I did a whole excavation of one in my survival world and took notes in a book (im a historian irl so LMFAO). Its clear to me that the "Platforms" are altars. To me, some of these trail ruins are set up like modern villages: same job blocks, but different structural design. It is apparent based on the ones i found that these trail ruins are geared towards battle. Grindstones, smithing tables. The towers have a very citadel-like vibe to them, which is what i call them. The towers have half-slab windows in them, perhaps for shooting arrows, and the bottom of the tower is often connected to some structure that feels like a safe-room. At the very least, the towers are very defense oriented and the rest of the buildings are more often than not there to back up the tower. This implies that the people who inhabited the trail ruins (presumably villagers based on the job blocks and similar setup) were once a very aggressive and combative race. Perhaps this points to a time when modern villagers were just aggressive as their neighboring pillagers. Just food for thought. Nice video!
The materials used in their construction would tend to point away from villager ancestors being the creators. As far as I know, the only real overlap with villages is the plain terracotta that shows up in desert villages. As Wiffles mentioned, the friend pottery sherd with a villager face also indicates the villagers existed then and were a separate group.
@@NitFlickwick why would the friend sherd imply that the villagers are separate? Also, the fact that the building blocks are different doesn't mean that it's a completely different species. The stronghold, dessert temple and the ancient cities use completely different blocks but he still in the video says that the were built by the same people. (
@@NitFlickwick or, it simply implies that they were friends with neighboring communities. Im not sure, but there is no other evidence for a "separate race" besides the master builders
@@DoolaidmanPillagers and Villagers are provably the same species, as shown in Minecraft Legends, where we see their origins, and also Minecraft Dungeons, where a Villager is cast out from the Village, and turns into an Illager, which is the same species as a Pillager.
a common mistake i see with a lot of recreations of ruins: people forget that wood and hay withers, they probably had roofs and various other structures constructed of those things alone. also ofc the random pottery scattered around is a little confusing, maybe they had a form of library back when that showed their history through pottery.
@@EdbertWeislyI don’t really think it would be, considering it was pretty valuable in ancient times. Even though they had pens, it’s safe to assume that those wool were mostly made into clothing
I kind of assume the pottery shards weren't pottery, there just part of the mosaic that is combined to make pottery, because that's more interesting than a block that looks like terracotta with weird symbols.
Large room 5 looks suspiciously like a pillager outpost. Mabye the villagers and pillagers were one faction at one point before a war? Maybe thats why the architecture is so unique.
In minecraft legends pillagers are villagers that went off to fight for the player against piglins, but when the war was over they were no longer able to reintegrate into villager society due to their newfound appreciation for violence and resentment for other villagers not joining the war effort
Truly truly i say to you all Jesus is the only one who can save you from eternal death. If you just put all your trust in Him, you will find eternal life. But, you may be ashamed by the World as He was. But don't worry, because the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand, and it's up to you to choose this world or That / Heaven or Hell. I say these things for it is written: "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, *teaching them* to observe all that I have commanded you; and behold, I am with you always, even to the end of seasonal". Amen." -Jesus -Matthew 28:19-20
Something I'd like to point out: "Host" might not refer to a role in their society, but instead to their *gods.* "Host" is a term used in Minecraft Legends to refer to the beings that created the Overworld- The Hosts, Knowledge, Foresight, and Action. The armor may have a religious purpose, a way of paying tribute to the gods or to denote a priest or something.
I really would like to see Minecraft’s theology be expanded upon in a future update, preferably by having a future boss be an aspect/avatar of one of the Hosts.
Some of the trims bear resemblance to real life runes. The symbols in runes often relate to a concept, much like the trims do here. Sweden used them for decorating purposes in the past, but other cultures used them for religious purposes. You might not be far off here!
The real-life host of a Minecraft world (whether it's a server or a PC) is also the closest thing to a god in Minecraft. After all, they're the only ones with unlimited access to console commands.
I agree. Minecraft Legends is basically confirmation that minecraft theology exists. Minecraft Legends says that the legend was passed down from villager to villager and so *maybe* there was some religious warping of the original legend by a derivative of the trail ruins religion and that religion one day became the dominant religion (Like the Abrahamic religions irl)
The reason they died is because they didn’t have protection no weapons were found.that would also explain why the villagers not only survived but also had iron golem.The connection they all had together means they could have a multi village nation unlike the villagers meaning the ancient buildings wouldn’t be able to use resources to fix each villages problems but what the king saw causing the nation to collapse and the villagers to use their resources to adapt and survive.
The blast furnances could just be implying they were aware of metal and used it for something. That should put the timelines somewhere around the Bronze Age if I'm not mistaken
I cannot stress enough how well done this is, this is exactly what I wanted to see when clicking this video, exactly what I was hoping for after reading the thumbnail and just the process and steps I would’ve taken to discover the secrets of the ruins. Thank you for this very enjoyable video.
I wish villages were built more like the ruins, they are all just wood house with some stone within a 10x10 area (exception being desert not using wood except for jungle doors) whereas these trail ruins are built by brick, mud, stones, and other unique. Like if it was repaired, it would probably look better than a village.
The bit where you looked at what the structures actually were and the age range was pretty good. Randomly choosing 2 of the 1000s of ancient civilizations that used bricks, stone, pottery and farming and citing the absence of wood (Which rots) disproving others was a bit sillier. But overall a good vid, I like the idea of pulling together a story of what happened to the people who previously inhabited the minecraft world. I wonder if they were us, villager/testificates or some 3rd group? The presence of zombie villagers as distinct from regular zombies implies other players did/do exist.
My other issue besides the arbitrary choosing of civilizations and implying a lack of wood when the civilization has been abandoned for so long, was also that while you can say that the ruins may be x years old, thats from "current day" *in minecraft* and not necessarily IRL. We have no idea what year the world in mc is equivalent to, at best we're looking at the iron age around the 13th century, or we could be looking at a tabula rasa apocalypse and its many centuries later.
I think that the "Host" armor trim is a reference to the Hosts in Minecraft Legends, which released around the same time as Trails and Tales. The fact that the Orb of dominance is shown in the cutscenes in MCL proves it to be Canon in the MC timeline, and it shows the birth of the Illagers, who would later own the Orb. The Well of Fate also may be the "Original" Ocean Monument, tying it into MC even further. I don't know why I went on that tangent.
My theory is that the host trim refers to the 3 hosts in minecraft legends, Action, foresight and knowledge. Since there are no structures in minecraft legends other than villages, piglin bases and the ones you build, it'd be safe to say that they were around the same time and the trail ruins were the builders' first true settlement after the war. The technology difference between trail ruins and MCL can be explained by the hosts leaving at the end, leaving the player almost knowledgeless of their world, and with the power of the allays diminished in the host's abscence, they have no help getting resources anymore. They have to resort to manual labor. This would also explain the blast furnace, because they've seen as much as giant catapulting redstone launchers in wartime, so it wouldn't be too far-fetched to say that it was their first complex machine they built on their own, having prior knowlege of that. Looking at your reconstructed version as well isn't all too dissimilar to the MCL villages. Also side note, the ancient city portal looks very akin to Action.
Mojang is a Swedish company and "hosta" is the Swedish word for "cough". Maybe the fourth armour trim is hinting at how the civilization died out? Clutching at straws, I know.
To me, the trail ruins always looked like just ancient villages. With all the villager work stations and the villager face, it doesn't have to be an ancient forgotten civilization.
I've been to that national park that you used for an example of ancient pueblo towns, and I can say with certainty that it is a similar experience to that in minecraft. Although the pueblos used much less vibrant and varied colors, the scale and overall experience of discovering these structures matches Minecraft very well
Based on the fact that they also made candles, we can assume that they farmed bees or collected honey and wax from wild bees. We can also find hanging signs (which says that they knew carpentry and might have doors too) and emeralds, which may indicate that they also traded goods a lot. Also you can find various stained glass panels in the loot.
The Stables buildings make a lot more sense when you consider that in cooler climates, for centuries, common folk used to let their few livestock stay in their dwellings with them in the winter. It was for shared body heat, so they could all survive the winter. It would get annoying and smelly, but it beat freezing to death.
This is a great video and I have to say thank you so much for the captions. I have a hard time hearing sometimes and concentration can be hard when you either can’t hear or you have to make the video really loud. Thank you for the captions.
10:00 (i can't do the timestamp) "the reason both of these civilizations are bad comparisons are the blast furnaces." As well as a few things you neglected too study, Location mainly. Local materials, soil ph and "looseness", lifestyle techniques to avoided biome hazards (mobs included, which is not something earth's civilizations have ever had to deal with) and many other things im missing. That being said you put a thousand times more effort then anybody else's on this topic and your builds are exactly what i would expect to see in minecraft so nonetheless i think its about as accurate as you can get with the minecraft blocks you were given. 10/10 video i get pedantic when im invested❤
This was awesome! I love having a time frame estimate, rough as it is. You should cover some of the other structures, maybe dungeons or trial chambers?
There was one room which i’ve seen before which i didn’t see when you were talking about the different parts of the structure, it’s like a massive castle looking thing with 2 towers on each side and are really cool
IDK if anyone has pointed this out yet but Platforms seem to be religious rooms, the Campfires are a pire, the Throne could be for a priest or king, and the empty ones could have had Talismen or other sacred items in them that dont preserve
One thing I noticed about Trail Ruins is that they look remarkably similar to the Villages in Minecraft Legends. Perhaps that’s something to consider and look into.
The host armor trim could be the ancient builders respect of the hosts from Minecraft legends. Plus, I found a gag about the Relic disc that you can find in trail ruins. Since Minecraft Legends was coming soon, they released the disk that has lietmotif to The Well of Fate in Minecraft Legends
@@thegeniuschannelwithlandon498 I think mc legends is a derivative of the trail ruins civilization and that the armour trims represent the hosts of trail ruins time
the people of the ancient trails didnt leave. like humans, their societies evolved. they are more than likely modern villagers. we see the exact same thing within our own world. or theyve been wiped out since a lot of the structures and jobsites seem to be combat orientated. possibly conflict with the inhabitants of ancient cities or the ancestors of the modern pillager.
I have my own world and I've dug out the ruins and rebuilt them slightly, and I figured that the part of the tower with the campfires is a cooking room, probably to cook meat for royalty or for just the entire city in general. (Most likely used for cooking all food in the city). (P.S, I'm a huge fan and ever since I started watching your Wifies' Theory videos, I've been making some of my own. Huge inspiration for a favorite passion of mine. Keep up the good videos!)
In my opinion the Mages of the Ancient builders made the spawners and put them into the chambers as some kind of rite of passage or test of aptitude both for individual warriors and even teams/groups. If they succeded, they would have proven themselves as true warriors and might have then: A) been given a sort of "adventurer's pass" that meant they could leave their settlement and explore the world (perhaps this was the trial key's use?). B) been drafted into the Ancient Builder's expansionary military and eventually sent to die in the Nether, the End or the Ancient Cities.
@gardenerguy2.065 My bad, gave it a google and turns out I mistook it for minecraft Legends which is not confirmed as canon but rather apparently a story told to a young villager. Still it's a shame that there is practically no indication of the events of Dungeons in the base game. If they simply added the mobs and other features from Dungeons they would basically have over half the update done and people would love it
I've never really thought about it too much, but the world of Minecraft must have gone through one heck of mass destruction event. Underwater ruins and temples, trail ruins buried under mounds of earth, destroyed and overrun ancient cities deep under mountains, surrounded by Wardens, ruined portals, and even mostly destroyed bastions within the Nether. Maybe a war between the realms?
A lot of this is really cool, and I like your ideas a lot. The pottery shards being proof that they 'dicovered', 'invented', or 'were the first to' anything is a pretty big stretch however. No matter how much cooler it makes the video sound.
In Minecraft Dungeons, the high block castle and the obsidian pinnacle weren’t built by the arch illager, but repaired by the pillagers after the arch illager had found the orb of dominance.. in the ancient ocean temples are large statues of villagers, likely hinting that villagers were some kind of species of humans (players) the orb of dominance also was used by the piglins in Minecraft legends too, and the nameless one noted to Archie that the orb is like a twin to his staff. Since the villagers knew of the orb from legends, and the nameless one in dungeons (who is a skeleton, therefor likely a dead human) it’s extremely safe to say that villagers and humans were put into existence at near the exact same time. (I wrote this after not sleeping for 16 hours so it’s probably super wacky)
New lore idea: when the ancient builders where makeing the wither they first made the breeze (there are many similarities such as when the wither first spawns in it has the same white rings as the breeze, the way they fly is also very similar and if you /summon a wither skull it looks very similar to a breezes head)
Wifies just becoming an anthropologist isn’t exactly what I expected to show up in my feed today, but I’ll take it. Very nice, I love the vid. Minecraft lore is really interesting. Keep it up, Wifies!
Old villages are my idea. As soon as you mentioned the structure that resembles a blacksmith, it clicked. Besides, the final structure looks like a really old village. This would also make sense as to why villagers existed back then too.
I always think that the Trail Ruins were just ancient villages because of some buildings having specific jobs and it seeming similar. Villagers could just have evolved from builders because they had houses, jobs, and a currency, so they had no reason to build and villagers eventually just forgot to build.
The sea level doesn't consistently rise and can also drop so what i think happened is that a cataclysmic event happened flooding them mud brick ruins that were built at lower altitude (also mud bricks degrade underwater very fast compared to stone bricks) The flood is hinted at by various elements :the moskstraumen achievement, the prismariene(which can be found as individual buried blocks in the sandstone ruins), and other things. And after the flood the stone ruins were build underwater intentionally which is hinted at by the fact that the ruins have prismariene blocks and sea lanters which work better underwater also other thing that work better underwater Also i think that prismariene is made out of enchanted quartzbecause the (green/turquoise color change) and because chiseled quarts has an an eye carved into it and eyes kinda means guardians and guardians are obviously made out of prismariene (and copper (the spikes)) (guardians are obviously golems so if we find a way to enchant chiseled quartz we might be able to craft guardians)
Issues I have with this: 1. The sea level rises due to climate change. The ocean level didn't always rise 0.14 inches per year. Over the last century, the ocean level has risen by 7 inches. Therefore over the last decade, the ocean level has risen an average of 0.07 inches per year, and probably even less before that. 0.14 inches simply isn't a valid measurement. 2. How does the fact that there is the image of a fire on a pottery shard at all indicate that this civilization used the campfires as a means of communication, it simply means they were aware of its existence and that it was somewhat important to their culture. 3. HOW DOES THE FACT THEY HAVE AN IMAGE OF SOMETHING ON A POTTERY SHARD SIGNIFY THEY WERE THE FIRST TO DO SOMETHING. I think this was just a mistake because it's not central to any of your arguments but . . . why? 4. The face pottery shard could also signify that the trail ruin creators were villagers . . . I mean we know the villagers lore wise can place blocks because they can build villages. 5. You said it yourself "This is a perfect look into the types of civilizations in the Minecraft world. Forest-dwelling and beach-dwelling." The age of the underwater ruins does not correlate to the age of the trail ruins. It makes no sense to estimate the age of the trail ruins based on the age of the ocean ruins. 6. probably some other stuff I missed. If you have any additional corrections or corrections to my corrections feel free to reply to this comment.
I always thought the villagers shared a common ancestor with the builders, but are not the ancient builders. I think thats from the fact that the zombies and zombie villagers look different, but they look almost identical to steve if they weren't zombified.
i remember someone talking about how the mojang developers are the “ancient builders”, and with each update they are just building extra stuff back in time so when the player spawned they would have more structures to explore
It all makes sense. Minecraft released a video about illagers, andhow when they went to war they somehow got sick. Many players on here say that these buildings either look like modern day villages or pillager outposts, and even those two combined. Another comment in here points out how the platforms look like altars, to worship and such. There re cat and chicken worshipping statues in spooky mansions, too! I think there was a big schism, half of the villagers wanted to fight and half of them didnt (based off what we now know from the new video minecraft just released) and maybe they had a schism, sort of like in a series of unfortunate events, half wanted to fight fires.. and half wanted to start them. But the war made the illagers sick, and therefore the old civilizations were left abandoned, maybe?
I made a new world yesterday and was oblivious to this update(( I’ve been playing on one world for a good year now)). I stumbled across terracotta in a birch forest and was perplexed to say the least. Your video added so much more excitement to uncovering the ruins!
One of the devs once said that the Minecraft games are all connected and take place in the same universe, and I'm sure you mentioned that in a video before. I would love to see a video where you do a timeline of the Minecraft universe, taking information from all the games and highlighting major events that happened.
The fact that people left stuff behind begs the question of why was this stuff left behind? Crop Failure? Catastrophic Natural Disaster? War With Neighboring Cultures?
I’m Thankful that someone as smart and funny as Wifies is able to upload so much with high quality content as well! Happy Thanksgiving to those who celebrate it! 🦃
I once made a similar study to you and came to many similar conclusions. I’m adding some of my own observations: - Just as you said, trail ruins and ocean ruins are likely related. I personally think there is a good chance the ocean ruins were built by ancestors of the ones who built trail ruins due to their less advanced nature but similar style. - Considering the workplaces and the Friend shard, the civilization that built trail ruins might have not only known NPC villagers, but be them themselves. - Their society probably considered mostly out of farmers, craftsmen, warriors and possibly merchants. - Apart from wheat and dogs, they might have domesticated other organisms as well, they just didn’t bother to depict them on pots. Particularly worth mentioning are bees. - The now ruined towns might have been much bigger, but parts of them didn’t get preserved, for example due to them being made out of wood. - There might have been many more such towns, but most of them were disassembled for building materials by latter people or turned into NPC villages over time. - The people who inhabited the towns likely didn’t have separate homes and workplaces yet and either slept on their workplaces or even not at all, similarly to early NPC villagers.
this has got to be my favorite video on the trail ruins because ive been wondering since they came out which civilization they could be based on, and i think you hit the nail on the head! granted im not a historian or archeologist, but i definitely think its a good educated guess
This is a great video, and I can really tell that time and thought was put into it. So, as we do with all things we enjoy, I'm going to gripe about the specifics: 7:15 It's a big leap to assume that: a) the sea level rise in Minecraft is equal to that of Earth, especailly given how reliant that is on systems specific to Earth, e.g. techtonic activity (which is less on Mars) and climate change (as in the natural cycles-- humans are causing the change in climate to change, not the climate to begin changing: acceleration more so than velocity. That said, it's still a problem caused by humans that needs to be solved by humans). b) the sea level rise is roughly constant over that timescale. Considering geological timescales, the sea level actually seems to have decreassed, since there was a time when Earth had exactly Zero continents, meaning no land at all. 9:26 I take up issue with the technological aspect as well, on two fronts: a) same as the a from before: Minecraft is a fantasy game (e.g. totems of undying, soul sand), and knowing magic is sure to speed up any research that you would do into technology. It's safe to assume that a society with more ways to experiment into these complicated and nuanced topics as science would be better able to make discoveries about it. We don't even know for sure if the Blast Furnace in Minecraft is the same as those in real life, as it could be aided by magical systems. (I've allways loved imagining quantum effects on magic fields) b) It assumes that the Minecraft world has a parallel timeline to Earth, ending in the modern day. I believe it's clear that it doesn't. There is no world in which Ancient Cities and Ocean Monuments could exist in the modern day, and you can't build a spaceship in Minecraft (insert joke about infinity snapshot). The technology isn't parallel, and I don't see why the time should be either, especially when it comes to scientific discoveries, which aren't parallel to begin with.
Hey wifies. The host trim refers to the hosts, somewhat godlike entities that were from minecraft legends. While legends are only loosely considered cannon, the trims were made as a reference.
I think this is what happened. There we're Three Cultures that arose from a new Era The Mainlanders The Greekish Roman Sea/River people And the Gothic Sea/River people The Mainlanders because they are far from the cost most likely didn't have transportation which means no boats and less advanced thats why they are living in this Primitive yet abtract houses The Greekish Roman Sea/River peoples however had the ocean for travel ehich means influence and culture spread quick and mostly got influenced by the Villagers that are living on the coasts The Gothic Sea/River peoples just like the Greekish Roman Sea peoples had the luxury of living near the coast but rather than villagers influecing them it was Illagers or some early for of pillagers which turned them most likely barbaric pirates I think The reason why there are no other builder apart from the olayer is that the gothics wage a war against the other two cultures and completely ignoring the villagers Wage a Generational war which led to the summoning of the wither and extinction of the three cultures *Minecraft Bronze Age Collapse" But I have a question? Why arent the other ruins as Ruined as The Trail and Ocean Ruins? The pyramids are Hardly ruined buried yet unruined uncrubled or the jungle temple mossy yet all of its redstone and the it looks like it hasn't even started crumbling still intact or the Ancient City yes the ancient cities have cracks but its ruins are still tamed unlike the Builder ruins,it hasn't been berried by deepslate and again its Restone is still intact.Which means all of these Ruins (except the theories Builder Ruins)were built recently
I started a world recently just to excavate one of these and it has been very interesting, especially given the decisions as to what gravel and dirt to remove and what to not remove
Towards the end of the video when Wifies mentions the message to us from 2000 years ago, I couldn't stop thinking about AOT. To you, 2000 years in the future. To you, 2000 years in the past.
This garbage wasn’t even funny when people were saying it a month ago 💀 Edit: I checked you’re channel and saw that you’re like 6 years old, sorry if I was too harsh 😥
There are plenty of intentional airpockets in hidden in the rubble. Likely left behind from rotten wood, which is generally overlooked by many who do these kinds of recreations It may also be useful to consider the position of archeology loot
I found trail ruins under a village. The pot shards i found went like this: wheat, heartbreak, fire. Nearby there is a pillager outpost. The story writes itself
I did a whole excavation of one in my survival world and took notes in a book (im a historian irl so LMFAO). Its clear to me that the "Platforms" are altars. To me, some of these trail ruins are set up like modern villages: same job blocks, but different structural design. It is apparent based on the ones i found that these trail ruins are geared towards battle. Grindstones, smithing tables. The towers have a very citadel-like vibe to them, which is what i call them. The towers have half-slab windows in them, perhaps for shooting arrows, and the bottom of the tower is often connected to some structure that feels like a safe-room. At the very least, the towers are very defense oriented and the rest of the buildings are more often than not there to back up the tower. This implies that the people who inhabited the trail ruins (presumably villagers based on the job blocks and similar setup) were once a very aggressive and combative race. Perhaps this points to a time when modern villagers were just aggressive as their neighboring pillagers. Just food for thought. Nice video!
The materials used in their construction would tend to point away from villager ancestors being the creators. As far as I know, the only real overlap with villages is the plain terracotta that shows up in desert villages. As Wiffles mentioned, the friend pottery sherd with a villager face also indicates the villagers existed then and were a separate group.
@@NitFlickwick why would the friend sherd imply that the villagers are separate? Also, the fact that the building blocks are different doesn't mean that it's a completely different species. The stronghold, dessert temple and the ancient cities use completely different blocks but he still in the video says that the were built by the same people. (
@@NitFlickwick or, it simply implies that they were friends with neighboring communities. Im not sure, but there is no other evidence for a "separate race" besides the master builders
@@p1ratesail0r there is evidence of a different race, pillagers vs. villagers, you can see this through their skin tone.
@@DoolaidmanPillagers and Villagers are provably the same species, as shown in Minecraft Legends, where we see their origins, and also Minecraft Dungeons, where a Villager is cast out from the Village, and turns into an Illager, which is the same species as a Pillager.
a common mistake i see with a lot of recreations of ruins:
people forget that wood and hay withers, they probably had roofs and various other structures constructed of those things alone.
also ofc the random pottery scattered around is a little confusing, maybe they had a form of library back when that showed their history through pottery.
In this case, Wool can also be one of the materials used for roofs
@@EdbertWeislyI don’t really think it would be, considering it was pretty valuable in ancient times. Even though they had pens, it’s safe to assume that those wool were mostly made into clothing
I do think that wood and hay are possible roof materials, because trail ruins are located in forests, and they do have some sort of farming skills.
not to mention they were in a forest
I kind of assume the pottery shards weren't pottery, there just part of the mosaic that is combined to make pottery, because that's more interesting than a block that looks like terracotta with weird symbols.
Unfortunately, Bedrock's trail ruins aren't very easy to navigate due to the fact that the tower is split in two.
That happened to me so I gave up looking for the loot :(
When I came across my first one I thought it was a but in generation
this used to be a comment about bedrock being bad. some ppl got a bit too upsettty spaghetti about it.
I hate u Ne-rey
@@XSV.Animate.Lab_723 who?
Large room 5 looks suspiciously like a pillager outpost. Mabye the villagers and pillagers were one faction at one point before a war? Maybe thats why the architecture is so unique.
In minecraft legends pillagers are villagers that went off to fight for the player against piglins, but when the war was over they were no longer able to reintegrate into villager society due to their newfound appreciation for violence and resentment for other villagers not joining the war effort
Minecraft legends explains this
Truly truly i say to you all Jesus is the only one who can save you from eternal death. If you just put all your trust in Him, you will find eternal life. But, you may be ashamed by the World as He was. But don't worry, because the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand, and it's up to you to choose this world or That / Heaven or Hell.
I say these things for it is written:
"Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, *teaching them* to observe all that I have commanded you; and behold, I am with you always, even to the end of seasonal". Amen."
-Jesus
-Matthew 28:19-20
@@gamer__dud10Ahh yes more unsolicited religious spam.
@@gamer__dud10 who asked
Something I'd like to point out: "Host" might not refer to a role in their society, but instead to their *gods.* "Host" is a term used in Minecraft Legends to refer to the beings that created the Overworld- The Hosts, Knowledge, Foresight, and Action. The armor may have a religious purpose, a way of paying tribute to the gods or to denote a priest or something.
I really would like to see Minecraft’s theology be expanded upon in a future update, preferably by having a future boss be an aspect/avatar of one of the Hosts.
Some of the trims bear resemblance to real life runes. The symbols in runes often relate to a concept, much like the trims do here. Sweden used them for decorating purposes in the past, but other cultures used them for religious purposes. You might not be far off here!
The real-life host of a Minecraft world (whether it's a server or a PC) is also the closest thing to a god in Minecraft. After all, they're the only ones with unlimited access to console commands.
I agree. Minecraft Legends is basically confirmation that minecraft theology exists. Minecraft Legends says that the legend was passed down from villager to villager and so *maybe* there was some religious warping of the original legend by a derivative of the trail ruins religion and that religion one day became the dominant religion (Like the Abrahamic religions irl)
Yeah that's pretty good!
“To you 2000 years from now” Well played sir, well played
Aot reference
@@MadovCyplinkov i just commented this. guess i was too late.
Wifies as a archeologist predicting buildings is what i never expected, but loves
The reason they died is because they didn’t have protection no weapons were found.that would also explain why the villagers not only survived but also had iron golem.The connection they all had together means they could have a multi village nation unlike the villagers meaning the ancient buildings wouldn’t be able to use resources to fix each villages problems but what the king saw causing the nation to collapse and the villagers to use their resources to adapt and survive.
i misread that as “i wife” 💀💀💀
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Huh. That's pretty good!@@IndosemaJ_analysis
@@Alfred_The_Late :)
The blast furnances could just be implying they were aware of metal and used it for something. That should put the timelines somewhere around the Bronze Age if I'm not mistaken
They added the bronze age collapse to minecraft 💀
@@a-bombmori7393 💀
@@a-bombmori7393Are pillagers the sea people?
But bro Egypt was supposed to survive
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Not a bad idea.
I cannot stress enough how well done this is, this is exactly what I wanted to see when clicking this video, exactly what I was hoping for after reading the thumbnail and just the process and steps I would’ve taken to discover the secrets of the ruins. Thank you for this very enjoyable video.
I wish villages were built more like the ruins, they are all just wood house with some stone within a 10x10 area (exception being desert not using wood except for jungle doors) whereas these trail ruins are built by brick, mud, stones, and other unique. Like if it was repaired, it would probably look better than a village.
It would look better, except for the exterior glazed terracotta
What do you mean by "within a 10x10 area"?
If there were ruins made of wood, the microscopic organisms of the universe would have eaten all the wood by the time you discovered them.
universe?@@Boomblox5896
Wood is a lot easier to get
The bit where you looked at what the structures actually were and the age range was pretty good. Randomly choosing 2 of the 1000s of ancient civilizations that used bricks, stone, pottery and farming and citing the absence of wood (Which rots) disproving others was a bit sillier. But overall a good vid, I like the idea of pulling together a story of what happened to the people who previously inhabited the minecraft world. I wonder if they were us, villager/testificates or some 3rd group? The presence of zombie villagers as distinct from regular zombies implies other players did/do exist.
My other issue besides the arbitrary choosing of civilizations and implying a lack of wood when the civilization has been abandoned for so long, was also that while you can say that the ruins may be x years old, thats from "current day" *in minecraft* and not necessarily IRL. We have no idea what year the world in mc is equivalent to, at best we're looking at the iron age around the 13th century, or we could be looking at a tabula rasa apocalypse and its many centuries later.
I think that the "Host" armor trim is a reference to the Hosts in Minecraft Legends, which released around the same time as Trails and Tales. The fact that the Orb of dominance is shown in the cutscenes in MCL proves it to be Canon in the MC timeline, and it shows the birth of the Illagers, who would later own the Orb. The Well of Fate also may be the "Original" Ocean Monument, tying it into MC even further.
I don't know why I went on that tangent.
My theory is that the host trim refers to the 3 hosts in minecraft legends, Action, foresight and knowledge. Since there are no structures in minecraft legends other than villages, piglin bases and the ones you build, it'd be safe to say that they were around the same time and the trail ruins were the builders' first true settlement after the war. The technology difference between trail ruins and MCL can be explained by the hosts leaving at the end, leaving the player almost knowledgeless of their world, and with the power of the allays diminished in the host's abscence, they have no help getting resources anymore. They have to resort to manual labor. This would also explain the blast furnace, because they've seen as much as giant catapulting redstone launchers in wartime, so it wouldn't be too far-fetched to say that it was their first complex machine they built on their own, having prior knowlege of that. Looking at your reconstructed version as well isn't all too dissimilar to the MCL villages. Also side note, the ancient city portal looks very akin to Action.
Good point. It kinda does
Dang maybe I want to play it now
Whoever lived in the trail ruins also had some pretty cool tunes considering that you find the Relic disc there
I have a feeling that the trail ruins were made by villagers, not the ancient builders. Almost all the buildings contain a villager job site
Mojang is a Swedish company and "hosta" is the Swedish word for "cough". Maybe the fourth armour trim is hinting at how the civilization died out? Clutching at straws, I know.
It probably has to do with some link to Minecraft Legends, as the Hosts are a pretty big deal there.
To me, the trail ruins always looked like just ancient villages. With all the villager work stations and the villager face, it doesn't have to be an ancient forgotten civilization.
"To you, 2000 years from now"
Nice AoT reference lmao
I've been to that national park that you used for an example of ancient pueblo towns, and I can say with certainty that it is a similar experience to that in minecraft. Although the pueblos used much less vibrant and varied colors, the scale and overall experience of discovering these structures matches Minecraft very well
Based on the fact that they also made candles, we can assume that they farmed bees or collected honey and wax from wild bees. We can also find hanging signs (which says that they knew carpentry and might have doors too) and emeralds, which may indicate that they also traded goods a lot. Also you can find various stained glass panels in the loot.
8:20 - "The ancestral Pueblo People"
Ah yes, the People People.
The Stables buildings make a lot more sense when you consider that in cooler climates, for centuries, common folk used to let their few livestock stay in their dwellings with them in the winter. It was for shared body heat, so they could all survive the winter. It would get annoying and smelly, but it beat freezing to death.
This is a great video and I have to say thank you so much for the captions. I have a hard time hearing sometimes and concentration can be hard when you either can’t hear or you have to make the video really loud. Thank you for the captions.
10:00 (i can't do the timestamp) "the reason both of these civilizations are bad comparisons are the blast furnaces." As well as a few things you neglected too study, Location mainly. Local materials, soil ph and "looseness", lifestyle techniques to avoided biome hazards (mobs included, which is not something earth's civilizations have ever had to deal with) and many other things im missing. That being said you put a thousand times more effort then anybody else's on this topic and your builds are exactly what i would expect to see in minecraft so nonetheless i think its about as accurate as you can get with the minecraft blocks you were given. 10/10 video i get pedantic when im invested❤
Oh the timestamp actually worked!
This was awesome! I love having a time frame estimate, rough as it is. You should cover some of the other structures, maybe dungeons or trial chambers?
I’m pretty sure that mojang, didn’t intend for someone to cover the lore, and most likely didn’t know about the lore, so that explains some stuff
There was one room which i’ve seen before which i didn’t see when you were talking about the different parts of the structure, it’s like a massive castle looking thing with 2 towers on each side and are really cool
IDK if anyone has pointed this out yet but Platforms seem to be religious rooms, the Campfires are a pire, the Throne could be for a priest or king, and the empty ones could have had Talismen or other sacred items in them that dont preserve
Gotta love that AOT reference at the end
One thing I noticed about Trail Ruins is that they look remarkably similar to the Villages in Minecraft Legends. Perhaps that’s something to consider and look into.
The host armor trim could be the ancient builders respect of the hosts from Minecraft legends. Plus, I found a gag about the Relic disc that you can find in trail ruins. Since Minecraft Legends was coming soon, they released the disk that has lietmotif to The Well of Fate in Minecraft Legends
@@thegeniuschannelwithlandon498 I think mc legends is a derivative of the trail ruins civilization and that the armour trims represent the hosts of trail ruins time
not the aot ref at the end "to you, 2000 years from now"
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Don’t stop making the unsolved mysteries and Minecraft explained videos. They’re really entertaining, honestly
Wifies never fails to entertain us with his content.
agreed
This actually made me like trail ruins because before this I had never had any luck with them, always thinking they’re just random bunches of blocks
‘To you. 2000 years from now’
Was that a fucking attack on Titan refrence?
another person who beat me to it.
The campfire ruin could be a brazier, which was essentially a warning bonfire much like how a flare from a flare gun works.
the people of the ancient trails didnt leave. like humans, their societies evolved. they are more than likely modern villagers. we see the exact same thing within our own world. or theyve been wiped out since a lot of the structures and jobsites seem to be combat orientated. possibly conflict with the inhabitants of ancient cities or the ancestors of the modern pillager.
I have my own world and I've dug out the ruins and rebuilt them slightly, and I figured that the part of the tower with the campfires is a cooking room, probably to cook meat for royalty or for just the entire city in general. (Most likely used for cooking all food in the city).
(P.S, I'm a huge fan and ever since I started watching your Wifies' Theory videos, I've been making some of my own. Huge inspiration for a favorite passion of mine. Keep up the good videos!)
Do you have any ideas for lore about trial chambers? I think those spawner variants are quite interesting.
I think they were made by whoever made the Gale Sanctum in Minecraft Dungeons.
@gardenerguy2.065 That would be really cool, but unfortunately Minecraft Dungeons isn't "canon" to our Minecraft worlds (I think).
In my opinion the Mages of the Ancient builders made the spawners and put them into the chambers as some kind of rite of passage or test of aptitude both for individual warriors and even teams/groups. If they succeded, they would have proven themselves as true warriors and might have then:
A) been given a sort of "adventurer's pass" that meant they could leave their settlement and explore the world (perhaps this was the trial key's use?).
B) been drafted into the Ancient Builder's expansionary military and eventually sent to die in the Nether, the End or the Ancient Cities.
@@Sagryl_the_Sentry_Construct Why do you think it is not canon. There is nothing to say it isn't.
@gardenerguy2.065 My bad, gave it a google and turns out I mistook it for minecraft Legends which is not confirmed as canon but rather apparently a story told to a young villager.
Still it's a shame that there is practically no indication of the events of Dungeons in the base game. If they simply added the mobs and other features from Dungeons they would basically have over half the update done and people would love it
I've never really thought about it too much, but the world of Minecraft must have gone through one heck of mass destruction event. Underwater ruins and temples, trail ruins buried under mounds of earth, destroyed and overrun ancient cities deep under mountains, surrounded by Wardens, ruined portals, and even mostly destroyed bastions within the Nether. Maybe a war between the realms?
if you think fire was invented 2000 years ago there's a few high school history classes I think you would like
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A lot of this is really cool, and I like your ideas a lot. The pottery shards being proof that they 'dicovered', 'invented', or 'were the first to' anything is a pretty big stretch however. No matter how much cooler it makes the video sound.
I like to imagine that Mojang watches these videos and go "Hm, I never thought abut that before 🤔"
nice AOT reference Wifies. thanks for making a great video!
I like how much effort he put in to this Wifies never fails to impress us!
I think you meant impress us
youre saying he dissapoints you
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@@AllenGuo-c9iOmg it's a person grateful for being corrected how wholesome
In Minecraft Dungeons, the high block castle and the obsidian pinnacle weren’t built by the arch illager, but repaired by the pillagers after the arch illager had found the orb of dominance.. in the ancient ocean temples are large statues of villagers, likely hinting that villagers were some kind of species of humans (players) the orb of dominance also was used by the piglins in Minecraft legends too, and the nameless one noted to Archie that the orb is like a twin to his staff. Since the villagers knew of the orb from legends, and the nameless one in dungeons (who is a skeleton, therefor likely a dead human) it’s extremely safe to say that villagers and humans were put into existence at near the exact same time.
(I wrote this after not sleeping for 16 hours so it’s probably super wacky)
New lore idea: when the ancient builders where makeing the wither they first made the breeze (there are many similarities such as when the wither first spawns in it has the same white rings as the breeze, the way they fly is also very similar and if you /summon a wither skull it looks very similar to a breezes head)
Wifies just becoming an anthropologist isn’t exactly what I expected to show up in my feed today, but I’ll take it. Very nice, I love the vid. Minecraft lore is really interesting. Keep it up, Wifies!
Old villages are my idea. As soon as you mentioned the structure that resembles a blacksmith, it clicked. Besides, the final structure looks like a really old village. This would also make sense as to why villagers existed back then too.
Nice to know music discs were invented 2000 years ago
4:20 that structure kind of looks like a pillager outpost
your version of the completed trail ruins look so cool, it would be awesome to see them in the game *hint hint, mojang*
😂 hint hint
I always think that the Trail Ruins were just ancient villages because of some buildings having specific jobs and it seeming similar. Villagers could just have evolved from builders because they had houses, jobs, and a currency, so they had no reason to build and villagers eventually just forgot to build.
The sea level doesn't consistently rise and can also drop so what i think happened is that a cataclysmic event happened flooding them mud brick ruins that were built at lower altitude (also mud bricks degrade underwater very fast compared to stone bricks)
The flood is hinted at by various elements :the moskstraumen achievement, the prismariene(which can be found as individual buried blocks in the sandstone ruins), and other things.
And after the flood the stone ruins were build underwater intentionally which is hinted at by the fact that the ruins have prismariene blocks and sea lanters which work better underwater also other thing that work better underwater
Also i think that prismariene is made out of enchanted quartzbecause the (green/turquoise color change)
and because chiseled quarts has an an eye carved into it and eyes kinda means guardians and guardians are obviously made out of prismariene (and copper (the spikes))
(guardians are obviously golems so if we find a way to enchant chiseled quartz we might be able to craft guardians)
Issues I have with this:
1. The sea level rises due to climate change. The ocean level didn't always rise 0.14 inches per year. Over the last century, the ocean level has risen by 7 inches. Therefore over the last decade, the ocean level has risen an average of 0.07 inches per year, and probably even less before that. 0.14 inches simply isn't a valid measurement.
2. How does the fact that there is the image of a fire on a pottery shard at all indicate that this civilization used the campfires as a means of communication, it simply means they were aware of its existence and that it was somewhat important to their culture.
3. HOW DOES THE FACT THEY HAVE AN IMAGE OF SOMETHING ON A POTTERY SHARD SIGNIFY THEY WERE THE FIRST TO DO SOMETHING. I think this was just a mistake because it's not central to any of your arguments but . . . why?
4. The face pottery shard could also signify that the trail ruin creators were villagers . . . I mean we know the villagers lore wise can place blocks because they can build villages.
5. You said it yourself "This is a perfect look into the types of civilizations in the Minecraft world. Forest-dwelling and beach-dwelling." The age of the underwater ruins does not correlate to the age of the trail ruins. It makes no sense to estimate the age of the trail ruins based on the age of the ocean ruins.
6. probably some other stuff I missed. If you have any additional corrections or corrections to my corrections feel free to reply to this comment.
I always thought the villagers shared a common ancestor with the builders, but are not the ancient builders. I think thats from the fact that the zombies and zombie villagers look different, but they look almost identical to steve if they weren't zombified.
just a game dude
@@lingardinhooo1746 yes, but If your going to make a lore video you might as well think about it
i remember someone talking about how the mojang developers are the “ancient builders”, and with each update they are just building extra stuff back in time so when the player spawned they would have more structures to explore
13:25 Attack on Titan fans have been summoned
Bro I was REWATCHING old Wifies videos yesterday and today I see this masterpeice. 🤩✨
Wifies is theorizing when MatPat doesn't anymore
this aged well
It all makes sense. Minecraft released a video about illagers, andhow when they went to war they somehow got sick. Many players on here say that these buildings either look like modern day villages or pillager outposts, and even those two combined. Another comment in here points out how the platforms look like altars, to worship and such. There re cat and chicken worshipping statues in spooky mansions, too! I think there was a big schism, half of the villagers wanted to fight and half of them didnt (based off what we now know from the new video minecraft just released) and maybe they had a schism, sort of like in a series of unfortunate events, half wanted to fight fires.. and half wanted to start them. But the war made the illagers sick, and therefore the old civilizations were left abandoned, maybe?
Wifies is the only guy that can make an entertaining video from a lump of clay and gravel
I made a new world yesterday and was oblivious to this update(( I’ve been playing on one world for a good year now)). I stumbled across terracotta in a birch forest and was perplexed to say the least. Your video added so much more excitement to uncovering the ruins!
One of the devs once said that the Minecraft games are all connected and take place in the same universe, and I'm sure you mentioned that in a video before.
I would love to see a video where you do a timeline of the Minecraft universe, taking information from all the games and highlighting major events that happened.
no they didn't.
The fact that people left stuff behind begs the question of why was this stuff left behind?
Crop Failure?
Catastrophic Natural Disaster?
War With Neighboring Cultures?
I’m Thankful that someone as smart and funny as Wifies is able to upload so much with high quality content as well! Happy Thanksgiving to those who celebrate it! 🦃
I love the attack on titan reference😂
Great video man always happy to see sth from you
Wifies, blink twice if you're being held at gunpoint by your world history professor
I once made a similar study to you and came to many similar conclusions. I’m adding some of my own observations:
- Just as you said, trail ruins and ocean ruins are likely related. I personally think there is a good chance the ocean ruins were built by ancestors of the ones who built trail ruins due to their less advanced nature but similar style.
- Considering the workplaces and the Friend shard, the civilization that built trail ruins might have not only known NPC villagers, but be them themselves.
- Their society probably considered mostly out of farmers, craftsmen, warriors and possibly merchants.
- Apart from wheat and dogs, they might have domesticated other organisms as well, they just didn’t bother to depict them on pots. Particularly worth mentioning are bees.
- The now ruined towns might have been much bigger, but parts of them didn’t get preserved, for example due to them being made out of wood.
- There might have been many more such towns, but most of them were disassembled for building materials by latter people or turned into NPC villages over time.
- The people who inhabited the towns likely didn’t have separate homes and workplaces yet and either slept on their workplaces or even not at all, similarly to early NPC villagers.
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this has got to be my favorite video on the trail ruins because ive been wondering since they came out which civilization they could be based on, and i think you hit the nail on the head! granted im not a historian or archeologist, but i definitely think its a good educated guess
Working on the hardest escape room in Minecraft… It’ll come out soon.
*nod of acknowledgement*
actual archaeologist here. both these and 'real' ruins are artifacts of human volition. valid. nice video.
13:25 snk/aot reference
This is a great video, and I can really tell that time and thought was put into it.
So, as we do with all things we enjoy, I'm going to gripe about the specifics:
7:15 It's a big leap to assume that:
a) the sea level rise in Minecraft is equal to that of Earth, especailly given how reliant that is on systems specific to Earth, e.g. techtonic activity (which is less on Mars) and climate change (as in the natural cycles-- humans are causing the change in climate to change, not the climate to begin changing: acceleration more so than velocity. That said, it's still a problem caused by humans that needs to be solved by humans).
b) the sea level rise is roughly constant over that timescale. Considering geological timescales, the sea level actually seems to have decreassed, since there was a time when Earth had exactly Zero continents, meaning no land at all.
9:26 I take up issue with the technological aspect as well, on two fronts:
a) same as the a from before: Minecraft is a fantasy game (e.g. totems of undying, soul sand), and knowing magic is sure to speed up any research that you would do into technology. It's safe to assume that a society with more ways to experiment into these complicated and nuanced topics as science would be better able to make discoveries about it. We don't even know for sure if the Blast Furnace in Minecraft is the same as those in real life, as it could be aided by magical systems. (I've allways loved imagining quantum effects on magic fields)
b) It assumes that the Minecraft world has a parallel timeline to Earth, ending in the modern day. I believe it's clear that it doesn't. There is no world in which Ancient Cities and Ocean Monuments could exist in the modern day, and you can't build a spaceship in Minecraft (insert joke about infinity snapshot). The technology isn't parallel, and I don't see why the time should be either, especially when it comes to scientific discoveries, which aren't parallel to begin with.
13:50 AOT reference???
Hey wifies. The host trim refers to the hosts, somewhat godlike entities that were from minecraft legends. While legends are only loosely considered cannon, the trims were made as a reference.
I think this is what happened.
There we're Three Cultures that arose from a new Era
The Mainlanders
The Greekish Roman Sea/River people
And the Gothic Sea/River people
The Mainlanders because they are far from the cost most likely didn't have transportation which means no boats and less advanced thats why they are living in this Primitive yet abtract houses
The Greekish Roman Sea/River peoples however had the ocean for travel ehich means influence and culture spread quick and mostly got influenced by the Villagers that are living on the coasts
The Gothic Sea/River peoples just like the Greekish Roman Sea peoples had the luxury of living near the coast but rather than villagers influecing them it was Illagers or some early for of pillagers which turned them most likely barbaric pirates
I think The reason why there are no other builder apart from the olayer is that the gothics wage a war against the other two cultures and completely ignoring the villagers
Wage a Generational war which led to the summoning of the wither and extinction of the three cultures
*Minecraft Bronze Age Collapse"
But I have a question? Why arent the other ruins as Ruined as The
Trail and Ocean Ruins?
The pyramids are Hardly ruined buried yet unruined uncrubled or the jungle temple mossy yet all of its redstone and the it looks like it hasn't even started crumbling still intact or the Ancient City yes the ancient cities have cracks but its ruins are still tamed unlike the Builder ruins,it hasn't been berried by deepslate and again its Restone is still intact.Which means all of these Ruins (except the theories Builder Ruins)were built recently
I think the other ruins were attacked while the temples were abandoned
Wifies makes the new updates taste good, and makes minecraft more interesting
No Timmy, you aren't first
I started a world recently just to excavate one of these and it has been very interesting, especially given the decisions as to what gravel and dirt to remove and what to not remove
Sorry Have a wonderful day ❤🎉😢
Towards the end of the video when Wifies mentions the message to us from 2000 years ago, I couldn't stop thinking about AOT. To you, 2000 years in the future. To you, 2000 years in the past.
I liked my own comment
no one asked bruh
No proof no balls
@@pepsycatYTstop being an ass
@@pepsycatYTimagine saying "no one asked"
This garbage wasn’t even funny when people were saying it a month ago 💀
Edit: I checked you’re channel and saw that you’re like 6 years old, sorry if I was too harsh 😥
Minecraft anthropologists: underrated yet very needed within the community
Last hehe
These remind me a lot, of End Citys in some way, big room with chests, towers which you had to climb, all of it does remind me of well, End citys.
These ruins were found in FORESTS and you didn't embellish with any wood??
First pls pin😢😢😢
Dad said it’s my turn to get pinned
Roses are red
Violets are blue
I liked my own comment
Cuz I wanted too
Wemmbu you and parrot are the best source of content nowadays
To us 2000 years ago.. Crazy AOT reference 🫡
I forgot these even existed 💀
This is so full of assumptions and misconceptions, but I like the effort!
There are plenty of intentional airpockets in hidden in the rubble. Likely left behind from rotten wood, which is generally overlooked by many who do these kinds of recreations
It may also be useful to consider the position of archeology loot
It’s a good day when wifies posts
I found trail ruins under a village. The pot shards i found went like this: wheat, heartbreak, fire. Nearby there is a pillager outpost. The story writes itself
*I think the host armor trim is based off of the host from Minecraft legends.* ** And you should do series on Minecraft, legends and dungeons.
Hella cool video. Me and my friend found one of these and had no idea what it was so we ended up digging everything up and we were still lost. Thanks.
oohh I thought this random terracotta inside a birch forest mountain was just a big 💀
I didn’t expected an anthropological analysis in this, nice
I’m ngl, I didn’t even know trail ruins were a thing..? Like are these actually just around the landscapes?