They certainly did their homework on their aero, I will give them that. That car has good all around downforce and was getting faster while having almost no tire degradation during the race.
That’s actually quite smart lol, gather info on all the teams aero developments, implement them for gains, THEN study them so you can develop it independently & implement it properly into the car
@@BSport320 yes please I have been reading and seeing videos everywhere but I still can't identify the main problem for lack of df. Maybe if you tell us how a 'peaky downforce' setup works and what it needs to work properly we could understand more. Thanks a lot for the nice content !!
I really appreciate the amount of knowledge and effort behind these videos and the way you present it all such concisely with no bs! I'm looking forward to see Aston martin finish p2 in the constructors but even more than that i want to see alonso get into more epic battles for podiums!
They built a brilliant " base line car" as said by Alonso. Can only imagine if they are able to keep developing the car and pushing it they will end this season in second place behind RB and can even challenge RB if reliability becomes an issue with Honda engine.
Ferrari is called Bathtub. The Slide that AM doing here is quiet original, or at least it's in my opinion an extreme adaptation of Alpine's concept by the end of last season.
I was very impressed by the depth of the upper waterslides. Well spotted. This really was not apparent before (I need some new glasses perhaps). Thank you for pointing out how it works.
@@BSport320 Let's say we are M-B with no budget left to do aero work or to modify the X chassis. Would it not be possible to push the rads out and try an S duct through the indentation in the sides of the X (as Ferrari and possibly Alpine) have done. Would this help as it cannot be that expensive to prepare new external panels ?
In theory, wouldn't water to air intercoolers also let you run a shorter overall intake improving throttle response slightly? Doubt it would make much of a difference, but when the entire field is less than 2s apart in qualifying, any bit of extra confidence for the drivers is a major bonus.
Never has a team made such a step up in purchase in performance before, teams like Williams and Mercedes have no choice but to admit they got it wrong. Budget cap and Wind tunnel really let the teams that are efficient and effective shine through. I hope they get P2 to at least send a message together teams
That is what some people don't understand. The man helped create the RB18 but had to leave midway into the process. He can not unlearn what he helped develop with his own ideas. Of course he would bring his knowledge of that concept to his new team along with the team that moved with him and were equally involved. I don't understand the surprise and moaning by the Redbull.
@@ediltonspencer6974 Horner especially loves creating drama. Marko just out there to muddy the waters to say "our concept is the best see? AMR is RB too!" F1 has become high school drama.
@@ediltonspencer6974 Why you take those jokes seriously? Or you also don't understand that it is in fact just a friendly jokes? Come on man, Did you think they would mind too much if Aston create a lot of headache for Toto??
@@orbit1894 Helmut is the one who creating the drama.. Horner and Checo just joking around towards their fellow friends.. Sadly Helmut is too old and too grumpy he wouldn't understand the jokes.. I mean Redbull cannot asking for any better situation than this.. A. Their fellow friends Dan did a great job in his new team Aston.. B. Aston outperformed RB's bitter rivals Merc while using the same engine and some spare parts as Merc C. Not only Aston doesn't have a proper facility yet, they also use the same wind tunnel facility as Merc and get a better results than Merc If Redbull seriously wanted to make Drama, they would go straight to FIA demanding some penalties for Aston..
It really is an impressive step up in performance, hopefully they can find upgrades that bring them regular podiums. You should make a video on your time at Aston Martin when you guys introduced the pink Mercedes. Like was it an actual exact copy and what all the aero guys thought just copying a car. Would be nice to learn the truth from someone who was there👍🏻
@@BSport320 I presume you probably are under nda about the aero work you guys did back then. It was impressive stuff regardless of the inspiration. Good on you and your peers! 👍
You can tell Dan this time Aston Martin really did their homework in the wind tunnels. They also made sure to give themselves a very big performance window, this allows them to go down several path as far as technology.
2:04 that's funny cus in the 'old days', i.e. newey's days at mclaren, his aero was peak performance centred, while rory byrne used to make well balanced designs at ferrari. now it's suddenly the opposite - ferrari with higher peak but rbr more well distributed aero
I have to say I was wrong about this car on first look. It seemed like a weird amalgam of 2022 Mercedes, Ferrari & Red Bull, but as we’ve got to know it, the AMR-23 has taken some of the top-side concepts in its own direction. The car design looks more unified than at launch, this something that happened with last year’s Ferrari, that also looked disjointed at launch. The underfloor is likely closer to Red Bull which is good as that seems a more stable concept, as is the Mercedes suspension that’s more pliable than last year. Its made a good start and its impressive the drivers were caught out by how early they could put the power down when fighting the Ferrari and Mercedes out of tight corners. Got worry Mercedes that their chassis is not exploiting the AMG engine to its maximum.
Great video as always. Isn't there supposed to be a trick some clever trick with the front suspension or is it just designed extremely well. I've heard that redbull and AM suspension performs much better than everyone else, given that AM use mercs rear suspension wouldn't this mean both teams have done something special in the front?
That is very possible. Both suspensions (RedBull and AMR) are soft but can deal with lots of downforce without touching the ground too much. We need more detailed pictures to study the exact design.
With the extra development budget and wind tunnel time they have combined with the issue Mercedes and Ferrari have I believe AM will finish p2 this year. Can't wait for the years to come as they are just getting started IMO.
For example in pre DRS time, teams stalled the flap to have a drag advantage. Stalling the rear wing flap also meant less support for the diffuser and in some cases this flow also stalled. But these things depend on ambient conditions, temperature etc. There were bad accidents because reattachment wasn't fast enough and this doesn't give the driver confidence.
Isn't this an interpretation of the Williams FW44 A-spec ramp style sidepod? Aston only added an physical wall to push tyre wake out whereas Williams were trying that by pushing air from a vent in the sidepod.
Do the sidepod slides work at all speeds or are they tuned for a speed range? They just seem so steep so quickly. Love your videos. Great info very concisely delivered. It's great that your doing more at the moment.
Hey Martin, quick question, don't we find it surprising that Dan and other key members were not slapped with an aggressive gardening leave considering that he would've been working closely with the design team, its seems crazy that they jumped teams pretty much mid-season. and when are teams allowed to do that? I ask because we always hear about people from the FIA being slapped with multi year gardening leaves when they decide to join a team, couldn't imagine RB didn't try everything in their power to extend that transition period.
Gardening leave wasn't controlled by FIA.. Each team has their own rules and reasons to use it or not.. Redbull is not afraid at all if Dan would use the similar concept as RB18 in Aston.. Redbull is highly competitive team, they believe in their own staff's can beat Aston all year long... they had more experience, more data and more ready facility than Aston.. Heck they even had the balls to compete against Honda engine in 2026, despite the fact that they never make a single engine before
I think it says a lot about that cars performance and potential that Red Bull are orchestrating a smear campaign against it. That to me is the biggest tell that they do feel that the AMR23 is actual threat to them.
To me it seems like this sidepod design would be extremely easy for mercedes to implement given their sidepods are so compact. The key difference would be aston not using the x chassis but likely using more center mounted radiators/cooling while mercedes having less center mounted chassis but utilizing the x chassis. I can't imagine mercedes easily beating aston by following them in this path but I could see it possibly happening given how much design freedom they have with their radiators and crash structure not impeding their sidepods.
I started to take AM seriously when they revealed the armchair rear wing. To introduce a fenced rear wing in a no fence ruleset was up there with DAS and F ducts imo. I hope that the team get behind Alonso and don't spoil his chances by favouring Lance (no hate on Lance but Alonso is by far the better driver).
Very true. the bib wing and armchair rear wing proved again last year, that they are not just copying, they also have great ideas themselves. Other points being their 2016 nose design, 2017 Singapore update etc...
Very true. the bib wing and armchair rear wing proved again last year, that they are not just copying, they also have great ideas themselves. Other points being their 2016 nose design, 2017 Singapore update etc...
This was a good review and I think Aston Martin will be second in the construction championship. But I think Alonzo can win a few races like Monaco and Monza
The AM looks really good. The W14, though, looks stupid, and looks very fat behind the driver, kinda fat like Williams was in 2021, when compared to other cars. I don't see how they can change all they need in time to be competing this year. Can't wait for your video on the W14. Great vid!
Last year when aston martin copied the sidepods, they were one of the slowest team. But this time they improved a lot, is it because what matters the most is design of the floor and underneath the floor for generating high downforce? I think last time they didnt get the floor correct.
drawing down air and shooting it in the direction of the already expanding defuser air, helping it further expand? It could also draw higher layers of air down into the rear wing area? idk just theorising:)
Because everything is curved in that area it looks like they dip down and go back up but they don't. They dip down and stay there. You can also see it on the floor picture in this video.
Id say the AMR23 is comparable to RB's 2022 car, the RB18, but slightly faster (kph/mph) because of the Merc engine. Id say that they are on par with Ferrari this year. Tracks with light tire deg, Ferrari is quicker, but tracks with higher deg, AM23 is quicker since it is a lot easier on the tires. The Ferrari is a tire eating machine.
Its all in the front suspension and underbody. Everything else adds to it. Sidepods might not play as big of a role as we all think. Theres benefits to having and not having them
I‘m surprised the ramps can be sloped that much without risking separation. Could they use the slot in the bodywork to suck away the boundary layer at the start of the ramp?
That could be done but I doubt they need this (You would need lower pressure than on the sidepod to do this). The boundary layer is not very thick at this point because the sidepod just started and the air didn't travel for long yet. The slope ramps down gently, there are no stickers and you shouldn't underestimate the rear mirror stay vortex, which can help a lot.
@@BSport320 You’re right, the boundary layer won’t be too thick up to this point. Was just surprised to see a panel gap right at the start of the ramp. Although it could be used to trip the BL and make sure it’s turbulent. What could they do with the mirror stay vortex? Thanks for the answer! An idea for a video or a question I have respectively: Is the air traveling through a wind tunnel model warmed up to get the proper expansion and what about the exhaust flow? Cheers!
Since last year even though copying red bull didnt gave good results Mercedes might have thought its not the sidepods, it may be the suspension of red bull thats making them fast and no porpoising, Hence mercedes stuck with their own concept. But now seeing aston matin I 100% believe they will move to almost same direction
AMR23 has alot of inspiration taken up and down the grid. But to put it together and with upgrades in the pipeline line, how tight of rope are they balancing on? You thoughts? Like work of art was there even a time where the more improvisation the worst it become?
Can you do a video talking about the features of the rear of Mercedes ? The rear suspension region and the difference in the tyre wake compared to Red Bull for example. Their outwash seems to be weaker than last year's for some reason.
Do you think Mercedes might abandon the X-Chassis if they bring wider sidepods? As the new regulations require large sidepods due to the lack of bargeboards, there is no need to have such a compact chassis with a higher CoG. Or am I wrong.
I agree, that’s a good point. But changing the chassis cost a lot of resources and money. Also, it‘s a nice problem to have to habe too much space underneath the side pods. I would expect them to keep their chassis as it is this year and maybe optimize it a bit towards a normal shape next year.
Amazing breakdown, makes you think how Mercedes said their data suggests the bigger side pods provided the same level of performance as the skinny side pods but you then hear Aston Martin saying the real life performance exceeded what there data suggested of the bigger side pod concept. Is Mercedes being mislead by the data??
Thanks! I would guess that the correlation between what they see on screen and reality isn't the best. You only design the car for a few driving situations but reality is much more complex.
At 3 € Aston Martin Stock is incredibly cheap right now! With this car and Fernando being on the podium, and on top with Lawrence Stroll as CEO, Aston Martin has a bright future ahead AND IS A GOOD INVESTMENT! 🏎 🚀 😄
The only negative of Astons car is it's a bit draggy compared to the others in the top 4, that tells me while very good it's still not as efficient as the Ferrari and RB designs, Mercedes speed advantage looks to be coming fron a lack of downforce.
A car with lots of downforce naturally has a bit more drag. They also set it up with a bit more downforce for Bahrain, so let's see how it works on other tracks.
Near its mid-point the ARM23's waterslide goes deeper than it is at the back and then has a significant upward kick where it goes over the diffuser. Does the kick serve a purpose in itself or is it more about maximising the volume inside the waterslide to suck in more airflow?
On some pictures it looks like there is a kick up because everything is curved in this area, but there is no kick. It just ramps down to the floor and stays there. You can see it in the floor picture in this video as well.
I think Red Bull and Aston Martin are using flexi floors. In case of Aston Martin, rarely do you see a team gain almost 2.5 sec. over winter just by a good base concept. Good for them but there's on both cars a trick, that's for sure. Either legal or illegal, we will find out.
Whatever you think of ole man Stroll, there is no doubt he wants to win and will stop at nothing to bring in the brightest and the best to make this happen. He'll cut away any non-performers and doesn't care what people think (eg his team copying other winning designs/formulas) - in his head, the end justifies the means. If only Ferrari was this ruthless!
No doubt all those new clickbait TH-cam channels are going to make a sensational video copying your work. I hope I'm wrong. I turn them off every time, it's just their titles are so captivating
@@BSport320 Red Bull's outer fence looks a lot like Ferrari's 2017 bargeboard main section. Also if you compare all the other teams, Red Bull, Williams, Alpine, and Aston Martin have the outer fence closer to the front wheels than the others. Ferrari, Mercedes, and the rest have the outer fences more inboard resulting in a narrower inlet to the floor tunnels.
@@BSport320 It makes sense if you think about the tunnel vortex, since it is driven by the fences, you'd want to create the biggest pressure differential to make it stronger. So maximizing the volume and flow into the underfloor fences, would create the strongest pressure for the fences to work with.
I think the Red Bull and Ferrari engines produce more power than Mercedes or the Mercedes has more low end torque, but lacks top speed like a pickup truck.
they adapted things, because the main key was the loophole they found: the floor. with that solved, they just took vision from other places (if you want to put it like that, cause we are talking about a team lead by former newey's right hand) and adapted those to fit those to the car in the best way
Aston Martin is building up a good record of recent aero creativity.
We can be excited about more aero innovations from them this year.
Was this a joke because of 2020 and now this ?
An then the completion of their large facility / workshop will carry it all further.
They certainly did their homework on their aero, I will give them that. That car has good all around downforce and was getting faster while having almost no tire degradation during the race.
That’s actually quite smart lol, gather info on all the teams aero developments, implement them for gains, THEN study them so you can develop it independently & implement it properly into the car
Can you do the same about W14 and theories on what is causing them problems? aston martin has the same components
Good idea, I will put it on my list.
@@BSport320 yes please I have been reading and seeing videos everywhere but I still can't identify the main problem for lack of df. Maybe if you tell us how a 'peaky downforce' setup works and what it needs to work properly we could understand more. Thanks a lot for the nice content !!
I really appreciate the amount of knowledge and effort behind these videos and the way you present it all such concisely with no bs! I'm looking forward to see Aston martin finish p2 in the constructors but even more than that i want to see alonso get into more epic battles for podiums!
My pleasure!
They built a brilliant " base line car" as said by Alonso. Can only imagine if they are able to keep developing the car and pushing it they will end this season in second place behind RB and can even challenge RB if reliability becomes an issue with Honda engine.
I love how they took the rb sidepods and combined them with the Ferrari downwashing "waterslides". Wonder if rb or am has the better design there.
Ferrari is called Bathtub. The Slide that AM doing here is quiet original, or at least it's in my opinion an extreme adaptation of Alpine's concept by the end of last season.
I was very impressed by the depth of the upper waterslides. Well spotted. This really was not apparent before (I need some new glasses perhaps). Thank you for pointing out how it works.
Glad it was helpful!
@@BSport320 Let's say we are M-B with no budget left to do aero work or to modify the X chassis.
Would it not be possible to push the rads out and try an S duct through the indentation in the sides of the X (as Ferrari and possibly Alpine) have done. Would this help as it cannot be that expensive to prepare new external panels ?
Glad you got a sponsor now :D
Thanks!
In theory, wouldn't water to air intercoolers also let you run a shorter overall intake improving throttle response slightly? Doubt it would make much of a difference, but when the entire field is less than 2s apart in qualifying, any bit of extra confidence for the drivers is a major bonus.
Yes, it's a much shorter intake system with less volume.
It's not light and adds complexity, but it's worth for an aero advantage.
@@BSport320 Interesting that they are using a heavier solution and still are under weight!
Another key component of the car is Fernando Alonso Díaz lol 🤣
Oh that's true, another hidden detail^^
Never has a team made such a step up in purchase in performance before, teams like Williams and Mercedes have no choice but to admit they got it wrong. Budget cap and Wind tunnel really let the teams that are efficient and effective shine through. I hope they get P2 to at least send a message together teams
Dan Fallows was part of the RB18 team, it'd be surprising if they had went a totally different direction to RB.
That is what some people don't understand. The man helped create the RB18 but had to leave midway into the process. He can not unlearn what he helped develop with his own ideas. Of course he would bring his knowledge of that concept to his new team along with the team that moved with him and were equally involved. I don't understand the surprise and moaning by the Redbull.
@@ediltonspencer6974 Horner especially loves creating drama. Marko just out there to muddy the waters to say "our concept is the best see? AMR is RB too!" F1 has become high school drama.
@@ediltonspencer6974 Why you take those jokes seriously? Or you also don't understand that it is in fact just a friendly jokes?
Come on man, Did you think they would mind too much if Aston create a lot of headache for Toto??
@@orbit1894 Helmut is the one who creating the drama.. Horner and Checo just joking around towards their fellow friends.. Sadly Helmut is too old and too grumpy he wouldn't understand the jokes..
I mean Redbull cannot asking for any better situation than this..
A. Their fellow friends Dan did a great job in his new team Aston..
B. Aston outperformed RB's bitter rivals Merc while using the same engine and some spare parts as Merc
C. Not only Aston doesn't have a proper facility yet, they also use the same wind tunnel facility as Merc and get a better results than Merc
If Redbull seriously wanted to make Drama, they would go straight to FIA demanding some penalties for Aston..
could you make more videos like this for the other teams too. videos that breakdown both the internal features and the external ones.
I put it on my list!
Excellent insight! Thank you for sharing!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Congrats on the sponsorship!
Great deep dive👍🏻👍🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Glad you liked it!
Sad your customer is beating you. We will have to cover this over the rest of the season. Good vid
The only video about the AMR23 I was waiting for
Thanks!
They're the only team that can challenge RB with a few more updates. Go on Nando!
As s person who makes parts for Aston production cars I'm very proud of what they're achieving.
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It really is an impressive step up in performance, hopefully they can find upgrades that bring them regular podiums.
You should make a video on your time at Aston Martin when you guys introduced the pink Mercedes. Like was it an actual exact copy and what all the aero guys thought just copying a car. Would be nice to learn the truth from someone who was there👍🏻
Maybe at some point I can give some background info on that
@@BSport320 I presume you probably are under nda about the aero work you guys did back then. It was impressive stuff regardless of the inspiration. Good on you and your peers! 👍
You can tell Dan this time Aston Martin really did their homework in the wind tunnels. They also made sure to give themselves a very big performance window, this allows them to go down several path as far as technology.
Hope Aston can keep upgrading their aero throughout the season... They do have more wind tunnel time than merc , RB and Ferrari
2:04 that's funny cus in the 'old days', i.e. newey's days at mclaren, his aero was peak performance centred, while rory byrne used to make well balanced designs at ferrari. now it's suddenly the opposite - ferrari with higher peak but rbr more well distributed aero
Thanks for the extensive analysis!
I was wondering how deep the waterslide goes, no I can see...
East Answer is Dan fallows!!!
I have to say I was wrong about this car on first look. It seemed like a weird amalgam of 2022 Mercedes, Ferrari & Red Bull, but as we’ve got to know it, the AMR-23 has taken some of the top-side concepts in its own direction. The car design looks more unified than at launch, this something that happened with last year’s Ferrari, that also looked disjointed at launch. The underfloor is likely closer to Red Bull which is good as that seems a more stable concept, as is the Mercedes suspension that’s more pliable than last year. Its made a good start and its impressive the drivers were caught out by how early they could put the power down when fighting the Ferrari and Mercedes out of tight corners. Got worry Mercedes that their chassis is not exploiting the AMG engine to its maximum.
The minute I saw the AMR23 I knew we were gonna have a fighter on our hands
Great video as always. Isn't there supposed to be a trick some clever trick with the front suspension or is it just designed extremely well. I've heard that redbull and AM suspension performs much better than everyone else, given that AM use mercs rear suspension wouldn't this mean both teams have done something special in the front?
That is very possible. Both suspensions (RedBull and AMR) are soft but can deal with lots of downforce without touching the ground too much.
We need more detailed pictures to study the exact design.
This is a high quality video
With the extra development budget and wind tunnel time they have combined with the issue Mercedes and Ferrari have I believe AM will finish p2 this year. Can't wait for the years to come as they are just getting started IMO.
could you elaborate more about 2:20 "concepts that rely on certain flow separations in some situations"?
For example in pre DRS time, teams stalled the flap to have a drag advantage. Stalling the rear wing flap also meant less support for the diffuser and in some cases this flow also stalled.
But these things depend on ambient conditions, temperature etc.
There were bad accidents because reattachment wasn't fast enough and this doesn't give the driver confidence.
Isn't this an interpretation of the Williams FW44 A-spec ramp style sidepod?
Aston only added an physical wall to push tyre wake out whereas Williams were trying that by pushing air from a vent in the sidepod.
It’s a very similar shape. Simply the most aggressive downwards ramp possible.
But the Williams side pods were narrower overall.
Great video! Worthy of becoming a new Sub! Great job my friend!
Awesome, thank you!
Excellent thank you.
Glad it was helpful!
Great video and analysis, please more! Anyhow, looking at the AM, only one thing came to my mind: beauty of purpose. There's sexiness in efficiency.
Do the sidepod slides work at all speeds or are they tuned for a speed range? They just seem so steep so quickly. Love your videos. Great info very concisely delivered. It's great that your doing more at the moment.
Hey Martin, quick question, don't we find it surprising that Dan and other key members were not slapped with an aggressive gardening leave considering that he would've been working closely with the design team, its seems crazy that they jumped teams pretty much mid-season. and when are teams allowed to do that? I ask because we always hear about people from the FIA being slapped with multi year gardening leaves when they decide to join a team, couldn't imagine RB didn't try everything in their power to extend that transition period.
Gardening leave wasn't controlled by FIA.. Each team has their own rules and reasons to use it or not.. Redbull is not afraid at all if Dan would use the similar concept as RB18 in Aston.. Redbull is highly competitive team, they believe in their own staff's can beat Aston all year long... they had more experience, more data and more ready facility than Aston.. Heck they even had the balls to compete against Honda engine in 2026, despite the fact that they never make a single engine before
I think it says a lot about that cars performance and potential that Red Bull are orchestrating a smear campaign against it. That to me is the biggest tell that they do feel that the AMR23 is actual threat to them.
Excellent video…best tech analysis I’ve seen on the Aston.
AM used the regulations to manage tire wake which let them focus on getting more from the floor.
To me it seems like this sidepod design would be extremely easy for mercedes to implement given their sidepods are so compact. The key difference would be aston not using the x chassis but likely using more center mounted radiators/cooling while mercedes having less center mounted chassis but utilizing the x chassis. I can't imagine mercedes easily beating aston by following them in this path but I could see it possibly happening given how much design freedom they have with their radiators and crash structure not impeding their sidepods.
I started to take AM seriously when they revealed the armchair rear wing. To introduce a fenced rear wing in a no fence ruleset was up there with DAS and F ducts imo.
I hope that the team get behind Alonso and don't spoil his chances by favouring Lance (no hate on Lance but Alonso is by far the better driver).
Very true. the bib wing and armchair rear wing proved again last year, that they are not just copying, they also have great ideas themselves.
Other points being their 2016 nose design, 2017 Singapore update etc...
Very true. the bib wing and armchair rear wing proved again last year, that they are not just copying, they also have great ideas themselves.
Other points being their 2016 nose design, 2017 Singapore update etc...
This was a good review and I think Aston Martin will be second in the construction championship. But I think Alonzo can win a few races like Monaco and Monza
These videos are really good thx 🤘🏼Go Alonso!🏁
Glad you like them!
Wow only after 1 or so yrs those high rake previous gen cars already look so unfamiliar and strange
The AM looks really good. The W14, though, looks stupid, and looks very fat behind the driver, kinda fat like Williams was in 2021, when compared to other cars. I don't see how they can change all they need in time to be competing this year. Can't wait for your video on the W14. Great vid!
Last year when aston martin copied the sidepods, they were one of the slowest team.
But this time they improved a lot, is it because what matters the most is design of the floor and underneath the floor for generating high downforce?
I think last time they didnt get the floor correct.
The Asston Martin is a good looking car. So hot right now. #MagicAlonso
One question I have about these water slide side pods, why do they dip down and go back up?
drawing down air and shooting it in the direction of the already expanding defuser air, helping it further expand? It could also draw higher layers of air down into the rear wing area? idk just theorising:)
Because everything is curved in that area it looks like they dip down and go back up but they don't. They dip down and stay there.
You can also see it on the floor picture in this video.
Id say the AMR23 is comparable to RB's 2022 car, the RB18, but slightly faster (kph/mph) because of the Merc engine. Id say that they are on par with Ferrari this year. Tracks with light tire deg, Ferrari is quicker, but tracks with higher deg, AM23 is quicker since it is a lot easier on the tires. The Ferrari is a tire eating machine.
Best looking car on the grid. By far.
Its all in the front suspension and underbody. Everything else adds to it. Sidepods might not play as big of a role as we all think. Theres benefits to having and not having them
realy nice job my friend on that!!
bravo...I'm impress!!👊
Thanks a lot!
I‘m surprised the ramps can be sloped that much without risking separation. Could they use the slot in the bodywork to suck away the boundary layer at the start of the ramp?
That could be done but I doubt they need this (You would need lower pressure than on the sidepod to do this). The boundary layer is not very thick at this point because the sidepod just started and the air didn't travel for long yet.
The slope ramps down gently, there are no stickers and you shouldn't underestimate the rear mirror stay vortex, which can help a lot.
@@BSport320 You’re right, the boundary layer won’t be too thick up to this point. Was just surprised to see a panel gap right at the start of the ramp. Although it could be used to trip the BL and make sure it’s turbulent. What could they do with the mirror stay vortex?
Thanks for the answer!
An idea for a video or a question I have respectively: Is the air traveling through a wind tunnel model warmed up to get the proper expansion and what about the exhaust flow? Cheers!
Since last year even though copying red bull didnt gave good results
Mercedes might have thought its not the sidepods, it may be the suspension of red bull thats making them fast and no porpoising,
Hence mercedes stuck with their own concept.
But now seeing aston matin I 100% believe they will move to almost same direction
Thank you kind Sir!
Its newey vs fallows, verstapen vs fernando
Finally... good job...Alonso Martin
AMR23 has alot of inspiration taken up and down the grid. But to put it together and with upgrades in the pipeline line, how tight of rope are they balancing on? You thoughts? Like work of art was there even a time where the more improvisation the worst it become?
Can you do a video talking about the features of the rear of Mercedes ? The rear suspension region and the difference in the tyre wake compared to Red Bull for example.
Their outwash seems to be weaker than last year's for some reason.
I will put it on my list
@@BSport320 thank you 🙏🙏
Do you think Mercedes might abandon the X-Chassis if they bring wider sidepods? As the new regulations require large sidepods due to the lack of bargeboards, there is no need to have such a compact chassis with a higher CoG. Or am I wrong.
I agree, that’s a good point. But changing the chassis cost a lot of resources and money. Also, it‘s a nice problem to have to habe too much space underneath the side pods.
I would expect them to keep their chassis as it is this year and maybe optimize it a bit towards a normal shape next year.
@@BSport320 Yeah. It's what is being talked about right now. Thank you for answering
Amazing breakdown, makes you think how Mercedes said their data suggests the bigger side pods provided the same level of performance as the skinny side pods but you then hear Aston Martin saying the real life performance exceeded what there data suggested of the bigger side pod concept. Is Mercedes being mislead by the data??
Thanks! I would guess that the correlation between what they see on screen and reality isn't the best. You only design the car for a few driving situations but reality is much more complex.
At 3 € Aston Martin Stock is incredibly cheap right now! With this car and Fernando being on the podium, and on top with Lawrence Stroll as CEO, Aston Martin has a bright future ahead AND IS A GOOD INVESTMENT! 🏎 🚀 😄
The only negative of Astons car is it's a bit draggy compared to the others in the top 4, that tells me while very good it's still not as efficient as the Ferrari and RB designs, Mercedes speed advantage looks to be coming fron a lack of downforce.
A car with lots of downforce naturally has a bit more drag. They also set it up with a bit more downforce for Bahrain, so let's see how it works on other tracks.
Many thanks and very interesting. What are the "water slides"?
The deep channels on the top side of the sidepods are what we call water slides.
@@BSport320 Aha, many thanks!
@@BSport320 PS, I see we are both Cranfield alumni.. Different disciplines though
assuming ferrari stays true to their unreliable self a p2 constructors may be possible for am
Toto Wolff is now taking notes
Will red bull copy the aston martin deep gully on sidepods?
It's not a bad idea, but I still suspect Red Bull is using internal flow through the sidepod to bring energy in the same area.
Near its mid-point the ARM23's waterslide goes deeper than it is at the back and then has a significant upward kick where it goes over the diffuser. Does the kick serve a purpose in itself or is it more about maximising the volume inside the waterslide to suck in more airflow?
On some pictures it looks like there is a kick up because everything is curved in this area, but there is no kick. It just ramps down to the floor and stays there. You can see it in the floor picture in this video as well.
@@BSport320 But doesn't the floor itself kick up because the diffuser does?
I think Red Bull and Aston Martin are using flexi floors. In case of Aston Martin, rarely do you see a team gain almost 2.5 sec. over winter just by a good base concept.
Good for them but there's on both cars a trick, that's for sure. Either legal or illegal, we will find out.
if they passed the fia's regulations, for sure those cars are legal
@@ArielGonzalez1 until other teams find out, snitch to mommy and get it banned
Whatever you think of ole man Stroll, there is no doubt he wants to win and will stop at nothing to bring in the brightest and the best to make this happen. He'll cut away any non-performers and doesn't care what people think (eg his team copying other winning designs/formulas) - in his head, the end justifies the means. If only Ferrari was this ruthless!
Looks Mercedes should hire you.
Vettel: sigh ☹️
It is going to be interesting to see how fast mercedes can sort out their big issues and fight back like last season
Let them cook
No doubt all those new clickbait TH-cam channels are going to make a sensational video copying your work. I hope I'm wrong. I turn them off every time, it's just their titles are so captivating
Mercedes needs those side walls, their design just isn't working.
Let’s goooo
P3 is possible
I would argue the outer fence is a bargeboard.
Yes, it's the "I'm not a bargeboard"-bargeboard.
But still, it's way simpler than previous bargeboard areas.
@@BSport320 Red Bull's outer fence looks a lot like Ferrari's 2017 bargeboard main section. Also if you compare all the other teams, Red Bull, Williams, Alpine, and Aston Martin have the outer fence closer to the front wheels than the others.
Ferrari, Mercedes, and the rest have the outer fences more inboard resulting in a narrower inlet to the floor tunnels.
@@BSport320 It makes sense if you think about the tunnel vortex, since it is driven by the fences, you'd want to create the biggest pressure differential to make it stronger. So maximizing the volume and flow into the underfloor fences, would create the strongest pressure for the fences to work with.
With alonso they wil be second after red bull,,maybe first as they improve
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I think the Red Bull and Ferrari engines produce more power than Mercedes or the Mercedes has more low end torque, but lacks top speed like a pickup truck.
The question should be why is the Red Bull so fast??
They studied the Red Bull.
Aston did a masterful job of taking Red Bull, Ferrari and Merc concepts and fusing them together
they adapted things, because the main key was the loophole they found: the floor. with that solved, they just took vision from other places (if you want to put it like that, cause we are talking about a team lead by former newey's right hand) and adapted those to fit those to the car in the best way
Seems they got faster since you left...
So basically it’s all about the car and not the driver
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I still see more ferrari than red bull
It's fast because it is half a Red Bull and half a Mercedes.
Aston is fast because Alonso drives it 😂 just ask s troll
Yes! Thanks for making this video :D
You are welcome!
@@BSport320 Also congrats on the sponsor. You completely deserve the recognition for these very unique videos :)