MiniWare MHP30 Hot Plate Review ll Reflow, Rework, Solder or De-solder SMD or THT components
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Hey! i was wondering, what is your view on yihua soldering stations, do you think they are good, or no?
thanks!
@@no_aa08 I have a Yihua 952D+ and it's quite good. Make sure you buy the additional set of tips though. The airflow on the hot air side is a bit weak, at least on mine. I think it could be increased a bit but then that's based on using it for heat shrinking and not exactly it's intended purpose. What I find, and it may very well be the solder I'm using, is that the temperature has to be set quite a bit higher. As I said it could be my solder - not the best stuff - not even close. That's next on the list.
@@richardperritt i jusy bought the 939d+ it seemed like a a good deal, and mine gets up to 990 degrees f so i think it will be okay, thanks tho
I wish Miniware would sell those USB-C to USB-C silicone cables. 👀
The major concern I have with using it to heat a larger board is that uneven heating can easily warp your PCBs if you're not careful.
I’m going to use a aluminum plate between the surface and the board I want to solder, gonna do a test run with just a bare pcb with a thermocouple to dial in the right temp to set the hot plate to, might use some hot air aswell.
"This is what makes desoldering these IC's quite tricky".........not the words I use!!!!
This looks like a great alternative to a full sized hot plate for the small repairs that I want to make. I think the pancake bit is what sold me on it, so thanks for that.
This was really helpful, thanks dude! Also loving the pancake vibes
Thanks for the review, man! It was very useful and helped me decide to get one. I am a hobbyist and it is of great help for disassembling SMD components from old prototypes to reuse them. I have several ESP32 trapped on boards that don't or can't use. Cheers
Nice review. :-) Having bought and constantly using the other 2 quality MiniWare products you mentioned, I am tempted by this mini hot plate. I already have a 100mm hot plate, that I regularly use for rework and quick prototype reflow. But I can see the MHP30 as a great quick-heat addition to the workbench, for individual part rework use. Thanks.
Very interesting. What I think would be a great addition would be adjustable stand-ffs to make using larger boards a lot simpler. No needs to find other objects to use to balance the parts of the board that over hang.
thank you - after your video i'm sold! awesome field tool and great presentation on your part.
It is soooo cute!
Nice lil gimmick for small DIY projects with large groundplates.
Cute little hotplate. This would be perfect for soldering LED emitters in headlight/flashlights
I wanted one of these but I found one 2-3x bigger for $15. I do love the ts80p.
That’s a cool nifty gadget for concentrated PCB surface mount reworks, I think it is just right for the job specially if you are working on CPU Chips and such that will be a really handy tool, I can also imagine working with LED strips specially the surface mounted ones will greatly benefit from it
A set of stand offs of the correct height would be useful.
Great review, looks like a winner ! ...cheers.
Interesting idea, but also very great way to permanently damage your components.
Most components actually can't stand the heat for that long.
For this reason ovens usually stay around 150-200 degrees or so, and quickly ramp up and cool down again (soldering profile)
What I personally would do, is use it on a lower temperature to kind of "boost" the temperature and do the rest with hot air.
Agreed, I prefer my semi-conductors medium rare, not well done ;)
That concept is called "preheating". If you're following your solder paste's reflow curve, you use a hotplate to get through the "preheat/soak" part of the curve and use hot air for the rest.
I'm hoping I'll have some success doing that. I have an absolutely tiny QFN part I'm soldering to a board (2.5mm by 4.5mm with 30 pins - 0.4mm spacing) that has a soldering temperature tolerance of 260C. The solder paste has a melting point of 220C and a recommended peak soldering temperate of 250C. Plan is to get the hot plate up to the 150C - 175C soak temperature, leave it for the 150 seconds, get it to the 250C peak, then turn it off and wait for the solder to solidify a bit and pull the board off the hotplate.
@@Schematix lol
That'll be really handy for me right now, as I need to replace a burnt SMD transistor size SOT89 from my Sega Game Gear power board. I'm doing a full restoration of it. Great video by the way! 👏👏👏
Glad I could help
SOT89 and even that big power chip as shown aren't actually a drama at all, i've done that quite a bit. You can just heat the tab with a normal soldering iron, and the whole chip will get hot enough to lift from all pads simultaneously about as quickly as the solder under the tab gets molten, maybe after just a handful more seconds. Then you can clean up the pads with a braid, and you can even single-pin solder the new device in place. Paste is a nicer way to solder the tab, but even if you just heat one corner of it with an iron and feed solder wire from the other, the solder will wick underneath it evenly no problem if you use flux!
Sure it'll take a bit longer but if you aren't doing them all day every day, the extra time doesn't really justify getting an expensive extra tool that you'll just spend time retrieving when you need it. Either way the main challenge is just manipulating the devices into place, so you must get some sharp tweezers and must become mentally one with your tweezers.
Nice s.all reflow soldering And desoldering system
Thanks for your review. I found it quite interesting, i have a couple of questions for your desoldering and soldering experiments which temperature did you set the hot bed?. Looking forward to get mine
great review!
a wifi or Bluetooth app with a temp curve interface would fit it well.
I dig the low size a lot... it seems to have thermal power and the PD interface is great but an app would be ideal for controlling the interface and perhaps could mnage a heat curve for short temp spikes and then you don't have to fiddle with those A & B buttons that that ain't ideal for something this small while in work and risk of tumbling it..
OMG....the pancakes were great....lol well done...and nice device
Thanks for the video
They should make a small version.
It so amazing your diy
Nice review
Thank you for showing practical examples of how not only desolder, but also solder something with this little one!
But I have one complaint anyway: next time, try to use tweezers instead of screw driver 🙂, because this make desoldering process look quite inaccurate!
Dear Sir,
Nice idea, enjoy it .
i have the DT71 and TS80P, i really want miniware to make a multimeter and a hot air rework station. i cant use the MHP30 because my boards are slightly larger and double sided
Seems like this would be more usable if you made a custom workbench tool that you inset this hot plate into. Include some hold down clamps so boards are not sliding around when you touch them.
Are the pancakes better or worse with flex on them?
Those pancakes look yummy!! LOL!!
A lab jack would work well to support things at the right height.
finding a use for RBG lighting.......welcome to the future people!!!
I know right! :)
Miniware does some nice work. Too bad they discontinued their DS203 'scope. The DS213 is too expensive for what it can do.
I'd love to know if it can boil a 1 cup moka pot...
Looks very interesting. First Time in seeing s gadget.
I'm concerned about the temperature the components, won't they get spoiled?
Components actually have temperature/time ratings in their data sheets, and realize they are assembled in factory by a very similar process.
@@albertogregory9678 hmm makes sense. I usually try to be on the safer side to not over heat my components.
Does the supplied power supply from your link to Amazon (US) work on 240V??
Universal input range, so covers 120 to 240VAC, and as it comes with an Australian and an EU adaptor set yes it will work on 230VAC. Look at 99 seconds in, when the label on it is visible.
I think it should be possible to apply a "thermal curve" for reflowing IC's, to avoid that nasty bubbling phenomena you underlined... Yes maibe it was due to moist, but it may also happen for heat applied for too much time!
this would be great for 30CAD, but for the 120CAD, I just rather make my own 400w plate that's also way bigger etc. (not too big tho, like 120cmx70cm?) you can easily make it bigger with an aluminium plate as it has plenty of power. I'm just waiting for the parts to arrive :)
I have needed one of these way too many times. Oh and what is your Amazon affiliate link so I can bookmark it for my nonstop Amazon buying?
You are to kind! Thanks for your support! My amazon affiliate link: amzn.to/35BGaDY
7:29 ElectroBOOM proud
Hilarious re pancakes 😂 I've got one of these but just finding it too small for the board I'm building so have opted for a bigger 100x100 hotplate.
i hope it is a hot air. i mean we like a portable one. a mini. it will be better if somehow in the future someone will release a large hotplate for that one
But can it run Crysis
The size is mini, but the price is not. Why should it cost $100? Isn't it not much different from an upside-down laundry iron, which I could buy for like $15?
Why use a mechanical calliper?
Larger plates are better for rework. Easier to thermally regulate. You normally bring pcb up to a temperature just before reflow and then use a hot air rework gun to reflow and remove/replace the part in question. This seems a bit of a comical product compared with MiniWares other offerings. It may be a problem tool for the majority of the market most likely to buy it.
That was exactly my thought.
Heating components up this way will probably risking damaging them.
@@p_mouse8676 It's use for micro pancakes seems enticing though. Odd seeing all the nice design miniware are known for in a dumb concept.Certainly has semi-original features. OLED, RGBLED, ceramic surface, detachable plate. I'd of purchased it, if it was 150-180mm square plate.
Also strikes me as risky having something that small with a large board on it: uneven heat distribution must risk warping the board, ignoring the obvious risk of something toppling over while moving components about and the possibility of blowing it over if you use in in conjunction with hot air! Does look cool though - maybe ideal for reflowing SMD to DIP adapter boards, if you can't be bothered getting your full-sized hotplate out, that costs less. A bit too niche for me.
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Can it boil a cup of coffee to go along with those pancakes :)
Doesn't that cook components beyond their temp ratings and kill them?
Yes, if you're not careful & aware of specific component temperature's limits
Actually almost less of an opportunity of destructive soldering than hot air if not experienced. You do have to set it only as hot as you have to and operate as swiftly as you can - and please don't try to solder with a screwdriver, or i will be gravely offended and you probably won't be too happy either. But 300°C setting is about adequate
In fact i think most of this video is best seen as a how-not-to. You want to bake your PCBs at a safe temperature below 100°C for a while to drive off the moisture, you want to braid off the solder that's already on the pads before you add some paste solder, and no-no screwdrivers with magnetic tips or magnetic bit retention near high heat. Sharp cheap 7sa tweezers are amazing at manipulating components swimming in molten solder, though they are a bit consumable.
Hi, I am currently in the PLTW course and we are supposed to make a full on functioning product. Our idea was accepted by a couple of real engineers, but our biggest problem is actually making it because me and my partner know nearly nothing about designing circuit boards or even the basics of electric circuits. Programming is another problem of it. Our budget is $250: $50 for the prototype and $200 for the final working product. If you aren’t able to help, what sources would you recommend for us to use to be able learn and eventually use to make a proper schematic. If we are able to create a schematic, then we should be able to continue from there on without any problems.
You're bit too early with April first jokes
"Near mint" 😂😂
Get yerself a varity of small plungers for pulling and handling parts..
Near mint...
the board spit out the caps lol
It cooked the pancakes quite well. The blueberry you put on top, however, is a crime against humanity.
It costs inadequate money, the controls are inconvenient. I have never used mine; it broke during storage. Correspondence showed that the manufacturer is not interested in these problems. There is some small guarantee that requires documents, and nothing can be decided outside of it. It is impossible to buy a heating pad separately; It’s unclear why they made him replaceable.
Nice review, thank you for the video. I saw this on Amazon but wanted a bit more information on it. Although it is a nice tool to have esp if you do smd rework on miniature circuit board. The only beef I have with this product is the price. Don't get me wrong because I don't mind shelling out good dollar for quality product but the heat up time for it to reach 300C in 2 minutes is just not acceptable for the the money they're asking for. The Hakko FX888 compact soldering station is the same price as this hot plate. I would rather just get that and buy a blade tip for it and use it as a hot plate. It heats within seconds not minutes. It is a good product but just wayyyy over priced for what it is. Like JBC is expensive but you do get what you pay for. It can reach 0-300C in 2 seconds.
If you strap a metal block onto Hakko FX-888 it's gonna be equally slow.
@@momoware Well at least at the price it comes with a great soldering iron with it. I don't mind the waiting time at all because it's not like we use the hot plate all the time. Only a certain that we ever use it. So that's fine with me.
Is it just me or is it not quite level?
The video is fine, but the product is a big "nah" - 8/10 Juicero points for practicality vs cost.
Not much heat capacity for a steady temp margin - which is critical for delicate PCBs (might be regulating tight enough).
And too small for usage flexibility.
I'm sticking with my modified upside-down clothes iron 😉
Which also has a *real* non-stick coating and only cost around 10$. No RGB though..
If it weren't for the pancakes tho.. 🥺 I would've maybe give it a pass, bu now.. how could I 😐
Who else thought this was a tiny 3D printer?
The miniware 0.93" oLEDs in their products are the worst. I've never had one last. They either go so dim that you can't read them, or they get burnt in, on an unreasonably short period of time.
If you review a product, why not mention the price? For this product it is 110 USD + 40 USD shipping to my place.
Amazon takes away your affiliate privileges if you talk about the price.
I hope your pancakes are lead-free
8:40 But what about Ribeye??? :O that's the real question. Does it seer well? heat consistently through out the cut or do you end up with cold spots... will they come out with a wok version incase I feel like making Thai or Chinese food? these are the questions amon. forget all the techno stuff. hahahahaha
$120 is pricey
1:46 Ugly standartized american plug ...
3:15 And the plate seems to be mounted not horizontally. No German production ;)
Dude, get a regular tweezers, it's a 21 goddamn century.
You can thank me later.
"probably sponsored" by jlc pcb 😂
4:00 holy shit poking components with a screwdriver like that is barbaric and a torture to watch! Get some 7sa tweezers, about $1.20 from China, or correspondingly more from a local electronics supplier.
Too small and too expensive, pointless product.