Being a law student myself, I truly despise these elements that affect how our jury system works! Praveen deserved the whole world, THE WORLD IN NO WAY DESERVED HIM!
@@athira2735basically means he did everything knowing the consequence of his physical contact which maybe could be questioned because he was drunk? Not sure entirely
I learned about Pravin's story back in 2020 through Stephanie Harlow's detailed 3 episode podcast and also watched a few of his mother's interviews. I've clicked on this video now in 2024, and before starting it, I have a pit in my stomach as even though its been over a decade, I remember the rage I have for the entirety of the judiciary system that caused injustice towards Pravin and his family and to humanity in general. This case presents the reality of the challenges that most of the people who come from minority face in the US.
Based on Anita s phone call from Praveen, its likely Gage tried to rob or bully Praveen. The police are totally useless with their investigations and responses and ought to be disciplined. Gage need to be thoroughly investigated.
So grateful to you guys for shedding light on this case. Such cases goes unknown and untold in history but we're glad we have you guys. Even though Pravin never got justice he deserved but atleast his story and life did. Atleast his parents struggle and fight to bring out his story out to the world did. This case touched me deep and i got so emotional with it. Thankyou guys for this case.❤
My god this episode was so frustratinggg. EVERYTHING ABOUT THE INVESTIGATION WAS SOOOO IRRITATING. And one can see that this one runs deep with Aishwarya and Aryaan because they genuinely get it. It wass soooo evident that they seemed genuinely frustrated because it hit so close to home.
Im a big fan of Aishwarya! The way she narrates the stories, the enunciations, the dramatic yet not so dramatic pauses and the kind of research and work you put into each cases👏 The fan in me wants you both to one day solve a murder mystery like spies in Hollywood movies 😅
When I stumbled upon your podcasts , I thought the channel is alredy pass a milion subs , its crazy how yall dont have it already because the production is very good . Love your content and the way yall present it .Hope yall achieve bigger milestones soon :)
This is the content we need on youtube…in an Era where people enjoy seeing tiktok u have brought a masterpiece channel thank u soo much for this guys keep up the work!!!!
I remember when this case happened. I remember reposting Parvin missing poster during the initial phase of the case. Such a disheartening case! RIP Parvin. I wish his family strength, peace, and ease. As an American, who’s not only lived here but also studied criminal justice system, sociological issues, and race relations, I can guarantee you that the element of race definitely plays a part in every aspect of American society. Whether it’s law enforcement, healthcare, educational institutions, workforce, etc.. Law enforcement tend to not put much effort or emphasis in cases involving People of Color. This topic is one of the concerns expressed in the Black Lives Matter movement and White Woman Syndrome theory.
Non sense..you studied criminal justice system and talking non sense..u mean criminals are getting respite and slack bcz of their races?? This was a case where they worked enough to get the clue and due to lack of substantial evidence they could not held the suspect. The first suspect who gave him lift...nobody could establish that the guy was actually k**lled in the woods ..he didn't die out of starvation and cold but he was murdered... irrespective of class race many loose lives..many gets k*lled but lack of evidence spoils everything..
Came across on your channel today and already consumed 2 podcasts and all i can say is you guys are amazing at what you do. Keep it up. This will grow for sure. :)
How did Robinson not try to piece Anita's phone call with his theory? Like it makes sense somehow. Cuz she said that there were noises of brisk walking and dialogues like "give me that back", "I'm just trying to help you" and stuff and then a car door being closed AND He talked abt them dealing drugs and getting into an altercation.
I know life is all about freedom to do anything you want but as an audience, I want you guys(my frens) to stick to crimes and not unscientific mumbo jumbo bhootbusters and shit. This is your USP
Why did Pravin ask for a ride from Gaege whom he didn’t know from before? I wish he had made a different choice that day. My heart goes out to the family and Pravin- I have a teen ready to go to college and these stories are scary and the denial of justice is heartbreaking.
Then be aware that America is a safe place until it’s not. Why he took a rise from Gage? Why is the snow white or the sky blue? Thats what young, naive teenagers do.
“Knowingly” means his thoughts, proving mens rea. Which is the mental aspect of murder. If that word wasn’t there, they wouldn’t need to prove mens rea, it was just be manslaughter, or grievous bodily harm. The intention to harm is hard to prove. I think the prosecution was trying to determine the worst sentencing possible and completely forgot how vital wordings in these situations can be. They had chosen the wrong provisions to charge him for. The actus rea (actions) were proved, but mens rea (mental) was not proven. There needs to be concrete proof that he committed those acts “knowingly”. Laws are very intricately worded, coz in their eyes it’s better for 100 criminals to be set free than for 1 innocent person to be wrongfully imprisoned.
I had heard a theory about his case a while ago... I think it had come to light sometime around the trial, I'm guessing, but there is a version wherein Pravin (being the helpful, "good-natured" person he is, actually did take the money from this dude to try and prevent him from getting more drugs. And the whole scuffle began because he wanted to get his money back to, indeed, go get more high. Hence the call where Pravin was heard saying that he was trying to help him. It also explains the overturning of the case because, as far as I know, one can't be convicted of first-degree assaults leading to fatality if it's not premeditated and/or they're mentally unaware - i.e. if he was at all intoxicated to that degree at the time of the fight. Claiming mental defect of some kind, at the time of the crime, essentially. Though, that makes the whole thing somewhat sadder because you have a young, good human being have to lie freezing, in pain, for those last moments of his life, just because he truly wanted to help someone not give in to their addictions. Just makes sense in my head I guess, that it may have played out that way. But great coverage, as always. As a true crime junkie, I love what you guys do, and am totally here for it!
You guys do a phenomenal job! One of the best podcasts. Your hard work is palpable. This story brought tears to my eyes and anger!! Being a mum of 2 boys, I cant imagine what Lovely went through. Subscribed! ❤
My heartfelt thanks to the 5year old editor. Can sense your skills shining through with “thuds” and “black whole whooshes”. Looks like the football edits on your portfolio got you this amazing job. 😁😁😁
Watching this podcast has become a Saturday ritual . You guys are so good !! Sometimes I judge myself , coz I’m a paediatrician , and after my ward rounds with adorable babies , I come home to watch this😂
Aishwarya giving little laughs inbetween a serious conversation is a little off putting.... Am I the only one noticing this? Otherwise great going, guys! 🎉
With so much advanced technology at that time still a big country like USA couldn’t figure out this simple case. Firstly, the police didn’t bother to track his last phone location. When they found the suspect they didn’t bother to track his last phone location or the no of cell phones detected at that murder location on that night at that time frame. They didn’t arrest the suspect considering he was the last person the victim was with. They didn’t consider his female friend’s testimony which matched with the suspect story.
This case was showcased in one of Investigation Discovery channels show called still a mystery. I remember watching about this case and also hearing about it on an American podcast show called Crime Junkies.
Just a small suggestion, Can u keep the original outro in the podcast version. Something about it just fits right and without it the episode seems incomplete. I understand you also have to promote your merch and you can continue to on TH-cam. Just a random suggestion. Love you guys, This episode was amazing.
Hello, I would like to inquire about the accessibility of the images you mentioned. Could you please provide me with the necessary information to access them? I tried the instagram links. It's taking me back to TH-cam only. Kindly help! Thank you for your assistance.
Today i saw your three videos probably but this one gave me chills fr. I genuinely feel bad for praveen that despite being a kind helpful guy he ended up being helpless. The praveen's story makes me worry for my friends and it made me emotional that it has been a decade that he is no more and he would have lived wid his family happily.
As a black/Indian woman in America, this does not surprise me. Sad, depressing, but not surprising. When people say there is systemic racism in America, people should not be so quick to say it's not true. My heart felt sympathy, and prayers goes out to his parents and other parents who have suffered at the hands racist and incompetent police.
When you call Chicago cold in February, then wait till you a make a trip to the North of the border. Then indeed Chicago can be cold but we still hold our place in the world to be called as the great white of the North. I am referring to Canada.
I guess we can all learn one valuable lesson from Anita here. When your friend asks you not to hang up the phone, please don't hang up the goddamn phone. 😞
@@LakshmiLakshmi-ru2gk Idk about being indifferent but here for sure they were inefficient... and its a shame that they got away with it where they hid so many evidences.
Imma huge fan will u do an episode of the haunting tale of friedmans father son duo who used to conduct computer classes for kids and sexually harass them in the 80s please
I cannot explain why this case had a potential to make me cry! Is it the frustration? Maybe yes. Is it the sheer mistreatment and misportrayal of the DECEASED poor kid? Definitely yes. Why? I have no clue. This here, is just an epitome of intentional denial of justice at it's best!
In law, when the word "knowingly" is used, it means that the defendant realized what he was doing and was aware of the nature of his conduct and did not act through ignorance, mistake, or accident. Knowledge may be proved by the defendant's conduct and by all the facts and circumstances surrounding the case. Why would anyone be confused by the word "knowingly." Especially a college guy should have know waht it meant but I feel in my heart that this was what the judge used to justify getting Gage off. I think Gage in some way was connected to someone in the court system or police department.
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Being a law student myself, I truly despise these elements that affect how our jury system works! Praveen deserved the whole world, THE WORLD IN NO WAY DESERVED HIM!
Hi, could you please explain to me the meaning of “knowingly”. I don’t get it
@@athira2735basically means he did everything knowing the consequence of his physical contact which maybe could be questioned because he was drunk? Not sure entirely
I learned about Pravin's story back in 2020 through Stephanie Harlow's detailed 3 episode podcast and also watched a few of his mother's interviews. I've clicked on this video now in 2024, and before starting it, I have a pit in my stomach as even though its been over a decade, I remember the rage I have for the entirety of the judiciary system that caused injustice towards Pravin and his family and to humanity in general. This case presents the reality of the challenges that most of the people who come from minority face in the US.
Pravin's mother has shared your video podcast in her Facebook Profile.
Based on Anita s phone call from Praveen, its likely Gage tried to rob or bully Praveen. The police are totally useless with their investigations and responses and ought to be disciplined. Gage need to be thoroughly investigated.
So grateful to you guys for shedding light on this case. Such cases goes unknown and untold in history but we're glad we have you guys. Even though Pravin never got justice he deserved but atleast his story and life did. Atleast his parents struggle and fight to bring out his story out to the world did. This case touched me deep and i got so emotional with it. Thankyou guys for this case.❤
Thank you for listening
My god this episode was so frustratinggg. EVERYTHING ABOUT THE INVESTIGATION WAS SOOOO IRRITATING. And one can see that this one runs deep with Aishwarya and Aryaan because they genuinely get it. It wass soooo evident that they seemed genuinely frustrated because it hit so close to home.
very very frustated!
Guys your verbal communication is top notch. Love listening to you. Love from Australia
Im a big fan of Aishwarya! The way she narrates the stories, the enunciations, the dramatic yet not so dramatic pauses and the kind of research and work you put into each cases👏 The fan in me wants you both to one day solve a murder mystery like spies in Hollywood movies 😅
When I stumbled upon your podcasts , I thought the channel is alredy pass a milion subs , its crazy how yall dont have it already because the production is very good . Love your content and the way yall present it .Hope yall achieve bigger milestones soon :)
Best quote: "Oh my God, Aiswara - what the fuck, man".
No next is! " Oh may gawd. Jesus !!" They are literally influenced by Western culture too much
I've been listening to you guys' podcasts for so long now and I absolutely love them. Please continue posting
Thank you! Will do!
Same listened for the first time 1.5 years ago on Spotify
You guys are truly exceptional storytellers, consistently providing a soothing experience for our ears. Outstanding work!
Wow, thank you!
This is the content we need on youtube…in an Era where people enjoy seeing tiktok u have brought a masterpiece channel thank u soo much for this guys keep up the work!!!!
Right
I remember when this case happened. I remember reposting Parvin missing poster during the initial phase of the case. Such a disheartening case! RIP Parvin. I wish his family strength, peace, and ease.
As an American, who’s not only lived here but also studied criminal justice system, sociological issues, and race relations, I can guarantee you that the element of race definitely plays a part in every aspect of American society. Whether it’s law enforcement, healthcare, educational institutions, workforce, etc.. Law enforcement tend to not put much effort or emphasis in cases involving People of Color. This topic is one of the concerns expressed in the Black Lives Matter movement and White Woman Syndrome theory.
Non sense..you studied criminal justice system and talking non sense..u mean criminals are getting respite and slack bcz of their races?? This was a case where they worked enough to get the clue and due to lack of substantial evidence they could not held the suspect. The first suspect who gave him lift...nobody could establish that the guy was actually k**lled in the woods ..he didn't die out of starvation and cold but he was murdered... irrespective of class race many loose lives..many gets k*lled but lack of evidence spoils everything..
@@nagratna793you seems to be sick , take some rest !
@@swatisingh7711 no u
Great story bring on more like this to show why injustice and racism needs to be abolished
This is so heartbreaking. It boils my blood to see the apathy with which people of colour are treated.
Yes racial feeling soo much
Came across on your channel today and already consumed 2 podcasts and all i can say is you guys are amazing at what you do.
Keep it up.
This will grow for sure. :)
Welcome aboard!
Binge watching all your episodes. Seriously your work is so good. Keep doing more. 😊
It might not be racism, but when Gabby Patito died , police response was different.
It's a 100%, racism. Both on the polices side and Gaege
This page deserves a million followers, many many more !
How did Robinson not try to piece Anita's phone call with his theory? Like it makes sense somehow. Cuz she said that there were noises of brisk walking and dialogues like "give me that back", "I'm just trying to help you" and stuff and then a car door being closed AND He talked abt them dealing drugs and getting into an altercation.
I know life is all about freedom to do anything you want but as an audience, I want you guys(my frens) to stick to crimes and not unscientific mumbo jumbo bhootbusters and shit. This is your USP
agreed 💯💯💯
That's how I think too .. There is so much to learn in terms of human psychology through crime documentaries
I agree too... Big fan of their crime coverage ... I look forward to every Saturday for a new release... 😊
Why did Pravin ask for a ride from Gaege whom he didn’t know from before? I wish he had made a different choice that day. My heart goes out to the family and Pravin- I have a teen ready to go to college and these stories are scary and the denial of justice is heartbreaking.
Then be aware that America is a safe place until it’s not. Why he took a rise from Gage? Why is the snow white or the sky blue? Thats what young, naive teenagers do.
It's very common in such school towns to ask for rides from students.
Thanks for sharing this story....❤ the two of you..
Thanks for listening!
this saddens me so much. this case is so intense. its scary ah
pretty terrifying
YOOO BEEN WAITING FOR THIS ONEEEE
“Knowingly” means his thoughts, proving mens rea. Which is the mental aspect of murder. If that word wasn’t there, they wouldn’t need to prove mens rea, it was just be manslaughter, or grievous bodily harm. The intention to harm is hard to prove. I think the prosecution was trying to determine the worst sentencing possible and completely forgot how vital wordings in these situations can be. They had chosen the wrong provisions to charge him for. The actus rea (actions) were proved, but mens rea (mental) was not proven. There needs to be concrete proof that he committed those acts “knowingly”. Laws are very intricately worded, coz in their eyes it’s better for 100 criminals to be set free than for 1 innocent person to be wrongfully imprisoned.
I think it's impossible to smash a person that bad "unknowingly" right? This verdict is fishy and biased.
i love this pod so much!! easily my favourite desi based true crime show, love from Hyderabad
Love from Desi Studios❤️
I had heard a theory about his case a while ago... I think it had come to light sometime around the trial, I'm guessing, but there is a version wherein Pravin (being the helpful, "good-natured" person he is, actually did take the money from this dude to try and prevent him from getting more drugs. And the whole scuffle began because he wanted to get his money back to, indeed, go get more high. Hence the call where Pravin was heard saying that he was trying to help him. It also explains the overturning of the case because, as far as I know, one can't be convicted of first-degree assaults leading to fatality if it's not premeditated and/or they're mentally unaware - i.e. if he was at all intoxicated to that degree at the time of the fight. Claiming mental defect of some kind, at the time of the crime, essentially.
Though, that makes the whole thing somewhat sadder because you have a young, good human being have to lie freezing, in pain, for those last moments of his life, just because he truly wanted to help someone not give in to their addictions.
Just makes sense in my head I guess, that it may have played out that way. But great coverage, as always. As a true crime junkie, I love what you guys do, and am totally here for it!
Why cant these people check the conversation they had from taking the 30 mins of Anita's phone call?
I have never been so angry... this case makes me sick. How can someone do that. And i feel bad for Lovely aunty and family. RIP praveen. ❤️
The judiciary failed Pravin there is passive racism in the USA especially against us Indians
I'm a new listener and have been intrigued with all the cases you have published. Keep up the good work. FYI, I've subscribed.
Welcome aboard!
You guys do a phenomenal job! One of the best podcasts. Your hard work is palpable. This story brought tears to my eyes and anger!! Being a mum of 2 boys, I cant imagine what Lovely went through. Subscribed! ❤
My heartfelt thanks to the 5year old editor. Can sense your skills shining through with “thuds” and “black whole whooshes”. Looks like the football edits on your portfolio got you this amazing job. 😁😁😁
Watching this podcast has become a Saturday ritual . You guys are so good !!
Sometimes I judge myself , coz I’m a paediatrician , and after my ward rounds with adorable babies , I come home to watch this😂
Thats too cute😂 thanks for listening tho❤️
love you guys! been listening since this time last yr, my fav true crime podcast. lotta love from mumbai ❤
Thank you for listening ❤️
Aishwarya giving little laughs inbetween a serious conversation is a little off putting....
Am I the only one noticing this?
Otherwise great going, guys! 🎉
And when she constantly said "i know i know i know i know, when the other guy was expressing his anger on why did anita hung up the call"
I found it odd & unsettling too. We are talking about someone dead.
Yes, weird It is
Careless police?
Aiswarya better to speak with little emotion and natural instead of smiling in between
With so much advanced technology at that time still a big country like USA couldn’t figure out this simple case. Firstly, the police didn’t bother to track his last phone location. When they found the suspect they didn’t bother to track his last phone location or the no of cell phones detected at that murder location on that night at that time frame. They didn’t arrest the suspect considering he was the last person the victim was with. They didn’t consider his female friend’s testimony which matched with the suspect story.
This case was showcased in one of Investigation Discovery channels show called still a mystery. I remember watching about this case and also hearing about it on an American podcast show called Crime Junkies.
Just a small suggestion, Can u keep the original outro in the podcast version. Something about it just fits right and without it the episode seems incomplete. I understand you also have to promote your merch and you can continue to on TH-cam. Just a random suggestion. Love you guys, This episode was amazing.
You guys are setting up an example of how podcasts should be, too good ❤
Aishwarya has a great voice. Aryan is doing great as well
this video is so pleasing yet scary to watch! love ya'll sm
ikrr?
U dont wanna smile when u narrating a tragic story.. these aren't any freaking entertainment and a key to your fantasies
Hello,
I would like to inquire about the accessibility of the images you mentioned. Could you please provide me with the necessary information to access them?
I tried the instagram links. It's taking me back to TH-cam only. Kindly help!
Thank you for your assistance.
Today i saw your three videos probably but this one gave me chills fr. I genuinely feel bad for praveen that despite being a kind helpful guy he ended up being helpless. The praveen's story makes me worry for my friends and it made me emotional that it has been a decade that he is no more and he would have lived wid his family happily.
Racial discrimination and injustice done to a young Indian boy
Loving your channel❤❤❤❤
A sad ending. May his soul rest in peace and deepest condolences to the family. God will bring justice in His own way, be assured.
Awesome work guys keep posting more n more such stories❤
Remember this case , we stay an hour from Carbondale . Infact I used to play cricket with a lot of folks from Carbondale , very unfortunate .
Best podcasts to Ever exist ❤
Shame on USA, so called protector and lecturers of human rights.
Yes .they know how to poke their nose in others affairs!
Please show more shots of that concerned place or family in sll your videos
You guys is awesome!
So glad am not in USA or chose to settle there, what kind of ppl r rhey ! RIP Pravin😢
USA has passive racism especially against us Indians
This happens all over the world, not just in the USA. You think Indian police are any better than these guys?
This is crazy imo
What is the significance of “knowingly “ had I didn’t get.
you guys are the only podcasters i listen to religiously!!💕💕🤞🤞
always dropping bangers!
Religiously?
@@lacksonsajan1375 yeh like all the time...consistently..bro
Lots o love, hugs, prayers, strength to Pravin's parents. This is so so so bad.
Finally !!!!
As a black/Indian woman in America, this does not surprise me. Sad, depressing, but not surprising. When people say there is systemic racism in America, people should not be so quick to say it's not true. My heart felt sympathy, and prayers goes out to his parents and other parents who have suffered at the hands racist and incompetent police.
When you call Chicago cold in February, then wait till you a make a trip to the North of the border. Then indeed Chicago can be cold but we still hold our place in the world to be called as the great white of the North. I am referring to Canada.
The police were definitely involved in this
they sounded too sus
I guess we can all learn one valuable lesson from Anita here.
When your friend asks you not to hang up the phone, please don't hang up the goddamn phone. 😞
I Guess this is the underrated channel
i didn't completely understand what knowingly means there. Anyone?
I searched Pravin's name on twitter and you can see people tweeting about him in 2014. So damn tragic
Its just sad how so many such families go out of country in search of “better” standard of living and meet with us faith!
You are a friend everyone needs Arhaan 19:46
I had to stop the video half way througg and watch a video of cute puppies so that i wouldnt thhrow up. This case is so infuriating and scary.
Oh gosh it was horrible for the family. My heart goes out to the Varguese family.
An easy tell-tale sign is when someone verbally claims themselves as a nice guy unless asked for, are most probably the opposite
Veey underrated channel.
Its creepy how killers that gets proven not guilty, gets to live their normal life, among common people...
Yes why America police indifferent to other countrys people or inefficient?
@@LakshmiLakshmi-ru2gk Idk about being indifferent but here for sure they were inefficient... and its a shame that they got away with it where they hid so many evidences.
@@preranamandi5407well said
Absolutely loving your videos, but it would be more better if you post frequently, but still amazing
Please make a video on burari deaths case. That case haunted me for days.😢
Imma huge fan will u do an episode of the haunting tale of friedmans father son duo who used to conduct computer classes for kids and sexually harass them in the 80s please
U guys are amazing
Why did he call Anita and not Ashley or Kyle?
I don’t understand why the prosecutor did not appeal from the sentence. It’s absurd that justiça was not done .
this made me cry god i feel so sad
forever gonna flex I guessed this
What pile of crap police came up with . Its insulting😮😢
It is more than scary.
I cannot explain why this case had a potential to make me cry! Is it the frustration? Maybe yes. Is it the sheer mistreatment and misportrayal of the DECEASED poor kid? Definitely yes. Why? I have no clue.
This here, is just an epitome of intentional denial of justice at it's best!
U guys should also cover some of the reddit creepy stories btw love your videos❤️
29:42 i did go to their Instagram page and didn't find the images 😞
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+1
I couldn’t find the images
Do one on Amar Singh Chamkila and Qandeel Baloch!
They have a podcast episode on qandeel baloch
❤ for the fam ..
Rest in peace justice will be served by God trust in him he will avenge his death .
Yaar aaryan let Aishwarya talk..stop interrupting her..
In law, when the word "knowingly" is used, it means that the defendant realized what he was doing and was aware of the nature of his conduct and did not act through ignorance, mistake, or accident. Knowledge may be proved by the defendant's conduct and by all the facts and circumstances surrounding the case. Why would anyone be confused by the word "knowingly." Especially a college guy should have know waht it meant but I feel in my heart that this was what the judge used to justify getting Gage off. I think Gage in some way was connected to someone in the court system or police department.
Brooo I’m obsessed with watching their episodes they are just so well made just amazing great job guys 🫶🫶🫶🫶
Aww, thank you for listening
There are no pictures on your insta profile
I love Navy Pier on Newyears eve! The cold wind blows through you!
Still don't get it, what difference does that word made?
Sorted for lunch 🤪🤪🤪
Sooo sick 😢