Furnace Blower Motor Not Coming Out and How to Persuade it
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- Furnace blower motor not coming out or stuck to the blower wheel? No problem! In this video I go over all the different ways to persuade a stubborn furnace or ac blower motor to come out. The first way is simply clean and oil the shaft of the motor good before attempting to pull out the motor. I show examples of what I mean by that in the video. If playing nice is not cutting it, then the next step is to use a hub puller. I show an example of it in action. And lastly, if all else fails, I explain how to bust the motor out if it comes down to that. And if the question should arise.. No, I have never been in the military.
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This Video is awesome! Saved me so much time with a blower replacement. THANK YOU!
Hey Troy. Thanks for the help. My blower was really really stuck and i don't own a puller. Tried oil , crescent wrench, hammers, heat you name it. What finally worked was inserting the shaft into my B&D 1/2 inch electric drill and cranking it while holding the blower. Turned the motor free and polished the inside of the wheel hole at the same time. The drill Went on the shaft easily and tightly and loosened it with zero effort for the drill. I
had struggled for close to 2 hrs. Before this.
Holding the shaft and spinning the fan…. Did the trick, thanks!!! Exactly what I came for!
Excellent demonstration of how to deal with a stubborn motor
This video saved me 800 dollars thank you btw that tool is a life saver i went to a hearing and cooling supply to buy it i paid 60 in store online there 30 real life saver
I can’t begin to tell you how much I appreciate this video I ended up trying to hit it out with a hammer which kind of flatten the end of it and I had to use a metal file to straightened back out it was a pain in the butt but thanks to you I figured it out thank you so much
Kudos! Pushing the stuck bushing back down and sanding the shaft with fine sandpaper as shown in your video, followed by 3in1 oil was all I needed to be able to get the motor separated from the blower in an old Nordyne. Saved me a trip to pick up an expensive hub tool. Thank you! Once I had the motor apart I cleaned and let the end caps with the dried out felt oil wells (no access channel -old style) soak in 3in1 oil and it began to spin beautifully. Cleaned, wire brushed and spray painted the squirrel cage to reduce future dust accumulation and the furnace runs like new. (I have a new motor on order but I may end up returning it). Great channel! Saved a $300 service call which would have resulted a replacement motor for an additional marked up $400. The satisfaction is surprisingly and disproportionately huge :)
I’ve been a tech for 30 years and blowers are always a pain. Firstly, why is the motor being replaced, many times its a blower wheel becomes unbalanced and destroys the bearings over time. On outdoor units that have a rusty shaft, dont bother, order a wheel too. If your insistent to remove the blower or condenser blade, clean up the shaft with sand cloth first, remove the set screw, and penetrating oil the flat side of the shaft and try spin the shaft with a crescent to spread the lube. Use a drill tip screw to place a dimple in the shaft center to keep it from walking.back out the puller screw all the way using a 3/4” socket on your hammer drill. Evenly space the puller screws from the sides of the puller interior. Half turn each screw alternately till contact is made, then use the Allen wrench. AVOID THE SETSCREW HOLE . Use the socket and it will come out easily. Ive only had one over the years that was so stubborn it stripped the center screw on the puller, ended up shutting the shaft.
I really hope this will work. My motto in life is 'how hard can it be' and mine is being very hard. And I always enjoy watching these videos, you think wow this is clean, its going to be really easy and then you open yours and it looks like it was found by archaeologists in a tomb after 2000 years and than absolutely nothing goes right. Edit: yes it absolutely worked, thanks. It was actually quite easy.
Thanks a million. I was hammering for no reason the end of the motor shaft then I realized I had to sand it. Torquing the shaft relative to the fan made it a piece of cake. I put some W40 too...
Lubricant and striking a piece of wood worked for me. No damage to the shaft. Thanks
Thank you, you saved me with the level 1 technique! One thing I needed to do after being able to rotate the motor shaft out of the blower wheel was to file down the set screw mark after pushing down the wheel a bit. Now I will be able to deal with the real problem: wobbling blower wheel. I assume adjusting the weights after cleaning all the dust and debris would help, but I'll see.
Anyway, thanks a lot for the useful video. This is the second time you saved me, the first was to diagnose the relay problem on the controller board after learning the sequence of the furnace functions from your video a year ago. Hope you are enjoying the life on the island. Big Island had been our favorite place for diving in '90, now we just retuned from Oahu trip to meet our son first time since we sent him off alone to college this August. Wishing I can relocate there. Will ask you if I face more problem on my furnace.
a last case scenario vs busting out the squirrel cage is to apply heat around around the hub and shaft (red hot) with a propane or map torch. allow to cool down or pour small amount of water to keep from getting burned, then try using step 2 with crescent wrench or hub puller. I had to use this process many times. The expansion ad contraction of the two dissimilar metals usually frees up the shaft so it can be removed
This is what i did. way faster. Except i only heated the hub and used a punch with a smaller diameter as the shaft as to not mushroom it out.
You are definitely godsend to the A/C DIYers.
I'm happy I can help! :) Thank you for watching and commenting!
So glad to be in Denver ....that Midwest humidity not missed....part of Rustbelt legacy
A pro tip on the hub puller. Do this once and you will not have to do it again. Take all of the bolts that are in it that go into the hub out and put them back in a half turn at a time. Next time you use it turn each set screw exactly the same revolutions. Reverse that order the same when you get the wheel is off. Exact center is what you want and this will do it.
Very good tip!! Thank you for explaining it!
Glad you are back posting. Glad you mentioned not to use pliers on the shaft. Too many techs and plumbers just love that tool too much and use it on everything. I cringe when I see them using it on chrome!!!!
Thank you Ma Ma! Good to have you here with us :) Yes.. I agree, leaving bite marks at every site you visit is poor manners! Lol
This video was amazingly helpful and allowed me to remove and clean my squirrel cage before installing a new motor. Thank you!
some more hints i always unscrew set screw add oil in hole, sand shaft spin blower whee,l mark where wires are ,mark, where the blower wheel is, on blower always put screws in magnetic holder inn order simple steps it sounds like alot of work but it makes motor replacement alot easier silicone or your favorite liquid wrench on shaft i never hit the shaft with a metal hammer thanks for reading ,you make great vids
Yes! Good advice! Thank you very much for the additional pointers!
4:06 TY. Use of crescent wrench.👍 Done. At this point I will certainly investigate whether some home furnaces are less difficult than others.
Thanks for your advice on the crescent wrench! Had to use my 10” wrench to get the torque to start rotating the fan on the motor shaft. I still could not get the fan off, but more spinning and some work with the rubber mallet on the motor shaft finally loosened it up. I suspect the fan and shaft have been together for the life of the furnace, likely 30 years and change…
One tip I’ve learned over the years, a lot of times if you just can't get it, if you put you're face in front of it while pulling real hard it will usually release.
🤣🤣🤣 I have also had success with that technique. I broke my nose once but the job got done!
Dang you’re right it worked
Good video. Thanks.
If really stuck bad, I would say use penetrating oil (not lubricating oil) on the collar and apply heat to the outside of collar with a torch.
One other method. If you have a helper, see if he can get his hands in past the motor and grab the blower cage (not on the edges because it will bend) right near the center, near the motor shaft. Have him raise it up in the air so the end of the shaft points up. Now you place a protective piece of metal or wood against end of shaft and strike it sharply with a hammer. Be ready to catch the motor because it may drop right out.
Great video and great tips. I usually push the blower fan down against the motor and then give that shaft a good cleaning with some Emory cloth and a small file for any big burrs I might find. Then a small couple drops of any kind of light penetrating oil on the blower hub and with the housing laid across a milk crate, give the end of the motor shaft a couple quick taps with a dead blow hammer and the old motor is now in the milk crate, ready to be carried out for disposal or a core refund. The rooftop condenser fans do take a little more sanding with the emery cloth, but they end up sliding right off just as easy. I learned to polish shafts before fan removal on a six foot in diameter exhaust ventilation fan, that had quit running after 15 years of service and I'll just say it was well worth doing. That fan would have never been removed otherwise. Great video. Take care. Loved the joke! 😀 Jpol.
Your motor replacement procedure is awesome!! Thank you for sharing how you do it, step by step. I like the milk crate idea! And glad to hear you liked the joke ;) Thank you for watching and commenting!
Cresent wrench on the motor shaft and wd40. Excellent tutorial works like a charm. Thanks
You're welcome! Glad to hear you were able to get it off. 👍
Jay,thank you very much!!
I had to use the ultimate puller, your instructions on how to use were a “life saver”.
First trick did it for me. Thanks boss
YOU’RE A LIFE SAVER! THANK YOU!
I had to break out my wheel last year on an 07 Trane 3.5 ton. There was just no way as it seemed fused to the blower shaft. Now, after watching your video, I know how it's actually supposed to be done. LOL!
One should always carry a 6" fine mill file in their tool bag for removing tool marks from shaft!
I alway loosen hub set screw and free squirrel cage before I unbolt the motor.
I enjoy watching your videos, keep em coming!
THANK'S A LOT, YOU REALLY HELP ME OUT, I WILL BE DOING THIS ON MONDAY SO HOPEFULLY EVERYTHING COMES OUT OK.
Your idea with the crescent wrench on the shaft gave me an idea using rotary impact. Set the assembly so that the shaft is horizontal. Spin the shaft (and squirrel cage) with the wrench (set screw removed) and let the wrench handle strike the floor and come to a sudden stop. The inertia of the squirrel cage will keep it rotating and it will budge a little bit. Repeat until it spins freely.
This is an excellent idea. In this case, part of the trick would be *only* removing the set-screw (nothing else at this stage), next use the impact-driver, as you explained, allowing it to lock itself into a fixed-position.
@@InspiredScience The technique I described worked nicely on a 25 year old furnace (still up and running). It doesn't involve any tool other than the crescent wrench which grips the flat part of the motor shaft (set screw removed). The rotational shock (sudden deceleration) of the shaft when the wrench handle strikes the floor is the source of the impact. The nice thing about this approach is that it doesn't involve a puller and is pretty "kind" to the squirrel cage.
Always very well explained. I wonder if heating the hub with a propane torch help loosen and not cause any damage to the motor.
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Level 2.5 is to use a drill and make a small indentation in the center of the shaft (to keep the chusel/punch centered on the shaft), then place the housing on some cmu blocks/4x4 scrap, put a point style chisel in your bulldog/rotary hammer, set it to hammer only mode and give it the beans. I guess an air hammer would also work if you happen to have an air compressor handy.
The crescent wrench trick is genius
Okay so you said if anyone has any tips so here is one. At the end there instead of cutting the wheel apart rendering it useless I'd try to cut the shaft off short to the hub and then drill it out.
Perfect! Level one did the trick! Plus, removing the bracket revealed more of the wiring diagram for the 240 line voltage connections to my motor!! (See my comment in your other video on wiring a motor to 120V...)
Thanks for the informative videos!
You saved me a major service call! THANKS!
Currently at level 3... gonna try a torch before breaking the wheel though. Thanks for the video
Turning the fan while holding the shaft stable with a flat crescent wrench did the trick. PB blaster, sand paper, and it right out.
Turning the shaft worked for me it made the wheel easier to remove without the tool.
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I Agree.
Good video buddy 👍, I put a blower motor on my grandma furnace one time and I hooked up the wires wrong and it spinned the wrong direction.lol..besides putting out air it was sucking air through the floor vents..lol.
So you had blower motor repair practice as well! :) Haha now that you mention it, I've done that mistake before too. I got called back the next day to right my wrong...
If the motor is bad, cut the shaft. Pull the squirl cage out. Take it to the bench and drill out the remaining shaft.
Great how to video, was ready to give up then I saw this, after applying some WD40 and rotating the squirrel cage while holding the motor shaft everything broke free and motor came right out.
Oh man do I have stories about stuck blower wheels. Usually involves either an improperly installed blower wheel setscrew or water damage/rust.
@Benjamin Sahlstrom Haha I am sure all HVAC guys have at least one or two good blower motor stories. I should have asked for techs to share them! I definitely agree with rusted wheels/shafts being some of the harder ones to deal with though.
I have an issue pulling the wheel out from the inducer motor. I have a Fasco A068 inducer motor. i used 1/8 inch allen wrench with long handle but the screw does not seem to budge. Any suggestions. BTW, I love all your videos, very clear and detailed.
Thank you. Another beautifully done video.
YES great idea getting that verry stuck motor free
Thank you for sharing your knowledge and expertise
I hit it with a hammer being stuck. Made it worse. I ended up sanding it. Still not enough so I used a power sander with shards of metal flying all over! Now the new one is getting stuck going in so I'll be trying to clean it out to figure out why... Nothing I did is causing the dilemma...
The best part of the presentation is the visibility of all the steps and the target objects. Excellent skill and angle of videography of the tutorials are essential to make the videos very successful. I suggest a short video to demonstrate the set up of the videography. Excellent instruction as usual. Thank you.
Thank you!! I'm glad to hear that the videography is not suffering! :) Honestly, besides the two ring lights in the background, the rest is just my wife doing a great job following my movements.
What I've done before is get a drill bit and drill out the shaft. First with a smaller bit then with a big one. Once enough of that shaft is drilled through, it'll loosen. Can't be stuck on a shaft if there isn't one;)
Great job Jay! As always, thanks and appreciate the helpful information!
Glad you found the info useful! Thank you for watching and commenting!
I had to ground down the shaft with a angle grinder. Unfortunately just sanding it down with my sander wouldn’t work. I’m guessing it had been on there for decades. By the way when I took the housing outside and sprayed it down to clean it I was amazed at how dirty it was inside. It was disgusting to be honest. Planning to take it apart yearly now to do a full cleaning after what I saw get washed out of there.
I have to say Jay....I don't touch my system.... U must have the best maintained system....I'm more familiar with urs than my own as I see urs all the time!!!
Applying little bit of oil helped
The long screw on the puller is called the “jack screw”, just an fyi. Nice video, thanks!
Thank you!! I will finally know what to call it :)
Word of Advice TV great advice as to how to handle a situation where the blower wheel won’t come off. Never had a worse case scenario where I have had to break the wheel apart, but need to stress that if a person ever finds themselves in a situation where they have to break the wheel apart to take measurements of the wheel first, there are a few dozen different sizes out there, so you don’t want to go ham on one without first documenting the size of the original one your going to replace.
You’re a life saver. Thanks man
There's also a last ditch cure / Step 4 ... Cut off the motor shaft close as possible to the hub. Then drill out the shaft,of course not to the total circumstance of the shaft tho. Oil it up good. And pull on it as you did. The drilling releases the stress on the hub,from the shaft. It isn't easy. But it's worked.Hence : Last Ditch...
Yes! That didn't even cross my mind! Just drill out the shaft. Thank you for providing another option!
The key to stubborn motors is patience and sanding. Lots of sanding! You sand the crap out of it w/oil and it should pop right out! 👍
The long screw on the puller is called a jack screw or forcing screw. Love your videos
Thank you! I finally know the proper name :)
Good video. Thank you for making and posting it. (I love that Zoom Spout oiler bottle). Nice job on that furnace blower/motor assembly. Thank you. God[Bible] Bless.
Do you have a video on how to diagnose ecm motor?
Very helpful video. Thank you for sharing your knowledge. Much appreciated!!
Can you please make a video on how to using that hub puller to take out the blade on condenser fan? How those hoods be used? Thanks a lot!!
Yes, perhaps I can make that video in the summer. Thank you for the suggestion!
Thank you!!!!
I’m still pissed that in 2021 that blower motor fans are so poorly designed.
@@buddyryeSE seriously, why can't they be entirely sealed so dust won't kill them so quickly? if I have to replace the motor, why can't we upgrade to one that will last 50 or 100 years?
I ended up using a hammer and then a large pin punch to finally get it out. I had turned it a few times and use some anti rust spray. I definitely will need to clean it to get the spray smell out. But yeah I got it out without that tool. I used a drill with a wire scrapping tool.
You are number one ☝️
I used some WD40 and a popcorn tin to get mine off. LOL I took the motor brackets off and slipped the motor inside the popcorn tin (it was the perfect diameter to support the blower wheel all around), then I WD40'd the shaft and tapped it from the other side until the motor fell into the tin.
What is the most commom indor fan blower to have for spare.
Had a stuck wheel and followed all your steps except instead of tearing off the fan blades I used a ten pound sledge hammer and a metal rod to knock it out.
Wow, one headache after another...but the video is again very educational and will save someone's day, I'm sure...
Haha sorry about the headache Mr. Classic but good to have you with us! :)
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Great video !
Vey nice how at 1:20 into the video you showed us the cut without offending anyone LOL
Thankyou again!!! I was worried I might break something you went at it though
Hi, thanks for your video. I am trying the third way since my blower wheel is broken anyway. I separated the circle from the blades and bent it but the motor shaft is still stuck in the hub. I don’t understand how this method works. Any advice?
Update, I really smashed the crap out of the blower wheel circle with a crowbar and used WD40 and finally dislodged it. Thanks again for the great videos Jay.
Their is a better way to remove this motor, I always use my small dewalt hammer drill and set it to hammer and place a old 3/16 bit in my drill and set the blower up on some wood blocks or what ever you have to raise it off the ground. Then set the drill bit on top of the shaft and start slow on just hammer, as it makes a dimple on the top of the shaft then go to full hammer mode on the hammer drill and it will push the shaft out of the blower wheel very fast. Every time, repeat every time. most techs have this tool but a DIY home owners may not have this tool but it is in fact the best way to remove the blower from the shaft after sanding it clean and a bit of oil on it. Mark Kinney Plumbing Heating Cooling. Charlotte NC
How come no use of MAPP gas torch on the o.d. of the hub? In automotive, you always heat before beating. Most times after heating and penetrating oil tapping with a plastic tip or brass hammer will move the shaft thru the hub.
Make real sure that puller is CENTERED, pointed directly IN LINE with the shaft, and the 3 holder screws are nice and snug. Otherwise, you can send the jack screw off at an angle and end up mangling the end of the motor shaft or the hub of the wheel. (Once was enough times making that mistake. :o)
That is a great point to stress! Thank you for highlighting it!
this was amazing
can i ask what kind of oil do you use to lubricate the blower motor and induction motor
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That is the one I primarily use.
Large long bolt size of the hub hole and strike the bolt bottom,and pushing it through the hub hole
Love you dude.
Thanks for the excellent video again. 👍
You're welcome! I appreciate you leaving a comment on every video. Thank you Spock, may you have a phenomenal rest of the week!
Hi Sir. Please, I tried to find “the ultimate puller” that you used in this video in your tools list on Amazon but couldn’t find it. Can you please comment the direct link for that puller? Thank you in advance.
There is a link to it in the video description. Here it is, good luck! amzn.to/3cLUQ5q
Great video as usual bro 👍. Can you make one video of how to change a compressor step by step process please ? I would really appreciate it, thanks.
If I get an opportunity, I will do my best not to miss out on filming it! :)
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Very good instructions I like that you go step by step every time on all of your videos thank you for all tips an God bless ) stay away from big crowds Corona virus is around the corner.
Thank you! Glad to hear that you are liking the videos :) Yes, avoiding big crowds is probably a good idea. God bless and stay safe!
How long do i need to zoom oil blower motor. . Is not ez to access. , neeed to take off controlboard. 2006 tempstar , i did oil outside condenser motor every year since watch ur video
Solid tips! Have a thumbs up
thank you for your tips, very helpful!
You ever have a blower housing that has screws that hold it up on the side? They look like brass and have Allen threads I think. I took the whole control board out and couldn't get the blower out
Awesome thanks for the info works well
Nice sweatshirt, got my degree for HVAC at the same school! Who was your teacher?
Thank you! For a big chunk of the time it was Rhonda
If you break it apart, level 3, how do you get the new one in? Why not just replace the assembly with a new motor?
You would only break apart the blower wheel, not the whole housing. So you would need to order a new blower wheel along with the motor. That is cheaper than ordering the whole assembly.
Another informative video
You can use a propane torch to heat the shaft it will free any rust that's got it siezed together
I would like to ask your opinion...actually I am a technician...what possible cause of a low cool PAC? I cannot get the specific current using the clamp meter? I already charge the unit to its specified PSI? please reply.
I do not work on PAC units so unfortunately I would not be able to give you any good insight on this problem.. Perhaps another viewer will have a good idea later on though.
Great Advice Mr Word ... Lol ... Keep up the good work Jay ...
Thank you Eddy! :) I appreciate you frequently visiting my channel!
Very useful video