I think it says the same for me and I'm not even an accelerator. Granted it used to say 2022-2023. I'm just hoping what it says comes true some day soon
I really want this car to make it to market. Especially since it already died and was revived once before... The world needs this vehicle more than anything else on the market!
No the Ellio was something else. The original Aptera, several years ago, was a 300mpg gas car. The new management that took over wanted to make a 4 wheel version, so the original team left, and the new owners tried changing design and quickly ran out of money.
Self driving cars will transform earth much more in a few years than any amount of apteras ever could . , Tesla will destroy this company sadly , unless aptera uses teslas FSD technology. Aptera robotaxis for everyone!
@SkepticalCaveman that depends on the country you live in and how they classify different vehicles. In the US its classed as an autocycle. In Europe its too big to and too powerful to be an autocycle. Most of the world classes closed vehicles like this as a car. It might not officially be a car in America but in many parts of the world it is. You don't have to call it a car but people who buy it will use it as a car.
Really good to see this. I swore I'd purchased my last gasoline car back in 2007. I'm still driving it and waiting impatiently for a 3-wheeled solar-powered replacement.
Lots of ppl get whiplash switching to electric cars, considering your backing Aptera I'm assuming you know better but just a heads up on charging times/infrastructure being still fairly new. Also I heard you gotta change the oil in your electric motors after some time
@rexyoda you do realise that electric vehicles are safer due to lower part failure rates, less maintenance, cheaper to service and save most people several days a year in time they don't have to drive to the degas station. You just plug in when you get home. Don't believe the nonsense they write in the media. According to studies by the AA, in households that own an electric vehicle and a gas vehicle the electric vehicle is used 90% of the time. They're just much nicer all round. Get one.
Many people exist in families with at least 1 child. It is definitely not a family car, it's a single person's and childless couples car only. I say this as a huge fan of this car, who has a spouse and no kids. I'm their market, but also not the huge majority.
@@justinw1765 most families have at least 2 vehicles and only one parent needs to shuttle kids around. Whichever parent is driving kids around takes the "family" car and leaves the aptera for the parent not driving kids. Is that really so complicated?
@@FrankPhartzzz So basically you're admitting that families would have to keep at least 1 ICE or larger electric car? That was my point--a budget oriented family could not get by with just one Aptera. Believe it or not, but some (and more and more so) families do have to make due with just one car for the family. And a more well off family also couldn't solely rely on it either, unless they kept another larger vehicle. In other words, it is not a family friendly car. Want to do a family trip? Yeah, not going to be in this car obviously. Call it what it really is--it's a work commuter for one, or a couples car on the weekend or what not. The OP stated that *it would cover 80% or more of the average person's driving needs, which is only true within a limited context of, "yeah, most will still have to keep their larger ICE or other electric car".* This IS what I was disagreeing with. Is that really so complicated to be intellectually honest and grounded in reality? With that said, I love this car and I'm sort of their target audience. I really hope it makes it to production and succeeds. But I'm not going to be pollyanna and talk about how it will cover the huge majority of peoples overall driving needs solely. Plenty of ICE cars, Teslas, etc will have to stay on the road even after this car comes out. It's not "saving the world and the environment". It's mostly saving some lucky individuals some long term fuel costs. I've been told that they do have plans for larger, higher occupancy vehicles as well, so that is great. Then that 80% plus statement may then actually apply.
I can't even remember how many years now that production was " about to start" ! Now most of the manufacturing has gone overseas... They probably have a great set up in some countries without extradition agreements with the US by now. 💸💸💸
I hope you sell a hundred Apteras for every Cybertruck (and I love the CT, warts and all. )But this is like a Disney fairy dream in comparison - beautiful yet more than capable, and with a sparkle. Seeing Aptera succeed will make me smile.
Thanks for the quality video. The total number of listed Accelerators is 2040 now, with a total investment of $33.85M, up $600K from the time that they hit zero slots left. My page says Accelerator Aptera: Late 2024. I believe that they said that they would be letting in the investors who put their $10K+ in before the open Accelerator number hit zero, as long as their funding goes through.
I wouldn't plan on anywhere near the claimed "up to 40 miles per day", if you live somewhere less sunny or that isn't summer year round. Also buildings and trees will probably bring it down even further. I'd guess it will reduce number of charging stops, but not eliminate near as much as they claim. Now as someone with a garage, being able to use a standard outlet should save me some installation cost. Also if I charge at home during off peak hours it ends up about 10% as much as I pay for a 30mpg car(assuming 100 whpm is accurate). I know the local Tesla charging stations are about the same price per mile as gas, so even saving half of that when I charge somewhere isn't too bad.
Aptera has great management. Some people knock the delays, but the fact that they are not only still in business but in better financial shape now than 2 years ago and soon will be producing, says a lot. So many other EV start ups have gone bankrupt during that time as capital raising is so hard right now for EV start ups and even companies who have huge backers, like canoo and rivian, have had major set backs in going to production.
Welcome back! I am in the Accelerator Program (AP) and it says my delivery date is the first half of 2025. However, I am in the EU, a Greek national, and I still have no idea how to get the vehicle into Greece. I will appreciate any ideas.
Not all accelerators will get one of the first 2000. Some will want non-LE models. Some will want delivery (not Carlsbad pickup). Many will want RHD (right hand drive) and there has been no mention of doing a RHD LE run. I believe there are 10000 LE preorders but I expect many will drop out. My hope is they complete all the LHD LE builds then do a run of RHD LE. I'd change my custom build to RHD LE in that case. I got in when 20 slots were left. I though I'd exceeded my daily VISA limit but somehow the payment went through.
🤔I expect they'll need a different belly mold for a RHD vehicle. In that case I wouldn't expect a RHD until they get all the 400 and 250 mile range versions ordered made. So I'd say you're looking at 2027 or later before you see one.
@@fotoguru222 Yes I was afraid it might need new molds but hoping they'd allowed for RHD in the original design. By 2027 they might have non-US factories to make them.
I've been following the Aptera since the previous company tried to get it off the ground. At the time I was commuting a lot and it had great appeal. This was also before the idea of it being an EV was on the table. I am mostly WFH, so it's a little harder to make a case for buying one (when I do drive, I usually need a lot more interior room), but I do hope the company succeeds.
I just got an email from Aptera which makes me wonder what is going on with them and their path to production. They basically said that the $33m raised from the Accelerator Program so far was only enough to purchase the tooling for low volume production ie the production intent vehicles but not the tooling for high volume production. My understanding was that the tooling they set up at CPC last year was good for making 100,000 vehicles, but apparently that is not the case. Does anyone have any detailed info on this as it's more than a little concerning. It seems like they might have to use the production intent vehicles as proof of concept on which to base an IPO to raise the rest of the money. That's going to be an extremely risky strategy in my opinion. Maybe the first few high-value investors will get their vehicles this year and the rest will have to wait till they have enough money to purchase the high volume tooling. That is quite the bombshell they just dropped IMO.
@@AaronVets It came straight from Aptera. If you have an answer for it, spit it out. I'm an Aptera fan, I want them to succeed, but they just exposed a big roadblock that stands in their way. I actually hope they do go for an IPO and get some serious money in, that seems to me to be the only solution.
Don't worry. The low volume production line is a single part of the mass production line. Mass production is defined as tens of thousands of units per year. Aptera will only be making a couple of thousand units per production line. So even though the equipment is for mass production, only one line will still be classed as low volume. Once they prove it works they can go public, and get much more funding than they could without a finished vehicle.
Because the communications are not what I'd call rigorously honest, it feels shady based on a history of communication vs outcomes. I'd like to see this vehicle produced by a company with integrity and customer first focus. I think the current leadership means that this company isn't it. What a shame.
@@passivlife There are two sides to this, production and assembly, and they are happening in two different locations: Modena, Italy and San Diego, California. The production tooling is all in Italy, and the assembly lines are in California. What the email said (and I am copying and pasting this here so I don't get it wrong) is this: "With the $33 million raised through the Accelerator Program, we have secured the capital to fund the procurement of low-volume tooling and the buildout of the company’s first production-intent vehicles which will be used for testing and validation. After Aptera’s production-intent vehicles have been validated, the last step is to raise capital for the sourcing of tooling and equipment for high-volume production." Now, from what I understand, tooling is associated with production, and that's those big metal dies that they use to press out the carbon fibre body parts. Nothing I read in that message mentions anything about needing more money to build out multiple assembly lines (which are in California). I had always assumed that the tooling they just had made was good enough to at least press out the parts for the 2000 Launch Edition vehicles. What I read from this email though, is that after the PI vehicles have been made, they will have to make either different tooling than what they have, or just multiple copies of the same thing so they can have them all running at the same time to make production fast enough to get cars to customers in a reasonable space of time. To me, that's probably just wishful thinking at this point unless the Accelerators dig deeper into their pockets and raise another 33 million or the DOE loan gets approved. It seems like they are stuck with this low volume tooling which would take forever to make the 2000 vehicles, let alone the other 45,000 that have been reserved. The issue Aptera has, is that unlike Tesla, they are not charging $100k per vehicle for their first low-volume model, they are making them affordable, which is great, but that also harms profitability, and makes it hard to access capital to expand to cheaper models. I really hope that you are right that having one production line will be enough proof to get public funding (ie an IPO) so that Aptera can expand quickly. I guess we will know in about a year, if that is what is going to happen.
Was kind of hoping to reach a specific No. that matches the No. on my German license plate. But this remains a lottery and a too hard stretch to afford. Good enough to be on the list with late 2024 delivery. Hold my breath though until we might get more infos on how it gets road legal over here. Plus, it would be great to collect it in Modena.
Pretty sure low volume means building the first 8-16 PI builds. Hopefully after big investors see the PI builds can perform as expected they’ll sign, remember they have a few investors waiting to sign. Chris said they’re working through Terms with them. Both Chris and Steve have very recently said that they WILL be delivering first vehicles by EOY 2024 with complete confidence. I suspect that they’re just deciding between investors right now and terms they’re happiest with. But that’s speculation on my part. I’ve very carefully noticed they no longer say : “ hopefully deliveries by end of year” Just plain and simple : deliveries by EOY. In general I’ve noticed they like to under promise and over deliver, unlike Tesla who does the opposite. In a visit there late last summer, they told me the size of pack in gamma and range they were getting, they told me not to say the size in public, but in doing the math the numbers work out to power consumption between 91-100whr/mile,,well within advertised specs, and in another recent interview Chris again mentioned Aptera getting “ UNDER” 100whr/mile. I’m sure they’re not going to go official with this number until they can show it with a full production intent vehicle. Personally I predict the 100whr/mile mark will be easily achieved
I agree. I've met them both and had long conversations about it. The initial calculations were based on old composite materials that were heavier. And the 100wh/m was always for the heaviest 1000 mile version. I wouldn't be surprised if they surpass their aims.
It depends what you mean. The Alpha prototypes that they hand built as proof of concept have been around for a couple of years now, that's true. The beta prototype to test the drive train has is about 18 months old, the Gamma pre production prototype is about a year old and the production intent prototype, the final prototype is now being built. Should be complete in a month or two. It's a steady progression. We're in the final stages at least.
@@passivlife I wasn’t trying to be negative, I genuinely want to see these cars on the road. Build 1 car per day, next week build 2 cars per day. Optimize your process and build 5 cars per day the following week
Born in 1955, whenever naysayers and pooh-poohers sound off, I recall when Made in Japan was a joking insult. Until Japan started got industrialized. Then U$A companies stopped laughing. Patience is a virtue.
Not yet. Waiting on the delivery of the first production intent builds for crash testing. Should do well on front and side impacts. It has a 65cm crumple zone in the front, reinforced sides, and an inbuilt rollbar.
Thank you! Kudos to Aptera! Yes hard to stop the program at exactly 2000 so “ 2000ish” as the funds settle. Folks in the program can jockey for position with more $. My spot reads late 2024 ,which works for me.
Hope it will come to Europe soon, when my current EV's private lease ends in 2 years time I would love to buy or lease one of these, big enough for us and the 400 mile would be more then enough.
In what European city are you comfortably going to drive an 8ft wide car? Most Euro/UK towns are not suited to that. Plus Aptera said that reducing the width to EU required 2 meters (78.74 inches) would make them hit the body. Thus a narrower body would be required.
Probably all them apart from a few protected areas of old towns that haven't had their strrets widened for 800 years. All modern European cities are dimensioned for public transport, which is much wider than 2m. Every building has been built using machinery that is also much much wider than 2m.
@@Flaggyt I live in Scotland, although I hail from England. Most of our cities are 'old towns'; I don't know of any with 'protected areas'. But I do know that trying to drive as I said, comfortably, around any of them such as London, Edinburgh, or indeed Glasgow, in something 2 feet wider than my Skoda would NOT be comforatble and as for the rural areas where my family lives in Oxforshire and the Cotswolds, or in the hills of Scotland or Wales with almost single track roads............
@@ellaevansbolt I can hardly believe that 20 cm more width then the Hyundai (Kona EV) is going to make a lot of difference, especially when I've been driving through Europe with a 2.2 meter wide 7 meter long campervan. But that's the difference between thinking in problems or not I guess. ;)
I have been following Aptera since it promised us a gasoline engine getting 100 mpg next year. . It kinda reminds me of cheap fusion power plants.. . They will be here very soon.
Should have stations where modular vtol fans can dock….. vtol from Dallas to Ft worth. Drive around and then back to docking station and vtol back to Dallas…
Final costs are unknown until they release them im afraid. Hopefully staying around the current website prices. Range will be 400 miles on battery for the LE plus up to 40 miles per day from solar. Crash test results should be good. Large f1 style crush zone in the front, side impact reinforcement, airbags, roll bar, and the first aptera had the highest roof crush strength of any vehicle thanks to its strong shape. Reliability is a question of time. But electric cars have far fewer moving parts to go wrong, and aptera is a strong advocate of right to repair. So everything has been designed to be repaired easily and quickly by normal people, should anything break.
@@passivlife I gave up on Aptera years ago. Funny they are still playing around taking orders on a vehicle that does not exist. They keep fooling around changing a little this or that and making outlandish claims. There will be no Aptera available any time soon. They have made enough excuses to fill a dictionary. DOn't hold your breath.
I Remember seeing the aptera prototype for the first time years ago aand then tha sad news. I'm also building a vehicle that i think will be the future of personal transportation. I know it sounds exaggerated and maybe it is but i think it's pretty cool. For anyone interested i post the progress on my yt channel
2000 Launch Editions is not written in stone. If they make 2023 invester editions . No one is going to complain. Aptera is probably just honoring all investers that had started the process when 2000 was achieved. No, they are not going to knock anyone off the list of 2000. That is ludicrous!
I think this is a truly beautiful car, with any power train. It’s got the same draw as a Morgan three-wheeler, or any of those types of vehicle, a ‘Bond Bug’ etc, but will be much more energy-efficient. Truly an elegant and interesting design. But, like your University Dissertation in final year, it’s time the thing got actually done. Enough sidelines and talking, etc. The thing that will kill this, is failing to simply get it working and mass-produced. There’s a market, and it would burgeon if it would be out there on the road, assuming there’s no hideous issues get revealed by doing that. It’s the opposite to the Tesla jelly-moulds (although they are extremely good in their own right). This is literally an ‘enthusiast’s car’ that happens to be an EV. A WW1 pilot would buy one. It’s great - just get it done, get it out there, before it gets marked ‘absent’.
I remember the Elio, the Dale, and so many others that promised production but delivered nothing. A few even made it to production like DeLorean. Time will tell the Aptera car actually gets on the road and is successful. Yes, I might want one if they prove to be a good car.
Can you imagine adding a peacock looking fan tail made out of solar panels to spread out while it is parked for additional charging capacity?@@JoeBManco
I’m not sure I’d want to be in an Aptera when it meets a Cybertruck in a head on collision….it looks like a death trap to me. I don’t wish them ill but I’ll be very surprised if this vehicle turns out to be a commercial success….
The most expensive part of any ev is the battery, Aptera has only one third or even a quarter of the batteries of any other EV for the same range. It has far less body parts than any other ev, can be hand assembled because its so light, so no multi million dollor robots on the assembly line, and its wrapped, so no need for a 1 billion dollar (actual cost) painting system. Potentially its the most profitable EV ever made.
I really would love to see this car make it to the road but there has been so much talk and so little action on this project in the last 18 (!) years that I think a comparable (or better?) car from china steal your show for half the price befor you sell a single car to a customer...
I understand your point. But really, there is no other vehicle that comes even close to the Aptera. If people only want a cheap EV, then they can buy a second-hand tesla. If they want an engineering masterpiece, then they can wait for an Aptera.
Aptera is like the fusion reactors: it will always be only a few decades away. They still haven't solved the overheating issue for f... sake and they are talking about mass production?
They hadn't connected the motor coolers in the prototype because in a year of testing, it had never overheated until, as luck would have it, they were on TV. There is no overheating issue. They connected the coolers a week later and released videos of the Aptera climbing mountains in the baking sun. Do your homework before you comment.
The Aptera doesn't seem very impressive. With only two seats and limited cargo space, its practicality is questionable. Despite its 1000-mile range per charge, it's hard to imagine driving this small vehicle long distances, especially considering its vulnerability in accidents due to its significantly lower weight compared to most other vehicles. Engineering advancements can't fully compensate for such a substantial difference in mass. Its design limits visibility more than a motorcycle or bicycle, where clear sight is crucial. This form factor has been tried and rejected before. It might appeal as a sports novelty, but it can't compete with or replace standard-sized cars. The Aptera might end up being remembered similarly to niche vehicles like the 1970s Citicar or the 1980s Sinclair C5 and CityEl.
Depends on your view of technology. For the most advanced commercial road vehicle ever built, it's a bargain at twice the price. For the most independent vehicle ever made, it's a bragain. If you just think of it as a commuter vehicle, then yes, it costs about the same as any other commuter car, but with fewer seats.
You realise the production parts have already been made, right? They just need to ship, assemble and test the pi build. Technically they don't even need to test it, it's not bound by car regs.
It's not. Everyone who rides it in it says its incredibly comfortable. Me included. Also cheaper than most EVs, so it's clearly not aimed at rich people.
@@passivlife it basikcally an oversized electric bike, so unless it has magical suspension, there's no way it'll compete with a regular car for road comfort. The price is still too high. $33,000, and you're getting a tiny vehicle with 2 seats. You could buy a 5 seater electric car for that. So yeah, a rich people's toy.
The base model is cheaper. You don't have to believe me, but the ride quality in the unfinished prototype was just as stable and smoother than almost every car I've been in. If you really really use all your seats on a regular basis, then Aptera is obviously the wrong choice. If, like most people, you very rarely use more than one extra seat, then Aptera is, in my opinion, the obvious better choice.
With these numbers they will never make a profit in a hundred years. Is your math really this bad guys? You will be takin for a ride but not in any car?
You were probably saying the same kind of stuff when Tesla first started up. A lot of people were dismissive of it, saying a new, fully EV car company will never make it.
Good to see you back. I'm 222 on the accelerator list currently. Dashboard says: Estimated Delivery Date: Late 2024
Thanks for the info Raj!
Good for you. Hope you're happy with this amazing vehicle. Rewards for forward thinking! 😀
Late 2026 Maybe ....😆🤣🤣🤣🤣
I think it says the same for me and I'm not even an accelerator. Granted it used to say 2022-2023. I'm just hoping what it says comes true some day soon
I really want this car to make it to market. Especially since it already died and was revived once before... The world needs this vehicle more than anything else on the market!
What was the old version that died? The Elio or whatever it was called? The three wheel car they were trying to make in Louisiana.
No the Ellio was something else. The original Aptera, several years ago, was a 300mpg gas car. The new management that took over wanted to make a 4 wheel version, so the original team left, and the new owners tried changing design and quickly ran out of money.
Self driving cars will transform earth much more in a few years than any amount of apteras ever could . , Tesla will destroy this company sadly , unless aptera uses teslas FSD technology. Aptera robotaxis for everyone!
It's not a car.
@SkepticalCaveman that depends on the country you live in and how they classify different vehicles. In the US its classed as an autocycle. In Europe its too big to and too powerful to be an autocycle. Most of the world classes closed vehicles like this as a car. It might not officially be a car in America but in many parts of the world it is. You don't have to call it a car but people who buy it will use it as a car.
Really good to see this. I swore I'd purchased my last gasoline car back in 2007. I'm still driving it and waiting impatiently for a 3-wheeled solar-powered replacement.
Lots of ppl get whiplash switching to electric cars, considering your backing Aptera I'm assuming you know better but just a heads up on charging times/infrastructure being still fairly new. Also I heard you gotta change the oil in your electric motors after some time
@rexyoda you do realise that electric vehicles are safer due to lower part failure rates, less maintenance, cheaper to service and save most people several days a year in time they don't have to drive to the degas station. You just plug in when you get home. Don't believe the nonsense they write in the media. According to studies by the AA, in households that own an electric vehicle and a gas vehicle the electric vehicle is used 90% of the time. They're just much nicer all round. Get one.
This is an EV that makes sense. It covers probably 80% or more of the average persons driving needs and the price is low enough to be within reach.
Advertised price. They kept hinting at 20% inflation last year and refused to update price until it actually hits the market.
Even if it has combustion engine for rear wheel like motorbike it would make a lot of sense
Many people exist in families with at least 1 child. It is definitely not a family car, it's a single person's and childless couples car only.
I say this as a huge fan of this car, who has a spouse and no kids. I'm their market, but also not the huge majority.
@@justinw1765 most families have at least 2 vehicles and only one parent needs to shuttle kids around. Whichever parent is driving kids around takes the "family" car and leaves the aptera for the parent not driving kids. Is that really so complicated?
@@FrankPhartzzz So basically you're admitting that families would have to keep at least 1 ICE or larger electric car? That was my point--a budget oriented family could not get by with just one Aptera. Believe it or not, but some (and more and more so) families do have to make due with just one car for the family.
And a more well off family also couldn't solely rely on it either, unless they kept another larger vehicle. In other words, it is not a family friendly car. Want to do a family trip? Yeah, not going to be in this car obviously.
Call it what it really is--it's a work commuter for one, or a couples car on the weekend or what not. The OP stated that *it would cover 80% or more of the average person's driving needs, which is only true within a limited context of, "yeah, most will still have to keep their larger ICE or other electric car".* This IS what I was disagreeing with.
Is that really so complicated to be intellectually honest and grounded in reality?
With that said, I love this car and I'm sort of their target audience. I really hope it makes it to production and succeeds. But I'm not going to be pollyanna and talk about how it will cover the huge majority of peoples overall driving needs solely. Plenty of ICE cars, Teslas, etc will have to stay on the road even after this car comes out. It's not "saving the world and the environment". It's mostly saving some lucky individuals some long term fuel costs.
I've been told that they do have plans for larger, higher occupancy vehicles as well, so that is great. Then that 80% plus statement may then actually apply.
I'm just below 400 on Accelerator and my reservation page says Late 2024.
I am currently a bit under 1400 on the accelerator list, and my delivery date is late 2024. Hopefully, that will hold.
Welcome back.
Currently sitting under position 400 and my Estimated Delivery Date is also Late 2024
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Thanks for the Aptera news, these are exciting times!
GREAT To See You Back John…..presently Accelerator 159 Late 2024….WoooHoo
I can't even remember how many years now that production was " about to start" ! Now most of the manufacturing has gone overseas... They probably have a great set up in some countries without extradition agreements with the US by now. 💸💸💸
I hope you sell a hundred Apteras for every Cybertruck (and I love the CT, warts and all. )But this is like a Disney fairy dream in comparison - beautiful yet more than capable, and with a sparkle. Seeing Aptera succeed will make me smile.
It is both a work of high engineering AND art.
Thanks for the quality video. The total number of listed Accelerators is 2040 now, with a total investment of $33.85M, up $600K from the time that they hit zero slots left. My page says Accelerator Aptera: Late 2024. I believe that they said that they would be letting in the investors who put their $10K+ in before the open Accelerator number hit zero, as long as their funding goes through.
I want this car so damn bad!!!!!!
I would like to see an estimate of how long it takes to built the car once a car is started.
I believe they said under 3 hours.
Once they get to full capacity of 40 per 8 hour shift, one every 12 minutes. That’s the goal.
That is how fast they come off the line, not how long they take to build.@@willstreckfus4248
It's not a car.
This vehicle is the only EV that realistically addresses the lack of charging infrastructure for people that lack home charging.
I wouldn't plan on anywhere near the claimed "up to 40 miles per day", if you live somewhere less sunny or that isn't summer year round. Also buildings and trees will probably bring it down even further. I'd guess it will reduce number of charging stops, but not eliminate near as much as they claim. Now as someone with a garage, being able to use a standard outlet should save me some installation cost. Also if I charge at home during off peak hours it ends up about 10% as much as I pay for a 30mpg car(assuming 100 whpm is accurate). I know the local Tesla charging stations are about the same price per mile as gas, so even saving half of that when I charge somewhere isn't too bad.
I am an accelerator, current ranking is about 1100, delivery date is late 2024.
Aptera has great management. Some people knock the delays, but the fact that they are not only still in business but in better financial shape now than 2 years ago and soon will be producing, says a lot. So many other EV start ups have gone bankrupt during that time as capital raising is so hard right now for EV start ups and even companies who have huge backers, like canoo and rivian, have had major set backs in going to production.
My log in says delivery Late 2024. I’m an accelerator investor currently at #85
Can’t wait to receive my Aptera!
⚡️❤☀️
It's a lot bigger than a Sinclair C5. It might only have 2 seats but it has more cargo space than a Model 3.
At #44 LE mine says Late 2024👍🌞🙏
Welcome back! I am in the Accelerator Program (AP) and it says my delivery date is the first half of 2025. However, I am in the EU, a Greek national, and I still have no idea how to get the vehicle into Greece. I will appreciate any ideas.
The guys on the Aptera.Solar forum are almost all based in Europe. I think that would be a good place to ask, you are not alone with this problem.
Not all accelerators will get one of the first 2000. Some will want non-LE models. Some will want delivery (not Carlsbad pickup). Many will want RHD (right hand drive) and there has been no mention of doing a RHD LE run.
I believe there are 10000 LE preorders but I expect many will drop out.
My hope is they complete all the LHD LE builds then do a run of RHD LE. I'd change my custom build to RHD LE in that case.
I got in when 20 slots were left. I though I'd exceeded my daily VISA limit but somehow the payment went through.
🤔I expect they'll need a different belly mold for a RHD vehicle. In that case I wouldn't expect a RHD until they get all the 400 and 250 mile range versions ordered made. So I'd say you're looking at 2027 or later before you see one.
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Yes I was afraid it might need new molds but hoping they'd allowed for RHD in the original design.
By 2027 they might have non-US factories to make them.
I've been following the Aptera since the previous company tried to get it off the ground. At the time I was commuting a lot and it had great appeal. This was also before the idea of it being an EV was on the table. I am mostly WFH, so it's a little harder to make a case for buying one (when I do drive, I usually need a lot more interior room), but I do hope the company succeeds.
I just got an email from Aptera which makes me wonder what is going on with them and their path to production. They basically said that the $33m raised from the Accelerator Program so far was only enough to purchase the tooling for low volume production ie the production intent vehicles but not the tooling for high volume production. My understanding was that the tooling they set up at CPC last year was good for making 100,000 vehicles, but apparently that is not the case. Does anyone have any detailed info on this as it's more than a little concerning. It seems like they might have to use the production intent vehicles as proof of concept on which to base an IPO to raise the rest of the money. That's going to be an extremely risky strategy in my opinion. Maybe the first few high-value investors will get their vehicles this year and the rest will have to wait till they have enough money to purchase the high volume tooling. That is quite the bombshell they just dropped IMO.
That’s a lot of FUD.
@@AaronVets It came straight from Aptera. If you have an answer for it, spit it out. I'm an Aptera fan, I want them to succeed, but they just exposed a big roadblock that stands in their way. I actually hope they do go for an IPO and get some serious money in, that seems to me to be the only solution.
Don't worry. The low volume production line is a single part of the mass production line. Mass production is defined as tens of thousands of units per year. Aptera will only be making a couple of thousand units per production line. So even though the equipment is for mass production, only one line will still be classed as low volume. Once they prove it works they can go public, and get much more funding than they could without a finished vehicle.
Because the communications are not what I'd call rigorously honest, it feels shady based on a history of communication vs outcomes. I'd like to see this vehicle produced by a company with integrity and customer first focus. I think the current leadership means that this company isn't it. What a shame.
@@passivlife There are two sides to this, production and assembly, and they are happening in two different locations: Modena, Italy and San Diego, California.
The production tooling is all in Italy, and the assembly lines are in California. What the email said (and I am copying and pasting this here so I don't get it wrong) is this:
"With the $33 million raised through the Accelerator Program, we have secured the capital to fund the procurement of low-volume tooling and the buildout of the company’s first production-intent vehicles which will be used for testing and validation. After Aptera’s production-intent vehicles have been validated, the last step is to raise capital for the sourcing of tooling and equipment for high-volume production."
Now, from what I understand, tooling is associated with production, and that's those big metal dies that they use to press out the carbon fibre body parts. Nothing I read in that message mentions anything about needing more money to build out multiple assembly lines (which are in California).
I had always assumed that the tooling they just had made was good enough to at least press out the parts for the 2000 Launch Edition vehicles. What I read from this email though, is that after the PI vehicles have been made, they will have to make either different tooling than what they have, or just multiple copies of the same thing so they can have them all running at the same time to make production fast enough to get cars to customers in a reasonable space of time.
To me, that's probably just wishful thinking at this point unless the Accelerators dig deeper into their pockets and raise another 33 million or the DOE loan gets approved. It seems like they are stuck with this low volume tooling which would take forever to make the 2000 vehicles, let alone the other 45,000 that have been reserved.
The issue Aptera has, is that unlike Tesla, they are not charging $100k per vehicle for their first low-volume model, they are making them affordable, which is great, but that also harms profitability, and makes it hard to access capital to expand to cheaper models.
I really hope that you are right that having one production line will be enough proof to get public funding (ie an IPO) so that Aptera can expand quickly. I guess we will know in about a year, if that is what is going to happen.
Was kind of hoping to reach a specific No. that matches the No. on my German license plate. But this remains a lottery and a too hard stretch to afford. Good enough to be on the list with late 2024 delivery. Hold my breath though until we might get more infos on how it gets road legal over here. Plus, it would be great to collect it in Modena.
Will this vehicle get airborne if parked or driven in high winds? I live in a hurricane zone.
Pretty sure low volume means building the first 8-16 PI builds. Hopefully after big investors see the PI builds can perform as expected they’ll sign, remember they have a few investors waiting to sign. Chris said they’re working through Terms with them. Both Chris and Steve have very recently said that they WILL be delivering first vehicles by EOY 2024 with complete confidence. I suspect that they’re just deciding between investors right now and terms they’re happiest with. But that’s speculation on my part.
I’ve very carefully noticed they no longer say : “ hopefully deliveries by end of year”
Just plain and simple : deliveries by EOY. In general I’ve noticed they like to under promise and over deliver, unlike Tesla who does the opposite.
In a visit there late last summer, they told me the size of pack in gamma and range they were getting, they told me not to say the size in public, but in doing the math the numbers work out to power consumption between 91-100whr/mile,,well within advertised specs, and in another recent interview Chris again mentioned Aptera getting “ UNDER” 100whr/mile. I’m sure they’re not going to go official with this number until they can show it with a full production intent vehicle.
Personally I predict the 100whr/mile mark will be easily achieved
I agree. I've met them both and had long conversations about it. The initial calculations were based on old composite materials that were heavier. And the 100wh/m was always for the heaviest 1000 mile version. I wouldn't be surprised if they surpass their aims.
I'm on the list, but living in Europe we can not get it on the road - it is too wide 😢 Aptera needs to adjust to comply with European regulations.
thanks for the update :)
Hopefully this stays in regular production! We need a vehicle like this!
I am highly intrigued by this vehicle and hoping that they not only make it to market, but actually succeed. As Always, May God Bless you and yours! 😇
my date says late 2024
I'm in the mid 500s and it says "Late 2024"
it's going to be the coolest car on the planet to own.
Exciting times!!!
The website AI chat doesn't work. Premonition?
Not sure why they added it to be honest. Seems useless at the moment. Maybe it needs some training time...
These Aptera prototypes have been around for years, I hope they will get into mass production soon
It depends what you mean. The Alpha prototypes that they hand built as proof of concept have been around for a couple of years now, that's true. The beta prototype to test the drive train has is about 18 months old, the Gamma pre production prototype is about a year old and the production intent prototype, the final prototype is now being built. Should be complete in a month or two. It's a steady progression. We're in the final stages at least.
@@passivlife I wasn’t trying to be negative, I genuinely want to see these cars on the road.
Build 1 car per day, next week build 2 cars per day. Optimize your process and build 5 cars per day the following week
@justindawson5930 I know you weren't. Just wanted to fill in some information for people who are less familiar with the Aptera's development.
order # 66, 512 issued June 12th, 2023. figured on delivery in June 2024.
Born in 1955, whenever naysayers and pooh-poohers sound off, I recall when Made in Japan was a joking insult.
Until Japan started got industrialized. Then U$A companies stopped laughing.
Patience is a virtue.
Has this undergone NHTSA crash testing and if so what is the rating?
Not yet. Waiting on the delivery of the first production intent builds for crash testing. Should do well on front and side impacts. It has a 65cm crumple zone in the front, reinforced sides, and an inbuilt rollbar.
Maybe they can get them passed in states that class them as motorcycles first.😊
Thank you! Kudos to Aptera!
Yes hard to stop the program at exactly 2000 so “ 2000ish” as the funds settle. Folks in the program can jockey for position with more $.
My spot reads late 2024 ,which works for me.
Hope it will come to Europe soon, when my current EV's private lease ends in 2 years time I would love to buy or lease one of these, big enough for us and the 400 mile would be more then enough.
In what European city are you comfortably going to drive an 8ft wide car? Most Euro/UK towns are not suited to that. Plus Aptera said that reducing the width to EU required 2 meters (78.74 inches) would make them hit the body. Thus a narrower body would be required.
Probably all them apart from a few protected areas of old towns that haven't had their strrets widened for 800 years. All modern European cities are dimensioned for public transport, which is much wider than 2m. Every building has been built using machinery that is also much much wider than 2m.
@@ellaevansbolt pretty much every European city have you even ever been in Europe?
@@Flaggyt I live in Scotland, although I hail from England. Most of our cities are 'old towns'; I don't know of any with 'protected areas'. But I do know that trying to drive as I said, comfortably, around any of them such as London, Edinburgh, or indeed Glasgow, in something 2 feet wider than my Skoda would NOT be comforatble and as for the rural areas where my family lives in Oxforshire and the Cotswolds, or in the hills of Scotland or Wales with almost single track roads............
@@ellaevansbolt I can hardly believe that 20 cm more width then the Hyundai (Kona EV) is going to make a lot of difference, especially when I've been driving through Europe with a 2.2 meter wide 7 meter long campervan.
But that's the difference between thinking in problems or not I guess. ;)
For accelerators:
Accelerator Launch Edition Aptera
Estimated Delivery Date: Late 2024
I have been following Aptera since it promised us a gasoline engine getting 100 mpg next year. .
It kinda reminds me of cheap fusion power plants.. . They will be here very soon.
I sure hope they get to 1-3 months from paying down or whatever to delivery/pickup date.
Phew, I misread/misunderstood the title to this video as "Aptera going going" as in bankrupt, long gone, etc.
Take my money !!
Should have stations where modular vtol fans can dock….. vtol from Dallas to Ft worth. Drive around and then back to docking station and vtol back to Dallas…
You seem to be all wrapped up in the financials, how about some details about the product: cost, range, crash test results, reliability?
Final costs are unknown until they release them im afraid. Hopefully staying around the current website prices. Range will be 400 miles on battery for the LE plus up to 40 miles per day from solar. Crash test results should be good. Large f1 style crush zone in the front, side impact reinforcement, airbags, roll bar, and the first aptera had the highest roof crush strength of any vehicle thanks to its strong shape. Reliability is a question of time. But electric cars have far fewer moving parts to go wrong, and aptera is a strong advocate of right to repair. So everything has been designed to be repaired easily and quickly by normal people, should anything break.
@@passivlife I gave up on Aptera years ago. Funny they are still playing around taking orders on a vehicle that does not exist. They keep fooling around changing a little this or that and making outlandish claims.
There will be no Aptera available any time soon. They have made enough excuses to fill a dictionary. DOn't hold your breath.
The hearty people of Duluth and Billings are waiting. 🙄🤣
I Remember seeing the aptera prototype for the first time years ago aand then tha sad news. I'm also building a vehicle that i think will be the future of personal transportation. I know it sounds exaggerated and maybe it is but i think it's pretty cool. For anyone interested i post the progress on my yt channel
whats an apterry ?
Do you mean Aptarae? Plural of Aptera, or Aptera itself?
2000 Launch Editions is not written in stone.
If they make 2023 invester editions . No one is going to complain.
Aptera is probably just honoring all investers that had started the process when 2000 was achieved.
No, they are not going to knock anyone off the list of 2000.
That is ludicrous!
I think this is a truly beautiful car, with any power train. It’s got the same draw as a Morgan three-wheeler, or any of those types of vehicle, a ‘Bond Bug’ etc, but will be much more energy-efficient. Truly an elegant and interesting design. But, like your University Dissertation in final year, it’s time the thing got actually done. Enough sidelines and talking, etc. The thing that will kill this, is failing to simply get it working and mass-produced. There’s a market, and it would burgeon if it would be out there on the road, assuming there’s no hideous issues get revealed by doing that. It’s the opposite to the Tesla jelly-moulds (although they are extremely good in their own right). This is literally an ‘enthusiast’s car’ that happens to be an EV. A WW1 pilot would buy one. It’s great - just get it done, get it out there, before it gets marked ‘absent’.
Anybody remember the ELIO?
Wasn't it an ICE three wheel vehicle built in Louisiana? It sort of reminded me of a go-kart. I gather it wasn't produced?
@@d.e.7467 Yes, it was supposed to get 80 mpg but it never materialized. Now the company is working on producing a 3-wheeled EV version.
I remember the Elio, the Dale, and so many others that promised production but delivered nothing. A few even made it to production like DeLorean. Time will tell the Aptera car actually gets on the road and is successful. Yes, I might want one if they prove to be a good car.
Can you imagine adding a peacock looking fan tail made out of solar panels to spread out while it is parked for additional charging capacity?@@JoeBManco
Meanwhile, my 21 yr old Lincoln runs beautifully and costs an inconsequential sum to operate.
I’m not sure I’d want to be in an Aptera when it meets a Cybertruck in a head on collision….it looks like a death trap to me. I don’t wish them ill but I’ll be very surprised if this vehicle turns out to be a commercial success….
With 46000 pre orders, it's looking twice as popular as most normal vehicles on launch. But it is definitely niche, and I will admit that.
@@passivlife not sure 46,000 orders will be sufficient to achieve profitability….Cybertruck has 2.2 million preorders by comparison….let’s see!
The most expensive part of any ev is the battery, Aptera has only one third or even a quarter of the batteries of any other EV for the same range. It has far less body parts than any other ev, can be hand assembled because its so light, so no multi million dollor robots on the assembly line, and its wrapped, so no need for a 1 billion dollar (actual cost) painting system. Potentially its the most profitable EV ever made.
I really would love to see this car make it to the road but there has been so much talk and so little action on this project in the last 18 (!) years that I think a comparable (or better?) car from china steal your show for half the price befor you sell a single car to a customer...
I understand your point. But really, there is no other vehicle that comes even close to the Aptera. If people only want a cheap EV, then they can buy a second-hand tesla. If they want an engineering masterpiece, then they can wait for an Aptera.
They all say Late 2024. I'm just above 1400.
Aptera is like the fusion reactors: it will always be only a few decades away. They still haven't solved the overheating issue for f... sake and they are talking about mass production?
They hadn't connected the motor coolers in the prototype because in a year of testing, it had never overheated until, as luck would have it, they were on TV. There is no overheating issue. They connected the coolers a week later and released videos of the Aptera climbing mountains in the baking sun. Do your homework before you comment.
The Aptera doesn't seem very impressive. With only two seats and limited cargo space, its practicality is questionable. Despite its 1000-mile range per charge, it's hard to imagine driving this small vehicle long distances, especially considering its vulnerability in accidents due to its significantly lower weight compared to most other vehicles. Engineering advancements can't fully compensate for such a substantial difference in mass. Its design limits visibility more than a motorcycle or bicycle, where clear sight is crucial. This form factor has been tried and rejected before. It might appeal as a sports novelty, but it can't compete with or replace standard-sized cars. The Aptera might end up being remembered similarly to niche vehicles like the 1970s Citicar or the 1980s Sinclair C5 and CityEl.
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It’s built like a Formula One race car and has 180° camera system including an always on rear camera.
Has more cargo space than a Tesla Model 3. Average number of occupants in vehicles in North America is less than 2.
It's not a car so it competes against bikes mostly.
Rule of economics, as good or better for the same prie or less. They will alwys be small and will likely die off within 5 years.
With 46000 reservations and growing.... way more than tesla preproduction.
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Just too expensive for what it is
Depends on your view of technology. For the most advanced commercial road vehicle ever built, it's a bargain at twice the price. For the most independent vehicle ever made, it's a bragain. If you just think of it as a commuter vehicle, then yes, it costs about the same as any other commuter car, but with fewer seats.
Going, going, gone since 2006.. Like a fart in the breeze... Will make production.... In 2030 maybe..
You realise the production parts have already been made, right? They just need to ship, assemble and test the pi build. Technically they don't even need to test it, it's not bound by car regs.
Another overpriced toy for rich people. Looks like it would be extremely uncomfortable to ride in.
It's not. Everyone who rides it in it says its incredibly comfortable. Me included. Also cheaper than most EVs, so it's clearly not aimed at rich people.
@@passivlife it basikcally an oversized electric bike, so unless it has magical suspension, there's no way it'll compete with a regular car for road comfort. The price is still too high. $33,000, and you're getting a tiny vehicle with 2 seats. You could buy a 5 seater electric car for that. So yeah, a rich people's toy.
The base model is cheaper. You don't have to believe me, but the ride quality in the unfinished prototype was just as stable and smoother than almost every car I've been in. If you really really use all your seats on a regular basis, then Aptera is obviously the wrong choice. If, like most people, you very rarely use more than one extra seat, then Aptera is, in my opinion, the obvious better choice.
With these numbers they will never make a profit in a hundred years. Is your math really this bad guys? You will be takin for a ride but not in any car?
Care to elaborate? What numbers are you referring to?
Now your saying you don't know which numbers to refer to to figure it out? You really are lost aren't you?@@passivlife
You were probably saying the same kind of stuff when Tesla first started up. A lot of people were dismissive of it, saying a new, fully EV car company will never make it.
Please think for the rest of the world too and add the metric units of measurement there. Thanks in advance.