The Cessna 210 are not all pressurized. The P210 is. It is also heavier, a bit slower and slightly less range than the non pressurized versions. It’s easy to spot a P210 because they have windows with rounded corners vs the square corners on the non turbo version.
Only the Cessna P-210N ('78-'83) and the P-210R ('85-'86) were pressurized. And, the -210s are six-seaters. Actually, the model evolved out of the C-206. The Beech Baron 58P is the only pressurized Baron. Admittedly, I have zero flight hours above FL180 in a light single or twin-engine pressurized aircraft. If I were flying in the flight levels even in a pressurized aircraft, you can bet that I'd have supplemental oxygen with me, and at the ready.
Don't forget about the pressurized 337 which has the advantage of dual inline engines. Not too common, but they are out there. And, the pressurized cabin gives the advantage of a quieter flight. SEE my more recent comments on these planes.
The cheapest part of buying or owning an airplane is the purchase price folks. Remember, there is still the annual costs of maintenance, annual inspections, AD compliance, hangar rent, fuel, oil, tires, oil changes, spark plugs, etc. maintenance is expensive, parts are expensive, labor hours for repairs are expensive. The cheapest airplane is the one your friend owns and if you’re lucky enough lets you fly with him.
Not a pressurised 210. The P210 has distinct rounded windows. Also the baron in the video is the shorter B55 which is not pressurised. Great work though, enjoy your channel
your numbers on the pressurized P210 are way off. The pressurized P210 does 175 to 200 knots The Pressurized 337 skymaster does 180 to 210 knots (and flys straight with one engine) Riley rocket 337 does 220 knots and the Riley SuperSkyrocket 337 does 250 knots
I thought the pressurized two tens all had circular windows, when you showed there had the rectangular windows, which I prefer the one that you had pictured, I just didn't realize that those were pressurized, correct me if I'm wrong
Lancair IV-P outclasses everything, cruise at 539km/h, about the same as Cirrus Visionjet but the interesting thing is, it can be so much better yet. It's a one ton bird and it's not a twin jet. Nor does it have a lav. Imagine cutting the weight to 250kg, 4 seats, 1 lav (one time inserts and wet wipes) and 2 small turbofan jets. Increase the speed to 750km/h yet still better fuel economy than a cirrus SR22. Lower new price than a Cessna 172. Less than half of a Cirrus SR22. Runway to runway autopilot and ceiling at FL450. A light speedwalker. Probably couldn't reach hawaii but transatlantic via greenland.
There are no affordable airplanes they run on money to operate you better have lots of money to operate an airplane cheapest part is the purchase price and then it keeps getting expensive
The pictured 210 was not pressurized. The Baron pictured was also the non pressurized version. The Mooney was a limited production airplane that failed in the market. The engine is no longer available or serviceable the remains ones are trying to get a STC for another engine. The Malibu is a good airplane.
The 210 in The video is not pressureised you mean the p210 with the oval windows that may have been a terbo 210.Earley 210s were 260 HP . looks like the one shown no terbo charger
Pretty questionable info on this video Mike. On the 210's, you really needed to focus on the P210. The one you highlighted and discussed was a 210, totally not pressurized at all. The Mooney Mustang is also a poor choice. The worst on this list. Only something like 30 of those were ever produced, and most pilots will never see one in their lifetime. Also, the Malibu Mirage and Meridian were left off the list. I know the M350 is a predecessor along the M500/600, but the Malibu 310P is the least popular of the bunch, the Mirage and Meridian being the most. Also the Propjet would have been worth mentioning. You probably could have mentioned the twin Cessna line starting from the 340 and up to the 421C. There are more of those flying around than P210's and 58P's combined. You should do a little more research for these videos. Not impressed.
@@szefkuba Naw I'm good on that. Not my thing. But I think there's value in holding others accountable for mistakes, albeit minor stuff. Especially in Aviation. No diss to Mike, just clarifying misrepresentations.
Mike, I enjoy most of your content, but your research is insufficient to this episode. You are showing the T210, and not the P210. Those windows on the T210 could not survive pressurization!
Mike, you've missed a whole host of other better airplanes for less than a million. The Cessna 414, 414A, the Cessna 421, 421A, 421B and 421C and finally the Mitsubishi MU2 series which can also be had for less than a million.
Which is the best pressurized airplane for training in? Aviation is my new hobby but I'm pretty much a complete novice. Atm I'm looking to buy two airplanes. One is for learning in but I plan on keeping it long term to fly occasionally to keep my skills sharp, for shorter trips, and smaller airports. The second plane will depend on mission use which is something I'm still learning about but I'm leaning towards a Phenom 300 or a CJ3 atm.
Hi! I was think to buy a Cessna 175 or 172 for to have mobility with my 8 cats. We are at Brazil and I hope , yet this year, move us to EUA, or Canada or Europe. But, the noise is to much. In fact, the prices now are to much more expensive, was 17.000 and now 30-50-100k USD! The pressurizers ones are the Unic way to my pet family. But I can't affort that so fast, and don't want to compromise on it so much money. So, we need to rent an aircraft like that Cessna 210. And until now, I couldn't to found a way for to do that. All the airplane marketplace , pilots schools, even for the 172 piston types, didn't give to me a positive ensure. So, where to rent that? Affordable?
Range is usually relevant to design, payload and performance, if your preference is range without payload the Risen is a single engine 2 seater with double the range of those pressurized models. As always do your own research and have a checklist of what you want and what you actually need. You may need to carry more people but can fly multiple legs for refuelling eliminating the need for range. The choice is always personal
@@ADAMREES-GRITGYM no worries, if you plan on purchasing any plane that appears like a bargain look at the engine hours and the hours for overhaul, they maybe close to a major and usually costly maintenance overhaul so finding a local expert to inspect it is always recommended. Design is an important factor to flight characteristics such as the Velocity Twin, it's reasonable in price passenger capacity is also responsible and performance is great for unpressurized but it is short with a wide wingspan so it is more stable sideways than forward flight, the Diamond DA42 is also responsible performance, efficient, has passenger capacity with a longer fuselage by about 10 ft so the ride quality will be more smooth like a long wheelbase car but you pay extra for comfort and quality. Always look at the planes glide ratio in the event of power failure and if it is a single engine a ballistic recovery parachute would be advisable.
Awesome video but what would be the “cheapest high flying planes” *service curling above 30k ft that could carry at least one passenger…would I be allowed to fly that high if I had such a plane?
In a non RVSM plane (literally almost every GA plane) you cannot go 30k my guy. Without pressurized oxygen you cannot go over 25k. You generally want to stay under 20k with oxygen and legally 12k without
@@eagle2019 Aircrafts on Avgas are on the long run more expansive. And I think somewhere around 2035 the politics will set a deadline. So every aircraft could have to get another motor.
On point as always! Pretty sure most pilots dream about being able to fly high enough that our current rules no longer apply. I have to detour around two military bases to get anywhere interesting.
Affordable and pressurized are words that don't belong together
😂 affordable in aviation terms
You got that right!!!
Yeah... thats a butthole clenching sentence
It's ALL relative ;-)
Make a video on why pressurised aircraft are so expensive to maintain
The Cessna 210 are not all pressurized. The P210 is. It is also heavier, a bit slower and slightly less range than the non pressurized versions. It’s easy to spot a P210 because they have windows with rounded corners vs the square corners on the non turbo version.
Yep... And the engine is a TIO, not a IO...
Only the Cessna P-210N ('78-'83) and the P-210R ('85-'86) were pressurized. And, the -210s are six-seaters. Actually, the model evolved out of the C-206. The Beech Baron 58P is the only pressurized Baron. Admittedly, I have zero flight hours above FL180 in a light single or twin-engine pressurized aircraft. If I were flying in the flight levels even in a pressurized aircraft, you can bet that I'd have supplemental oxygen with me, and at the ready.
Actually, other way around, the 206 (205/206/207) were developed from the 210. Spot on the rest though.
Yes and the 210 came from the 182, that's it
@@Ulbre I left out the 205/207 because the 206 has more recognition, and is still highly sought after.
And a typical 210 will do 160kts plus not 140/145
Don't forget about the pressurized 337 which has the advantage of dual inline engines. Not too common, but they are out there. And, the pressurized cabin gives the advantage of a quieter flight. SEE my more recent comments on these planes.
You missed the Aerostar 601P, which can be gotten reasonably for around $150k. Fully pressurized and a ton of them built and still flying. :)
Really???? What’s the catch.
The Cessna 210 you showed was not a pressurized model.
Yes it is
The cheapest part of buying or owning an airplane is the purchase price folks. Remember, there is still the annual costs of maintenance, annual inspections, AD compliance, hangar rent, fuel, oil, tires, oil changes, spark plugs, etc. maintenance is expensive, parts are expensive, labor hours for repairs are expensive. The cheapest airplane is the one your friend owns and if you’re lucky enough lets you fly with him.
Not a pressurised 210. The P210 has distinct rounded windows. Also the baron in the video is the shorter B55 which is not pressurised. Great work though, enjoy your channel
The Pressurized Barons have TSIO-520's .. and an airframe life limit of 10,000 hours.
I believe only the p210 was pressurized.
He doesn’t bother to fact check anything.
You believe correctly.
@@superskullmaster Facts/schmacks!
Correct. The p210 is the only pressurized 210.
Moving from Sling TSI, the Lancair IV-P seems natural transition
Thanks my brother, your vids never disappoints!
Love your recaps and your informative tutorial videos
Not all 210s are pressurized. There also have been accidents where people died because they lost pressurization. Admittedly not very common
Correct. See the video description
your numbers on the pressurized P210 are way off.
The pressurized P210 does 175 to 200 knots
The Pressurized 337 skymaster does 180 to 210 knots (and flys straight with one engine)
Riley rocket 337 does 220 knots and the Riley SuperSkyrocket 337 does 250 knots
Only the P210 is pressurized, also we true out around 175kts in our T210N not 140
Ypu have Grown ur channel well. Almost 400k well done
Very nice overview of today’s market, thank you! 5:55
I’m glad you included the Lancair
What is the "benefit" 1:25 of the high wing? Smacking your head during the preflight? Needing a ladder to refuel? lol
An enjoyable and informing video .. Thanks for posting.
Thank you so much Mike-Your video here was very interesting,very nice,very informative,and very educational!!🥰
Love the Piper Matrix with max range to 2400km
You showed a nonpressurizend 210. The P210 can reach 185 knots at altitude.
Very Nice Bro! Get Good Pilots!
can you do a video of the 5 Most Affordable Pressurized New Airplanes 2022
210 was a beast 💪
I will "Like" your video when the prices go down on these aircraft by 50%....hehe....NOPE..LIKED AND SUBSCRIBED!
I thought the pressurized two tens all had circular windows, when you showed there had the rectangular windows, which I prefer the one that you had pictured, I just didn't realize that those were pressurized, correct me if I'm wrong
Thank you for the information.
Lancair IV-P outclasses everything, cruise at 539km/h, about the same as Cirrus Visionjet but the interesting thing is, it can be so much better yet. It's a one ton bird and it's not a twin jet. Nor does it have a lav. Imagine cutting the weight to 250kg, 4 seats, 1 lav (one time inserts and wet wipes) and 2 small turbofan jets. Increase the speed to 750km/h yet still better fuel economy than a cirrus SR22. Lower new price than a Cessna 172. Less than half of a Cirrus SR22. Runway to runway autopilot and ceiling at FL450. A light speedwalker. Probably couldn't reach hawaii but transatlantic via greenland.
Is it pressurized?
@@WattsUpDev lancair IVP is yes
What are the best turboprops with 1500 NM in range and is twin engine
What's a good affordable four to six passenger plane that mainly travel between Florida and the Carribean?
There are no affordable airplanes they run on money to operate you better have lots of money to operate an airplane cheapest part is the purchase price and then it keeps getting expensive
Nicely done
Love it Mike thanks!,
1. Cessna 210
2. Mooney M22 Mustang
3. Beechcraft Baron 58P
4. Lancair 4P
5. Piper Malibu
Any thoughts for the most affordable 6 seater airplane for family?
PA-32 Cherokee Six
Can you do a video “cheapest planes with toilet”? 😊 preferably for 7-12 people. A good family plane
There are no cheap airplanes
The pictured 210 was not pressurized. The Baron pictured was also the non pressurized version. The Mooney was a limited production airplane that failed in the market. The engine is no longer available or serviceable the remains ones are trying to get a STC for another engine. The Malibu is a good airplane.
Mike, I love these list videos.
The 210 in The video is not pressureised you mean the p210 with the oval windows that may have been a terbo 210.Earley 210s were 260 HP . looks like the one shown no terbo charger
Higher is also safety, better turbulence avoidance options,
Great review as always, Mike.
You left out the Cessna 421???
Hello, what is the purchase price of a Beach Craft KingAir 350i?
Is a correction A210 is not pressurized but AP210 is pressurized
Great video!
Pretty questionable info on this video Mike. On the 210's, you really needed to focus on the P210. The one you highlighted and discussed was a 210, totally not pressurized at all. The Mooney Mustang is also a poor choice. The worst on this list. Only something like 30 of those were ever produced, and most pilots will never see one in their lifetime. Also, the Malibu Mirage and Meridian were left off the list. I know the M350 is a predecessor along the M500/600, but the Malibu 310P is the least popular of the bunch, the Mirage and Meridian being the most. Also the Propjet would have been worth mentioning. You probably could have mentioned the twin Cessna line starting from the 340 and up to the 421C. There are more of those flying around than P210's and 58P's combined. You should do a little more research for these videos. Not impressed.
U should make ur own video
@@szefkuba Naw I'm good on that. Not my thing. But I think there's value in holding others accountable for mistakes, albeit minor stuff. Especially in Aviation. No diss to Mike, just clarifying misrepresentations.
Give us some more options...
Nice list Mike but WHERE ARE THE CESSNA 414's and the 421's !!??????????? Those are no brainers in the sub500k price range!
Tried to limit the twins as much as possible.
@@mojogrip Why??? The MU-2 is cheaper and faster than some of the singles you've mentioned.
Awesome 😎😎😎😎
So are looking at a piper Malibu to replace your current plane?
200 plus mph for 1000 plus miles, I’d love to have that travel option.
Donizete Braganca pt SP Brasil ✈✈✈✈
Mike, I enjoy most of your content, but your research is insufficient to this episode. You are showing the T210, and not the P210. Those windows on the T210 could not survive pressurization!
Mike, you've missed a whole host of other better airplanes for less than a million. The Cessna 414, 414A, the Cessna 421, 421A, 421B and 421C and finally the Mitsubishi MU2 series which can also be had for less than a million.
We know by now that he doesn’t really do any research.
Which is the best pressurized airplane for training in?
Aviation is my new hobby but I'm pretty much a complete novice.
Atm I'm looking to buy two airplanes. One is for learning in but I plan on keeping it long term to fly occasionally to keep my skills sharp, for shorter trips, and smaller airports. The second plane will depend on mission use which is something I'm still learning about but I'm leaning towards a Phenom 300 or a CJ3 atm.
What about the Cessna P337 which is easily one of the most affordable pressurized planes?
What about the 340, 414 and 421?
Hi! I was think to buy a Cessna 175 or 172 for to have mobility with my 8 cats. We are at Brazil and I hope , yet this year, move us to EUA, or Canada or Europe. But, the noise is to much. In fact, the prices now are to much more expensive, was 17.000 and now 30-50-100k USD! The pressurizers ones are the Unic way to my pet family. But I can't affort that so fast, and don't want to compromise on it so much money. So, we need to rent an aircraft like that Cessna 210. And until now, I couldn't to found a way for to do that. All the airplane marketplace , pilots schools, even for the 172 piston types, didn't give to me a positive ensure. So, where to rent that? Affordable?
The baron looks the business 👌🏽
Great video Mike, hope family are doing well
All is well brother. Thank you
@@mojogrip glad to hear, bet ur baby is growing up fast. Stay safe bud
I would not say that the malibu is easy to fly, i mean if you want the engine to lasts. But good video
The Baron with over 4000 hours and 43 years old is 360.000$ WTF????
Will these have a greater range?
Range is usually relevant to design, payload and performance, if your preference is range without payload the Risen is a single engine 2 seater with double the range of those pressurized models. As always do your own research and have a checklist of what you want and what you actually need. You may need to carry more people but can fly multiple legs for refuelling eliminating the need for range. The choice is always personal
@@SGTMARSHALL1 much appreciated! Thank you for taking the time.
@@ADAMREES-GRITGYM no worries, if you plan on purchasing any plane that appears like a bargain look at the engine hours and the hours for overhaul, they maybe close to a major and usually costly maintenance overhaul so finding a local expert to inspect it is always recommended. Design is an important factor to flight characteristics such as the Velocity Twin, it's reasonable in price passenger capacity is also responsible and performance is great for unpressurized but it is short with a wide wingspan so it is more stable sideways than forward flight, the Diamond DA42 is also responsible performance, efficient, has passenger capacity with a longer fuselage by about 10 ft so the ride quality will be more smooth like a long wheelbase car but you pay extra for comfort and quality. Always look at the planes glide ratio in the event of power failure and if it is a single engine a ballistic recovery parachute would be advisable.
@@SGTMARSHALL1 will do. Thankyou!!
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Oxygen concentrators are so cheap to buy now, you could easily be filling your own oxygen bottles
You can't refill an O2 bottle from an O2 concentrator
It’s the hassle of always having to refill, and monitor and putting something on your face.
Don’t forget the Beech Duke
What's a great school to attend here in Georgia
I once had an opportunity to buy a low hour Malibu for 69k and that was only three years ago
They've gone up 7x ?
I have a Mooney Mustang
Ya, but which one of these has room, so I can actually fit lol. I barely fit in an Archer. Just barely.
Vlocity 600 is pressurized new one
wow
lol I dont know why I always watch these videos about buying planes. I'm broke!
Lol I used to eat up airplane videos way back in the day
the 210 shown is not a pressurized model....
WHERE IS THE AEROSTAR
JR
Flew an Azteca
Awesome video but what would be the “cheapest high flying planes” *service curling above 30k ft that could carry at least one passenger…would I be allowed to fly that high if I had such a plane?
Any flights above 18,000' requires an instrument flight plan, and the plane/pilot to be instrument rated and current.
In a non RVSM plane (literally almost every GA plane) you cannot go 30k my guy. Without pressurized oxygen you cannot go over 25k. You generally want to stay under 20k with oxygen and legally 12k without
You need to show the actual pressurized 210….
…Planes That ARE Easy…”
Can’t insure a IVP
C210 speed 140kts ??🧐
Can I put a plane engine in a car?
...... that are .......
To bad you never showed a P baron
well MojoGrip......; you can do better than this specific video !....... = not enough time for thorough research and/or too hasty ?
bro any chance you would hire a freshly graduated mechatronics engineer for pennies to the dollar? I would love to work with you !
We’re always hiring if you’re close to Winston Salem NC
@@mojogrip just graduated in Mexico City, mexico but would love to go there for sure !
Could you make a video with aircrafts, that fly with Jet-Fuel or Car-Fuel?
Avgas isn't the future.
Really???? And when do you predict Avgas will be going away???
@@eagle2019 Aircrafts on Avgas are on the long run more expansive. And I think somewhere around 2035 the politics will set a deadline. So every aircraft could have to get another motor.
@@simonschafshund6566 Just to confirm, you're saying airplanes that use Avgas are more expensive??? Are you a pilot or aircraft owner???
@@eagle2019 On the long run...
@@simonschafshund6566 Are you a pilot or aircraft owner???
First viewer
Interestin list. Oxygen is extremly important in flight. #salute my gud brotha!!!!!
Pressurised means nothing. I doubt any of these can hold 75kpa safely.
For who???
Mhm. ALHAMDULILLAH(SWT), ASTAGHFIRULLAH(SWT).
The first one minute of this video is the dumbest one minute of my life it’s just not accurate
On point as always! Pretty sure most pilots dream about being able to fly high enough that our current rules no longer apply.
I have to detour around two military bases to get anywhere interesting.