Make Your Own Filament at Home: Take 2 - 3DEVO COMPOSER First Impressions
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ต.ค. 2019
- The 3Devo Composer aims to let you make your own filament, but it DOES come at a price. In this First Impressions episode, we make our first spool of filament, and test it by printing a 3DBenchy.
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But Joel, where's the recycled prints test? I feel like that's the real test for the machine - can it actually take your shredded old prints and produce something usable out of it.
I reckon it would struggle to feed anything that is not circular (like small beads) through the hopper. Would be awesome to be proven wrong though.
@@mpolosmith I think if you shred it properly into pieces small enough to feed it should work, I think the problem would be getting it dialed in to melt whatever you put in. He also didn't really talk about any kind of cleaning process, so I imagine that contamination from previous runs could be a problem.
What? Do you say that Joel have failed test prints? :-)
@@mpolosmith Yes, you're right :) Regular pellets would typically be easier to feed, but when it comes to inconsistent regrinds this requires some additional adjustments
. Once these have been perefected it can be replicated throughout. Keep in mind that each polymer responds differently though
Look at make anything he make tests
Joel, I would like to see you make filament with this machine, using old prints rather than pellets.
Seriously. If you're gonna buy the pellets, you might as well buy the filament.
Even better:
1. Print Benchy.
2. Turn Benchy to scrap.
3. Turn scrap into filament.
4. Print new Benchy.
@@MichaelKire 10K views right here!!!
@@erikpurne with some types of polymers the price difference between pellets and filament form is enormous
@@erikpurne When it comes to high-performance or more complex polymers, there tends to be a 10x markup value (and sometimes even more) just to receive it in filament form. It does pay off (for some) to buy pellets and extrude it themselves - depending on what they're working with
would like to see how this machine handles leftovers.
watch the video from Make Anything ... there is a diferent kind of pellets to clean this machine (ore do you mean recycling?)
Seze93 I meant recycling using support material etc
I'd love to do this but I think all of the filament I could ever use in a lifetime would still cost less than the 3devo
Not to mention a way to shred/grind down old prints. Of course they sell these too as a separate unit. Maybe more appropriate for eco conscious businesses with higher filament demands... but not home users
That's not really what its about I think. Its just that you can make for example custom colors while recycling at least a little bit.
It is way to expensive
Zachary Hitchcock having the shredder separate is the better way to go. I think the winder should be a separate unit too. Integrate too much and you’re stuck if something needs to change. I also don’t think they’re under any delusion of targeting home users with this product. Just take a look at the orgs and corps they say bought their product.
their pricing is absolutely crazy. this thing will probably break before you would ever get your money out of it
Hey Joel, I got to work with a previous version of this machine, and make sure to set the dimensions of the spools you want to use in the settings to avoid winding issues and/or filament diameter inconsistencies !
Hey Joel! I'd love to see you try more directly recycled material. Say you grind up some specific items people throw away (shampoo bottles, pop bottles, plastic containers from all sorts of products) and see if this is something that can handle cleaning up not only failed prints, but cleaning up some of our own personal waste into useable material
Hi Joel, They lost me - big time; their cheapest model is: $5400USD.
R Salomon I gotta wonder why
You need to look beyond the price - that will come down. The first of anything is expensive. The key here is that it is the first compact system that I've seen that looks like it works with consistent results. I'd like to see the economics if you were running a 3D print farm and if it would be cheaper to make or buy your filament.
so it is just at the price of an ultimaker2.
@@reasonablebeing5392You are so right. And only 1 viable kidney can fetch upto 4 of these machines, at least until the market for kidney's becomes flooded.
However, optimism is really best, dont let anyone tell you otherwise.
The price is high, but it's a great start. Think about the teaching the whole process, from from oil, plants/refinery's making polyethylene, to pellets, to filament, to printed parts that can be for projects for clean energy, a whole class on how to make a 3D printed windmill, I think is priceless. It's a high price, I dont believe it's for the desktop user yet. But for an education environment, I think its great.
i wish we could see how it works on recycled prints/supports. my main interest in a filament maker is to reuse the waste material i produce.
Try recycling your own filament. Of course its going to work great with the pellets they provide !
Yes, that was my concern too: How do you deal with contamination or even moisture?
This! Yeah, that looks like fantastic filament. How about trying it with ground up leftovers? What does the filament look like when you throw in 3 or more different filament leftovers? How well does it handle that?
Can you grind your old prints and extrude those?
That's what I'd like to see as well. :)
You can.
Important is that you uniform materials and make sure the bits arent too large
You need a strong blender
For the price of one machine I can buy 216 high quality brand spools or 360 spools of normal quality filament, not taking into account the pellets you need to buy, I love the idea of this machine, but the math doesn't pan out.
I feel like this would be more at home in an industrial setting or a makerspace, rather than a consumer's home
@@kailashiyer404 It's a shame. There realllllly is a market out there for a small hobbies machine like this.
they'll
You could recycle old prints and layer different colours in the hopper to make your own custom transitioning filament
That’s really impressive that it made usable filament from pellets. It’ll be interesting to see how the recycling aspect (shredding old prints) will work!
Hey Joel, I'd love to see more content with this filament maker, I've been searching all over youtube for people that experiment with making their own filament and I'm glad to finally have you giving it a shot. Some things to try in the future would be recycled PET filament from water/soda bottles and recycled PLA from old prints. Also!! One small bit of advice, If you're gonna be recycling prints, while 100% recycled usually works fine, It's usually a good idea to mix recycled material with pellets to get a more consistent filament. Love your channel, high five!
So awesome to see this machine on your TH-cam channel. I did an internship with this company and worked a lot with the extruder. Have fun tinkering!
Some testing of how it works for recycling filament would be good to see.
The "at home" part is a VERY loose term, in this case. It implies "at a reasonable price". But in this case it really only means the location. The price is so far out of reach, for a normal person.........Would I like to recycle my failed prints? YES! I would love to. Would I pay over 5000€ for a way to do it? NO FREAKIN WAY!!
I can buy a lot of filament for that amount of money. I did a quick calculation and used premium filament and shipping and set the rate at 35€ per roll. That meant I could buy over 140 rolls of Filament. And that only covers the cost of the machine itself. You also have to buy the special pellets and the cleaning material.....
At home isn't a very loose term. It's size is comparable to a full sized ATX computer tower. It also does not appear to need any special power needs.
What you are addressing is just pricing which is a different issue. So no it's not ready for the hobbyist where that's way outside their price range. So it's not ready for them but seems on it's way to be ready for a shop.
Don't look at it as "Is this particular machine for me". Prices comes down when production ramps up.
To me this seems like a great addition to a shop that offers 3d printing like my local library or a mom and pop shop. Think about it charge a small fee to recycle scraps and it would get paid off in no time depending how much demand is there. I know I'd pay for such a service xD
And no one seems to actually review the Filastruder/Filawinder. Which is the cheapest way of doing this that I've seen. They just go with the multi-thousand dollar units that they get sent for free instead of investing some time/money and doing pre-research and getting several models to compare.
@@serenastieveling I have seen a few reviews by now (of that thing). Yes, it can recycle failed prints. But it's not an easy "put failed prints in, get new stuff out" - kind of thing. That makes it a deal breaker for a local library. In my library there isn't a 3D printer and even in the bigger town nearby, they don't offer 3d printing services. And even if, they may have a person that learned how to print your stuff. But using this machine has a learning curve all on it's own.
If it where a fully automated system that is as easy as "put failed prints in and get new out", I can see it for a library, or a small store. But this machine is a special piece of equipment.......
@@serenastieveling Keep doing what you're doing. You have a great mindset!
The real pro gamer move is to have the filament extruder feed directly into a printer.
Or, ya know, just make the filament maker the printer too
Custos, that’s called a pellet extruder
@@lucasvanbeers9906 Ya don't say
And from the printer straight to the shredder and back to filament maker.
It would be easier if some company invented a hot end that you could just put the pellets in and it just uses it with turning it into a role
"We should get some happiness out the nozzle right there." -
That's what she said!
Well said. Well said.
@4:41 Happiness out of the nozzle ! - Your turn of phrase is awesome :) :)
I would love to see you make your High 5 blue!!
Great video. Could you do me the favor and recycle some of your PLA and PETG filament with this machine? How do you do this? Best regards Martin
That's pretty cool! Have you done any further experimentation with this? I'd love to see a video about recycling supports and failed prints.
Glad to see something that finally works!
I'd be interested in some math. Curious as to the breakeven point if you're doing this with pellets, vs buying $20 rolls of pla.
You are one of the best 3d print channels for me. Thank you! Found some much interesting via your videos.
Thank you so much for such kind words!
Yeah make anything kinda has a strange voice
"It's magneted in" - you, Sir, know all the best words! :) thanks for the review!
I work in an R&D shop for a larger company- right now we have two stratasys machines and will be making our own large format printer in the next few months. we do injection molding so already have thousands of pounds of various materials and colorants here. our budget is way bigger then the average home user obviously and spending money to get hassle free equipment is up on the priority. we spend 10K plus on each of our statasys machines filaments every year. Having the option to make our own material for the new printer would be huge. don't even need a business case for 5K. That's who this is marketed towards.
Also we'll take this one off your hands if its just going to collect dust :)
When looking at this kind of product I would say we are not looking at the potential to look at prepackaged pellets but what could we use to recycle plastics already in existence to make filament from. There is a great home build shredder out there, Teaching Tech made one, could we dice up old water bottles or plastic bags into filament that could be made into something useful again? Great video Joel, this really shows where we can possible be moving to reducing land fill waste in the near future.
For recycling support material from shred part difficult. But you can nail it making first pallet from sherd material then use made pallet for 1.75mm filaments.🔐
Have you tried the Filastruder/Filawinder? This system looks very similar but just in a tighter package and for like 10X the cost.
Is there a way to grind up used models into beads to feed the filament maker?
I noticed that there is an ebonite filament around (don't remember where exactly), but I'd love to see that used to make a pen. Also curious about PMMA filament (plexiglass)?
Great Idea - would like to see how it does for recycling old prints with a companion grinder. Maybe 50-50 old/virgin PLA? Use this recycled filament for test prints before you print the actual design. Filament for you to create? "Gummy worm" - Random colors with clear or virgin PLA interspersed.
when it gets cheaper i WILL buy one ,......cheers for the vid and i wonder weather you can ad color to the new filament?
I always wondered if I poured my used coffee grounds to make new filament? Also, is the home made filament spring like? I ask because I noticed there isn't much room for the filament to cool down after its made. In your previous protopasta video, protopasta office had a whole room to cool down the filament with a wall of fans
Seeing one of your videos ever so often makes me want to revive my printer...
First thing I would do is to mix different colored pellets and see if you could get a camouflage like effect or if it just mixes it into one color.
Great video Joel! Would love to see how this machine works with recycled prints/support material.
I'd like to see how it works with used pla such as failed prints as that was one of the uses you mentioned.
What about machine maintenance? What do you have to do to clean up the drive screw/heat chambers after you have made your filament? Also, What materials can it process? What do you have to do scrap materials to prep them?
When I visited a plastics manufacturer recently, I saw their industrial machines, and their filament extruders had the filament passing through mid air. The machines were big, and there was approximately 3 meters between the orifice where the material was exiting the extruder and the spooler. So, it concerns me some that it goes from molten to spool in such a short distance. I wonder if there will be added distortion, such as being out of round, or taking a hard coil shape set, with it being such a short distance.
Here is what we experienced using the 3 Devo with recycled material. PLA. No mention of needing drying or any other steps during the purchasing phase with Pedro. Great sales pitch but development of this will take weeks of engineering time to make consistent thickness of filament. we drifted from 2.2 to 3.2 on a 2.85 setting. It would run in our 3d printer until it hit the variation of the filament then strip or clog in the 3D printer. Hope this helps those who are considering recycling. We don't use our at all at the moment don't have the time to develop someone else's product for them.
I have been saving all my old failed prints. Most are PETG and PLA. I have lots of different colors and have been wondering what would happen if I just tossed all of them in there?
Nice to see the filament turned out so well. Would love to see an attempt with some recycled parts mixed in.
I have always wanted to try Graphine as an additive to filament.
Would love to try.
Great video. I like the look ahead to what's coming. I agree with you that the prices for shredder/extruders will drop. High Five!
Can you take off spool to connect filament then put back on since magnetic?
i would have been more interested in using self-ground bits instead of pellets.
nobody is interested in an expensive machine that can extrude pellets.
Not if the pellets are CF grades of high-performance materials or anything else that is interesting
Why not? It cuts cost by 90% and gives you free range in colors and materials
@@BelviGER Cuts costs? Factor in the extreme cost of the machine and you're better off using retail PLA filament. For almost $5500, using pellets is just insane.
@@zybch you can't talk about the cost as the main turnoff point and then talk about the pellets being the issue. Those 10-30% of material that would be ground up and turned into new fillament are nothing price wise compared to the cost savings that pellets offer
Yes the cost is too high, but then again this machine is at the WAY upper end of the price range for "home" fillament extruders. If you want cheap, get yourself a filastruder plus maybe a filawinder. At that pricepoint creating garbage colored filament from supports and failed prints will eventually get to a break even point.
The issues then continue. One person will go on their website and order their 2500 buck grinder, will get the exact specs of grinded up material the machine expects and it will work great. The next person will say that its a waste of money and will cut it down with pliers t, taking half an hour for 50g, and will get an acceptable result, then the next idiot in line will say that that still takes too much time, chucks half a benchy in there and then complain about lacking consistency.
With pellets, you order them for a buck per pound (equivalent to two bucks for a roll of fillament), order yourself some masterbatch in WHATEVER color you want, maybe add some stuff like carbon fibres or whatever, and get consistent result continously
@@BelviGER sure I can. Paying pennies on the dollar for pellets AFTER posting $5400 for s machine to use them is not a insignificant expenditure.
id love to see it used on a very well tuned, accurate 3d printer to really push the filament
Would love to see you see if you can recycle some failed prints. Would also love to see if you can create a filament that has a specific smell. Like a red filament that smells of flowers to allow you to print roses ?
per hour how much filament can be produced? also the video doesnt explain if the spool is moving left to right so the filament winds properly.. i am assuming this function is not there?
i just wonder if you could test how good or bad can pla abs stand out to the weather like sun light and rain
I would like to see how it handles TPU, as flexible filaments are a different beast vs solid models.
What about the winding quality? There's a defect in the winding system that changes the filament diameter after the puller and before the traverse motion during winding. The winding length of filament changes from the center to the ends of the spool width, this causes variation in diameter. The company claims they solve this issue with an addition of a slipper clutch to the spool winder, but still won't solve the problem in my opinion.
Could you please try to make filament from shredded PET bottles? To what degree can this machine be used for recycling general plastic waste?
it's now 24/04/2022 and I was wondering did we get a cheaper doodad for waste filament?
And please tell me what we have to do for making colof one??
How do you grind up your failed prints/supports/etc for it? As for a filament to make, I'd like to see that output: Toss in a bunch of failed prints and see what comes out, with no additives or dyes.
With 3devo's "SHR3D IT", which is another $3k. lul
Thanks for the awesome content. Kinda wished you used some recycled filament with the virgin polymer though, to see how this machine performed with that.
Also, I believe resin usually refers to a precursor(s) that will then be polymerized or crosslinked in some fashion to create larger polymer chains. I believe in this case, those pellets are not called "resin" because you simply melting them, then, cooling them into a longer filament. Kind of like how when you can melt wax pellets or smaller pieces of wax into a larger dish, you don't change the structure of the wax chemically, you just melted it together into a object of larger volume. The molecular weight (length, if you will) of the polymer chains in the pellets versus the filament are likely very similar unlike in the case of casting a resin.
When you buy it in pellet form the manufacturers do refer to it as resin still (probably because the raw liquid monomer isn’t something they sell so they don’t feel like it would be confused with the resin pellets.)
how about just grinding up your old parts and use that as a filament and see how it works. also what grinder would you use or would you make one yourself?
Great video!
How does one back engineer their favorite brand of filament if the company is going out of business?
I am curious, how long does it take to do a complete spool of 1.75mm - or at least how much time it spent extruding what you had, prior to 3D printing Benchy?
Cool Bobby Duke shirt 😄👍
Joel, I would like to see the machine use recycled plastic instead of the uniform size pellets. That's the big test....
Have you tested the ReDeTec Protocycler? It's so much cheaper. But I can't find any reviews so far....maybe for good reasons.
How do you use this with old prints? U gotta turn the old prints into pellets? Or can you drop in bigger chunks of failed prints in the hopper? Can you show this using failed prints or something besides pellets? Are pellets cheaper than filament? Really bummed there was no recycling of old material in this video either
I agree with trying other types of plastics (PVC, PET, PP, PE-HD, etc...) or using other types of plastics as additives to mix with the PLA pellets. I don't know about this am just curious as to the possibility and out come???????
That's really quite encouraging. Sure it might be expensive, but I think the fact they've finally managed to make something that can create decent filament, is a good starting point to things becoming cheaper! (lol... just as I finished typing this, you said basically exactly the same thing 🤣)
As everyone else seems to be, we are also looking forward to the shredded print episode :) any idea how long that will be?
Hey Joel, great video but really want to see how recycling of filament works cause that would be awesome. That machine looks awesome, really excited about this machine, of course, yes, the price is faintable but cool none the less. Thanks for showing us this video. God bless
Don't care which filament, just if it can actually take waste material or will it clog up if the bits/particles are too big or too small.
Is love to see a Eagles Midnight Green filament.
Impressive machine with impressive results.... I want to see some recycled prints go thru it..... Price is high but I guess you get what you pay for.
As always excellent video Joel and Sean and once again I love all the new camera angles and whatnot.
Keep up the great work!! ✋
I agree. Why would anyone "buy" beads to make filament? May as well buy the filament. The price might be a better fit for a business where more scrap is being generated.
Do you know some good cheap shredder for plastic recycling ?
Thanks for the Micro Center shout out!
You could get an old blender and shred some failed prints in that. Try if it can make new filament out of the ground down prints. Thank you for reviewing this machine.
Is it possible to add something like a spice into filament?
Hi Joel! Can you please try to make the prusament galaxy black? We need a lot of it and it is too expensive for the quantity we want :)
Massive thumbs up for using ideamaker!!!
Can you make PET filament from recycled plastic from packaging, etc. around the house?
I worked in the plastic industry for 24 years. Yes the colorant in plastic changes it's melting profile, rigidity, & strength/brittleness.
Can it used for mixing different materials in powder form?
20mm/s outer shell! Oof I'm so spoiled by my Bowden corexy xD it have layer consistency issues but it prints so stupidly fast.
Can it do more than PLA?
Since I assume most people are not going to make their own resin pellets, I don't really understand why this is better than buying pre extruded done on high end equipment, given the prices are so low??
This isn't just about recycling used filament is it?
Would love to see how it hamdles recycling used filament vs using the pre-prepared pellets.
When recycling filament you have to use some virgin pellets otherwise it will turn out terrible. You really can't use JUST shredded used filament. Plastic degrades some every time it's melted and you need to supplement it with virgin plastic.
@@BladeScraper yea sure but I would love to see how it handles the mix as that is one of it's selling points is that you can recycle used plastic into me filament.
What I would like to see you try is:
1) Recycle old prints. I see that as a big reason to get this machine. If you're working in a shop that makes a lot of prototypes you end up with tons of plastic that costs you twice, once for buying the filament and a 2nd time when you pay for garbage disposal.
2) Add interesting stuff to the filament, e.g. glow in the dark powder, iron powder (to make it magnetic), glitter
I know this is a smart-ass response to an old post, but you can get blenders cheap from thrift-stores (not that a simple blender is particularly expensive new (I think the last one we bought was less than $20)).
Have you had any experience or success with nylon? tpu?
In which country it's available for sale ? Do you have restrictive sale practice or is it available to all over world
An idea: when you attempt print recycling you could sort out similarly sized pieces (by using a gravity-powered sorting machine or just a plain old strainer with holes similar in size to the beads you used in this video). Then you could test which size gives the best resulting filament/how long you need to blend in order to achieve that size.
Maybe even worth a stand-alone episode after just testing that it works at all :)
Please please PLEASE try the redetec Protocycler! I've wanted to see a REAL review of that system for years!
I'm very interested in buying one of these. I'd like to see you make PEI and/or PEEK filament.
Could you make scented filament? Mix in essential oils?
Nice... I'd love to see these get out there more. And while I don't expect to need one of these myself, if there was one local-ish, I'd love to be able to drop off my failed prints so they could get re-used by someone.... Maybe my local school or something. Would be nice..
Please do a galaxy filament. Glad to see that this turned out more successful than the last one.
12:00 Now shred the print(s) you made with this PLA and make them to filament and show us how good they become. After all to use PLA from factory might be fine, but what is when it was been already printed once? And how deals the machine the different sited chunks from ground up prints?
Best name I have ever seen
How long would it take to extrude a full spool?
The thing i would like to try first would be to make petg recycled filament from clear petg bottle (our everyday grocery water or juice petg bottles). Please try.
I’d also be interested in seeing something on the ProtoCycler+, if you’re able to get your hands on one. It’s ~1/3 the price, and currently has a 3-4 month order backlog, but it appears to be significantly superior to the 3DEVO Composer.
How well does it recycle filament?
There might be another market potential here: boutique filament services. From recycling your own print back onto filament to bespoke filaments. etc.