Watching from the UK mate. Nice to see an honest video with mistakes and failures you learn more as a viewer that way. Looking forward to the next episode.
FYI, it's a generator, not an alternator. It works almost the same, but you need a working battery for a generator to run the engine. With an alternator you can run the engine without a battery. It's because a generator needs a polarizing power source to set the magnetic field so it knows which terminal is positive. I'm really enjoying following along with your process. Glad you pulled the engine rather than trying more to force it to turn.
Nice to see somebody working on something different! It gets old seeing another Mustang, another Chevelle, another *insert token ubiquitous automobile here*.
I've seen folks prying on the flywheel to break a stuck engine loose. It seems to work...Sometimes! I'm looking forward to watching the engine teardown episode. It'll be interesting to see the condition of the cylinders...
Should be. Sadly, rarity does not equate to value. Compare vintage Mustang prices to a same year Cougar. Even though the Cougar is in every way a better car.... 50% discount on the Cougar versus a Mustang.
This video showed showed up in my feed, went back and watched the first one and gave you a sub and a like. FYI the 475 on the rocker cover represents the torque of the engine.
Yes personally on an old car like that I would spray some marvel mystery oil and all the cylinders or knock or loose. To let it sit for a day never put anything like 90 weight or actual grease into an engine and worst thing you can do then you use a breaker bar on the front just to crank it over move it back and forth take your time may have to spend a week or two trying to free up the motor if not you just take the damn thing apart. Next thing I always do is check the points and if you have an old oil bath system use dexron transmission fluid it filters 3 times better than the oil they recommend and you can overfill the air cleaner a little bit and help lure catch the valves. I love working on these old cars only a few people know how to work on them.
Real fun to see the "youngster" referring to the Generator as an Alternator! That car looks to be pretty complete. Its going to be a worth while restoration!
Generator is a very broad , general name for lots of different things. On a car, there will be either an alternator, or a dynamo, depending on which technology is used. Given the age of this one, I think it’s unlikely to be an alternator, though. When I get that far in the video, I might be able to recognise it, if he gets a good shot of it
I have been looking for years to see someone even tackle a Edsel. I appreciate your candor and tenacity in getting that engine out. Since it was being taken out, I (myself) would have perhaps removed the heads while it was still on the car, but all in all, you did the right thing and it good you had your mate their to help wrangle the beast out of it's hold. Great job thus far mate ! Can't wait to see some more on this relic.
There are a few channels that have Edsels at the moment. ITGarage is front of mind, one of the guys (Dean) on the ColdWarMotors channel has one but it is a driver and it occasionally makes an appearance. Two guys just pulled one from a field and when I remember their channel name, I'll edit this. And at least one other channel has an Edsel project but I can't recall that channel either.
Atta Boy, that golden girl enjoys you playing with her parts and pieces. She’s not a cheap and easy date to impress. I’m as old as she is, they need lots of nut and bolt deep creeping penetrant to loosen her up. Edsel’s were plagued with many mechanical nightmares but offered many great automotive features. Persistence will pay off. Great story line and content. Rosie🌹
It's quite refreshing to see an honest video on a barn find restoration. I'm glad you left the learning experiences in there as well. While there were a few things I saw and thought that won't work; it's so nice to see someone working through it on their own. Honestly, I broke so much on my first few cars, but those experiences were priceless. Keep going and keep breaking stuff! That's how we learn when there isn't a mentor standing next to you. It's an old car that would be junk if you hadn't stepped in. You can't hurt it! I can't wait to see your next video. Best of luck with this one! It will be a fun driver.
Cool video. You need to think old school. They dif have sppeed sencers back in the day. There is a generator amd not an alternator. I love it when you young guys tackel these old cars. You learn as you go. The Edsel was a car before its time. Im going to enjoy this rebuild. New subscriber wish i could be there to help you.
hi sir i only watched 5 mins and decided to subscribe. You had a game plan and new how to go about what you need to do. Having paitence is a big part of having success. Also love seeing the younger generation enjoy and love getting these old classics run again. I am 66 and my parents owned a Edsel. Please keep doing the vedios and doing what you love doing. You have a great future in doing this if you dont give up. Also a great way to make money. Keep up the great work.
You need a Flywheel turner tool. Mortske repair uses one. I think his is a SnapOn tool? it gives you a much greater lever arm to get it turning. Get some kroil Oil, it is expensive but it is amazing! PB Blaster too.
As an Edsel owner I understand the complexity of your choice of cars to restore. The "big" Edsel engine is almost Identical to the Lincoln 430 which was used up until 1967.I'm betting this is a case of a rotted aluminum piston.
Reminds me of when I started wrenching, nothing seemed easy. Only thing you might of tried early on would be a camera into the cylinders, probably would have found a really badly rusted cylinder and realized trying to get it to turn was out of the question. Saved all the other work and went straight to pulling it. Looking forward to seeing what held it up.
You’re definitely right. I was going to try and get a camera in there but I could see inside the spark plug holes with a mirror pretty well and didn’t see anything alarming. I have also never tried to free up a seized motor before so I wanted to mess around with it and try different methods.
On old motorcycles I will back the valves off (closed) and use an adapter I made ( grease zerk welded on a hollowed out spark plug) and pump the cylinder full of grease with a grease gun. Do this on a cylinder that the piston is close to the top. A good grease gun makes a lot of pressure. If that doesn’t do it, nothing short of a tear down will get them loose.
Now add this one one time I had an old mg no oil pressure set for 2 years I had a brilliant idea I'll just overfill the crankcase spin it over the connecting rods to be splashing in the oil also alone oil pump to permit shelf. Yep got some oil pressure up then drain out the oil and put fresh oil in and run the engine for a while very carefully.
Another great video. I really admire your patience and persistence - very impressive - keep it up! This old girl is well worth it. Looking forward to the next video.
I rode to little league baseball games in a 58 Edsel station-wagon. I distinctly remember the push-button in the center of the steering wheel. That yaught was traded for a 63 Volkswagen bus, probably beacause of it's thirst for fuel.
I have a completely stalled project out in my garage. Even with this experience I still imagine myself trying another, but differently. So this would be what I imagine you are doing: getting her running and driving first, then fixing things while driving it, then gradually refinishing things. Then if I grow tired of it along the way I could sell it with my head up having successfully made good forward progress. I see some guys making good use of automotive endoscopes in the spark plug holes to immediately see the degree of rust in the cylinders.
Hello there, I just started to watch your video's about the Edsel and noticed your t-shirt. Are you in Michigan? And I've scuba dove in Zukey lake a few times. and the chain of lakes. Good luck one the Edsel, I hope you enjoy it. I found a 1939 Cadillac in a small town up north, south of Traverse City (Manton) 25 years ago and restored it frame off. It took about 10 years to do and has been done about 15 years now. It's sometimes a long journey and expensive now compared to when I did mine. Enjoy Myren
Hey, thanks for the comment! Yes I am local to the chain and Whitmore lake! That is cool that you’ve scuba dove in them and your Cadillac sounds like a fun restoration. Congrats!
When I have a stuck engine after looking inside with a borescope, I go directly to what I know will work. I will pour vinegar in the cylinders and let it sit overnight and the next day it is able to be broken free. After it's freed up, drain the oil and spray the cylinders with an oil to prevent it from flash rusting. Never leave vinegar in an engine more than 24 hours or it can eat the pistons.
Trust me I wanted to start with that but I have never tried to free a seized motor before so I kind of wanted to try and mess around with it for my own future knowledge before I just jumped to pulling it out.
I'm having fun watching you...using terms relating to modern cars: "speed sensor". Back in the day it was a "speedometer cable", as you soon discovered. 😁 Stay the course. You're doing fine.
As bad as it's stuck, it probably needs rebuild anyway, but if you had a cheap Harbor Freight fiber optic camera, you could see just how bad the rust is in the cylinders. Also, Evapo-rust works really well, removing rust from the cylinders.
The Corsair and Citation had the 410 MEL engine with the power steering pump at the front of the crankshaft. Can be challenging to turn the engine by hand.
Speed sensor!!! Dude it’s a 58. Ain’t no kind of sensor on that car. And no metric fasteners either. But it’s great to see a young man figuring it all out. I had to subscribe as a retired truck mechanic. I wish you were next door, boy could we have fun.
Just a hint, if you had water in the motor, it would be at the bottom of the oil pan and come out first. You are good to go here. Well, you do still have a big job ahead of you.
Good luck with the project. I'm going to keep watching. I went through all the same stuff when I started, so I'm not ripping on you, just trying to help. First next time you have a trans cooler line that won't come loose and you can't get a torch in there, use a tubing cutter to cut it somewhere close to the radiator so you can pull the radiator. Now you can heat it on the bench, or just leave it on and reinstall the radiator later, then use a compression fitting to reconnect it. Also your approach with turning the motor was close but not right. When it's that stuck, unbolt the pulley and make a bracket to attach your bar to the balancer then you'll get alot more torque without breaking the pulley.
I'm flabbergasted you didn't snap the front of the crankshaft off prying on it like that. Pull the starter next time and pry at the ring gear.... A ring gear is cheaper than a crank. Neat old Edsel, I hope to see it running in the future. What part of Michigan are you in? Im in the Detroit area.
@@OldCarAlley thanks for watching and for the suggestion. I will definitely go for the ring gear next time, thats smart! I’m in Dexter, only about 45 minutes from you.
@@TemperMetalFabrication oldcaralley is right, all the motors I have broken loose was by prying the flex plate by the ring gear.works 90% of the time 👍🏻
I’ve always wanted a 58 Edsel, I’ll be following this series to see if I really do want one…😜 The tele-couch transmission was definitely a weak point, and I’m interested to see how you deal with it.
You should have put a bore scope in before anything else that would have show you if the bore was full of crude .Keep going your learning and also you should have tried a crow bar on the flywheel ring gear that helps to loosen stuck pistons if the crank nut won't move it not preaching just I spent 60 years doing the game.👍
Just rebuilt a Perkins 6.354.4 that was stuck fast, turned out it was only 1 cylinder rusted but we tried like you to get it to turn with no joy, so in the end pulled the head, released the big end cap on number 3 (engine could be turned by hand then) turned crank to bdc on 3, lump of wood in the bore, knocked piston down, clean rust off the bore then pushed piston up & out, hone bore with news rings on piston and gaskets, reassemble, don't know what yours will be like but why not just pull the heads so you can get the measure of how bad things are, you might be lucky and just need to "shock" 1 or 2 pistons free rather than a total rebuild.
Dude! You are totally hacking away at it and struggling… Just like I would 😂 However, I would be dropping way more F bombs! I am soooooo jealous. Keep it going, you’re doing great!!!
@@jeremybrown6894 this time of year gets crazy for my so unfortunately I’m working slower than I planned. I just got the trans pulled off and motor on the stand tonight so hopefully the teardown will be completed this week and that will be the next video.
People have had very good results freeing up stuck engines using vinegar instead of any concoctions. The vinegar dissolves any rust and will not harm the pistons. If the cylinders are badly corroded some pitting may be evident. See freeing a locked up engine for $5 on youtube.
@@randalbloomquist7812 I did a lot of research on the vinegar method and almost used it but there’s a lot of proof that since it is acidic it will also dissolve metal and start pitting the cylinder walls.
@@TemperMetalFabrication The pitting of the cylinder walls will only occur where there is rust already penetrating into the cylinder. Any way you look at it, the block will need to be bored and honed. If it was me, I would also pull the rockers and ensure that valves aren't stuck to prevent further damage.
Couldn't help noticing your Zukey Lake Tavern shirt. Do you live near there? I'm in Howell. I subscribed after the first video, so came here soon as the notification came up.
Just a suggestion there's a TH-cam channel called What The Rust Richard and his girlfriend have done plenty of Will It Run Videos if you are interested.
Repairs like you are trying to do never lead to good and stable operation of the engine. The engine should be completely disassembled and overhauled with replacement of many parts. Perhaps in this excellent engine in all respects it will be necessary to grind or bore the cylinders, change the pistons with rings to another repair size, replace the valves and valve seats, inspect the connecting rod and main bearings, inspect the camshaft and replace all the seals to avoid leakage of lubricating oil. Without a doubt, replace the bearings and seals of the water pump. Then such an engine will serve longer and better than after the manufacturer. This is shown by the practice of many engine mechanics from many countries of the world. And these motors are so great at work that it would be a shame to throw away such an engine. Sorry for the hint, because we have practical experience in such repairs.
@@TemperMetalFabrication It's a nasty job, but someone has to do it! Some people really like them, others have no interest in them. Lincolns appeal to me-don't ask me why because I can't tell you why. The 1958-59 Lincoln Continental Mk 3 draws me in like a moth to a spotlight. I don't own one, but I would like to have one. I drive a 2028 Lincoln MKX AWD.
Looks an engine rebuild is your future, it probably was parked for a reason; DEAD engine! It will a Ford Y block, ( they were not classified as a V8 as such ) they came in 272, 292, & 352 ci.
Carnt believe you haven’t taken air intake off more room to work more access use gloves one slip knuckles take a hammering especially buy a radiator. Learn from experience my friend.
Glad to see a young guy saving the old Edsel. Good for you.
Thank you!
What fun to watch your skill and tenacity. Can't wait for the next video.
Ahhh, brings back memories! I’ve owned 5 Edsels, 4 ‘58 wagons and 1 ‘59 wagon. Have fun!
Wow that's awesome. Thanks for watching!
Watching from the UK mate. Nice to see an honest video with mistakes and failures you learn more as a viewer that way. Looking forward to the next episode.
@@excaliber32 thank you!
And me too from NZ.Totally agree.Great to watch you.
@@jaymartna nice! I visited Wellington last year!
FYI, it's a generator, not an alternator. It works almost the same, but you need a working battery for a generator to run the engine. With an alternator you can run the engine without a battery. It's because a generator needs a polarizing power source to set the magnetic field so it knows which terminal is positive. I'm really enjoying following along with your process. Glad you pulled the engine rather than trying more to force it to turn.
Thanks for the info! That makes a lot of sense.
Had an old girlfriend who drove a 58 Edsel, back in 68. Loved them ever since. Great video, can't wait until the next one.
Thanks for the support!!
Nice to see somebody working on something different! It gets old seeing another Mustang, another Chevelle, another *insert token ubiquitous automobile here*.
@@That_AMC_Guy thanks! I totally agree
It's amazing how many Lamborghinis are being rebuilt on this platform lol.
Like seeing young people getting into the hobby 😊😊 your the future of the hobby 😊
I'm also from the UK. Great to see a youngster working on this old girl. Keep up the good work 👍
First time I've seen this channel. You figured out some how to do thing smart in this engine removeal. Hats off to you dude.
Thank you!
@@TemperMetalFabricationneeds a 302.... Swap from a GRANADA
I've seen folks prying on the flywheel to break a stuck engine loose. It seems to work...Sometimes! I'm looking forward to watching the engine teardown episode. It'll be interesting to see the condition of the cylinders...
I like your style man. Fantastic meticulous work you're undertaking. Look forward to more! Thanks.
I appreciate it!
Hey great video. That Edsel should be worth a fortune fully restored.
Should be. Sadly, rarity does not equate to value. Compare vintage Mustang prices to a same year Cougar. Even though the Cougar is in every way a better car.... 50% discount on the Cougar versus a Mustang.
This video showed showed up in my feed, went back and watched the first one and gave you a sub and a like. FYI the 475 on the rocker cover represents the torque of the engine.
Thanks for the info and for watching!
I sure hope you get this car up and running great.
Me too! Thanks for watching!
Yes personally on an old car like that I would spray some marvel mystery oil and all the cylinders or knock or loose. To let it sit for a day never put anything like 90 weight or actual grease into an engine and worst thing you can do then you use a breaker bar on the front just to crank it over move it back and forth take your time may have to spend a week or two trying to free up the motor if not you just take the damn thing apart. Next thing I always do is check the points and if you have an old oil bath system use dexron transmission fluid it filters 3 times better than the oil they recommend and you can overfill the air cleaner a little bit and help lure catch the valves. I love working on these old cars only a few people know how to work on them.
Great info! Thanks for watching and commenting!
Love the car, the skills, and the video presentation, and editing, I'll be watching them all with Great interest!
I appreciate it!
Real fun to see the "youngster" referring to the Generator as an Alternator! That car looks to be pretty complete. Its going to be a worth while restoration!
Thank you!
Generator is a very broad , general name for lots of different things. On a car, there will be either an alternator, or a dynamo, depending on which technology is used. Given the age of this one, I think it’s unlikely to be an alternator, though.
When I get that far in the video, I might be able to recognise it, if he gets a good shot of it
I have been looking for years to see someone even tackle a Edsel. I appreciate your candor and tenacity in getting that engine out. Since it was being taken out, I (myself) would have perhaps removed the heads while it was still on the car, but all in all, you did the right thing and it good you had your mate their to help wrangle the beast out of it's hold. Great job thus far mate ! Can't wait to see some more on this relic.
There are a few channels that have Edsels at the moment. ITGarage is front of mind, one of the guys (Dean) on the ColdWarMotors channel has one but it is a driver and it occasionally makes an appearance. Two guys just pulled one from a field and when I remember their channel name, I'll edit this.
And at least one other channel has an Edsel project but I can't recall that channel either.
Thank you!!
Atta Boy, that golden girl enjoys you playing with her parts and pieces.
She’s not a cheap and easy date to impress.
I’m as old as she is, they need lots of nut and bolt deep creeping penetrant to loosen her up.
Edsel’s were plagued with many mechanical nightmares but offered many great automotive features.
Persistence will pay off. Great story line and content.
Rosie🌹
Thank you!
Ive watched a lot of videos from the beginning like vice grip ...... keep it up.
I appreciate it!
It's quite refreshing to see an honest video on a barn find restoration. I'm glad you left the learning experiences in there as well. While there were a few things I saw and thought that won't work; it's so nice to see someone working through it on their own. Honestly, I broke so much on my first few cars, but those experiences were priceless. Keep going and keep breaking stuff! That's how we learn when there isn't a mentor standing next to you. It's an old car that would be junk if you hadn't stepped in. You can't hurt it!
I can't wait to see your next video. Best of luck with this one! It will be a fun driver.
Thank you very much!
Gonna be interesting to see what this thing looks like opened up!
Cool video. You need to think old school. They dif have sppeed sencers back in the day. There is a generator amd not an alternator. I love it when you young guys tackel these old cars. You learn as you go. The Edsel was a car before its time. Im going to enjoy this rebuild. New subscriber wish i could be there to help you.
Thanks!
hi sir i only watched 5 mins and decided to subscribe. You had a game plan and new how to go about what you need to do. Having paitence is a big part of having success. Also love seeing the younger generation enjoy and love getting these old classics run again. I am 66 and my parents owned a Edsel. Please keep doing the vedios and doing what you love doing. You have a great future in doing this if you dont give up. Also a great way to make money. Keep up the great work.
Thank you!!
Sorry- but that “beep” when you were cranking on the pulley cracked me up!! Been there done that!! Heh heh!!
You need a Flywheel turner tool. Mortske repair uses one. I think his is a SnapOn tool? it gives you a much greater lever arm to get it turning. Get some kroil Oil, it is expensive but it is amazing! PB Blaster too.
As an Edsel owner I understand the complexity of your choice of cars to restore. The "big" Edsel engine is almost Identical to the Lincoln 430 which was used up until 1967.I'm betting this is a case of a rotted aluminum piston.
You may be right but I’m hoping you aren’t haha in that case, can the 430 Lincoln pistons fit as a replacement?
@@TemperMetalFabrication I don't know if it's bore or stroke that's different-
Reminds me of when I started wrenching, nothing seemed easy. Only thing you might of tried early on would be a camera into the cylinders, probably would have found a really badly rusted cylinder and realized trying to get it to turn was out of the question. Saved all the other work and went straight to pulling it. Looking forward to seeing what held it up.
You’re definitely right. I was going to try and get a camera in there but I could see inside the spark plug holes with a mirror pretty well and didn’t see anything alarming. I have also never tried to free up a seized motor before so I wanted to mess around with it and try different methods.
On old motorcycles I will back the valves off (closed) and use an adapter I made ( grease zerk welded on a hollowed out spark plug) and pump the cylinder full of grease with a grease gun. Do this on a cylinder that the piston is close to the top. A good grease gun makes a lot of pressure. If that doesn’t do it, nothing short of a tear down will get them loose.
Now add this one one time I had an old mg no oil pressure set for 2 years I had a brilliant idea I'll just overfill the crankcase spin it over the connecting rods to be splashing in the oil also alone oil pump to permit shelf. Yep got some oil pressure up then drain out the oil and put fresh oil in and run the engine for a while very carefully.
Cool!
Another great video. I really admire your patience and persistence - very impressive - keep it up! This old girl is well worth it. Looking forward to the next video.
@@geoffjohnston1708 thank you!
Interesting to see this build as i have one of my own however im going a different dirrection with mine.
You got my vote bud. Keep up the good fight. Subed
Thanks!!
I rode to little league baseball games in a 58 Edsel station-wagon. I distinctly remember the push-button in the center of the steering wheel. That yaught was traded for a 63 Volkswagen bus, probably beacause of it's thirst for fuel.
Cool!
Looking forward to the next video! Looks like a cool project!
Ahh look at the fuel pump, a rebuildable unit ! Nice
I have a completely stalled project out in my garage. Even with this experience I still imagine myself trying another, but differently. So this would be what I imagine you are doing: getting her running and driving first, then fixing things while driving it, then gradually refinishing things. Then if I grow tired of it along the way I could sell it with my head up having successfully made good forward progress. I see some guys making good use of automotive endoscopes in the spark plug holes to immediately see the degree of rust in the cylinders.
That is exactly how I plan about going at it. I want to try and keep it running and driving while I repair panels so that I can still enjoy it.
Can't wait to see inside those cylinders. Good job!
Thank you!
Good luck ....there's a bunch of edsies in a place called desert valley Auto in Phoenix AZ
Good to know. Thanks!
Hello there,
I just started to watch your video's about the Edsel and noticed your t-shirt. Are you in Michigan? And I've scuba dove in Zukey lake a few times. and the chain of lakes. Good luck one the Edsel, I hope you enjoy it. I found a 1939 Cadillac in a small town up north, south of Traverse City (Manton) 25 years ago and restored it frame off. It took about 10 years to do and has been done about 15 years now. It's sometimes a long journey and expensive now compared to when I did mine. Enjoy
Myren
Hey, thanks for the comment! Yes I am local to the chain and Whitmore lake! That is cool that you’ve scuba dove in them and your Cadillac sounds like a fun restoration. Congrats!
Just found the channel! Awesome series and project can’t wait for part 3. Subscribed! 😁
Thank you!
ZUKEY LAKES RULES, YOU GO BOY😎👍
Thank you!!
When I have a stuck engine after looking inside with a borescope, I go directly to what I know will work. I will pour vinegar in the cylinders and let it sit overnight and the next day it is able to be broken free. After it's freed up, drain the oil and spray the cylinders with an oil to prevent it from flash rusting. Never leave vinegar in an engine more than 24 hours or it can eat the pistons.
Thanks for the tip! I did see that online but was nervous about the acidity and decided not to go that route.
Should have started with taking the motor out in the first place... Would be interesting to see what the insides looks like!
Trust me I wanted to start with that but I have never tried to free a seized motor before so I kind of wanted to try and mess around with it for my own future knowledge before I just jumped to pulling it out.
Looks like a great project. Keep the videos coming.
Thank you!
Just subscribed and can’t wait to see the progress!!!!
Thanks!
I'm having fun watching you...using terms relating to modern cars: "speed sensor". Back in the day it was a "speedometer cable", as you soon discovered. 😁
Stay the course. You're doing fine.
As bad as it's stuck, it probably needs rebuild anyway, but if you had a cheap Harbor Freight fiber optic camera, you could see just how bad the rust is in the cylinders. Also, Evapo-rust works really well, removing rust from the cylinders.
The Corsair and Citation had the 410 MEL engine with the power steering pump at the front of the crankshaft. Can be challenging to turn the engine by hand.
I think the power steering pump is belt driven off the driver side of the motor. Can that still make it hard to turn?
8:06 👀. You’re pretty good at that hand motion
When you are working on a car like ths you need to spray down the connections.
Me encanta ese motor amigo , es una bestia , estaría bueno restaurarlo....saludos desde buenos aires argentina, acá somos fanáticos del y-block
Thanks for the support!!
Bravo!
Speed sensor!!! Dude it’s a 58. Ain’t no kind of sensor on that car. And no metric fasteners either.
But it’s great to see a young man figuring it all out. I had to subscribe as a retired truck mechanic. I wish you were next door, boy could we have fun.
These Edsels had a speed warning set up.
Just a hint, if you had water in the motor, it would be at the bottom of the oil pan and come out first. You are good to go here. Well, you do still have a big job ahead of you.
Back in the day they seldom changed the oil, just added more when they saw the level was low.
Good luck with the project. I'm going to keep watching. I went through all the same stuff when I started, so I'm not ripping on you, just trying to help. First next time you have a trans cooler line that won't come loose and you can't get a torch in there, use a tubing cutter to cut it somewhere close to the radiator so you can pull the radiator. Now you can heat it on the bench, or just leave it on and reinstall the radiator later, then use a compression fitting to reconnect it. Also your approach with turning the motor was close but not right. When it's that stuck, unbolt the pulley and make a bracket to attach your bar to the balancer then you'll get alot more torque without breaking the pulley.
Great tips, thank you!
I'm flabbergasted you didn't snap the front of the crankshaft off prying on it like that. Pull the starter next time and pry at the ring gear.... A ring gear is cheaper than a crank. Neat old Edsel, I hope to see it running in the future. What part of Michigan are you in? Im in the Detroit area.
@@OldCarAlley thanks for watching and for the suggestion. I will definitely go for the ring gear next time, thats smart! I’m in Dexter, only about 45 minutes from you.
@@TemperMetalFabrication oldcaralley is right, all the motors I have broken loose was by prying the flex plate by the ring gear.works 90% of the time 👍🏻
@@TemperMetalFabrication The 58 Edsel is in my top 10 favorite cars, so you can be sure I watch every video on it.
Yes Dexter is not that far.
Love these car vidoes
@@rogerleggatt6448 thanks for the support!
I’ve always wanted a 58 Edsel, I’ll be following this series to see if I really do want one…😜
The tele-couch transmission was definitely a weak point, and I’m interested to see how you deal with it.
Cool! Thanks for watching!
You should have put a bore scope in before anything else that would have show you if the bore was full of crude .Keep going your learning and also you should have tried a crow bar on the flywheel ring gear that helps to loosen stuck pistons if the crank nut won't move it not preaching just I spent 60 years doing the game.👍
Thanks for the tips!!
good job.
Just rebuilt a Perkins 6.354.4 that was stuck fast, turned out it was only 1 cylinder rusted but we tried like you to get it to turn with no joy, so in the end pulled the head, released the big end cap on number 3 (engine could be turned by hand then) turned crank to bdc on 3, lump of wood in the bore, knocked piston down, clean rust off the bore then pushed piston up & out, hone bore with news rings on piston and gaskets, reassemble, don't know what yours will be like but why not just pull the heads so you can get the measure of how bad things are, you might be lucky and just need to "shock" 1 or 2 pistons free rather than a total rebuild.
Cool project! I hope you’re right and it’s only 1 or 2 pistons but I am kind of looking forward to tearing it down and learning about this engine.
Please don't mind my yelling instructions to you as you undergo this learning curve...
Lovely project. How bad is the rust?
Thanks! The body is rough but the frame is solid!
White vinegar i feel is the most effective on rusted cylinders
Thanks for the suggestion. I saw that online but decided not to use it since it’s acidic and can eat metal as well.
My uncle had an old edsel. He called it his Deadsel🤣
Cool cars
You should find source to get gaskets and what ever you are going to need before tear down.
Surprisingly autozone can source most of that!
Dude! You are totally hacking away at it and struggling… Just like I would 😂 However, I would be dropping way more F bombs! I am soooooo jealous. Keep it going, you’re doing great!!!
I edited quite a few out haha
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Trying to find Edsel rebuild part 3
@@eipip1ez I’m working on it right not. Hoping to post it soon!
Heat then cold, to losen metal.
😎👍from Sweden.
Hoping to find an Edsel with 410 and like that teletouch
It looks more realistic than dropping a little WD 40 and driving 1000 miles home.
Right? I’ll keep it as realistic as I can!
Looks welded!
my 58 edsel ranger had a motor that couldnt be turned over by hand but once I removed the starter you could turn it over easily
Thanks for the info!! I Will definitely put this to the test and remove the starter first.
gotta get a cheater bar on that frozen motor, about five footer cheater. Works everytime.
Thanks for the tip!
Any update?
@@jeremybrown6894 this time of year gets crazy for my so unfortunately I’m working slower than I planned. I just got the trans pulled off and motor on the stand tonight so hopefully the teardown will be completed this week and that will be the next video.
One bunt rod away from being a coffee table.
Haha I hear ya!
I like this new series. I will say I'm getting tired videos that start off with "what's up guys..." It's just overdone lol.
Is it me, or does it have a Holley on it ?
It is a Holley!
@TemperMetalFabrication It's a labor of love !
Gratuitous shot…35:52.
See the car for the first time. That cars old. Yep. Older then me. Yep. Parts are hard to get. Yep.......I'LL TAKE IT..
You get it!
People have had very good results freeing up stuck engines using vinegar instead of any concoctions. The vinegar dissolves any rust and will not harm the pistons. If the cylinders are badly corroded some pitting may be evident. See freeing a locked up engine for $5 on youtube.
@@randalbloomquist7812 I did a lot of research on the vinegar method and almost used it but there’s a lot of proof that since it is acidic it will also dissolve metal and start pitting the cylinder walls.
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The pitting of the cylinder walls will only occur where there is rust already penetrating into the cylinder. Any way you look at it, the block will need to be bored and honed. If it was me, I would also pull the rockers and ensure that valves aren't stuck to prevent further damage.
Couldn't help noticing your Zukey Lake Tavern shirt. Do you live near there? I'm in Howell. I subscribed after the first video, so came here soon as the notification came up.
@@talltom1129 yessir! I’m right at mast and strawberry lake!
@@TemperMetalFabrication let me know if you want help unsticking that motor.
@@talltom1129thanks! If you want to stop by and check out the progress at anytime let me know! My contact info is on google.
Just a suggestion there's a TH-cam channel called What The Rust Richard and his girlfriend have done plenty of Will It Run Videos if you are interested.
I’ll check it out, thanks!
Repairs like you are trying to do never lead to good and stable operation of the engine. The engine should be completely disassembled and overhauled with replacement of many parts. Perhaps in this excellent engine in all respects it will be necessary to grind or bore the cylinders, change the pistons with rings to another repair size, replace the valves and valve seats, inspect the connecting rod and main bearings, inspect the camshaft and replace all the seals to avoid leakage of lubricating oil. Without a doubt, replace the bearings and seals of the water pump. Then such an engine will serve longer and better than after the manufacturer. This is shown by the practice of many engine mechanics from many countries of the world. And these motors are so great at work that it would be a shame to throw away such an engine. Sorry for the hint, because we have practical experience in such repairs.
I agrée! Thanks for the info!
A 1958 Edsel... AN EDSEL? Who the heck wants to fiddle-fart around with a 56-year abandoned Michigan rust bucket EDSEL?
Many people.
I do
@@TemperMetalFabrication It's a nasty job, but someone has to do it! Some people really like them, others have no interest in them. Lincolns appeal to me-don't ask me why because I can't tell you why. The 1958-59 Lincoln Continental Mk 3 draws me in like a moth to a spotlight. I don't own one, but I would like to have one. I drive a 2028 Lincoln MKX AWD.
Kroil is my choice of penetrating oil…
Nice car, don’t make em like that anymore.
New school guy working on the old school cars. While the old school guys pretend they know everything in the comments.
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ihoe you get it al donei not tried to fix yank cars but done lot of bmw m ost of then
Looks an engine rebuild is your future, it probably was parked for a reason; DEAD engine!
It will a Ford Y block, ( they were not classified as a V8 as such ) they came in 272, 292, & 352 ci.
Needs a 351W. SWAP
Why did you pick up a car that the company went out of business 50 years ago,,?
Because I really love rare automotive history.
@TemperMetalFabrication I know but probably hard to find parts
@@TemperMetalFabrication It didn't go out of business. It'a Ford!
The best person to contact or parts here on YT is mr goodpliers. Just sub to your channel
Thank you!
Carnt believe you haven’t taken air intake off more room to work more access use gloves one slip knuckles take a hammering especially buy a radiator. Learn from experience my friend.
Thanks for the tip