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  • @Merit_Liege
    @Merit_Liege 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +41

    Very thorough, but needed
    You are the best content creator for deck brewing!♥️

  • @EdgarB.Wilson
    @EdgarB.Wilson 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +50

    watching trough the old limited videos a lot at the moment (along the new ones) and am enjoying it a lot. Now i wonder why there are no more drafts nor streams. the draft guide helped me with my own draft, so thanks. Really one of the few magic content creators i have a good time watching, like that man is mad good at the game. srsly, incredible imo. that watching the same combo folding out is not the most interesting to me might be the only wehmutstropfen. Thanks for the entertainment and the good show.

    • @c.jhamblin5759
      @c.jhamblin5759 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      LVD stopped making them because they don't do as well in terms of video performance, unfortunately. He still makes the occasional bit of limited content every now and then though so keep a look out!

    • @StrawMan1235
      @StrawMan1235 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      He still does limited on twitch but he no longer posts the videos on youtube.

  • @genyrik35
    @genyrik35 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +65

    its a little thing, but i like that you mention playing the thoracle first to save opponent some time. i was wondering why you did that game 1, good idea for others who craft this deck

    • @alexanderficken9354
      @alexanderficken9354 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      its also best to thoracle first in the case that the opponent can successfully counter the tainted pact and you dont lose the next turn

    • @Peronioz
      @Peronioz 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@alexanderficken9354 But if you're casting Thoracle the likelyhood of casting Pact after is 99%, so they might aswel just hold the counterspell for it.

    • @AMageOldAsDirt
      @AMageOldAsDirt 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

      @@Peronioz countering tainted pack after you've played thoracle isn't an instant loss. Countering Thoracle after you've resolved tainted pack is an immediate loss

    • @alexanderficken9354
      @alexanderficken9354 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Peronioz yeah the mage as old as dirt said it right if you remove your library first, then get thoracle countered, then you have an empty library and no way to win

    • @fry7486
      @fry7486 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      You dont really cast it first to same time, the main reason you cast it first is because its the correct play

  • @caljam82
    @caljam82 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +33

    Glad to see such a powerful format finally on arena!

  • @seantao4714
    @seantao4714 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Awesome vid! Would love to see more of this

  • @florianinhoffen9212
    @florianinhoffen9212 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

    I love that you never care for any card style, the Yargle Opt tho, always on deck

    • @LegenVD
      @LegenVD  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

      It doesn’t wiggle around unlike most other card styles, so it’s not a problem during editing.

    • @deenmohammad385
      @deenmohammad385 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@LegenVDwhy is the art moving around problematic for editing?

    • @syferpolski4344
      @syferpolski4344 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@deenmohammad385 When you cut different takes together, and an animation jumps, viewers notice

  • @nitiratp
    @nitiratp 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Great video, as always!

  • @Fullmetal85
    @Fullmetal85 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    A man after my own heart with that bossa nova surprise in match 6. 😊
    As always great deck from the master of mtg.

  • @paulm2163
    @paulm2163 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I got to mythic from diamond 3 with this deck pretty quickly but when I got to mythic I started to falter against some of the red based aggressive decks. I actually found surprisingly that shaving the red has helped in a lot of ways even though I still have some red producing lands for Mire to have a blue option. Just using more one CMC black spot removal for things like Ragavan and Bowmasters. Plus adding bow masters is just another random wincon versus some decks with the hard control elements of the deck.

  • @SkirkCommander
    @SkirkCommander 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I like sultai pact it has a lot more options for an alternate win condition and can easily slow down your opponents for a more midrange game plan and still be able to find the combo

    • @moxpontifex
      @moxpontifex 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Green also has Veil of Summer which is not nothing in this format.

  • @shepherdsgamingrun
    @shepherdsgamingrun 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I played a subpar version (blue-black only, no Cruise or DTT, only one Pact and Oracle, Lutri as companion) of the deck, and that is still pretty good. I think Pact Oracle pretty much locks the combo side of the trifecta for Timeless.

  • @skipper7152
    @skipper7152 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    They should add the option to resolve infinites, like you should be able to win with oracle and pact on the stack if there is no interaction. Might not be easy to implement, but would be really nice.

    • @JohnSmith-uc9ge
      @JohnSmith-uc9ge 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      They could also implement a way to reveal a card in your had to the opponent though it’s not legal it would only hurt you if it was revealed to soon and would be a courteous way to show the opponent your win and they wouldn’t have to create infinites for every specific interaction then the opponent could conceded if they so chose

    • @thomasburris5936
      @thomasburris5936 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Technically, it's not a loop so it wouldn't really help in this case due to how Tainted Pact. Obviously, in paper you can say I exile my entire deck and take the bottom card, but there is no real way for the game to know you aren't looking for a counterspell or something. The best thing they could do here is simply speed up the animation so you can click through it faster.

    • @BuddyIsGarbage
      @BuddyIsGarbage 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@JohnSmith-uc9ge actually it is not an illegal action to show whatever card you want to your opponents. so revealing it could be implemented without breaking any rules

    • @GuidoMigliorini
      @GuidoMigliorini 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I think on MTGO you can choose the exile action, remember it and auto-yield (which is something you can do for most effects) to exile all deck, then simply resolve thoracle trigger. Not 100% sure for tainted pact tho, rarely see it in legacy/vintage. So yeah, they'd need this system on arena afaik (which would help a lot also with loops)

    • @williamdrum9899
      @williamdrum9899 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      This is one of those unsolvable problems in computer science, so unfortunately there is no way to program that

  • @Finnigan28
    @Finnigan28 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    That bossa nova was very appreciated at the end of match 6

  • @admiralcasperr
    @admiralcasperr 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    With the addition of Ghostfire Blade to pioneer, I'd love to see a deck with that card.

  • @thefreshproduce
    @thefreshproduce 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I have been playing pact as well in Timeless super niceee

  • @joserodrigorivera5869
    @joserodrigorivera5869 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +191

    Faced this yesterday and made me instantly quit the format

    • @z3dg3r16
      @z3dg3r16 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +44

      Played against this yesterday, they miscounted their mana and lost on draw 😂

    • @A_z_r_a_e_l_
      @A_z_r_a_e_l_ 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Yep played a similar one but they used Jace instead.

    • @lightfz
      @lightfz 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

      I mean, it is vintage for you. Counterspell battle and insanely quick way to win. It is what it is... 😅

    • @Grimlock1979
      @Grimlock1979 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      How exciting is playing a game that is done within 2 minutes?

    • @-Karnage
      @-Karnage 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      Play Bo3. Problem solved.

  • @OrbGoblin
    @OrbGoblin 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Yes plz make more timeless decks!

  • @CinemicMagazin
    @CinemicMagazin 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Always great to listen a Tainted Pact bossa nova 😂

  • @georgewow42
    @georgewow42 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I don't get how to pilot the deck when I miss the pieces what are the priorities?

  • @raynegro666
    @raynegro666 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    They really need to speed up the tainted pact exile animations

    • @connorpalmer6454
      @connorpalmer6454 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You have to choose each card, as even naming a card doesn't exactly work. If you're pact-ing for pact of negation for instance, maybe you only want the last copy and not one of the first three that you run into. That way you thin your deck even more. It's just not a very online compatible card in general

    • @raynegro666
      @raynegro666 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@connorpalmer6454 I get that, I mean the little animation of each card being flung into exile, it takes like 3 seconds per card, it should be instantaneous

  • @Somane27
    @Somane27 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I'm playing a Sultai version that feels more like a collection of banned cards.

  • @knife1406
    @knife1406 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    the music at 39min reminds me of my first vid I saw of yours, which was the klark klan combo vid. Whats funny is I almost bought that deck after watching that vid then it got banned out not too long after.

  • @lava2istrue
    @lava2istrue 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Oh, I was expecting the solution to be “Beseech the mirror for channel into shenanigans”. But this works too.

  • @michaelgrandchamp1067
    @michaelgrandchamp1067 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The perfect elevator music for match 6!

  • @francescotrivella9243
    @francescotrivella9243 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    as much as I loathe thoracle, your videos are always a pleasure to watch

  • @nintandem2119
    @nintandem2119 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    That's a pretty good vintage cube deck

  • @emorsi
    @emorsi 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    It is so hard to stop that combo... I do not have a deck for that. Tale's End could counter the trigger I guess but the Pact of Negation is a problem again. I just had to laugh at the moment the music was setting in while you looked for the combo.

    • @cuttlefish6839
      @cuttlefish6839 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Force them to draw a card after they resolve tainted pact and before oracle resolves its really funny unless they do the smart thing and leave 2 cards at the top then they lose to a removal spell. Also you can use stifle at 1 mana on oracle. Or play tashas hideous laughter and try to rng them

  • @thcdreams654
    @thcdreams654 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks for the awesome content. Wonder what you have in store for this whacky format.

  • @i3bel
    @i3bel 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Why can't I use instants before activating abilities in MTGA?

  • @joelstephenson
    @joelstephenson 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks. I was thinking of building this deck. Now I don't have too

  • @maxtrevor9910
    @maxtrevor9910 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Ive been playing a very similar list. Two cards I think youre missing:
    Orcish Bowmasters is too strong not to play
    Cavern of Souls can make your oracle uncounterable, which has come up a lot

    • @LegenVD
      @LegenVD  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yeah, was practicing for an event where LotR cards weren't allowed so forgot to add Bowmasters back in. Can easily replace Dark Ritual, which didn't seem all that useful. Cavern is an interesting addition for sure!

  • @michaelsander2878
    @michaelsander2878 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I'll give this one a try since I have all of the cards for it already (I was playing pact before it got banned in historic and I've gotten most of the fetches already). But to comment on the alchemy stuff. I've been playing this format a bunch and there are some red alchemy based decks out there. I've been playing grixis delver with 2 rusko and 1 oracle of the alpha because they are pet cards from historicbrawl. DO NOT SLEEP ON ORACLE OF THE ALPHA!

    • @michaelsander2878
      @michaelsander2878 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      After watching the video I might not play this deck. I forgot how AWFUL it is to play combos like this on Arena. There should be a repeat until option for this card specificly.

    • @Thelegoterrapin
      @Thelegoterrapin 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I know (Reddit at least) people hate on alchemy cards, but I love conjuring/drafting cards so much

    • @michaelsander2878
      @michaelsander2878 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ThelegoterrapinThe only thing I hate about alchemy is the digital errata of paper cards. The one ring and orcish bowmasters are great examples of cards that should never be changed in digital formats. Just ban them and print cards that are similar with different names. But instead wotc has fired 1100 (or 20%) of their employees.

  • @MirrorAshes
    @MirrorAshes 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Deck is easy on the wildcards if you already have a bunch of singles from brawl, very nice

  • @deiphos4706
    @deiphos4706 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    15:13 The end of the first match sure was a bitter triumph 🤭

  • @orangenes1161
    @orangenes1161 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I would add laelia and Jace even though they don't work with Lurrus. They both also combo with tainted pact and might increase combo consistency.

    • @LegenVD
      @LegenVD  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Those were indeed some of the considerations. They could make for an interesting sideboard strategy as well.

    • @shepherdsgamingrun
      @shepherdsgamingrun 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@LegenVD Fae of Wishes is an expensive option for grabbing a stowed-away copy of Tainted Pact.
      I do suspect that there may be "name a card" hate for Pact and Oracle, so the Jace as an extra plan is an option.

  • @JulioDRai
    @JulioDRai 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Any idea if they plan to add the rest of the fetchlands any time soon? the ones we got dont really help my Yawgmoth deck sadly.

    • @LegenVD
      @LegenVD  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      We don't know, but wouldn't expect them any time soon.

  • @mmamaverick35
    @mmamaverick35 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Yassss

  • @demiurge2501
    @demiurge2501 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    If I’m in jund colors what do I side in to beat this deck? The stone brain?

    • @LegenVD
      @LegenVD  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Those types of effects can work unless the deck comes prepared with an alternative win condition.
      Your best bet is still early pressure backed up by interaction, whether it's counterspells or in your case discard.

    • @demiurge2501
      @demiurge2501 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@LegenVD awesome! Appreciate the reply

  • @nickhem12
    @nickhem12 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    So is this like the go to deck if you want to try out timeless cause you get to try all these different cards in one place???

  • @tsulkalu4589
    @tsulkalu4589 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    im confused, this Khans of Tharkir set is only playable in timeless mode?

  • @madisonking8057
    @madisonking8057 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Have you been doing the editing or have you outsourced, the quality has gotten amazing lately.

    • @LegenVD
      @LegenVD  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

      Still me 🤗

    • @-Karnage
      @-Karnage 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@LegenVD Keep up the amazing work. You're the best.

  • @CyberBuster93
    @CyberBuster93 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Ahhhhh Magic the way Richard Garfield intented! LOL xD

  • @ScottyZee33
    @ScottyZee33 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    And the award for Best Use of Elevator Music on a TH-cam video goes to.....

  • @DoomSpellSkadi
    @DoomSpellSkadi 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Will Thassa's Oracle and Tainted Pact being restricted in "Arena Vintage"?

  • @Zauzzie
    @Zauzzie 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    No Xander's Lounge? Seems amazing with fetches for fixing. What do you think about Sauron's ransom? Its a very good draw spell.

    • @LegenVD
      @LegenVD  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Considered Lounge, didn't really want the extra tapped land and it's not like our mana requirements are all that crazy.
      Would be a different story in a Domain deck. Ransom is a little better in control vs combo as some cards will be much more valuable.

    • @Zauzzie
      @Zauzzie 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Ah, gotcha, I added it to the deck and search it out most games, its great late game too since its a redraw. I was having some issues with some of the aggro decks so I added a Ritual of soot and its helped out. So far 10-3 with the deck, really enjoying it. Lutri could be pretty good in the deck too, you can turn 5 end of turn Pact, double it, get Orical then win on next turn. Lutri is almost a 3rd Orical is you squint.
      It would also let you double draw spells and removal.
      @@LegenVD

  • @jonjones1569
    @jonjones1569 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What's the name of the Bossa Nova tune that starts at 39:20? 😂😂😂👌

    • @LegenVD
      @LegenVD  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It's from the TH-cam audio library, can't quite remember the name.
      If you search for "elevator music" it should appear in the results.

    • @jonjones1569
      @jonjones1569 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@LegenVD I couldn't find it, but appreciate the reply anyway 👍🏾

  • @elbraguetabierta
    @elbraguetabierta 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Yoooo , this looks extremely unfun for both parties, very nice !!

  • @jinxsiemcdeath6250
    @jinxsiemcdeath6250 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wotc: "Don't worry, we'll just restrict the prob... oh." *reaches for a certain hammer that wasn't meant to ever be used for Timeless*

  • @SporePunch
    @SporePunch 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I really wish Arena would make things like Tainted Pact less annoying and time consuming to resolve. I don't know how they could do it but anything to speed things along would be great.

  • @AesirOdinn
    @AesirOdinn 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I would love if you play a Deck with Vorpal Sword

    • @LegenVD
      @LegenVD  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I did a while back!
      th-cam.com/video/AwYlQeVoXng/w-d-xo.html

  • @pennyd.3651
    @pennyd.3651 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I played like 7 games in this format and every single match was just mono-green ramp 😢

    • @clon1122
      @clon1122 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Just play a turn 2-3 combo to win against them 😂

    • @pennyd.3651
      @pennyd.3651 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @clon1122 Literally so easy, I just wanted to see some crazy combos or decks but everyone had other plans I guess 🤣

  • @nicolasvelasquez6521
    @nicolasvelasquez6521 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    So... cEDH on Arena... more thoracle + tainted pact. if we needed more of that *thing* on the game

  • @BlankeeStarcraft
    @BlankeeStarcraft 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Funnily enough, the best way to counter this deck is to just let you exile your entire library and then force you to draw a card.

  • @robnotwicz7002
    @robnotwicz7002 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I hate it already! Well done.

  • @manbagan
    @manbagan 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Are you still drafting?

  • @teslabulls1238
    @teslabulls1238 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    People are looking for this deck already so it's not easy to get this combo off.

  • @joemariani115
    @joemariani115 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I missed something. Why does everything need to be singleton?

    • @LegenVD
      @LegenVD  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Tainted Pact basically requires it or else it risks exiling the same card twice.

  • @akionquazson6040
    @akionquazson6040 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'm surprised that this list doesn't include Bowmasters. It's basically the most powerful creature in the format.

    • @harrisonodonnell5646
      @harrisonodonnell5646 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      i mean while bowmasters is great. its not really needed. the whole point is control fetch. creatures aren't needed

  • @eunomiac
    @eunomiac 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Flooded Strand?! When did the cracklands get added?

    • @honestabe411
      @honestabe411 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Yesterday

    • @sosukelele
      @sosukelele 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Khans of Tarkir released on Arena on the 12th of December

    • @markus81216
      @markus81216 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Be careful, they are banned in historic and Explorer!

  • @Rare_Coil
    @Rare_Coil 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I guess it's not very relevant but in the description you said Grim Tutor instead of Demonic Tutor, thought you'd like to know this, good video as always!

    • @LegenVD
      @LegenVD  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Fixed!

  • @Zii_Vii
    @Zii_Vii 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Format solved? Eh ... I think it's way too early for such statements. I mean, combo decks in the meta are important to have and while we done have FoW I dont think that means the format is just stone dead to 1 good combo deck. I think theres still room for a lot of fun in the format. I'm excited to see what shakes out as we've never had access to a super high powered format with the arena only cards.
    Idk I could be wrong I guess.

    • @JulioDRai
      @JulioDRai 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Problem is this is probably the most consistent combo deck this format will have for now AND its in blue which means good luck stopping it if you dont also play blue or are playing a deck specifically meant to counter it which just makes Thoracle warp the format around it. Any deck or card that warps the format completely around it is bad for the health of the game no matter what the name of the card is, if Channel wasnt banned that would be the best "combo" but wizzards was smart enough to put a stop to that one day one and hopefully they do something about Thoracle soon so we dont have a single deck defining the format.

  • @ClocksTickin
    @ClocksTickin 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Nothing makes me lose interest in playing a game faster than Thoracle combos

  • @TheHarmpo
    @TheHarmpo 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Making Timeless an even funnier name for the format 😂

    • @PioneerAtHome
      @PioneerAtHome 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The format definitely isn't solved

    • @TheHarmpo
      @TheHarmpo 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@PioneerAtHome Obviously, and it's unlikely it ever will be. Just playing into the joke 💚

  • @zekelockman1477
    @zekelockman1477 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    i took a dimir tainted pact list to a 4-0 in MWM, seems cracked especially since everyone's just playing explorer lite and not actual Timeless decks in the queue currently

    • @AllstateManlove
      @AllstateManlove 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Wildcards are hard to come by for non limited grinders (or extremely unlucky ones like me, lol)

  • @urgoingtojail3892
    @urgoingtojail3892 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    No space for lorien revealed? Basically another fetch effect for brainstorm. Fills the grave for delve. Finds a land when needed. And worst case draw 3. Although it is versatile it isn't particularly powerful tho ig.

  • @Bl4ckDr4co
    @Bl4ckDr4co 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I think the Dimir version of this deck is just more consistent. Adding red feels really superfluous and doesn't really add to the effectiveness.

    • @LegenVD
      @LegenVD  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Problem is there aren't any more good lands in just blue/black.
      So the extra color is not an extra cost like it would normally be.

  • @elahem6940
    @elahem6940 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    60 card CEDH? seems good

  • @rossbalch
    @rossbalch 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Literally nothing I've seen so far has made me want to play this format. It's cool it exists but it's definitely not for me.

  • @zachoryfostor7368
    @zachoryfostor7368 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    That's why I use bounce spells yo

    • @LegenVD
      @LegenVD  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Bouncing the Oracle doesn't stop the trigger.

  • @ilyafoskin
    @ilyafoskin 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    I think they saw the popularity of that no ban historic event they ran on Arena and got the wrong idea that people will always want to play with all the banned cards. It was the novelty of the experience that made people want to play that event but it’s not something a sustained format can be based on given those cards had to be banned to ensure the survival of the formats they were problems in

    • @StrawMan1235
      @StrawMan1235 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The no ban historic was a test run for this format. It was to see if this was a viable format.

    • @dreamwalking
      @dreamwalking 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      It wasn't novelty, Demonic Tutor is one of my favorite cards and I want to be able to play with it when I don't have any IRL friends around. Unfortunately, they restricted it. And we don't have Sinkhole or Hymn to Tourach. But at least there's Dark Ritual.
      The one mistake they did make is not recognizing the popularity was also largely due to it being freeplay. They really need to just charge us a monthly subscription and we get access to all the cards at this point, it would be infinitely better than the predatory monetization they've been doing for so long now.

    • @greven_04
      @greven_04 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@dreamwalkingI'm looking forward and really hoping for hymn and sinkhole. I really miss my necropotence control deck from way back. Probs I dunno if mirror universe and contagion are still viable if ever introduced to arena.

    • @JulioDRai
      @JulioDRai 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@dreamwalking so your solution is to kill f2p? might as well go play mtgo instead if thats what you want.
      I agree its probably the most expensive format in arena tho, I still dont understand how anyone can defend mana fixing like fetches be at rare instead of uncommon it always feels horrible to have to waste wild cards JUST so your deck doesnt inta lose against whales due to inconsistency.

    • @yeen4204
      @yeen4204 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      the first event was definitely novelty and the format wasn’t sustainable w four-of channel and dt, but the second no ban list event (which was clearly a test run for timeless) was a GREAT time. I played hundreds of games and spent a lot of time brewing for it and and the response to the event was very positive. my only complaint with the second event is that the lack of a real meta made brewing harder . . . which has now been traded off for my lack of wildcards lol

  • @mantidream8179
    @mantidream8179 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This format is going to be a warzone...

  • @tripleS88
    @tripleS88 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Cool combo. Sadly does really show that Timeless has already achieved a meta. Sorry if I’m being slow, but what is the point of Lurrus here? Doesn’t seem needed for combo and doesn’t have any interaction with alternative wincon? Seems like it just advertises the possible combo once someone sees there is no creatures coming…

    • @yeen4204
      @yeen4204 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      tainted pact combo plays a ton of cards that are unique to that deck (especially in the mana base)so the surprise factor is practically nonexistent already. no reason not to play the free lurrus

  • @the-four-seven
    @the-four-seven 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Ugh, Thoracle. A shining example of bad card design. If I had it my way, I'd ban it in every format.

  • @kinnedr
    @kinnedr 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wow... never going to play this format...

  • @samhalsey2155
    @samhalsey2155 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    If you are worried about Blood Moon effects, you could include a snow-covered island and swamp to ensure you don't get screwed needing double blue for an Oracle.

    • @LegenVD
      @LegenVD  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      They’re already in the deck.

  • @MrJoberg
    @MrJoberg 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    No bowmasters in a Lurrus deck?

    • @LegenVD
      @LegenVD  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      See other comments about it.

  • @cerilious
    @cerilious 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Thassa's Oracle is an unfortunate card IMO

    • @DarkAvenger1234
      @DarkAvenger1234 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Be nice if they banned it, and ban it from commander.

    • @chicco5033
      @chicco5033 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thassa's Oracle isn't the problem, Demonic consultation and tainted pact are.

  • @TheRealSAFN
    @TheRealSAFN 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Well at least yall can login. The game keeps giving me and others Error so just waiting on a fix.

  • @Legov7
    @Legov7 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I do somewhat understand not surrendering, even if you see Oracle and Pact both on the stack. As the enemy loosing to it you only have to wait once. But the player piloting Thoracle has to go through the motions every game the opponent doesn't surrender. So like a small punishment for playing this deck. Neat!

    • @kaerustation
      @kaerustation 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      but you are also losing your time so....

    • @Legov7
      @Legov7 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@kaerustation Oh, of course. Thats the reason you would surrender in the first place. But you don't lose time every game and you can tab out to watch a video while the combo player actually has to click the whole time.

  • @marcusolsen96
    @marcusolsen96 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Kul liv… 🫠

  • @pearcehubbart3767
    @pearcehubbart3767 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I prefer just gambling for a turn two win with necropotence.

  • @oogaboek5659
    @oogaboek5659 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Why no bowmasters?

    • @LegenVD
      @LegenVD  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Can certainly make room for it by cutting Dark Ritual. We're not going to win with damage, so would mainly serve as removal for one toughness creatures. Still good, but not as amazing as it can be in other decks.

  • @Draqson
    @Draqson 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Oh its an alchemy format... that certainly solves it for me.

  • @SirGrimLockSmithVIII
    @SirGrimLockSmithVIII 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    They took the time to make this format but not a Historic variant that excludes alchemy cards :/

    • @MasterCrvo
      @MasterCrvo 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ...RIGHT!?

    • @kharnthebetrayer1575
      @kharnthebetrayer1575 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I stopped playing historic because of alchemy cards .

    • @MasterCrvo
      @MasterCrvo 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@kharnthebetrayer1575 I played timeless most of the day yesterday using a u/w remand-tribal/mana tithe deck in ranked Bo1, and I only saw one alchemy card all day. I'd definitely prefer if Alchemy wasn't part of the format, but at least the cards aren't ruining it yet.

    • @AzureAiluren
      @AzureAiluren 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Whining about alchemy cards when you see the stupid shit happening on screen in this video really just doesn't jive with me.

    • @wernerbeinhart2320
      @wernerbeinhart2320 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@AzureAiluren Why? This isn't historic and OP was complaining about alchemy cards in historic

  • @livedandletdie
    @livedandletdie 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You: Thassa's Oracle...
    Me: Stifle.

    • @kallit7279
      @kallit7279 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Which Deck plays Stifle?

    • @MegaCoomans
      @MegaCoomans 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@kallit7279his

    • @sosukelele
      @sosukelele 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@kallit7279those piloted by people traumatized by thoracle

    • @Deathangel1919
      @Deathangel1919 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Lotus field variants. Stifle is excellent in fetchland formats since it's effectively 1 mana land destruction. Any Eternal format usually has an "oops all stifles" decklist

  • @pauljimerson8218
    @pauljimerson8218 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I can win the game next turn...I don't hate it

  • @omerpockard7212
    @omerpockard7212 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    There are plenty of lands you can use instead of red lands, even just off color Pathways. The sideboard red cards really aren't worth it.
    I don't see how you'd ever get to 8 lands for FotD.
    Lonely Sandbar, Captivating/Forsaken Crossroads, and Gate to Seatower should probably be in this deck, but excluding Mind Spike is just wrong.

    • @LegenVD
      @LegenVD  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      FotD triggers with 7 lands already.

  • @DanyF02
    @DanyF02 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Nice elevator music

  • @damienbotts7981
    @damienbotts7981 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    If they would take out the digital only cards I would play but here we are. Cool deck though hope you enjoy this new format.

  • @markuslem9937
    @markuslem9937 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    That last card Bitter Triumph into enemy concession in Game 1 was hilarious

    • @honestabe411
      @honestabe411 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Didn’t concede

  • @TarrenHassman
    @TarrenHassman 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Solved? You don't even have scheming symmetry 🧐

    • @LegenVD
      @LegenVD  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I can see the appeal, but it's got some serious drawbacks.

    • @TarrenHassman
      @TarrenHassman 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@LegenVD Best in super combo variants with a critical mass of can trips, or control decks with things like memory lapse, founding of the third path, and Jace

  • @MrMuzculz
    @MrMuzculz 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    idk how anyone can enjoy these formats

    • @markus81216
      @markus81216 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Imo playing broken stuff against each other is alot of fun

  • @gamingalthepal
    @gamingalthepal 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I hate that thoracle doesn’t get stopped by removal. It makes me hope that one of the cards get banned in commander

  • @soybomb777
    @soybomb777 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    Never going to play a format thats whole appeal is to be as broken as possible, but I'll watch LVD play it

    • @sosukelele
      @sosukelele 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      A small part of me enjoys seeing magic decks so broken that it looks like a different card game

  • @johndoe9343
    @johndoe9343 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    First you play against a player named 800020, then against one named 398? wtf lol

  • @user-uz3xk3gg2y
    @user-uz3xk3gg2y 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    🤣match 6

  • @mouthymouth
    @mouthymouth 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Is this really what ol Dick Garfield really had in mind? This format is absurd

  • @jorgamund07
    @jorgamund07 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    They finally give us a playset-limiting Restricted list... and it's not on Standard, or a Standard clone format.
    I swear there's someone in WotC intercepting every idea that could address balance complaints, and rewriting them before it hits everyone's inbox.

    • @honestabe411
      @honestabe411 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Can’t make people chase a 4 of if they can only play 1 of

    • @jorgamund07
      @jorgamund07 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@honestabe411 True, but the market on Arena is different; wildcards make it a straightforward, known number line.
      I highly doubt Timeless is pushing any more pack sales. They could've made a Standard+Restricted format virtually for free, since they're doing all the hard work of maintaining Standard already.
      (I said the same thing when Alchemy came out, but that turned into another pack-pushing excuse.)

  • @Avinaar
    @Avinaar 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    a format with digital only cards is always a hard pass for me

  • @gardnereric10
    @gardnereric10 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I guess this counts as magic. It's funny that a format of broken cards takes longer to play than standard.

    • @Cadian9t
      @Cadian9t 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      The duality of some magic players thinking timeless takes too long vs “ games are over in 2 minutes “