The Gambler's Chest Expansion comes with armor set miniatures which are less customizability than the older ones, but they still allow for multiple poses and weapon options. You can make an argument for standees without outright misrepresenting what's in the box, I think.
Outright misrepresenting? Strong words. The original goal and dream of each model being customizable has changed - that’s the claim we made. You can’t do that anymore.
@@Quackalope I said what I said. This whole video is full of nonsense, but it's subjective nonsense. Ignoring the armor kit miniatures that are still in the GCE to make some dumb point about the narrative minis is misrepresenting.
@@Quackalope In fact, at 8:12 you say "They're not doing the customizable models any more". You completely disregard the armor kits in the Gambler's Chest, which is what got me writing my original comment. If you do not want push back then please be more accurate with your statements. Earlier Shira said that you are "stuck" with 2 male and 2 female survivors, which is only true if you don't build any of the 32 other survivor kits in just the core box. This whole video is a bad sales pitch full of outright misrepresentations and poor arguments for a product you're not even making.
I don't want models to go away. Narrative sculpts are sick af but I cannot agree more that acrylics coming with them for the art is brilliant. And we usually sit 2 players per side of the table so we will always be at the perfect viewing angle.
Not sure how the viewing angle would be perfect always. At some point the skinny side of the standee would be facing you since facing of the monsters change direction and big part of game
@@TabletopFamily that's easy you set the base of the model to have arrow or something denoting facing at roughly a 45degree angle from the flat image so you'll always be able to see from any of the cardinal directions.
Uh sure?? It's not a 3d hologram so yes you'd be looking at it at an angle. You would always be able to see the art and never looking at it down it's flat edge.
problem is your also removing the hobby and painting aspects of the game which is really the main draw for most people or at least for everyone ive talked to who've played the game
@@Quackalope i get where your coming from but can this addition really be justified long term i get the appeal for core but when you also take into account expansions it just seems like waste of recourses now if we had a smaller scale game set in the same world as kingdom death with a smaller but similar but still unique game style and that game just so happened to use acrylic stands instead of miniatures then i would be more agreeable
Shipping with acrylic minis won't turn off players who already have it. this addition is just strictly to bring new players who don't have the time or interest in building and painting minis. It's just making it more accessible to a broader audience.
I agree. More games need to go acrylic. Uprising is one of my top 5 games and the price to content, to look and feel are part of that I want vagrant song half for the look of it and would buy Townsfolk Tussle if they did a acrylic version because I like the art WAYYY more than the 3D models
Also if Poots read this: Translate the game to Spanish, tons of new customers in Mexico, Latin America, and Spain are willing to pay astronomical prices in board games. Even if you only translate the Simulator. I can help with the translation.
quizas el simulador funcione en español, de ahi traducir todo el juego lo dudo, por su costo muy dificilmente se venderia en latinoamerica, por ejempli aca en Ecuador estoy un 97% seguro de que soy el unico que lo tiene, y cuando les comento a amigos o conocidos lo que me costo me ven como loco por gastar en un juego de mesa mas de lo que cuesta una consola.
I've tooled around with making a smaller footprint, abstracted Kingdom Death using wood bits for everything. A white grid map, colored rectangles stood on end for survivors, larger discs or octagons for monsters, etc.
@@Quackalope Just buy acrylic rectangles and stands, then print any picture you like on transfer sheets (water slides like from models) and easily add images to the acrylic rectangles.
I do love miniatures in my Games, I play many Dungeon Craws, I don't really want them all turning to Acrylic Standees, that said ... Now this game I have no played and having to put minis together to me is fine, but it really doesnt belong in a Board game. as for portability, like my Imperial Assault, I have it all, tons of minis and expansions, they all moved to a Mini Transport case with its components, But it really isnt much larger than the stack of Core and expansions boxes. Now as for your Kingdom Death Monsters, they could do like Joan of Ark, move to a smaller Miniature scale (This said my JoA Boxes stack is over 6' Tall, But it has Thousands of minis) ... One the problems is Game snow think they need Larger and larger enemys, Even JoA with its Tiny Minis had one Super Larger Dragon, which I did get because it is great looking to display. Idea.. sell Games without minis or standees with upgrade packs of each (With the ability to store them IN the boxes they come in),
Personally I wouldn't want them to ever take their eye off the goal of creating a grandiose spectacle of a game. They should always be moving forward to whatever the next bigger, darker, part of the story they want to tell is. I just think they should avoid rehashing the game into something that dilutes Adam's original vision. KDM is not a game that I personally would take on the road with me, there's a million other smaller games for that - KDM is a game for filling my home with, a centerpiece of my games collection, and and adventure just waiting to happen... What madness comes after an acrylic version? KDM Pocket Edition - with a small peg-board like Battleships but with different colored pegs to represent players and the monsters? #SaveKDMFromThisMadness
Haha, I see the option of a acrylic version as a deluxification / upgrade in itself :) and a great way to add new players to the game and money to the coffers so they can keep creating whatever madness they dream up! The digital copy of the game is already a step away from the first imagined goal . . . so, why not this!
@@Quackalope The difference for me is that the digital world allows them to create the exact same thing in digital form which can allow gaming at a distance, whilst providing the ability to enhance the environment and do cool special effects. Acrylics, and again this is just my opinion, remove a very tactile element of the game and for me would remove a lot of the immersion. I still love to see the beautifully sculpted White Lion proudly standing in the middle of the board as I utter “So we meet again…”
While this is a neat idea, I think it comes from a place of misunderstanding. It isn't everyone's goal to cater to the most people or even make the most money. Sometimes respecting that a vision as an author or artist presents it means respecting that maybe that vision is not for you. There are plenty of other things that are the things you mention, just not this one, I will bring up Dark Souls and the creators being adamant that they are not interested in making an "easy" mode of the game, that is not their vision and that has to matter. And while this video addresses the digital experience, that did not come out of the blue without context. That was a direct response to Covid... Adam was trying to adapt to an uncertain world (he even wrote about thinking of developing it just so they could keep playtesting stuff after using other platforms), and mostly to create a way that would protect them from eventual repeats or similar events, after that it got launched. But yeah while a neat concept, trying to push creators to make the game you want or even telling them about profits. Without wanting to speak for Adam, but it has never been about making more money for KD, they still do pretty well with their sporadic sales of limited minis (with most selling out in a couple days) so yeah. While this would definitely appeal to more people, and it sounds like a neat idea upfront. Unless Adam's vision for his game changes, I don't see anything like this happening. And personally I would much rather see them invest the time and effort to some of the ideas that they still have in the works (an RPG, different types of expansions and deeper content into the lore etc) than a remake of the same game, but for a wider audience. Personal opinion btw! I still think its a neat idea :) just thought of pointing out some stuff.
Might not be fair, since i came from 40k but like… it’s a hobby game. Its not a traditional board game at all. And if you have green stuff, then paint your models!
Most of these arguments are odd. You want to be able to make the game portable? But some feldherr foam and put it in box. I’ve safely transported the game dozens of times, without any issues. As far as the “hobby” barrier, personally I never though I’d assemble or paint any miniatures, as I didn’t find it appealing at all. When I got my hands on KDM, I was “forced” to do it. Sure I still have a lot of unassembled stuff, but that’s mostly extra armor kits. It didn’t take that long to assemble and give something a basic paint job. You have storage issues, because you haven’t bought a shelf. Go do it, today, and there storage issue is solved. KDM is not accessible by default, it’s a deliberate choice to not go to compromise with their vision for accessibility (and profit). I don’t know why you are trying to force this upon APG.
Wait . . . you are arguing that foam is a big of an improvement as no minis would be? Yes, the hobby side of the game is fun to do and often surprises people with how much they enjoy it . . . but . . . I know so many who don't have the game due to this point alone. Or, don't have it ready to play. Great . . . everyone needs and has space and money for a new shelf just for KDM. I want APG to do well and make more, I want more people to play KDM. Your counter arguments are funny.
@@Quackalope I printed the characters and monsters on playing-card-paper, cut them out and glued them to a 3D printed standee with the right shape. Making Acrylic ones would be awesome and actually not as expensive as one might think but I only want to do that once I have a good solution for the White Lion...right now there is no artwork of it consistent with the other monsters, phoenix also very hard to find...I had to re-paint most of the art to have a whole monster😅
Interesting. For me, the miniature building, and painting is a plus for me. But, it would be great if you could get more people into the game… and Adam did mention is Jessie’s Con interview that he ‘missed an opportunity to make GCE a KDM 2.0 and sell out it as such (can’t remember his exact words). Also, they do have an incredible roster of artists and could leverage that even more.
Hi guys, love your channel and pation :) I totaly get your point and disagree personaly. It is intended as a special game, a work of art, a beautiful piece physicaly and son on and the acrylique make it a fun a cheap thing .. There are thousands of these games already. I think to be a special thing comes with... a price.... Then again I do agree on some parts .
I think the way to go would be, the next major version planed 1.7 or 2.0 could come without mini or standee at a lower price point. Existing player could upgrade for a smaller fee and new player could chose standee ar mini pack for the base game. Only problem is if they do it they will need to provide standee and mini for all the existing expansion...
Sorry for the following Wall of text, I became very inspired to write it I think I might be in the minority here but, I don't think KDM is supposed to be accessible, it's not supposed to travel with you, to me that would take away from what it is, this massive monolith of darkness and death is not something that bends to your will, it's not something friendly to you, or to your wallet, no KDM is something that you aspire to beat, its something that imposes on your life, your living space, your patience, you play KDm in-spite of what KDm really is, I honestly feel that by taking all of what it is away, by replacing the plastic with Acrylics, by making it easier to move around you rob it of its essence, let me tell you a short Story, I Live in Mexico so getting this game for me meant to take a second job on my spare time and save up for this beast for a good 4 months, then when I finally had the money for it it was sold out, after waiting some more months I was able to finally get it, seems simple right? but do you know what this really meant? I had overcome the first Two Massive hurdles this game presents you with, ease of purchase and availability, you need to want this game enough to save up for it, to look for it when it is available on the site, and this, to me, to many will be the first and only victories we will have against it. When you open that grim monolith, you explore its dark beauty you open up the miniatures box and see the sea of plastic staring back at you you might be tempted to stop, to turn back, but no, this is the game's Third Challenge, build me it whispers, build my minis without a proper guide, pray to the wind, pray to your lantern for help whatever help it can offer. Again it gives you another lesson, this game is not a mere filler game, this game will not be forgotten, it is memorable, it is Eternal, and it is something that you will become a part of eventually, swallowed into its deep dark depths, fighting against everything it will throw at you. so no Sir, this game does not need Acrylics, it should not be something that you can just pick up and take with you, no this game, this entity demands respect, it demands for you to bend to it, not the other way around. if nothing in the game bends to the player's will, why would the game itself do so?
Battlefoam has custom cut foam trays for kdm monsters that shape the models, that you can get in storage bags like those used for wargaming. I store kdm models in those
This would be great. I sold all my KDM because it was just too much of a hobby outside of just enjoying the game and I have way too many games and storage is a premium. If KDM 2.0 has an acyrlic standee version (like Kinfire Chronicals boss battler) I would be all over buying the game again. There are so many people that will not buy KDM just because of the reason I sold it (forced to do an entire hobby outside of just playing the game) and I see threads all the time. I have my doubts it will happen, but it would be great. There is so much competition now when it comes to boss battlers and mini games in general and they all have pre-built minis that look just as good to me. Plus not only is acrylic easier to store and durrable, but it is beautiful because you get to see the amazing art from the artists and there is no need to speend hours and hours painting and building. I would expect the price lower though. I mean if I could get the base game in KS with Gamblers as it is now for $300, I think there is room in the price. Also could you imagine how amazing colored Acrylic tile terrain! It would look great and not get in the way of minitures.
If they could produce an Acrylic KDM that was $80-$100 I'd be down. The miniatures are amazing but I really don't want to build them and that price point is insane. Is there a way they could do screen printed meeples even?
I just picked up a v1 kingdom death base set. I’m excited to play but putting the figures together is beyond my skill level. Is there a service that will put them together or any other options. Thank you!
Agreed 100%. I would so love to play this game but am fundamentally opposed to the idea of paying $400+ (that's not even including shipping) for a game I have to still assemble.
If they packaged acrylic standee's in brown boxes!!! It's already hard to hide them, these things would stack up even more. I want the artwork in the game as an option. Kingdom Death Shop already has my info, just start charging me when ready.
This would be amazing. Smaller box set at a similar price point would be awesome. But they don't even need to make a whole new game sku and this still has value. Just make the acrylics as a separate small box purchase/add-on. Ooohhh. I'm throwing money at my screen and nothing is happening....
Brilliant idea! Love painting my models, but I'd buy more expansions if they were at a lower cost and had beautiful acrylic artwork. Would likely also rebuy the main sets I have in acrylic!
Games having a standee version has been a tipping point for me to back it at crowdfunding. I may be wrong, but I feel the solution for most games would be to remove minis from the games and offer them as addons only. This makes a game more accessible without having to create two versions. Mini versions tend to cost more in most cases, so those who want the minis can't complain about having to pay for an addon as the price increase is always there anyway. This just allows those who don't want minis to get the game at a slightly lower price point. One game I backed because they offered a standee version was Nemesis Retaliation. My only problem with that campaign was that none of the expansions (new characters and alien races) came with standees. This is where having the game and expansions come with standees only and having a box or boxes of minis as an addon would have worked great. All that to say, yes, to a KDM standee version! Lol
End results: Yes :) I think the issue is . . . minis and big box games in the past have sold the best on KS for their category. The CMON approach is just . . . compelling.
@Quackalope yeah, the demand for all the minis is still there, so most companies are still safe to only offer minis. I'm glad to see that trend slowly change, though.
Im not so sure the price point would be lower, but it would be an acceptable trade for portability. Like you, I think I would buy another copy of the game simply for that aspect. This is coming from someone who is also going to buy another copy if they discount the game like they did at last year's Black Friday sale. Just looking back on the success Shadowborne Games had with Oathsworn, and its two distinct versions, shows that there would be a market for both versions. Just like with KDM, porting that game and its 4 huge boxes around can be a chore... though at least that game all fits back into its boxes. The same goes for Dragori Games and Tanares Adventures. Having a more portable option for people is a huge plus. Having jumped in on the third printing of Tanares myself, I'm wondering where exactly all those boxes are going to go when they arrive. And you know they all wont travel with me if I bring the game along. It will be enough of a burden to bring the two ultimate boxes. Having multiple versions would be a huge plus. KDM is absolutely a game I would (and do) deluxify. The hardest part would be actually going back and remaking versions of stuff that is already available. Im not so sure how viable that would be.
They would just need to do an acrylic upgrade kit with the artwork they have already produced! They don’t need to do all the past resin models either - just a collection of them would be perfectly fine :) or a slow roll of 10-20 a pack over the course of a few years! I get the idea back when KDM launched . . . but now the whole industry has changed and the game needs to right alongside it!
I think it will and should be for a much lower price point. One acrylic sheet can print a bunch of monster in one go so I think the manufacturing of it will be much lower that all those sprues but I might be wrong. I will definitely get an acrylic smaller version of KDM if available and cost less.
Yea, I just don’t know about that part of it. We hear mixed things around minis and cardboard and acrylic. For instance - minis are the cheapest of the bunch when it comes to manufacturing - as long as you have the bulk to order.
I also disagree. I know the more options better argument but I feel like the game would lose too much charm. Everyone should experience it with minis imo. If you’re interested, buy it. If you don’t like it sell it. There are always buyers.
Maybe, I love acrylic. I would agree that there should never be a cardboard version of KDM - but Acrylic with the artwork would feel like a upgrade / deluxification compared to my grey or poorly painted minis.
I'd be willing to give Kingdom Death a try if it had a less expensive standee version. I sometimes enjoy painting miniatures, but I absolutely do not enjoy assembling them. Also, Monster Fight Club is making acrylic standees for their Cyberpunk Edgerunners/ Cyberpunk Red Combat Zone, and I'm looking forward to seeing if other publishers will be following after them.
Yes, this is a older video . . . you can tell by my Expander Lisp and Beard!
I have never even considered KDM for 2 big reasons 1) cost of entry is insane 2) I do not want to store it.
See, let's get this man a standee version!
The Gambler's Chest Expansion comes with armor set miniatures which are less customizability than the older ones, but they still allow for multiple poses and weapon options. You can make an argument for standees without outright misrepresenting what's in the box, I think.
Outright misrepresenting?
Strong words. The original goal and dream of each model being customizable has changed - that’s the claim we made. You can’t do that anymore.
@@Quackalope I said what I said. This whole video is full of nonsense, but it's subjective nonsense. Ignoring the armor kit miniatures that are still in the GCE to make some dumb point about the narrative minis is misrepresenting.
@@Quackalope
In fact, at 8:12 you say "They're not doing the customizable models any more". You completely disregard the armor kits in the Gambler's Chest, which is what got me writing my original comment. If you do not want push back then please be more accurate with your statements. Earlier Shira said that you are "stuck" with 2 male and 2 female survivors, which is only true if you don't build any of the 32 other survivor kits in just the core box.
This whole video is a bad sales pitch full of outright misrepresentations and poor arguments for a product you're not even making.
I don't want models to go away. Narrative sculpts are sick af but I cannot agree more that acrylics coming with them for the art is brilliant. And we usually sit 2 players per side of the table so we will always be at the perfect viewing angle.
Nah, but for sure! :)
Not sure how the viewing angle would be perfect always. At some point the skinny side of the standee would be facing you since facing of the monsters change direction and big part of game
@@TabletopFamily that's easy you set the base of the model to have arrow or something denoting facing at roughly a 45degree angle from the flat image so you'll always be able to see from any of the cardinal directions.
@@kintreveis1019 so 50% of the directions you would be looking at it at an angle?
Uh sure?? It's not a 3d hologram so yes you'd be looking at it at an angle. You would always be able to see the art and never looking at it down it's flat edge.
I absolutely agree with the acrylic idea. You have to keep the game beautiful and eye catching
problem is your also removing the hobby and painting aspects of the game which is really the main draw for most people or at least for everyone ive talked to who've played the game
No one who wants the paint and build will miss out on that . . . this is not a replacement - it is an addition!
@@Quackalope i get where your coming from but can this addition really be justified
long term i get the appeal for core but when you also take into account expansions it just seems like waste of recourses now if we had a smaller scale game set in the same world as kingdom death with a smaller but similar but still unique game style and that game just so happened to use acrylic stands instead of miniatures then i would be more agreeable
Shipping with acrylic minis won't turn off players who already have it. this addition is just strictly to bring new players who don't have the time or interest in building and painting minis. It's just making it more accessible to a broader audience.
I agree. More games need to go acrylic. Uprising is one of my top 5 games and the price to content, to look and feel are part of that
I want vagrant song half for the look of it and would buy Townsfolk Tussle if they did a acrylic version because I like the art WAYYY more than the 3D models
I just love acrylic as an option! I can’t paint as nice as your artist :)
Also if Poots read this: Translate the game to Spanish, tons of new customers in Mexico, Latin America, and Spain are willing to pay astronomical prices in board games. Even if you only translate the Simulator. I can help with the translation.
quizas el simulador funcione en español, de ahi traducir todo el juego lo dudo, por su costo muy dificilmente se venderia en latinoamerica, por ejempli aca en Ecuador estoy un 97% seguro de que soy el unico que lo tiene, y cuando les comento a amigos o conocidos lo que me costo me ven como loco por gastar en un juego de mesa mas de lo que cuesta una consola.
I've tooled around with making a smaller footprint, abstracted Kingdom Death using wood bits for everything. A white grid map, colored rectangles stood on end for survivors, larger discs or octagons for monsters, etc.
Yea, I desperately want to get a acrilic or wood printing machine so I can custom make my own :)
@@Quackalope Just buy acrylic rectangles and stands, then print any picture you like on transfer sheets (water slides like from models) and easily add images to the acrylic rectangles.
I do love miniatures in my Games, I play many Dungeon Craws, I don't really want them all turning to Acrylic Standees, that said ... Now this game I have no played and having to put minis together to me is fine, but it really doesnt belong in a Board game. as for portability, like my Imperial Assault, I have it all, tons of minis and expansions, they all moved to a Mini Transport case with its components, But it really isnt much larger than the stack of Core and expansions boxes. Now as for your Kingdom Death Monsters, they could do like Joan of Ark, move to a smaller Miniature scale (This said my JoA Boxes stack is over 6' Tall, But it has Thousands of minis) ... One the problems is Game snow think they need Larger and larger enemys, Even JoA with its Tiny Minis had one Super Larger Dragon, which I did get because it is great looking to display. Idea.. sell Games without minis or standees with upgrade packs of each (With the ability to store them IN the boxes they come in),
Personally I wouldn't want them to ever take their eye off the goal of creating a grandiose spectacle of a game. They should always be moving forward to whatever the next bigger, darker, part of the story they want to tell is. I just think they should avoid rehashing the game into something that dilutes Adam's original vision.
KDM is not a game that I personally would take on the road with me, there's a million other smaller games for that - KDM is a game for filling my home with, a centerpiece of my games collection, and and adventure just waiting to happen...
What madness comes after an acrylic version? KDM Pocket Edition - with a small peg-board like Battleships but with different colored pegs to represent players and the monsters? #SaveKDMFromThisMadness
Haha, I see the option of a acrylic version as a deluxification / upgrade in itself :) and a great way to add new players to the game and money to the coffers so they can keep creating whatever madness they dream up!
The digital copy of the game is already a step away from the first imagined goal . . . so, why not this!
@@Quackalope The difference for me is that the digital world allows them to create the exact same thing in digital form which can allow gaming at a distance, whilst providing the ability to enhance the environment and do cool special effects. Acrylics, and again this is just my opinion, remove a very tactile element of the game and for me would remove a lot of the immersion. I still love to see the beautifully sculpted White Lion proudly standing in the middle of the board as I utter “So we meet again…”
While I personally want the miniature version. I think this is a very good idea.
I want both :D
While this is a neat idea, I think it comes from a place of misunderstanding. It isn't everyone's goal to cater to the most people or even make the most money. Sometimes respecting that a vision as an author or artist presents it means respecting that maybe that vision is not for you. There are plenty of other things that are the things you mention, just not this one, I will bring up Dark Souls and the creators being adamant that they are not interested in making an "easy" mode of the game, that is not their vision and that has to matter. And while this video addresses the digital experience, that did not come out of the blue without context. That was a direct response to Covid... Adam was trying to adapt to an uncertain world (he even wrote about thinking of developing it just so they could keep playtesting stuff after using other platforms), and mostly to create a way that would protect them from eventual repeats or similar events, after that it got launched.
But yeah while a neat concept, trying to push creators to make the game you want or even telling them about profits. Without wanting to speak for Adam, but it has never been about making more money for KD, they still do pretty well with their sporadic sales of limited minis (with most selling out in a couple days) so yeah. While this would definitely appeal to more people, and it sounds like a neat idea upfront. Unless Adam's vision for his game changes, I don't see anything like this happening.
And personally I would much rather see them invest the time and effort to some of the ideas that they still have in the works (an RPG, different types of expansions and deeper content into the lore etc) than a remake of the same game, but for a wider audience.
Personal opinion btw! I still think its a neat idea :) just thought of pointing out some stuff.
Might not be fair, since i came from 40k but like…
it’s a hobby game. Its not a traditional board game at all.
And if you have green stuff, then paint your models!
Most of these arguments are odd.
You want to be able to make the game portable? But some feldherr foam and put it in box. I’ve safely transported the game dozens of times, without any issues.
As far as the “hobby” barrier, personally I never though I’d assemble or paint any miniatures, as I didn’t find it appealing at all. When I got my hands on KDM, I was “forced” to do it. Sure I still have a lot of unassembled stuff, but that’s mostly extra armor kits. It didn’t take that long to assemble and give something a basic paint job.
You have storage issues, because you haven’t bought a shelf. Go do it, today, and there storage issue is solved.
KDM is not accessible by default, it’s a deliberate choice to not go to compromise with their vision for accessibility (and profit). I don’t know why you are trying to force this upon APG.
Wait . . . you are arguing that foam is a big of an improvement as no minis would be?
Yes, the hobby side of the game is fun to do and often surprises people with how much they enjoy it . . . but . . . I know so many who don't have the game due to this point alone. Or, don't have it ready to play.
Great . . . everyone needs and has space and money for a new shelf just for KDM.
I want APG to do well and make more, I want more people to play KDM.
Your counter arguments are funny.
I made my own standees with Kingdom Death Artwork a while ago, definitely made it easier to bring to conventions!
With acrylic or something else?
@@Quackalope I printed the characters and monsters on playing-card-paper, cut them out and glued them to a 3D printed standee with the right shape. Making Acrylic ones would be awesome and actually not as expensive as one might think but I only want to do that once I have a good solution for the White Lion...right now there is no artwork of it consistent with the other monsters, phoenix also very hard to find...I had to re-paint most of the art to have a whole monster😅
Interesting. For me, the miniature building, and painting is a plus for me. But, it would be great if you could get more people into the game… and Adam did mention is Jessie’s Con interview that he ‘missed an opportunity to make GCE a KDM 2.0 and sell out it as such (can’t remember his exact words). Also, they do have an incredible roster of artists and could leverage that even more.
Thinking about this more , I think 15mm survivors with 50 mm monsters would be cooler then standees
Hi guys, love your channel and pation :) I totaly get your point and disagree personaly. It is intended as a special game, a work of art, a beautiful piece physicaly and son on and the acrylique make it a fun a cheap thing .. There are thousands of these games already. I think to be a special thing comes with... a price.... Then again I do agree on some parts .
I'm 100% for standees and not because they're cheaper, because they're not, but looks waaaay better that blobs of grey plastic AND way more compact 🎩
Yep, for me it is 100% a upgrade.
I'd buy it, even if it were the same price as the miniature version.
I think the way to go would be, the next major version planed 1.7 or 2.0 could come without mini or standee at a lower price point. Existing player could upgrade for a smaller fee and new player could chose standee ar mini pack for the base game. Only problem is if they do it they will need to provide standee and mini for all the existing expansion...
Yep, one big box of acrylic upgrades :)
I think they launch a 2.0 and have acrylic as an option.
Sorry for the following Wall of text, I became very inspired to write it
I think I might be in the minority here but, I don't think KDM is supposed to be accessible, it's not supposed to travel with you, to me that would take away from what it is, this massive monolith of darkness and death is not something that bends to your will, it's not something friendly to you, or to your wallet, no KDM is something that you aspire to beat, its something that imposes on your life, your living space, your patience, you play KDm in-spite of what KDm really is, I honestly feel that by taking all of what it is away, by replacing the plastic with Acrylics, by making it easier to move around you rob it of its essence, let me tell you a short Story, I Live in Mexico so getting this game for me meant to take a second job on my spare time and save up for this beast for a good 4 months, then when I finally had the money for it it was sold out, after waiting some more months I was able to finally get it, seems simple right? but do you know what this really meant? I had overcome the first Two Massive hurdles this game presents you with, ease of purchase and availability, you need to want this game enough to save up for it, to look for it when it is available on the site, and this, to me, to many will be the first and only victories we will have against it.
When you open that grim monolith, you explore its dark beauty you open up the miniatures box and see the sea of plastic staring back at you you might be tempted to stop, to turn back, but no, this is the game's Third Challenge, build me it whispers, build my minis without a proper guide, pray to the wind, pray to your lantern for help whatever help it can offer.
Again it gives you another lesson, this game is not a mere filler game, this game will not be forgotten, it is memorable, it is Eternal, and it is something that you will become a part of eventually, swallowed into its deep dark depths, fighting against everything it will throw at you.
so no Sir, this game does not need Acrylics, it should not be something that you can just pick up and take with you, no this game, this entity demands respect, it demands for you to bend to it, not the other way around. if nothing in the game bends to the player's will, why would the game itself do so?
Battlefoam has custom cut foam trays for kdm monsters that shape the models, that you can get in storage bags like those used for wargaming. I store kdm models in those
This would be great. I sold all my KDM because it was just too much of a hobby outside of just enjoying the game and I have way too many games and storage is a premium. If KDM 2.0 has an acyrlic standee version (like Kinfire Chronicals boss battler) I would be all over buying the game again. There are so many people that will not buy KDM just because of the reason I sold it (forced to do an entire hobby outside of just playing the game) and I see threads all the time. I have my doubts it will happen, but it would be great.
There is so much competition now when it comes to boss battlers and mini games in general and they all have pre-built minis that look just as good to me. Plus not only is acrylic easier to store and durrable, but it is beautiful because you get to see the amazing art from the artists and there is no need to speend hours and hours painting and building. I would expect the price lower though. I mean if I could get the base game in KS with Gamblers as it is now for $300, I think there is room in the price. Also could you imagine how amazing colored Acrylic tile terrain! It would look great and not get in the way of minitures.
If they could produce an Acrylic KDM that was $80-$100 I'd be down. The miniatures are amazing but I really don't want to build them and that price point is insane. Is there a way they could do screen printed meeples even?
I just picked up a v1 kingdom death base set. I’m excited to play but putting the figures together is beyond my skill level. Is there a service that will put them together or any other options. Thank you!
I have always felt acrylic or even cardboard standees should be standard and miniatures would be optional.
Makes sense to me 🤷♂️. This has to be why Vagrantsong was so cheap/accessible.
It’s also much smaller :)
Agreed 100%. I would so love to play this game but am fundamentally opposed to the idea of paying $400+ (that's not even including shipping) for a game I have to still assemble.
Hahah, the assembly is a lot of fun :)
But yes, I understand
If they packaged acrylic standee's in brown boxes!!! It's already hard to hide them, these things would stack up even more. I want the artwork in the game as an option. Kingdom Death Shop already has my info, just start charging me when ready.
This would be amazing. Smaller box set at a similar price point would be awesome. But they don't even need to make a whole new game sku and this still has value. Just make the acrylics as a separate small box purchase/add-on. Ooohhh. I'm throwing money at my screen and nothing is happening....
I totally agree! I think it makes all the sense in the world for them going forward . . . it would cost me so much money lol
Brilliant idea! Love painting my models, but I'd buy more expansions if they were at a lower cost and had beautiful acrylic artwork. Would likely also rebuy the main sets I have in acrylic!
Right . . . we would all go back for another set!
You can cut up pieces of paper and label them to represent the miniatures too.
That downgrades the game :) acrilic keeps the quality and delux feel of it!
Target store version of kdm set durring a fantastical ice age fighting mammoths, Saber tooth tigers and dragons.
XD the right next step
while this would be cool. I don't see Poots going for acrylics, since they've said that KDM is a minis based game.
They also said it would never be digital.
@@Quackalope True and they have also walked back the "we'll never release the cards from the white boxes separately"
Games having a standee version has been a tipping point for me to back it at crowdfunding. I may be wrong, but I feel the solution for most games would be to remove minis from the games and offer them as addons only. This makes a game more accessible without having to create two versions. Mini versions tend to cost more in most cases, so those who want the minis can't complain about having to pay for an addon as the price increase is always there anyway. This just allows those who don't want minis to get the game at a slightly lower price point.
One game I backed because they offered a standee version was Nemesis Retaliation. My only problem with that campaign was that none of the expansions (new characters and alien races) came with standees. This is where having the game and expansions come with standees only and having a box or boxes of minis as an addon would have worked great.
All that to say, yes, to a KDM standee version! Lol
End results: Yes :)
I think the issue is . . . minis and big box games in the past have sold the best on KS for their category. The CMON approach is just . . . compelling.
@Quackalope yeah, the demand for all the minis is still there, so most companies are still safe to only offer minis. I'm glad to see that trend slowly change, though.
I think it is shifting hard this year.
Im not so sure the price point would be lower, but it would be an acceptable trade for portability. Like you, I think I would buy another copy of the game simply for that aspect. This is coming from someone who is also going to buy another copy if they discount the game like they did at last year's Black Friday sale.
Just looking back on the success Shadowborne Games had with Oathsworn, and its two distinct versions, shows that there would be a market for both versions. Just like with KDM, porting that game and its 4 huge boxes around can be a chore... though at least that game all fits back into its boxes. The same goes for Dragori Games and Tanares Adventures. Having a more portable option for people is a huge plus. Having jumped in on the third printing of Tanares myself, I'm wondering where exactly all those boxes are going to go when they arrive. And you know they all wont travel with me if I bring the game along. It will be enough of a burden to bring the two ultimate boxes.
Having multiple versions would be a huge plus. KDM is absolutely a game I would (and do) deluxify. The hardest part would be actually going back and remaking versions of stuff that is already available. Im not so sure how viable that would be.
They would just need to do an acrylic upgrade kit with the artwork they have already produced! They don’t need to do all the past resin models either - just a collection of them would be perfectly fine :) or a slow roll of 10-20 a pack over the course of a few years!
I get the idea back when KDM launched . . . but now the whole industry has changed and the game needs to right alongside it!
I think it will and should be for a much lower price point.
One acrylic sheet can print a bunch of monster in one go so I think the manufacturing of it will be much lower that all those sprues but I might be wrong.
I will definitely get an acrylic smaller version of KDM if available and cost less.
Yea, I just don’t know about that part of it. We hear mixed things around minis and cardboard and acrylic. For instance - minis are the cheapest of the bunch when it comes to manufacturing - as long as you have the bulk to order.
Hey Jesse I’m going to be in Ohio for work next week it would be a lot of fun to meet up and game. I’ll be in Ohio may 20-22
They should work on a cheaper version because the shipping to latam on top of the game is my networth :(
I also disagree. I know the more options better argument but I feel like the game would lose too much charm. Everyone should experience it with minis imo. If you’re interested, buy it. If you don’t like it sell it. There are always buyers.
Maybe, I love acrylic. I would agree that there should never be a cardboard version of KDM - but Acrylic with the artwork would feel like a upgrade / deluxification compared to my grey or poorly painted minis.
Could you check out Altered ? An upcoming tcg, it is SOOOO board gamy ! I think you would love it, and it needs come english covering !
I have seen some about it :) would love to dig into it one day!
I'd be willing to give Kingdom Death a try if it had a less expensive standee version.
I sometimes enjoy painting miniatures, but I absolutely do not enjoy assembling them.
Also, Monster Fight Club is making acrylic standees for their Cyberpunk Edgerunners/ Cyberpunk Red Combat Zone, and I'm looking forward to seeing if other publishers will be following after them.
I’ll have to look them up! Thanks for the insight :)
No matter how old, a 🐦 is a 🐦, no questions asked :-D
Haha a bird is a bird
I would buy an acrylic version, for sure. No interest in massive miniatures at all.
We want it to happen!
BLASPHEMY!
Haha XD I am sorry
@@Quackalope What would Adam say!? Especially after your great interview with him at last GenCon! ;)
@@magallianx My hope is that he agrees :)
This idea would make a killing on kickstarter.
I absolutely, totally, agree!
Nah, I feel like wooden figures would be better.
But thats just me, im obsessed with them since root lol
Kingdom Death is not my thing...but still enjoy your videos