Don't forget the astray series too. I always see SEED main series as the japanese version of live-action resident evil where a certain husband and wive combo got to much power too make their shitty fanfiction while the other member of the production crew is powerless to fight them.
Stargazer is still my favorite Gundam OVA ever. It takes everything great about the Cosmic Era and takes the bad things out (teenage drama, plot armor, reused animations). It's truly unfortunate that the soundtrack created for this short series was never released.
Looks at the Cosmic Era. Looks at the world of 2020 and what looks to be the future of 2021. Hears Boo call Cosmic Era cartoonish and absurd. Looks back at the real world. ... I... don't think you can describe your issues with the Cosmic Era with a straight face for much longer dude.
I used to think the same of the TITANS in Z; how could an autonomous branch of government operate with this monstrous a degree of impunity? Oh... OOOH.
@@TheLVJ Titans, A-LAWS. These are basically deep state entities. Also Anaheim Electronics, MIC and big tech. Don't forget the Earth Federation has a swamp before the war. In 00 S2, the Halevy family (Louise) fund A-LAWS and during the infiltration by Tiera and Setsuna, the place is full of elites with Ribbons pulling the strings behind the scenes. There's also media manipulation during the tower raid.
I watched SEED and Destiny for the first time last year. The entire time I watched it I would see the similarities of what is going on in our world now.
Yep, sadly many Gundam series are becoming almost prophetic at this point. Whether that be wing’s warning about umvs. G’s stance on war happening no matter what even if it’s hidden and the cost it takes on the planet and people fought up in it. 00’s warning of what will happen if we don’t stop. Not remembering seed or seed destiny. Iron bloods message about dehumanization and lost children. And of course cosmic era, everything just getting worse as the world spirals into chaos.
@spec ops Agreed. I still agree that the lesser-quality Gundam shows shoehorn stuff in, but it isn’t worth suspending disbelief cuz it happens. Also, your username combined with your comment are 10/10
@@darwinxavier3516 bingo, but it doesnt come as a surprise, just listen to his voice, he is a kid, he has a basic understanding , at best , of human behavior.
@@Astro75mm tbf, in normal military context, it is absurd. The problems comes down to the ground level where the ground commaders will give those orders. Orders, that, by right, should've never been given because it is a crime. But it is war at the end, and lots of people act differently during a war.
"shooting up a refugee camp because there might be terrorist there is absurd" I would agree on this take if only this absurdity isn't happening right now :(
One thing that stood out to me about episode 2 & 3 is the reframing of Sven's backstory. Beyond the literal brainwashing and excuses to cameo other Blue Cosmos characters, there's also the repetition of Sven's guardians trading him away like an object... but regretting their actions when it was too late. A few more minutes on that and less on the literal brainwashing might have been a better choice.
My problem with the CE timeline is that almost every thing in it seems lazer focused on portraying mustache twirling villains for (Japan) Orb to take the moral high ground over, Everyone is either cartoonishly evil or unbelievably righteous and holier than thou.
@@echos5823 Which if that's true...that's a surprisingly progressive take to have towards modern-day Japan. Fukuda is unironically much more open to such a concept than most of his country if that's the case.
Younger me: "what is this? what fun about watching suffering character loose everything and defeated at the end?!" Me now: "you know what, I take it back. Stargazer actually pretty good"
@spec ops Except in gundam no one ever managed to change the minds of anyone that matters, or even entire populations. How many Zeon remnants reappeared? How many wars were reignited? Even now, with the upcoming adaptation of the flash novels, war will reignite once again, almost a decade after the end of unicorn/narrative. 26 years after the OYW people are still waging war for the same (or very similar) ideals.
@spec ops gundam UC is about understanding and how people believe it solve the problems they face. CE on the other hand had a more cynical view, kinda fitting for a post-9/11 climate Gundam I guess... CEs point was that there is no silver bullet that can solve our problems and let us hold hand and sing Kumbaya. If you want peace you gotta work for it to maintain ans keep it. Hell, Jesus never created any world peace either. He only have stopped a genetic caste system being implemented wrorldwide by no-scope-soloing his way into command center of an already wavering and confused enemy, and remove the sole proponent for the genetic caste system. Since no one other than the chairman actually want it, the whole thing apart pretty quick. The actual ceasefire and peace that came afterwards was from people negotating and resolving their conflict through talks.
List of Gundam animated series to cover next: Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam Mobile Suit Gundam ZZ Mobile Suit Gundam 0083: Stardust Memory Mobile Suit Victory Gundam Mobile Suit Gundam: The 08th MS Team Mobile Suit Gundam MS IGLOO: Apocalypse 0079 Mobile Suit Gundam MS IGLOO 2: The Gravity Front Mobile Suit Gundam Thunderbolt Mobile Suit Gundam Twilight Axis Mobile Suit Gundam: Char's Counterattack Mobile Suit Gundam F91 G Gundam Turn A Gundam Mobile Suit Gundam AGE Gundam Reconguista in G Gundam Build Fighters Gundam Build Fighters Try Gundam Build Divers Gundam Build Divers Re:Rise ... Good luck!
This video is why I think the astray series are the only ones that works in C.E settings because while it is pretty over the top, it is much more lighthearted and not to serious compared to the main series. That way most of the characters in astray are much more believable and we can somewhat relate to them.
Give PG Freedom time. I'm sure there'll be a PG or PG Unleashed version of it. It's still a famous Gundam knowing that it's getting a real-life size statue in Shanghai.
I feel your objection to Stargazer's second part lacks... grounding. I'm not sure if that's the right word for it, but basically you're saying things are unbelievable or unrealistic, often despite the fact that they've happened in real life (or elsewhere in Gundam). Yes, people *often* blame entire categories of people for the actions(real or imagined) of individuals and groups. And yes, to the point of mass murder. Also, you brought up Operation British as not being too much. Yes, the actual Colony Drop itself was arguably justified, but do you remember where that colony came from? As Gundam The Origin showed, the entire population of the Colony was gassed because they dared to resist Zeon's rule.
Origin's considered semi-canon so that may not entirely be true. But the fact that instead of moving them off and then using it, Zeon literally killed the entire colony...
@@KillerOrca isn't commander cima of the cima fleet in stardust memories responsible for gassing a colony, the same one the mc from 08 ms teams parents died on, though she didn't know that they were gassing them ? I think that parts cannon
The images of the flooded city in the first episode are really reminiscent of New Orleans when Hurricane Katrina hit in 2005. Stargazer did come out a year after, it's not impossible some of kind of inspiration is there.
I think the Stargazer is a project to produce a smaller version of the of FTL, I mean there is the ZAFT's repurposed Genesis (correct me if I'm wrong) that was originally intended to push ships to achieve FTL and reach mars. Edit: a replica was built and Lowe used it to push the Re:Home and get to Mars
My only problem with the last episode is the out-of-nowhere turnaround the battle takes. It's like if NASA beat the Marines in a fight. I guess we're made to assume the Stargazer turned the tide, but we don't really get a good sense of that. Shams acts like a moron and dies like one. But the rest of Phantom Pain and Sven were plowing through those space Astrays like nothing until the plot decided they lost.
Everyone just hates so much on the first 2 seed series to seem like an intellectual but there aren't many problems with them besides slightly corny bordering on cartoony villains like Djribril and Azrael (who deserves his credit) and the Gary stu ness of Kira. The first cour of seed was fun to watch and the second half slightly worse but the finale was actually pretty well done with rau vs kira. Seed destiny gets too much hate for shinn but he's literally a 16 year old boy who had his beloved family and home stolen from him because of the incompetence of orb but his angst is justified.
Speaking for myself, Seed would have been okay if it actually hit its mark and got the right message across because everything else is fine (except for the Aegis because while I like it, it doesn't make sense technologically (it would make more sense as at least a second generation MS)) but could have been better. As for Destiny, I was liking more than Seed before the writing took a nose dive due to irl internal issues. Shinn's fine until that point but was the victim of the aforementioned writing issues. Long story short, I don't hate Cosmic Era but I feel that it could have done so much more and done better in more capable hands writing and direction-wise.
One of the underlying themes of the CE universe is genocidal hate for the "Other" which the Blue Cosmos group represents. All the hate crimes and war crimes in the years since SEED, Destiny, and Stargazer have shown that this theme is definitely one of the more relevant ones to our world. It's for this reason that Part 2 isn't as unnecessary as you described since it connects Stargazer to the overarching themes in the CE universe.
I've tried watching seed twice both times got fed up and gave up, never watched destiny because I haven't finished seed, but for some reason I watched stargazer and despite the lack of knowledge of CE, I thought it was pretty damn good.
You know why it's decent? Because it wasn't directed by Mitsuo Fukuda and not written by Chiaki Morosawa. I actually like the brainwash scene and I think it's necessary to the show, without it I wouldn't be impacted emotionally at the ending.
One thing about Stargazer is that it doesn't feel like it's related to SEED/Destiny. It IS related but there's some disconnect. The slightly different art style and lack of obnoxious angst helps.
I disagree completely with your take on the refugee camp being absurd. That kinda thing has happened so many times in real life. Especially in the years after 9/11 which was the event that heavily inspired the SEED universe. There were tons of war crimes being committed against civilians that weren’t directly responsible for the attacks and many times the civilian casualties were just overlooked. The refugee camp scene in stargazer illustrates that reality.
I can't totally agree with you on the 2nd part. We all ready knew that Phantom Pain already brainwashed their soldiers. So all that wasn't needed! We knew that from Neo Roanoke from Destiny.
As a soldier who deployed to war I have always both loved and feared in equal measure. A gundam/mobile suit would be absolutely a nightmare. Say 20 meters with the agility to deploy almost anywhere at the drop of a hat. F alla that.... Unless I'm the pilot. Then...look out
>Says Cosmic Era villains are cartoonish >Patrick Zala is basically Gundam Hitler with his GENESIS cannon You might want to watch Gundam SEED again for better understanding.
Real world has many examples of bad people who are cartoonishly evil. Look at HImmler, the architect of one of the worst genocides out there. There is a man, who sat up at night, thinking up better ways to torture another group of people. And they say Azrael is too far fetched.
Personally, I still really enjoyed both Seed and Seed Destiny despite its flaws, but Stargazer makes me wish for a cosmic era show with a similar tone. As fas as short stories go, it was pretty decent by itself and gives a different perspective. Totally worth a watch.
Boofire: I love how EW fleshed out Heero's characterization with the "little girl and her dog" scene. 10 out of 10. Excellent writing. Also Boofire: Well... I mean... If I ignore the military objectives for all the Operations in SEED involving things like orbital elevators and major bases, then they don't have military objectives so it's bad writing 1 out 10,
Ever seen majestic prince? It might be worth your time if you’re fresh off of seed. It’s an original show that take a many aspects of seed but, actively under minds many thing that held seed back, namely replacing the overly melodramatic and series tone with a quirky and wholesome tone while doing epic mech fight as well.
I'm new here and am more a Evangelion fan, but your Gundam vids are getting me more interested in watching it. Maybe you can cover Eva too? and more horror/Junji stuff ^_^
Part 2 sums up my problems with SEED in general. I totally get both governments going nuts and slaughtering everyone, but even in humanity's worse conflicts, such as the Eastern Front of WWII, ad-hoc alliances were formed to share food, tend to the wounded, and carry out other acts of basic human decency. The fact that pretty much EVERY soldier in SEED's universe turns into a complete maniac always just felt like lazy writing. In UC, both the Federation and Zeon soldiers act like humans, sometimes with honor, sometimes with treachery, while the governments do their damndest to kill one another. It makes for a much more believable story
... i mean, what? No, there are genocidal maniacs in both sides and there are more reasonable people on both sides. Just as example Patrick Zala was shot by his own man for trying to fire the giant genesis on earth, in Destiny we have entire fleets defecting from the Alliance when their bosses goes crazy. Thats just in the shows themselves. Evn the governments are ambigous, some factions are ideological hardliners, while others are more pragmatic.
We're still waiting for that G Gundam video Boo. It's not just kung fu fighting and people acting overdramatic, to its core it is still a Gundam show that explores most of the same themes UC did. I would also recommend looking up and reading the G-Files, the interviews/mini Q&As the director had for every episode where he goes into detail little tidbits about why the episode was the way it was. The show was very well-planned out.
“Shooting up a camp cause their might be terrorists there Is absurd” has clearly never read a history book... However I agree comic era has the worst villian’s.
Every time I here you talk about the franchise, I can't help but feel there's a terrible mix of 'you want a certain brand of Gundam's thing' mixed with ' you definitely miss what -series in question' was trying to do
Normally I'd agree but SEED and Destiny themselves missed what they were trying to do with how hard they dropped the ball. Because Fukuda's shows (outside of Dendoh and GPX) almost always botch the execution of their ideas. Hell, try and explain to me what Cross Ange was TRYING to do vs what it actually did. Cuz I'll tell you right now, that show was not trying to be trashy on purpose.
will you ever talk about Gundam double zeta? why people kind of hate it. I even notice you referencing it as being bad from the usual UC Gundam. I'm really loving your break down of Gundam shows really gives me new perspective to a lot of them.
The problem with Stargazer is that the mass of it is in the Astray Delta manga for which the rest of Sven's story is located. Don't get me wrong, Stargazer is one of the only saving graces for SEED out of the trash fire it was. But as you didn't bother to go through all of the source content, I could see why you say the things you said about it.
scape goats, mad conquest, group is small and unified and as such an invading army may choose to wipe them all out, religious extremism under the belief that other groups cannot exist since they believe they are the truth... yeah there are many reasons to explain however in the lense of today at least for most people it isn't justifiable... though there definitely seem to be those that want ideas stamped out and possibly wish those with those ideas die with it
I got the impression the Stargazer was supposed to be a testbed for the solar sail (and then put on a ship or colony), but other material says otherwise and it was supposed to on mobile suits. I mean,at least put it on s mobile armor for more storage space. I liked the Buster Verde but the Blu Duel always bothered me. The Assault Shroud was ZAFT's upgrades to the Duel, it was just weird seeing the AF do their take on the Shroud. The Duel was bare bones to begin with, I would have preferred to see a redux of the Blitz or Raider.
duel basically discount strike with better setting for close combat, maybe they realized with aegis has four beam swords make duel redundant so they just bolting 50 tonnes of armor on it.
The Stargazer was designed for deep space exploration. And in Cosmic Era, the best way for this is puttting those solar/laser sails. There are already ships and a mobile armor with such laser/solar sail. But Stargazer is the first time a "small"(relarively) mobile suit using such tech.
this is a very well put together and thought out video but I must ask, you are aware of the US’s war crimes, right? surely you know about drone strikes that killed civilians
That is the least of US war crimes. Any time US comes to ''help'' a country fight against terrorism, they leave it in a ten times worse state than they found it in. Honestly I consider them to be the real world villains, as war is so profitable for them, that they will literally use any excuse to play world police and invade places.
@@transformersrevenge9 that is why I don't understand why gundam fans often frame federation as "good" and zeon as "bad" , during WW2 there were some terrible people among allies and some good people among nazis
Great video! Where did you find the OST? The music at the beginning most specifically, the one that truly is from Stargazer. I've been looking for it for years.
Hey boo I got a very odd request....could you do a video on FMB and FnD’s voltz wars series? Yeah I know that’s very odd and I don’t know why I even bothered to even think of the idea but here we go.
In the future are you gonna do a video about code geass ? It Is my favourite show and I would like to hear your thoughts on it , It is pretty similiar to gundam ibo and 00
From an engineering perspective, foot vulcans are a brilliant armament for mech. They are a superb anti-infantry/light vehicle weapon system. As for your critique that shooting up possible terrorists mixed in with dozens or hundreds of refugees is absurd... I have to agree that it is, but that doesn't mean it hasn't happened, or wouldn't happen again. The My Lai massacre in particular comes to mind. Irrational commands are hardly unprecedented in military history. People aren't always rational, and the level of blind hate here is not at all out of the question for humanity. You say genocide is different from slaughter to make a point, but to the minds of the genocidal, the slaughter and erasure is the point. And hate can beget hate. Even in the 21st century, people are still profiled by race and religion.
where can I watch/download stargazer? Where I usually watch it+using other sites, everytime I try to watch, the second episode just freezes and episode 3 does not work
I likes your video. It had a lot of thought put into it. However being surprised by an off the books team doing something like wiping out an entire group of people just to get at a few is actually something that happens in the real world. We just don't hear about it as much because obviously they don't like the public knowing that it happens. A shady group like phantom pain would care even less about civis than regular soldiers. I mean if they use brainwashing on their soldiers why would something like that be off the table? If anything it makes the show more grounded in realism because a corrupt government would totally do something like that. Sorry man but you need to read some history books and get out more. You seem way too sheltered.
My question is this, where the fuck did they get billions of mobile suits and the man power to pilot them along with the mass amounts of resources to do so in the Cosmic Era? In UC, during the battle of A Baua Qu, they where around a couple thousand Mobile Suits and ships that carried them from both sides, i would say around 20k at minimum, 30 at most, with a small pool of limited produced units for specific task. Even further down the UC timeline, it still hadn't reach the millions due to the fact that the man power for all those Mobile Suits would be lacking if it had gone to millions of Mobile Suits due to the wars and terrorist attacks from both parties. maybe it would be scratching the million mark around UC 100, despite them having the ability to make clones, which takes time and resources to do so. But again, the man power needed was in short demand. Other eras had the same thing with lack of man power for each Mobile Suit they made and Mobile Armors. OZ/After Colony had gone to develop Mobile Dolls, After War the Bits and Flash system. 00 had Innovates/clones, made for 200 years and put into cryosleep with MSs made in secret from Theta and the world (no shocker as to why they have a large number of MS and man power). G Gundam, just super robot show so it has a small pass on the abserd numbers for them, just look at the nether Gundam and windmill valley. Even Turn A Gundam or G Reco doesn't have this many numbers of Mobile Suits, but they do have the man power for them. More in G Reco than Turn A.
I dont think we saw multi-thousands of suits at A Baua Qu. Maybe a thousand or two, total, on each side. Mobile suits are not small things, and they arent mass produced easily. Hell, a full compliment squadron on something the size of a Federation carrier is less than a dozen suits. And in 08th MS Team, we see like...9 suits TOTAL for an entire unit. Things dont get super crazy. But that just makes it work better honestly.
@@KillerOrca honestly i over exaggerated the numbers for some to get the point across, but yes, they are really, really expensive to make, maintain and ship to make a full squad, let alone a company. hell, there still is the issue of man power and capable pilots to operate them in most eras. few have the man power to make such a scale fleet to have millions of units, like 00 and G Reco, but that has to do with them having a ton of relative peace to do so with the later part cutting it down due to the insanity that is Ribbons Almark and Alejandro putting the world at risk and killing thousands to millions of civilians and military personnel for their god complex and gain. Even the clones/Innovates aren't even put to that number as most died in suicide runs and bombing in the Gagas as ordered by Ribbons for a quick victory. That's just one example to how small the forces are and can get if you start to think about all the lives lost and how much weaker a military force has gotten.
Asteroid mining brings alot of resources. But ofc you cant made billions of ms because there wouldnt be that many pilots. Unless the billion part is some new internet meme that I missed.
If star gazer had been given more episodes to flesh out its ideas, it could have easily been one of the best gundam series/ova’s ever
Stargazer shows what the Cosmic Era can be like when a certain director and his wife is not in charge
Don't forget the astray series too. I always see SEED main series as the japanese version of live-action resident evil where a certain husband and wive combo got to much power too make their shitty fanfiction while the other member of the production crew is powerless to fight them.
Cyberformula GPX SAGA: son..
SEED: Father?
*reused animation time*
Kinda wish that the Luke and Leia thing didn't exist.
Sad part of all this. Is that Gundam Seed predicted the DC riots with Blue Cosmos.
@@aliastheabnormal LOGOS is WEF in Cosmic Era. They run things from the shadows just like La Li Lu Le Lo from Metal Gear.
Stargazer is still my favorite Gundam OVA ever. It takes everything great about the Cosmic Era and takes the bad things out (teenage drama, plot armor, reused animations). It's truly unfortunate that the soundtrack created for this short series was never released.
It made me cry honestly something gundam doesnt do with me, usually i just robot go boom haha. stargazer made me feel
Looks at the Cosmic Era.
Looks at the world of 2020 and what looks to be the future of 2021.
Hears Boo call Cosmic Era cartoonish and absurd.
Looks back at the real world.
... I... don't think you can describe your issues with the Cosmic Era with a straight face for much longer dude.
I used to think the same of the TITANS in Z; how could an autonomous branch of government operate with this monstrous a degree of impunity?
Oh... OOOH.
@@TheLVJ Titans, A-LAWS. These are basically deep state entities. Also Anaheim Electronics, MIC and big tech. Don't forget the Earth Federation has a swamp before the war. In 00 S2, the Halevy family (Louise) fund A-LAWS and during the infiltration by Tiera and Setsuna, the place is full of elites with Ribbons pulling the strings behind the scenes. There's also media manipulation during the tower raid.
I watched SEED and Destiny for the first time last year. The entire time I watched it I would see the similarities of what is going on in our world now.
Yep, sadly many Gundam series are becoming almost prophetic at this point. Whether that be wing’s warning about umvs. G’s stance on war happening no matter what even if it’s hidden and the cost it takes on the planet and people fought up in it. 00’s warning of what will happen if we don’t stop. Not remembering seed or seed destiny. Iron bloods message about dehumanization and lost children. And of course cosmic era, everything just getting worse as the world spirals into chaos.
"They wouldn't haze a whole village just to kill a few terrorists..." uhh... every act of US imperialism since the 70s has involved this regularly.
"shooting up a refugee camp because there might be terrorists in there, is absurd" WHOAH
Yeeeeea... about that.
“Shooting up a refugee camp cuz there *might* be terrorists there is absurd.”
Is anyone gonna tell him???
@spec ops Agreed. I still agree that the lesser-quality Gundam shows shoehorn stuff in, but it isn’t worth suspending disbelief cuz it happens.
Also, your username combined with your comment are 10/10
I think he grossly underestimates the depths of apathy and cruelty that humans are capable of normally, let alone during crisis.
@@darwinxavier3516 bingo, but it doesnt come as a surprise, just listen to his voice, he is a kid, he has a basic understanding , at best , of human behavior.
Well in part 1 it is the children who pilot mobile suit to shoot up cities...... So.....
@@Astro75mm tbf, in normal military context, it is absurd. The problems comes down to the ground level where the ground commaders will give those orders. Orders, that, by right, should've never been given because it is a crime. But it is war at the end, and lots of people act differently during a war.
"shooting up a refugee camp because there might be terrorist there is absurd"
I would agree on this take if only this absurdity isn't happening right now :(
Yeah.
One thing that stood out to me about episode 2 & 3 is the reframing of Sven's backstory. Beyond the literal brainwashing and excuses to cameo other Blue Cosmos characters, there's also the repetition of Sven's guardians trading him away like an object... but regretting their actions when it was too late. A few more minutes on that and less on the literal brainwashing might have been a better choice.
My problem with the CE timeline is that almost every thing in it seems lazer focused on portraying mustache twirling villains for (Japan) Orb to take the moral high ground over, Everyone is either cartoonishly evil or unbelievably righteous and holier than thou.
Im STILL trying to figure out who the fuck the good guys are.
The three way situation isnt fucking helping.
@@KillerOrca it's orb even when it doesn't make sense, apparently orb is the wet dream of what the director wants japan to be
@@KillerOrca Orb obviously. Inclusive, dont discriminate and welcomes everyone.
@@williamsova9313 Ahh. Soooo in other words, real good thing I dont care about this series, huh?
@@echos5823 Which if that's true...that's a surprisingly progressive take to have towards modern-day Japan. Fukuda is unironically much more open to such a concept than most of his country if that's the case.
Younger me: "what is this? what fun about watching suffering character loose everything and defeated at the end?!"
Me now: "you know what, I take it back. Stargazer actually pretty good"
Same
One of the overarching themes of Gundam as a whole is the horror of war. Child soldiers and collateral damage are after all, two of those horrors.
Gundam isn’t exclusively just those two things though. That’s why seed is decisive
@@jaypeterman9721 I never said it was.
@spec ops Except in gundam no one ever managed to change the minds of anyone that matters, or even entire populations. How many Zeon remnants reappeared? How many wars were reignited? Even now, with the upcoming adaptation of the flash novels, war will reignite once again, almost a decade after the end of unicorn/narrative. 26 years after the OYW people are still waging war for the same (or very similar) ideals.
@spec ops gundam UC is about understanding and how people believe it solve the problems they face.
CE on the other hand had a more cynical view, kinda fitting for a post-9/11 climate Gundam I guess... CEs point was that there is no silver bullet that can solve our problems and let us hold hand and sing Kumbaya. If you want peace you gotta work for it to maintain ans keep it.
Hell, Jesus never created any world peace either. He only have stopped a genetic caste system being implemented wrorldwide by no-scope-soloing his way into command center of an already wavering and confused enemy, and remove the sole proponent for the genetic caste system. Since no one other than the chairman actually want it, the whole thing apart pretty quick. The actual ceasefire and peace that came afterwards was from people negotating and resolving their conflict through talks.
Stargazer is the only thing that almost redeems the Cosmic Era
Astray and Stargazer
Don't forget the Gunpla sales.
Don't forget the original Seed.
@@transformersrevenge9 Sorry but No
@@seraph_dalgon_9216 Seed is the best thing to come out of the CE, and it is the best mainline Gundam show of the last 20 years.
List of Gundam animated series to cover next:
Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam
Mobile Suit Gundam ZZ
Mobile Suit Gundam 0083: Stardust Memory
Mobile Suit Victory Gundam
Mobile Suit Gundam: The 08th MS Team
Mobile Suit Gundam MS IGLOO: Apocalypse 0079
Mobile Suit Gundam MS IGLOO 2: The Gravity Front
Mobile Suit Gundam Thunderbolt
Mobile Suit Gundam Twilight Axis
Mobile Suit Gundam: Char's Counterattack
Mobile Suit Gundam F91
G Gundam
Turn A Gundam
Mobile Suit Gundam AGE
Gundam Reconguista in G
Gundam Build Fighters
Gundam Build Fighters Try
Gundam Build Divers
Gundam Build Divers Re:Rise
... Good luck!
Gundam G no Reconsideringmylifedecisions
Reco in G: good animations, love the universe's design, the voice acting is nice, but unfortunately the story is nonsensical
Gundam series I don’t give a Fuck about.
No, he needs to cover G Gundam first
@@therasslintheatre2960 SHINING FINGER!
This video is why I think the astray series are the only ones that works in C.E settings because while it is pretty over the top, it is much more lighthearted and not to serious compared to the main series. That way most of the characters in astray are much more believable and we can somewhat relate to them.
Two Gundam kits I wish Bandai would make but never will: Perfect Grade Freedom and Master Grade Stargazer
Give PG Freedom time. I'm sure there'll be a PG or PG Unleashed version of it.
It's still a famous Gundam knowing that it's getting a real-life size statue in Shanghai.
There is a Resin Kit that you use with the MG Impulse Gundam to make the MG Stargazer.
It costs like E100 for just the resin parts though!
PG Noir and Stargazer.
I feel your objection to Stargazer's second part lacks... grounding.
I'm not sure if that's the right word for it, but basically you're saying things are unbelievable or unrealistic, often despite the fact that they've happened in real life (or elsewhere in Gundam).
Yes, people *often* blame entire categories of people for the actions(real or imagined) of individuals and groups. And yes, to the point of mass murder.
Also, you brought up Operation British as not being too much. Yes, the actual Colony Drop itself was arguably justified, but do you remember where that colony came from? As Gundam The Origin showed, the entire population of the Colony was gassed because they dared to resist Zeon's rule.
Origin's considered semi-canon so that may not entirely be true. But the fact that instead of moving them off and then using it, Zeon literally killed the entire colony...
@@KillerOrca isn't commander cima of the cima fleet in stardust memories responsible for gassing a colony, the same one the mc from 08 ms teams parents died on, though she didn't know that they were gassing them ?
I think that parts cannon
@@ashtonshephard3852 Different colony I think. Not sure.
@@KillerOrca its the same colony that used in Operation British.
The images of the flooded city in the first episode are really reminiscent of New Orleans when Hurricane Katrina hit in 2005. Stargazer did come out a year after, it's not impossible some of kind of inspiration is there.
I think the Stargazer is a project to produce a smaller version of the of FTL, I mean there is the ZAFT's repurposed Genesis (correct me if I'm wrong) that was originally intended to push ships to achieve FTL and reach mars.
Edit: a replica was built and Lowe used it to push the Re:Home and get to Mars
All I know about Stargazer honestly is that there's this girl who pilots a variant of the Duel, and, oh man, what a way to go out.
My only problem with the last episode is the out-of-nowhere turnaround the battle takes. It's like if NASA beat the Marines in a fight. I guess we're made to assume the Stargazer turned the tide, but we don't really get a good sense of that. Shams acts like a moron and dies like one. But the rest of Phantom Pain and Sven were plowing through those space Astrays like nothing until the plot decided they lost.
0:58 "They have to keep moving..."
I can never hear that phrase without thinking of Eren.
"I just keep moving forward..."
Well thought out and I am very impressed with the breakdown
Everyone just hates so much on the first 2 seed series to seem like an intellectual but there aren't many problems with them besides slightly corny bordering on cartoony villains like Djribril and Azrael (who deserves his credit) and the Gary stu ness of Kira.
The first cour of seed was fun to watch and the second half slightly worse but the finale was actually pretty well done with rau vs kira.
Seed destiny gets too much hate for shinn but he's literally a 16 year old boy who had his beloved family and home stolen from him because of the incompetence of orb but his angst is justified.
Speaking for myself, Seed would have been okay if it actually hit its mark and got the right message across because everything else is fine (except for the Aegis because while I like it, it doesn't make sense technologically (it would make more sense as at least a second generation MS)) but could have been better. As for Destiny, I was liking more than Seed before the writing took a nose dive due to irl internal issues. Shinn's fine until that point but was the victim of the aforementioned writing issues.
Long story short, I don't hate Cosmic Era but I feel that it could have done so much more and done better in more capable hands writing and direction-wise.
One of the underlying themes of the CE universe is genocidal hate for the "Other" which the Blue Cosmos group represents. All the hate crimes and war crimes in the years since SEED, Destiny, and Stargazer have shown that this theme is definitely one of the more relevant ones to our world. It's for this reason that Part 2 isn't as unnecessary as you described since it connects Stargazer to the overarching themes in the CE universe.
Stargazer is way too short for what it should’ve been. It also goes without saying the entirety of SEED should’ve been handled by the Stargazer team.
Ah stargazer the 08 Ms team of cosmic era
Finally someone said it lol
Thank god you made a video about stargazer. I love this short ona.
I've tried watching seed twice both times got fed up and gave up, never watched destiny because I haven't finished seed, but for some reason I watched stargazer and despite the lack of knowledge of CE, I thought it was pretty damn good.
You know why it's decent?
Because it wasn't directed by Mitsuo Fukuda and not written by Chiaki Morosawa.
I actually like the brainwash scene and I think it's necessary to the show, without it I wouldn't be impacted emotionally at the ending.
Sven's batch reminds me of the Kurt Russel movie Soldier except they have more emotions. Trained from childhood, raised as soldiers.
One thing about Stargazer is that it doesn't feel like it's related to SEED/Destiny.
It IS related but there's some disconnect.
The slightly different art style and lack of obnoxious angst helps.
It's like an alternate version of CE.
I disagree completely with your take on the refugee camp being absurd. That kinda thing has happened so many times in real life. Especially in the years after 9/11 which was the event that heavily inspired the SEED universe.
There were tons of war crimes being committed against civilians that weren’t directly responsible for the attacks and many times the civilian casualties were just overlooked.
The refugee camp scene in stargazer illustrates that reality.
I can't totally agree with you on the 2nd part. We all ready knew that Phantom Pain already brainwashed their soldiers. So all that wasn't needed! We knew that from Neo Roanoke from Destiny.
As a soldier who deployed to war I have always both loved and feared in equal measure.
A gundam/mobile suit would be absolutely a nightmare. Say 20 meters with the agility to deploy almost anywhere at the drop of a hat.
F alla that.... Unless I'm the pilot. Then...look out
>Says Cosmic Era villains are cartoonish
>Patrick Zala is basically Gundam Hitler with his GENESIS cannon
You might want to watch Gundam SEED again for better understanding.
Real world has many examples of bad people who are cartoonishly evil. Look at HImmler, the architect of one of the worst genocides out there. There is a man, who sat up at night, thinking up better ways to torture another group of people. And they say Azrael is too far fetched.
I really liked short Manga conclusion of this story.
Shame that it apparently it cannot be found anywhere on the internet anymore.
great video! criminal that its below 10k
Personally, I still really enjoyed both Seed and Seed Destiny despite its flaws, but Stargazer makes me wish for a cosmic era show with a similar tone. As fas as short stories go, it was pretty decent by itself and gives a different perspective. Totally worth a watch.
Boofire: I love how EW fleshed out Heero's characterization with the "little girl and her dog" scene. 10 out of 10. Excellent writing.
Also Boofire: Well... I mean... If I ignore the military objectives for all the Operations in SEED involving things like orbital elevators and major bases, then they don't have military objectives so it's bad writing 1 out 10,
Wait what ? What are you talking about ? Boofire didn't say anything like that about seed
Stargazer is not some Shakespearean masterpiece but its mere ~45 minutes have much more heart and "Gundam" than all of SEED and Destiny
Honestly, no
There Is nothing on stargazer that could be seen as something with More heart and "Gundam" than seed and Destiny
You’re again.@@jeevas868
Now what about Gundam Turn A.
Ever seen majestic prince? It might be worth your time if you’re fresh off of seed. It’s an original show that take a many aspects of seed but, actively under minds many thing that held seed back, namely replacing the overly melodramatic and series tone with a quirky and wholesome tone while doing epic mech fight as well.
Watching the entire playlist and wondering where/when you're gonna do 08th MS team.
I'm new here and am more a Evangelion fan, but your Gundam vids are getting me more interested in watching it. Maybe you can cover Eva too? and more horror/Junji stuff ^_^
I liked the foot vulcans, mainly because I like seeing leg based anti-infantry options.
MG Stargazer is needed!
He's back!
Part 2 sums up my problems with SEED in general. I totally get both governments going nuts and slaughtering everyone, but even in humanity's worse conflicts, such as the Eastern Front of WWII, ad-hoc alliances were formed to share food, tend to the wounded, and carry out other acts of basic human decency. The fact that pretty much EVERY soldier in SEED's universe turns into a complete maniac always just felt like lazy writing. In UC, both the Federation and Zeon soldiers act like humans, sometimes with honor, sometimes with treachery, while the governments do their damndest to kill one another. It makes for a much more believable story
... i mean, what? No, there are genocidal maniacs in both sides and there are more reasonable people on both sides. Just as example Patrick Zala was shot by his own man for trying to fire the giant genesis on earth, in Destiny we have entire fleets defecting from the Alliance when their bosses goes crazy. Thats just in the shows themselves.
Evn the governments are ambigous, some factions are ideological hardliners, while others are more pragmatic.
The EF never tried to genocide Zeon, what the heck?
We're still waiting for that G Gundam video Boo. It's not just kung fu fighting and people acting overdramatic, to its core it is still a Gundam show that explores most of the same themes UC did. I would also recommend looking up and reading the G-Files, the interviews/mini Q&As the director had for every episode where he goes into detail little tidbits about why the episode was the way it was. The show was very well-planned out.
Stargrazer is the best thing to come out of the cosmic era so far.
Expanse did a really awesome job with this
“Shooting up a camp cause their might be terrorists there Is absurd” has clearly never read a history book...
However I agree comic era has the worst villian’s.
It happening doesn’t make it less absurd.
Solution? Go to the camps and ask the terrorists to show themselves? That's suicidal.
Every time I here you talk about the franchise, I can't help but feel there's a terrible mix of 'you want a certain brand of Gundam's thing' mixed with ' you definitely miss what -series in question' was trying to do
indeed
@@Astro75mm IDK. Analysis and subjective stuff.
Normally I'd agree but SEED and Destiny themselves missed what they were trying to do with how hard they dropped the ball. Because Fukuda's shows (outside of Dendoh and GPX) almost always botch the execution of their ideas. Hell, try and explain to me what Cross Ange was TRYING to do vs what it actually did. Cuz I'll tell you right now, that show was not trying to be trashy on purpose.
The patrick zala loyalists were wasted villains in seed destiny tbh
12:06 "hard balance to STRIKE" The Regular way, the Sword way, the Launcher way, the Aile way, the Perfect way, the Rouge way or the Noir way?
Maybe the Dagger way
Stargazer is the reason why I wish the Astray/Gundam RedvBlue pilot got picked up.
what did happen in twilight axis??? I feel compelled to ignore it's existence
I’ve been waiting for this! Haha
I love Stargazer
COSMIC ERA Has the best side story from the entire francise, fight me..
Stargazer somehow make you care about the people, about the world, without having intense fight sense in a gundam universe
will you ever talk about Gundam double zeta? why people kind of hate it. I even notice you referencing it as being bad from the usual UC Gundam. I'm really loving your break down of Gundam shows really gives me new perspective to a lot of them.
i would love for you to do a vid about 08th ms team.
I honestly hope we get more century later because g gundam was nice and I want to see what happens next
The problem with Stargazer is that the mass of it is in the Astray Delta manga for which the rest of Sven's story is located. Don't get me wrong, Stargazer is one of the only saving graces for SEED out of the trash fire it was. But as you didn't bother to go through all of the source content, I could see why you say the things you said about it.
Stargazer supposed to be unmanned but suddenly attacked by Earth Alliance
It almost redeems the cosmic era almost
Astray also fills in plot holes about SEED, granted, they shouldn't have had to in the first place, but...
12:00 you make it sound like this is unique in both gundam and anime. This is the norm.
It really is hard to explain or justify genocide because it's happened throughout human history
scape goats, mad conquest, group is small and unified and as such an invading army may choose to wipe them all out, religious extremism under the belief that other groups cannot exist since they believe they are the truth...
yeah there are many reasons to explain however in the lense of today at least for most people it isn't justifiable... though there definitely seem to be those that want ideas stamped out and possibly wish those with those ideas die with it
Great video thank you!
Stargazer was the only Seed-related content I enjoyed.
Me too.
15min video and you didn't even mention the intensity of the song D:
Stargazer is honestly almost perfect standalone!
I got the impression the Stargazer was supposed to be a testbed for the solar sail (and then put on a ship or colony), but other material says otherwise and it was supposed to on mobile suits. I mean,at least put it on s mobile armor for more storage space.
I liked the Buster Verde but the Blu Duel always bothered me. The Assault Shroud was ZAFT's upgrades to the Duel, it was just weird seeing the AF do their take on the Shroud. The Duel was bare bones to begin with, I would have preferred to see a redux of the Blitz or Raider.
duel basically discount strike with better setting for close combat, maybe they realized with aegis has four beam swords make duel redundant so they just bolting 50 tonnes of armor on it.
The Stargazer was designed for deep space exploration.
And in Cosmic Era, the best way for this is puttting those solar/laser sails. There are already ships and a mobile armor with such laser/solar sail. But Stargazer is the first time a "small"(relarively) mobile suit using such tech.
Any chance you'll review Mobile Fighter G Gundam?
this is a very well put together and thought out video but I must ask, you are aware of the US’s war crimes, right? surely you know about drone strikes that killed civilians
That is the least of US war crimes. Any time US comes to ''help'' a country fight against terrorism, they leave it in a ten times worse state than they found it in. Honestly I consider them to be the real world villains, as war is so profitable for them, that they will literally use any excuse to play world police and invade places.
@@transformersrevenge9 that is why I don't understand why gundam fans often frame federation as "good" and zeon as "bad" , during WW2 there were some terrible people among allies and some good people among nazis
I can still wish for an Astray anime.
Great video!
Where did you find the OST? The music at the beginning most specifically, the one that truly is from Stargazer. I've been looking for it for years.
Hey boo I got a very odd request....could you do a video on FMB and FnD’s voltz wars series?
Yeah I know that’s very odd and I don’t know why I even bothered to even think of the idea but here we go.
Bonfire are you going to do the double o movie
In the future are you gonna do a video about code geass ? It Is my favourite show and I would like to hear your thoughts on it , It is pretty similiar to gundam ibo and 00
Heard the first season has that humping the table scene.
@@Joshua_N-A that scene is very important for table kun's character development
Hey, how did you get those Stargazer sound tracks?
From an engineering perspective, foot vulcans are a brilliant armament for mech. They are a superb anti-infantry/light vehicle weapon system.
As for your critique that shooting up possible terrorists mixed in with dozens or hundreds of refugees is absurd... I have to agree that it is, but that doesn't mean it hasn't happened, or wouldn't happen again. The My Lai massacre in particular comes to mind. Irrational commands are hardly unprecedented in military history. People aren't always rational, and the level of blind hate here is not at all out of the question for humanity.
You say genocide is different from slaughter to make a point, but to the minds of the genocidal, the slaughter and erasure is the point. And hate can beget hate. Even in the 21st century, people are still profiled by race and religion.
What's the 2nd music that's playing in this video?
So basically, it wasn’t long enough
where can I watch/download stargazer? Where I usually watch it+using other sites, everytime I try to watch, the second episode just freezes and episode 3 does not work
I likes your video. It had a lot of thought put into it. However being surprised by an off the books team doing something like wiping out an entire group of people just to get at a few is actually something that happens in the real world. We just don't hear about it as much because obviously they don't like the public knowing that it happens. A shady group like phantom pain would care even less about civis than regular soldiers. I mean if they use brainwashing on their soldiers why would something like that be off the table? If anything it makes the show more grounded in realism because a corrupt government would totally do something like that. Sorry man but you need to read some history books and get out more. You seem way too sheltered.
I just don't get where they will use that
BIG BIOLOGICAL HAND....
please do gundam z and zz , like your opinion on them
Boo loves Zeta (Camille even was his favorite gundam protagonist for a while) but hates ZZ
Anyone knows what the soundtrack playing at the start in the background?
Felt rushed but the story had potential and could be improved if it had more run time to explore itself.
This music sounds too much like Valkyria Chronicles theme for me to feel comfortable
But i cant find stargazer anywhere kira jezuz yamato.
Weird way to misspell Astray.
> bright spot
Astray, bruh. *press play on Zips*
I didn't understand what were you saying ... like describing something but only uses adjectives ... confusing
"Over the Top but also takes itself seriously"
So CE is basically a worse-implemented Code Geass?
Does anybody know how I can watch this?
TH-cam still has it I think.
Ha Gundam video with a Valkyrie Chronicles soundtrack, that is weird.
My question is this, where the fuck did they get billions of mobile suits and the man power to pilot them along with the mass amounts of resources to do so in the Cosmic Era?
In UC, during the battle of A Baua Qu, they where around a couple thousand Mobile Suits and ships that carried them from both sides, i would say around 20k at minimum, 30 at most, with a small pool of limited produced units for specific task.
Even further down the UC timeline, it still hadn't reach the millions due to the fact that the man power for all those Mobile Suits would be lacking if it had gone to millions of Mobile Suits due to the wars and terrorist attacks from both parties. maybe it would be scratching the million mark around UC 100, despite them having the ability to make clones, which takes time and resources to do so. But again, the man power needed was in short demand.
Other eras had the same thing with lack of man power for each Mobile Suit they made and Mobile Armors. OZ/After Colony had gone to develop Mobile Dolls, After War the Bits and Flash system. 00 had Innovates/clones, made for 200 years and put into cryosleep with MSs made in secret from Theta and the world (no shocker as to why they have a large number of MS and man power).
G Gundam, just super robot show so it has a small pass on the abserd numbers for them, just look at the nether Gundam and windmill valley.
Even Turn A Gundam or G Reco doesn't have this many numbers of Mobile Suits, but they do have the man power for them. More in G Reco than Turn A.
I dont think we saw multi-thousands of suits at A Baua Qu. Maybe a thousand or two, total, on each side. Mobile suits are not small things, and they arent mass produced easily.
Hell, a full compliment squadron on something the size of a Federation carrier is less than a dozen suits. And in 08th MS Team, we see like...9 suits TOTAL for an entire unit. Things dont get super crazy.
But that just makes it work better honestly.
@@KillerOrca honestly i over exaggerated the numbers for some to get the point across, but yes, they are really, really expensive to make, maintain and ship to make a full squad, let alone a company. hell, there still is the issue of man power and capable pilots to operate them in most eras. few have the man power to make such a scale fleet to have millions of units, like 00 and G Reco, but that has to do with them having a ton of relative peace to do so with the later part cutting it down due to the insanity that is Ribbons Almark and Alejandro putting the world at risk and killing thousands to millions of civilians and military personnel for their god complex and gain. Even the clones/Innovates aren't even put to that number as most died in suicide runs and bombing in the Gagas as ordered by Ribbons for a quick victory.
That's just one example to how small the forces are and can get if you start to think about all the lives lost and how much weaker a military force has gotten.
Asteroid mining brings alot of resources. But ofc you cant made billions of ms because there wouldnt be that many pilots.
Unless the billion part is some new internet meme that I missed.
@@echos5823 those asteroids are near Earth. Imagine the resources that is between Mars and Jupiter.