The Problems With Monster Hunter Rise
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 22 ก.ค. 2024
- I have yet to find a video that really focuses on the ways MHRise is lacking. Given how excited I was for the game I feel a responsibility to also talk about the ways in which it was disappointing.
This video is an attempt to give a measured critique of the game.
0:00 Disappointment is not uncommon
1:53 The Ratatoskr video game rating system
5:36 MHRise is too easy
8:18 The joy of shared experience
11:36 Without difficulty the game can't shine
16:47 A worrying trend
19:10 Lack of an endgame
26:21 You rn 🙍♂️➡👽 - เกม
yoooooooo the animated thumbnail preview showed my animations, I have to watch it now LMAOooo
Ayo nch watches ratatoskr?
@@mjw-hk8jf he baits me to watch his content when I see my animations been use in his videos lmao. but I mean, yeah, I do check out some of his interesting topics he put up on the game. (I hear the entire 2hour podcast interview lmao)
(midway through video thoughts)
well, I guess to put it to some degree, Monster hunter rise, or MH in general does technically have a "difficulty slider"
its called armor spheres lol.
like, I believe if you don't upgrade any of your armor and take its base defense, the gameplay will definitely be different lol....
(finished watching thoughts)
haha...how you point out I was able to make such animated content due to the "challenge"
yes, thats how it works to some degree lol. key moments in world like HR49, Velkhana demo, behemoths are the stuff and material I am able to adapt and make into skits.
>NCH makes only 2 rise skits for this year
>while it maybe that Rise was indeed "not enough material to make skits out of the experience"
>the other reason I just want to wean myself away from MH content for the time being and "do the stuff I want to do" so most of my rise skit ideas i planned are thrown into the backburner....but yeah I can be frank, most of my rise skit ideas are just jokes on comparing the mechanics, other than that, just not sure I got the experience I can adapt into a funny skit like how my world's experience was lol.
you got me there mr squirrel guy lmao.
(also another irony to add, the Monster hunter MOVIE, actually gave me an experience I actually enjoyed that I wanted to adapt and make a full feature 20min long animated retelling of it, thats why I threw my rise skits into the backburner to work on the MHMovie reanimated... which is my current most fun MH skit I've worked on)
Just want to say I love all your work and the Movie parody was food for the soul and bloody hilarious
When the Seliana theme kicked in, I had an unstoppable urge to go back there.
I haven't leaved there... i pretty much hunted everything but still, i am still there helping another hunters in HR and MR.
And? What is stopping you to do so?
You still can brother.
I still do to meet up with my PlayStation only online friends. We play for 2-4 hours as we slay Fatalis in our last hunt as a traditional goodbye for now since we do other stuff
I haven’t made any friends online on Switch sadly enough. I swear with some of the hate Worldborne gets, the thing they absolutely nailed it was the lobby system. Sure 16 people was excessive but I met a lot of great people and the online friends I’m close with now, we talk as if we’ve known each other for years even tho they live in China and Japan. It’s a nice feeling and it’s something I haven’t experienced in Rise.
And that... I did.
Capcom after watching this video: Let's make Apex Hyper Variant Jaggi in G rank.
Ah, yes. Bringing Great Jaggi up to a fraction of his true power; a true power move.
FINALLY
I would pay for that!!
nah, you'll get an apex hyper variant jaggi sticker instead xD
The fight involves fighting an Omega Jaggi who has dragon AND blast blight properties and is followed by several great Jaggi!
i love how you arent afraid to simply say "i dont want to do that", respect
why would he be afraid of others opinions that's for pussies
I'm torn, do I like the video because I agree with a lot of points or dislike it because it's failed to alienate me
This is a paradox because it just alienated you by not alienating you? Which is a looping cycle I do not wish to talk about
Thanks for making this video! I agree with your points. Rise is an amazing game, but there’s not really much to do after you’ve reached the end. Whenever I played Rise with online friends, we’d always have trouble picking the mission we’d want to do. It would always end up with something like “You choose the quest, John.” “No no, you choose. I’ve done all the quests and gotten all the materials.” “Okay, you choose then, Jane.” “It’s okay, I’m just here to follow you guys. I don’t have any particular quest I’d like to do,” and then we’d just end up slaughtering Rajang for the hundredth time and sell all the quest rewards to get rich lol. Eventually, I stopped playing the game and it’s been a month since I last played it.
On a positive note, I’m glad that I got burnt out from this game, so I could play other games instead haha. When I played MHW, I couldn’t move on to playing other games, so I missed out on a lot. OT but now I’m currently playing Ghost of Tsushima and wow, this game has so much content to explore! (yes I know I’m super late, I had to wait for a discount okay *sobs*)
Btw I used your guides in the past to learn about the long sword since it's not my main weapon. I didn't realise that this video is made by the same person. No wonder the voice sounds familiar 😂
@@daviddorner6806 I disagree. Not saying that you're not right in some regard but you're either ignoring or undermining things just to elevate your point. Base game will always be more "underwhelming" in terms of content than the ultimate version but it's not just them intentionally making it so. I don't think you're taking in account how much more stuff they have to develop in the base game. Most of the mechanics, locales, characters and systems are made for the base game. The MR expansion on the other hand can purely focus on adding monsters and so on. The base game is what lays foundation for the MR expansion to build on, you can't just ignore that.
Also, there's nothing wrong about releasing updates gradually. It keeps the game fresh, changes the meta, gives us something to look forward to so the community keeps having fun discussions and most importantly *lets them have more development time overall.* This also means that they can develop the updates with less workers and shift some of their devs into planning the next title or other games. Iceborne for example was already in development before World even released.
And let's not forget that these updates are all free and even the MR expansion which comes with as much gameplay content as base game costs $40 instead of full $60, or so it was with Iceborne anyways. If you think they're being greedy with this I don't know what to tell you. Capcom's MH team is very consumer friendly compared to most companies.
However I have to agree on the paid DLC stuff. It seems that Capcom is starting to experiment on alot of paid cosmetics which could instead be in the game and tied to event quests for example. For now it's not outrageous but I really hope it doesn't get worse from here ...it probably will.
@@daviddorner6806 They only made "Ultimate" versions when an update to add the planned content would be unfeasible. For example, Generations to Generations Ultimate (Or Cross to Double Cross if you prefer the original names) both originally released on the 3DS where updates were limited to bug fixes and that's it. The 3DS had no room for a free DLC update, like we're seeing with Rise, or even a Paid DLC update like Iceborne. Same goes for MH4 and 4U. I'm sure that if Rise gets a large scale expansion like Iceborne, then they will probably release a special physical version that comes with the full copy of the game, and the G-Rank addition all in a bundle for like 70 bucks, but for all of us who already have it, you'll be able to buy it from the eShop for no more than $14.99. I also can't say that the base game of MH Rise is truly lacking in content.
@@daviddorner6806 i think you came in with iceborne level expectations and then were surprised that it wasn't on par with iceborne (which is an incredible dlc to an incredible game, seriously, don't expect that level of content for something unless you like to be disappointed) you say that it has these mystery "things wrong with it" and claim the gameplay is a joke. dude, it's a shorter game that I will admit was rushed, but isn't a joke. what have you played for your expectations to be so high?
@@The_Big_Jay What? Generations Ultimate got bursts of DLC quests that were per month for eng and weekly in Japan.... like the past games before it..... lol. It did not ship with all its available quests
@@JeanKP14 I'm talking about all the "Story Quests". Go out and buy Generations right now a fight Ahtal-Ka. You know, that giant bug that has a completely unique fighting style and wasn't in Generations. They'd have to Update it into the game, like I was talking about. How many "Blocks" would that take up on a 3DS?
When I made this video I wasn't aware of any negative practices by G2A. I meant that statement as shorthand for buying used.
Sorry if this seems brainless, but what is G2A and the negative practices they did? Sorry if you mentioned it in the video.
@@smeldernivenhoff7902
G2A isnt an authorized Key Reseller like, like say Steam.
They dont buy the Games itself, they are just giving a plattform for people to do so.
People often sell stolen Keys on their side which they got through a scam or purchased with a Stolen Credit Card Number etc.
Not saying that every last person on the website is doing it, but the chance are pretty high .
They kinda admitted it with Factorio somwhere last year.
Still high seas for the win muahaha, expect g2a.
G2A screw people over a lot, we just dont see it, I have seen that first hand, not happen to me but to ppl I know.
can you tell me what that flute song is before i go insane k thx
I always wondered if anyone else had a sense of emptiness when they played rise. I bought the game and felt like something is missing but kept playing.
Same tbh. I didn’t even get to Ibushi. I stopped playing before Chameleos released. To me, it just didn’t grab me like World did.
The verticality of the levels was really cool… At first until you realize that there are all kinds of services and places that monsters won’t go anywhere near
@@usaskjock I *fucking* *hated* the desert map because of how much shit you have to scale over if you follow the wrong path or fall or just don’t know where the monster spawns at.
sorta same, but i lost my monster hunter world disc so rise is all i have left and its still good
I remembered putting majority of my time in a day in iceborne because of the sheer amount of content, challenge, and absolute fury I had for the bullshit mechanics.
But it was those moments and challenges that made me come back each time. I remember having a miserable time for my first Bazel fight and I would've quit right there but the satisfaction in killing it was euphoric.
I came to Rise, a lot better with LS and CB. I was undergeared with just a full barroth set, surprise axe II, and only 2 rapid morph decos. I fought Bazel first try and, even though I fainted twice, won it. Those two faints were me being greedy with axe hopper since it was a new mechanic.
here I am with 90 hours in my gameplay, I have a near maximized raw CB. Chameleos and kushala were not hard to deal with at all, even disappointed at kushala. Teostra was slightly harder than his world counter part, and Valstrax was actually enjoyable with how fast he was. Besides that, I am just finishing all my quests and collecting every CB and LS. After that? idk, I am losing my grip with this game and only playing like... 2 hours nowadays compared to my 6-8 hours/day of agonizing pain with Safi'Jiiva.
There is nothing wrong with being critical to a game you have passion for. Great video man.
There shouldn't be but now days people get so emotionally attached to a game that they jump your shit at the slights hint of a differing opinion.
As much as I love Rise I am kinda disappointed how it turned out. Recently I've been playing Dragons dogma again since it went on sale on steam
Love for Dragon's Dogma. It has many flaws, but they're nothing in the face of what the game gets right.
@@Sleepy_Dandelion I've played it back on 360 and it feels great playing it on PC again. Like holy shit, I love this game for what it does. Really hoping Dragons Dogma 2 comes out
Dragon's dogma fucking slaps bruh
And I've been playing mhgu.can't wait to get ripped apart by bloodbath diablos 1,000 times😆
*QUEST FAILED*
dude the game is legend played it more than 5 times and I still come back to it.
"there is nothing to optimize for" that phrase resonated with how I feel for rise. That's exactly why I'm not motivated to play.
The older games just felt sooo much longer and if you made it to the end there was stuff to do or you atleast felt satisfied with it for a while. Especially Freedom Unite.
personally i like the palimutes increased speed, kind of like a skip button between maps to get straight into the fight.
the wirebug crud adds too much freedom of movement, while fun at first it just feels like the dodge button roided up.
everything else feels nice enough for me, aside from a few nit picks like a next to difficult rajang, and maybee a few more animated voice-acted, or just fun and unique crossovers. like the zombie virus that let players have fun with unlimited rocksteady, a port of another games monster, unique skeleton and all, cosmetics up the wazoo...
@@Ed_man_talking9 I would use palimimutes if wire grappling didn't exist but I can't see a reason to follow the premade lanes on the dig when you can zip up the wall
@@alexryherd9810 you know freedom unite is a better version of mhf1 right? its like the mhw iceborne dlc, an expansion ... like monster hunter 4 (Ultimate) which also is the G-Rank expansion ... there will be MH Rise Sunbreak as Grank expansion dlc so dw, it will be more content. also single player in rise monsters have like half or a third of their original health, so that new players or anyone yould finish the story. The quests in the online gathering hub are properly scaled to ur original difficulty of the monster hunter game you know. dont get me wrong, I dont like that system, I still play mhfu on pc with friends till this day.
But if youre annoyed by how easy it is, just paly all qquests in the gathering hub solo and see the single player as a chill, farming mode or sth ;)
@@tyneuku3673 its faster. ure so slow on wirebugs xD
I think the best example of the decrease in difficulty in Rise would be simply comparing Rajang from previous games to its appearance in Rise. In previous games, it was _legendarily_ difficult, one of the roaming terrors like Deviljho that were just an absolute nightmare to face; a monster that you would typically flee from at all costs if it wasn't the main objective in the quest. But, in Rise, it's sort of just a regular monster on par with other monsters of its rank. Honestly, I think Rathalos is tougher in Rise than Rajang is.
The biggest culprit in affecting how easy Rajang is imo would be the decrease in damage mentioned in this video. Previously, Rajang was notorious for hitting you with a quick flurry of punches and just *clocking* you for 3/4 of your health bar if you didn't get outta there. But in Rise, he doesn't even do 1/2 of your health. You can kinda just take the hit even if you aren't at full health, drink a potion, and get back to it. The punishment for messing up in his fight is so much less severe that it takes most of the threat away from him.
The first quest I did in high rank there was a Rajang on the map. Of course at the time it was just a question mark so I went to check it out and ended up messing around and picking a fight with it. Low and behold with low rank armor I was able to defeat the rajang though it wasn’t a pretty victory. In no monster hunter game ever should I be able to beat high rank rajang with low rank armor and weapons.
This video has hurt me intensely, but only because when I stop and think about it, it's all true.
How?
@@jackkrell4238 look into your heart. And you will see.
@@footlessmoonbadger7189 I get that you're supposed to be deep, but just no
@@jackkrell4238 denial is the first stage of grief jack
@@realcautionarchive lmao!
I had a lot of fun with Rise, but he’s right though. There’s something special that comes with an oppressively difficult monster fight. It brings the community together, we talk about best strategies, share our META sets for the fight, and makes jokes about the ridiculous mechanics and moves of a monster. I think that’s why I can keep going back to MHGU and world over and over.
I feel you there. Me and a few friends have been playing GU because we’re just so bored wjrh Rise.
There’s something that hits different about taking down EX deviants in GU
Most memorable for me was the EX Behemoth and AT Nergi fights while wearing HR armor, that shit was fun lol
@@Anonymous-ld7je Man, base world was so tough for me, tempered elders with barely any white sharpness was brutal. First time Anja too, I didn't feel that wall so hard on Rise TBH. I kinda breezed until magna HR
Either that, or half the community pick up their pitchforks and cry like babies, case in point - Alatreon.
The amount of babies when he was released was outstanding and I couldnt believe that some in the community would go to as far as asking for nerfs.
I'll be perfectly frank: I came into this video knowing nothing about Rise and only watched because your reviews/criticisms/discussions are always well-reasoned and thought-provoking.
And I like your voice. It's soothing.
My first game was generations for the 3DS and I feel the two most recent entries World and Rise have something missing from the Monster Hunter formula, everything has been streamlined. Autocrafting, Paintballs were removed, free power ups scattered around the map, even other monsters help you win fights now. I feel a lot of people consider these changes to be quality of life but for me... it just makes the hunts less satisfying. I didn't track the monster, I didn't craft the supplies in order to take down my quarry, no. I just loaded into a level and beat up an animal for the 7th time for its 12% drop. The thing that makes these games satisfying for me is the thrill of the hunt.
the only thing I don't miss is the paintballs tbh, it got considerably annoying when I spend 8 minutes looking for a monster that's constantly changing areas in 4u and others. but I agree with most the other things you said.
I actually really enjoy how monsters fight each other and I’m surprised that it wasn’t a thing before World. It really makes them feel like animals living in a actual world. Them helping you in hunts is just a side effect of that feature.
Also I’m okay with no paintballs. It was kinda annoying spending minutes trying to find a monster. Everything else I agree with you.
I agree with some parts, especially the endgame part, but I think some things miss the mark. The Miyazaki interview is mentioned in defense of the shared experience of the base difficulty of the game, but Dark Souls difficulty is baked into the game design, with grinding/pyromancies/miracles/sorceries/summoning/alternate paths/drake sword/early lightning spear type stuff to help you modulate your difficulty, without restricting yourself (slvl1 runs). Even games without as many choices, like Bloodborne and Sekiro, still allow this. MH is less elastic and more linear in its shared experience, so when it makes allowances like the item restocking it feels worse than it actually is.
Also, even though it's not directly mentioned in the video, there are some people that take Rise as the next step of MH after World, when it's more of a sidestep into something different, like Generations was.
But what I think the game should do in regards to difficulty is make it more interesting, with things like investigations. Maybe even new types, with a monster so agressive you find your item box destroyed at camp, or something of that nature.
I don't even know who is going back to their item box midhunt. If people don't want this game to be easy, why are grasping for every possible crutch?
@@godspeedhero3671 I hate the lack of an item box at camp in earlier games tbh, it makes capture quests infuriating and only makes me go 'whoops forgot x item sorry guys time to abandon quest'
@@godspeedhero3671 Anyone?Rise doesn't feed mutch from this because how easy it is but gunners benefit from this and in Mhw/I, it feeded alot from restocking.
"the bottom numbers are never used" you've clearly never seen a balan wonderworld review
Balan Wonderworld had some decent ideas, but us it was put together in something that just didnt work out.
In practice, the "bottom numbers" are reserved for sending a message of condemnation.
@@phillipshields7402 ideas and deliverance are two different things. The idea was a solid 8-9 and the delivery was a solid 2. Not on rats scale though 🤣
@@lxrdxo9388 you right
Thats because most of the reviews are bottom numbers
This was a very interesting video for me because I love rise and stories2 and world, and while this was a critique video of a game I enjoy that had some sentiments I did not agree with the well structured argument and valid points kept me listening, agreeing sometimes and not others. but I still ended the video feeling like I understood the other point of view alot more which gave me a better appreciation for the games in question and community opinions as a whole.
you have different opinions
Failure in monster hunter,
see, that's what I actually liked.
Yes, even the unlucky carts. Having a failure as an option is something I liked actually. Most get people get absolutely angry to see the quest fail screen, but I found it necessary against the hardest monsters.
This was the most well thought out criticism I’ve seen.
Hey MHS buddy! Magrat here!
I’m a fairly “””old””” MH player , i started with Freedom 2 ( even tho it was during Tri’s released ) , so i can say I’m kind of an experienced player, not a great one tho.
I think Rise’s difficulty peak are perfect for a base game imo. Dunno, I’m getting fairly challenged in those advanced quest. Even carting quite often against Valstrax. So, difficulty isn’t my problem. My real grip for Rise is the lack of armors/weapon for the Apex cos i love their fights, even if i wouldn’t wear their stuffs ( just like GU’s deviants ), i just want to earn smt from them.
Was actually pleased when i saw that i needed Apex Zinogre stuffs to upgrade Rampage Bow.
Rise is my fav MH in term of gameplay, i just want more. Need them to either add Hyper system or give better Event Quests. That’s all i need
as a player who started in 3. I have to object your honor. Hypers aren't a challenge or a mechanic they are BS. you could have max defense armor skills and the hyper attacks would still kill you. I'll take blighted, Apex, Tempered and Arch tempered over Hyper. Heck I'll take fighting 2 plestioths then 2 hyper ones.
@@AlejandroRodriguez-cy8ee hyper was just a random example 😭 just need buffed monster
I’m not exactly sure about the difficulty but I definitely agree with the lack of Apex armors. Why would I want to play difficult hunts if there’s zero reward behind them. As shitty as base world tempered hunts go, at least you get something in the end. You get nothing from fighting apex monsters.
@@Aokijidonis22 i know buddy. i'm sorry for popping. but i agree....minus Hyper
@@jackzhang4135 besides some material for rampage weapons and the final upgrades for the OG weapons of the monsters. yeah not much of a reason to go back and hunt em minus the fun factor. but that will eventually run out soooo yeaah
I’ve been looking for a video that shared my thoughts. I haven’t touched Rise in quite awhile, and I find myself actually enjoying GU and World much more
Not to mention the hairstyles in Rise are criminally limited and a lot of them just look the same but with different bangs
And where tf is layered weapon for all weapons? Capcom pls
I agree on basically everything you’ve said in this video. That was very well done, I personally couldn’t have explained it better myself. Great review overall.
I think difficulty is kinda what's holding the MH community (the fact that we don't talk that much in lobbys anymore) in older games playing solo online made the monster harder and when you couldn't beat it having player to help you was a relief, and created a bond that we can still have with some of them today ! Having a scalling multiplayer just make the monster harder to kill when people come... Personnaly when I try to help people in the old fashion way by trying to communicate, I don't get responses often and the fact that they mostly all have the sos flare just made it harder and for them it's the way to play because they are learning/farming
I miss the communication in the old games people use to talk all the time and now in rise whenever i go into a room barely anyone says anything, there would be a few hellos and some stickers but just dead silent for the remander of the time.
@@solking1781 Yeah I aven't played Rise, just world and iceborne for now but I heard the same thing
@@solking1781 i dont even think people realize theirs a chat to begin with
23:50 Oh my god I literally almost cried. I have personally been saying this for months now with nobody really agreeing with me. but someone out there actually understands it...
The main thing I didn't like about Rise is what it did to the hunting horn. There's just nothing left to master. The HH in Iceborne was my main motivation for playing. I kept wanting to do better with it, to use every move to its full potential, playing songs in the monster's face and planning ahead for my next recital. The new moves in Rise are cool and all, but they don't make up for all that's been lost. It just feels way more straightforward, there's no real thought involved and choosing the perfect move for each situation is very easy (It's usually recital). I LOVED Kamura, the new combat system and the atmosphere, but I only get sad when I think about Rise now because I know my Weapon isn't in it.
As a hunting horn main, when I saw the new style that they implemented on the HH i was hyped and was happy that it is getting recognized by many, but the thing is, some hunters picked it up NOW when it got a massive upgrade but wouldn't pick the weapon up before, I highly agree with the planning ahead of time for what notes to use, thus really making us use our brains and it's a good thing. Don't get me wrong tho I really like how aggressive it is in rise and it looks sick, I'll just miss who it used to be, a hunter once mentioned in a comment that 'before, no one wants to be the hunting horn user, but it is what they want to have in a hunt'. But yeah... I will miss it being called the least used weapon and all that stuff cuz that's lowkey the reason why I picked it up in the first place.
I very much agree with this difficulty argument. I have loved getting wrecked by a new monster before coming back and finding out how properly end their career.
These are literally my exact same issues with it. This is the first Monster Hunter game where I played for 150 hours and I feel like there's nothing for me to do as I completed every quest in a breeze and did a bunch of build sets that I wanted without much effort. I even played MH 3 Tri for like 350 hours and that was village quests only as I didn't have wifi back then and I still had stuff to do, even tho there were some monsters exclusive to the Hub quests and that game is the second on the list with the lowest large monster count (with the first being MH1 by just one monster difference).
I got 200 hours out of Rise and once everything was said and done I was like, well then……I wasn’t satisfied like I was with the base game of World which I got 2,000+ hours out of just the base game alone.
I feel like this goes to the same thing, even though some people Say that tempered monsters are not good, I feel like they added a lot of things, longevity for example, plus expeditions and investigations, ever since 4U we had a Mechanic that Will make monsters harder and we don't run out of quests to do, that's what i feel like.
I am playing Generations Ultimate and I find that GU is more fun than Rise, Wolrd was my first then Rise, and now that I got to GU I don't wanna go back to rise
@@adavisavila1101 I'm in the same boat. I like each monster hunter for a multitude of different reasons but I always go back to gu
How did you play tri for 350 hours XD i remember having 200 hours and all of village done every armor every weapon, tri without online is the most lacking MH experience ever but somehow i play that game for 200 hours i play rise for 100 hours and i havent play since valstrax that say something
I appreciate your well reasoned and heartfelt critique.
I was introduced to Monster Hunter by a friend. I too started with World and then progressed organically to Iceborne.
I went into Rise with the fresh and exhilarating experience of having slain Fatalis and farmed him for armor and weapon crafting/upgrades. Worse (in my experience), was goddamned Arch-Tempered Velkhana in Iceborne, the 30-min event quest.
I'm not a speedrunner, I"m not great at Monster Hunter, but I'm stubborn.
I hated that Velkhana fight. I loved that fight. It was perfect, in my opinion, and took everything in me to solo it.
There is nothing like that in Rise and it breaks my heart.
To add context, I am the kind of individual who will attach to a game and play it until there is nothing left, often setting arbitrary goals for myself.
I went into MH World and vowed to craft every single piece of gear.
A pointless goal and one which I did not, could not as a newbie, appreciate the scope of.
I never completed that goal, despite a valiantly foolish early effort. I played World/Iceborne for around 1300 hours. I ended around MR 400-ish.
As of today's date, I have reached HR 359 in Rise, I have crafted all of the Low Rank and High Rank gear for my hunter, all of the layered armor for my hunter, all of the Palico and Palamute armor, and all of the Palico and Palamute layered armor. This includes those sets given by Event Quests. I've only played Rise for 397:51:00.
With what I experienced in World/Iceborne, i.e. the arbitrary, exponential hell that is attempting to craft all armor and layered armor, the fact that I have done this in Rise and have only played for roughly a third of the time howls volumes. I know there's a lot wrong with the comparison, i.e. the fact that World/Iceborne has a Master rank along with Alpha/Beta sets, amongst others, but these distinctions between World/Iceborne relative to Rise are kind of the point, I think.
I love Rise and am excited for Sunbreak.
It just could have been so much more.
I truly appreciate this video.The care I see is genuine.Your not bashing.Your telling of something that you care deeply.And I respect you.
Rise being easy doesn't make me hate it, BUT it does mean I'm going spend A LOT less time playing it than the MH other games. I still play World an GU.. but Rise is on the shelf.
I tried getting into GU back when I first bought the switchAbsolutely could not do it too many load times and my God the clunkiness of everything. Love the world and got into it there. Rise was definitely too easy but I did enjoy it quite a bit
You know... I should boot up GU again. If I hadn't been spoiled the past few years with playing on a game pad... I'd jump back into MH4U, but man, that 3DS. Lol
I miss the old, clunky, games. And oh do I miss gore and shagaru magala.
On one hand i do understand your concerns with mh 6 but the portable team and the main team are on different wavelengths all together so if rise ultimate is not difficult then i suspect monster hunter 6 or 6 ultimate still has a chance
About the "play with lower tier equipment" part - that's what I did, since most armors did not fit my playstyle. I'm currently in 7* Hub and have made three armor sets so far, because the game was so easy I mostly didn't feel the necessity to switch to a set with higher defense. I got until the end of Low Rank with an unupgraded Izuchi armor (until I made LR Anjanath stuff because Magnamalo was two-shotting me). This game is so, SO much easier than World (which was my first MH game, Rise is my second)
We had this with Generations and XX. I thought Gen was too easy and XX just pumped endgame monsters to their absolute worst. When everything oneshots it doesn't feel right either. I think Iceborne had it, bun 4u did it best. Rise should be fine.
Thank you. I always scratch my head when people hold up Generations as the epitome of traditional monster hunter, even when it was probably the least traditional out of all the portable MH games pre rise
Gen was my first game, and honestly I didn't like the controls so much I almost stopped playing not long after the first large monster. A friend of mine got me more into MH and when he said he was getting Gen it encouraged me to power through. I am now in love with the series. But sadly I agree with you. Now that I've gotten better Gen is so easy, XX when I got it I soloed my way to G-rank. With Rise I put at this time 155 hours in, and haven't played much. I barely had the energy to fight Valtrax because I know as soon as I did the game would be dead to me until the next big update. MHS2 Had so much content to it and a things to keep me invested even if some parts are a bit too grindy. Rise I made a set that worked, made a fun set, and then the 5 weapons I wanted. I'm done. Currently Playing 3U, and when I can get my hands on it 4U. When the cracked version of Frontier comes out I might play that too even though I heard the later game stuff gets into the one shot area.
I've realized after a lot of genuine thought, I don't want harder and harder progressively like in GU, I adored GU and it's difficulty but God some of it was just....some of it didn't want me to play it, that's what it felt like lol.
What I'd like to see, is just more and a slight increase in difficulty, being able to play the game and have to be careful. Like the Valstrax hunt. It's not my favorite hunt. But it has the perfect difficulty imo, it's not insane, but you need to learn and be careful
Id like to see a fun, rewarding loop, when all is said and done. I think the Ultimate expansion could do this, without Hyper Monster style bs or the weirdly grindy bits of Deviants from GU.
Their is a happy balance here that can come from a Ultimate update. I think anyways.
@@tofuteh2348 Maybe because people found MHGen to be the most fun out of the series. It's the Monster Hunter game I kept coming back to because all of the hunting styles
MH4U had potential, but they runied my main weapon and the endgame is the worst in the series.
Base world and Iceborn was good, but Fatalis and his BS quest and OP gear killed the game for me.
@@AntonioCunningham Fatalis and his OP gear was the final reward for everything you’d done up to that point. Yeah it broke the game, but there basically isn’t anything left to do after that anyway. It’s a good send off imo. Hundreds to thousands of hours of deco farming was my only reason to play up until then. I was glad to have the divisive alatreon fight and fatalis. Felt very good beating those monsters with my friends after failing with randoms repeatedly.
In MHW, I had to have a tailored armor set for most end game monsters. If I didn't stack resistances for that type, I was carted so easily. In MHR, I have 1 set for all monsters, and just adjust my weapon. And sometimes not even that. The loop in MHW was so much better. Need a certain resistance? Farm the lower end monsters and slowly build up to the best set for the tough monster. In MHR, just randomly pick any armor and win the game.
Kirin in MHW was a major wall for me. But I farmed for better gear specifically for him, leant his patters, and now I love fighting him. No one in MHR has made me do that. Yeah there has been tough fights, but they mainly just last longer, and at 2/3 carts, I just dance around a lot more, healing, restocking, until I finally chip away at their health
Yeah raging brachydios was so hard for me and I had to make a whole set for it and put specific charms on my mantles to help me at right times and when I beat it I felt amazing. I was really hoping to have that same feeling in rise but I really haven’t
I think my wall monster was in generations
The deveints
Sliverwind was just merciless and carted so many times
And now I have full set of sliver wind (though is mostly part to deveints health pool)
In MHW I had sets per weapon but not a set per monster. Same thing in Rise. I don't see the issue here. Also stacking resistance is worse than just using health boost which was the best defensive skill.
This video is literally how I’ve been feeling for the past couple months and it makes me so sad. The endgame and difficulty being nonexistent, the number of hours not being enough for a Monster Hunter game, feeling like I want to play more but I have nothing to do. It’s funny, I went back to Iceborne recently and currently am helping my friend who’s new to the series through Iceborne. We fought Raging Brachy for the first time and it felt amazing. I have Fatalis gear and we lost the first time, that’s something I haven’t felt in awhile. I came to Rise expecting something I could play for a year straight like I did for World and nothing else. Unfortunately it’s not that, and I hate the stupid “You just want to play World” and the “play another game then” argument. I don’t want to play another game, I want to play Monster Hunter at the standard World set for me. Rise simply doesn’t meet that standard, and I really wish it did which is why I’m disappointed
As an old school MH player who first played MH Freedom 2 as a child in the late 2000s, Monster Hunter World is both the best and worst thing to happen to the series. It bought so many quality of life improvements and gameplay changes that I love, bit it also creeped in more and more mmorpg game mechanics into the series and tried to turn it into a live service series, which I personally don't like and wish for the series to turn into.
@@daviddorner6806 I don't really entirely agree with most of that. I only agree with the part about removing Hot and Cold Drinks.
When I replayed MH 4 recently, I found myself missing some of newer QoL changes from Rise, such as reversable weapon upgrades and the in-game weapons tree itself, as well as not having to need combo books.
Item management isn't an integral part of the series, not like Resident Evil where item & resource is one of the core mechanics of RE games.
I don't see why a game can't just have a beginning, middle, and end. I think Rise is a great game to play, and I don't see why every fight needs to be super hard. I like that it's not overly difficult. World is obviously still a great game, but Rise is also great. And I don't know, I think expecting to play a game for a whole year nonstop is perhaps expecting a little much. I think if you can play a game for a hundred hours or a couple hundred hours, then you've got your moneys worth.
@@themadkingatmey Exactly
@@ShooberTimber I don't know you're talking about. I enjoyed the game and thought it was good, and so did most games critics like IGN who reviewed the game
I don't understand why the community is giving this game so much slack. Maybe I am just a filthy casual lol.
Little bit of side note to difficulty, but speaking about endgame, can we also just appreciate how World intertwined a transmog system with the Guiding Lands? Honestly Guiding Lands in general was genius - just a playground of biomes that you can roam with people and farm mats for endgame items and even cosmetics. I spent so long just joining and hosting GL expeditions and hunting whatever showed up with randoms. It was a blast.
Not to mention the badass ost it had
I feel many hunting aspects are being taken out of monster Hunter. I never feel the need to prep or prepare for a hunt and honestly I just turned my brain off and slash randomly in rise a lot of the time. A lot of agency and important decisions feel pointless. A comment I saw a while ago said it very well. Monster Hunter is becoming monster fighter.
I think that was maybe me
Yeah the removal of hot and cold drinks, the new item box in the map features, the reduced number of hunts needed for equipment. It all lends itself to feeling less like the long dance of prep and ready and more like any other intense arena game, which is fun but very different
Its getting like a typical rpg. sad
Dude i miss playing mhfu and actually having difficulty and preping for like 15 minutes before a quest and in g rank about 30 minutes good time i just wish that mh would go back to what it was with the updated graphics of rise
Okay, how about you turn you’re brain off while fighting Suped up Allmother. In rise, sure there are some hunting aspects removed, but World: IB literally has all the aspects. Go ahead and try doing the same to apexes, go try that against CGV. And I can promise you, you’ll cart immediately.
No, I completely agree. Ive been bemoaning the lack of a loop like investigations since patch 1.0. It's really hard to go back and do missions. I'll do a rampage or events with my friends, but this was nowhere near how often we used to get on GU or World.
Eh, I disagree about base world. There was nothing there, WI yes as Iceborne added stuff. But I felt the same way about base world as I feel about rise
@Cringe-Gamer - In MH4U you have some sort of free hunt / relic weapon hunting which help a lot during late game , those quest also have super strong frenzy monster too , i still remember Teostra 1 shot everyone with his super nova .
@@baconboi4482 I kinda disagree. Investigations alone are a huge thing for replayability. Even today I still go back and play a bunch of them just for fun. I clocked in base World about 400 hours just because of investigations.
Honestly I'm waiting for the PC version, I spent about 2000 hours in World/IB altogether but that was partly because of the gameplay loop. I don't mind the melding pot in Rise but I felt more need to grind in World/IB and didnt mind it because I'd get something that could benefit me through the decoration system in tempered investigations, while In Rise that feeling is behind waiting to see what your meld gives.
If Rise had a similar system the way investigations were, the gameplay loop IMO would be better.
I like to grind, I like a reason to hunt monsters. But personally, for me at least the melding pots just felt off to me on top of the millions of combinations compared to the small pool World/IB had.
I feel the main difference is that World/IB went with an MMORPG style and Rise is more traditional. I'm not saying one is bad or better than the other, I love big, but as someone who plays MMORPGs I'm much more used to the grind for gear in an MMO comparable to Decos in MH the way World and IB did it than how Rise did.
I must also let it be known I've been playing MH since MHFU and have played every game since then, so this isn't some "world baby" comparison.
For me, I feel World/IB just delivered my desired gameplay loop, one that made me choose what I dedicated my time to. I realize its not for everyone, but this is just my opinion more than anything.
The only thing I been doing on rise is gold crown hunting atm a little burnt out
Haven’t watched the whole video yet, but *thank you* for the whole “it’s fantastic, the most fun I’ve had with the combat system, but it’s not a 3”. I by no means regret buying Rise, but I feel unsatisfied with the new monsters - both their lack of numbers in favour of old monsters (I feel a 50/50 split between new and old doesn’t give a chance for new monsters to shine) and their overall quality. You explained exactly how I feel!
I just got a total nostalgia flashback when you mentioned that dual bazel quest, first ever time i tried it I lost 2 times before I beat it barely. I did more files and I hardly ever got close, and you are right that kinda stuff feels awesome and rewarding
That tempered Kirin fight has been etched into my soul. World is my first real monster hunter experience and once I picked up the chargeblade, I never put it down. Up to that point I was the guy that spammed SAEDs for every hunt.
I was pretty good with the weapon but clearly not good enough cause that Kirin quest humbled the hell out of me. I had to watch a video to see how other people beat it and it forced me to learn to appreciate mantles other than the temporal and vitality, forced me to build specifically to counter thunder damage forced me to play the chargeblade differently and to appreciate the regular AEDs. Kirin was too fast, too small and too deadly to kill with SAED spam. If that quest wasn't that difficult, I'd have never had to even try anything other than what worked before. And I had more fun because of it. That fight was the one that made me make several builds to counter specific monsters and cover different elements
Pretty much my thoughts exactly. I have enjoyed my time playing rise but I don't have the incentive to keep playing. sure I could grind the narwa hunt for talismans but other than that I don't feel the need to go back to it. In base world you had weapon augments that you only got access to by 1. fully upgrading your weapon and 2 only got the materials for it off of the strongest monsters in the game (ie tempered hunts). Along with that you could augment your armor as well by the same method. All of which incentivized hunting harder monsters, doing investigations for better reward drops, all the while learning every aspect of your weapon(s). To this day I still fire up world when I have some time to burn because I still enjoy the challenge the game provides. I just don't get the same feeling from rise unfortunately.
My first monter hunter was Tri, on the nintendo WII. At the time, I thought it was the hardest game ever. Years later I playerd MH World, and thought that it was so easy. Recently I went back to monter hunter Tri, for nostalgia, and found out that it is extremely easy, even easier than world. So the statements "It's easier because you are better" and "your first monster hunter is your hardest one" are actually true. :/
I still remember fighting THAT unkanlos in 4U and after what must’ve been like 15 attempts I just barely survived by the skin of my teeth
0:34 theres probably still something more to come. What bothers me is people saying that stories 2 made rise be like this. This is not true if stories 2 didnt exist rise will still be like it is. Rise is still a 3 for me but you know diferent strokes for diferent folks
The majority of the issues that he has are going to be fixed by the G-rank expansion. These same arguments were all expressed after world stopped receiving updates.
But Mudkip, stories 2 made rise be like this 😈😡
@@legmeg496 no it did not
@@Duppy0906 are you 200% sure about that?
@@legmeg496leaked documents and the data theft dont lie
We just need more events like the crossovers that are usually present in these games and more content in general like G rank or I guess master rank now
Yo, I rarely go out of my way to comment on videos, but I absolutely gotta echo the sentiment I'm seeing in the comments about how you're saying what I've been feeling for months, if not years with Monster Hunter. I don't fully agree with 100% of everything in your video but thank you so much for saying it all the same. Sometimes I feel like a lunatic for thinking what I think and it's always vindicating to see someone with an almost identical perspective.
hi, does anyone know the song playing around 8-10min mark?
I think its the bherna village theme from monster hunter generations ultimate
You mentioning the crushingly difficult hunts in Monster Hunter reminded me of Day 1 Alatreon and Fatalis, as well as the absolute slaughterfest that ensued afterwards... even CantaPerMe, who is generally regarded as a god among feeble mortals such as you or I took 3 hours to kill Fatalis, and Alatreon probably carted more people in one day with his Escaton Judgement than any other monster has in their entire history, those were dark times but overcoming those challenges and standing in the Smithy with that juicy new armour and weapon... and knowing that you had to work tirelessly for 3 days or so (which is how long it took to beat Alatreon and Fatalis when the came out) to earn it is something truly special and something that I hope Rise can deliver in G/Master Rank!
And add that with the fact that you're the first one recorded in the canon, as someone who killed Alatreon and Fatalis. Future encounters gonna feel different compared to anyone that skipped Iceborne.
Good vid. I definitely agree with your take on the endgame content loop drought. As for difficulty, I am leaning towards the "G/Master rank will fix it" viewpoint. Mainly because I know it will be a very different experience and I have faith in Capcom making the next iteration more challenging after all this feedback from the community. Hopefully with a decent endgame loop as well.
Lol no they still keep infinite restocking potions in Sunbreak
what if its feel like a 3 but not quite and its definitely not a 2? where do we put it?
This is a great video! It addresses feelings that I couldn’t place while playing through Rise.
Thanks for this video you took a big weight off my chest, I honestly thought I was the only person that felt like this.
Thank you for the video. Although I haven't played MH Rise as I can't afford a switch yet, I've played most of the older monster hunter games from Monster Hunter Freedom up to MHW: Iceborne and can say that I completely agree with what you're saying regarding the difficulty of the newer games.
The Monster Hunter series is one of the few games out there that has GREAT replayability. In all of the titles of Monster Hunter I've played, I would always find myself making a new character for the thrill of the challenge of upgrading with different armor and weapon paths on the new run. Although this wasn't necessary since I can craft other weapons I haven't tried on my main account, there's a special feeling in trying out a different weapon and armor set on the same monster you've already fought.
It's not just the weapons, the monsters are usually unforgettable on your first encounter as they are very unique and leave quite an impression, especially Congalala. Even now I'm still upset that Carapaceons were not present in MHW. Now, when I finished MHW base game, only a few monsters were very memorable as the earlier monsters didn't really feel like a hunt to me as they were taken care of with ease. The Kushala Daora that I knew that had a counter mechanic when hit with poison would lose the wind aura and was easier to fight in melee, was substituted with dragon seal now. When dealing with Teo and Luna, you would usually break the crown to remove the heat aura, but now dragon seal deals with that too.
Because of this, it kinda made Immunizer useless as there was health augments and a general way to deal with elder dragons in base game (flash pods *cough*). Even the negative statuses of the armor from specific monsters felt like they were all removed altogether. As that really put me down, that wasn't enough reason to make me drop the game. Currently I'm at 2,500 hours of play time in MHW: Iceborne and I'm still playing this game. If they are to increase the complexity of monster attacks, they should balance it out as well with what's available to the hunters disposal. I fear the newer games will be easier because of this and I hope Capcom finds a way to fix or balance this before the time comes.
Thanks again for the video and you earned my sub . . .
Nah, it's just Rise. Yes, world was easy to MH veterans, but it was because it was made to be more newcomer-friendly, but despite that, it still had monsters that were actually hard or at least challenging when we first encountered them, such as anjanath, etc, and with iceborne, we got even more monsters that were hard or even harder than the older games. Rise has none of that.
Very logical and well put together video, interesting to see these critiques of Rise although I think I'll still check it out when it comes out on PC.
Im brand new to the serie, MHR being my first MH. Instantly fell in love with it!!!
But i kind of agree with the difficulty thing u mentionned! I will never forget my fight against Zinogre with a basic armor/weapon set i sweared not to upgrade for this brawl, was epic and the satisfaction so rewarding! In fact i had to learn for the first time how does charge blade works
Still love it though
My biggest problem with rise is the lack of story progress. It’s basically “go hunt 4~5 random monsters so you can level up your HR”. while in world/iceborne, introductions to new monsters and maps are normally tied to the story progress which makes them unique. Rise is like the older titles which I guess most players are fine with that. However I just cannot go back after the improvements we have in world/iceborne.
you know, i felt as if i was disappointed with rise after playing it. But then i really thought how MANY hours i spent playing the game. I played through the game over 7 times, only using two weapons each play through (ie switch axe and charge blade, then next play through light and heavy bowgun), each play through lasting over 30 HOURS. I enjoyed every second of the game. Me feeling it was lacking was only because i wrung the living shit out of this game. If people really appreciated this game, they would realize, if you’re spending over 100 hours in a game, it’s probably really good. Always look back to when the game felt fresh, and stick with that. keep that wonder that you felt.
Preach for realizing it for yourself rather than venting it in the game.
I think if you stay with just the honeymoon phase a lot of games would get a pass from people, note that everyone has different ways to playing to some a 100 hours is a lot but to others that barely is enough depending on the genre you are used to playing rpg/mmo etc.
Its completely fair to critizes the lack of incentive to keep players coming back to the game when potentially most have been able to get decent sets/build or completed all the quest. The lack of a solid endgame loop is really hurting Rise and is what has most people frustrated with the current state of the game, not out of hate for it but because they genuinely enjoy the game but have little reason to comeback to it because they have nothing left to do.
I agree that Rise is a good game. A great game. Hell, it might be my favourite MH game of all time if not for the endgame loop. I had a lot of fun with it. But I was always waiting for it to get actually difficult. Certainly there were a few monsters that weren't super easy. But I triple carted only like twice in the whole game before Valstrax.
I feel like Valstrax is what I really want more of. Having to restart the mission 3 times and then finally just having to collect spiritbirds so I could not get destroyed by it. I can see the endgame, it's right there. They gave me a taste of it. But just one bite. I want the rest of the meal.
I can't say I didn't get my money's worth. Because I did. I enjoyed the shit out of this game. But it's just missing that challenge. I want to feel like the best gear is just good enough to let a skilled hunter kill the strongest monsters after dying to it a few times. I don't want the best gear to trivialize the strongest monsters. With Rise, the best way I can describe the experience is that the journey is great but the destination is barren. The comment from Yian Garuga in the vid expresses this perfectly.
On top of that, I hate how they've implemented Apex monsters. Not because they aren't good or challenging but precisely because they are good and challenging but give you nothing special for your efforts. So why bother. The hardest monsters should be the most satisfying to kill, not the least.
The problem is that I shouldn't have to reflect to when I first began the game, I should still feel that excitement while continuing to play it. The problem with Rise is that it has no unique endgame content, such as investigations or event quests which change settings and rules for hunts. So far, if you clear every quest, all you can do is replay those quest, refighting the same monsters in the exact same environments. There's no variation once you clear the game, which makes it so that the gameplay feels repetative.
I've played pokemon XY for over 600 hours......its a shit game. Friends just make it way less shit.
My day 1 experience with Frostfang Barioth involved triple carting due to one shots. Am I missing something?
Anyone know what gear he has on at 1:40? I want it
The main thing i love about monster hunter is the game feel and the spacing combat instead of i-frame dependency. And that why rise just fails to captivate me the same way world does. Pulling of a TCS in world feels heavenly, doing it rise just doesn't feel rewarding or difficult. There is almost no screen-shake, almost no hit-slow, no cool effects to put you into the moment and even the camera work just doesn't emphasize the moment.
It's not even only that. The GS now is so generous with the spacing and evading hits. In rise you can just use the silkbind move to negate any knockdowns and just keep on going while pairing it up with the brimstone slash just to add insult to injury. In world you had to at least time your shoulder bash so you would't take critical damage and you had to position yourself good so you would't miss because you can't turn around after a bash un-like rise. And if you are in danger after a shoulder tackle you where doomed, but in rise you just use your other silk-bind to just i-frame out of there while being a carried a large distance to safety WHILE getting a attack buff. Damn i love rise but it just doesn't feel that good to play sometimes because it's so un-threatening/un-rewarding to play.
And just upping the difficulty isn't going to make this go away because it's baked into the foundation. Hell, my favourite monster is rathian! I don't even care that much about difficulty. She is so predictable and easy but just so much fun to play against in world because of the combat.
Silkbind moves are probably the biggest problem with Rise, they negate too many effects, they should be a high risk/high reward move instead giving you superarmor and negating roars.
I'm so glad there is no screen shake, I hate when games use it to show impact. Getting nauseous from playing video games isn't fun.
Definitely agree with you about the difficulty and lack of endgame but I'm pretty sure this is intentional by Capcom. Hear me out on this but based a few things, I do believe Capcom intended to have Rise come out and then have its audience migrate to Stories 2 when that launched.
Yes I know these are 2 completely separate experiences but the timing and marketing of everything fits. Rise and Stories 2 have always been mentioned in the same breath at Capcom events dating back to their announcements. Also Rise getting a lack of content right as Stories 2 launched suggests Capcom doesn't want their MH games to compete against each other.
I know players don't want to hear this but from a business perspective, this make a lot of sense and is a smart move to increase sales.
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Banger video. I feel exactly the same way but I couldn't articulate why until now.
In regards to difficulty i'd like to add in my experience. My friends and i have been playing MHW since release on PC, and then we continued with iceborne when it came out.
MHW & IB was our main game for almost 2 years.
We all uninstalled around Dec 2020 this was after months of fighting, learning and grinding Fatalis.
The whole fight was perfect it required all of the knowledge we'd accumulated while playing MHW and IB to defeat it.
It was a stress inducing 28-30 min fight that left us all wanting more after we finished it.
The fight was so good that it made all of the other monster fights in MHW & IB boring in comparison.
It was the perfect ending to our MHW & IB experience.
Difficult fights might be frustrating, but the process of overcoming them makes it special.
I agree with everything in the video until he said tempered Kirin wasn’t overly hard. That mans DESTROYED me.
Tempered kirin is what forcwd me to use other weapons and build to counter other monsters
@@desuordie4856 for sure, same here. I feel like especially with the defender set that usually around when people start to hit a wall
Man, that horse clapped me so hard, I stop using Melee weapon for a long while and kept using LBG/ HBG.
23:04 when seliana music started I just want to play ICEBORNE NOW !!!
I agree. I remember I had to plan multiple loadouts and even make specialised armor sets for the AT Elders in World but the end game in Rise right now were all cleared with just the same loadout and armor. The environment in World also seems more interactable to me than Rise, despite the higher focus with endemic life. I guess I liked the shooting of the slinger to drop a boulder and stuff like that. To me, it just doesn't have that same draw that World gave me.
I remember getting to the credits and saying "did i upgrade my armor"
i struggle to express how important it is (to me at least) for there to be some sort of tempered/EX/frenzied mechanic, _with special rewards_ , in a monster hunter game. it lets you go back and experience the fights of lower tiered monsters without just chain flinching them and not _letting_ them fight. i can tell you right now i would never have sunk the hours i currently have into world and iceborne if the game didn't let me fight a harder barroth, or a harder legiana. all of these cool monsters would have gone to waste because i would have hunted them for the story, and then moved on, never to truly experience their fights. the fact that they are harder, AND have unique rewards provides the reason for hunting them, outside of just for the hell of it.
Pre-4th gen games never had a Tempered/EX/Frenzy yet people still played them for a long time. Although the hunters weren't as powerful back then and hard event quests existed compared to Rise.
@@nuke2099 exactly. it doesn't have to be a special monster state it can just be a harder event quest. just something to go back and replay
Thank you you beautiful rational person you. Everything is so well explained with no little remarks salt or toxicity unlike a lot of other people talking about rise.
Yo, questione: is there no big boy challenge monsters like Tempered/Arch Tempered? I'd be fine with an easy story, but I'd like a fight to bring it to the next level postgame
Damn the mhw theme near the end kicked the nostalgic part of my heart even if I played it last week lol. I love mh and hope the next big one will be a real 3
It was a lot of complaining on the MHW witch I could not understand, because sometimes complaints would contradict each other. For example people would say the game is to easy and when the challenging monster would showed up (Rajang, Alatreon...) then the same people would complain it is to difficult and frustrating for them. MHW is grandiose game and now when we can compare it with only other "modern" Monster Hunter so far (MH Rise) we can learn to appreciate the game even more. MHW is great game but not the perfect one, ther is enough space for improvements and I will probably stick wit MHW all the way to the next MHW game.
To be honest, the only one BIG complain I had for MHW was the need to soften parts to deal more damage.
Not to mention it takes forever for some weapons to complete the soften animation.
@@Saicofake My biggest complaint is multiplayer, more specifically how connecting with other players work, it is clumsy as hell. You got to wait for animations to end, after the hunt team is separated... For the cooperative game like MH that must be way smoother. Destiny/Destiny 2 fire team is perfect solution, that is one more area MH should modernize.
@@theprofessional438 Good point, Agreed. I didnt feel the sluggishness from Multiplayer because I was constantly playing with my mates.
The complain of alatreon was due to the dps gate making you need to use a specific set to beat it and rajang having shit zones
To be fair, the Alatreon fight was controversial because it went against Monster Hunter design philosophy and felt extremely restrictive. But it was just one monster and it wasn't a fundamental flaw with the whole game
I agree with everything you said, even though I'm going to continue slamming my head against this brick wall, since I don't have World, or even access to it. The first and only other game I got was 4U, which is still great, if a bit janky in places. Alas, the shoulder buttons on my 3DS are broken, and it's pretty much impossible to play my chosen weapons that way. I also have A.D.D. and am prone to forming hyperfixations onto franchises I really love. So I couldn't quit it even if I tried.
I'm gonna continue helping out randos, because, chances are, if they're still playing this game, they're getting something out of it. And I get something out of helping them. That's my only reason, at this point.
Wish me luck in my endeavors to learn and master the Hunting Horn, now that my DPS weapons are all sorted!
Yeah, I remember having to adapt my overly defensive Lance playstyle to Odogaron's rapid movement in base MHW, and I ended up using moves I rarely used before.
Repede for the dog name ? Im curious where the name is taken from or what it actually means.
I've been playing this game 100% solo, I've finished literally every quest the game has so far and the only time I felt challenged was fighting "all mother" the first time and it only took me 1 attempt to learn everything about it before I started knocking her head off on the 2nd attempt and beyond. I've played every MH but World and never have I felt this unsatisfied before. I've almost dropped the game several times because nothing was challenging.
I really hope G rank does something about this
I recomend mhw, its really adicting and the maps a just way more alive where monsters just live in them rather than them just chilling in and empty area
Well, Suped up Allmother and the emergency apexes, should give you a challenge, especially if you felt challenged against regular Allmother. Again, this is high rank, and low rank. From what I remember, nothing from the older games were harder anyways.
@@gojigiante trust me un aint player hard untill youv hunted 2 plesioths in mh freedom Unite, bloody things are the worst, atleast in 3u you could chase them into the water
@@giannicolamatteo8155 2 plesioths ain’t as hard as Alatreon in world. Or suped up Allmother, and the only reason they can even be considered difficult is because of their broken hitboxes.
I watched this video long ago playing on Switch, and wanted to revisit it after playing again on PC. After beating Allmother in both platforms on two different weapons, I have to disagree with your statement, but I respect the opinion (minus the G2A part but you seem to have reflected on that).
I like you also started on World. In fact: World Iceborne where you start with a Clutch Claw, and me and my Dual Blades started my journey. No Guardian Armor, no Defender Weapons, beating each first encounter with a monster solo, even taking on the optional Rathian in the Wildspire intro. I had some previous Soulsborne experience and maybe it helped me out, but regarding difficulty: I didn't fail a quest (not counting Extreme Behemoth and...the Mosswines...for obvious reasons) until Tigrex all the way into Iceborne, getting my rainbow armor shader along the way. The cart here and there to new experiences, Nergi, Vaal, Diablos, Lunastra, Leshen, Bazel sure, but I did not fail a quest until that trip into the Rotten Vale. Like you I was actively seeking that need of a difficulty, and Tigrex did it, and beyond that I was truly hooked.
In Rise? I decided to take up the new Hunting Horn and give a more classic MH experience a try: a slow, methodical weapon with deliberate actions. My first failed quest? I got stun combo'd three times by a fucking Barroth. Mud Puppy kicked my shit in, and I realized that LR for Rise, while still easy, offered tricky things faster. Granted I to this day have never seen a failed Rampage, but plenty of fights in Rise gave me more trouble. Honestly, Magnamalo was a great early wall, and I think many were spoiled from that experience. I chose to SKIP the demo, and I think that added a lot of enjoyment to Rise. I wasn't familiar with the Wirebug system, the endemic life, etc.. And I didn't grind for 7+ hrs against super amped Magnamalo so when I encountered him organically I was completely new to his fight and enjoyed it, and he even made me fail twice. Granted like you, GenU beat me up earlier (Low Rank Steve beat me twice and Gore gave me a run for my money), but I think going back to a much more dated system of GenU is a big reason why compared to World and especially Rise which just flow better.
I do agree that games like Soulsbornes and MH should not have a difficulty slider, but I truly do believe that the statement of "your first Monster Hunter is your hardest one" has a lot of ground, even if not fully accurate. MH immersion to the slow, clunkiness, and the heaps and heaps of item management is that experience, NOT the number of times you fail to a flagship. Going into Rise and later GenU, I had so much knowledge of how MH works I cut a lot of the harder parts out of the way by simply knowing what certain things do.
I do agree overall that Rise's endgame is the easiest of the 3 entries I have played, but honestly looking back, I find the tempered elder dragons of base World easier than the Elders and Apexes of Rise (Minus Lunastra & Kirin with an inexperienced party). I'm waiting on Sunbreak to see what they supply, and based on the event quests they have introduced they know the demand people are wanting for difficulty.
As for the viewership thing: Rise also was on one, now two platforms. World was on 3 with much more global recognition on PS and Xbox than the Switch.
My gripe is that they really should put more armor sets and variations of quests. Apexes having none is a sin in of itself but it would be nice to have more quest with different monster combinations. Also world spoiled us with seasonal event quests and event quests that reward us with gear. Most of rise event rewards are either titles, stickers or poses which while nice doesn't hit the same way as new cosmetic options.
I'd like them to implement a option to not show hit effect of allies. I'm playing it with the hit effect on low option and it's still distracting in rooms with 4 hunters and their 4 dogos or cats.
40 years of playing games - if you don't have fun anymore; quit. :p
I felt like nitpicking but HH in rise in not at all a more classic experience, the weapon is neither more methodical or deliberate, and the dual blades were actually added in the series prior to hunting horn (international MH1/MHG for dual blades and MHDos for HH) the hunting horn in rise has super armor on every move and auto plays buffs which makes it not punishing and very easy to use… I certainly wouldn’t call that classic from my experience with older MH games like freedom unite.
If anyone out there wants a more classic MH experience Rise is simply not the game you’re looking for, no weapon will provide that
@@lightbrand_ you can switch back to the classic mode... it works exactly the same way - but combat is much more fluid and fast in rise than world. like 5k hours in world. :)
I'm new to your channel and haven't been paying attention to any of the news on rise and i grately appreciate this video. Addressing all the aspects of a game is nice and helpful, but addressing the problems that a game has is far more beneficial. It forces the viewer to decide if they can overlook the issues.
This was a bit of a winded way of saying thank you for making this video.
I feel like in world there were not that many story quests but you had to prepare more for them, like upgrade your armor etc. in rise im just doing key quests because i have to.
I agree with everything in this video because for me even as a first time monster hunter player it’s still too easy. I started playing about 2 weeks ago now and I’ve just got to high rank quests and yet while they are more challenging for sure it still doesn’t feel satisfying. I love this game, I’ve spent about 30 hours on it already but I’ve gotten a bit bored of it since it’s been too easy most of the time. Im the kind of person who does not like an impossibility difficult challenge, in fact I hate dealing with super hard unfair fights, yet I really wish Rise had these high difficulty challenges. Again I know there has been some fixes and updates and I’m only now in high rank but it’s just been very boring to feel as though I’m getting through all the quests wayyy too fast. I know the endgame has added a lot more very difficult challenges but completely regular quests has become a chore sometimes because I get through it in 5 minutes tops and there is no satisfaction, it rather feels I beat a monster until it died instead of learning it’s moves, playing with optimal methods, and feeling as though I really hunted an ancient Monster. Like you said I wish they added more challenges throughout the early game because I feel desperate to get to the big challenges. I’m hoping Sunbreak will bring these new great challenges and bring a lot more cool monsters as well. I love this game a lot I just wish there was more moments of “Wow I finally beat that hard monster and I feel so proud!“ rather than moments of “well great onto the next quest”
Edit: Magnamalo in the Demo was a perfectly difficult challenge which I wish made it into the full game in some way. I never beat it in the demo myself since I wasn’t very skilled in the game mechanics but gosh even though I never beat it the fun I had outweighed the fact I kept dying over and over because I felt like I was at least trying something that seemed impossible but I knew could be done eventually.
Man, this is exactly how I felt like towards this game, I spent 100 hours and it just felts wrong. I stoped playing because there wasn't anything else to do. My caracter is pretty optimised, my hunter knowledge and skills are good enough for me to hunt most monsters just by myself. But geez, compared to the 400 hours put into world/icerborne it's just wrong. In world/icerborne I always feel like I have something to do, some monster I still can't figure out. I mean the first time I solo hunted alatreon was just so cool and awesome it became one of my favorite video game moment. And now what can I say about rise ? The first time I solo hunted big purple guy I even forgot to eat, I just ran around the map to gain my +40 hp boost and yeeted myself into the fight. It was a colorful and fun fight, but a forgettable one. The only difficulty spike is hidden in the apex monsters, and in most lobby I join, people don't even want to fight them. Why would they ? You don't gain any new armor set or new weapon by doing this hard quest where you fight 3 apex monsters in a row. And I'm not even talking about bowguns, these things just breaks multiplayer. I stopped joining randoms to avoid having to do a hunt where the monster is spending half of the hunt on the ground. Wich is a shame because helping players was a thing I really liked to do in world/iceborne.
You are comparing mhw with its expansion already to rise. Compare base mhw to rise and you could understand that rise was better with frequent updates and monster counts. Most of the complains are from people who is mhw as their first series and doesn't know how mh series follow the same blueprint. Wait for the G-rank before you compare.
I'm comparing it to world and iceborne. I pretty much consider them as two different game. And base world still had uptades, and events too. Where you would get a special Halloween/winter/summer etc special armor. To my knowledge the only event armor you can get in rise right now are glasses and a jean right? I'll give rise a good point tho. Lots of monster and the weapons looks sick. They also made gunlance my favorite weapon. And it encouraged me to try valor gunlance in MHGU.
Don't get me wrong, I don't know how to say it but rise is not a bad game, or a bad Monster Hunter game. It's just sad to see how quickly you run out of things to do. I'll be learning gunlance in MHGU while waiting for G rank to drop.
Anyway please don't look too deeply into my comments. I'm usually really bad at putting thoughts into words
Thanks a lot you found the words i wasnt able to find!
now i can explain to my friends how i feel about MHR!
Does anybody know how to download mh iceborne for free please help me.
So a lot of people shat on World then when Rise came along they came clawing back realizing what they took for granted.
Base world was still a shitty experience especially the deco grind
@@jewmanji6266 Wait , some people thought that base world was bad ?
Doesn't make that much sense but okay why not
@@aegishdaego MH3 kept me coming back every day, I'd often play until the sun came up, all online. World wasn't like that. Online quests were more like Tinder dates. Conveniences take away from the social experiences that I had joining hubs back then.
I hoped World would be it's own thing and we'd still get the classic MH experience on Nintendo's platform but I guess not.
@@aegishdaego Base World without updates was bad.
Getting your subscriber numbers into single digits? Buddy I hit the subscribe button faster than safi'jivas nuke could wipe out an entire team.
I absolutely love the video and the manner in which you addressed things. Looking forward to more content from you.
I agree with all of your points for Rise especially on optimizing gear.
I made one jank IG set with the focus on part breaker and extra drops. It's no where near meta but it was more than enough to solo Valatrax and the All Mother on the first try. And I only carted once between the two cause I got up to early against Valstrax. I'm not even playing IG properly I don't know what the most effective combo is.
Why bother with building optimized sets or specific sets for monsters if this jank set it more than enough? Just so I could end this dull hunt slightly faster?
I've just started out playing after a roughly 2 year break from Monster Hunter as a whole, and my player character's constant shout-outs of, _"This one's gonna hurt!"_ were super confusing to me, when the resulting hit did the sort of damage that would elicit a squeaky toy sound effect in someone's hunt montage edit...
There is a reason I play in Japanese
I love this vid, I disagree with so much of what you said and that has really helped me further understand what I like about mh! This is what good criticism does, loved the content
Gen U is still my favorite Monster Hunter. There's so much to do, and plenty of challenges along with skill expression with the styles and arts
Same. It was my first one too. I’m surprised i stayed hooked considering i played greatsword without using charged attacks for 100 HOURS. I also only played hub not knowing about the scaling and did 40 minute hunts like an idiot but i still loved it
Gen U is also my favorit but i think 4 U is the best game and Dos the best Monster Hunter game (all in the Monster Hunter series)
@@somnion5816 hmm what makes dos more of an "monster hunter game" than Generations or 4U?
@@treaon511 maybe he might be referring to this video th-cam.com/video/wj4juF5ayEw/w-d-xo.html btw it's a long video
@@justthere845 no i was not. But its nice to see that im not the only one thinking this way :)
Pre-launch, I was hoping it would be a bridge between new world and old, keeping all the good in World, but bringing back the charm that was lost through simplification and bloat
¿ Acaso no se da cuenta que no van a agregar nada por que están esperando la expansión ? Cuando salga en pc.
Kinda hard to alienate people when you're saying what they're thinking :V
+Respect
i didnt play world, but i definitely felt the shockwaves from behemoth, fatalis and how people shared experiences from them.
The same shockwave that came from demo Valstrax and then demo magnamalo.
i dont think theres as many mhrise speedruns because theres just less wow factor and grandure to the feat for rise.
its the same reason why people who play pokemon still meme on whitney's miltank.
World/Iceborne were honestly more than a regular Monster Hunter game. I don't support live service practices but what they did with World and Iceborne was just truly unbelievable. as someone who played the game almost everyday since launch of World to the final update of Iceborne, it was a once in a lifetime video game experience. I wish they had the same energy with Rise, now you have to pay money for the cosmetics that you could earn via event quests.
Yeah the amount of content and support world had was amazing. It had the best online community and so many videos were done on it for years on youtube. The amount of memes created as well. All I do now is help low level hunters. World made this nishe franchise popular. Can't wait for MH6. Iceborn can be classed as it's own game from the amount of content it has
Well, Playstation community that spent more than $8 million for micro transactions is no joke. Kinda unbelievable they're spending that amounts of money on a game that's gone for a very long time.
@@arapaimagold8088 That's very depressing, people will keep buying mtx and Capcom will certainly push for more paywalled content in the future. Very worried about the future of MH.
Well it's business, it's not easy for Capcom to sell new pachinko or arcade machine nowadays. So of course Ryozo choose online micro transactions as new hole to gain new revenue. However I highly suggesting Nintendo MH community to play along with his plans. If he see another platforms can give more revenues. He will choose to babied that another platforms.
I don't know if it would help but the lack of subspecies definitely hurt my experience. They may not always be the best method of breathing new life into existing monsters but they made for a nice change of pace. It also helped add to variety with armor and weapons, where as right now there is definitive "best in slot" equipment and most of it doesn't even come from "endgame" content.
Your video is very well put together and I believe you make an outstanding argument. Granted I already felt much the same that you do but I'm glad I'm not alone in my thoughts.