The real power comes when developers start to develop and optimize for the Apple chips natively. Would love that to become the standard for triple A games in the next 5 years.
The fact that you are running all of this without a charging cable plugged in is mighty impressive imo. I couldn't name any other laptop that could do this at the moment
@@ASCENTxyz Victus by HP 16-s0155ng 1000 bucks, can get it for even less, has an rtx4060 in it. Gonna blast this tjing away easy. And that’s just the first thing I found
@@cacti16s Victus by HP 16-s0155ng, and that’s like literally the first thing I’ve found after googling for one second. It has a 4060rtx in it, for a 1000 bucks. 144 hz display. And you can probably get it cheaper. That’s one out of literally dozens. It eats that thing for breakfast. But you pay you go live in apple dreamland guys.
Hi Andrew, thanks for being a core pillar for the Mac Games community for such a long time and such a great help with your tutorials! Please compare M1 Max vs M4 Max performance on these games: Returnal, Baldurs Gate 3, Dead Space (2023), Remnant 2, Resident Evil 4 (Steam version, non native), Elden Ring, Metaphor, Dragons Dogma 2 and The Witcher 3 (updated definitive version with Ray Tracing) . Are you planning to do a M1 Max vs M4 Max video? I think most peopled that will consider an M4 Max are on M1 Max or do not have a Mac currently. The former will have to decide on whether to wait for M5 Max/M6 Max possibly or upgrade now.
Bro you actually do a well job of presenting games and are one of the only few that test Minecraft on mac ive been searching forever for a review like this
@@brianpluhar8625 2008 iMac. The computer is nearly old enough to vote. Still runs Minecraft at near 60 fps. Minecraft will run at like 800 fps on the new Macs.
Indeed. I’m looking forward to the 48GB Memory model, just too bad that Apple decided to put only 512GB of storage to force most people to upgrade, paying those ridiculous prices.
I do love MBPs, even though I am writing this comment from a 4080 Acer laptop but for gaming, unless the games are natively supported, I wouldn't bother with a Mac just yet. The base price for M4 Mac is about 1600USD, and for that price, you can easily get a 4070 laptop with AMOLED screen these days. The tested config M4 MAX is close to 4000USD, which is insane amount of money. For the moment, I would buy the entry level MBP for doing Mac business + buy a 4070 gaming PC just for gaming and still have some left overs.
I’ve never seen a more ridiculous review. How many people are actually buying a machine with 48 GPUs? Everyone should have tested the entry-level Mac Mini with 16GB of RAM and 10 GPUs. They could add the results for the 48 GPU version as an extra, I have no issue with that.
i think this was apples last chance to enter gaming. even a 3000€+ system has trouble running recent games at a high resolution with adequate gfx settings. macs will be doomed to be working machines forever unfortunately.
@@sertdert1006 I think it actually makes sence to make a game-review one of the high-end configurations to demonstrate current gaming power, that Apple can deliver at this moment. :) Of course there will be base M4 mini gaming test, but I don't find anything ridiculous about testing highend M4 Max configuration although its not for everyone.
@@Wavybeing I don't think so. You can't properly run games without native support or very well optimised compatibility/translation layer. If there is something like Rosetta 2, which can basically run x86 apps on M-series ARM Macs with minimum performance loss, but for games, so it would be a different level. Of course, Rosseta 2 is "just" translating x86 Mac apps to ARM, meanwhile most of games are Windows exclusive and its just not as easy as the way Rosetta 2 works.. But my point is the reliability, compatibility and minimum performance loss taken from Rosetta 2 and "put" into some Apple Gaming software which would be able to run Windows games in similar quality as Rosetta 2 can translate x86 apps. :D I believe it can be a GPTK in the future, becasue we can already see a huge performance improvement since GPTK 2.0 b3 was released and its not even a full version, sooo.. Let's hope. :D I also think that official Mac port of Cyberpunk will be pretty good benchmark of Mac capability when speaking about M-series Mac's gaming potential. And when theres actually more and more games bringing Mac port every year, the Mac gaming fate can be once dissolved and huge gaming revolution can begin. :DD When speaking again about Rosetta 2 and M1 Macs release, it took a while until it was actually usable. After release it was comparable to current Windows laptops with new Snapdragon X ARM CPU. Theres huge problem with app compatibility and we'll have to wait until it gets a decent level of usability by time, as soon as developers will begin to adapt to it. I see a similar scenario in case of GPTK. Its something about half a year from GPTK 2.0 first beta release and now we'll have to wait. Developers can now probably see that Apple is taking gaming seriously and that they're actually providing some tools like mentioned GPTK, Metal, etc. to make porting Windows games to Mac for developers easier. So as I said, I see it in a very optimistic way and I hope Macs will be capable gaming machines one day. :D
All these translation layers reminds me of a time when I needed to find an interpreter for Hungarian to Uzbek... there ain't any so we ended up with something like Hungarian to English, English to Spanish, Spanish to Turkish, Turkish to Uzbek...
@mocancosmin5397 the worst thing about this is that crossover has a very little performance impact comparatively and these games are incredibly GPU limited anyway which means that these are running close to native performance - within margin of error. Mac gaming is still far away, the power budget is nice however and is commendable regardless.
This is an incredible result considering the overall energy consumption and emulation. Cyberpnk runs at 1080 ga ultra settings as on 4060 through emulation and has twice as little energy consumption!! It's scary to think what will happen in the native version
This is a workstation that’s mobile that can happen to play games. I think people forget that. Apple could make a gaming laptop by just sticking to 8p cores and 4e cores with 40, 50 and 60 GPU core options with 16, 24 or 32 gbs of ram. No media engines but a wide variety of different color options. With their tandem OLED screens would be awesome. I’d pay $4000k for that.
@@budthecyborg4575 The PS5 pro is not more powerful by any means. The max is slightly more powerful but also don’t forget this has media engines a screen, is portable and runs an actual os.
@@GlobalWave1 Yes the PS5 Pro is more powerful. RE4 Remake runs better on PS5 Pro than on the M4 Max. Also, PS5 Pro comes with a 300TOPS NPU to enable PSSR, whereas Apple only put a 38TOPS NPU even on the M4 Max.
thanks for these videos andrew, ill always leave a like. not many ppl are making this kind of content, and exposure for mac gaming does a lot to help the community grow
Thanks alot for the video, it gave me a good perspective on what to expect from those MacBooks! I couldn't find any other for gaming in a quick search.
awesome review. my m4 max (64GB, 2TB) arrives next week. was hoping it can replace my windows desktop (which I use for occasional gaming) and sounds like it definitely can!
The fact that it wasn’t plugged in and could still run games like that is super impressive. I can’t even imagine how powerful it can be when it is plugged in.
2:58 your M3 Max result is not right! Most probably Low Power mode was enabled, I have tested on my M3 Max 30c GPU and achieved 51FPS on exact same settings (1080p Ultra preset), 40c GPU performance is 25% faster than 30c GPU so real gain of M4 Max 40c vs M3 Max 40c GPU is 20-25% not 55%! You have to avoid mistakes like this, it's huge difference!
Great job with the edit. Can't believe this all came from this morning's live stream. Sarcastically bummed that Wild Animal Racing didn't make the final edit haha
I hope you acquired the high-end Mac Mini Pro. We are tired of waiting for a new Mac Studio with a max chip and so the loaded mini with 20 GPU cores is looking interesting. Can’t wait to see it tested.
The jump from M3 Max to M4 Max maintained over time puts the M6 as a viable gaming platform for ray traced titles at 60 fps at 1440p. Either chip handles most indie development workloads quite well.
The thing is that the M4 Max is on the level of an RTX 4070 Desktop/RTX 4080 Mobile, yet because of the architecture it runs at way lower speeds on games using translation layers. Something like a used Dell XPS 17 4080 would be better for people who want the slickest design and the best gaming, and it's way cheaper too. Just $3000 on eBay for a refurbished XPS 17 with an i9-13900H, RTX 4080, 4K Touchscreen, 64GB of RAM and 8TB of storage.
The are the one who dont know what u are talking about . 4090m smashes 4070m in frame per watt . So the g16 will performe hell way better than any 4070m . The cuda cores diff is huge. Other thing : 4070M is > 4060 DESKTOP @@RobloxianX
The most interesting thing for me is the more affordable Options. How much more Performance in Games has the higher Spec M4 Pro against the base Model M4 Pro in the Macbooks. Would be really awesome if u could compare those in for example Shadow of the Tomb Raider. Thx for all your work man, greetz from Germany !
The difference in practice seems to be quite small (maybe 10% better on average in frames per second on what I've seen) which is partly what made me go with the entry level M4 Pro in the Mac mini I have. But on paper it should be up to 20% better. Not sure if there's an example of that being represented in a game, though.
This video should be in 4K to understand and see what the real results are. But thank you for your devoting work of showing us games on Mac you're the best in this domain.
I am getting much higher results in CP2077 with M3M in a 14" MBP: 1080p Ultra + RT in benchmark was 32 fps, I assume the 16" variant you have in the video should be 10-20% higher. Non-RT results are also higher--60 fps at 1080p Ultra. Were you using high perf mode?
Exactly. His result is not right, real performance gain of M4 Max vs M3 Max is 20-25%. He had low power mode activated on M3 Max probably when tested CP2077
Okay yeah the gaming is possible, but the benchmarks I've seen do not translate in to gaming at all, atleast not through crossover etc. I used to have a gaming PC with similar benchmarks to the base M4, but it had pretty much double the framerates compared to M4 max! So just for anyone getting excited about the benchmarks, they do not mean anything when compared to PC in terms of gaming.
Lmao, right, this is all what it's about. Ppl always bragging with useless benchmarks but m4 and m4 pro chips aren't well optimized at all for any type of gaming. Just buy a half priced gaming laptop and it will do better 99% of the time in terms of gaming.
What I find a big step forward and I have a gaming PC, is simply the power consumption ingenious what is possible when you compare the consumption ..... what an RTX 4090 takes for it. Too bad that not every game will come otherwise I would sell my gaming PC and only own a Macbook. At the moment I only have a Macbook Air M2 and a Windows gaming PC.
Love the video, just a game you could try is BeamNG drive, its known for being taxing even for the RTX4090 so i would love to see how it runs on M4 max it is windows only though so translation would be neccessary
M4 Max's GPU is starting to get insanely close to the mobile dGPU options available from NVIDIA on Windows laptops. It might not be M4 Max, but M5 Max might very well make the MacBook Pro the ultimate mobile workstation that just so happens to game effortlessly, and I can't wait until it becomes actually viable that I might be able to dump my RTX 4080 Razer Blade for a laptop just as capable while being 1000x more energy efficient.
Quite interesting. Much more of a performance delta between the M3 Max and M4 Max than one would expect - certainly more than 25% and closer to 50%. Could this be related to memory bandwidth?
It would be cool when the Cyberpunk 2077 port for Mac comes out, to make a comparison of how it ran emulated and how it runs natively, so we can see that Macs are really capable of running AAA titles if they were native. Once we have the native Cyberpunk, we could even look into what hardware would be necessary to run it similarly on Windows to finally have good comparisons of Mac's power.
Hey, I was wondering if the 14-inch MacBook Pro with the top-end chips like M4 Max or M3 Max would have any heating issues or performance drops when gaming for a while? Just want to make sure it can handle longer gaming sessions without slowing down.
Appreciate you for this info! Do you have the Silent Hill 2 Remake? I’ve been playing it on my M1 Pro and would like to see how it runs on the M4 Max as this would be one of my big upgrade factors if it’s any better.
@@Wayne-sn6qy I've just looked at it, in Re4 ray tracing basically doesn't make a difference and its still comparable to the Rtx 4070 - 4070ti (without ray tracing at 4k)
Can you please try POOLS? Apple announced it's gonna become native at some point, but I want to see how good it runs especially since its a highly demanding photorealistic game.
Everyone is shooting a review on the m4 max, but most people will buy the m4 and m4 pro, I want to see a review on these chips. So it is clear that the m4 max will run very well
I hope compared with Apple Silicon native and Rosetta 2 (Intel Base games). I tried run Rosetta 2 games on M1 normal Mac mini. A little bit stacked. (Possibly the memory bandwidth issue) Thank you for your review‼️
‼️ please test the MacBook M4 Max in the game STALKER 2 which will be released on November 20, 2024 this game has many fans and it will be interesting to see what the MacBook is capable of
HI Andrew. I have the M4 Max MBP 128gb. It's a beast. I was wondering though -- have you seen any hard OS freezes or system restarts with Crossover? I have had this happen to me around 5 times when installing Steam in bottles per CrossOver game on this MBP. I've also had a comparable freeze while running Death Stranding from the App Store. I'm hoping it's a software issue until apps are built with the new M4 chip in mind. Love your videos, thanks for making this sort of content for us.
I had this happen a few times when playing Phasmophobia through Crossover on 14" M3 Pro MBP. No longer use Crossover because Im worried about losing work or corrupting files when it completely hard restarts my machine with no warning. Id honestly prefer a Windows blue-screen than this because at least it lets you know whats happening. Haven't had it happen outside of Crossover though, but will watch out for it on native games too if you're also having issues with App Store games.
M4 pro 14 core CPU 20 Core GPU 48g ram and 2 tb ssd okay for gaming too? just would like to have a sweet game installed so i can play when ever. something like a fps. thanks!
The real power comes when developers start to develop and optimize for the Apple chips natively. Would love that to become the standard for triple A games in the next 5 years.
A potential Apple console or handheld would make that progress easier.
that would never happen because it's really hard to optimize for the ARM based ships on apple.
@@Destrobruh no it's not
@@sairsonat9816 why would u need an apple console? It would be again a box with an m4 chip. What would be the difference?
Never happen. Not with the current management anyway.
The fact that you are running all of this without a charging cable plugged in is mighty impressive imo. I couldn't name any other laptop that could do this at the moment
Tons and tons of them. For less than half the price of that thing.
@@ToniTheChamp Well... no.
@@ASCENTxyz Victus by HP 16-s0155ng 1000 bucks, can get it for even less, has an rtx4060 in it. Gonna blast this tjing away easy. And that’s just the first thing I found
@@ToniTheChamp name one please ?
@@cacti16s Victus by HP 16-s0155ng, and that’s like literally the first thing I’ve found after googling for one second. It has a 4060rtx in it, for a 1000 bucks. 144 hz display. And you can probably get it cheaper. That’s one out of literally dozens. It eats that thing for breakfast. But you pay you go live in apple dreamland guys.
Hi Andrew, thanks for being a core pillar for the Mac Games community for such a long time and such a great help with your tutorials! Please compare M1 Max vs M4 Max performance on these games: Returnal, Baldurs Gate 3, Dead Space (2023), Remnant 2, Resident Evil 4 (Steam version, non native), Elden Ring, Metaphor, Dragons Dogma 2 and The Witcher 3 (updated definitive version with Ray Tracing) . Are you planning to do a M1 Max vs M4 Max video? I think most peopled that will consider an M4 Max are on M1 Max or do not have a Mac currently. The former will have to decide on whether to wait for M5 Max/M6 Max possibly or upgrade now.
Bro you actually do a well job of presenting games and are one of the only few that test Minecraft on mac ive been searching forever for a review like this
The latest version of Minecraft runs at 54-ish FPS on my base spec 2008 iMac with Sodium. Is there much else to say?
@@masterkamen371 Yeah, Intel Macs are hot doodoo
@@brianpluhar8625 2008 iMac. The computer is nearly old enough to vote. Still runs Minecraft at near 60 fps.
Minecraft will run at like 800 fps on the new Macs.
Now M4 Pro 20C please. That's what many more buyers will go for.
Yes i confirm that 👍🏻
Yep, that’s what I’m looking for also.
Indeed. I’m looking forward to the 48GB Memory model, just too bad that Apple decided to put only 512GB of storage to force most people to upgrade, paying those ridiculous prices.
Half of that. There you go.
+1
I do love MBPs, even though I am writing this comment from a 4080 Acer laptop but for gaming, unless the games are natively supported, I wouldn't bother with a Mac just yet. The base price for M4 Mac is about 1600USD, and for that price, you can easily get a 4070 laptop with AMOLED screen these days. The tested config M4 MAX is close to 4000USD, which is insane amount of money. For the moment, I would buy the entry level MBP for doing Mac business + buy a 4070 gaming PC just for gaming and still have some left overs.
nah, just hackintosh. Why bother even purchasing a second laptop?
Exactly plus no hokus pokes on gaming on Mac it is not a gaming laptop, period.
@@VuBeClan hackintosh for apple silicon software....sure
@@beegyoshi6525 ur a restart, he said "doing Mac business", you can do that fine with Intel based Apps.
@@beegyoshi6525 The guy must be writing from 2013\ doesn't realize that there is no hackintosh with M-powered Macs.
Here we go! 🔥🙌🏻 Looking forward to base M4 mini gaming test. 😃
I’ve never seen a more ridiculous review. How many people are actually buying a machine with 48 GPUs? Everyone should have tested the entry-level Mac Mini with 16GB of RAM and 10 GPUs. They could add the results for the 48 GPU version as an extra, I have no issue with that.
i think this was apples last chance to enter gaming. even a 3000€+ system has trouble running recent games at a high resolution with adequate gfx settings. macs will be doomed to be working machines forever unfortunately.
@@MrRickoss Jasný :DD
@@sertdert1006 I think it actually makes sence to make a game-review one of the high-end configurations to demonstrate current gaming power, that Apple can deliver at this moment. :) Of course there will be base M4 mini gaming test, but I don't find anything ridiculous about testing highend M4 Max configuration although its not for everyone.
@@Wavybeing I don't think so. You can't properly run games without native support or very well optimised compatibility/translation layer. If there is something like Rosetta 2, which can basically run x86 apps on M-series ARM Macs with minimum performance loss, but for games, so it would be a different level. Of course, Rosseta 2 is "just" translating x86 Mac apps to ARM, meanwhile most of games are Windows exclusive and its just not as easy as the way Rosetta 2 works.. But my point is the reliability, compatibility and minimum performance loss taken from Rosetta 2 and "put" into some Apple Gaming software which would be able to run Windows games in similar quality as Rosetta 2 can translate x86 apps. :D I believe it can be a GPTK in the future, becasue we can already see a huge performance improvement since GPTK 2.0 b3 was released and its not even a full version, sooo.. Let's hope. :D I also think that official Mac port of Cyberpunk will be pretty good benchmark of Mac capability when speaking about M-series Mac's gaming potential. And when theres actually more and more games bringing Mac port every year, the Mac gaming fate can be once dissolved and huge gaming revolution can begin. :DD When speaking again about Rosetta 2 and M1 Macs release, it took a while until it was actually usable. After release it was comparable to current Windows laptops with new Snapdragon X ARM CPU. Theres huge problem with app compatibility and we'll have to wait until it gets a decent level of usability by time, as soon as developers will begin to adapt to it. I see a similar scenario in case of GPTK. Its something about half a year from GPTK 2.0 first beta release and now we'll have to wait. Developers can now probably see that Apple is taking gaming seriously and that they're actually providing some tools like mentioned GPTK, Metal, etc. to make porting Windows games to Mac for developers easier. So as I said, I see it in a very optimistic way and I hope Macs will be capable gaming machines one day. :D
All these translation layers reminds me of a time when I needed to find an interpreter for Hungarian to Uzbek... there ain't any so we ended up with something like Hungarian to English, English to Spanish, Spanish to Turkish, Turkish to Uzbek...
@mocancosmin5397 the worst thing about this is that crossover has a very little performance impact comparatively and these games are incredibly GPU limited anyway which means that these are running close to native performance - within margin of error.
Mac gaming is still far away, the power budget is nice however and is commendable regardless.
I would love to see this exact same test but with the base M4 chip!
MrMcRight has already done testing M4 Mac Mini on his channel. You may want to check it out.
This is an incredible result considering the overall energy consumption and emulation. Cyberpnk runs at 1080 ga ultra settings as on 4060 through emulation and has twice as little energy consumption!! It's scary to think what will happen in the native version
M4 Max is awesome but $4,000 for upper mid range gaming performance is not.
This is a workstation that’s mobile that can happen to play games. I think people forget that.
Apple could make a gaming laptop by just sticking to 8p cores and 4e cores with 40, 50 and 60 GPU core options with 16, 24 or 32 gbs of ram. No media engines but a wide variety of different color options.
With their tandem OLED screens would be awesome. I’d pay $4000k for that.
Kind of puts things into perspective when PS5 Pro is more powerful for 1/5th the price.
@@budthecyborg4575 The PS5 pro is not more powerful by any means. The max is slightly more powerful but also don’t forget this has media engines a screen, is portable and runs an actual os.
@@GlobalWave1 "their tandem OLED screens" that's developed by Samsung and has been in use by Dell Latitude laptops for the past 4(maybe 3) years.
@@GlobalWave1 Yes the PS5 Pro is more powerful.
RE4 Remake runs better on PS5 Pro than on the M4 Max.
Also, PS5 Pro comes with a 300TOPS NPU to enable PSSR, whereas Apple only put a 38TOPS NPU even on the M4 Max.
Thank you for including Diablo 4, it's really the only game I'm interested in now-a-days!!
thanks for these videos andrew, ill always leave a like. not many ppl are making this kind of content, and exposure for mac gaming does a lot to help the community grow
Thanks alot for the video, it gave me a good perspective on what to expect from those MacBooks! I couldn't find any other for gaming in a quick search.
Damn these were just announced and Andrew already has the 4k RE2 gameplay! Love to see it. Hope you could upload in 4k soon
awesome review. my m4 max (64GB, 2TB) arrives next week. was hoping it can replace my windows desktop (which I use for occasional gaming) and sounds like it definitely can!
what happen with your windows desktop ?
lmao, who’s gonna tell him, guys
It won't. Get a steam deck
Andrew, thank you for your commitment to this community. The insights we get from your tests is very valuable!
Looking forward to how the m4 pro compares to tbe m3/m4 max
I’m looking forward to the M4 pro results and comparison against the max chip
absolutely alien tech. without an indenpend GPU, the games run so great on 4K resolution. Wish someday I can really enjoy CS on MacBook.
2025 needs to be the year that games are released native on Macs.
The fact that it wasn’t plugged in and could still run games like that is super impressive. I can’t even imagine how powerful it can be when it is plugged in.
Its the same but that's the main benefit
@ I don’t think it’s the same because my computer can barely open a chrome tab without being plugged in 💀😭
@@Bob-Guy1127 It is, Macs are so efficient that there's zero difference between plugged in or on battery
@@lukabosnjak3829thx, I didn’t know that
2:58 your M3 Max result is not right! Most probably Low Power mode was enabled, I have tested on my M3 Max 30c GPU and achieved 51FPS on exact same settings (1080p Ultra preset), 40c GPU performance is 25% faster than 30c GPU so real gain of M4 Max 40c vs M3 Max 40c GPU is 20-25% not 55%! You have to avoid mistakes like this, it's huge difference!
Great job with the edit. Can't believe this all came from this morning's live stream. Sarcastically bummed that Wild Animal Racing didn't make the final edit haha
Thank you for the shorter video! love your content
I looove your Mac game test
I hope you acquired the high-end Mac Mini Pro. We are tired of waiting for a new Mac Studio with a max chip and so the loaded mini with 20 GPU cores is looking interesting. Can’t wait to see it tested.
The jump from M3 Max to M4 Max maintained over time puts the M6 as a viable gaming platform for ray traced titles at 60 fps at 1440p. Either chip handles most indie development workloads quite well.
The thing is that the M4 Max is on the level of an RTX 4070 Desktop/RTX 4080 Mobile, yet because of the architecture it runs at way lower speeds on games using translation layers. Something like a used Dell XPS 17 4080 would be better for people who want the slickest design and the best gaming, and it's way cheaper too. Just $3000 on eBay for a refurbished XPS 17 with an i9-13900H, RTX 4080, 4K Touchscreen, 64GB of RAM and 8TB of storage.
$2700 for G16 Zephyrus with 4090 at 240Hz OLED. Better design and performance.
@@GothamEddy literally the 4090 in that thing is a 4070 in any other gaming laptop which is just a 4060. you have zero idea what you're talking about
The are the one who dont know what u are talking about . 4090m smashes 4070m in frame per watt . So the g16 will performe hell way better than any 4070m . The cuda cores diff is huge.
Other thing : 4070M is > 4060 DESKTOP @@RobloxianX
I am so looking forward to the M4 Ultra! Seriously thinking of replacing my M3 Max MBP with that.
his result is not right, real performance gain of M4 Max vs M3 Max is 20-25%. He had low power mode activated on M3 Max probably when tested CP2077
Can they PLEASE build their games for Mac? Most games are developed in Unity or Unreal anyway, they just need to press the compile button ...
Andrew, Please do mac native baldurs gate 3 at that chapter with the most demanding gpu on m4 max. Thanks
Actually that chapter is more cpu demanding because of all the stuff going on in the background
I'd love to see "Sea Power: Naval Combat in the Missile Age" on M4 Max via CrossOver when it releases November 12.
Doesn’t work on Mac unfortunately. At least not at the moment.
WOOOOOOO HERE WE GO!!! (BEEN WAITING FOR THIS)
The most interesting thing for me is the more affordable Options. How much more Performance in Games has the higher Spec M4 Pro against the base Model M4 Pro in the Macbooks.
Would be really awesome if u could compare those in for example Shadow of the Tomb Raider. Thx for all your work man, greetz from Germany !
The difference in practice seems to be quite small (maybe 10% better on average in frames per second on what I've seen) which is partly what made me go with the entry level M4 Pro in the Mac mini I have. But on paper it should be up to 20% better. Not sure if there's an example of that being represented in a game, though.
Literally the video I’ve been waiting on
First I’ve heard of CrossOver. I was shocked how well it worked
This video should be in 4K to understand and see what the real results are. But thank you for your devoting work of showing us games on Mac you're the best in this domain.
Beautiful too
I thinks May be I bought M4MAX for my grand nephew be good for him
That performance already surpasses RTX3090.
I'm now curious to know if M4 Ultra could beat 4090
M4 i slower
this performance is nowhere compared to the 4090 :D
It's just amazing what the M chips can do without using a dedicated external gpu
The Fedora 40 wallpaper in the background :D
Can we get a mac mini base game video? I want to see what the base model can do
I think there is one on tube. Doing fine in 1080. Slight faster than a rx580
Thanks, Andrew for the great video as always
You are doing gods work. Keep it up!
Man! I really wish the arms' games get more recognition, the handheld devices are gonna so much better.
Hopefully soon, due to the insane power, hope more game devs start optimizing games for Mac!
looking forward for the cyberpunk to be released in App Store
amazing gaming performance improvement ❤
Baldur's Gate 3 has native Mac support, would be interesting to see how that runs.
Great Video, but would be interesting to see the comparsion to M1 Max. And could you test TW:Warhammer 3?
Would've loved to have seen Rust tested on the M4 Max. It would give a good idea of the performance difference since you tested it on the M4 Pro.
Super keen to see m4 pro and non pro dun dota 2 ! I believe it has a native Mac support :D
I am getting much higher results in CP2077 with M3M in a 14" MBP: 1080p Ultra + RT in benchmark was 32 fps, I assume the 16" variant you have in the video should be 10-20% higher. Non-RT results are also higher--60 fps at 1080p Ultra. Were you using high perf mode?
Exactly. His result is not right, real performance gain of M4 Max vs M3 Max is 20-25%. He had low power mode activated on M3 Max probably when tested CP2077
One aspect that I am particularly interested in is the temperature at which the small chip is operating.
m4 and m4 pro on MAC Mini.
That's the hot topic I'm looking forward to
Okay yeah the gaming is possible, but the benchmarks I've seen do not translate in to gaming at all, atleast not through crossover etc. I used to have a gaming PC with similar benchmarks to the base M4, but it had pretty much double the framerates compared to M4 max! So just for anyone getting excited about the benchmarks, they do not mean anything when compared to PC in terms of gaming.
Lmao, right, this is all what it's about. Ppl always bragging with useless benchmarks but m4 and m4 pro chips aren't well optimized at all for any type of gaming. Just buy a half priced gaming laptop and it will do better 99% of the time in terms of gaming.
What I find a big step forward and I have a gaming PC, is simply the power consumption ingenious what is possible when you compare the consumption ..... what an RTX 4090 takes for it. Too bad that not every game will come otherwise I would sell my gaming PC and only own a Macbook. At the moment I only have a Macbook Air M2 and a Windows gaming PC.
Love the video, just a game you could try is BeamNG drive, its known for being taxing even for the RTX4090 so i would love to see how it runs on M4 max it is windows only though so translation would be neccessary
CS:GO on mac would be awesome. Looking forward for it
This is CRAZY DUDE
M4 Max's GPU is starting to get insanely close to the mobile dGPU options available from NVIDIA on Windows laptops. It might not be M4 Max, but M5 Max might very well make the MacBook Pro the ultimate mobile workstation that just so happens to game effortlessly, and I can't wait until it becomes actually viable that I might be able to dump my RTX 4080 Razer Blade for a laptop just as capable while being 1000x more energy efficient.
If you also ordered the M4 Pro by chance, I'd love to see a performance comparison to the M4 Max.
Quite interesting. Much more of a performance delta between the M3 Max and M4 Max than one would expect - certainly more than 25% and closer to 50%. Could this be related to memory bandwidth?
More rpcs3 please and thank you!
It would be cool when the Cyberpunk 2077 port for Mac comes out, to make a comparison of how it ran emulated and how it runs natively, so we can see that Macs are really capable of running AAA titles if they were native. Once we have the native Cyberpunk, we could even look into what hardware would be necessary to run it similarly on Windows to finally have good comparisons of Mac's power.
yeah I need to see binned vs unbinned m4 pro chip. I’m still considering whether it’s worth upgrading
Can‘t wait for the M5 max when I can finally afford it.
Would love to see you test Valheim for all M4 chips.
I really hope you put more emphasis on the base M4 Mac Mini, as this is single-handedly the most bought item.
Hey, I was wondering if the 14-inch MacBook Pro with the top-end chips like M4 Max or M3 Max would have any heating issues or performance drops when gaming for a while? Just want to make sure it can handle longer gaming sessions without slowing down.
It did on the M3 Max. You can expect the same on the M4 Max. Honestly, I love the 14” but I’d not push more than the Pro.
30c GPU M3 Max is fine, hot but no performance drops so OK. 40c was too hot so this year there's no 40c GPU version of 14" MBP.
Appreciate you for this info! Do you have the Silent Hill 2 Remake? I’ve been playing it on my M1 Pro and would like to see how it runs on the M4 Max as this would be one of my big upgrade factors if it’s any better.
Yooooooo tysm for making this
Atleast in resident evil 4, this is crazy level performace. My RTX 4070 gets similar performance.
That's when the game is native... And its doing it on battery
Because RE4 has ray-tracing on PC, and Mac port hasn't got it yet. I have one and it does gets similar performance when ray-tracing is on.
@@Wayne-sn6qy I've just looked at it, in Re4 ray tracing basically doesn't make a difference and its still comparable to the Rtx 4070 - 4070ti (without ray tracing at 4k)
You mean desktop 4070 wtf that's impressive
@@Wayne-sn6qy I’m talking withhout RT
Would love to see something like Baldur's Gate 3 tested for the base M4 on the Mini
Great review. Can you please compare M3 Max and M4 Pro. Now I don't know which one to buy.
Thanks for the great test! :) ... what bout the fan noise and coil whine? very loud or annoying?
Can you please try POOLS?
Apple announced it's gonna become native at some point, but I want to see how good it runs especially since its a highly demanding photorealistic game.
M4 Pro will be Great.
YES! FINALY! MAC FOR ENTERTEIMENT!
thank you for including minecraft!
Everyone is shooting a review on the m4 max, but most people will buy the m4 and m4 pro, I want to see a review on these chips. So it is clear that the m4 max will run very well
I'm very curious how hot these Macs are running these games, especially on titles running on translation layers and high fidelity graphics.
Great review! Does anyone know if Diablo IV or POE II is coming natively to Mac?
Thank you for testing war thunder!
The fact that the mac wasn't even plugged in is so insane my windows laptop literally can't push gpu over 30w without charger
Any chance to try out Path of Exile? Wondering if we can push 144hz. Have my 128GB M4 Max coming soon and cant wait to see it!
you should benchmark these with bg3 too
I hope compared with Apple Silicon native and Rosetta 2 (Intel Base games).
I tried run Rosetta 2 games on M1 normal Mac mini. A little bit stacked.
(Possibly the memory bandwidth issue)
Thank you for your review‼️
I would love to see the m4 pro see how the ps3 emulator for Infamous 1 + 2
I can’t wait for an Apple IOS version of Warhammer 40:000: Space Marine 2.
‼️ please test the MacBook M4 Max in the game STALKER 2 which will be released on November 20, 2024 this game has many fans and it will be interesting to see what the MacBook is capable of
thanks my man
Let’s do the base M4 max and the 20 core M4 Pro
It's a big improvement for the Mac but it's just not competitive with a gaming PC.
Jesus, what a chip!
HI Andrew. I have the M4 Max MBP 128gb. It's a beast. I was wondering though -- have you seen any hard OS freezes or system restarts with Crossover?
I have had this happen to me around 5 times when installing Steam in bottles per CrossOver game on this MBP. I've also had a comparable freeze while running Death Stranding from the App Store. I'm hoping it's a software issue until apps are built with the new M4 chip in mind.
Love your videos, thanks for making this sort of content for us.
I had this happen a few times when playing Phasmophobia through Crossover on 14" M3 Pro MBP. No longer use Crossover because Im worried about losing work or corrupting files when it completely hard restarts my machine with no warning. Id honestly prefer a Windows blue-screen than this because at least it lets you know whats happening.
Haven't had it happen outside of Crossover though, but will watch out for it on native games too if you're also having issues with App Store games.
M4 pro 14 core CPU 20 Core GPU 48g ram and 2 tb ssd okay for gaming too? just would like to have a sweet game installed so i can play when ever. something like a fps. thanks!
What are the thermals like when playing games?
I want you to try more car games like F1, The Crew, iRacing, Forza Horizon and other iconic car games.