Mci bus multiple very dangerous finds on the front axle. Odd oil leak on the detroit diesel 8v92TA
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 ต.ค. 2023
- This mci bus was recently purchased by the current owner. We are going through and doing a safety inspection and getting to a punch list. He has only taken the bus on one trip and then scheduled it to cone to our shop. Lots of hokey and odd things have been done to this bus. Dumb jake brakes install, bad leveling valve setup, huge strange oil leak, bad radius rod mount, destroyed wheel bearing.
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I had no idea before watching these videos how many dangerous totally worn out 20 ton buses might be cruising around our highways putting everyone at risk. Thank you for doing what you can to make them safe again.
Yup, everyone is Snowman and the Bandit, until the first maintenance bill comes due
Sad part is buses in general have been scale exempt not that they would find bearings like this well if they did it was probably almost to late
It's horrifying how bad the condition some of these buses come in to the shop with. Likewise, I'm super appreciative that Scott is getting them fixed properly. Gotta drive defensively these days, because you never know how poorly maintained some vehicles are on the road...
What is needed is mandatory regular safety inspections like they have in 1st World countries.
@@Phiyedoughseems like that on the surface. However, there have been studies that show, with US state vehicle inspections, which one would think would improve safety, have done absolutely nothing to improve safety. It just ends up being a money grab for the incompetent state government. You’re far more likely to get your car pulled off the road for your tire inflation light being on bc the batteries died than them find anything meaningful. Then there you are paying hundreds of dollars for garbage.
The most telling part about two separate studies is places that had inspections but then stopped having them had no meaningful change in number of any type of accidents (they had them categorized from minor to fatal).
In summary, “I’m the government and I’m here to help” generally makes no difference at best and most of the time adds no value and makes everything more expensive.
I am 62 years old, and at this point I can't imagine being involved in such heavy duty maintenance. It's amazing to see the issues that you solve, day in and day out. You are such an asset to the bus owners' community.
My dad is 68 and still can do it
I’ve been watching Scott’s channel for years and the one thing I’ve noticed is these bus owners all defer needed maintenance for way too long. I’m sure it’s a money thing. But letting your maintenance go for so long is a serious safety issue. At least they bring their busses to the right guy,Scott has to be the most experienced bus mechanic in the country. He’s a guy you can trust to do the job right!👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
He just bought it.
Let's not forget the many videos over the years Scott has gone the extra 50 miles to get money/parts costs back, due to another shop's butcher work too!
@johnclamshellsp1969 yrs exactly 💯. Seen Scott deal with some extremely sketchy situations on these things. 😊
The amount of neglect and outright abuse these Detroits will take is mind-boggling.
I was a heavy duty mechanic in an open pit mine and later a jet mechanic in the USAF. before I used any POL (petroleum oil or lubricant) on the mine equipment of on my jet fighter I had to check on the expiration date for the product before using it. All products were marked with an expiration date that I was allowed to exceed by 10% max. The reason is that all POL can suffer "bleed and or separation" and then not be able to prevent corrosion of the metal parts. A lot of the bearing damage you see is galvanic corrosion because of the breakdown of the protective qualities of the POL products. The best practice is to keep records of dates and mileage of the lubrication points and change the oil or grease periodically. I think that the axle grease would not to be taken apart just drained and replaced so the protection for the parts continues. I'm sure some will say that is expensive but not as much as having to replace the parts. "you can pay me today or pay more later"
True point there 💯. I worked in the industrial industry for several years and seen some incredible breakage. Gets expensive really quick 😮😮😮😊
That's not an oil leak, it is simply the engine compartment rust preventative.
19:03 With the right tools even the toughest jobs are a breeze! 😄😄😄
I've worked on semi trucks for many years. I have never seen a bearing this bad. I wouldn't put that bearing on my desk as a paperweight. I am glad you caught this dangerous bearing and got it off the road. It's the job of all mechanics to ensure that all the vehicles they work on are as safe as they can make it. It's a joy to see people who take their jobs seriously.
Yet another classic tutorial from Scot, we all learn and admire the jobs done, His manner and persona shine through above the spanner work,his easy smile even softens a big bill.
Whoever last packed the bearings obviously didn't know what they were doing. "Packing" might be the wrong term here. I drove that type of coach professionally, and if I remember correctly, the front and tag should be oil not grease. On our daily pre trip we always had to visually inspect the oil level on the cap. We also checked to see if there were any rust stains/runs around the lug nuts.
Yet another bus with major issues brought back to snuff. I never look at a big truck or bus the same way since i have been watching your videos Scott.
What you guys do is life saving stuff given how bad some things can be on a given rig.
You are a major asset to the motoring public Scott. Thanks for all you do to keep things rolling safely down the road.
Scott you are so humble and smart solving these complex problems. Nobody else seems to be able to figure this stuff out. It’s like idiocracy.
That bearing,was probably the worst I’ve seen without being welded together. I made a tool to remove that style of wheel nut out of a piece of water pipe, and cutting a small notch and welding 2 locator pins to fit. The owner got lucky that the radius rod pin on the axle was the one to be repaired, at least it can be replaced instead of having to weld in a new one on body. The trailing axle bushing tubes look like they are close to having to be replaced, or a least a very good greasing. Air bags are getting tough, probably should be replaced. Hope the owner gives the ok. His bill will be high, but not as high as having, or trying to have the work done on the road. Moral of the story is ‘Preventative Maintenance’ doesn’t cost it pays. Sometimes if you can afford the bill, don’t buy the equipment. Keep up the good work Scott.
I travelled years as a musician for several artists, and grew to despise tour buses. Once, a mechanic told me that if I was his son he would not let me travel on that bus. Looking back, I wish we had a master as you to look to!
Those bearings are quite possibly the worse I’ve seen on this channel!
LOL...they looked the way an ordinary object looks like through an electron microscope there was so much detail.
@deanh7190 yes those were very crunchy. Have seen that working on industrial machines many times. They were lucky that bus didn't lose a steer tire.😮
Scott, it’s sad that Tyler left the mechanic But we can’t blame him cause it’s a very dirty and physical job. But you never know in life how it will turn. I wish him a good new career and a lot of luck that goes with it. He’s a very good mechanic tough.
YOU ARE VERY VERY OLD SCHOOL IN YOUR WORKING, .TO FIX THE PROBLEM IT'S FIX ALL THE BEARINGS, SEALS, SPRINGS ,OIL AND AND YOU FIX ITS AWSOME ❤❤❤❤😂😂🎉🎉 LEARNING ALOT ABOUT THINGS TO WATCH WHILE I'M RECOVERING FROM MY CAR ACCIDENT IN DECEMBER 2023, HEAD ON .
This was actually the second bus that I was going to look at. The add that I found showed a much cleaner looking coach, (and it does have a cute interior, a little dated, but nicely done) than what I later found out it was. The owner was set on his price, and I wasn't going to give what they wanted, so we passed on it, without even going to look at it, and while I may have many of the same problems with my bus, it is in much better shape than this one, and was professionally converted by Custom Coach Corporation, also has a whole lot less miles on it, than this one does, with a rebuilt engine. But they all need something, mine needs plenty. I am so glad that it is there with you guys getting what it needs, as it will be much safer to operate.
Id be willing to bet that a lot of owners are being ripped off by dishonest repair/maintenance shops . There's a good reason people are willing to travel / have the bus towed / to this trustworthy maintenance/ repairs shop . Paying for Scott to advise inspect before buying a new or used bus would be cheap insurance .
Working an a bus like this takes all of the mental and physical power you have for each component that needs attention. oh my God after a day working on an air bag you must need therapy, physical and mental to get up the next morning and go back to work. When I get and old silver sides and it needs work on the suspension I’m bringing it to you and won’t say a word when I get the bill. I love your channel.
I would say that by the state of those bearings especially this bus was ‘living on borrowed time’. Lucky it came in when it did 😮🇺🇦👍🇺🇦👍
That bearing had to be roaring going down road
Haven’t seen a bearing race that bad in a long time! Case hardened surface is pooched.
I really like the long format videos. I guess Mickey Mouse was the previous mechanic on this bus.
Mickey was the previous owner, the mechanic was Goofy. ;-)
So, that’s what the hole is for on the vise grips. Thanks for showing that. I had no idea. 👍🏻
I see that you are making progress on getting the bus back in operating conditions.
Another great video! I'll tell you, man, I come from turbine aviation where we use small tools (1/4" drive ratchets and sockets) and tiny hardware. Watching the tools you guys use and those *huge* parts is just incredible to me. And, like others, I'm sorry to hear that Tyler left for greener, cleaner pastures. I'm 68 now, but if I was 20 years younger, I'd move up there to work with you. You seem like a cool guy to work for. And I don't mind getting dirty. Best of luck with this bus, and whichever future buses come into your life.
This is the best vidio showing a real day in the life of a bus mechanic. Keep up the great work 👍
..every bus is a learning experience...It amazes me that you can remember all this stuff however...I also admire your teaching not only the bus owners, but everyone watching what to look for, and give solutions to complex problems that non bus mechanics like me ( I work on computers, non life threatening, and alot lighter parts! ) can understand... Many more years of great work Scott!
You really need a steam clean ramp before you start working on this self propelled fire risk. Very good you cut the bearing open to show the extreme damage.
Better people have you inspect their old buses before purchase so they don't get duped just buying the shiny bits.
I can't remember seeing wheel bearings as bad as those and I've seen a lot.
I didn't think the damage done to wheel bearings you find everyday could even be done to them. It's a testament to just how damn tough those wheel bearings are. Unfortunately, it's also an indictment of how badly they are neglected and abused. I sometimes wonder if the previous repairs done were by mechanics who knew they would never be seeing that bus again ever.
❤❤❤ the suspension bushings aren't no joke. It puts things right and they usually run right down the highway with. Not comparing the bus to my pickup truck but I replaced the whole front end underneath my truck and it lifted it up straightened it out and it goes down the highway straight as it can go
That snapon side beari puller you are using to remove the bushings works much better once the ends of the jaws are ground down and reshaped. That puller was originally sold as a side bearing puller for differentials and later snapon sold it with many more jaws and attachments and called it something else.
I've seen a lot of bad wheel bearings since subscribing to your channel, Scott. These are the worst I've seen.
It's easy to see that many of these busses have been neglected by the owners. And bad shops are everywhere, it's also easy to see that Scott genuinely cares and they will fix it correctly. That is what I see. Thanks for Sharing BUS Grease Monkey 🙊.
Scott is one extremely smart fellow when it comes to these buses 🚌 👏 😊
Oil leak......its a wonder it did not have an engine fire.
I have been watching many years now from when you went around fixing buses to buying the land you on now,many buses have now been through your work shop where been at other business and deemed safe for the roads and far from it as past video's has proven.
Roller bearing seen better days, top job lads.
How refreshing to have a video of someone doing the job, instead if jabbering about the job and how wonderful they are. Thanks guys.
Always wondered what Bus Grease Monkey's parts washer situation was like... Curiosity satisfied circa 30mins into this video ;)
these things got old fast.wasnt that long ago MCI came from winnipeg to illinois. i remember seeing all the mototcoaches lined up in their lot in des plaines IL. my GF's step father was pres of the co, came with them from winnipeg. he gave her a trans am to stop seeing me in 84 and he croaked not long after.
Folks,
I have been watching your channel for a long time and I am gobsmacked at the level of excellent work that you do to bring theses buses back to being reliable for the owner.
One thing I will say is that maybe before the owner bring the bus in for repairs they go to a truck stop and get underneath the bus and give it a thorough steam clean at least then you would not get covered in too much grease.
Hello from Australia.
Great channel. Your dedication to curing the problems is commendable. In the U.K. we have rigorous annual certification so we don’t generally encounter these situations.
That’s a ton of work. It’s amazing how much an oil pressure switch can leak. Great job guys.
Ill bet you guys sleep very soundly at night after a day of these jobs. Happy halloween, Bill
Hopefully the owner got a good deal. I've seen this one languishing on Pop RVs for at least a year.
Work Safe Boys !! Great Class !!👍🙏
Be a bit worried about what weight reduction program those bearings were on bro as I don't think it was Jenny Craigs. The owner was sure lucky you guys found this before it became a potential disaster. Great video by the way. Safe travels. Ken.
Very concerning to know there are big heavy vehicles in such unsafe condition on public roads in the US. Here in the UK we have rigorous mandatory annual safety inspections and the system does work.
We often moan about the annual MOT test but when I see the stuff driven in the salt states I'm glad we don't have vehicles with rotted out chassis on the roads here.
"The wheels on the bus go every which way," is how Ellie is likely to learn the classic song.
That's a lot of work on an old bus. Hope the owner can afford it... what am I saying! He owns a bus! He must be made of money!
While it’s scary the condition some of these busses are in the fact that they just kept going down the road makes me wonder just how bad things would have to be to actually make the bus undriveable or cause an accident.
Great job 🔧👍
Scott, where has Tyler been hiding I haven’t seen him in a while…
Tyler didn’t want to turn wrenches anymore. He moved back to indy to start a new less dirty career.
I wish Tyler much success and happiness in his new endeavors.@@BusGreaseMonkey
In the UK every vehicle has to have an MOT yearly. Stop checks are authorised at any time for HGV’s and any vehicle that fails badly is automatically taken off the road. Peter Lindop UK
@peterlindop4491 in TN, we can drive anything that moves😂 much more fun that way.
@@BusGreaseMonkey That's a shame. Besides learning a great deal from you he seemed to have a natural mechanical aptitude. Every apprentice needs to go out on his own eventually. Even if it's in a new field of endeavor.
Many Thanks
Awesome video 👍👍👍👍👍👍
👏😎 Bravo. Great Work. 😎👍
Great video, appreciate watching thing,s done right...
Kind of makes my day..thanx again. ✌️❤️😁
Really appreciate the longer videos ! And looking forward to seeing the tune up. Even if its routine, i like seeing the befor and after.
Question : Do these engines noticeably benefit from fuel additives ?
Also; would you consider speaking on the little covers above the exhaust manifolds. From what i understand they are additional cooling access ports. If so, why are they so often not in use ?
I'm just glad to see some content from you guys. I hate the electrical storm set you back on putting out video's, or what ever the problem was. You tube fans love your video's. Keep up the great work on keeping the Greyhound buses going. Is anyone doing Trailways buses ?
Thank you expose this bus.i glad pick up your place for inspection and repairs.the oil leaks on detroit engine just way out yup.i suprise never on fire oil leaks.thank video😮
I know that time is money when it comes to working on a customers vehicle. Where I worked we used a product called Agitene. It came in a drum. We were using solvent and it burned our hands and the smell was horrible. The agitene had lanolin in it , protected our hands, and actually did a better job than any solvent we ever found. This is just my opinion here so it is up to you. These buses, I think, were never taken care of like there were suppose to be. Money was the only thing that mattered.
We need more suppliers to carry the specialized tools like the axle but sockets and spanners for the pre-load nuts on the axle bearings. It's good you know that US Coach has them, but the other shops need to drop the coin on one if they work on the same tag axles. If you need them, you should have them. Now Scott, about investing in An AAMCO Brake Drum lathe for your home shop... Even just to clean off the rust. 35:23
Would nylon bushings work longer on those types of parts? They might be alot more noisy though
Man...always love seeing the TLC of big ol' busses!
Keep em coming!!!!
Havent seen that onenin awhile! The pad where it all started on Bus Grease Mountain! Well after yall rolled around in the dirt for awhile.
Nice job
Good job
I drove school, charter, transit (PD-3701 through 4905A, except no 4101 or Victory Cruisers, TDM-4515, TDH-4801, MC-7 & 8, Crown A and 2As) and every conventional around at the time, including GMC Toro Flows😱) and swung wrenches on them, too. Every time I see one of these "house cars" wobbling down the road, I give them a very wide berth. Many (most?) owners can barely drive them, and they sure as hell can't maintain them. They can't afford (or bother) to maintain them in roadworthy mechanical condition, but oh man, can they lay out the bucks for fancy paint jobs, Alcoa wheels and custom interior furnishings! "Maintenance? We don't need no steenking maintenance!" There are owners out there who may not have the fancy glitter on their house cars, but they at least know how to maintain them in safe condition and spend the time and bucks to do it. The others should be required to have a large yellow diamond sign on the back that reads, "CAUTION! WATCH FOR FLYING PARTS"! This MCI needs one of those.
My fave bus of all time? Post '53 Trailways spec PD-4104. Yes, things could go wrong out on the road, but you could usually deal with it safely and easily, and it'd always get you back to the barn! Least fave? PD-4107 with the featherweight flywheels. Upshifting one of those could make you look stupid real quick. The 4903s, even worse. The MC-7 was another fave, except for the wandering Ross steering. Drove an Eagle 10 on one lease trip. It was like riding a porpoise.
Wow that wheel bearing was crazy. The worse I have see on my wheel bearings was a slight "Staw Color" but no pits.
I remember riding in that bus when it was used for passengers.
keep the clips coming
My Mom consistently commended me on my "sticktoitiveness," but if she were here to see this video, I'd get an "I'm sorry, have we met?" when I walked into the room.
36:26 I like the autopsy 😅😅😅😅😅😅
That was awesome to see the carnage up close!😅😅
ABSOLUTELY-----> AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!. 🙂
I really like these videos and the older bus conversions are appealing but the intersection of bus romance and the reality of owning one is an expensive one....
Grounds are in good shape lol very oil bathed connectors haha
See u next week !! Stay Safe !!!
At 20:25 that slack adjuster has not seen much action !
Your removal of radius arm bush went way better for you with that tool puller thing, I usually strip threads and tear everything off and take it to engineering mob and the press it with 100 ton press , maybe truck stuff is heavier dunno , but lugging around bits of truck that weigh more than me is testing on my brain and very stressful on my back , sometimes I,m lucky and have a big strong young guy to lift why I set bolts in place , the young guy stands almost 7 ft and me just over 5 ft , Brutus I call him
Sounds like he could pick you up.with one arm 😅😅
@@carlbernard4197 yea mate he could lift me one arm
good thing they are servicing the bearings the gouges on them are serious what causes wheels to come off
Probably would have been helpful to pressure wash the engine compartment to simplify locating leak.
No thanks.
You should really work with a local votec, you have so much knowledge and skills.
The scraping of the bearings when cleaned up and turned is like fingernails on a chalkboard to anyone who wrenches.
So awesome on the anthem, tell the SplitFirce guy to use the southern border next time Mike. No issue crossing there.
Those air filter housings SUCK to get in and out. You go to put them back in and suddenly nothing fits anymore.
Another one saved 😊 BGM'S da Man 💪☮️
Time for a couple gallons of Super Clean and a garden sprayer
Reuben Garrett Lucius Goldberg!!!!!!!!!!!!! If it ain't broke we will work on it until it is!!
Thanks Scott and team for video , always enjoy this to start Sunday morning's off and I,m honest I keep learning more shit from you every time too, I consider myself knowledgeable but yet able to constantly learn new things and improve on practices I already undertake, how ever I want somebody with knowledge of Mercedes-Benz engine OM366 5.9 turbo , non intercooler, what I want to know is can I simply put intercooler on and plumbing and it's going to be stronger and more eager engine to cope with the 14 tonnes it push in my 40 ft RV, think it's a 160 or 180 hp as is , seen same engine makes 240 to 280 intercooler set up and a extra 100 hp is desperately required to take a lot of effort from driving it now , engine has only 300,000km and in top shape, can I boot it up?
this is likely not the best place to ask i think, these engines are exceptionally rare in the US, i believe. Seems to me, though that adding the intercooler is a no-brainer if you can get one. There is always the "more fuel" option. timing and injectors. This is probably the same on all diesel engines. To me 170 horses already sounds better than what came in the venerable MB 813 i used to drive back in the day. the 1120 i drove later had good power and was quite lively, even towing a trailer through the mountains of germany.
Scott are the busses that complicated to work on? You make it look so easy. I can't stand the tight spaces under something so big and heavy. You guys take care.
Always encourage carrying spares of common failure parts, even if they need a professional to install them. Saves on Stranded time. 49:02
I haven't seen you use your wash pit/inspection pit yet. Would it help to clean the under carriage before inspection?
5:47 I'm guessing that someone replaced them and forgot some sort of spacer.
I was wrong.
I love tag axle time
Scott, how does the parts procurement payment process go? Do you have to front the money for the parts then collect later from the customer, or do you ask for down payment from the owner when you order them? Or something else entirely. I only ask because so much of these parts are incredibly expensive.
We buy them but bill weekly so nothing gets too out of hand.
Holy cow 20 miles from disaster. 37:41
I can just imagine how many buses are on the road that are poorly maintained like this buses and secondly the mechanics at the bus companies most likely don't do a complete inspection on the buses just to save the companies money
Thats a Detroit marking its spot..
Looks like a Valve cover gasket leaking. 25:31 And then the sender started leaking.