Just to address some of the comments below.... 1) we don't get paid by brands to make these videos. We make a living by selling stuff through the Andertons store & all the matters to us is that you get something that you'll love. 2) We use the presets whenever we do these demos because we don't have a week to prepare for each demo. If the presets aren't representative of how the unit sounds, then I'm not really sure what the point of presets are. 3) we plug these types of units direct into our interface so you can hear the cab emulation from the unit - we hear it through our monitors & you hear it through yours (ie, you aren't hearing our monitors). 4) we obviously each have personal preferences about gear & all the presenters are encouraged to voice their opinions - we aren't guns for hire! So take this demo how you will - I thought Tonex was a fine piece of kit for the money, but I'm not sure we'll see it being used by Joe Bonamassa any time soon - I might be wrong & will happily eat my words if thats what happens!! And if you get one & you get the best sounds you've ever had then thats awesome & I hope it inspires you to play more as, after all, thats the whole point of getting new gear!! Cheers, Lee
Nice way to adresse it! It's true that due to some technicalities, the sound may vary depending on the environnement or the audience. It's also good to mention (from an another TH-camr, but I agree to 100%) that the captured sounds are, and will always be a CAPTURE. Not the real deal. May sounds the same, maybe not, but the user should be aware of that, and not EXPECTING to behave the same way. In comparaison to paintings, every piece of art is unique, and a reproduction will appear to be the same, but every connoisseur will know that it ain't. For anyone who has limited resources(money, space, etc..) that's a pretty damn good alternative. Probably if I had a lot of gear at home I'd buy it to capture my own sounds, but in my case I prefer to go the Fractal Audio way, and buying and EXPERTISE of already professionnaly captured gear. You guys are awesome, I've subscribed to your channel many years ago, and watch every single one of your videos. You were adapting your content since the age of time, and were pretty good at it since the beginning. Even though is hard to recreate the feeling of real gear, the feedback you give us from your point of you is spot on. 👌 Continue your good work :)
No worries Lee. I'm sure you'll have a more in-depth look later. We're just giving a heads-up on the accuracy of the captures Tonex is capable of. We still love ya. : )
I've been playing my Kemper for years, mostly using it for amp/cab with my pedalboard in front of it (because I love my pedalboard and use it with my real amps too - Carr Mercury and Brunetti Wizard). I sold a Fractal in favor of the Kemper. No regrets. I've always loved the Kemper. In that context, I bought the tonex not expecting too much. I was wrong. Selling the Kemper. The Tonex is awesome.
@@rejuvenator8966 17:25 He just riffs on it for a bit, but it sounds very authentic to the real amp. Lee hits the tubescreamer for a couple of seconds and it sounds like it takes that well too. Sounds great to me.
Normally I really love your videos but with all due respect and a lot of love, this one was a bit of an exception. I think you guys need to listen through bigger, better studio monitors, maybe add a subwoofer. If they're small and that far away it's gonna be tough to make them sound engaging to you. Many people, including famous artists, record in the studio while listening to their sound, miked in another room, through the control room monitors. If they are good monitors at a decent volume it can still be a great playing experience. A couple of points that I felt should have been made: It does in fact act as a USB recording interface, and it is extremely low noise and high dynamic range with a huge frequency response. It plays back captures made on your computer or stored within the tonex software, so you don't need your laptop on stage. It takes pedals generally a lot better than fractals, kempers or neural cortexes, and reacts more like an amp would to those. Many times in a live situation or in recording, the delays and reverbs and even modulations are added after the microphone stage, so putting those sort of effects after this pedal would sound essentially identical to that, and would a better analog to the way many a professional setting would work. If you want full range out of those devices you don't run them through your guitar cabinets. We have fractals and kempers here in our studio, and I believe that this keeps up with them from a capture and IR standpoint, irrespective of the price point. When you factor that in too, it becomes quite amazing. You might want to revisit this pedal after a rethink. I think you might have done your sales on this product a disservice.
But I still love anderton's and I'm glad they are out there. Their videos have gotten me through many a tough day. And digital John's playing is always a pleasure.
@TC No, I don't. I have no affiliation with any software, amp or pedal manufacturer. As I said in my comment, I run a recording studio. This is purely my opinion, based on direct experience with gear.
@TC No, but I do. Can I answer any questions for you? You can try TONEX software and see how you like it if you don't trust what others are saying. The software Tone Models are what you load on to the pedal. Who knows, you might even like it.
Given these considerations, I can tell that it doen;t make any sense for the 99% of people who are bedroom player to buy a TOneX, if such a rig is necessary to perceive valuable difference with regular modellers.
They’re being true to themselves, calling this profiling or capturing is a joke. Still haven’t found a single video where their captures sound like the amps captured.
16:10 Guys, the FX chain loops the signals between pre and power amp. The TONEX can be fed directly into a power amp. Put your effects in front of it and that's it. You don't have to find a fly in the ointment now, just because the pricing of the other profilers/modelers becomes obsolete by this device. ;-)
@@n.s.a5661 Well, let me start by welcoming you to our wonderful tribal community of guitar addicts. The effect loop is a feature from the classic amp architecture. The effects you want to loop in are placed between the pre-amp and the power amp. There is a difference between parallel and serial looping. But that is not important here. The ToneX is not intended to be used like a classic amp or an alternative amp setup. Therefore, the objection that an FX loop is missing is actually irrelevant. I hope this was of some help to you.
@@MicCostanzo people are so dogmatic. They act like putting a reverb in line on the front end hasn’t been being done by pro musicians for decades. Not every amp has a loop. 2 of my all time favorite amps I own don’t. Guess what? It’s fine. 🤦🏻♂️
@@tommilitello198 The first amps with loop were already built in the late 60s and in the early 70s it became more and more popular. By the way, it was one of the most requested custom modifications - even for plexis. It only took until the 80s that it became a regular feature. But if it's about terminology for you: It's a classic feature, but maybe not in vintage amps. Better?
You have to use these types of products to their strengths. None of these profiling/ capturing units will give you “amp in the room” tone. You’ll need an actual cabinet if you want real air moving. It can, however, give you “amp mic’d up in the next room” tone. The room, mics, and any boards/mixers that we’re used will all color the tone. So they’re great for consistency if your playing live going to front of house or recording. You don’t have to depend on any sound guys or use their house sm57’s to mic up.
I really like tuning in to your gear testing but amp in the room .. anti digital bias is getting old. I consistently play on silent stages with in ear monitoring and I think this is true for many people. I need insights and advice for the best gear and approaches in this space. I hope we can hear more of that in the future. With that said thanks for all you do to serve the community.
They aren’t using it properly so what do you expect it’s designed for pedal boards not for your laptop and monitors. Obviously if your going to use it that way you would just use Tonex software and the pedal is not needed. Kind of shaking my head at this.
@@BkBk-gy6vr you aren’t comparing the same things? What about people who want to take a capture of their actual amp (or a killer profile of an amp they don’t own) and use it with their own pedalboard? Not everyone wants an all in one. For the record my main unit is an FM9 so I personally wouldn’t use this much either, but what I can say is that in terms of the amp sounds, it’s absolutely amazing and perfect for a lot of purposes.
As someone living in an apartment, I really like this pedal, because I just want decent guitar sound and guitar recording experience, getting rid of mics, amps or DAW lag, at a decent price. I was going after one of the UAFX pedals before this came out.
The UA units are far better sounding. The Dream actually sounds real. There’s nothing in Tonex that comes close. I’ve got both units by the way but am returning the Tonez as I really don’t like the sound of it at all.
Yeah that is why I got it also. I was looking to get an interface to play through my pc and headphones, I also wanted a gate and a compressor. Then I saw this.. Now I have the things I needed for the same price AND I get amp capturing as a bonus.
Captain, aka Lovely Lee, I think you should have run it through a FRFR Cabinet, like the Line 6 Powercab or the Headrush for getting more of that air movement feel. Though I could be wrong. Would be nice though to see an in depth follow up video with Digital John on this, using a FRFR and how he would use it with other units like the HX Stomp and Neutral DSP. Also would like to know what kind of equipment you would put with this Tonex pedal on a pedaltrain Nano Max or Nano plus for gigging. With experienced gigger Pete also putting in his two cents. So you would have a very versatile board and if you would for example would use the midi feature of the Tonex and in which way. Anyway, very nice and informative video. Keep up the good work!
Tonex is doing the most accurate amp captures on the planet right now, and this little piece of gear is amazing. Can't believe how dismissive they were of it. The fact that IK brought this to market for 399 is incredible. Kemper rested on their laurels, and Neural _still_ hasn't delivered on their QC promises. This fills a great niche for people that want the most accurate amp tones, but nothing else.
Do you feel that way about the high gain captures too? I really wanted to love Tonex. I pre-ordered, anxiously awaited and when I played the high gain models, they felt quite lifeless to me and way more polite than the real models. Felt the same with Amplitude. Also, you nailed the assessment of Kemper and the Neural QC lol
@TC Mine sounds real to me, although my amps are _loud;_ this allows me to turn way down or just throw headphones on. There will always be a place for amps tho. I already have pedals galore so love that you just use what you already have with this and there's no deep menu fiddling.
As a harmonica player, this Tonex player seems very enticing, if ... it can be patched with the elusive combination of unobtainably rare & expensive amps that actually sound & work well for amplified harmonica. Whether or not it'll be achievable at any stage it's hard to say, but I love the concept of having an all-in-one tone box, then plug into a clean amp, FR/FR speaker or PA. I think the price point of the Tonex is pretty reasonable considering what other products cost. In the meantime, I'll sit on the fence and think about it.
I've decided to get the Tonex Pedal because I've tried the free version of the tonex plugin and I loved it ! Try it before you go ahead and spent 400 Bucks in a product that maybe you don't like.
Kemper needs a spot in guitar gear museum right next to Line 6 Pod. Once a pioneer, but now obsolete. Line 6 as an innovating company pushed on however, and Kemper did not.
So far, the IK profiles sound about the best. People will get better at it though. I think its a cool product. Its not on par with the QC, or Kemper, its better at profiling.
My experience has been the opposite with a lot of time on tone net so far. Granted there is some mud to sift through to find the gold on tone net, but IME the great user-uploaded tone models on there blow 95% of the IK profiles away. Sort tone net by likes/downloads and the top user tone models are fantastic.
@@BkBk-gy6vr I play a Mark V 25 all of the time and I was impressed. I saw a null test done and Tonex beat a Kemper an a QC. Captain really isnt into digital, I think he was quick to write it off, I mean, that and he sells way more expensive things that do the same thing lol
@@saint__andrew I noticed that some tone models have barely any range when it comes to the tone stack then others have quite a bit. But when you find good ones, I think they sound awesome.
@@BkBk-gy6vr LOL how would you know what I've owned? No bullshit, I had an FM3 (which I also love) when I tried out toneX for the first time. I couldn't decide which I liked better, but ultimately decided to sell the FM3 and go all in with the toneX software and pedal because it makes so much more sense for my use case. #1 I had planned to build a pedalboard around the FM3 but makes so much more sense to do that with the toneX pedal because the FM3 is way too big and clunky, and I don't need the extra processing power and FX. #2 I record a lot and using the toneX plugin eliminates my need to re-amp like I would need to with the FM3, and then I can easily take my tones on the go. I posted this comment earlier and I assume andertons deleted it because I hinted at some inherent bias in this vid and the reason why they weren't impressed. Either way I would say there are so many other videos you can find on youtube to give you a better representation of how great this pedal can sound - I would not base your opinion on their first impressions here...
Try Joe's Favorite Patch - Bonamassa's Actual Dumble ODS, it's the best capture of the ODS gain I've heard or played on any platform. And Kemper has quite a few good variations to choose from.
I have not messed with any of the digital stuff, amp profiles, irs, etc. I use a tube amp and a shitload of effects. But this is really cool. It makes me want to get one and mess with stuff cuz its much more affordable than a kemper or a fractal or whatever the other ones are. It's cool, great vid guys.
Dont. There are plenty of better options that sound better, and are most likely more affordable. Look into the HX stomp, or if you have a decent amount of pedals; the strymon iridium which sounds the best to me
@@nickp440 Don't take our word for it, just look even in just these comments to see that TONEX is what people are saying sounds better. Also, one of the options you mention is double the price (at PROMO pricing) and the other has 3 amps on board... Also, one is a multifx unit which is not what TONEX Pedal ever claimed to be (and again is double the price even at promo pricing). TONEX Pedal has 150 slots and access to 1000 Premium Tone Models via the included software and thousands more on ToneNET (at the same price as the unit you mention which has... 3 amps). Those Tone Models which people say, even in these comments, sound better than other options that cost far far more.
@@ikmultimedia if its anything like amplitube, youll probably have to spend hundreds of dollars on one of your cute little stores. This demo sounded absolutely horrible as well. Coming at a potential customer like this is another reason why i would never consider buying any of your products. Save money and buy a neural DSP plugin; youre not going to use TONEXXXXXXXXXXX anywhere but your bedroom studio; lets be honest.
@@nickp440 Read the other comments about this particular demo, then watch some more videos, try the software for yourself. We "came at" no one - we are allowed to counter misinformation, though. TONEX and TONEX Pedal are bona fide hits, but I am sincerely sorry to hear it isn't for you. Maybe we'll hit the mark for you next time, or we'll continue to have all kinds of musicians (not only the "bedroom studio" musicians you are insulting but also the whole range up through pros) who do prefer to use them make their own choice. I appreciate your feedback, thank you.
If this was approached as a dedicated mic less studio tool with conceivably every amp in existence on your desktop indistinguishable from a mic”d amp for 400 bucks how can you not be in awe of this unit . The fact that you can also gig on silent stages anywhere in the world with a suitcase sized rig is astonishing !! Let’s give the tired old “ doesn’t flap my jeans “ comparison a rest and focus what it does do.
I like Digital John but bear in mind that he does some work for Neural DSP, so he can't really say its better than the QC. When John says no one when making captures get it bang on the money he touches his nose which indicates that he's not being 100% up front about the subject. I imagine Neural and Kemper et al are on the back foot with this surprisingly reasonably priced unit.
They dismissed it as a subsitute for a modeller, for whom is an end user (aka tone downlaoder only). Otherwise, what is it? A non tweakable good sounding presets library? No flexibility to create its own tone, only to use Joe's tone he decided to upload, wiht his mics, in his room, with his knob settings. ToneX only makes sense for profilling players, and that is probably only 1% of IK customer's base. I think fair that Andertons set the record straight for the average bedroom player, in stating that the tweakability is very reduced, and that the tones are great, but not much more groundbreaking than the great modeller that are out there - and non tweakable, a big weakness.
I just don’t understand why with the Quad Cortex they did a 30 minutes video comparing the real amp vs the capture and with the Tonex pedal is like “let’s hear a few presets and that’s it”.
I'm sure this is a great product - I use their X-Space pedal - and for those who spend their lives on chasing or modeling amps it should work fine. It's all too much like falling down a rabbit hole for me and I just want to play guitar and make music. The reverb pedal is twiddly enough already. Have fun modelers!
I’ve been using Tone-X software since it’s release, picked 8 of my favourite captures and set them as presets, control it via a midi controller. I’ve actually spent less time down the rabbit hole than with Amplitube. So while there is a glut of choice, once you’ve found what you want, you just add it to presets and you’re done. Midi controller means no faffing with a mouse. Biggest downfall of my set-up was the necessity of launching software and sitting near the PC. The Tone-X pedal solves this problem for me and the quality is excellent. I can now play and practice away from my PC w/ my pedalboard, Tone-X and speakers or headphones. YMMV of course.
I have to respectfully and wholeheartedly disagree lol I think this is quite literally one of the worst representations of toneX that I've seen so far, mostly due to them sticking to IK's terrible stock presets and the digital world so clearly not being Captain's thing. The user-posted tone models sound SO much better and I think their impression of the unit would've been much more positive if they had played through some of the most downloaded or most liked models on tone net.
@saint andrew you're correct. It sounds like ass. But presets usually do. Sonic drive studio did a video on it and it's much better using his own profile
@@Almonzo246 I've never used the headrush but I think the answer to that question mostly depends on whether you're needing all the FX the mx5 provides? If you solely need the best amp/cab tones go with the toneX but if you're wanting an all-in-one multi-FX unit the headrush will be much better suited for that.
The general consensus is that the captures are actually better than kemper and QC. Some accuracy tests have been done and ToneX nails it the closest. I will admit some of the preset captures aren’t that good though.
@@neildeakin4454 Forums, TH-cam comparisons, etc. Check out the video by Mendel bij de Leij ,especially the portion where he does the reverse phase test. People are admittedly selling their kempers for this. But these are all just opinions in the end…..
@@neildeakin4454 There is a youtube vid where they compare all 3 profilers. They use a null test- reversing phase. Perfect reproduction (or original amp) yields NO sound. TONEX is miles ahead in this scientific test. MILES.
th-cam.com/video/Avhih6805YU/w-d-xo.html 20:00 mark. Its a scientific comparison. Like what you like, but there is very good reason why some are really enjoying tonex amp tones. Btw. NAM (freeware profile) is even more scientifically accurate than Tonex, but no community/hardware.
I love this thing. For 1/6 th the price of a Kemper, I can capture my favorite amps and drive pedals and take them with me. Add a GT1000 core and a EXP pedal and you have a super small portable rig with all your favorite tube amps and pedals, for far less than a Kemper, QC, Fractal, etc
I've messed about a fair bit with digital, in fact my entire set up now is on guitar rig on pc....and that was as clear as mud in parts I've got to say lol
comparing this to one of UA/ walrus/ strymon PEDALS Is probably a better comparison than to any of the floor modellers and what you might get at a price point.
Its all about the tonenet and captures. Hand in hand with the ToneX app, 6000+ user tone models plus capture your own Amp. Then put that in the middle of your pedal board. You didn't showcase your own captures but trust me it does what the Kemper and Quad C does in a smaller more affordable setup minus the effects. Pair it with HX Stomp and a power pedal you got a gig rig on the floor.
Should they have transfered the captures to the pedal and then put it on a pedal board to output to a powered cab or pa system to get a more convincing sound?
We'd definitely love to see our gear used as intended so here's one vote for you. Another popular use case is in the fx loop of a multifx unit (since TONEX Pedal never looked to be that multifx pedal, we weren't coming for your multifx pedals... yet).
@@ikmultimedia Yet? Oooh, that sounds like I'll be buying the ToneX pedal now and then whatever 'yet' turns into later! And yeah, as someone already mentioned, blindfold Lee and see if he can hear the difference between this and the actual physical setup the capture was based on.
There is an issue where you can have both the pedal + software running at the same time as well, and some of these sound like that (feedback, lots of gain, etc.) It's pretty clear these guys have not really spent time with this or thought about this review at al. It's probably the WORST review of this on TH-cam now and they're just going to stick to their initial opinion that they don't like it. Lost a lot of respect for them from this review.
So essentially, it is isolating the capture and "profile" concept at a lower price point than was previously available. This is great if you are a player who enjoys using a pedal board and wants to bundle up your amp (and possibly cab) tone into a pedal format for live gigs. I don't see much use for it in the studio or for anyone already using full modelling capabilities of existing units like Helix, Kemper etc.
I think this is more intended as a Strymon Iridium killer than as a full-blown multieffect. In that regard, an FX loop would be a good thing to have - frankly, I'd want my signal chain to be as amp-like as possible, and that generally involves putting modulation, reverbs, delays etc between the pre-amp and the IR in a (partially) digital rig. I also think a lot of these products have pre-sets that aren't necessarily representative of what the unit can *really* do - which is a shame for demo videos and especially first-impressions.
16:20 A delay before an IR is no different than a delay after an IR. Mathematically, IRs are linear transforms, and when using them with other linear effects (which delay and reverb are), you get the same result regardless of order. Note: putting delay and reverb in a real amp's effects loop IS a bit different, because power amp compression is nonlinear. But no modeler I'm aware of has a "virtual effects loop" which actually inserts between the pre and power amp of the amp model.
I’ve tried a dozen different amp modeling systems, but they all sound terrible on headphones.. I had the MX5 , but couldn’t vibe with it. None felt like an amp in a room. With Tonex, however I can finally play something that sounds and reacts like a real amp. Like any system, including a new amp, it takes a bit to fine tune them. There is a particular fumble capture that sounds better than anything I have played. The Princeton capture is great. In fact, many are amazing. I have a 10 watt VOX that I love, but I can’t play it at the sweet spot unless nobody is home! This lets me try a bunch of amps that sound great and actually see what amps I would even build a rig around. For me this is a great alternative to getting an attenuator for my amp.
I watched lots of videos of the QC before i purchased. It wasn't my first choice, the FM3 was, but that wasn't available and there was a waiting list (suddenly became available as soon as I ordered the QC from Andertons lol). Anyway, I have heard videos of the TONEX by other channels and was blown away. Sounded superb. I was equally blown away by videos of the QC, sounded superb. Very happy with the QC, the built in amps are superb. Just be careful with online reviewers because they may not be telling you the whole story, example... The Studio rats, another channel I enjoy a lot. Paul's review of the QC and his playing really helped sell me the QC, describing how it felt just like playing through a real amp and immediate. Now, 1 yr later he does a live stream with a friend, Episode 140, and basically dismisses the QC and says 'they' didn't like it, didn't like the feel. He had already shown us his 'TONEX' pedal board by this point.
Lee is totally uninformed in this video. And it's not about his roots being in tube-amp world. He just didn't do any homework. ToneX is your amp and cab for live performances. The rest of what it offers (compressor, reverb, etc.) is interesting, but in the context of a full pedalboard, probably not very useful. Especially since there is no FX loop. You will want your fx outboard from the ToneX. ANd, moreover, the idea of capturing a drive pedal ONLY makes sense if it is a VERY expensive drive pedal (like a real Klon Centaur) since this things costs $400 - why would I dedicate the ToneX to a capture of a Tube Screamer or a Timmy that I could buy and put on my board much more cheaply (and stack them if I want to)? The ToneX Pedal is an amp replacement. I sort of wish it didn't provide cabs as part of the capture. I wish they were amp only (I know they can be, but many creators will be capturing amp and cab together). If a capture (Tone Model) is amp only, you can then add in your own IR in something like a Mooer Radar, and you can insert your time based pedals after amp/before cab. And for me, I use a power amp and guitar cabinet, so I really don't want cabs to be part of the capture. Finally, keep in mind that most presets from MultiFX companies really suck (I deleted all factory presets in my HX Stomp day one - they are just terrible). So why would you expect that these Tone Models / Presets would sound fantastic? At minimum, they need tweaking. But more likely, you need to buy better captures, or create your own from your own amps with your favorite settings.
There is couple of hundred of modellings and basically your realistic job is to find only that golden one from any given style. I can tell there is some real gems there. Others(most) you just can(must) just skip in one second. But the essence is how the model compares to real tube chain touch wise? I can get the exact copy of the sound as reamped but it totally feels different and is not playable. That makes sense as the tones crosses at that exact playing touch but deviate grossly if played just a little bit differently. Other model can be playable too. But then there is some models which sound truely heavenly when reamped. They are not to be played but to be recorded. i think Tonex on PC (I would say Tonex SE) is the best tool there to learn about different types of amps and cabs. So if you use traditional say real Marshall JCM 800 style tube amp and couple of SM57s and 10" speakers in a closet to record your track and then reamp with say Ampilitube 5 and Tonex Max then you've got inifinite possibilities and good learning space to find a way get it right out of the bat. But I like more the big chance Tonex offers learning about amp/cab combinations.
Nice to see another affordable amp pedal for players who do silent stage gigs ...I can see this being a handy bit of kit for IEM players....presets seem a little overblown tho but they often are
I have a Friendman Smallbox 50. I used a Kemper Stage, a Quad Cortex, the TONEX, and NAM to profile/capture that amp. Only NAM really manages to recreate it properly. But, the TONEX pedal does it well enough, that it makes me picking up my guitar more. It sits on my desk and when I feel like it I plug in the guitar and the headphones and just jam around. As simple as that. The Quad Cortex added a raspiness to the capture, that made me go, "this is not my amp at all". Even the other models/captures available for QC don't really do it for me and I always feel quite disconnected from my guitar, as it were. The Kemper-experience was also underwhelming, as it couldn't really capture the sound of my amp. Thus my personal ranking is 1. NAM, 2. TONEX (yeah, also the pedal), 3. QC, 4. Kemper.
Bad review. Sorry guys. I get you dont like these pedals cpt. its obvious. you can buy every amp / pedal / gutar you want but thats not the most of us...
This unit is a recording interface, but the lack of xlr forces you into using another interface or their tone x capture/reamp box to actually capture. Clunky, but probably done to keep the footprint and price small.
@@jan-paulvanderhoeven1639 I used to be a snob too and then I learned to play and that's when I understood , that’s ok Modeling Amps sounds so good if you take the time to adjust absolutely all the details Most of the mistakes people make is that they take the basic presets or barely modify them and then complain about the sound quality
It's not about snobbery. I have a Helix floor unit that I used to use for small gigs, and it worked great for that. There's no way I could ever use it to it's full potential. It's got too much stuff. It's option overload. I haven't played a gig in years and my Helix hasn't left it's backpack until about two weeks ago, when I was looking for a certain cable. I'd forgotten just how big and heavy the Helix is. It's still smaller than a medium sized pedalboard. I don't really use pedals at home though. I plug straight into my little Vibro-Champ and just play. It's simple and relaxing. For me, that's what music is supposed to be. If I plugged the Helix into the front of my amp, I'd spend more time messing with menus than actually enjoying the gear. The Helix has great sounds and, for folks who like messing with all the options, that's great. I'm not judging anyone for that. I just prefer to plug and play these days. You know, the K.I.S.S. principle (Keep It Simple, Stupid). I'm still keeping the Helix, for now. Who nows if I'll need it for a future gig?
@@jimmyparris9892 The principle itself of modeling is that it sounds much better because you have access to absolutely all settings. However, I agree it's quite tedious because you have to take the time to adjust everything. So, no judgment here, I prefer it because everything is in the same package, it's much better than all the tube apps I've owned in my life. What do you personally use now?
@@alexdenton6586 I actually only have 2 amps, a little Tweed Champ clone and a Vibro Champ reverb amp. They can still be too loud if I want some dirt, so I may plug in an ODR1 or a Marshall BB2 pedal. I'm just too lazy to mess with anything else.
It a suitcase for amps and tones. And they're missing that part of it. The average musicians could capture his amp and take this pedal to band practice with any speaker configuration and be able to practice
*The average musician can capture some tones of his amp. In order to 'capture his amp', one would need to do ~ 1,000,000 captures for each amp in order to have a (just decent) coverage of the various combinations of knob settings.
From videos that i have seen here on TH-cam comparing captures of amps on Kemper, Quad cortex and Tonex with the captures tube amp and speaker i would have to say that Tonex got the closest and it was so close that i could hardly make out any difference so its not worse just because its cheaper its just a much simpler product with pretty much just the amp tones while the others have a lot of effects and IO etc.
This basically is the QC for the price of an Iridium… and yeah they feel very unbalanced “for the price can it be as good” actually isn’t the question: “ha the tech evolved so it’s actually better”?
@@masterofreality230 I am on the fractal forum and there it was a welcome addition. People there are eager to use it in combination with their Fractal devices. Myself included...
and this is what kemper hasnt clicked onto yet. i would buy a kemper that was a smaller version (either lunchbox head or pedal sized) that only loaded profiles, cause lets face it most of us dont have a plethora of high end emps to profile and will just buy or find the profiles we want and just use them
Exactly. And for that use (aka accurate sounding presets), it just doesn;t make sense, or one must have a decent amount of money to buy all the extra quality capture packs. And just for that, in order to have a decent coverage of 50 capture for 10 amps, one should factor another $3,000-5,000 - noting that the full version of Amplitube that includes 100 + great amp models, 100+ effects, 30+ cabs, goes for $300. Hence why, for what you (and 95% of us want to do), a great modeller makes much more sense, and also allows for much more tweakability (at least for whom doesn;t want to just limit oneself to cover famous songs - aka presets).
Needs to be made clear again, the Tonex pedal can't do the capturing, it merely stores what you have captured or others have captured using the Tonex software and re-amp boxes etc. So you are not replacing a Kemper or a QC with just this pedal, you need a few other bits if you plan on capturing/profiling amps. If you plan on just using other peoples profiles then yes this is all you need. (as well as the tonex software)
Besides using it with pedals it could be a great addition in the loop of a modeler/multieffect for better or more varied amp tones, maybe you already own an old modeler/multieffect but while the effects are still fine the amp tones are not.
Yes, many people are starting to use TONEX Pedal in the loop of their existing multifx pedals and getting great results. Sometimes (many times) replacing the amp block in their multifx units with the TONEX amp Tone Models :) We're flattered by that.
SAtudio monitors are one thing.... powered speakers are another. I bought a 250 watt powered PA speaker for a practice space vocal amp once. It can REALLY get a thump going when i run my daw into it from the interface. Ive actually used it live once, with my scarlet and a cheap HP labtop because of output transoformer failure in my old blue voodoo head (literally at rehersal morning of the gig). No PA either at the "venue", so my blues jr and kitana weren't an option. I had more compliments afterward on my sound then i EVER had with the blue voodoo. It's actually the only show ive ever played where more then one person complimented my tone directly after the show) No matter how much i prefer the feel of using the head in a live mix setting, the compliments on my sound were not lost on deaf ears, thats for sure. (I was using a marshle silver jubilee amp sim, tube screamer vst, and stl tones nadir with an orange 2x12 impulse, got my pushed clean and gritty sounds rolling back the guitar volume) Im getting a tonex for sure, could profile my live rig itself and use that as a backup instead of some sketchy DAW rig The tonex has me abandoning all of those ideas. And that must be a set of non potted PAFs in that les paul. The microphonics were painful with headphones
In my opinion, just turn off the cabsim and play through the amp's back. Check it out and see if it sounds like an amp. Hope to see your videos in the future
Good review but the primary concern for me is how does it feel?, how is the finger to fret connection?, does it respond to fret finger pressure?............most reviews of these type of devices miss the mark of talking about that....
delay front of pedaL wouldn't be desirable , doesn't have a F/X loop so definitely after the pedal you can go before an external reverb pedal don't have to use an external Verb because theres 3 kinds of reverb built in and tweakable, I always like delay last so I'd personally go with that . drive ,distortion ,wah wah and some some modular F/X always before the Tonex some after that would be trial and error. this is a cool pedal I grabbed one on sale and also got the "Axe I/O one" cheapest IK media interface capable of amp modeling , because you will need a another piece of hardware to Model amps not that IK Media says much about that before you buy the Tonex pedal , but with sale price on both and with a little jam points it was still around $400 for both thats much less then a Kemper or Vortex and more potable . I still like real tube amps best but it's nice to have all these options and sounds to your disposal for different scenarios. and a new hobby lol.
It's crazy what Amplitube is doing. Does it capture it 100% no but it's the closest and best you'll get. What I want is a giant touch screen with Amplitube built in that has attached 10 different physical stomps for pedals and a left and right stomp to change presets. This will eliminate the need for a computer because Amplitube is built in. Once they can build that, it's game over. You won't need a physical amp anymore unless you just prefer it over digital. This is close but you still need a computer to import tones and modify presets etc. Just a little too much imo and Tone X doesn't have many pedals compared to Amplitube 5 itself.
@@Poepopdestoep Nor could I hear a difference between the real amps vs Amplitube models + cab IR, so... (except that AT models are fully tweakable, while tone captures are just snapshots of amps in a single preset).
Yes and ToneX are not simulations, but just snapshots. I agree with you: if they could make a GT-1000 with Amplitube software in place of Boss ToneStudio, coupled with an IR loader, it would be game over for the floor modeller market. Profiler only make sense for whom want to capture their own amps... I mean for whom still think that their audience will hear a difference between a model of their amp vs a direct tone capture of their amp... lol
look at this way... when we listen to your videos we are essentially hearing the equivalent of what the tone x and other similar units are doing. We are listening to mic'd cabinets etc... on these demos through earbuds, stereo speakers, studio monitors. We never get the "amp in the room" experience anyway. So I think trying to evaluate something like the tone x on that level is kind of pointless. They only thing we can say as listeners is that we like it or we don't.
sometimes it seems as if Andertons don't follow what's happening on the internet about a particular device when they are looking into a new piece of kit. The stock profiles on the ToneX mostly suck, even if you tweak the presets. But when you load some proper profiles from the Studio Rats or Tone Junkie, you can hear that the unit is on par with Kemper in terms of accuracy and feel. I own both now and I like Tone X maybe even more than the Kemper. Another thing is that the Tone X doesn't have a low and cut filter, so a lot of usable models sound too fuzzy without one. I compensate for that with an external EQ on another multi-FX pedal or mixer.
Ha :) !! Finally a review that is NOT in love before the thing gets powered up. As seen in these comments, most everyone is overwhelmingly positive about this pedal, well before most people have a real one to try.....Therefore, Andertons really should do a follow to their Boss IR200 review and compare these with whatever monitors or signal path you want to run.
I for one would love to see that comparison, both units interest me (if I had a load of my own amps to profile I am pretty sure the tonex would win out), but I am not certain I want to sift through other peoples idea of how to dial in an amps tone), genuinly interested in both for added range of tones, would love to see the shoot out!
Yep, and the majority of effects will give *identical* results before the IR or after the IR. The only exceptions are nonlinear effects like compressors, but those wouldn’t go in an effects loop anyway.
Very interesting. I have seen several videos of the unit, where the Tonex sounds better than both kemper and quad cortex in direct comparisons, and almost ZERO difference to the real amps themselves. I am going to have to go with, the existing factory captures are not nearly as good as other professionally made ones. Just my 2 cents. And in direct opposites, this is one of few videos out there where it doesnt sound that good....hahaha
I feel like this isn’t the best review… I bought the software about a week ago and have found some amazing presets. I think quite a few of the unbiased channels have compared them to Kemper and the QC and it shows how close they are. The Kemper is miles behind the other 2 and this is easily on a par with the QC modelling-wise. If all you wanted was an amp modeller and wanted to use your own effects then I think this is a no brainer compared to the iridium, acs-1 and all of the UA pedals that came out recently. They’re the devices (along with the Kemper) that I think will lose sales rapidly because of this.
It’s a cool solution if you have a bunch of amps you like and you are a pedal user as well. It’s even great stacking with a HX stomp or a quad cortex. For 400 quid - no brainer.
@@BkBk-gy6vr You wouldn't be able to tell the difference between this mediocre poo and the real amp if your life depended on that and not even mention between this and Quad Cortex. 😉
Yeah, I wish I watched this first. So many people have been raving about this pedal and the other YT videos make it sound awesome. Maybe they fixed it in post or something, because I have been playing around with it and it sounds like garbage. SO, SO, So digital!!! It reminds me of all my crap gear from the 80's that led us all to say "Yeah, it has every single sound except the right one." I only got it because I wanted a small pedal that would allow me to take some modelled amps with me to the gig. I couldn't get the Boss IR-2, because NOBODY has it in stock right now. So, I figured, I would pay an extra $100 and "step up" to this Tonex pedal everyone is raving about. I should have waited. Even if the IR-2 doesn't live up to the hype, either, at least it is priced right. With this pedal, I might as well have just taken my cash and set it on fire. Garbage, garbage, garbage. And I think your video captured it. Everything sounds like crap, and you guys have no qualms saying so. I appreciate the honesty. I just wish I had heard it sooner.
Tonex sounds amazing. Sorry, but you're doing something wrong. It might be something as simple as dialing in input trim. It's a crucial feature that most often gets overlooked.
Valeton GP200 for the win and I can plug it into my DAW, Thanks for the great review. I thought it was strange that FX weren't included in the TONEX too. The Captain tells it like it is. 😃
I'd love to see a series on "Extremely Affordable" rigs. not 1,000 pounds but drop it to 500. something for a budding guitarist who wants more than a practice amp and is ready to start performing. Maybe let each person start with a "Starter Kit" and an equal amount of cash for effects and a gigable amp. Who can make the better rig???
11:54 can someone please advise the name of the song this is from? It sounds very familiar and I’m kicking myself I can’t remember the name! Between 11:54 and 11:57. Many thanks in advance!
Budget: 10 000 $ for Pete, 10 000$ for Digital John. Pete,all analog, John all modeling. Guitar, Amp,Pedals .Complete Rig. Who would have better sound in the room? Who would have better recording sound? Who would be able to cover more styles? John would need to have cab as well with power amp,or powered cab. Now,that would be interesting video.
Probably Digital John with a $400 ToneX, $600 guitar and $9,000 of tone captures packages, covering 3-4 amps. That said, with under $1,000, I think also digital John, with a $300 Nux MG30 and a $700 guitar.
Just to address some of the comments below.... 1) we don't get paid by brands to make these videos. We make a living by selling stuff through the Andertons store & all the matters to us is that you get something that you'll love. 2) We use the presets whenever we do these demos because we don't have a week to prepare for each demo. If the presets aren't representative of how the unit sounds, then I'm not really sure what the point of presets are. 3) we plug these types of units direct into our interface so you can hear the cab emulation from the unit - we hear it through our monitors & you hear it through yours (ie, you aren't hearing our monitors). 4) we obviously each have personal preferences about gear & all the presenters are encouraged to voice their opinions - we aren't guns for hire! So take this demo how you will - I thought Tonex was a fine piece of kit for the money, but I'm not sure we'll see it being used by Joe Bonamassa any time soon - I might be wrong & will happily eat my words if thats what happens!! And if you get one & you get the best sounds you've ever had then thats awesome & I hope it inspires you to play more as, after all, thats the whole point of getting new gear!! Cheers, Lee
well said
Nice way to adresse it! It's true that due to some technicalities, the sound may vary depending on the environnement or the audience. It's also good to mention (from an another TH-camr, but I agree to 100%) that the captured sounds are, and will always be a CAPTURE. Not the real deal. May sounds the same, maybe not, but the user should be aware of that, and not EXPECTING to behave the same way.
In comparaison to paintings, every piece of art is unique, and a reproduction will appear to be the same, but every connoisseur will know that it ain't. For anyone who has limited resources(money, space, etc..) that's a pretty damn good alternative.
Probably if I had a lot of gear at home I'd buy it to capture my own sounds, but in my case I prefer to go the Fractal Audio way, and buying and EXPERTISE of already professionnaly captured gear.
You guys are awesome, I've subscribed to your channel many years ago, and watch every single one of your videos. You were adapting your content since the age of time, and were pretty good at it since the beginning. Even though is hard to recreate the feeling of real gear, the feedback you give us from your point of you is spot on. 👌
Continue your good work :)
Good call mate.
No worries Lee. I'm sure you'll have a more in-depth look later. We're just giving a heads-up on the accuracy of the captures Tonex is capable of. We still love ya. : )
How incredibly unreasonable of you! 😂
I've been playing my Kemper for years, mostly using it for amp/cab with my pedalboard in front of it (because I love my pedalboard and use it with my real amps too - Carr Mercury and Brunetti Wizard). I sold a Fractal in favor of the Kemper. No regrets. I've always loved the Kemper.
In that context, I bought the tonex not expecting too much. I was wrong. Selling the Kemper. The Tonex is awesome.
I’m keeping the Kemper especially now with liquid. But I do like and use the tonex software 😀👍
No delay. $750 Australia
No delay for $750 Australia. And there even adding tube screamers.
As somebody who owned a real AFD100 for many years, I think the profile here sounded really great. Best tone in the video for sure.
What time signature is that in the video? I'm too lazy to watch the whole thing but want to hear the AFD :/
@@rejuvenator8966 17:25 He just riffs on it for a bit, but it sounds very authentic to the real amp. Lee hits the tubescreamer for a couple of seconds and it sounds like it takes that well too. Sounds great to me.
@@Simto Wow, that definitely sounds like AFD record sound right there! Can't believe how underwhelmed these guys were 😂
Haha yeah, it sounded great. I was surprised about their reaction to that tone specifically. It sounds like it'll sit great in a rock mix too.
@@rejuvenator8966 I think it was in 4/4 but I didn't get my metronome out
Normally I really love your videos but with all due respect and a lot of love, this one was a bit of an exception. I think you guys need to listen through bigger, better studio monitors, maybe add a subwoofer. If they're small and that far away it's gonna be tough to make them sound engaging to you. Many people, including famous artists, record in the studio while listening to their sound, miked in another room, through the control room monitors. If they are good monitors at a decent volume it can still be a great playing experience. A couple of points that I felt should have been made: It does in fact act as a USB recording interface, and it is extremely low noise and high dynamic range with a huge frequency response. It plays back captures made on your computer or stored within the tonex software, so you don't need your laptop on stage. It takes pedals generally a lot better than fractals, kempers or neural cortexes, and reacts more like an amp would to those. Many times in a live situation or in recording, the delays and reverbs and even modulations are added after the microphone stage, so putting those sort of effects after this pedal would sound essentially identical to that, and would a better analog to the way many a professional setting would work. If you want full range out of those devices you don't run them through your guitar cabinets. We have fractals and kempers here in our studio, and I believe that this keeps up with them from a capture and IR standpoint, irrespective of the price point. When you factor that in too, it becomes quite amazing. You might want to revisit this pedal after a rethink. I think you might have done your sales on this product a disservice.
But I still love anderton's and I'm glad they are out there. Their videos have gotten me through many a tough day. And digital John's playing is always a pleasure.
@TC No, I don't. I have no affiliation with any software, amp or pedal manufacturer. As I said in my comment, I run a recording studio. This is purely my opinion, based on direct experience with gear.
@TC No, but I do. Can I answer any questions for you? You can try TONEX software and see how you like it if you don't trust what others are saying. The software Tone Models are what you load on to the pedal. Who knows, you might even like it.
What studio monitors are they even using? Depending on the model, should they be listening to it that far away? Kinda stupid.
Given these considerations, I can tell that it doen;t make any sense for the 99% of people who are bedroom player to buy a TOneX, if such a rig is necessary to perceive valuable difference with regular modellers.
I'm surprised they're not more impressed with this unit. I think it's incredible.
They don't understand it. I'm running a Dumble with a Klon Centaur. You can do whatever you want with it. It's jaw droppingly amazing.
It's clear a biased demo there should be a reason.
It is not payed vid, mate. They try to be objective as they can.
@@DaringDan They didn't hook it up to a real cab yet.
They’re being true to themselves, calling this profiling or capturing is a joke. Still haven’t found a single video where their captures sound like the amps captured.
16:10 Guys, the FX chain loops the signals between pre and power amp. The TONEX can be fed directly into a power amp. Put your effects in front of it and that's it. You don't have to find a fly in the ointment now, just because the pricing of the other profilers/modelers becomes obsolete by this device. ;-)
@GaryBaldy, I’m a guitar newbie, can you please clarify your comment to a lower level guitar player please :)
@@n.s.a5661 Well, let me start by welcoming you to our wonderful tribal community of guitar addicts.
The effect loop is a feature from the classic amp architecture. The effects you want to loop in are placed between the pre-amp and the power amp. There is a difference between parallel and serial looping. But that is not important here.
The ToneX is not intended to be used like a classic amp or an alternative amp setup. Therefore, the objection that an FX loop is missing is actually irrelevant.
I hope this was of some help to you.
@@MicCostanzo people are so dogmatic. They act like putting a reverb in line on the front end hasn’t been being done by pro musicians for decades. Not every amp has a loop. 2 of my all time favorite amps I own don’t. Guess what? It’s fine. 🤦🏻♂️
Classic amps didn’t have effects loops unless you consider the eighties as classic amp era
@@tommilitello198 The first amps with loop were already built in the late 60s and in the early 70s it became more and more popular. By the way, it was one of the most requested custom modifications - even for plexis. It only took until the 80s that it became a regular feature.
But if it's about terminology for you: It's a classic feature, but maybe not in vintage amps. Better?
It's been said many times, but still - I'm in awe when I see and hear Digital John short intro. So funny :)
You have to use these types of products to their strengths. None of these profiling/ capturing units will give you “amp in the room” tone. You’ll need an actual cabinet if you want real air moving. It can, however, give you “amp mic’d up in the next room” tone. The room, mics, and any boards/mixers that we’re used will all color the tone. So they’re great for consistency if your playing live going to front of house or recording. You don’t have to depend on any sound guys or use their house sm57’s to mic up.
Spot on. use the unit to it's strength. Wow Las Vegas bro, that's some distance to go gear shopping. 🙏
Damn, if only people can read.
I really like tuning in to your gear testing but amp in the room .. anti digital bias is getting old. I consistently play on silent stages with in ear monitoring and I think this is true for many people. I need insights and advice for the best gear and approaches in this space. I hope we can hear more of that in the future. With that said thanks for all you do to serve the community.
It’s widely recognised that the captures are every bit as good as QC or Kemper also. This isn’t a “cheap” product in that sense.
They aren’t using it properly so what do you expect it’s designed for pedal boards not for your laptop and monitors.
Obviously if your going to use it that way you would just use Tonex software and the pedal is not needed.
Kind of shaking my head at this.
@@markntexas8265 I agree it isn't the best showcase, seemed a bit rushed and not thought through.
@@BkBk-gy6vr it’s not a all in one solution. This in the loop of an HX Stomp for example gives you an amazing small rig.
@@BkBk-gy6vr you aren’t comparing the same things? What about people who want to take a capture of their actual amp (or a killer profile of an amp they don’t own) and use it with their own pedalboard? Not everyone wants an all in one. For the record my main unit is an FM9 so I personally wouldn’t use this much either, but what I can say is that in terms of the amp sounds, it’s absolutely amazing and perfect for a lot of purposes.
@@BkBk-gy6vrno fx loop?
Seriously?
Sounds pretty OK to me. Keep in mind the levels from the studio monitors in the room are peaking at a very conservative 80db
As someone living in an apartment, I really like this pedal, because I just want decent guitar sound and guitar recording experience, getting rid of mics, amps or DAW lag, at a decent price. I was going after one of the UAFX pedals before this came out.
The UA units are far better sounding. The Dream actually sounds real. There’s nothing in Tonex that comes close. I’ve got both units by the way but am returning the Tonez as I really don’t like the sound of it at all.
Yeah that is why I got it also. I was looking to get an interface to play through my pc and headphones, I also wanted a gate and a compressor. Then I saw this.. Now I have the things I needed for the same price AND I get amp capturing as a bonus.
How do you set yours up to record? Do you use the pedal itself as the interface?
Captain, aka Lovely Lee, I think you should have run it through a FRFR Cabinet, like the Line 6 Powercab or the Headrush for getting more of that air movement feel. Though I could be wrong. Would be nice though to see an in depth follow up video with Digital John on this, using a FRFR and how he would use it with other units like the HX Stomp and Neutral DSP. Also would like to know what kind of equipment you would put with this Tonex pedal on a pedaltrain Nano Max or Nano plus for gigging. With experienced gigger Pete also putting in his two cents. So you would have a very versatile board and if you would for example would use the midi feature of the Tonex and in which way. Anyway, very nice and informative video. Keep up the good work!
Tonex is doing the most accurate amp captures on the planet right now, and this little piece of gear is amazing. Can't believe how dismissive they were of it. The fact that IK brought this to market for 399 is incredible. Kemper rested on their laurels, and Neural _still_ hasn't delivered on their QC promises. This fills a great niche for people that want the most accurate amp tones, but nothing else.
Amp modeling? Sure you didn’t mean amp capturing?
@@trolololo8000 Yep - noticed that after posting...lol.
If you think their captures sound good you need your ears to be checked
Do you feel that way about the high gain captures too? I really wanted to love Tonex. I pre-ordered, anxiously awaited and when I played the high gain models, they felt quite lifeless to me and way more polite than the real models.
Felt the same with Amplitude.
Also, you nailed the assessment of Kemper and the Neural QC lol
@TC Mine sounds real to me, although my amps are _loud;_ this allows me to turn way down or just throw headphones on. There will always be a place for amps tho. I already have pedals galore so love that you just use what you already have with this and there's no deep menu fiddling.
As a harmonica player, this Tonex player seems very enticing, if ... it can be patched with the elusive combination of unobtainably rare & expensive amps that actually sound & work well for amplified harmonica. Whether or not it'll be achievable at any stage it's hard to say, but I love the concept of having an all-in-one tone box, then plug into a clean amp, FR/FR speaker or PA. I think the price point of the Tonex is pretty reasonable considering what other products cost. In the meantime, I'll sit on the fence and think about it.
I've decided to get the Tonex Pedal because I've tried the free version of the tonex plugin and I loved it ! Try it before you go ahead and spent 400 Bucks in a product that maybe you don't like.
Kemper needed this form factor about 10 years ago 😂
Hard facts. Kemper didn’t innovate, and now they will lose market share.
Kemper innovated massively. The problem is they then stopped and laid back on their laurels. They'll pay the price now.
Kemper needs this form factor, still.
Kemper needs a spot in guitar gear museum right next to Line 6 Pod. Once a pioneer, but now obsolete. Line 6 as an innovating company pushed on however, and Kemper did not.
@@rejuvenator8966 exactly
So far, the IK profiles sound about the best. People will get better at it though. I think its a cool product. Its not on par with the QC, or Kemper, its better at profiling.
My experience has been the opposite with a lot of time on tone net so far. Granted there is some mud to sift through to find the gold on tone net, but IME the great user-uploaded tone models on there blow 95% of the IK profiles away. Sort tone net by likes/downloads and the top user tone models are fantastic.
@@BkBk-gy6vr tbh sounds like either user error or you didnt spend the 5 mins it takes to find the great sounds on tone net 🤷♂
@@BkBk-gy6vr I play a Mark V 25 all of the time and I was impressed. I saw a null test done and Tonex beat a Kemper an a QC. Captain really isnt into digital, I think he was quick to write it off, I mean, that and he sells way more expensive things that do the same thing lol
@@saint__andrew I noticed that some tone models have barely any range when it comes to the tone stack then others have quite a bit. But when you find good ones, I think they sound awesome.
@@BkBk-gy6vr LOL how would you know what I've owned? No bullshit, I had an FM3 (which I also love) when I tried out toneX for the first time. I couldn't decide which I liked better, but ultimately decided to sell the FM3 and go all in with the toneX software and pedal because it makes so much more sense for my use case. #1 I had planned to build a pedalboard around the FM3 but makes so much more sense to do that with the toneX pedal because the FM3 is way too big and clunky, and I don't need the extra processing power and FX. #2 I record a lot and using the toneX plugin eliminates my need to re-amp like I would need to with the FM3, and then I can easily take my tones on the go.
I posted this comment earlier and I assume andertons deleted it because I hinted at some inherent bias in this vid and the reason why they weren't impressed. Either way I would say there are so many other videos you can find on youtube to give you a better representation of how great this pedal can sound - I would not base your opinion on their first impressions here...
Try Joe's Favorite Patch - Bonamassa's Actual Dumble ODS, it's the best capture of the ODS gain I've heard or played on any platform. And Kemper has quite a few good variations to choose from.
What’s the name of that preset when I look in the librarian? Or is it one of the presets?
Still, it's just one capture of a single setting of that amp.
I have not messed with any of the digital stuff, amp profiles, irs, etc. I use a tube amp and a shitload of effects. But this is really cool. It makes me want to get one and mess with stuff cuz its much more affordable than a kemper or a fractal or whatever the other ones are. It's cool, great vid guys.
Dont. There are plenty of better options that sound better, and are most likely more affordable. Look into the HX stomp, or if you have a decent amount of pedals; the strymon iridium which sounds the best to me
@@nickp440 Don't take our word for it, just look even in just these comments to see that TONEX is what people are saying sounds better. Also, one of the options you mention is double the price (at PROMO pricing) and the other has 3 amps on board... Also, one is a multifx unit which is not what TONEX Pedal ever claimed to be (and again is double the price even at promo pricing). TONEX Pedal has 150 slots and access to 1000 Premium Tone Models via the included software and thousands more on ToneNET (at the same price as the unit you mention which has... 3 amps). Those Tone Models which people say, even in these comments, sound better than other options that cost far far more.
@@ikmultimedia if its anything like amplitube, youll probably have to spend hundreds of dollars on one of your cute little stores. This demo sounded absolutely horrible as well. Coming at a potential customer like this is another reason why i would never consider buying any of your products. Save money and buy a neural DSP plugin; youre not going to use TONEXXXXXXXXXXX anywhere but your bedroom studio; lets be honest.
@@nickp440 Read the other comments about this particular demo, then watch some more videos, try the software for yourself. We "came at" no one - we are allowed to counter misinformation, though. TONEX and TONEX Pedal are bona fide hits, but I am sincerely sorry to hear it isn't for you. Maybe we'll hit the mark for you next time, or we'll continue to have all kinds of musicians (not only the "bedroom studio" musicians you are insulting but also the whole range up through pros) who do prefer to use them make their own choice. I appreciate your feedback, thank you.
@@ikmultimedia Yeah idk, duking it out in the TH-cam comments isn't a good look, no matter what your intention is lol.
If this was approached as a dedicated mic less studio tool with conceivably every amp in existence on your desktop indistinguishable from a mic”d amp for 400 bucks how can you not be in awe of this unit . The fact that you can also gig on silent stages anywhere in the world with a suitcase sized rig is astonishing !! Let’s give the tired old “ doesn’t flap my jeans “ comparison a rest and focus what it does do.
I like Digital John but bear in mind that he does some work for Neural DSP, so he can't really say its better than the QC.
When John says no one when making captures get it bang on the money he touches his nose which indicates that he's not being 100% up front about the subject.
I imagine Neural and Kemper et al are on the back foot with this surprisingly reasonably priced unit.
This video will go down in history as the time Andertons misunderstood and dismissed the most significant product of the decade.
They dismissed it as a subsitute for a modeller, for whom is an end user (aka tone downlaoder only). Otherwise, what is it? A non tweakable good sounding presets library? No flexibility to create its own tone, only to use Joe's tone he decided to upload, wiht his mics, in his room, with his knob settings.
ToneX only makes sense for profilling players, and that is probably only 1% of IK customer's base. I think fair that Andertons set the record straight for the average bedroom player, in stating that the tweakability is very reduced, and that the tones are great, but not much more groundbreaking than the great modeller that are out there - and non tweakable, a big weakness.
Think of this unit as The pre amp section of the amp, put the delay and chorus between the tonex pedal and whatever you may be using as a power amp.
I just don’t understand why with the Quad Cortex they did a 30 minutes video comparing the real amp vs the capture and with the Tonex pedal is like “let’s hear a few presets and that’s it”.
They make more money selling a QC...
Its the best part of a Kemper.. only better.. in a $400 pedal. Why is that so hard to understand?
I'm sure this is a great product - I use their X-Space pedal - and for those who spend their lives on chasing or modeling amps it should work fine. It's all too much like falling down a rabbit hole for me and I just want to play guitar and make music. The reverb pedal is twiddly enough already. Have fun modelers!
I’ve been using Tone-X software since it’s release, picked 8 of my favourite captures and set them as presets, control it via a midi controller. I’ve actually spent less time down the rabbit hole than with Amplitube. So while there is a glut of choice, once you’ve found what you want, you just add it to presets and you’re done. Midi controller means no faffing with a mouse. Biggest downfall of my set-up was the necessity of launching software and sitting near the PC. The Tone-X pedal solves this problem for me and the quality is excellent. I can now play and practice away from my PC w/ my pedalboard, Tone-X and speakers or headphones. YMMV of course.
One of the best tone X videos to date. As so funny seeing the Captain trying to like the world of digital amps.
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I have to respectfully and wholeheartedly disagree lol I think this is quite literally one of the worst representations of toneX that I've seen so far, mostly due to them sticking to IK's terrible stock presets and the digital world so clearly not being Captain's thing. The user-posted tone models sound SO much better and I think their impression of the unit would've been much more positive if they had played through some of the most downloaded or most liked models on tone net.
@saint andrew you're correct. It sounds like ass. But presets usually do. Sonic drive studio did a video on it and it's much better using his own profile
@@saint__andrew you sir that seems to have been using the ToneX, this unit vs Headrush mx5, is comparable?
@@Almonzo246 I've never used the headrush but I think the answer to that question mostly depends on whether you're needing all the FX the mx5 provides? If you solely need the best amp/cab tones go with the toneX but if you're wanting an all-in-one multi-FX unit the headrush will be much better suited for that.
@@shreder75 'his own profile': cool, that's one. Now I need another 10,000 to cover all the amps I want with a variety of knob settings on the amp.
The general consensus is that the captures are actually better than kemper and QC. Some accuracy tests have been done and ToneX nails it the closest. I will admit some of the preset captures aren’t that good though.
Whos general consensus and where can I view these accuracy tests?
@@neildeakin4454 Forums, TH-cam comparisons, etc. Check out the video by Mendel bij de Leij ,especially the portion where he does the reverse phase test. People are admittedly selling their kempers for this. But these are all just opinions in the end…..
@@neildeakin4454 There is a youtube vid where they compare all 3 profilers. They use a null test- reversing phase. Perfect reproduction (or original amp) yields NO sound. TONEX is miles ahead in this scientific test. MILES.
@@65pancakes82 Please post the link.
th-cam.com/video/Avhih6805YU/w-d-xo.html
20:00 mark. Its a scientific comparison. Like what you like, but there is very good reason why some are really enjoying tonex amp tones.
Btw. NAM (freeware profile) is even more scientifically accurate than Tonex, but no community/hardware.
I love this thing. For 1/6 th the price of a Kemper, I can capture my favorite amps and drive pedals and take them with me.
Add a GT1000 core and a EXP pedal and you have a super small portable rig with all your favorite tube amps and pedals, for far less than a Kemper, QC, Fractal, etc
I've messed about a fair bit with digital, in fact my entire set up now is on guitar rig on pc....and that was as clear as mud in parts I've got to say lol
Did you purposefully have the gain far of centre in all your tests....as this deviates from the intended capture?
For $399 this is the best option if you just wanted a hyper accurate amp profiler without any extra fluff. It's also the cheapest of any amp profiler.
comparing this to one of UA/ walrus/ strymon PEDALS Is probably a better comparison than to any of the floor modellers and what you might get at a price point.
Compare it to anything out there, doesnt matter, as long as we are just talking amp profiles.
do a video with it in the effects loop!
Its all about the tonenet and captures. Hand in hand with the ToneX app, 6000+ user tone models plus capture your own Amp. Then put that in the middle of your pedal board. You didn't showcase your own captures but trust me it does what the Kemper and Quad C does in a smaller more affordable setup minus the effects. Pair it with HX Stomp and a power pedal you got a gig rig on the floor.
Wait, what's the difference between this and the HX stomp, aren't they the same thing?
Its like a Helix Amp. Just the amps. Which as an HX effects user, I'd like to have just for those direct gigs.
I had amplitube on my ipads from like 2010 - fun to mess with. This looks fun too
ToneX on the go for $399?!
And Digital John for the cherry on top!
Fuck me these are great days!
Should they have transfered the captures to the pedal and then put it on a pedal board to output to a powered cab or pa system to get a more convincing sound?
We'd definitely love to see our gear used as intended so here's one vote for you. Another popular use case is in the fx loop of a multifx unit (since TONEX Pedal never looked to be that multifx pedal, we weren't coming for your multifx pedals... yet).
@@ikmultimedia Yet? Oooh, that sounds like I'll be buying the ToneX pedal now and then whatever 'yet' turns into later! And yeah, as someone already mentioned, blindfold Lee and see if he can hear the difference between this and the actual physical setup the capture was based on.
There is an issue where you can have both the pedal + software running at the same time as well, and some of these sound like that (feedback, lots of gain, etc.)
It's pretty clear these guys have not really spent time with this or thought about this review at al. It's probably the WORST review of this on TH-cam now and they're just going to stick to their initial opinion that they don't like it. Lost a lot of respect for them from this review.
Possibly the worst, rushed review I've seen on this channel... They've missed the point completely.
We need a shootout!!! Kemper vs Quad Cortex vs ToneX. I think the ToneX will stand its ground...
So essentially, it is isolating the capture and "profile" concept at a lower price point than was previously available. This is great if you are a player who enjoys using a pedal board and wants to bundle up your amp (and possibly cab) tone into a pedal format for live gigs. I don't see much use for it in the studio or for anyone already using full modelling capabilities of existing units like Helix, Kemper etc.
You really should have captured some of your amps for a video on tonex
I think this is more intended as a Strymon Iridium killer than as a full-blown multieffect. In that regard, an FX loop would be a good thing to have - frankly, I'd want my signal chain to be as amp-like as possible, and that generally involves putting modulation, reverbs, delays etc between the pre-amp and the IR in a (partially) digital rig.
I also think a lot of these products have pre-sets that aren't necessarily representative of what the unit can *really* do - which is a shame for demo videos and especially first-impressions.
Is it THAT big of a deal if your time-based effects are after the amp and cab as they would be in a studio recording?
Yea, it might be a nice thing to have, but it is not as big of a deal as people are making it.
It's no big deal at all IMO
No different at all as many have explained already
16:20 A delay before an IR is no different than a delay after an IR. Mathematically, IRs are linear transforms, and when using them with other linear effects (which delay and reverb are), you get the same result regardless of order. Note: putting delay and reverb in a real amp's effects loop IS a bit different, because power amp compression is nonlinear. But no modeler I'm aware of has a "virtual effects loop" which actually inserts between the pre and power amp of the amp model.
I’m assuming they really mean being able to put delays and reverb after the distortion from the amp sim.
Doesn't need an effects loop
There's a catch to the Pedal. It's not a profiler, it's a profile loader/player.
I’ve tried a dozen different amp modeling systems, but they all sound terrible on headphones.. I had the MX5 , but couldn’t vibe with it. None felt like an amp in a room. With Tonex, however I can finally play something that sounds and reacts like a real amp. Like any system, including a new amp, it takes a bit to fine tune them. There is a particular fumble capture that sounds better than anything I have played. The Princeton capture is great. In fact, many are amazing. I have a 10 watt VOX that I love, but I can’t play it at the sweet spot unless nobody is home! This lets me try a bunch of amps that sound great and actually see what amps I would even build a rig around. For me this is a great alternative to getting an attenuator for my amp.
The Capt is totally right being critical of the ToneX. I think the Boss IR-2 is a better option because it has an effects loop!
I watched lots of videos of the QC before i purchased. It wasn't my first choice, the FM3 was, but that wasn't available and there was a waiting list (suddenly became available as soon as I ordered the QC from Andertons lol). Anyway, I have heard videos of the TONEX by other channels and was blown away. Sounded superb. I was equally blown away by videos of the QC, sounded superb. Very happy with the QC, the built in amps are superb. Just be careful with online reviewers because they may not be telling you the whole story, example... The Studio rats, another channel I enjoy a lot. Paul's review of the QC and his playing really helped sell me the QC, describing how it felt just like playing through a real amp and immediate. Now, 1 yr later he does a live stream with a friend, Episode 140, and basically dismisses the QC and says 'they' didn't like it, didn't like the feel. He had already shown us his 'TONEX' pedal board by this point.
Sounds good. If you set it up better you for sure get great results...Itll see well for sure. Wait and see.
Lee is totally uninformed in this video. And it's not about his roots being in tube-amp world. He just didn't do any homework. ToneX is your amp and cab for live performances. The rest of what it offers (compressor, reverb, etc.) is interesting, but in the context of a full pedalboard, probably not very useful. Especially since there is no FX loop. You will want your fx outboard from the ToneX. ANd, moreover, the idea of capturing a drive pedal ONLY makes sense if it is a VERY expensive drive pedal (like a real Klon Centaur) since this things costs $400 - why would I dedicate the ToneX to a capture of a Tube Screamer or a Timmy that I could buy and put on my board much more cheaply (and stack them if I want to)?
The ToneX Pedal is an amp replacement. I sort of wish it didn't provide cabs as part of the capture. I wish they were amp only (I know they can be, but many creators will be capturing amp and cab together). If a capture (Tone Model) is amp only, you can then add in your own IR in something like a Mooer Radar, and you can insert your time based pedals after amp/before cab. And for me, I use a power amp and guitar cabinet, so I really don't want cabs to be part of the capture.
Finally, keep in mind that most presets from MultiFX companies really suck (I deleted all factory presets in my HX Stomp day one - they are just terrible). So why would you expect that these Tone Models / Presets would sound fantastic? At minimum, they need tweaking. But more likely, you need to buy better captures, or create your own from your own amps with your favorite settings.
Think of this more like the next gen of the Iridium or the UA amplifier pedals.
These things are great, now all I have to do is get a computer science degree and an Audio Engineers degree and I
ll be able to use it.
There is couple of hundred of modellings and basically your realistic job is to find only that golden one from any given style. I can tell there is some real gems there. Others(most) you just can(must) just skip in one second. But the essence is how the model compares to real tube chain touch wise? I can get the exact copy of the sound as reamped but it totally feels different and is not playable. That makes sense as the tones crosses at that exact playing touch but deviate grossly if played just a little bit differently. Other model can be playable too. But then there is some models which sound truely heavenly when reamped. They are not to be played but to be recorded. i think Tonex on PC (I would say Tonex SE) is the best tool there to learn about different types of amps and cabs. So if you use traditional say real Marshall JCM 800 style tube amp and couple of SM57s and 10" speakers in a closet to record your track and then reamp with say Ampilitube 5 and Tonex Max then you've got inifinite possibilities and good learning space to find a way get it right out of the bat. But I like more the big chance Tonex offers learning about amp/cab combinations.
Nice to see another affordable amp pedal for players who do silent stage gigs ...I can see this being a handy bit of kit for IEM players....presets seem a little overblown tho but they often are
I've got the origin pedal easy to use once you get the hang of it then guitar rig through the comp not sure this is that useful
I have a Friendman Smallbox 50. I used a Kemper Stage, a Quad Cortex, the TONEX, and NAM to profile/capture that amp. Only NAM really manages to recreate it properly. But, the TONEX pedal does it well enough, that it makes me picking up my guitar more. It sits on my desk and when I feel like it I plug in the guitar and the headphones and just jam around. As simple as that. The Quad Cortex added a raspiness to the capture, that made me go, "this is not my amp at all". Even the other models/captures available for QC don't really do it for me and I always feel quite disconnected from my guitar, as it were. The Kemper-experience was also underwhelming, as it couldn't really capture the sound of my amp. Thus my personal ranking is 1. NAM, 2. TONEX (yeah, also the pedal), 3. QC, 4. Kemper.
Is it my imagination or is there a hefty latency with the unit?
Bad review. Sorry guys. I get you dont like these pedals cpt. its obvious. you can buy every amp / pedal / gutar you want but thats not the most of us...
This unit is a recording interface, but the lack of xlr forces you into using another interface or their tone x capture/reamp box to actually capture. Clunky, but probably done to keep the footprint and price small.
Agree, should have an XLR as the outputs.
@@nickwinkler8231 or both. Other interfaces (focusrite, etc) have combined xlr/quarter inch jacks
That's a bummer and can't even go into the font of the house when playing live
@Maximum Guitarage you are correct. Not a very good design choice
Who needs a tube amps anymore in our era , apart from snobs I mean
I do…
@@jan-paulvanderhoeven1639 I used to be a snob too and then I learned to play and that's when I understood , that’s ok
Modeling Amps sounds so good if you take the time to adjust absolutely all the details
Most of the mistakes people make is that they take the basic presets or barely modify them and then complain about the sound quality
It's not about snobbery. I have a Helix floor unit that I used to use for small gigs, and it worked great for that. There's no way I could ever use it to it's full potential. It's got too much stuff. It's option overload. I haven't played a gig in years and my Helix hasn't left it's backpack until about two weeks ago, when I was looking for a certain cable. I'd forgotten just how big and heavy the Helix is. It's still smaller than a medium sized pedalboard. I don't really use pedals at home though. I plug straight into my little Vibro-Champ and just play. It's simple and relaxing. For me, that's what music is supposed to be. If I plugged the Helix into the front of my amp, I'd spend more time messing with menus than actually enjoying the gear. The Helix has great sounds and, for folks who like messing with all the options, that's great. I'm not judging anyone for that. I just prefer to plug and play these days. You know, the K.I.S.S. principle (Keep It Simple, Stupid). I'm still keeping the Helix, for now. Who nows if I'll need it for a future gig?
@@jimmyparris9892 The principle itself of modeling is that it sounds much better because you have access to absolutely all settings. However, I agree it's quite tedious because you have to take the time to adjust everything. So, no judgment here, I prefer it because everything is in the same package, it's much better than all the tube apps I've owned in my life. What do you personally use now?
@@alexdenton6586 I actually only have 2 amps, a little Tweed Champ clone and a Vibro Champ reverb amp. They can still be too loud if I want some dirt, so I may plug in an ODR1 or a Marshall BB2 pedal. I'm just too lazy to mess with anything else.
It a suitcase for amps and tones. And they're missing that part of it. The average musicians could capture his amp and take this pedal to band practice with any speaker configuration and be able to practice
*The average musician can capture some tones of his amp. In order to 'capture his amp', one would need to do ~ 1,000,000 captures for each amp in order to have a (just decent) coverage of the various combinations of knob settings.
I would like to hear Tonex pedal with a power amp like the Seymour Duncan Powerstage and a real cab.
From videos that i have seen here on TH-cam comparing captures of amps on Kemper, Quad cortex and Tonex with the captures tube amp and speaker i would have to say that Tonex got the closest and it was so close that i could hardly make out any difference so its not worse just because its cheaper its just a much simpler product with pretty much just the amp tones while the others have a lot of effects and IO etc.
“For 400 quid, its ok” ha! Somebody doesn’t want to admit defeat, and I think Digital John might be on the Neural payroll
I saw some massive cope in a Quad Cortex group I was in.
@@masterofreality230 QC devotees are going to need a 12 step program
This basically is the QC for the price of an Iridium… and yeah they feel very unbalanced “for the price can it be as good” actually isn’t the question: “ha the tech evolved so it’s actually better”?
@@masterofreality230 I am on the fractal forum and there it was a welcome addition. People there are eager to use it in combination with their Fractal devices. Myself included...
@@gtz999 Yea, it can be really good for that. There were just some people saying some odd things and being very sensitive, I guess.
and this is what kemper hasnt clicked onto yet. i would buy a kemper that was a smaller version (either lunchbox head or pedal sized) that only loaded profiles, cause lets face it most of us dont have a plethora of high end emps to profile and will just buy or find the profiles we want and just use them
Exactly. And for that use (aka accurate sounding presets), it just doesn;t make sense, or one must have a decent amount of money to buy all the extra quality capture packs. And just for that, in order to have a decent coverage of 50 capture for 10 amps, one should factor another $3,000-5,000 - noting that the full version of Amplitube that includes 100 + great amp models, 100+ effects, 30+ cabs, goes for $300.
Hence why, for what you (and 95% of us want to do), a great modeller makes much more sense, and also allows for much more tweakability (at least for whom doesn;t want to just limit oneself to cover famous songs - aka presets).
Needs to be made clear again, the Tonex pedal can't do the capturing, it merely stores what you have captured or others have captured using the Tonex software and re-amp boxes etc. So you are not replacing a Kemper or a QC with just this pedal, you need a few other bits if you plan on capturing/profiling amps. If you plan on just using other peoples profiles then yes this is all you need. (as well as the tonex software)
I really like that capture technology is available cheaper, similar to what the Hx stomp / head rush is to the axe effects
Besides using it with pedals it could be a great addition in the loop of a modeler/multieffect for better or more varied amp tones, maybe you already own an old modeler/multieffect but while the effects are still fine the amp tones are not.
Yes, many people are starting to use TONEX Pedal in the loop of their existing multifx pedals and getting great results. Sometimes (many times) replacing the amp block in their multifx units with the TONEX amp Tone Models :) We're flattered by that.
SAtudio monitors are one thing.... powered speakers are another. I bought a 250 watt powered PA speaker for a practice space vocal amp once. It can REALLY get a thump going when i run my daw into it from the interface. Ive actually used it live once, with my scarlet and a cheap HP labtop because of output transoformer failure in my old blue voodoo head (literally at rehersal morning of the gig). No PA either at the "venue", so my blues jr and kitana weren't an option. I had more compliments afterward on my sound then i EVER had with the blue voodoo. It's actually the only show ive ever played where more then one person complimented my tone directly after the show) No matter how much i prefer the feel of using the head in a live mix setting, the compliments on my sound were not lost on deaf ears, thats for sure. (I was using a marshle silver jubilee amp sim, tube screamer vst, and stl tones nadir with an orange 2x12 impulse, got my pushed clean and gritty sounds rolling back the guitar volume)
Im getting a tonex for sure, could profile my live rig itself and use that as a backup instead of some sketchy DAW rig
The tonex has me abandoning all of those ideas.
And that must be a set of non potted PAFs in that les paul. The microphonics were painful with headphones
I’m very excited for the ToneX pedal to finally join the ampless world.
I was not a fan of anything digital, not that I tried all the high end stuff. But I like it.
Should do a blind test VS the QC, Helix and Kemper
In my opinion, just turn off the cabsim and play through the amp's back. Check it out and see if it sounds like an amp. Hope to see your videos in the future
Good review but the primary concern for me is how does it feel?, how is the finger to fret connection?, does it respond to fret finger pressure?............most reviews of these type of devices miss the mark of talking about that....
delay front of pedaL wouldn't be desirable , doesn't have a F/X loop so definitely after the pedal you can go before an external reverb pedal don't have to use an external Verb because theres 3 kinds of reverb built in and tweakable, I always like delay last so I'd personally go with that . drive ,distortion ,wah wah and some some modular F/X always before the Tonex some after that would be trial and error. this is a cool pedal I grabbed one on sale and also got the "Axe I/O one" cheapest IK media interface capable of amp modeling , because you will need a another piece of hardware to Model amps not that IK Media says much about that before you buy the Tonex pedal , but with sale price on both and with a little jam points it was still around $400 for both thats much less then a Kemper or Vortex and more potable . I still like real tube amps best but it's nice to have all these options and sounds to your disposal for different scenarios. and a new hobby lol.
It's crazy what Amplitube is doing. Does it capture it 100% no but it's the closest and best you'll get.
What I want is a giant touch screen with Amplitube built in that has attached 10 different physical stomps for pedals and a left and right stomp to change presets. This will eliminate the need for a computer because Amplitube is built in. Once they can build that, it's game over. You won't need a physical amp anymore unless you just prefer it over digital. This is close but you still need a computer to import tones and modify presets etc. Just a little too much imo and Tone X doesn't have many pedals compared to Amplitube 5 itself.
I've watched some other youtubers capture some tones and I could not hear any difference between the real amp and the tone-x.
@@Poepopdestoep Nor could I hear a difference between the real amps vs Amplitube models + cab IR, so... (except that AT models are fully tweakable, while tone captures are just snapshots of amps in a single preset).
Yes and ToneX are not simulations, but just snapshots.
I agree with you: if they could make a GT-1000 with Amplitube software in place of Boss ToneStudio, coupled with an IR loader, it would be game over for the floor modeller market.
Profiler only make sense for whom want to capture their own amps... I mean for whom still think that their audience will hear a difference between a model of their amp vs a direct tone capture of their amp... lol
The capt needs to see the pedal as an amps control panel, with the software being the way to swap out marshals for fenders and other amplifiers.
look at this way... when we listen to your videos we are essentially hearing the equivalent of what the tone x and other similar units are doing. We are listening to mic'd cabinets etc... on these demos through earbuds, stereo speakers, studio monitors. We never get the "amp in the room" experience anyway. So I think trying to evaluate something like the tone x on that level is kind of pointless. They only thing we can say as listeners is that we like it or we don't.
A zimmer "frame" is a walker, if you're a fellow lost American. Like a folding, walking aide for old people.
Can i profile an amp with overdrive, distortion, reverb, delay, chorus, flanger, compressor, noise gate etc all at once with it?
sometimes it seems as if Andertons don't follow what's happening on the internet about a particular device when they are looking into a new piece of kit.
The stock profiles on the ToneX mostly suck, even if you tweak the presets. But when you load some proper profiles from the Studio Rats or Tone Junkie, you can hear that the unit is on par with Kemper in terms of accuracy and feel. I own both now and I like Tone X maybe even more than the Kemper.
Another thing is that the Tone X doesn't have a low and cut filter, so a lot of usable models sound too fuzzy without one. I compensate for that with an external EQ on another multi-FX pedal or mixer.
Ha :) !! Finally a review that is NOT in love before the thing gets powered up. As seen in these comments, most everyone is overwhelmingly positive about this pedal, well before most people have a real one to try.....Therefore, Andertons really should do a follow to their Boss IR200 review and compare these with whatever monitors or signal path you want to run.
I for one would love to see that comparison, both units interest me (if I had a load of my own amps to profile I am pretty sure the tonex would win out), but I am not certain I want to sift through other peoples idea of how to dial in an amps tone), genuinly interested in both for added range of tones, would love to see the shoot out!
If the pre amp and power amp aren't captured separately then you cant recreate an 'effects loop'
Yep, and the majority of effects will give *identical* results before the IR or after the IR. The only exceptions are nonlinear effects like compressors, but those wouldn’t go in an effects loop anyway.
The captain's on fire...
Librarian girl... that´s why I watch your videos. 👌
I wonder if its the amp heads only that its modelling and nit the cabs themselves
Very interesting. I have seen several videos of the unit, where the Tonex sounds better than both kemper and quad cortex in direct comparisons, and almost ZERO difference to the real amps themselves. I am going to have to go with, the existing factory captures are not nearly as good as other professionally made ones. Just my 2 cents. And in direct opposites, this is one of few videos out there where it doesnt sound that good....hahaha
I feel like this isn’t the best review… I bought the software about a week ago and have found some amazing presets.
I think quite a few of the unbiased channels have compared them to Kemper and the QC and it shows how close they are. The Kemper is miles behind the other 2 and this is easily on a par with the QC modelling-wise.
If all you wanted was an amp modeller and wanted to use your own effects then I think this is a no brainer compared to the iridium, acs-1 and all of the UA pedals that came out recently. They’re the devices (along with the Kemper) that I think will lose sales rapidly because of this.
It’s a cool solution if you have a bunch of amps you like and you are a pedal user as well. It’s even great stacking with a HX stomp or a quad cortex. For 400 quid - no brainer.
@@BkBk-gy6vr You wouldn't be able to tell the difference between this mediocre poo and the real amp if your life depended on that and not even mention between this and Quad Cortex. 😉
@@BkBk-gy6vr Comeback? Dude, that's a fact. And now you are trying to be an expert on my playing ? lol 😂
@@BkBk-gy6vr It sounds better than the QC as far as amp profiles go
Yeah, I wish I watched this first. So many people have been raving about this pedal and the other YT videos make it sound awesome. Maybe they fixed it in post or something, because I have been playing around with it and it sounds like garbage. SO, SO, So digital!!! It reminds me of all my crap gear from the 80's that led us all to say "Yeah, it has every single sound except the right one." I only got it because I wanted a small pedal that would allow me to take some modelled amps with me to the gig. I couldn't get the Boss IR-2, because NOBODY has it in stock right now. So, I figured, I would pay an extra $100 and "step up" to this Tonex pedal everyone is raving about. I should have waited. Even if the IR-2 doesn't live up to the hype, either, at least it is priced right. With this pedal, I might as well have just taken my cash and set it on fire. Garbage, garbage, garbage. And I think your video captured it. Everything sounds like crap, and you guys have no qualms saying so. I appreciate the honesty. I just wish I had heard it sooner.
Tonex sounds amazing. Sorry, but you're doing something wrong. It might be something as simple as dialing in input trim. It's a crucial feature that most often gets overlooked.
Valeton GP200 for the win and I can plug it into my DAW, Thanks for the great review. I thought it was strange that FX weren't included in the TONEX too. The Captain tells it like it is. 😃
I'd love to see a series on "Extremely Affordable" rigs. not 1,000 pounds but drop it to 500. something for a budding guitarist who wants more than a practice amp and is ready to start performing. Maybe let each person start with a "Starter Kit" and an equal amount of cash for effects and a gigable amp. Who can make the better rig???
11:54 can someone please advise the name of the song this is from? It sounds very familiar and I’m kicking myself I can’t remember the name! Between 11:54 and 11:57. Many thanks in advance!
Budget: 10 000 $ for Pete, 10 000$ for Digital John. Pete,all analog, John all modeling. Guitar, Amp,Pedals .Complete Rig. Who would have better sound in the room? Who would have better recording sound? Who would be able to cover more styles? John would need to have cab as well with power amp,or powered cab. Now,that would be interesting video.
Probably Digital John with a $400 ToneX, $600 guitar and $9,000 of tone captures packages, covering 3-4 amps.
That said, with under $1,000, I think also digital John, with a $300 Nux MG30 and a $700 guitar.
The guy with a jacket seemed so bored. I think he's more excited to film another QC ad :D
You can make a preset with the software right?
As the Cap gets older, he's sounding more and more like an old eccentric British scientist in some mockumentary - I love it!
Love the colour of that guitar!