I live in Oregon & I was taught to floss w/6ft leader. Didn't know better until I started watching Addicted since then I fish the proper way. Thanks guys!
Dude thank you for this video. My friends and I tried for 5 days still kindve rookies to the salmon game we were floating eggs with a setup we got from another one of your videos. We had no luck the 2nd place we went there were a lot more people and every single one of them were doing the flossing method you just showed. My buddy talked to someone and they said your allowed 1 big pull like that before reeling in. It seemed crazy fishy to us we kept floating eggs still no luck we saw some other people catch a few King's but they were flossing for sure I know now. I will admit out of frustration of not catching anything and lack of knowledge listening to others instead of learning the rules ourselves we gave in and tried it still no luck but we never felt great about it while doing it at the end of the trip and learning what we have since we're all in agreement getting skunked was better than catching even one unethically. Thank you for this video earned a sub from me.
Drifting with bait (eggs or herring ) behind about 16" of some split shot weight is deadly for kings and silvers in Alaska. Unfortunately the kings are pretty much extinct now. I only swing flies now, unless I'm flossing for Reds . Use a small circle hook with about 4 ft. of leader, and just swing it. No need to jerk at the end of the drift. You don't get any foul-hooked fish this way!
Having a light weight and a long leader with light line, a small hook and a small presentation allows you to drift into slower softer water where a lot of steelhead hang out. Not all people running long leaders are flossers.
Great video. I think it's important to state where these differences are for however. In Alaska flossing is the practiced, legal and acceptable method because the salmon do not feed where we are. They are just running up stream to die. We still need to hook them in the mouth for it to be legal though. If you get the hook anywhere else, that is snagging and illegal.
The salmon in oregon are actually much harder to catch than alaska. Fished both. Alaska has 100 times more fish and there more aggressive. In the Pnw high river temperatures and dams built to make electricity really kill the majority of up river fish
CGP, you make good points here. It's too bad so many commenters against flossing aren't well read about the salmon for which they are fishing. Unfortunately some craven fishing pirates will floss for kings and coho. It's not illegal unless you are doing the final rip. The final rip is completely unnecessary anyway. However both coho and king do of course actually attack bait, lures and flies, so it's much more sporting to catch them that way. They are both predatory species consuming larger baitfish, squid and the like in open salt water. They have to chase and catch their prey. However sockeye's have generally stopped feeding in the ocean about three weeks ahead of their migration to their freshwater homes. Add to that, sockeyes are planktonic and crustacean feeders and they simply don't chase food down like the other species. Sockeye get agitated on the redd defending their space and clutch and will grab other sockeyes, sculpin and just debris to move it away from the redd. They will definitely grab our gear swinging through their nests. Otherwise sockeye will mostly just try and get out of the way of your gear when they see it. People have just gotten lazy and won't do their own investigations/ research. It's the culture of just repeating the last thing they heard or read from a 2nd or 3rd source. Do your home work folks and try some critical thinking skills out. Read the Alaska reg's and talk to some Alaska fisheries biologists and trustworthy fisherman. Tight lines to all.
That was one of the best and most explanatory videos you guys have put out on drift fishing yet. Thank you. I hope some of the drift fisherman haters see this video
When we see it we like to point it out. ..... we'll call it out for the individual " 1,2,3 Lift " on every drift they make. They sometimes get the message. Thanks Henry Schmidt
Would like to see y'all on the Puyallup river this year for pinkies and try to explain that to them LOL. Hope its a great run this year and you all get to make it up there
i don't agree at all , i fished salmon for 42 years ,i never lift at the fly up at the end of the drift , i still catch them ,those salmon shut down their eating when they enter the river to spawn and die
Flossing and snagging in Alaska aren't synonymous so we may have a slightly warped point of view up here relative to others. Flossing sockeye has taught me that ripping line at the end of the drift is the absolute last thing you want to do. If your flossing correctly you'll feel the fish and set the hook, if your ripping line at the end of a drift then your much more likely to hook a fish elsewhere than in the mouth which would in turn make it an illegal fish that must be returned (unless your fishing a snagging fishery like they have down in Homer). I think a lot of people starting off in a flossing fishery begin by ripping line at the end of their drift until they realize that the majority of their hook ups aren't legal. That being said you do still get the occasional illegal/foul hook up once you've got your technique down, but those aren't very common.
Well said Michael Sharp and right on the money in all respects. No one hates snagging a sockeye more than my family and friends, even when the fishing is so slow or no fish are even swimming by. Snagging is a giant waste of time, exhausting a fish you can't keep, forcing the people your fishing with along the bank to stop fishing and maybe even braking a rod.
I dont get it. When they made snagging illegal we went for 2 years after out in pulaski and stopped going. It used to be a great time. The hatcheries get plenty of eggs, plenty of salmon spawn to keep the reproduction going, so i dont understand the issue. If you hook a fish anywhere it is still hooked. The fish we hooked we kept. If you catch and release salmon in the river, how many of them end up dieing and not spawning because they got tired out for no reason? If these fish end up spawning they usually die anyway so how does ethical fishing effect anything? Now if we are talking about any other kind of fishing where the fish are not going to die anyway, then yes i do not agree with snagging. For instance the steelhead season after the salmon spawn. I do not agree with snagging them. The regular trout season, no snagging there either.
So glad you made this video Just moved to the NW Co workers insisted to me the fish dons chase bait and flossing was the only way to catch them. ( mind you I’ve been watching your videos since I moved up and new it was BS. Thanks again
I have seen guys doing the hard hook set at the end of a run before reeling in. Being fairly new to salmon/steelhead fishing here in Oregon I thought that's what you wanted to do to prevent from snagging or whatever. I had know idea that most guys I've seen where "snagging" thanks for the info! I'm still chasing my first steelhead. Thanks for all the great info guys!💪👊🎣
@@nicmartin848 and your a typical fucking snagger, everyone of you have a book of excuses on why you snag or how your method isn't snagging or why you set the hook every 2secoonds of every cast...Jordan has forgot more about fishing in 1 day then you will ever know in your pathetic life..let's see your videos,pictures,or hear feedback from clients on how great of a fisherman/guide you are.................that's what I thought
I do floss when I fish on a River here in Anchorage A.K. But the way I do it is very slow pass and no Jenkins the fly at the end of the drift. The fish hook itself that way. I try to teach people. And it makes me mad seeing people just ripping it out of the water snagging fish everywhere but the mouth. What's the point if you have to release the fish! I hate it.
Jeez, my fishery on the cascade river I love to drift fish for springers and float egg. Orange corky with black yarn is killer. It was hard to tell a bite for a while but I figured out it’s when your line kind of just stops from drifting. When it stops you’re either snagged or a fish, but I still see constant people trying to floss or snag and it pisses me off
Here in michigan when using flies we used a longer leader or if its a double bead set up and some do try to set the hook with flossing but alot of us we do the ethical drift and i get a natural bite each time. I do a slow steady reel in and have had hits like that. The fish i accidentally snagged i let go beacuse most the time they are tail slapping it away and gets caught in the tail but i also use a sensitive pole so i feel the natural bite.
It's the people that are flossing on a river with 2 inches of visabilaty using a 10 foot leader and insist the fish are hitting there small bead really annoys me. Just admit what your doing I'd have more respect for you
It's about damn time someone pointed out that flossing is simply another form of snagging. Thank you Jordan for actually referring to flossing as the "unethical method" over drift fishing where the fish takes the bait himself instead of some jack wang slicing the line across the fish's mouth. Thank you guys again for making this video to point out how not to unethically fish!!
Skokomish 'drift fishing' anglers told me they use 15ft+ leaders so when they snag on the bottom, they could break off and still have enough leader to tie another hook. I observed a small piece of yarn with a hook on their setups. Best reason I heard about long leaders thus far.
g Bass. It's commonly guided practice on deeper Alaska rivers to fish beads on 11' leaders below strike indicators with a small split shot to get down to the bottom where the rainbows and dollies are holding. You'd not likely get a bite otherwise. It's ridiculous to consider this technique snagging. Snagging is illegal in freshwater in AK. AK fishery regulators recognize this. So should everyone else (Shaun Lehman below for example).
I have only two lengths that i pre-cut my leaders to for drift fishing. Depending on the water conditions, different bodies of water. Its either going to be a 5' cut or a 4' cut i end up losing about 6 inches after the hook is added and its tied on to the line. However it may be unethical, frowned upon and not recommend to floss but as long as a legal leader length isnt set any fish hooked inside the mouth wether you have a 10' leader or a 4' leader its still legal.
That's what I'm saying am I not allowed to fish with a beed and a short leader without it being called flossing? It's what I've been taught to do here also but never caught nothing
Yeah, when pinks hit the the Campbell River, BC some guys not even trying to put any colourful presentation . They just put bare jig and 9 feet leader and lets go.
I stay 3-5ft leader above 6ft I would say is flossing. I don't hookset till I feel very fast solid taps or feel my line stop. Fish do bite at the end of drifts as but most the time ya drift done no need to hookset
That’s was educational, I never quite understood how flossing works but did hear of the term. I was worried when I drift fish using floats if I was flossing somehow lol. I started float fishing this past year so a newbie at it
Lifting salmon, referred to as flossing nowadays, is a finesse technique. The idea is to drift your line down to the salmon mouth. This dude's demonstration is exaggerated. You raise your rod at the end of the drift. It sweeps your leader across the current. Salmon don't really feed during the spawn. They bite once in a while, but not consistently. I've caught hundreds of salmon and can count a handful that bit. The bottom line is they are fish at the end of their life cycle. They're not coming back next year, in fact they'll be dead in days. Catch the fish and feed your family.
I stopped drift fishing because people thought I was flossing and it wasn’t worth the hassle of dealing with people. For the record I have never caught a salmon or steel head drifting or with any other method. So I just went back to trout fishing.
I recently started fishing and am trying to catch salmon in the America river but hooks don't have to have a beard, can you tell me the types of hooks and thank you very much?
Do you guys use free spooling when using a bait caster to make a longer drift? And are you guys going to make a video where you just drift fish instead of using floats?
If you want to see a good example of "flossing" or snagging, just go to bowling alley hole on the mouth of the clack or eagle creek during fall coho run. And not hooking in the mouth by the way, all belly flopping or on the back. I watched these two guys fill there tags at the snag hole on eagle creek(bonnie lure) doing just that with bait casters, personally I think fish/game enforcement turn a blind eye to it...
daniel sakamoto it’s just a long steady tug, feels very similar to getting snagged on the bottom and don’t set the hook hard, steady pull sideways downstream or you’ll just rip the hook right through the salmon mouth and make u look like you’re trying to actually snag the fish
There are several different types of bites. The most common is the rod feels a little heavier like you just had a leaf stick on your line and you will feel a slight surge. What that is, is the fish has picked up your bait or bead or whatever. Its not a dead stop like a snag. The second is a trout like bite, feels like a trout is picking at your bait. A tap tap tap. The third and most fun is the frieght train, and just like it sounds the fish picks up your lure and makes a run for it. Hope this helps, it takes alot of time to truly know and learn the bite, but its like riding a bike once you get it, it never goes away. Good luck
I don’t know mannnn....I’ve seen guys using 10 ft leaders and hook the fish in the mouth..if not swallowed by the fish...when I see flossers: it’s a cast and they’re constantly sweeping and touching bottom, sweeping and touching bottom...
I live in Michigan and it makes the fish stop biting anything after they make it past a group of people flossing you drive 3 hours and get to the spot and it has been ravished by people snagging and the fish all have beads and flys all over them it is sad I end up having to go to the pier heads to get my fish not the same experience as floating skein and watching a bobber drop
I always learned nymphing to swing a fly after a good run of some fast water with like a two foot leader, never heard the term flossing or saw how many people hate it until I went to the salmon river lol I guess it's not flossing with the shorter leader and tippet like I use on trout? I just swing the fly across and down and let it drop and sink in the column and if I don't get any hits at the end of the drift i bring it back in without trying to swipe or hook anything, , but I can see how people would use similar idea to almost foul hook fish in that space of water. Thanks for the video
Regarding leader length, In Washington state they have lots of regulations on when and how you can fish. If Fish and Wild life thought it was flossing I think they would say no leader over 3 1/2 feet.
Thats how %99 of all sockeye are caught on the naknek river in Alaska while using fly rods is flossing. When those fish enter the naknek river they are not feeding, they do not bite at any type of lure or anything, so the only way to hook any fish is to jerk that line when you feel something on the other end. But i know we are talking steelhead here so the upper Rogue is out cause we never get enough steelhead to line!
I’m in Alaska people rip threw the water at the sanctuary Russian River. When I’m in Soldotna I go to a great fishing hole and basically use anywhere from a 7-9 ft leader depending on water depth, sometimes the kenai river is deep along the banks but like this yr it was a little low. Yes drifting works , I stopped using the (kenai twitch ) method. Lol. Or the Russian River twitch.
But I regularly do a big lift and fast retrieve at the end to get the hook and weight off the bottom when I'm drifting bait so I don't snag on the rocks.....
And that's the issue. Under the parameters of what most of the people in here consider "snagging" is "lifting", which means pretty much all salmon fishing is snagging the moment you "Life" at any point. Hence why I think these convos are pointless, and conversations should be more focused on the behavior of the angler and the way they treat the fish when caught. That's more important than "Flossing"
Best distinction I've heard! I even had a prolonged discussion with a WDFW officer I know a few years back and I didn't get a clear idea what exactly the difference was. Thanks very much!
Just did salmon this year and new to steel head and this tutorial was very helpful. I am a catch and release guy and I did not know what flossing was. I now understand and definitely will not be doing it. I am in this game for the chase and sport. Just like deer hunting.
Flossing is what people who doen't know how to fish or what a bite feels like do. If fish don't bite they don't bite. It is really irritating how many people think this is fishing, and legal. Its not. Do us all a favor, shorten your leaders or switch to bobbers and jigs or better yet get your fish from the store.
@@dumbboyshortvids3139 like I said if you are flossing because you need " resources " go to the store, not my river. Flossing aka snagging is illegal., but thanks for your opinion
@@dumbboyshortvids3139 I'm glad you feel good about flossing fish, you should learn the bite and have a great time actually feeling when a fish bites your lure. Flossing is for beginners. Keep on doing what you enjoy, and good luck learning how to truly drift fish.
@@dumbboyshortvids3139 I don't know who taught you flossing wasn't frowned upon 30 years ago, it has always been frowned upon. I'm 50 and have been steelhead and salmon fishing since I was 10, and flossing was and has always been looked down on. You read magazines books watch TV shows, nobody is explaining how to floss fish. If it was a great way for beginners to catch fish you would see it everywhere. The fact we are having this conversation and people are putting out videos what not to do should tell you it's not a technique people like or should use.
I wouldn't advocate people going to the store to buy fish. Commercial fishing is killing the salmon fishing industry and it isn't sustainable. Just saying pick your battles. I fish with a bobber 90% of the time but when I do dift fish I use a short leader usually around 20in or less and have been accused of flossing. One guy got a bloody nose because he wouldn't shut up. I also use floaters in my spawn bags when I dift fish.... a clear sign that a person is not trying to floss. I'd personally rather see a few people flossing than have a 500ft trawler scooping up 100's of thousands of pounds of salmon and by catch at a time. My point is pick your battles.
I used to floss all the time till it became illegal. Had a blast and always had the hook inside the mouth. The fun and sport is having the fish on the end of your line, where it becomes bs is when people start using treble hooks and take more than what they are allowed. I’d floss if it were legal because I don’t think it’s unethical. Just my opinion though. Oh, and I only sport fish since I don’t eat them. Just love fishing
it's always been illegal in Washington.. the definition of snagging is hooking a fish in such a way that the fish does not "voluntarily take the hooks into it's mouth" that has been in the WA reg books since i was a child in the 80s. flossing has always been snagging and still is.
@@roballen3026 Did I insinuate that it wasn’t snagging? I’m from California, and technically it’s still legal but they’ve put a limit on the amount of leader you can use. I believe it’s 6 feet now.
When I first started Salmon and steelhead fishing in Michigan in the 1970s, snagging salmon in rivers was legal. One reason my dad and I never went for salmon. Steelheading was different. Snagging was not allowed. The primary method for fishing was drift fishing with methods similar to today's drift fishing methods. Since this was before lead issues, we would use a 3 way and leave a 6 to 8 inch tag off one of the swivels and just crimp a bunch of split shot on. If your weight snagged, the split shot just pulled off Michigan outlawed snagging in the early 1990s
Ok I know I’m kind of stirring the pot but I’ve often thought of this while fishing with my brother. He center pins and fishes beads about 90% of the time, I fly fish and will bottom bounce with spin gear. The set up with pinning beads 4-6” above the hook is how he and I guess most fish beads, when the is caught and brought in the hook about 90% of the time is from the out side of the mouth to the inside because the way the bead is set up away from the hook. That is a snagged fish. Fishing beads is the guilt free way of snagging ethically, correct ? A fish that eats a bait with a hook in it and is hooked from the inside of the mouth to out side of the mouth is not snagged but fairly and ethically caught, correct ? I can hear asses getting real tight over this. I argue with my brother constantly over this
Stopbeina Pantywaist I think many people view snagging as a way of catching fish without the fish eating bait or a lure. The fish eats the bead and is hooked in or around the mouth, I don’t see how anyone could really say that as snagging. This also helps the fish not swallow the hook, which I’ve had happen when using egg flies.
Ive flossed my whole life and we usually do that because the river is too muddy and not bait or bead fishable due to all the rains we get some years you might only get a few weeks with bait fishable water. But hands down its so much nicer when you can get them to bite... Also a lot of guys are plunking roe with spin n glos. Or they will fish a wee-wart or other plugs. Also another option is using soft beads, feather jigs or steelhead soft plastic worms with a lead head and drifting them under a bobber. Thats very productive where i li e and you lose a lot less gear also! Idk man just dont be a deushbag and keep yanking your fuckin 10 ft leader up over your head so hard like this guy in the video showed that your setup dont fly out of the water and end up 20 feet behind you on the bank. Ive seen people get whacked in the face with lead or even hooked.
You're missing the point of setting the best up from hook, its actually to protect the fish if its either bycatch or you're fishing for non retention species. The fish still take/bite beads (so not snagged), but with the bead up from the hook they wont throat the hook, and can be safely released. Yes, the hook usually doesn't end up inside the lip, but it's a much more ethical way to fish beads than sitting it right on top of the hook. It is absolutely not fleecing or snagging though. Not sure where your confused on that. But hopefully that helps you understand a bit better.
Another great video. Question though; you kept saying “the unethical method,” when referring to flossing, is flossing unethical if legal? If so, is dip netting, Set nets, trolling, and using fish wheels also unethical where legal? Thousands of people in Alaska use these legal fishing methods each year and have been doing so for hundreds of years. I would agree that any illegal method of fishing is unethical but it is legality not the method that makes it unethical. JMHO.
Imagine thirty or forty guys setting the hook at the end of every single drift... the sound you hear is where places like the “helicopter hole” gets named. Not kidding. Every single Washington river during Salmon season- regardless of species. Pick a day in October and I could drive you to any of a dozen spots. Guaranteed. Pathetic. All those fish are biters if they aren’t harassed. The excuse is usually something like “I am just trying to feed my family” or “these fish don’t bite” etc. I wish WDFW could just enforce the laws. Otherwise, I’d just rather fish somewhere else. I appreciate Jordan taking a stab at an explanation but I feel like he left the bulk of my contempt for snagging out of the vid.
Yup sounds like he fishes the Puyallup. The rivers I fish never get that dirty unless a huge storms dumps a lot of water. And yea they do bite. I've had some amazing days float fishing roe on the upper reaches of a river
Some might say its unethical, but the technique is actually safer to the native fish population. A native fish that’s flossed on the side of the mouth will likely survive after being release, compared to one that has sucked in bait and hooked in the throat or gills.
I've fished eggs and sandshirmp for over 20 years on salmon and steelhead and I think once have I had a fish that was hooked to deep to live. Keep telling yourself that it's safer cause you don't know how to fish
Nice video! What about catching a Salmon with a Double Hook Set-up and a Roe Bag? I was basically bottom bouncing the short leader (24" maybe), i felt tap, tap, tap,,,I didnt set my hook immediately, I hit my baitcaster button to let it go a little bit further, felt a thump, and then set my hook, caught the Chinook on the second hook (corner of mouth). I believe the fish chased my cured eggs and not a flossing or snagging technique.
I got upset watching some guys snagging silver salmon, one after the other, with fly pole set up, under a bridge. Fish were hooked in belly and tail. Confronting them, they explained they were "flossing". It may be legal but it is not ethical.
@@troybranch9720 They were not keeping the fish. When a fish was caught they would horse the fish in, drag it onshore , abruptly take the hook out and kick the fish back in the water. Thanks for bringing that point up.
This guy maybe good with his idea but I've used eight leaders and still had fish yank it down and hook in mouth everytime , solid tie up for lead never any good, no feel if u have soft bite big fish on steelhead
Both ways would be considered flossing here in BC by most people. It’s considered unethical to have your weight bouncing across the bottom but it seems like it works and you guys are catching fish ethically. Different country, different techniques even though we are next door neighbours divided by an invisible line.
don't think there are many places to drift fish around tri cities (for steelhead) most of it is trolling by boat. I'm mainly a bass and walleye guy but want to try drift fishing and i can't find a close place by to do it. And that is if they ever open the river up for them this year. If you know a few places by tricities to do this please let me know!
you can drift fish near tri cities there is a spot right on the banks of Hanford that is good drift fishing for steelhead. Jigs and shrimp work good there.
@dumb boy short vids... I have lived here my whole life bud. Sorry just trying to expand my fishing techniques beyond what I know so far. I thought asking a simple question in the comments was a good idea. I hope not to run into you on the river. I’ve fished buoy 10 my whole life and bass and walleye in the tricities my whole life as well. -tight lines
"unethical" that's funny, the entire state of Alaska snags. All these comments about " how would you like a hook being ripped across your mouth?" Do you know what you're doing if they bite? 😂
I do some flossing and what we do is instead of setting the hook straight up hard, we set the hook sideways upriver and we don’t set it hard, we do a long steady pull. If people are setting the hook really hard, they are snagging instead of flossing
Shaun Lehman never heard of that, the river I fished in wa for chinook and coho, every one go sideways instead of up and catch the salmon right in the corner just about every other time unless u are ripping the hook
I've been going down to a local river latley and all the guys are lined up in the river in a tiny ass hole. The fish are dumped by truck already cause of awesome dams! And every single guy. Probably 80 dudes. All flossings as hard as possible. I enjoy seeing all these major anglers. Lol.
Great video. I use a 3 and a half foot leader. I have caught plenty of steelhead. But i would have to imagine that even with a shorter leader that you could still be flossing a fish. Just saying. I also use corky and yarn. So I'm flossing because I use a smaller corky and yarn?? I guess i will just keep following regs and keep it legal. 👍
I am thinking the same, you are still dragging shorter leader on the bottom and snagging the fish, I am not the expert but would make sense to use float with the right depth to be really doing sport fishing and trying to entice fish to bait.
Having fished for Salmon in NY and in Oregon, you haven't seen "Snagging" until you spend a week on the Salmon River in Pulaski. I do not consider your unethical explanation to be an accurate representation of "flossing", I would consider that simply just snagging, even more so when they rip it sideways as hard as they can. I'm also not really sure how people can gatekeep this topic so hard and act like this is so unethical when lifting your rod. Under your own parameters of unethical, lifting of a rod in anyway shape or form is snagging, so by proxy, float fishing is also snagging. Personally, what matters to me more is how you handle and respect the fish, and intent of the angler. If someone goes out there, does a fly drift and picks up the line slowly, moving around and works the water, if they catch some salmon in the side on accident and let it go, no one should have a single issue with that, and I certainly don't. It's the guys out there with ocean rods, heavy braided line or thick mono, number 1 hooks, just walking the riverbanks, not casting, waiting to find some unsuspecting Salmon in a shallow bed, casting a foot of line over their backs and ripping the hook into them and keeping them, that people should really have an issue with. I think it all comes off as pretentious nonsense for most people who are so die hard on "Flossing" being so bad when the fish are not actively biting. Steelhead are obviously the exception to this are they are on and off munching.
Holy crap my town is filled with cheaters, watched so many springs get pulled out but typically only by the people woth super long leaders and yanking at the end of the run. Thank so much for the info, always keep it ethical. Only had 1 on so far but only lasted about 5 seconds aha
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Just curious if any of yall ever been to michigan for steelhead and salmon run
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Thank you for the tutorial on how to floss properly!
You must not fish very much lol 😂
You are most likely also the type of guy to say anyone using a twitching jig or spinner is trying to snag lol
I live in Oregon & I was taught to floss w/6ft leader. Didn't know better until I started watching Addicted since then I fish the proper way. Thanks guys!
Dude thank you for this video. My friends and I tried for 5 days still kindve rookies to the salmon game we were floating eggs with a setup we got from another one of your videos. We had no luck the 2nd place we went there were a lot more people and every single one of them were doing the flossing method you just showed. My buddy talked to someone and they said your allowed 1 big pull like that before reeling in. It seemed crazy fishy to us we kept floating eggs still no luck we saw some other people catch a few King's but they were flossing for sure I know now. I will admit out of frustration of not catching anything and lack of knowledge listening to others instead of learning the rules ourselves we gave in and tried it still no luck but we never felt great about it while doing it at the end of the trip and learning what we have since we're all in agreement getting skunked was better than catching even one unethically. Thank you for this video earned a sub from me.
finally, a tutorial on the right way to do it the “wrong way”.
Drifting with bait (eggs or herring ) behind about 16" of some split shot weight is deadly for kings and silvers in Alaska. Unfortunately the kings are pretty much extinct now. I only swing flies now, unless I'm flossing for Reds . Use a small circle hook with about 4 ft. of leader, and just swing it. No need to jerk at the end of the drift. You don't get any foul-hooked fish this way!
Having a light weight and a long leader with light line, a small hook and a small presentation allows you to drift into slower softer water where a lot of steelhead hang out. Not all people running long leaders are flossers.
And not all people running short leaders are "ethical drifters"...lol
Great video. I think it's important to state where these differences are for however. In Alaska flossing is the practiced, legal and acceptable method because the salmon do not feed where we are. They are just running up stream to die. We still need to hook them in the mouth for it to be legal though. If you get the hook anywhere else, that is snagging and illegal.
You don’t need to floss in Alaska lol. And every salmon in the pacific dies during spawn. You flossers always have excuses.
The salmon in oregon are actually much harder to catch than alaska. Fished both. Alaska has
100 times more fish and there more aggressive. In the Pnw high river temperatures and dams built to make electricity really kill the majority of up river fish
CGP, you make good points here. It's too bad so many commenters against flossing aren't well read about the salmon for which they are fishing. Unfortunately some craven fishing pirates will floss for kings and coho. It's not illegal unless you are doing the final rip. The final rip is completely unnecessary anyway. However both coho and king do of course actually attack bait, lures and flies, so it's much more sporting to catch them that way. They are both predatory species consuming larger baitfish, squid and the like in open salt water. They have to chase and catch their prey. However sockeye's have generally stopped feeding in the ocean about three weeks ahead of their migration to their freshwater homes. Add to that, sockeyes are planktonic and crustacean feeders and they simply don't chase food down like the other species. Sockeye get agitated on the redd defending their space and clutch and will grab other sockeyes, sculpin and just debris to move it away from the redd. They will definitely grab our gear swinging through their nests. Otherwise sockeye will mostly just try and get out of the way of your gear when they see it.
People have just gotten lazy and won't do their own investigations/ research. It's the culture of just repeating the last thing they heard or read from a 2nd or 3rd source. Do your home work folks and try some critical thinking skills out. Read the Alaska reg's and talk to some Alaska fisheries biologists and trustworthy fisherman. Tight lines to all.
That was one of the best and most explanatory videos you guys have put out on drift fishing yet. Thank you. I hope some of the drift fisherman haters see this video
Thanks a ton for this video Jordan. I'm moving to WA, and as important as the "to do's" are, the "don't do's" are just as important to me.
When we see it we like to point it out. ..... we'll call it out for the individual " 1,2,3 Lift " on every drift they make. They sometimes get the message.
Thanks Henry Schmidt
Would like to see y'all on the Puyallup river this year for pinkies and try to explain that to them LOL. Hope its a great run this year and you all get to make it up there
Vandal Geiseric yeah if you mention the “ethical” way at Puyallup you’ll get laughed at
@@illyakuzmych7813 makes sense too now that its all coming to back to us this year. its been really slow this year
How about a muddy river like the Puyallup? How are you supposed to get fish to bite something they can't see?!!!
i don't agree at all , i fished salmon for 42 years ,i never lift at the fly up at the end of the drift , i still catch them ,those salmon shut down their eating when they enter the river to spawn and die
Flossing and snagging in Alaska aren't synonymous so we may have a slightly warped point of view up here relative to others.
Flossing sockeye has taught me that ripping line at the end of the drift is the absolute last thing you want to do. If your flossing correctly you'll feel the fish and set the hook, if your ripping line at the end of a drift then your much more likely to hook a fish elsewhere than in the mouth which would in turn make it an illegal fish that must be returned (unless your fishing a snagging fishery like they have down in Homer).
I think a lot of people starting off in a flossing fishery begin by ripping line at the end of their drift until they realize that the majority of their hook ups aren't legal. That being said you do still get the occasional illegal/foul hook up once you've got your technique down, but those aren't very common.
Doing the Kenai twitch after each cast will get you a ticket. Snagging is illegal in Alaska.
@Frederick Duncan i hook tons of legal fish chucking and ducking. You just need to know how to do it.
Well said Michael Sharp and right on the money in all respects. No one hates snagging a sockeye more than my family and friends, even when the fishing is so slow or no fish are even swimming by. Snagging is a giant waste of time, exhausting a fish you can't keep, forcing the people your fishing with along the bank to stop fishing and maybe even braking a rod.
I dont get it. When they made snagging illegal we went for 2 years after out in pulaski and stopped going. It used to be a great time. The hatcheries get plenty of eggs, plenty of salmon spawn to keep the reproduction going, so i dont understand the issue. If you hook a fish anywhere it is still hooked. The fish we hooked we kept. If you catch and release salmon in the river, how many of them end up dieing and not spawning because they got tired out for no reason? If these fish end up spawning they usually die anyway so how does ethical fishing effect anything? Now if we are talking about any other kind of fishing where the fish are not going to die anyway, then yes i do not agree with snagging. For instance the steelhead season after the salmon spawn. I do not agree with snagging them. The regular trout season, no snagging there either.
So glad you made this video
Just moved to the NW
Co workers insisted to me the fish dons chase bait and flossing was the only way to catch them. ( mind you I’ve been watching your videos since I moved up and new it was BS. Thanks again
Thanks for the good explanation between the two. Always wondered what the difference was
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I have seen guys doing the hard hook set at the end of a run before reeling in. Being fairly new to salmon/steelhead fishing here in Oregon I thought that's what you wanted to do to prevent from snagging or whatever. I had know idea that most guys I've seen where "snagging" thanks for the info! I'm still chasing my first steelhead. Thanks for all the great info guys!💪👊🎣
@@nicmartin848 and your a typical fucking snagger, everyone of you have a book of excuses on why you snag or how your method isn't snagging or why you set the hook every 2secoonds of every cast...Jordan has forgot more about fishing in 1 day then you will ever know in your pathetic life..let's see your videos,pictures,or hear feedback from clients on how great of a fisherman/guide you are.................that's what I thought
2-1/2 foot leader is what I use.
I do floss when I fish on a River here in Anchorage A.K. But the way I do it is very slow pass and no Jenkins the fly at the end of the drift. The fish hook itself that way. I try to teach people. And it makes me mad seeing people just ripping it out of the water snagging fish everywhere but the mouth. What's the point if you have to release the fish! I hate it.
36 " Max in Oregon
Jeez, my fishery on the cascade river I love to drift fish for springers and float egg. Orange corky with black yarn is killer. It was hard to tell a bite for a while but I figured out it’s when your line kind of just stops from drifting. When it stops you’re either snagged or a fish, but I still see constant people trying to floss or snag and it pisses me off
Here in michigan when using flies we used a longer leader or if its a double bead set up and some do try to set the hook with flossing but alot of us we do the ethical drift and i get a natural bite each time. I do a slow steady reel in and have had hits like that. The fish i accidentally snagged i let go beacuse most the time they are tail slapping it away and gets caught in the tail but i also use a sensitive pole so i feel the natural bite.
When they ain’t biting you have to do what you have to do
I dont agree ..but this topic can be debated for days
Yes it can... HAHA!
It's the people that are flossing on a river with 2 inches of visabilaty using a 10 foot leader and insist the fish are hitting there small bead really annoys me. Just admit what your doing I'd have more respect for you
It's about damn time someone pointed out that flossing is simply another form of snagging. Thank you Jordan for actually referring to flossing as the "unethical method" over drift fishing where the fish takes the bait himself instead of some jack wang slicing the line across the fish's mouth. Thank you guys again for making this video to point out how not to unethically fish!!
Skokomish 'drift fishing' anglers told me they use 15ft+ leaders so when they snag on the bottom, they could break off and still have enough leader to tie another hook. I observed a small piece of yarn with a hook on their setups. Best reason I heard about long leaders thus far.
I was new to fishing salmon then.
g Bass. It's commonly guided practice on deeper Alaska rivers to fish beads on 11' leaders below strike indicators with a small split shot to get down to the bottom where the rainbows and dollies are holding. You'd not likely get a bite otherwise. It's ridiculous to consider this technique snagging. Snagging is illegal in freshwater in AK. AK fishery regulators recognize this. So should everyone else (Shaun Lehman below for example).
Thanks Jordan! Question........if you and the Addicted Crew see folks flossing do you confront them? If so, what’s your approach?
Can still floss ethicly w short 4' whip uh?
No flossing is ethical lol
Doesn't leader length also depend on water depth?
no
I have only two lengths that i pre-cut my leaders to for drift fishing. Depending on the water conditions, different bodies of water. Its either going to be a 5' cut or a 4' cut i end up losing about 6 inches after the hook is added and its tied on to the line.
However it may be unethical, frowned upon and not recommend to floss but as long as a legal leader length isnt set any fish hooked inside the mouth wether you have a 10' leader or a 4' leader its still legal.
Is bead fishing flossing since it hooks the fish in the side of the mouth?
That's what I'm saying am I not allowed to fish with a beed and a short leader without it being called flossing? It's what I've been taught to do here also but never caught nothing
Asking the right questions and getting to the point that this convo is gatekeeping nonsense.
Yeah, when pinks hit the the Campbell River, BC some guys not even trying to put any colourful presentation . They just put bare jig and 9 feet leader and lets go.
Some people can't handle the fact that only ~3% of kings on the run will do an instinct strike.
So fine true lol
yeah cause flossing and drifting is all snagging. it's retarded, might as well net the damn fish
Bingo.
I stay 3-5ft leader above 6ft I would say is flossing. I don't hookset till I feel very fast solid taps or feel my line stop. Fish do bite at the end of drifts as but most the time ya drift done no need to hookset
That’s was educational, I never quite understood how flossing works but did hear of the term. I was worried when I drift fish using floats if I was flossing somehow lol. I started float fishing this past year so a newbie at it
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Lifting salmon, referred to as flossing nowadays, is a finesse technique. The idea is to drift your line down to the salmon mouth. This dude's demonstration is exaggerated. You raise your rod at the end of the drift. It sweeps your leader across the current. Salmon don't really feed during the spawn. They bite once in a while, but not consistently. I've caught hundreds of salmon and can count a handful that bit. The bottom line is they are fish at the end of their life cycle. They're not coming back next year, in fact they'll be dead in days. Catch the fish and feed your family.
Correct, and a gross one at that.
I stoped drift fishing during salmon season because all of the snagers tried to get me to set the hook at at the end so I just bobber fish
Fishing 4 reel why stop? You gave up a great method of fishing because others wanted you to do it their way? Kind of silly
I stopped drift fishing because people thought I was flossing and it wasn’t worth the hassle of dealing with people. For the record I have never caught a salmon or steel head drifting or with any other method. So I just went back to trout fishing.
Throw spoons
flossing is snagging, and drifting is a fancy way of flossing. it's all snagging and dumb as hell
Salmon river NY you arnt allowed to have a leader more than 48" between hook and swivel.
I recently started fishing and am trying to catch salmon in the America river but hooks don't have to have a beard, can you tell me the types of hooks and thank you very much?
Your flossing?
Do you guys use free spooling when using a bait caster to make a longer drift? And are you guys going to make a video where you just drift fish instead of using floats?
I'm new to salmon fishing. Thanks for advice I don't want to be doing wrong
Tell me the proper set up for salmon st tippy dam if u can thk
so would a cast net be ok?
If you want to see a good example of "flossing" or snagging, just go to bowling alley hole on the mouth of the clack or eagle creek during fall coho run. And not hooking in the mouth by the way, all belly flopping or on the back. I watched these two guys fill there tags at the snag hole on eagle creek(bonnie lure) doing just that with bait casters, personally I think fish/game enforcement turn a blind eye to it...
blue creek trout hatchery hole too
Was at cedar Creek tonight and wow...first time I've ever witnesses that. So blatant
And I'm that guy with a 9 weight, full sink tip and 15ft tapered leader...
“Fly fishing” flossing with a pretty lure!! 😂
How do you know when to set the hook when drift fishing?
daniel sakamoto it’s just a long steady tug, feels very similar to getting snagged on the bottom and don’t set the hook hard, steady pull sideways downstream or you’ll just rip the hook right through the salmon mouth and make u look like you’re trying to actually snag the fish
There are several different types of bites. The most common is the rod feels a little heavier like you just had a leaf stick on your line and you will feel a slight surge. What that is, is the fish has picked up your bait or bead or whatever. Its not a dead stop like a snag. The second is a trout like bite, feels like a trout is picking at your bait. A tap tap tap. The third and most fun is the frieght train, and just like it sounds the fish picks up your lure and makes a run for it. Hope this helps, it takes alot of time to truly know and learn the bite, but its like riding a bike once you get it, it never goes away. Good luck
Net boy Of dash point Thank you! So much to learn!
William Brown Thank you for all the great information!
I don’t know mannnn....I’ve seen guys using 10 ft leaders and hook the fish in the mouth..if not swallowed by the fish...when I see flossers: it’s a cast and they’re constantly sweeping and touching bottom, sweeping and touching bottom...
I live in Michigan and it makes the fish stop biting anything after they make it past a group of people flossing you drive 3 hours and get to the spot and it has been ravished by people snagging and the fish all have beads and flys all over them it is sad I end up having to go to the pier heads to get my fish not the same experience as floating skein and watching a bobber drop
I always learned nymphing to swing a fly after a good run of some fast water with like a two foot leader, never heard the term flossing or saw how many people hate it until I went to the salmon river lol I guess it's not flossing with the shorter leader and tippet like I use on trout? I just swing the fly across and down and let it drop and sink in the column and if I don't get any hits at the end of the drift i bring it back in without trying to swipe or hook anything, , but I can see how people would use similar idea to almost foul hook fish in that space of water. Thanks for the video
Regarding leader length, In Washington state they have lots of regulations on when and how you can fish. If Fish and Wild life thought it was flossing I think they would say no leader over 3 1/2 feet.
Thank you!
Thats how %99 of all sockeye are caught on the naknek river in Alaska while using fly rods is flossing. When those fish enter the naknek river they are not feeding, they do not bite at any type of lure or anything, so the only way to hook any fish is to jerk that line when you feel something on the other end. But i know we are talking steelhead here so the upper Rogue is out cause we never get enough steelhead to line!
The steelhead are munching far more often too.
I’m going to break the 500 fish mark this week 🎉. Thanks for all your tips.
I’m in Alaska people rip threw the water at the sanctuary Russian River. When I’m in Soldotna I go to a great fishing hole and basically use anywhere from a 7-9 ft leader depending on water depth, sometimes the kenai river is deep along the banks but like this yr it was a little low. Yes drifting works , I stopped using the (kenai twitch ) method. Lol. Or the Russian River twitch.
But I regularly do a big lift and fast retrieve at the end to get the hook and weight off the bottom when I'm drifting bait so I don't snag on the rocks.....
And that's the issue. Under the parameters of what most of the people in here consider "snagging" is "lifting", which means pretty much all salmon fishing is snagging the moment you "Life" at any point. Hence why I think these convos are pointless, and conversations should be more focused on the behavior of the angler and the way they treat the fish when caught. That's more important than "Flossing"
I floss for chums all the time. They're always hooked in the corner of the mouth. It works great.
Best distinction I've heard! I even had a prolonged discussion with a WDFW officer I know a few years back and I didn't get a clear idea what exactly the difference was. Thanks very much!
Just did salmon this year and new to steel head and this tutorial was very helpful. I am a catch and release guy and I did not know what flossing was. I now understand and definitely will not be doing it. I am in this game for the chase and sport. Just like deer hunting.
Thank you! I always saw the terms, but never knew what they were.
After this dudes video u still dont know their true meaning lol he is clueless
Used to see guys throwing 15-20' leaders out here at our hatchery. Can't fish that area anymore cuz too many people poaching salmon
Flossing is what people who doen't know how to fish or what a bite feels like do. If fish don't bite they don't bite. It is really irritating how many people think this is fishing, and legal. Its not. Do us all a favor, shorten your leaders or switch to bobbers and jigs or better yet get your fish from the store.
@@dumbboyshortvids3139 like I said if you are flossing because you need " resources " go to the store, not my river. Flossing aka snagging is illegal., but thanks for your opinion
@@dumbboyshortvids3139 I'm glad you feel good about flossing fish, you should learn the bite and have a great time actually feeling when a fish bites your lure. Flossing is for beginners. Keep on doing what you enjoy, and good luck learning how to truly drift fish.
@@dumbboyshortvids3139 I don't know who taught you flossing wasn't frowned upon 30 years ago, it has always been frowned upon. I'm 50 and have been steelhead and salmon fishing since I was 10, and flossing was and has always been looked down on. You read magazines books watch TV shows, nobody is explaining how to floss fish. If it was a great way for beginners to catch fish you would see it everywhere. The fact we are having this conversation and people are putting out videos what not to do should tell you it's not a technique people like or should use.
I wouldn't advocate people going to the store to buy fish. Commercial fishing is killing the salmon fishing industry and it isn't sustainable. Just saying pick your battles. I fish with a bobber 90% of the time but when I do dift fish I use a short leader usually around 20in or less and have been accused of flossing. One guy got a bloody nose because he wouldn't shut up. I also use floaters in my spawn bags when I dift fish.... a clear sign that a person is not trying to floss. I'd personally rather see a few people flossing than have a 500ft trawler scooping up 100's of thousands of pounds of salmon and by catch at a time. My point is pick your battles.
Joshua Vanderschaaf hundred percent agree with your statement
I used to floss all the time till it became illegal. Had a blast and always had the hook inside the mouth. The fun and sport is having the fish on the end of your line, where it becomes bs is when people start using treble hooks and take more than what they are allowed. I’d floss if it were legal because I don’t think it’s unethical. Just my opinion though. Oh, and I only sport fish since I don’t eat them. Just love fishing
it's always been illegal in Washington.. the definition of snagging is hooking a fish in such a way that the fish does not "voluntarily take the hooks into it's mouth" that has been in the WA reg books since i was a child in the 80s. flossing has always been snagging and still is.
@@roballen3026 Did I insinuate that it wasn’t snagging? I’m from California, and technically it’s still legal but they’ve put a limit on the amount of leader you can use. I believe it’s 6 feet now.
When I first started Salmon and steelhead fishing in Michigan in the 1970s, snagging salmon in rivers was legal. One reason my dad and I never went for salmon.
Steelheading was different. Snagging was not allowed. The primary method for fishing was drift fishing with methods similar to today's drift fishing methods. Since this was before lead issues, we would use a 3 way and leave a 6 to 8 inch tag off one of the swivels and just crimp a bunch of split shot on. If your weight snagged, the split shot just pulled off
Michigan outlawed snagging in the early 1990s
Fishing with a 3 way drop is exactly how I learned to fish on the Muskegon river.
Ok I know I’m kind of stirring the pot but I’ve often thought of this while fishing with my brother. He center pins and fishes beads about 90% of the time, I fly fish and will bottom bounce with spin gear. The set up with pinning beads 4-6” above the hook is how he and I guess most fish beads, when the is caught and brought in the hook about 90% of the time is from the out side of the mouth to the inside because the way the bead is set up away from the hook. That is a snagged fish. Fishing beads is the guilt free way of snagging ethically, correct ? A fish that eats a bait with a hook in it and is hooked from the inside of the mouth to out side of the mouth is not snagged but fairly and ethically caught, correct ? I can hear asses getting real tight over this. I argue with my brother constantly over this
Stopbeina Pantywaist I think many people view snagging as a way of catching fish without the fish eating bait or a lure. The fish eats the bead and is hooked in or around the mouth, I don’t see how anyone could really say that as snagging. This also helps the fish not swallow the hook, which I’ve had happen when using egg flies.
Ive flossed my whole life and we usually do that because the river is too muddy and not bait or bead fishable due to all the rains we get some years you might only get a few weeks with bait fishable water. But hands down its so much nicer when you can get them to bite... Also a lot of guys are plunking roe with spin n glos. Or they will fish a wee-wart or other plugs. Also another option is using soft beads, feather jigs or steelhead soft plastic worms with a lead head and drifting them under a bobber. Thats very productive where i li e and you lose a lot less gear also! Idk man just dont be a deushbag and keep yanking your fuckin 10 ft leader up over your head so hard like this guy in the video showed that your setup dont fly out of the water and end up 20 feet behind you on the bank. Ive seen people get whacked in the face with lead or even hooked.
You're missing the point of setting the best up from hook, its actually to protect the fish if its either bycatch or you're fishing for non retention species. The fish still take/bite beads (so not snagged), but with the bead up from the hook they wont throat the hook, and can be safely released. Yes, the hook usually doesn't end up inside the lip, but it's a much more ethical way to fish beads than sitting it right on top of the hook. It is absolutely not fleecing or snagging though. Not sure where your confused on that. But hopefully that helps you understand a bit better.
If a fish bites the bead then it isnt snagging..... the fish bit yur bait. That's called fishing.
Also if you catch a fish anywhere in the area from there mouth to there Gil plate you can keep them
Another great video. Question though; you kept saying “the unethical method,” when referring to flossing, is flossing unethical if legal? If so, is dip netting, Set nets, trolling, and using fish wheels also unethical where legal? Thousands of people in Alaska use these legal fishing methods each year and have been doing so for hundreds of years. I would agree that any illegal method of fishing is unethical but it is legality not the method that makes it unethical. JMHO.
Dentist told me to floss more... so here i am. Thanks!
Imagine thirty or forty guys setting the hook at the end of every single drift... the sound you hear is where places like the “helicopter hole” gets named. Not kidding.
Every single Washington river during Salmon season- regardless of species. Pick a day in October and I could drive you to any of a dozen spots. Guaranteed.
Pathetic. All those fish are biters if they aren’t harassed. The excuse is usually something like “I am just trying to feed my family” or “these fish don’t bite” etc.
I wish WDFW could just enforce the laws. Otherwise, I’d just rather fish somewhere else.
I appreciate Jordan taking a stab at an explanation but I feel like he left the bulk of my contempt for snagging out of the vid.
Jody Durant you think they bite in 1” water visibility? 😂
@slipknotmfkr3 you must be fishing the puyallup lol
Yup sounds like he fishes the Puyallup. The rivers I fish never get that dirty unless a huge storms dumps a lot of water. And yea they do bite. I've had some amazing days float fishing roe on the upper reaches of a river
Sounds like the American and Feather river
"Can you believe that fuckin thing bit my tiny little corki with 10 feet of leader?" Uh no not really.... lol
Thanks for the clarification
Good to know. I was always wondering the difference
Flossing takes skills 2 it’s not easy.
Lolololol
Says someone who's not a successful sockeye salmon fisherman...
Great presentation
Years ago in Sacramento before they made leader length regulations dudes would be using 12 foot leaders snagging salmon
Some might say its unethical, but the technique is actually safer to the native fish population. A native fish that’s flossed on the side of the mouth will likely survive after being release, compared to one that has sucked in bait and hooked in the throat or gills.
I've fished eggs and sandshirmp for over 20 years on salmon and steelhead and I think once have I had a fish that was hooked to deep to live. Keep telling yourself that it's safer cause you don't know how to fish
Nice video! What about catching a Salmon with a Double Hook Set-up and a Roe Bag? I was basically bottom bouncing the short leader (24" maybe), i felt tap, tap, tap,,,I didnt set my hook immediately, I hit my baitcaster button to let it go a little bit further, felt a thump, and then set my hook, caught the Chinook on the second hook (corner of mouth). I believe the fish chased my cured eggs and not a flossing or snagging technique.
Double hook set up is illegal in Washington when the anti-snagging rule is in affect except when fishing with a buoyant lure.
Depends where you live & what your fishing for
nice explanation. tks
Met Jordan in Portland a few weeks back, really cool dude !
Some guys are really good at it, it's kind of an art form unto itself. :)
I got upset watching some guys snagging silver salmon, one after the other, with fly pole set up, under a bridge. Fish were hooked in belly and tail. Confronting them, they explained they were "flossing". It may be legal but it is not ethical.
Snags in Washington are illegal. If its hooked in the body you have to release it.
@@troybranch9720 They were not keeping the fish. When a fish was caught they would horse the fish in, drag it onshore , abruptly take the hook out and kick the fish back in the water. Thanks for bringing that point up.
This guy maybe good with his idea but I've used eight leaders and still had fish yank it down and hook in mouth everytime , solid tie up for lead never any good, no feel if u have soft bite big fish on steelhead
I thought most corky yarn fishermen had turrets. Especially in the Puyallup river.
Both ways would be considered flossing here in BC by most people. It’s considered unethical to have your weight bouncing across the bottom but it seems like it works and you guys are catching fish ethically. Different country, different techniques even though we are next door neighbours divided by an invisible line.
You can't have the weight on the line below the hook in AK.
You guys are killing me. I can’t wait until I move to Kennewick WA.
don't think there are many places to drift fish around tri cities (for steelhead) most of it is trolling by boat. I'm mainly a bass and walleye guy but want to try drift fishing and i can't find a close place by to do it. And that is if they ever open the river up for them this year. If you know a few places by tricities to do this please let me know!
you can drift fish near tri cities there is a spot right on the banks of Hanford that is good drift fishing for steelhead. Jigs and shrimp work good there.
I will be traveling around Washington Montana Oregon.
@dumb boy short vids... I have lived here my whole life bud. Sorry just trying to expand my fishing techniques beyond what I know so far. I thought asking a simple question in the comments was a good idea. I hope not to run into you on the river. I’ve fished buoy 10 my whole life and bass and walleye in the tricities my whole life as well. -tight lines
No rod No reel thank you!! Appreciate the advise, I’ll give it a shot!
Awsome topic and way to crack open a can of worms l jordan .Iove it. I wish koehl and eric where to get in on the convo. See you out there bro
"unethical" that's funny, the entire state of Alaska snags. All these comments about " how would you like a hook being ripped across your mouth?" Do you know what you're doing if they bite? 😂
I do some flossing and what we do is instead of setting the hook straight up hard, we set the hook sideways upriver and we don’t set it hard, we do a long steady pull. If people are setting the hook really hard, they are snagging instead of flossing
Shaun Lehman depends on how u see it
Shaun Lehman never heard of that, the river I fished in wa for chinook and coho, every one go sideways instead of up and catch the salmon right in the corner just about every other time unless u are ripping the hook
I've been going down to a local river latley and all the guys are lined up in the river in a tiny ass hole. The fish are dumped by truck already cause of awesome dams! And every single guy. Probably 80 dudes. All flossings as hard as possible. I enjoy seeing all these major anglers. Lol.
Great video. I use a 3 and a half foot leader. I have caught plenty of steelhead. But i would have to imagine that even with a shorter leader that you could still be flossing a fish. Just saying. I also use corky and yarn. So I'm flossing because I use a smaller corky and yarn?? I guess i will just keep following regs and keep it legal. 👍
I am thinking the same, you are still dragging shorter leader on the bottom and snagging the fish, I am not the expert but would make sense to use float with the right depth to be really doing sport fishing and trying to entice fish to bait.
@@jerzyzwie yep!! Bobber down!!!! I use that setup as well.
2 foot plus your flossing where I fusion blow out people are flossing with 8 to 14 inches of like when blown out in pockets
Great video. I shared!
When you see someone s intentionally flossing, who can you report to?
Nobody because it's legal many places. If you're an animal rights activist maybe fishing is not for you
Good luck.
Having fished for Salmon in NY and in Oregon, you haven't seen "Snagging" until you spend a week on the Salmon River in Pulaski. I do not consider your unethical explanation to be an accurate representation of "flossing", I would consider that simply just snagging, even more so when they rip it sideways as hard as they can. I'm also not really sure how people can gatekeep this topic so hard and act like this is so unethical when lifting your rod. Under your own parameters of unethical, lifting of a rod in anyway shape or form is snagging, so by proxy, float fishing is also snagging. Personally, what matters to me more is how you handle and respect the fish, and intent of the angler. If someone goes out there, does a fly drift and picks up the line slowly, moving around and works the water, if they catch some salmon in the side on accident and let it go, no one should have a single issue with that, and I certainly don't. It's the guys out there with ocean rods, heavy braided line or thick mono, number 1 hooks, just walking the riverbanks, not casting, waiting to find some unsuspecting Salmon in a shallow bed, casting a foot of line over their backs and ripping the hook into them and keeping them, that people should really have an issue with. I think it all comes off as pretentious nonsense for most people who are so die hard on "Flossing" being so bad when the fish are not actively biting. Steelhead are obviously the exception to this are they are on and off munching.
Holy crap my town is filled with cheaters, watched so many springs get pulled out but typically only by the people woth super long leaders and yanking at the end of the run. Thank so much for the info, always keep it ethical.
Only had 1 on so far but only lasted about 5 seconds aha
That’s what’s gonna separate the men from the boys hahaha
Why is it unethical to not entice a fish to bite
Hunting and fishing!
Not totally true and I never run a leader over 36 inches, but what do I know!