⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ out of 5 for me. Will either be a Jonas or Tadej domination of everyone. Hate to think what it looks like if rumors of Jonas doing Giro are true.
1:10:20 I would say the hardest you have covered was 2022 with the Col du Granon stage (with before that the Galibier by the really long side) followed by Alpe d'Huez with Galibier and Croix de Fer before it.
Stage 18: I've ridden up the Loze in the Haute Route via Courchevel at he end of the stage... Courchevel in itself is long and brutal, the last part from Courchevel to the top is insanely difficult. After the Glandon and the col de la Madeleine and a couple of weeks in the legs... This will decide the tour. Having done it all I have to say is good luck to those poor bastards who have to do it!!!!
It's a pretty interesting subject. We know for sure that fetuses start to develop their memory. It is called prenatal or fetal memory. It is important for their development and mostly helps them recognize their parents and and other familiar sounds. Whether or not people can actually vividly remember these memories, way later in life, is unclear. It is not that uncommon that people claim they have memories from the womb. Therefore, the idea can not just be discarded. But it is currently impossible to prove if said memory is actually from the womb, or just a different place/time or made up all together.
No, Van der Poel has said he's considering doing mountainbike during the summer after classics and the Vuelta being his grand tour next year. It sounds a bit weird but the story is slightly different ;-)
22:50 "Pogacar, is he going to attack?" I'm going to call it here as a yes 😂 only reason he wouldn't attack then is if he's already attacked even earlier 😂 Pogi's said that Col de la Loze is his least favourite climb, maybe that's why it keeps getting included? 😬
On Stage 18 a good team could stick it to the Pog! But it has to be a good team that can wear out UAE. Long, steep climbs has been UAE's soft spot in the past. My fingers are crossed that this is not another walk over grand tour! I sure hope MvDP and WVA are in form for those puncheur stages!
I think it will all depend if pog has a decent advantage going into the stage. Don't think UAE will be able to pace and win him that stage, but if he has a lead then he could probably just sit in and follow the visma train. might not win but wont lose much time that way
Stage 10 comparable to 11 in 2024, hautecam similar to pla d’adet, plateau de beille is a bit harder than the stage 14 2025, 18 and 19 2025 seem somewhat similar to 19-20 to 2024 but climbs are ~7km harder. Ventoux , mountain time trial make a big difference backloaded, comparing that two the galibier stage 4 in 2024. less overall elevation backload but harder cuz back end is ridiculous. Bottomline is differences between dominant GC rider will be greater. Just making sure I heard you guys correctly.
I would really like see an attempt to come up with a route that is *actually a route*, without jumping between finish and start too much, but still make it stand up to modern standards in terms of profile.
If lidl-trek want to maximize wins, Pedersen has to work for Milan in sprint or sprintlike stages, in the stages where Milan "maybe has a chance to survive" the team should work for Mads. I think that both coud win more if they race together trying work for each other than race separate calendar (like in GW 24)
2022 Granon and Alpe d'Huez pairing was pretty hard but I think you're right and this is even harder than that. Great pod as always and I'm gonna have to listen to this 10 times before July because it's such a long time until then
politt, wellens, vermeersch, oliveira tadej is putting together a hell of a team for when he takes swing at roubaix....great route how did they avoid the pave up north. i understand they dont want to give tadej chance to get chunk of time before mountains but that 2nd stage 2014 where nibali put froome and alberto to sword was iconic. they have the storylines hautacam, loze, ventoux all climbs jonas hurt tadej on. i would prefer new climbs like those if im jonas as tadej will have even more motivation to redeem himself. hope to see fully fit visma with kuss and simon yates, jorgenson to help. kuss is so crucial. uae might bring same squad but id bring mcnulty who like sivakov is great pure workker for tempo on mts or deep into finale on those hilly stages where an adam yates or joao doesn't have same raw power . joao is such enigma haha. trio of politt, wellens, soler mcnulty, sivakov is such strong group of rouleur strong side and something they copied visma on. the rouleur/classics heavy tour team visma assembled changed sport they great bike handlers, positioning , clever, great for surging racing of tour stages controlling breaks. id even consider vine instead of joao if hed had healthier year and proved he strong in service roll for gt. he was good in giro for joao and climbed great in vuelta. joao is loyal just bit of square peg in round hole in that dom role. hes tempo rider to hysterical degree its more important to him than being in the wheels. great breakdown hope all gc favs and their teams come 100%. its almost ccrucial jonas drop tadej somewhere at least as tadej is entering that 26-32 range where athletes and especially cyclists peak. still possessing fast twitch muscles for explosiveness, but developing maturity and cerebral skills to be efficient using team and not lose race ever losing composure or focus. who do you reckon is capable of challenging for podium besides big four guys. they are dominating cycling like federer, nadal, djokovic, murray dominated tennis. everything after sky to ineos practically, healthy bernal that never crashed would be perfect. tao, hindley, carapaz all great but none beat one of these four to win their gt except carapZ GIRO over primoz. like to see jorgenson with full squad support some time hes such an all rounder. ayuso if he left perhaps and matures. o'connor really proving tour result was no fluke with worlds and vuelta. he reminds me bit of bardet i think he could podium liege the way he rides. that course or lombardia with team and targeting could be perfect for him. enjoy holidays cheers
@@LanterneRougeCyclingPodcast my pleasure bud apologies for not being more concise : ) ..... between you both no stone unturned, and always several things i miss. its like cliffs notes for cycling race !. hope 2025 is epic happy new year LR
Ineos should go all in for stages at this TDF with Pidcock as leader and send Rodriguez to the Giro Vuelta double. Rodriguez would lose a lot of time in the TT and would bleed time on every punchy stage due to his lack of explosiveness. Peak level Pidcock could do well on the punchy stages, get the likes of Tarling, Turner, Sheffield and Kwiato with him and it could be a break out race for Pidcock
For the Stage 13 TT - why bother with tt-extensions on a road bike, since in a time-trial it is allowed to use puppy-paws position, the aero difference between puppy paws and tt extensions is marginal and you are stuck with additional weight for the climb?
Presuming that it's a problem which needs addressing: Have they done anything about the increasing number of stages which aren't raced till the final few km?
Are you talking about mountain stages? Nothing the race organisers can do about that, it’s the riders/tactics. If you mean flat sprint stages, there’s hardly any of them compared to the past
@@HkFinn83 What I meant specifically was the (usually sprint) stages with no breakaway at all and the riders rolling along en masse till about 15 to 20k to go. There seem to have been more of these in recent GTs.
My oldest memory where I m sure I got it by myself and not beeing told that : I just got 2 and I remember eating what i thought was smarties, but they were most probably some digestions pils my sister took while on her period😂😂😂. That my parents never knew about and I remember very well the bad taste and the colour of it. Scientists say you can actually have very old memories but it is veryyyy unsure if you are under 2. Most people remember things when they were 2,3,4.
@@SeamalicousBang on. People thinking Jonas is washed after he spent a week with a tube in his lung at the key point in his tour prep and still took a stage off of probably the greatest rider of all time is insane. As is the idea that because he did peak watts once this tour, that it's the best we will ever see. I think Pog is still the favourite, but I think Jonas has a WAY better chance in the '25 tour than anyone gives him credit for.
@@ile1973the route reveal was yesterday. Here they just skipped it (they said they'd done it already and went from 2 to 4; I actually went back thinking I might have spaced off and missed it)
How would you rate next year's #TDF2025 route?
⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ out of 5 for me. Will either be a Jonas or Tadej domination of everyone. Hate to think what it looks like if rumors of Jonas doing Giro are true.
Decent route. I like the peyragudes tt a lot and the la plagne/courchevel loze combo are cool. The pontarlier stage is a big let down though.
Too soft & too risky in week 1. They might loose some GC contenders in week 1.
Boring first 10 days.
Punchy stages might make for some good drama.
Nice to see the oft-ignored little town of Pau on the route this year!
I thought its same Pau that was last year and this year.
@@fangru7294 It is. OP made a sarcastic comment.
@@fangru7294 That’s where the sarcasm hides.
😂
Isn't it each year?
20:04 “You’ve used your quota” is outrageous from Benji, Mr “On Paper” himself 😂
31:07 Patrick already starting Vismas "we expected to lose more time" calculations
1:10:20 I would say the hardest you have covered was 2022 with the Col du Granon stage (with before that the Galibier by the really long side) followed by Alpe d'Huez with Galibier and Croix de Fer before it.
Just about to comment this myself!
Lol collection of Tadej's worse stage defeats, I hope it motivates him even more.
TdF directors: "Devilish"
would have been hilarious if they had put Granon instead of La Plagne
I was thinking the exact same thing. It's basically all mountaintop finishes / parcours where he got beaten in the last couple years..
Stage 18: I've ridden up the Loze in the Haute Route via Courchevel at he end of the stage... Courchevel in itself is long and brutal, the last part from Courchevel to the top is insanely difficult. After the Glandon and the col de la Madeleine and a couple of weeks in the legs... This will decide the tour. Having done it all I have to say is good luck to those poor bastards who have to do it!!!!
...and then a brutal stage the very next day. The top contenders are really gonna have a hard decision to make about how deep they go on stage 18.
The green jersey at the Vuelta is basically free money for Mads as long as the sprint stages aren't 40+ degrees
Patrick claming he has a memory from the womb is outrages lol
This route discussion really took a turn.
It's a pretty interesting subject. We know for sure that fetuses start to develop their memory. It is called prenatal or fetal memory. It is important for their development and mostly helps them recognize their parents and and other familiar sounds.
Whether or not people can actually vividly remember these memories, way later in life, is unclear. It is not that uncommon that people claim they have memories from the womb. Therefore, the idea can not just be discarded. But it is currently impossible to prove if said memory is actually from the womb, or just a different place/time or made up all together.
12:24 "van der Poel might consider doing lavuelta on a mountain bike" - Benji Naesen
No, Van der Poel has said he's considering doing mountainbike during the summer after classics and the Vuelta being his grand tour next year. It sounds a bit weird but the story is slightly different ;-)
@@patrickschellen737we know, it’s a joke ;)
22:50 "Pogacar, is he going to attack?" I'm going to call it here as a yes 😂 only reason he wouldn't attack then is if he's already attacked even earlier 😂
Pogi's said that Col de la Loze is his least favourite climb, maybe that's why it keeps getting included? 😬
Patrick shamelessly name dropping at 8:30 😂😂😂 recruit him as a peloton insider in some recap!!
I wanna see a TTT soon in the TDF, would be an advantage for Jonas.
I’m so early Pog has already won the 2025 TDF
100%
Hahaha lol. How many stages did he take?
@@J-cz7yv My guess would be 5 stages.
@@J-cz7yv 7, he won a sprint in week 1 somehow
There should be a montage of best historic performances at the same locations
On Stage 18 a good team could stick it to the Pog! But it has to be a good team that can wear out UAE. Long, steep climbs has been UAE's soft spot in the past. My fingers are crossed that this is not another walk over grand tour! I sure hope MvDP and WVA are in form for those puncheur stages!
I think it will all depend if pog has a decent advantage going into the stage. Don't think UAE will be able to pace and win him that stage, but if he has a lead then he could probably just sit in and follow the visma train. might not win but wont lose much time that way
56:50 please Patrick stop the medication
Stage 10 comparable to 11 in 2024, hautecam similar to pla d’adet, plateau de beille is a bit harder than the stage 14 2025, 18 and 19 2025 seem somewhat similar to 19-20 to 2024 but climbs are ~7km harder. Ventoux , mountain time trial make a big difference backloaded, comparing that two the galibier stage 4 in 2024. less overall elevation backload but harder cuz back end is ridiculous. Bottomline is differences between dominant GC rider will be greater. Just making sure I heard you guys correctly.
The only climb that Vingegaard could have an advantage against this 2024 new Pog is a Granon style climb, long and over 9% which isn't in this route.
29:24 Caen is pronounced "kanh" [kã], the same way as the word "quand" ;)
mont Ventoux is not in the Mercantour
Mercantour is close to the Italian border
I think stage 11 and 12 of tdf 2022 were pretty hard pairing!
The telegraphe/galibier/granon paired with granon/croix de fer/alpe dhuez...?
I would really like see an attempt to come up with a route that is *actually a route*, without jumping between finish and start too much, but still make it stand up to modern standards in terms of profile.
If lidl-trek want to maximize wins, Pedersen has to work for Milan in sprint or sprintlike stages, in the stages where Milan "maybe has a chance to survive" the team should work for Mads.
I think that both coud win more if they race together trying work for each other than race separate calendar (like in GW 24)
Do you think that lack of any mountains in 1st week is designed to pack the third week and lessen Pog chances?
No they designed this route way befor pogi won the 24 tdf
Superbagneres stage is also a repeat or near repeat of 1989 tour de france where miller beat Delgado and fignon took yellow over lemond.
Lengthening the stages and having long climbs (greater than 15km over 7 percent) is the way a team can beat TP!
2022 Granon and Alpe d'Huez pairing was pretty hard but I think you're right and this is even harder than that. Great pod as always and I'm gonna have to listen to this 10 times before July because it's such a long time until then
GC battle will start really slow next year. After a week and a half or so.
I think stage 11 could be more interesting than it seams with a really hilly final
politt, wellens, vermeersch, oliveira tadej is putting together a hell of a team for when he takes swing at roubaix....great route how did they avoid the pave up north. i understand they dont want to give tadej chance to get chunk of time before mountains but that 2nd stage 2014 where nibali put froome and alberto to sword was iconic. they have the storylines hautacam, loze, ventoux all climbs jonas hurt tadej on. i would prefer new climbs like those if im jonas as tadej will have even more motivation to redeem himself. hope to see fully fit visma with kuss and simon yates, jorgenson to help. kuss is so crucial.
uae might bring same squad but id bring mcnulty who like sivakov is great pure workker for tempo on mts or deep into finale on those hilly stages where an adam yates or joao doesn't have same raw power . joao is such enigma haha. trio of politt, wellens, soler mcnulty, sivakov is such strong group of rouleur strong side and something they copied visma on. the rouleur/classics heavy tour team visma assembled changed sport they great bike handlers, positioning , clever, great for surging racing of tour stages controlling breaks. id even consider vine instead of joao if hed had healthier year and proved he strong in service roll for gt. he was good in giro for joao and climbed great in vuelta. joao is loyal just bit of square peg in round hole in that dom role. hes tempo rider to hysterical degree its more important to him than being in the wheels.
great breakdown hope all gc favs and their teams come 100%. its almost ccrucial jonas drop tadej somewhere at least as tadej is entering that 26-32 range where athletes and especially cyclists peak. still possessing fast twitch muscles for explosiveness, but developing maturity and cerebral skills to be efficient using team and not lose race ever losing composure or focus.
who do you reckon is capable of challenging for podium besides big four guys. they are dominating cycling like federer, nadal, djokovic, murray dominated tennis. everything after sky to ineos practically, healthy bernal that never crashed would be perfect. tao, hindley, carapaz all great but none beat one of these four to win their gt except carapZ GIRO over primoz. like to see jorgenson with full squad support some time hes such an all rounder. ayuso if he left perhaps and matures. o'connor really proving tour result was no fluke with worlds and vuelta. he reminds me bit of bardet i think he could podium liege the way he rides. that course or lombardia with team and targeting could be perfect for him. enjoy holidays cheers
Thanks Ryan, always nice to hear your thoughts
@@LanterneRougeCyclingPodcast my pleasure bud apologies for not being more concise : ) ..... between you both no stone unturned, and always several things i miss. its like cliffs notes for cycling race !. hope 2025 is epic happy new year LR
40:50 Bastille Day is Fête Nationale en France
Stage 10, Ben O'Coonor trying the same like in La Vuelta
1:07:56 lolol. Keeping it real mate. Cheers 😂
Ineos should go all in for stages at this TDF with Pidcock as leader and send Rodriguez to the Giro Vuelta double. Rodriguez would lose a lot of time in the TT and would bleed time on every punchy stage due to his lack of explosiveness. Peak level Pidcock could do well on the punchy stages, get the likes of Tarling, Turner, Sheffield and Kwiato with him and it could be a break out race for Pidcock
I like how you assume Pidcock would still be racing for INEOS by then
46:45 Auch actually is the german word for also
Stage 6 is so much a Mads Pedersen stage.
For the Stage 13 TT - why bother with tt-extensions on a road bike, since in a time-trial it is allowed to use puppy-paws position, the aero difference between puppy paws and tt extensions is marginal and you are stuck with additional weight for the climb?
Can hold aero bars for longer
@@yourdeadjack Pretty sure they can handle 3.5km in puppy paws.
I'm amazed you guys find so much to laugh about. "Giulio Ciccone will start on a road bike!!!!" That's a whoooosh! for me.
Are there no time bonuses at the end of stages in 2025?
55:05 Pogi didn't win the Peyresourde stage in 2020
Can we skip to next year july?
36:47 stage 7- looks like saddam Hussein's hiding spot 😝
😭😭😭
Presuming that it's a problem which needs addressing: Have they done anything about the increasing number of stages which aren't raced till the final few km?
Are you talking about mountain stages? Nothing the race organisers can do about that, it’s the riders/tactics. If you mean flat sprint stages, there’s hardly any of them compared to the past
@@HkFinn83 What I meant specifically was the (usually sprint) stages with no breakaway at all and the riders rolling along en masse till about 15 to 20k to go. There seem to have been more of these in recent GTs.
Waited for this
Juan ayuso in the picture?
Any news on the tdff pod😊?
Available in 40 minutes! :)
Question: Is it Pannekoek or Pannenkoek or should it be Pankoek? That is the question :P Pannenkoeken is plural.
Madeleine is the most brutal climb this year....steady but meant to kill you
Roglich goes home on stage 8.
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Jonas will win at full speed 🚁
My oldest memory where I m sure I got it by myself and not beeing told that : I just got 2 and I remember eating what i thought was smarties, but they were most probably some digestions pils my sister took while on her period😂😂😂. That my parents never knew about and I remember very well the bad taste and the colour of it.
Scientists say you can actually have very old memories but it is veryyyy unsure if you are under 2. Most people remember things when they were 2,3,4.
Route reveal..is that something dangerous..?
Sprint heavy. The Cav shark is circling. Will he commit.
How many stages does Tadej or Jonas win? I feel like the better climber has a chance for at least 4-5 stage wins…
Jonas washed old uncle now is time of Evenepole
@@StrangeJoe haha I think I’d take old uncle Jonas over evenepole
Jonas is aging faster and will never develope a punch while Pogacar will be even more explosive 2025-2027.
That feels like a huge statement given Jonas was able to trade blows with Pog 3 months after puncturing his lung and breaking a bunch of bones
@@SeamalicousBang on. People thinking Jonas is washed after he spent a week with a tube in his lung at the key point in his tour prep and still took a stage off of probably the greatest rider of all time is insane. As is the idea that because he did peak watts once this tour, that it's the best we will ever see.
I think Pog is still the favourite, but I think Jonas has a WAY better chance in the '25 tour than anyone gives him credit for.
They should've had a cobbled stage
wow they make the Route for the alien probably he will win by 10 minutes will be very boring.
Lots of xfers. I feel sorry for the team bus drivers and movers.
Evenepole is 2025 champion already 🎉
Nice cap
As a superfan, you really ought to learn how to spell his name correctly.
@@lordofthemound3890 You don't know what a superfanboi is. He is dreaming of Remco's pole...
@@chrisko6439 those are small time dreams
But remcos balls are huge@@Patrick_Runnels
33km is a "long TT" - lmao really? we need 50+km TTs back!
does stage 3 not exist? 😢
Think they don’t have the info maybe?
@@ile1973the route reveal was yesterday. Here they just skipped it (they said they'd done it already and went from 2 to 4; I actually went back thinking I might have spaced off and missed it)
25:14
You guys need a rest ❤