a deal killer for me.
I now received my Set Lovers and when it comes to warm jazzy, bluesy tones the SD 59 is one of the best choices in my opinion, so it was hard for the Seth Lovers to actually beat it. In my view the Seth Lovers have a different voicing, more high end, less low mids. 59s are smoother and fuller sounding. I don't have a jazz guitar, but a solidbody Les Paul, but still the difference between the two is not a tiny little one. None the less it was interesting to compare the two. I never swapped pickups since i purchased the guitar some 30 years ago.
sounding: 1º D'Angelico Deluxe 2º heritage 3º sire, so, not a lot of difference of sound, but a lot difference of price, so finaly the best is the Sire
That depends on what you prefer. Sound is subjective to the listener. Some prefer the Super 58, some a Seth Lover. The 58 is a bit too dark for my taste. The Lover is definitely clearer. I love how the strings are seperated and you can hear every tone in a chord.
Seth Lovers are rich sounding; I have them on a Gibson Barney Kessel Model. I believe the Antiquity Series are the same Seth Lovers but aged. I have those in an ES335.
@@GuitarversumSandraSherman The SD forums; the construction and magnets are all the same except that the Antiquities are aged. The Seth Lover is the original design of the humbucking pickup. I also agree with you as per your test; electronically didn’t hear much difference between guitar models and they all sound rich and awesome.
Well. Listening with high-end headphones the character of the sound is the same but as you say there’s a very tiny difference in between them. The Heritage has more “humpf “😂 bass pressure and the d angelico less. It is very subtile but it s there. Not very strange. As a former luthier I think that on an electric guitar 70-80% of the sound comes from the pickups. I m quite sure the nut and fixed/floating bridge and fretboard probably influence the tone as much as the body if not more. With hollow /semi hollow it might be a more noticeable difference… the biggest difference I suppose is that your heritage guitar has a hollow body with a floating bridge while the 2 others are semi-hollow with fixed bridges. To know if that very tiny difference is because of the bridges or because of the semi hollow or or of the body-size is another story….. i m surprise of the sound of the Sire, very good indeed and in tone in between the heritage and the d angelico. The difference is most noticeable if one listen to the heritage and then to the d Angelico at once. With the sire in between those 2 the passage from one guitar to the other is almost unnoticeable…I love your videos, this one is no exception. Many thanks! I will very soon be one of your “ online” students too 😊love your playing and how you explain things 👍🙏. Best regards Fr Sweden. 😉
I can never tell any difference when I watch things like this haha. The semis have more sustain than the Archie I would say. But that’s probably based on how my 175 feels compared to the 335. Feel. I think it’s a much bigger thing to guitarists than tone.
Sounded very alike to me, and I'm sure others in the comments saying they hear big differences probably wouldn't say that if it was a completely blind test...
@@GuitarversumSandraSherman they are mainly used on Gretsch guitars. I learned to play guitar on a 1959 Gretsch Anniversary model. thank you for responding.
The actual pickup sound seems the same more or less to me just the body sound is different first one big and fatter sound/ second less base more high end/ last small body more like first but smaller sound less open more compact sound. That is listening to analyse but all have their charm when you are just playing
Which is interesting, since shorter scale lengths usually trend to produce warmer sounds. But I guess it's the sum of all the parts that make a difference.
The difference is there but very small, I listened several times without looking at the monitor while my friend sat next to me, I always told him when the guitar changed and I always guessed, considering that you played guitars from "fattest" to "skinniest" so you could feel the difference, the last one had a slightly sharper tone than the previous ones, and the first one had the most bass.
Die Hollowbody Gitarre klingt meines Erachtens schon deutlich anders, als die anderen zwei. Die Semisolids haben den für diese Bauart typischen Klang mit einem Boost in den oberen Mitten. Die Heritage klingt deutlich hohler und und hat eine leichte "Ü"-Betonung im Klang, was wiederum typisch für viele Vollresonanz Jazzgitarren ist. Das weichere Einschwingverhalten ist ebenfalls auffällig.
Great little presentation on three well made and reputable instruments. I wonder if you might have poked a hornets nest here but as a builder I am always fascinated by the opinions of people who listen with their ears, their eyes or their mouths. Let the debate begin...! B-)
As I do mostly home recording its certainly with the ears I only have one guitar but have tried many over the years and the one I have now does every genre you can think of.
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I agree with your results. There is negligible amplified sound differences between electric guitar body sizes. The feel of the guitar between the sizes in terms of resonance is prominent. I also find that if you take flat top acoustics of various sizes and use similar pickups, the electric sound/tone is also the similar but unamplified acoustic sound/tone varies greatly. I am a looth by trade and closet jazzer. Thank you for your efforts!
The arch top tone had more body and percussiveness to my ears. I agree the other two were quite similar but not identical. I'd say they were a touch thinner and brighter with just a hint of harshness on the trebles. I actually wanted to like one of them more because while I like the archtop tone, I do prefer a smaller, more comfortable body.
Excellent pickups. Interesting how similar they sounded recorded on the different guitars. Your playing was commendably consistent throughout. Thanks.
Perfect sound. You have convinced me to try a Seth Lover neck pickup. They sound really good in the 335.
Good choice!
The De Angelico sounds the best. Currently I am using a PRS SE standard hollow body with stock pick ups but going through a Boss Core GT1000 set to a hollow body pre set No 5 It works a treat and gives a really good warm Jazz tone but still very clear even in an orchestral mix.
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They all sound wonderful, but there are definite tonal differences from what I hear. The larger the body, the deeper and thick the tone which is what I would expect.
Great video as always.
Thank you for this video , I'm 69 and new to this kind of Jazz guitar and I know tone is very very important and you demonstrated this with the Seth Lover amazingly .... i just changed to the Seth Lover neck pickup in my ES339 Epi and it sounds perfect for this style .... thank you again for all your help .....
Glad to be of help and glad you found your perfect sound combination. Keep swingin'!
You are such an exceptional guitar player, dear Sandra. Maybe that’s why I can’t really find a significant sound difference. Thank you again for all your excellent work and dedication.
You make me blush each time, Luis 😁❤️
Looking to put a set of Seth Lovers in a guitar build and this video was very helpful, thank you! Excellent playing too!
Glad it was helpful!
I honestly can't tell much diffetence from listening but as you said playing live you can hear the nuances! I'll take my guitar in to the music store and have them install the Seymour Duncan puckups! Great video!!!
Let me know, which pickup you prefer. Your old one or the Lover.
The D Angelico. I put Seth Lovers in a ES 335 Epiphone Pro,run thru a ceriatone OTS dumble clone. With the guitar tone pots rolled back to 2 or 3, beautiful sound.
Sandra, thank you for your videos. I've learned a lot from them and am always looking forward to the next.
That's sweet of you, Günther! Thank you for your support, I really appreciate it. ❤️
Thanks for the demo. I like D'Angelico for the chords because it sounds a bit clearer.
It does have more high end indeed. But the Seth Lovers are generally known for their clarity in the low and mid end. So even on a fat jazz box you won't have the usual mud.
Interesting comparison, Sandra… Via headphones, I feel that the Heritage has that “inherent” jazz box tone, but as you pointed out, the H7 has a brighter edge (might be good for blues, louder ensemble music, for cutting though the mix)… but, I find myself enjoying the “sound” of the D’A. Hearing and playing can yield very different experiences, as you noted… but, the D’A seemed very playable while watching you (and, I’ve watched you play A LOT!!). The only other thing I can think of that might have an effect is the tone pots. Nice comparo! You make ‘em all sound good👏😁
That's an interesting aspect you mention here. Playability plays a huge role. If I feel comfortable I tend to have a sifter touch, then when my hand is tensed up. Good point!
First of all, Sandra, your playing is always such a delight! To my ear, I barely hear much difference between all three guitars. I closed my eyes the first time through as I listened to it, and there are so very tiny differences but I only heard them because I was listening carefully for them. When I just listen to music, no way I’d notice any differences.
Yes, a blind test would be interesting 😊.
they all sound sweet and jazzy but the 575 is way warmer and therefore best, it's just more authentic Jazz Guitar tone (non were bad though ).
Thanks!
Thank you so much, Luis! ❤️
I smile involuntarily when I listen to you play! You play so incredibly well! I'm a guitar newbie, so the difference between the three, to me, is virtually nonexistent. All of it sounds great!😊
Your Sire H7 is amazing
Your observations seem spot on. Very good demonstration.
Thank you! Glad it was useful.
I completely agree Sandra. I own the exact same Heritage 575 as yours as well as a Heritage 535 while sounding almost identical, the tactile feel from both are totally different. I also have a PRS "Les Paul" style which I put Seth Lover pickups on Again, somewhat similar sound electrically, but vastly different feel-wise. All have TI flat wounds 12's.
Thanks for producing the video, it's a great help showing the comparisons.
BTW, I hope that you have resolved the issues that you initially had with your 575. It's a great guitar but definitely requires a good setup especially after shipping. Your tutorial videos are “fantastisch” !Cheers!
Thank you for your inöut, I couldn't agree more. You have great guitars. Enjoy them and keep swingin 🎶 🎸 😊
Hi Sandra, I like the d’Angelico (it looks good on you!). Did you ever try the Sadowsky SS15? It’s an extremely light guitar, very jazzy sound. BTW I noticed that Thomann is also showing you playing the d’Angelico..
Hey, thanks for the info! That's cool, that Thomann added my video.
As for the Safowsky, unfortunately I never got a chance to play one, but had that exact model in my mind.
I purchased the SD Seth Lovers because the sound in your video convinced me very much. I now have my Heritage H-150 with a SD 59 in the neck position and yes they are good, They are even very good, but they have a lot of low end which is not exactly the sound profile of the true PAF in my opinion. The Seth Lovers seem to be more balanced. I will have to compare them on my guitar and i will just stick with the one i like best.
Now to your question. I didn't hear all that much difference between the Heritage and the 2nd one. What was it? The D'Angelicos differs. It has a somewhat tighter tone. I think it's mainly the smaller body that makes the difference here. This D'Angelico model could be one of those guitars where the SD 59 could fit better, as it would compensate for the somewhat lacking acoustical low end.
Interesting point. I'd love tp compare them. I just don't happen to have the 59s.
Hi Sandra*... Three lovely instruments... but... The Heritage H-575 "Set-the-Bar" for me... and... I viewed 'Demo' several times and noticed that when you play the Heritage H-575, your 'Pick" does not travel over the Pick-up... On the other two guitars you invariably are playing with Pick... OVER the Pick-ups... Am thinking size of guitar is a factor that influences your ergonomic posture ? Helpful suggestion ? I have different sizes guitars and generally play them 'sitting down' on a 'simple' swivel laptop/office chair on wheels... (rather than a static solid non-flexing chair as you are seated)... Am sure you would have such 'simple' laptop swivel chair... Try it and see if ergonomic posture for your shoulder is better ? Chris...
Erm, I (always) sit on an office chair with weels. It can swivel, tilt and do all the crazy stuff, lol. The Heritage is, as you mention a lot bigger than the other two guitars. Therefore my arm posture is different. And yes, that affects the sound. I didn't even think about that, but you're right.
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I think that if I was blindfolded, I absolutely couldn't tell which was which. I guess this proves that the vibrations of the top on the hollow-body don't come out electrically. Of course, the hollow-body will feed back at lower volumes, but that's probably not an issue at the amp levels used for Jazz.
For recording purposes, I think it doesn't matter what guitar the pickup is mounted in--hollow, semi-hollow, solid, they all sound the same. Might as well get a guitar that's comfortable. It's really all about the electrical path: the pickup, the circuit, the amp, and the speaker.
I'm interested in what differences you felt as a player between the hollow and the semi-hollow guitars.
The semi hollows she reader to play for me, but I don't get that jazz vibe from it. I play slightly differently on each of those guitars.
The first guitar you play is the best all around sounding. I like the bass sounds it makes. The 2nd guitar to me is the clearest sounding. The last guitar you play is a bit thin sounding but still ok. But as someone pointed out you play well enough that it is not going to make a difference which one you play. You will always sound and play great.
They soind similar but sire is slightly brighter. I guess that difference could be easily dialed out with amp settings, or it may even be due to the brudge, saddles or simply fresher strings. I have a seth lover on my givson 335 and i love it
Yes, there are so many components. And usually a bit if change in the amps Equ section fixes that. For me it's really the combination of haptical feeling and acoustic response I get from a guitar, more than it's electric sound. When I listen back to the recording I just did, it's a whole different thing of course.
Like I already wrote in another comment I have replaced the Probuckers in an Epiphone Les Paul Standard 50s by these Seth Lovers. It is an amazing improvement! You can play everything from Jazz to Rock with them. Highly recommended!
Two more things for you Les Paul players:
1. The Seth Lovers are VERY similar to the more expensive Pearly Gates PUs that I also have in another Epiphone Les Paul.
2. The Gibson Burstbuckers that the Gibson Les Paul Standards come with sound brighter and more punchier than the Seymour Duncans.
Thanks, Sandra, for this video. 🙂
Thanks for the info on the experience you have with various pickups. Very interesting indeed.
I put some in a 175 dollar Chinese kit guitar I built in my garage. It’s a thinline telecaster with two humbuckers. Took me a bit to set it up so the action plays like I like it, but it sounds massive. I like it as much as my expensive guitars and it has so much character. Even got little red dice as knobs.
When you make your own guitar you naturally have a very special relationship with it. It's a different vibe :-)
Very interesting and well done comparison, I don't hear any significant difference, which means any difference has to be due to differences in wood, body shape, etc. But it's still not much difference. Good point about the experience to the player from the different guitar body styles, which is perhaps even more important to the player than any minor differences in tone.
It is to me for sure!
Nice tones and playing! It should be noted, though, that the Seth Lover pickups in the D'Angelico are very different than the others because they use Alnico 4 magnets (according to the maker, they are a special edition of the regular Seth Lover, which normally uses Alnico 2s). Alnico 4s have a different strength and can make a big difference in the sound of a pickup.
Oh, that's very interesting. I was not aware of that. Thanks for the info!
They all sound great. my preference, in order, is the heritage, the Dangelico, then the sire. the heritage has a fat airy tone, still with some punch. the dangelico is punchy and tight. with the sire, i find 335 kind of guitars a bit aggressive sounding, like the notes don't have time to resonate, with the thin body popping out the sound right away. but, then again, it's how you play it. now I want a heritage!
Good analysis 👍😊
Unwaxed is the only way yo go. It's more lively. Clear and vintage sounding
For me, the Heritage is the one with the most classic jazz sound, round and warm. The Sire is close but has a bit more of a top end, which is nice to stand out in the mix. The D'Angelico is somewhat thinner and less detailed in the Rhythm and Chord Melody part.
In the Lead Guitar part, the sound differences are maintained, but for my taste, all three work well.
Very precise observations, my friend 😊. That's about what I think too.
Really fine comparison, Sandra. I assume you didn't tweak your amp settings..
Heritage: Classic big box sound, woody and warm. Good balance in tonality, first choice for any solo chord-melody performance.
Sire: A bright, lively sounding thing. This would be my choice for a hard bob ensemble, Sire wouldn't be ran over by a sax player.
D'Angelico: DC (not mini) was another one on my shortlist two years ago.. good balance, a bit thin but pleasant sound. May need some amp settings tweaking. Safe bet for any jazzy situation. ( I ended to order Hagstrom Viking Gold top from Austria to Finland )
Good choice Walter!
great gear video, big thumbs up 👍🏻
Thanks Sandra, very interesting. I could hear very little difference in the comping but for the lead I thought both the slim lines sounded a bit brighter than the jazz box. Also, I could just sit and listen to you play all day and I'm wondering, during those very fast runs on the D'Angelico, were you hybrid picking or was that all straight picked?
In the last section (improv) with the D'Angelico I used a lot of hybrid picking. It's just sobering that makes me faster and prefer over stuff like sweep picking.
Great video!
The differences are mostly subtle at least while listening on YT. The Sire definitely has more high end. I think this is due to the ebony fretboard. I have an ES 335 style guitar witn an ebony fretboard and it has a very "bell-like" quality.
I also wonder if you are unconsciously making tiny adjustments as you play due to the feedback you get from the guitar. The subtle changes in finger pressure, attack and release that develops over years of playing can be ALMOST unconscious, except when emphasizing those techniques.
Good point.
The Heritage and 335 sounded nicer and more airy.Those are so nice sounding with your lovely playing.
I have it in my Knaggs Kenai T2 solid body and I love it!
Oh wow, cool guitar you've got there!
When I listened to your intro on this video where you stated that you searched out a small-body jazz guitar, I immediately thought you would look at the Ibanez George Benson model. But you chose D'Angelico. Curious if you considered the GB guitar at all? By the way, that Heritage of yours is a BEAUTY!
I did consider the GB10, but it has a rather deep body, which was unplayable for me at the time, due to my severe shoulder problems. I just wasn't able to strech my right arm that much away from the body. The D'Angelico is a thin body guitar.
From where I'm sitting, the D'Angelico seemed to be less resonant and just overall a bit duller sounding. The high end on the H7 was definitely more pronounced, but I liked it. I considered buying an H7, but the 40mm nut width was a deal killer for me.
There is a version 2 of the H7 low, with a regular 43mm nut width and P90s.
@@GuitarversumSandraSherman Yeah, I've played the H7V and it's a winner, but I already have a P90 semi-hollow I really like.
I now received my Set Lovers and when it comes to warm jazzy, bluesy tones the SD 59 is one of the best choices in my opinion, so it was hard for the Seth Lovers to actually beat it. In my view the Seth Lovers have a different voicing, more high end, less low mids. 59s are smoother and fuller sounding. I don't have a jazz guitar, but a solidbody Les Paul, but still the difference between the two is not a tiny little one. None the less it was interesting to compare the two. I never swapped pickups since i purchased the guitar some 30 years ago.
I just like how I hear every note in a chord. But yes, they are a bit brighter than the 59s.
Sorry about the shoulder. I've got it too! Play my Tele a lot.
sounding: 1º D'Angelico Deluxe 2º heritage 3º sire,
so, not a lot of difference of sound, but a lot difference of price,
so finaly the best is the Sire
Good indeed, what pick up is the most smooth for jazz, I have s 58 pick up, Seth lover are better? Thanks and good new year
That depends on what you prefer. Sound is subjective to the listener. Some prefer the Super 58, some a Seth Lover. The 58 is a bit too dark for my taste. The Lover is definitely clearer. I love how the strings are seperated and you can hear every tone in a chord.
Thanks a lot
It’s difficult to say I did find the D’ Angelo quiter but warmer
the only difference i could hear was the ebony on the Sire being a little bit brighter and "quicker" as a response. Otherwise amazingly close.
The mini fits best visually. But it’s sound had a little less presence I found. A bit more mellow. Less attack.
Interesting. I think it has more presence.
@@GuitarversumSandraSherman ok. I’ll rinse my ears then…
I'm thinking of buying a Sire. I'm curious. How much do you think the swap to the Seth Lovers improved the sound of the Sire?
Very much for my ears. Sound is much clearer now. But it's an expensive pickup and not totally necessary.
Seth Lovers are rich sounding; I have them on a Gibson Barney Kessel Model. I believe the Antiquity Series are the same Seth Lovers but aged. I have those in an ES335.
Hmm, that's interesting. Did you hear about the Antiquity pups being the same as the Seth Lovers, or read it somewhere? I'd like to verify that.
@@GuitarversumSandraSherman The SD forums; the construction and magnets are all the same except that the Antiquities are aged. The Seth Lover is the original design of the humbucking pickup. I also agree with you as per your test; electronically didn’t hear much difference between guitar models and they all sound rich and awesome.
Well. Listening with high-end headphones the character of the sound is the same but as you say there’s a very tiny difference in between them. The Heritage has more “humpf “😂 bass pressure and the d angelico less. It is very subtile but it s there. Not very strange. As a former luthier I think that on an electric guitar 70-80% of the sound comes from the pickups. I m quite sure the nut and fixed/floating bridge and fretboard probably influence the tone as much as the body if not more. With hollow /semi hollow it might be a more noticeable difference… the biggest difference I suppose is that your heritage guitar has a hollow body with a floating bridge while the 2 others are semi-hollow with fixed bridges. To know if that very tiny difference is because of the bridges or because of the semi hollow or or of the body-size is another story….. i m surprise of the sound of the Sire, very good indeed and in tone in between the heritage and the d angelico. The difference is most noticeable if one listen to the heritage and then to the d Angelico at once. With the sire in between those 2 the passage from one guitar to the other is almost unnoticeable…I love your videos, this one is no exception. Many thanks! I will very soon be one of your “ online” students too 😊love your playing and how you explain things 👍🙏. Best regards Fr Sweden. 😉
Thank you, Mike! I totally agree on the bridge thing as well as the noticeable difference between the D'Angelico and the Heritage.
The Heritage sounds so mellow.
Yes, it rwalky haas a full body in every way 😊.
The pickups sound amazing in all the guitars… But they really sing in the D’Angelico
I'm guessing the first guitar was a hollow body and the other two semi-hollow. With those unpotted pups, that should make a noticeable difference.
That's correct
@GuitarversumSandraSherman What is the string height set for Seymour Duncan?
I really can't remember, but I set them up all equally high.
I can never tell any difference when I watch things like this haha. The semis have more sustain than the Archie I would say. But that’s probably based on how my 175 feels compared to the 335. Feel. I think it’s a much bigger thing to guitarists than tone.
Absolutely, I play a little different also on a big jazz box, than a thinline guitar.
Sounded very alike to me, and I'm sure others in the comments saying they hear big differences probably wouldn't say that if it was a completely blind test...
A bind test would be interesting indeed 😊.
I really can't tell any difference in sound. they all pretty much sound the same to me. what is your opinion of T.V. Jones pickups ?
I've never played any, so I don't really have an opinion on them.
@@GuitarversumSandraSherman they are mainly used on Gretsch guitars. I learned to play guitar on a 1959 Gretsch Anniversary model. thank you for responding.
my Gibson 175 is fantastic....I don't know why I buy others. Just need/want one more....maybe a gibson 275....lol
I sense some servere G. A. S (gear acquiring syndrome) 😁.
The actual pickup sound seems the same more or less to me just the body sound is different first one big and fatter sound/ second less base more high end/ last small body more like first but smaller sound less open more compact sound. That is listening to analyse but all have their charm when you are just playing
Sound all good.
Put an old L5 in the mix and you will definitely hear a difference!
I thought the guitar with the scale 24.75 was a spec brighter. But it could have been less low end.
Which is interesting, since shorter scale lengths usually trend to produce warmer sounds. But I guess it's the sum of all the parts that make a difference.
@@GuitarversumSandraSherman , Always enjoy your videos.
Très intéressant 😀😀😀☀️
There is very little sound difference…more would be noticed with different strings, amps, and specialized setups used by the masters…
they sound almost the same. Differences are all in the parts that affect the sound, like pots, strings, scale length, etc.
Hi ! ich finde alle 3 ziemlich cool. Der sound kommt ja noch viel mehr aus den Fingern als aus der Technik..l.g. eine alte Ottakringerin :-)
Hey, fellow Ottakringer! ❤️
since you play so wonderfully it hard to tell the slight difference.....
The difference is there but very small, I listened several times without looking at the monitor while my friend sat next to me, I always told him when the guitar changed and I always guessed, considering that you played guitars from "fattest" to "skinniest" so you could feel the difference, the last one had a slightly sharper tone than the previous ones, and the first one had the most bass.
We should blind test these things 😊. Some big surprises there, I guess.
@@GuitarversumSandraSherman Yes, blind test will be good.
Die Hollowbody Gitarre klingt meines Erachtens schon deutlich anders, als die anderen zwei. Die Semisolids haben den für diese Bauart typischen Klang mit einem Boost in den oberen Mitten. Die Heritage klingt deutlich hohler und und hat eine leichte "Ü"-Betonung im Klang, was wiederum typisch für viele Vollresonanz Jazzgitarren ist. Das weichere Einschwingverhalten ist ebenfalls auffällig.
Was ist eine Ü -Betonung?
@@GuitarversumSandraSherman Na so, als täte die Gitarre "ü ü ü üüü üüü" singen...;-)
That's the weirdest description of a guitar sounds I've ever heard 😂. Love it 😍.
The audience would not hear any difference. I think your fingers will make a greater difference. These are my favorite p/u's as well.
D’Angelico for far
I'll hear it back with headphones when I'm home. I don't hear much of a difference on my phone.
12 gauge !!!!! Holy smokes SRV 👍
If you want 12s on a Strat, you need to re-file the notches.
The Heritage produced the best "jazz tone"
Eyes closed they sound close enough to be almost identical.
A blind test would be interesting 😊
I think the 575 sounds the best. Probably because of the rosewood or ebony bridge
Great little presentation on three well made and reputable instruments. I wonder if you might have poked a hornets nest here but as a builder I am always fascinated by the opinions of people who listen with their ears, their eyes or their mouths. Let the debate begin...! B-)
As I do mostly home recording its certainly with the ears I only have one guitar but have tried many over the years and the one I have now does every genre you can think of.
Pretty civilized debate so far 😊
@@GuitarversumSandraSherman LOL, jazz guitarists are so well mannered… 😎
I hear the DAngelico best overall tone, save for the microphonics.
put a Duncan Distortion in the bridge and call it a day.
A Duncan Distortion in a jazz guitar. Sure 😂
Difficult on I phone to hear the difference
Yes, such things are best with headphones.
Micro are very important and I'm waiting for an answer, do you know super 58 on ibanez guitar, witch are better more sugar for jazz? Thanks
Heritage sounds best to my uneducated ears :-)
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Not much difference Seymour Duncan seth lover pups are awesome
It's pretty apparent to me. If you're watching on a phone you may not be heading much of a difference, bc it's mainly the bass response.