Making my OWN Filament from Failed Prints with the 3Devo Composer
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 มี.ค. 2019
- Since starting my journey with 3D printing 5 years ago I've been yearning to find ways to make the hobby more environmentally sustainable. There are many small things we can do, like designing to avoid support material and minimize material used, promoting functional and meaningful prints, printing with less harmful plastics like PLA... but one big goal that has been difficult to achieve is to eliminate any plastic waste by recycling any failed prints, rafts, support materials, etc. Ideally, we should be able to turn that plastic right back into filament to print with again! Well today I got my hands on a machine that can do just that, the 3Devo Composer 450. This video covers my initial experience getting started with the machine.
This video is not sponsored, but the Composer was sent to me for free so I could share my experience.
You can learn more about the 3Devo Composer at bit.ly/3Devo
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Since a lot of people are bound to bring it up, yes it's a very expensive machine (~$7000!). Still, it's the start of one solution!
That would be interesting to do the math then. What's your electricity and "consumables" cost for 1 kg of recycled filament?
I always keep my failed prints, in the hope that someday I can do something like this.
Hopefully the cost goes down, considering I’m only 14 lol
It’s a start! I actually do a lot of work for the plastics industry (building automation) and this is the first “at home” filament maker that actually uses the correct process of pulling on the extrusion to get the right diameter and material strength. This is clearly the Bugatti version. It’s only a matter of time before we see the Honda Civic version.
@@NicksStuff At the retail price it would probably take years of consistent use for it to "pay for itself", especially if it's that finicky about using recycled material. The only thing that makes it worth it is the ability to custom design your own filament in which case you are paying for access to the tool not really for the product and it's harder to quantify what that is worth to someone.
Maybe see if you can do a give away lol
This shows great promise! A local community could get one and people just drop off their failed prints. Like bottle and can recycling. Get some money back and the recycled filament gets made and sold locally.
Great idea.
That’s an really great idea
That's an awesome idea
Nice idea, but so easy it isent if you want to print with it again. Then it has to be total clean. Means not only clean from dirt, it has only to be pur ABS, pur PLA and so on. Otherwise you run into problems or cant use it for 3D printing anymore.
Maybe it could be worth in a poorer country or for a project where we make something together only from recycled plastic! I am in.
Feed the extruded filament directly into a 3d printer which will make prints that will automatically fall into a filament shredder upon completition and the shredder will pump the crushed filament back into the filament maker. The 3d printing centipede.
LOl - how meta!
More like the circle of printers
actually really nice idea, problem is just that this will run not more then 5 times, after that the filament is bridle, so it won't work anymore. That's also one problem with that extruders. Also you can print filament, that is the much easier way of "The 3d printing centipede"
Genius no more buying expensive filament
Too much satisfactory gaming 🤦🏻♂️
"activation code" Yay! DRM for a machine you own!
was just thinking that, really gives it such a long life after its first owner -_-
So what happens if the company goes out of business and you haven't activated it yet?
@@3DJapan You have a few dollars in scrap metal on your hands.
Normally, I'd agree. However I think it's actually used as a safety lock-out here. You MUST read all the documentation for a machine like this, it poses several hazards including burning the user, starting fires, and releasing toxic gases if mishandled.
It's a really neat machine, and is a step in the right direction for th sustainability of 3d printing, but it's a lot more complicated than it appears.
Firstly, you MUST keep your plastic waste separated and labeled, this becomes a storage issue if you like experimenting with various materials.
Second, and more importantly, you have to have a decent grasp on plastic chemistry to use a device like this safely. You all remember that delicious looking Candy Apple Red that a few companies were making that was quietly discontinued a few years ago? Yea, turns out the pigment released carcinogenic gases at typical nozzle temps. That's ON TOP OF the already nasty VOCs from normal filaments.
@@Gartral I would like to see a recycling service where you can send/give them all your failed prints and they reuse it, and you get money for it, instead of spending so much time and tweaks with creating a new filament. Some sort of recycle would be nice. Because compared to normal plasic trash, these ones are pretty clear and companies have the ability to filter any different color into seprated ways by lasers. And that goes with all the negative aspects you mentioned.
"temperatures are limited until you register"
Aight I'm out
next: "introducing the high temp DLC only $99.99!"
@@legoman8960 did EA make this crap?
When you get the process down you should try plastic bottle caps
I'd love to start shredding up ALL my waste plastic :D
I think that it's possible to build a pro-level filament extruding line (with a water channel, sensors and etc.) for ~ 10 grands (or maybe cheaper). It just takes more space but the result will be really outstanding. With a grining line (smaller and smaller pieces) I think it will be possible to recycle PET bottles and get filament out of it as well. It's more likely to get a profit than with this machine, Devin! (sorry, not sure I've wrote your name properly!)
PE should be printable being a thermoplastic and able to adheer to itself, so I could see using old plastic bottles and caps being another great way to recycle... It'd be pretty fun to shred a few pepsi bottle caps, turn them into filament and 3D print a Bepis logo with them. Maybe coke bottles and print them into a c0nke logo? The possibilities are pretty much endless!
@@KiR_3d If you're able to accurately modulate the extrusion speed and rapidly cool the filament (ice water bath would probably be more than sufficient here) then you could probably make it for less than £10K. The hard part is getting accurate extrusions to within +/- 10 microns, although it'd probably be doable with an arduino and a few high accuracy sensors.
@@DigBipper188 +/- 10 microns is the cosmic level tolerance :) +/- 30 micron is enough IMO. Although if it's possible to make it within +/-10 without lags then why not! :)
I really liked the part where you made your own filament
Dhut
@@rapolasbieliunas2866 what does that mean?
@@DuoVersal bruh it means dhut are you dumb?
Same man!
Y'all mean dude?
For recycling prints, you should try running it through the machine multiple times. Run it through the first time to get filament that's too inconsistent in size for the printer. Then, cut it up into pieces and put it back, and it should be regular enough to produce good quality extrusions the second time around.
Most plastics, (in contrast to metals) degrade each time they are melted.
Without pretty extreme metering and multiple melting chambers and boilers, reuse will require you to keep track of the history of your plastics.
First step: extrud it to 2mm , cool it and than extrude it to 1.75mm
Sure, this one's expensive. But ten years ago, 3d printers were crazy expensive too.
Yeah, but everyone wants to print, who s really in to recycling?
@@runklestiltskin_2407 good filament can be quite costly and it would be wasteful to throw all the support material/ failed prints away. Once these composers are available as 200$-400$ kits it seems sensible for people that print as a hobby.
if you're printing with more exotic filaments like PEEK (~250$/kg) or PEI (~180$/kg), being able to recycle them is really good.
also, for pla, a kg spool is 15-20$, while a kg of pellets is 3-5$. so for someone who prints a lot, it's less expensive.
Damn straight they were. I rmember the up mini launching in 2012. It was one of the first fully enclosed desktop 3D printers, and would set you back a cool $2000. Nowadays you can pick up a funtional enough printer that will do everything the up mini could do and way more for less than a tenth of that cost!!
that one filament maker is worth 350 kg of pla...craziness...
Sheesh 5k euros. Good to see something like this finally be made though, even if it isnt very accessible for many.
Yep. The first 3D printers were stupidly expensive too due to the technology being new; I'm sure these devices will get cheaper and better too as things progress.
@@Fighter_Builder filament extruders aren't something new...this is just too expensive
I've seen many reviews of DIY filament makers, and they all have the same problems: high cost, high tolerances on the filament and a lot of tinkering involved into making it run.
It's not 5k euros, it's way more, check their website and notice the VAT excluded note ;-)
Cheapest one is €5300 VAT excluded, most expensive one is €6950 still VAT excluded,
that makes them €6466 and €8479, or $7,627 to $10,000 VAT included!
Me: "whoa that's awesome! let's look at the price!"
Also me: "$7000 bucks.. ok. I'll continue to throw away plastic."
same
let say on average a single spool costs you $25 (typical 2kg spool).
and the machine costs $8000.
so the math is, 8000/25 = 320 spools.
Which means, you can get 320 spools for the same price as this machine.
Unless you do A LOT of printing, it is not worth it. Stick to throwing a little plastic away from time to time.
its over 8K now
or maybe
just do what he did in his recycling prints video
Or, you could send it to someone who has one of these so you don't make the world more polluted, and also get rid of your trash
This is like a "concept car" version of the product. Impractical, but its features will eventually find their way down to realistically-priced machines. However, the required "activation" is really intrusive & obnoxious.
$7000 at a profit of $10/kg it would take 700hrs for an even break. Can it last that long without maintenance? (700 kgs)
At 8 hrs a day that would 3 months to pay itself off. But even with a minimum wage employee attending to these machines you would need several machines for it to be profitable.
At $11,000 filabot can output 4.5kg/hr. Even when assuming they have the same maintenance costs. Filabot can be profitable after a little over a month (245hrs).
You may need an extra machine or two for it to be viably profitable, but it will require less divided man power than the 3Devo (4.5x less labor)
The $3000 cheaper price is not worth it if you account for an employee attending the machines and the decreased output.
Both the $7000 and $10,000 price tag is not meant for hobbyist consumers. Who is this machine marketed for?
@GuardianLords how work out $10/kg profit? For me it about $30/kg of filament if just buy
I don’t want to know what all that math means...
It's marketed for rich people who like 3d printing, this is really more of a gimmick than anything it seems
At that price it should be spitting out gold 🤣😂
I can't even begin to think on how all the different parameters interact and how they're able to control them all - it's really amazing seeing the initial blobby filament quickly turn into a smooth stream as it adjusts the speed!
For recycling you need to extrude it twice. So run your scraps through and done worry about width then grind / chop whatever you want to do and run it through again. You should get a more even extrusion
you might try chopping the bad diameter filament into granulate to get more consistent size
Food blender . . then . . . coffee grinder.
That sounds like a good standard feature to put into these, to just keep looping the filament back into it's own grinder & feed hopper until the diameter is consistent. THEN start ouputting it onto the spool.
Why the hell is there an activationcode on it???? That doesn't build up confedence.... It reminds me of those other electronics who had it... people lost codes... or the company didn't support it anymore and the product became useless....
yeah, same as the laser cutters that only run on the companies servers. so you have to log the printer into a website. complete nonsense and just a pointless way to screw over their customers.
You can use it without activating up to 200°C You need to activate the tempratures above with the code, just to make sure you know what you are doing
Hi John! As tobih182 mentioned, we have our users request an activation code to ensure they have read the start-guide and extrusion precautions. We want to make sure they have properly set up their Filament Extruder in order to prevent clogging or other issues that may occur with certain materials (when not treated properly). I hope this helps clear things up a bit :)
@@3devo is it also used as an effort to protect your system from being reverse engineered & copied?
@@3devo and whats to stop them putting in a code without having done any of that? where do they actualy get the code?
what if they sell the product on to someone else.?
I've seen people make mods for 3d printers that use a hopper of granulate instead of filament because it's shockingly cheap to buy raw granulate in bulk.
@John Dondero that's what i'm talkin about
Every makerspace should have one. I'd love to have a local place where I could go recycle my PLA for reuse.
BMW is using this machines aswell, it is perfect for printing prototypes in your serial material that isnt available as filament, also you are saving a ton of money when you get 1kg for 5$ instead of 200...
... huh thats kinda like fossil fuels. We dig up old dinosaurs to fuel our current dinosaurs.
@@roidroid to become a dinosaur it requires a meteor and a lot of time, history always repeats itself :>
We’re in love with it too ,and the translucent vase wow its amazing
This was probably one of my favorite videos lately. I enjoy pretty much all your videos but this seems like a really fun concept to work (or at least see you work with).
You might want to have a look at their shredder/granulater and see what that does because that is meant to work in a mock supply chain with the Composser. It might give you some ideas on how far you need to go in processing your old prints so you can use them with this. Great video and yes it's expensive but nice to see the equipment (hopefully the price will come down as more market competitors come along or new tech is made)
Most honest youtuber even says consider subscribing
I actually worked at this company and made a couple dozen of these Extruders. Just wanted to share it😂
And you won't tell us about the famous and athletic shredder you made at 3devo as well?
But thanks for you service Max :D
@@amnesia071 Hee Jasper, those are the best ;)
We honor you for your service, Max!
I definitely want to see more of this! The idea of recycling scraps is really fascinating to me!
Thanks, this video increased my 3D pen efficiency a lot! Instead of doing the additional step of creating failed prints, I now print the filament directly into the hopper, recycle it through the machine and feed it directly back into the 3D pen, basically creating a loop. This way, I waste just as many resources, but save a lot of time and frustration and the end result is the same: not having anything to show.
Can we send you some plastic and will you recycle it?
Maybe eventually but I'm not prepared for that yet!
@Suraj Dixit Yeah and lots of support material
I can't wait for the really good Chinese knock offs
Lol
Mate, check out the wellzoom filament extruder line. The full kit is like 3500 usd, so pretty much half the price of this one while looking to be a more professional piece of equipment. I'm planning on buying something similar. Sadly I'm broke so time will tell if something better will hit the market by the time I'm ready financially.
Well the entire 3d printer project was open source, so it wasn’t hard for them to replicate
At this crazy price they have created their own competition. Loads of room for cheaper rivals.
Same...6 grand plus....I'm a hobby 3d printist not a hooker. Do not have that kinda cash.
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I would love to see you experimenting more with recycling, it amazing that a machine like this exists
Heard the pricetag, nearly lost me, and then I head 'activation code'.
Imagine buying one of these ridiculous squares, and the company goes under.
No windows activation key for you!
That happened to cozmo but a nice company bought anki and brought the servers back. i'm glad because i have a cozmo!
Hi I’m here. I don’t have a 3D printer and I don’t plan to get one, but your videos are entertaining even if I don’t understand what the heck your saying.
keep doing what you’re doing
LoL sweet
Lol me too
@Liquid Water: Than you my friend.......are missing out :(
Oh I have a 3D printer but I also don’t know whaat the **** he’s talking about
This is such a wonderful machine!!! One that actually works, awesome!!! I would love to see you extruding more filament and printing with it! Thanks for sharing!
I wish I could get one, it’d be interesting to mix colors. You are so unbelievably fortunate!
We need a 3D printer with an optical sensor and self-adjusting flow rate.
That would be cool but optical sensors are expensive. A pair of digital micrometers might be cheaper solution.
@@SafetyLucas Optical sensors are quite literaly a dime a dozen. however, I think the idea of two micrometers is a better solution. maybe a set of two spring loaded rollers cappable of measuring the size.
This smells hackable
@@RalphBrandsma I think redundancy would be to have both systems. If only one is possible, I am in favor of the optical. Fewer moving parts.
@@deefdragon i see what you mean. However. I was thinking more for both dimensions. As in have them in a x configuration so that you are sure it is coming out cylindrical and not skewed. But I agree with the less moving parts idea
You should try making some filament out of perler beads they are pretty inexpensive and have a wide color range I bet they will make some good gradients for some awesome prints
No. Not the same type of plastic. It will ruin this machine and if it doesn't. Completely ruin the machine. You can also make gradients with pla. That's a lot safer and like actually works
It’s always interesting that so many people push for the green future and recycling, and then complain that recycling is more expensive than making something new which is ALWAYS the problem with recycling.
People assume it should be cheaper but the cost of re-processing something from imperfect scraps is harder than new.
Massively keen on seeing you playing with this machine more, waiting for a decent machine for home use
Very cool this is some revolutionary stuff thank you so much great video
Yes!
A machine to close the cycle and make 3d printing even more awesome.
It's really nice to watch informative and visual-pleasing videos like this. Thanks!
Devon, great video! Please definitely keep posting more videos of recycling filament that can be reused in your printer!
You should actually make a video about all the "benchies" you made over the years.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who goes "wheeeee!" When they spin on a big wing nut. :)
So, how's the cost difference for raw materials vs just buying a spool off Amazon? Good video.
reminds me of the early days of consumer 3d printing... can't wait to see where this tech goes!
You can get mesh screens that you put into a wood frame to make sieves that allow material that is small enough to pass all the way through. If you use several different stages of screens you can get material that needs to be chopped a lot more versus material that needs to be chopped less. The final screen will give you a "go / no-go" gauge for the material you actually put into the hopper.
1. Make sure all your failed prints are the same material
2. clean them
3. Dry them
4. Shred them
5. repeat 2 and 3
and dont forget to mix it with 30% new granulate :-)
Alternatively........ Throw it all away?
@@Xayify then whats the point of this machine
3D pen over the noodle and turn it into a snek
💕 Shoot, sorry so late ! Great video !!! You did an awesome first run !!
Yeh, when you were pouring in the recycled pieces, etc., I sort of winced and thought, "Nooo". lol I was thinking it'd clog a bit.
But your test vases in the end are wonderful !! I love them !! Can't wait to see you do more from your new machine, and fresh filament ! 👏👏👏👍👍👍😎😎😎✌🏼✌🏼✌🏼
I would consider greatly this machine if I had a printing farm.
Nice review, and the combo of there shredder can make the recycling a good option for long term.
Love to see you grind up some water and coke bottles and see if you can make prints with that.
From the looks of the machine, it would seem to be more geared to producing your own first use filament rather than creating recycled filament. Given that, what do you see as the promise of this machine? Custom colors? Unusual filament diameters? Rainbow filament? Prototyping your own exotic filament?
As painful as wasting filament and failed prints is, any kind of machine would seem to be prohibitive to all but the larges of printing environments.
You're right, this isn't everybody's filament maker, but it's nice to see what's possible at the highest end of desktop solutions! I'm going to keep trying to recycle failed prints, but I'm also very eager to just make my own custom colors and unusual composites
So, how far away is being able take plastic in our house- packaging and such- knowing what is made from and melting or grinding it up and printing other things we need?
i kept all my failed print since I started 3d printing. All sorted by color and brand and perfect for recycling when these machines are more common and I can eventually use one locally
this is just getting better and better
So badass! Thanks for sharing this process. You crack me up! How much is that machine?
Unfortunately it's thousands of dollars, but at least it works 😅
@@make.anything hey haha! Theyll get the price point down over the next few year. Thanks for sharing this project! Keep designing!
@@make.anything hey haha! Theyll get the price point down over the next few year. Thanks for sharing this project! Keep designing!
Netherlands represent!!!!
Reppin'
That’s cool! I’ve been looking for filament making/recycling videos!
Sounds like you'd benefit from the Tevo Shr3d It for those failed prints you want to reuse. I did some research on Tevo and the Shr3d It and it sounds like a pretty good product. It will shred any print into consistent bits of plastic that can be used to make filament.
The future is so close I could touch it
But can I make a new life out of my failed current one?
Yes ;)
dat gradient though! i think that's a really cool effect you can achieve with the machine
Nice work - can't wait to see successful recycled filament!
I want one
You really need to work on the size difference in the crushed filament. You had 1cm pices with items there were basically dust size. That will never work no matter what your settings are. It needs to be consistent as much as possible.
Yes, perhaps it needs the scraps to be pulverized until powder, then mixed in that way.
Or fuse the scraps into standard size pellets/grains like the rest. How do they even make those pellets, they are rounded & have no cut marks i dont get it. 👽
@@roidroid pellets come from a multiextruder, think big hot meat grinder, and are cut up while they're still hot. While cooling down and rubbing against each other they acquire their rounded shape.
I think Devin needs to sift his pieces to make sure they're all below a given size, about the size of factory supplied pellets. Also it still won't be consistent enough. Perhaps a two step process, where he first extrudes some filament which may not necessarily come out consistent, then somehow (to be solved) chop that up into pellets of consistent length, which will then be already much closer to perfect and maybe repeat this process.
That color is amazing! I love lt.
I would recommend getting a 5 gallon bucket or aluminum pail to dry blend before pouring into the hopper. This is a nice idea for sure, but I bet one could build something much, much better for the same price.
I think you should call the filament made from your failed prints "FAIL-iment"
Eight! Honestly, I'm not first.
This comment is at the very start of your program, I am psyched that you got this filament creating machine. I am brand new at this 3-D pen stuff and I love it, and one of the very first thoughts I had was what can be done with the waste? So I'm excited to see this thing work and work well. See you in 15 minutes
one small step for man 10 massive steps for dev great video mate
For 5350 Euro you can buy a lot of New filament
$7000, I'm pretty sure the machine will break down before you get your money's worth.
Waiting for a part 2 on this, considering you might have learnt a great deal about it by now
Looks like the 3D equivalent of a Lamborghini. Really nice but nothing more than a play thing for people with more money than sense.
Please dont mix the Plastik to Dust!!!
It will clog your system!!! Just imagine flour getting pressed together and thats what you get if it is too fine. Upvote so Devin will see this.
I made my lyman extruder last year. Its has been working pretty flawlessly and costs just a fraction of this machine.
Maybe there is a reason the raw PLA has the shape is has, to prevent jamming and maintain an steady supply of melted PLA helping precise extrusion.
If that is the case, we need an additional machine to produce these pellets, or they have to melt shredded PLA before it gets into the feeding screw.
Nog hollanders hier?
If you’re having issues with the recycled stuff failing, perhaps something that vibrates could help. Sort of like tapping on a funnel to get sugar through. It would have to vibrate at intervals, or you’d have it unmix your plastics.
I really want one of these. I’d especially like to use it with all the soda bottles I go through.
Nice video. I loved it. As far as the thinner filament goes if it did have a problem I'm sure turning a flow rate up would have fixed it.
You don't need to grind to dust, you only need to grind moderately, sift out the largest pieces, and regrind those oversized bits.
wow your desk is so wobbly!
Fantastic project
Thanks for sharing 👍😀
10:10 You 'tweeked' the settings the wrong way. Increasing the temperature will make the material less viscous so naturally the extrusion will be thinner.
This machine is pretty close to how a Fiber optic company I worked for made their fiberoptic , except there was no hopper as it was made from large "rods " of glass and gravity did most of the work till it got to spooling. pretty sweet !
Verrry interesting. As you said, a great next step.
Oh my gosh! Good luck fine tuning it.
love the video
this technology is new and can only get better and cheaper
The part where you said about grinding your recycling filaments to dust, would a kitchen blender be good and cutting them down?
13:11 The vases look like glass! sweet!
brilliant! more failed prints from failed prints! and it costs a hell more too!
that cloud be cool for recycling plastic stuff all around it would be pretty cool
Part 2 pls :)
Loved the vid!
the music is so calming
Man I want this! Talk about stretch goals!
Hello there, thank you for the video. I am wondering how you grinded/pulverized your old 3D prints into something that you be fed into the hopper? Blender? Paper shredder?
To get good sized granules from recycled prints you could extrude it once to crappy quality filament and shred that. Then you could use those like the new granules alternatively you could try replacing the pully wheel with a gear like thing that cuts the freshly extruded filament from the first run.
This gets better results most of the DiY stuff I've seen. Lots of potential here and it will be interesting to see how it handles pure recycled plastic rather than adding raw plastic to the mix.
I'm also thinking that getting more consistent shredded material may be the key to making this work. Powderizing the recycled plastic might be too small, something closer to the size of the raw granules might work better.