Why Doctors Don’t Seek Help
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 3 มี.ค. 2022
- I just wrote my first ever Op Ed in the Psychiatric Times about my decision to open up about my mental health as a doctor.
It would mean the world to me if you read it or shared it with a friend:
www.psychiatrictimes.com/view...
This is a reality for many doctors in the US. Most states require docs to disclose if they’ve received treatment for a mental illness. The rules are different by state. Most states require docs to disclose this & they can refuse to give you a license bc you got mental health treatment.
My name is Dr Jake, I’m a doctor who treats mental illness, and I’ve sought mental health treatment. I have no fear of the repercussions.
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I was just a TEDx speaker in this topic and posted the talk here! ⬇️
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Wow this is insane! Going to check out the video!
Nice! I’m going to watch your Talk now
Nice vid
I hope many future doctors will watch your video. Thank you for talking about the taboo. (Even though I'm not working in the medical field)
Hey thanks I went back to this short and hopped in the comment section hoping to find more information on the subject. Thank you man.
When I was young, I was poor…
But after years of hard work, I am no longer young!
-Sheds tear-
Such hard work, with such a great reward.
@@MrSimplified you’ve missed the point of the comment
@@zzztriplezzz5264 dont think he did
Still poor
@@zzztriplezzz5264 they were joking smartass
Mental health therapy should be required of medical students. End the stigma.
YES, i'm a med student and when i tell you everyone in my faculty is a little trastorned i'm serious, there are a bunch of histrionic and narcissists on there
@bina nocht a fancy medical name for mental illnesses
Like, you're gonna see the guts of people. The everyday joe can't deal with that. And let's nit forget the atress they go through
But, but who is the therapist of these therapists, they were students once
Shouldn’t be required, but optional
So my doctor can positively tell me to do therapy while the entire time wanting to go themselves but can’t.
Doctor: I guide others to a treasure i cannot process
Unfortunately 😕
So many times they wanted to write their own names there to send themselves but they couldn’t. 😅
Yes!
That’s f upped. Doctors need help 2❤️
my mom was kicked out of her residency program after they found out she had been treated for depression. she ended up in a top psychiatry residency program but had to fight for herself through so much of her career
Respect for her!
can sum1 inform me for why as a aspiring MD its bad to hve some mental problems and get treated for it?
"You're a hero... and you need to leave."
*Pulls out a pistol and blows half of your body away*
I just watched a guy complete the game with 1 intelligence point. Like half an hour ago. Coincidences are frightening sometimes. Last time i played it was when i was a teen.
@@yourmeister I hope we don't have docs with 1 intelligence irl :"D
What is this quote from?
@@michaelphillips7207 It's from Fallout 1, you may not like the older games but give ut a try, you can't miss fallout new vegas though
"it is ok to ask" is always a trap in business of any kind.
It is OK to ask for help… we’re just gonna withhold any promotions job offers etc.
I told the job i had that i had a few comorbid conditions and had a disability and needed accommodations. 3 months later i was fired because the accommodations i needed werent met and i wasnt able to do my job. They saw it as "cant do the job? You told us you have something wrong and we still put you there? Hmm. Shame. K, bye!"
No not always. I work for a top 50 law firm and they were great help with me and I’ve had multiple raises since then.
I do understand this isn’t as common as it should be though, of course.
Its ok to ask when you want to go to the restroom but not in anything 😅
I found this out the hard way when my supervisor wanted to know why I wanted an extra hour off for lunch. He badgered me until I told him that I was having an evaluation done for mental health reasons. 2 days later I was fired for "performance" despite never having a performance review or any complaints. Oh and I worked for a medical insurance company.
Damn it’s almost like our healthcare system has some fundamental issues that go deeper than surface level perception
Damn that was some eloquent, real shit you just spit there. Way to verbalize the systemic issues holding us back as a nation and people.
wow what a deep and insightful take that everyone has said before yet you feel so smug and intelligent saying it
@@fulltimeslackerii8229 why you got a necro troll over something like this? Its just petty
So true, be as depressed and anxious as you like but don't tell anyone or get treatment. What's the suicide rate for medical professions again now?
"It's OK to ask for help..but we are going to punish if you do though"
Ahhh, the ilusion of freedom of choice.
"LIVE IN IGNORANCE AND PURCHASE YOUR HAPPINESS
WHEN BLOOD AND SWEAT IS THE REAL COST, THINKING CEASES THE TRUTH IS LOST"
You _never_ adopt a label such as ‘metal illness’ with regard to _any_ professional role.
The correct answer is simply “No.”
However, if you _must_ elaborate, it should be phrased as something more along the lines of,
“I mean, life has its _up’s & down’s_ ya know. So naturally.. there’ve been times I’ve felt _a little down & out,_ (as we all have) but nothing unordinary.”
As opposed to,
“I’ve _succumbed & crumbled under the weight of crippling depression,_ which I now mask some side effects of with drugs.. but would still like license to play ‘psudo savior of humanity.’
LoL 😂 _That_ road only leads to welfare.
& my source is *Personal Experience.*
I hate how everyone use that "ilusion of freedom" how they fucking feel line it even if it doesn't make sense.
@@Swaaaat1 I’m sorry.. I’m not sure you’re distinguishing ’the *_FEELING_* of being *’Depressed,’* from the *_STATE_* of being *’Oppressed’* ..quite properly.
..as they are _not_ synonymous conditions.
(At least not here in the U.S. anyway.) 🙂
It is still freedom of choice.
There's a big difference between "I take medication for depression" and "I have a serious condition that conflicts with my ability to do my job"
Exactly. I’m an NP so I don’t know how it is for doctors but for us we have to disclose if we have a mental health issue that keeps us from doing our job safely.
@@Havis_Princess that's not how depression works for most people. I've been depressed most of my life. I've never been suicidal. NOT medicating (long term) is the only thing that's caused a disruption in my employment. (In that I couldn't get up to go to work, not that I was suddenly incapable of providing a service) antidepressants don't work in a way that missing a pill effects anything. They take awhile to build up in your system so missing a pill does nothing. I know there are people who's conditions make them a hazard for certain work environments, but those kind of red flags can generally be sussed out with past medical and behavior history. IE by the time someone is a full blown physican with no supervision, said dangerous behavior would have been identified and dealt with accordingly. There are always going to be very few outliers just like with anything else, but depression is generally a slow slide, not a switch that turns on.. Symptoms don't just appear and are suddenly dangerous to others overnight. Catching stuff early is key. It might not be a perfectly perfect system, but dealing with this stuff on an individual basis seems to get the job done! Much love to you and all you do!
@@nikki1400 this is the most sound comment I’ve seen around here, thanks for the info. More people need to digest this and not come to harmful assumptions about having mental health problems while functioning as a member of society. A lot of people are experiencing some form of mental disorder but because of misinformation they’re too afraid to say anything to anyone, it’s sad
@@KhairaJihah thank you. I think the term "mental ilness" is most often associated with severe psychosis and thats what worries people. Many MANY people are living with mental illnesses that do not effect the lives of anyone else. It's silent suffering, it's bullshit, and it needs to stop. So I preach where I can!
I don't agree with that sentence at all. Taking a daily medication for anything is a big red flag, unless it is some sort of heredity, genetic disorder.
That’s a new anxiety I needed weighing on my conscience for my future career
well don't seek help for it! or lie
@@cb.1212 how to get sued for malpractice 101
This is why veterans are in such a poor mental state as well. Talking to a therapist or being put on anti-depressants is a risk that can ruin your opportunities in the future. We need to acknowledge that the majority of the population has mental health issues, encourage people to seek help and stop punishing them for it.
Yes, because I want a doctor with an UNTREATED mental health issue
Well well well, hello everyone - I've been watching the attention build on my comment and I realise it could be read as harsh. What I meant by it is that, as a rule, everybody with a mental health issue will function better (and more happily) with treatment, and they shouldn't be put off from seeking treatment by concerns over their career, and all this will do is make people hide their problems until they can't anymore. I worry it sounded like I said people with mental health issues can't be good doctors, and that's not what I meant at all!
lmao ikr
Dr. House
@@mitchtaam5993 loooolll you're not wrong
Well, it’s the same situation with pilots. The FAA will take all your licenses away if you seek mental health help, forcing pilots to not seek help.
exactly, don't they know that people will just hide it? I think that instead, if you've declared you had a mental health issue in the past, then they should maintain that you are actively in mental health care while you're working - sort of as a preventative measure (which for most may not be needed but can prove a lifeline if they ever do relapse into that state after years when a particularly bad trigger comes along). They can either subsidise it, as a gift for all those loans you're now paying back to be in their field, or they can do regular check-ins to make sure you're still actively in care (like therapy).
That’s crazy considering the fact that almost all medical students take anti-depressants/anxiety medication
*Edit: damm this is the most likes I've ever gotten. Thanks yall. Also forgot to mention another one: Stimulants such as Adderall I noticed being taken a lot (which is normally used to treat ADHD but also coincidentally many people in premed took it) The amounts of information that gets drilled into you in such a small amount of time with the number of exams can be really overwhelming but in my opinion the real problem is not being able to focus but the WHY. I remember feeling so numb inside as a student studying for hours and hours suppressing any feeling that felt would be a distraction. You lose yourself at a point. I was a pre-medical student as well as worked at a pharmacy for over 5 years.*
Most doctors I've met are shitty humans anyways and now I know why. They're unchecked narcissists.
@@Repetoire let’s not throw that word around, esp when doctor mike exists..
@@S_W_oh, the guy that threw a party on a yacht filled with people wearing no masks during the peak of the pandemic?
@@TheRageCommenter people like you are the reason for the suffering of millions of families during the pandemic.
@@TheRageCommenter I- what, why
Pilots and military personnel can’t receive help either bc of this
That's ridiculous
Literally saw a Reddit post recently from someone who said they were at the end of their tether with depression and anxiety, unable to cope, unable to focus, about to unalive themselves.... Asking for advice on HERBAL SUPPLEMENTS because they are a working commercial pilot and couldn't afford to lose their job by seeking treatment. I really hope that guy listened to the comments and got actual help anyway but wow. What a way to protect the people on your planes! "Your pilot probably wants to fly this whole plane right into a mountain, but if he tells us that we have to fire him so I guess we'll never know! Unless... Y'know.... Boom. Thanks for flying with us! 😀"
No way. If there’s anyone in this world who would need psychiatric help for the sake of everyone else it would be pilots, military people, and doctors.
My childhood Dr, Dr King took his own life through depression, Now I know why. He was a really good Dr and nice guy.
Surely, out of everyone, doctors are the people we should want to receive mental health treatment if they need it? 😅
Exactly. This got me confused.
It is actually completely illegal to do this because of the ADA.
You would also think doctors are the one group of people who shouldn't be working 36 hrs straight or working 70 plus hours a week... but here we are
Cops first then Drs
Yes. But theyre ALL crazy anyways.
“I have earned his respect.”
“But what’s the cost?”
“A medical license.”
More than a quarter million dollars for someones respect what a ripoff 😭
and 12 years of your life as well as $250,000
Yikes. That is messed up. No wonder some doctors are so terrible and always accuse their patients of psychological issues when really they are just projecting! Hope docs these days can get the help they need. No patient can benefit if docs aren’t taking care of themselves.
Ongoing clinical supervision including mental health and well-being should be a part of wholistic support for all health professionals. We are humans not robots.
I would argue seeking therapy should be a requirement for the medical field. My friend had to prove she had attended a certain number of hours of therapy to apply for her Masters in Psychology.
I would love to see doctors and cops receive therapy (I mean, they already give cops desensitizing training).
Agree.
Given the numbers of physicians and other health professionals suiciding, I absolutely agree 😞
Honestly there’s a lot of careers therapy should be required for: police, firefighters, all medical, military, therapists, social workers, teachers and child care workers. Honesty any job that puts you in a position of power over anyone should require therapy.
@@alyshay82597 100% agreed dang i wish every parent was required to go through at least one therapy session with someone for their own traumas so they at least have awareness of their own triggers enough that they could understand and aim to avoid having the same impact on their child especially within the first 5 years.
I would rather confide in a professional who’s experienced the same struggles as me and gotten treated for it. How am I supposed to ask for a referral for mental health treatment from someone who’s essentially banned from trying it out for themselves? Therapists have therapists who have therapists, and practicing medicine is insanely high pressure.
Exactly! I’m surprised doctors aren’t REQUIRED to go to regular therapy
Exactly
@@haydencomstock6121 ESPECIALLY medical staff who treat those who are at the end of their life.
Because doctors are slaves for making money for the insurance comapnies, not people
@@Zeverinsen exactly
I was denied insurance and rejected by advisors for PhD programs in psychology because of mental health issues. The stigma is so profound in higher education it's ridiculous.
Wait.....I thought that you had to go through therapy to become a psychiatrist??
My family doctor was in mental hospital at one point.. He is still a doctor, and a damn good one at that.
I’m actually a doctor in Korea, and i got my license around a yr ago. The stigma about mental health issues here (not only in Korea, but Asia in general) is wayyyy worse than it is in the US. I was severely depressed due to some issues in my uni and also not being able to keep up with studies, i got goddamn frustrated since i was always the best kid back in my HS yrs. My parents have never allowed me to go seek help and when i tried to do so on my own they threatened me to abandon me and that i need to get outta their house,, i didn’t have any financial sources to be independent so i had to give in, and that’s left me with 5-6 yrs of untreated depression that’s not gonna get any better,,
Hope you get better and escape :c
Hope you feel better.
Sorry to hear that, I hope your doing better now
Amen, same for Hispanic families too. Except they’ve found a way to keep you and still managed to be the sole reason why ones depression will never go away. It’s like they want you crazy to continue one the line of crazy, the insanity of certain Hispanics.
I so sorry you went through this and are still going through this!! 😔 I will pray for you, EunSoo, that you would be able to experience peace and joy in your life and escape the difficulties you are experiencing right now.
And thank you for being brave enough to share your story.
Being honest on this question really screwed me over during an interview. Fuck being honest am I right?
Good for you, that doesn't sound like a good workplace, find someone who can accept your situation and you'll feel more comfortable and don't have to lie for the rest of your career, further pushing the stress levels.
Thought they’re not allowed to ask you anything about your health problems during a job interview? Same thing as religious politic beliefs etc
@@Poppies__ yeah tbh I smell a lawsuit here
Me too. Got fired over this. Sucks to be me.
@@miarinnes3134 same here
I was watching this 80s-2000s show yesterday called Life in Trauma, I think. It was footage of doctors and nurses and various emergency rooms and the gory cases they have to deal with.
I saw some of the doctors deal with a near sliced open head one second, then eat lunch the next.
I myself could absolutely never, and I for one think therapy for nurses and doctors that do things like that should be completely free of charge. I would throw up in situations like that.huge respect to all of those men and women who save people’s lives whilst faced with such instances
We had this stigma in the military too, especially those of us with clearances. We were all fucked up but no one wanted to ask for help since it risked our career
I did ask for help and it totally destroyed my career so I get it
Tons of people go to therapy and are on medication for depression, anxiety, etc. If you can make it through med school, why is it an issue? 😳 I think this is illegal discrimination under the ADA.
While understandable and I'm totally for allowing others to seek help, I believe certain mental health disorders that are incredibly disruptive- like schizophrenia, or psychotic episodes- and medications that have a side effects that can affect the doctor's productivity- such as making the doctor drowsy, or worse having hand tremors, unfortunately should disqualify someone from getting their medical license. However, mild conditions like anxiety, depression, or even OCD or ADHD, shouldn't immediately disqualify them. Especially if they no longer struggle with these disorders. The medications they CURRENTLY take may have an effect though (some are pretty hard core). It should be a detailed sign off process where a psychiatrist signs off that their disorders and (if any) medications will not affect their ability to be a doctor.
It's just like being a pilot- you're not even allowed to take Zyrtec for allergies because it can make you drowsy. Like a pilot has to work hours on end- a doctor has to focus even harder for hours of surgery. If they have a disorder that impedes on that, it can be a matter of life or death which isn't taken lightly. It's not perfect, but it's necessary- just life.
Also the reason I list above are why it's not illegal.discrimination. however they should he required to have a process in place if the person wants to appeal the decision and get an exception if they believe their mental condition will not effect their ability to practice medicine..
@@tiffariff not all doctors do surgery though. Maybe the requirements should be the different?
@@tiffariff what about people that are misdiagnosed? I have a close friend who was misdiagnosed with schizophrenia. The doctor she was seeing jumped to a conclusion and if she hadn't been willing to go to another doctor and get a second opinion she would have been stuck taking medication for an illness she did not have. But if someone digs into her medical records it will always be there. So is it fair if she ever decided to join a field that decides if you've ever had a mental health issue you can't that she be black balled? Every single case and every single person should be a case by case review. Not a blanket policy. I personally would never have an issue going to a doctor who had been treated for a mental health issue today. And if one day I ever had a mental health issue, I honestly think seeing someone who had been there would make me feel better than just someone who had read about it in a book.
@@khtiderem7112 I think it can vary depending on school and country, but in med school you are treated the same regardless of specialty. Even in residency you may be subject to switch ups from what I hear. You train the same even as a psychiatrist and specialize further down the line. It's why any doctor is technically supposed to know what to do in an emergency for a person- given an ER doctor or EMT would be best for that situation but they don't ask "is there an ER doctor or EMT?" Most specialties also still require hour long shifts and procedures that still warrant steady hands and a good mind. A pediatrist still has to cut up the occasional foot just like an eye doctor has to do the occasional surgery. A psychiatrist still has to have the brain power to know what drug could make a person better- or worse, or hurt their health. For example, even something like a heart murmur or hypothyroidism, can make some mental health drugs really bad for you. If I was to tell the patient "hey this person has episodes that cause them to go out of reality (psychotic episodes- and at times similer to schizophrenia)." I don't think that they would feel comfortable with that doctor. I'm fairly certain in the irony of me using a psychiatrist as the exception to surgery that they would agree with me. lol. the medical system has a hard time as is keeping consistent systems. To make it more complex also wouldn't be a good idea. The standard also shouldn't be so high that they need to dive into "well this specialty should be fine." If they have a serious issue are on a hardcore medication, they just shouldn't practice. as blunt as that is
I'm pissed now. Would you rather have a doctor with on going mental health issues take care of you or one that's trying to get better? What the fuck is wrong with the US?
I would rather not have a doctor with mental illness at all. Not trying to be helped by a crazy person
@@nothanks6931 You can't define mentally ill people as crazy. Mental illnesses have a much wider range than you think. What they're doing is ultimately preventing people from getting the help they need while trying to please people like you which creates a bigger problem.
@@shell9403 I think he should be able to get the help he needs I would just rather not be his patient. I have witnessed even “intelligent” people like him with simply “depression” ( not even referring to the deep end like with schizophrenia ) and they have a very unconventional way of thinking. They don’t mean the harm they do personally but they still act very strange ( if they don’t act on it they still think really strange ). There are just some people that never “suffer” from mental illness. Like it doesn’t even cross their mind, they don’t think about it they’re just fine. I would rather be dealt with someone like that. He could go work in research.
@@nothanks6931 you don't get mental issues just by thinking about it. Like how you wouldn't catch the flu by thinking about it. They are caused by traumas, life events or genetics. What this system results in is doctors suffering but not getting the help they need. Which is worse because in some cases people go through "managable" issues but without help, their cases take a more serious form. This also causes doctors to hide their existing issues and increases your chance to come across someone who needs help.
@@shell9403 ??? I don’t know why you think I’m saying it’s contagious? Unless I’m not understanding what you’re saying. I’m saying that sometimes depression doesn’t show physically. But I’ve heard some depressed people talking about their “crazy” thoughts despite not seeming depressed. I just rather not be dealt by someone who even thinks with depression because their thoughts can be kinda crazy.
Me as a medical student undergo this suitation crying in the corner 😭😭😭
This is why I got a PhD. Can’t take my “Dr.” away.
I swear getting my PhD GAVE me mental illness.
@@ems7623 SAME
@@ems7623 😯
Lawyers have similar issues. You can go through all that schooling and be told you are not allowed to be licensed to practice law because you received therapy or any form of mental health treatment. Its so sad because this fear of losing everything for seeking help is likely why doctors and lawyers have some of the highest rates of substance abuse, alcoholism, depression and suicide.
Do you know if they check into these things? Like if I got hospitalized at age 21 but I'm 27 now.
@@urkittenmee i feel I cannot appropriately answer that question as it may be different in every jurisdiction. However, the licensing process for attorneys is similar as described in this video for doctors. Once you graduate, you first go through an application to get your license where you are required to disclose all past treatment for mental health issues and a variety of other things. What happens after that (i.e. refusal to admit until proof of being "cured" is presented, requirement that you attend state specific assistance counseling to evaluate you, etc.) will depend on the jurisdiction. Sometimes you will get lucky and a jurisdiction will not care at that moment, but most cases there are a lot of hoops to jump through.
But, do not let this scare you into not pursuing your dreams. Dreams are meant to be fought for no matter how hard they are to reach. The world is changing and we need amazing people like you and JakeGoodmanMD to be a part of that change.
@@urkittenmee Take the bar in Virginia. We scrapped our mental health disclosure requirement from the character and fitness portion of the bar application back in 2019. You can theoretically still be denied admission to the state bar if your mental health issue affects your ability to provide competent legal services and abide by our ethical standards--someone who lacks the capacity to know right from wrong or who compulsively lies is not fit to practice law under any circumstance. But the mere fact you were treated is not going to keep you out. All things being equal, we prefer that you seek help if you think you need it and if receiving it will enable you to provide better service for your clients.
Yeah they don’t want a doctor receiving therapy practicing, but they’re totally chill with a suicidal drunk doctor high on cocaine practicing, as long as they keep hush hush about it
@@urkittenmee even back in 1995 the personal application was soooo through.
I love a good horror but this is the scariest thing I've seen in years.
Right?!! I don't even want to think of the lives that have been turned upside down from this news.
Fr
You people are fragile
Medical school cause it 😂 😂 😂
Yeah. Many medical and law students avoid seeking help because they ask you about it in your interviews and they don’t want to be rejected
"We need to stop stigmatizing mental health issues" - Doctors that stigmatize medical health issues. -_-
Drs aren't the ones making laws
This actually happened with me working for the feds in the fire sector. Had to go contract crew if I wanted to still fight fire
That's also why soldiers don't get help despite literally being bombarded with the "It's ok to ask for help" speech (although the stigma is still just as strong). I've seen people who were absolutely on top of their game get passed for promotions/deployments/taskings because they were "unstable". And then people get shocked when someone hangs themselves after years of issues they were too scared to talk about.
A friend of mine was told she couldn't return to service because of the depression she developed from her time in service. Maybe she was still struggling, but I think the better answer would have been to provide more help than to tell her she couldn't go back.
I empathize with this comment. I've had two tours and shifted from engineer (12W) to UAS Operator (15W). I go through flight physical with two other soldiers. Marines who both wear multiple bracelets of their fallen comrades. No combat patch and war stories from hell. They pass physical, no problem. But I get held up at psych because I have a been through behavioral health. I mean, I have a CAB and the army through me into BH. It's crazy how much soldiers withhold after everything we go through.
Having to deal with stigma isn’t the same as losing a career though. Those people you mentioned had the potential to cause a lot of error which would negatively impact other people’s lives. If the disorder is well managed, there isn’t any reason to disclose it to work, but if not it can end up hurting them and others in the long run. It’s sad that some of those people would sacrifice their mental well being for work, but it is understandable considering how difficult life is for most people financially.
If you are a diagnosed with anything under the autism spectrum you are ineligible from the moment you are diagnosed, even if you have very high functioning autism with significantly higher than average intelligence, and there isn't any reason other than a 70 year old "oh no autism bad".
@@storydates it's crazy how the govt spent so much money on military for machinery but not for the trearment for the soldiers
Student physician here. This is actually a notorious fact we all collectively hide under the rug. Physician rehab is an absolute nightmare and is not worth it in any way. Also, despite being illegal to ask this question as a requirement for licensure, many states' licensing boards still ask. Just another way doctors are abused in America
Everyone in america is abused by health care with those insane prices
This is an extremely misleading post. You can still become a doctor even if you had past mental health issues. You just have to prove that it will not affect your ability to practice medicine properly. Saying you had depression for the first year of med school but you received treatment and you no longer have those issues is absolutely perfectly acceptable. Saying you have extreme anger issues and bipolar disorder that makes you physically harm people randomly in a fit of anger is not allowed. He’s just spreading BS around the internet making it seem like if you ever got mental health issues you can never become a doctor. Btw this is dependent on which state you’re in, California does ask this question.
@@mannymm7887 I'm kinda wondering... do hospitals and similar medical organizations here provide counseling for doctors?
I'm asking you because from what you said it sounds like you may be involved in the industry.
I'm originally from Australia and I know hospitals there are required to provide counseling for doctors and other staff and I'm fairly sure doctors have a required number of hours of counseling per year they have to prove in order to keep practicing.
@@mannymm7887 how do you prove it though?
If I *hypothetically* have ADD would that keep me from being a dentist? What about other medical fields?
Omg. I didn’t know that. How is this not known. Totally F-ing BS.
with the things doctors have to experience they deserve to seek mental health options out for them without the loss of a better position… 😢
Honestly mental health is super important and I'll feel more safe with a doctor who has it treated and it makes me feel more valid. We often see doctors like they never get sick or have problems but at the end of the day they are just as normal as we are
Good for you, but why should I have my options eliminated because of your high standards?
Medical licensing doesn't do any good. Just gatekeeps alternatives.
There's private approval that is just as trustworthy as public licensing, accept they actually have choice, competitors, & an incentive to improve. They even sign contractual agreements, assuring transparency & trustworthy methods unorder to attract more clients. Buissnesses also naturally compete & call eachother out on malpractices, even provide transparency of their own. They & private approvers build their own history & trustworthiness, that is just as good as the state, becsuse they have every incentive to. These helpful practices are good for business, & in the process help create a better society, that then allows said businessmen to acquire what they demand.
It's mutually beneficial.
For bad actors, I'm fine with *accountability,* just not long, expensive, unnecessary gatekeeping.
The medical association monopoly is corrupt & has the strongest most complicated licensing requirements *in the world!* By a long shot.
To bring down the cost of care & to allow people like this man to follow their passion of helping others, we should abolish medical licensing.
@@austinbyrd4164 I think they actually agreed with you by saying "a treated mental illness", might indicate that they mean rather a treated mental illness than an untreated one
@@austinbyrd4164 hahaha. Oh shit your serious.
Yeah, private business America has a really good track record of self policing and not one of taking shortcuts
@@austinbyrd4164 no and you really need a therapist
They're not private. Healthcare is the most regulated & semi nationalized industry in america, next only to the financial industry lol. Not to mention insurance & community rating requirements. Both, coincidentally, the worst performing. It's drastically policed, & I named examples. The medical association monopoly gatekeeps the entire field, with the highest most complicated licensing requirements in the world. Address my argument you pompous economically illiterate dumb@ss. It's corporatist.
In my experience those who actually go out and seek help tend to be so much better adjusted than the poor people who struggle alone because they are scared of judgement. And oh man have I met a lot of people who say they don't need therapy who could DEFINITELY benefit from some therapy.
It's always the ones who adamantly insist that they don't need therapy that are the ones who need it most!
Societal backlash is too great of a strain such that therapy can be a lot more harmful than helpful since social standing is also a big part of the psyche.
@@contenau22 this is sad to read :( I realise this will differ a lot depending on where in the world you live, but if someone who is struggling is reading this I'd still usually suggest they seek help in private. Nobody needs to know because it isn't any of their business. Personally I'm open AF about having had therapy and couldn't give less of a shit if someone looked down on me for it. I used to think it was normal to be casually suicidal and depressed. Since I competed my cognitive behaviour therapy I'm absolute amazed to say I've been completely CURED and have not been depressed for 2 years. People who disapprove aren't worth dying for (or just sacrificing your mental health for). Though in my experience when the topic has come up and I've openly said I've had therapy in the past, you get a lot of people you wouldn't expect open up about it too. It's incredibly common to get therapy
@@dianeaishamonday9125 true, to stubborn and just want to cling to this version of their ego, afraid of letting go and looking around more
Therapy has many barriers.
1. It’s though to even find therapists that are accepting patients. And it could take several sessions with many different therapist to find one that is well suited to your needs.
2. Unless you have coverage from work or some type of insurance plan that covers psychotherapy, it’s unaffordable. Therapy ranges from $200 - $600 / hour. Even if you have insurance it’s likely capped. You’ll be lucky if your insurance covers even 5 sessions per year.
It seems to me that the people that are most vulnerable or suffering the most from their psychological ailment are the least likely to receive any sort of help until they reach the point of suicide or self harm or drug addiction. There are large segments of society such as the homeless and the incarcerated that desperately need therapy but have little to no access.
The therapy industry is price gouging. The entire industry is supported and dependent on the insurance industry. The vast majority of these therapists have no right to change the absurd prices that they do but they can get away with it because the individual is not paying in most cases.
This is why I'm not depressed, never smoked or did drugs, and drink 1 or 2 beers a week. * cough cough *
bruh what
What you have to say to docs brah
You lost:your career.
You gained:respect.
Therapist here, I can say this isn't always the case and doctors should still seek help. My coworker is treating an MD right now. Older, had a breakdown, on meds, still practicing.
Depends what country or state of the US you live in really
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Yeah you completley missed the point. This is for new docs not established and unfirable ones.
Well he’s already a doctor and has his medical license. If it was before he most likely wouldn’t be
Reread that last part. That’s the difference.
I read the article and it’s so beautifully written. When I read the line, “I am no superhero-I am a doctor. I am a human being, and I have struggled with mental health issues.” it genuinely gave me chills. This is so incredible to see. As a non-physician, I honestly wasn’t even aware of the prevalence of this issue, which probably feeds the problem because in that case they’re fighting a silent battle. Bringing awareness about this to non-physicians will absolutely help shift the culture as a support system for our doctors in addition to doctors being more comfortable opening up!
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Lmaooo many doctors have skewed practices and lack basic communication skills to effectively treat patients. Don’t nobody give af about these niggas mental health. They became health professionals for the bag not out of the goodness of their hearts. They’ll be alright.
@@SD-kw2bn Question, why do you think that they have problems? Maybe it’s from the untreated issues.
a lot of problems come from mental health. If they have treatment then they could be better doctors and you get better treatment.
Sorry if I was a bit rude I just don’t know how else to phrase it.
@@SD-kw2bn Damn, you even made the clowns laugh 🤡
@@lynxgamerlife There’s not enough Data to support that conclusion unfortunately. An if we look at the Data that exists Most of the Doctors that have helped me are from the boomer generation in which rates of mental health diagnosis were significantly lower. Obviously we can’t make the data tell the story we want because of numerous factors. But my point is there’s no way to prove the statement of “They would provided better service if they were treated for mental health issues.”
Thank you for your advocacy, it is so important!
Thank you for the kind words!!
That could explain the number of doctors who prioritise feelings over reality….
Going into social work like “we’re sorry, we can’t hire you because you’ve previously been a client of a shelter”. I’d like to see them afford a place to live while trying to pay off student loans.
Are kidding me? Thats bullshit! Why does it matter? If anything wont that make u at least a little more experienced? U lived it. Im sorry this happened to u. 😔
So they only think of richer people as capable of dealing with problems often faced by poorer people?
My goodness!! I am so sorry!!! That's unacceptable.
That’s awful and super stupid. You’d think people who know what it’s like to be in their clients shoes and truly empathise would be the ideal group to help those that were in their position but no classism gets in the way in the one area you would think classism wouldn’t be a thing.
@@melissamartinez8819 experience can sometimes be bad though. Not saying this is right, but too much experience can cloud peoples judgment at times, especially if there’s a trauma response. A good social worker can’t make decisions based on their emotions, or even their past experiences. They have to stay focused on the client’s rights/interests, and the ethics at hand. Personal experience can be helpful, but it can also be the biggest barrier to helping someone. I’m a social worker, and I still struggle to overcome personal bias based on my lived experiences.
You go to therapy: “You so brave”
Also: “You so crazy, uuhh”
mental health is necessary for this generation. Too much competition and a lot of hardwork that leads to stress and depression. We need to cultivate mental health from early childhood.
This explains why I see a lot of doctors smoking outside the hospital during break.
This is my first time hearing of this. It is so unfair that doctors are not allowed to have mental illnesses or get treatment for them. You’re human beings too, you deserve happiness just as much as the rest of us.
Now I understand why doctors often keep quiet about their mental health and wear a smile everyday even if they feel terrible inside. Truly saddening ☹️
They are allowed it would be actually hella illegal to refuse it under the disability act
@@xlifexwithxlithiumx Discrimination still exists, trust me…….
This is an extremely misleading post. You can still become a doctor even if you had past mental health issues. You just have to prove that it will not affect your ability to practice medicine properly. Saying you had depression for the first year of med school but you received treatment and you no longer have those issues is absolutely perfectly acceptable. Saying you have extreme anger issues and bipolar disorder that makes you physically harm people randomly in a fit of anger is not allowed. He’s just spreading BS around the internet making it seem like if you ever got mental health issues you can never become a doctor. Btw this is dependent on which state you’re in, California does ask this question.
@@mannymm7887 thank you so much for your comment. I almost had a heart attack when I I watched this. (I'm working on my Kineseology degree before becoming a physical therapist)
@@mannymm7887 It’s about calculated risk
If you’re in medical school and think you might need help, but are afraid there’s a CHANCE it will f*** you over if you do so…….. don’t be shocked whatsoever when some people choose not to
Also there’s the shame/stigma factor, that’s not to be taken lightly at all
There are lots of ‘reasons’ to not try and get help and you might choose to dismiss them, but they’re very real for many people
"And sacrificing your twenties and thirtys"
*me all of a sudden just shook that it took so long*
Me too
It doesn't take your full thirties (unless you go to college super late) but it does take all your twenties and a lot of your thirties
This is very much an American thing. In UK and Australia, our med school is only 5 years and an undergrad program so we have our MDs by 22/23. Plus, the med school I go to has really awesome faculty who throw a lot of social events for us so we don’t miss out on being young
@@miaa7968 ohhh, that sounds cool!
@@alsokaitlin depends on your specialties but even still you are typically out by 32-35, but regardless with advances always learning!
Dang, i'm sorry for those who were held under the stigma. When I was in PA school at the satellite campus, with a few other health care programs, there was a mental health counselor on campus, the we'd get emails every week to remind us they have free walk-in counseling.
The accuracy it's to bow for🙇♀️🙇♀️🙇♀️
Lol i was hoping in the beginning he said “congratulations doctor, you played yourself”
Hahahahah
I delayed seeking treatment for YEARS because of this. I finally realized I didn't want to be a part of a field that was so hypocritical and got treatment.
This is an extremely misleading post. You can still become a doctor even if you had past mental health issues. You just have to prove that it will not affect your ability to practice medicine properly. Saying you had depression for the first year of med school but you received treatment and you no longer have those issues is absolutely perfectly acceptable. Saying you have extreme anger issues and bipolar disorder that makes you physically harm people randomly in a fit of anger is not allowed. He’s just spreading BS around the internet making it seem like if you ever got mental health issues you can never become a doctor. Btw this is dependent on which state you’re in, California does ask this question.
@@mannymm7887 don't copy paste this reply to every comment you see without even understanding what the original commenter said.
Crazy people shouldn't be doctors.
@@Tomas-ml9nv mental illness usually doesn't mean "crazy". Do some research, you sound very ignorant.
@@Tomas-ml9nv not all people who has/have mental illness are insane if in the future you happened to be depressed would you call yourself an insane person because of depression you ignorant fool.
the implications are terrifying
To add some positivity in these comments- the other day I had to get my blood drawn and the dr and phlebotomist were SO sweet to me. I’m 21 and terrified of draws. Unfortunately I couldn’t finish bc it was too painful and I was panicking, but before during and after my panic they were incredibly kind and one of them gave me a hug. I told her how I’m going residential soon and nervous, and she told me about how she’s been inpatient three times and generally made me feel better about it.
While of course I absolutely have seen drs that make me feel nervous/ not taken seriously/ etc, I’ve also had many wonderful people who’ve helped make it easier for me
It is absolutely crazy that this is reality. Imagine people saying "you cant be a doctor because you broke your leg once". Unimaginable.
Breaking your leg isn't the same as a mental health issue....... They're not even remotely comparable.
A mental health issue such as bipolar, ptsd, depression etc. can affect the doctors work which may cost someone their life. A phobia can cause them to not be able to work efficiently, etc. Mental health disorders if not treated properly are dangerous
It's similar to how you cannot be a pilot if you're blind or deaf.
@@be_witxhed True. Mental health issues can absolutely be detrimental to the health and safety of patients if they’re not treated. That’s why people who want to be doctors should be able to seek treatment.
@@ultimatedude5686 completely agree with that
@@be_witxhed But what if the mental illness is cured? You think they shouldn't be allowed to work? Imagine paying so much money to medical school and being in debt and still studying for years. They take a toll on your health. And then you're denied being a doctor and getting paid fairly. That's just gonna lead to suicides at that time. You said that if mental health issues are not treated, it's dangerous. And so the person is going to therapy. To get better
@@user-og3hr4tc5o read the top of your comment
Jesus. As an Aussie med student I can’t imagine ANY of this. Like the basics of our course being short (have our MD by 22/23 so no ‘sacrificing’ our youth), government-subsidised so it’s cheap and we don’t have to pay upfront, and faculty who are super supportive and try to make sure we have good work-life balance (that might just be my uni tho), this is wild to me. A lot my cohort have mental health issues which we openly speak about, and we have subcommittees dedicated to supporting the mental health of healthcare workers. There’s an emphasis on still having a life outside of med school here.
My heart breaks for my American colleagues. I truly don’t understand why the American system doesn’t understand the best doctors will be the healthy and supported ones.
all they care about is profit on a dangerous systemic level. im honestly considering moving to australia now, that sounds like heaven
Sheeesh so much quicker to MD in aussieland… we have to get an undergraduate bachelors degree first before even starting medical scjool
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The American system is still ran by puritanical minds that came over in the days of the Mayflower. It's disgusting.
Yeah, it's a form of population control in America. All the laws are designed to look like they care about people whilst actually allowing for periodic early deaths. Like the gun laws & the focus on punishing rather than preventing crime.
Never seeing a licensed physician ever again.
"it's ok to ask..." Is a trap coming from anyone.
That is actually illegal under the “Americans with Disabilities Act”, I do believe
@@paracelsus9282 that should be a thing. Revoking to licenses and stuff from higher education because you keep your mental health in check and possibly take the necessary medications to do so should be illegal across the board wtf
You’d think so but it’s the same way with Military. I wasn’t able to join the Air Force because I had seen a therapist in the last 2 years (which I believe everyone should)
Not really. And you can see why it wouldn't.
Imagine if there were no criteria for giving somebody a license to do something. No matter what that is, it's gonna have some criteria. The point of giving licenses, is to see if somebody is fit and knowledgeable to do something.
@@megalexantros okay but that's not the issue here he did go make sure that he would be able to handle it he would have got the therapy and the medication he needed.
@@sel_gaming8916 You didn’t lie? Almost everyone lies to MEPS, it’s fucked up but that’s what every recruiter tells you
Well, damn. I didn't know this was a thing but that is so hypocritical and like the ultimate doctor catch 22.
There’s an appeals process that basically you have to have pass a psyc eval.
This is an extremely misleading post. You can still become a doctor even if you had past mental health issues. You just have to prove that it will not affect your ability to practice medicine properly. Saying you had depression for the first year of med school but you received treatment and you no longer have those issues is absolutely perfectly acceptable. Saying you have extreme anger issues and bipolar disorder that makes you physically harm people randomly in a fit of anger is not allowed. He’s just spreading BS around the internet making it seem like if you ever got mental health issues you can never become a doctor. Btw this is dependent on which state you’re in, California does ask this question.
@@mannymm7887 I mean you're also spreading BS
Anger issues does not mean the person can't be professional, I know lots of asshats with anger issues who are very very professional and effective
2nd that's not bipolar, bipolar depression (formerly known as manic depression) is a mood disorder categorized by its periods of mania (a state of over the top energy, non-existant fatigue, but slightly riskier behavior) or hypomania(like mania but less) and depression (a state of mind categorized by feelings of sadness loss of motivation, apathy, occasionally suicidality, and heightened anxiety) rapid cycling is 4 times a year so that tells you how rare it is for someone to be constantly switching each day (very) medication helps a lot for those individuals, though some are reluctant to take them due to the productivity their mania gives them (another point for giving them the pass)
You might have been thinking of borderline personality disorder which is a personality disorder (a disorder category that deals with the underlying traits of a person's beliefs, emotions, & behavior) which is cagorized by lack of impulse control, once again violence even with anger issues is extremely uncommon you likely passed someone with either of these conditions on the street,
Unless you're talking about fringe outliers, but that doesn't make much sense, since they're already on a case by case basis and don't accurately represent the majority, using them would be quite disengenuois and counterintuitive to an argument
(long story short mental disorders more often affect the patent more than the people they interact with)
(and don't you go mentioning psychopaths or ASPD people once again violence is rare and once again they're already on a case by case due to their outlier nature)
Truth.. im a doctor and having MDD since med students.. right now im just coping hard, fighting suicidal urges everyday without treatments 😢
I think everyone should be required to see a therapist.. its so helpful
“I practice what i preach.”
- idk but not a doctor
This comments underrated
Medicine is the most heartrending and wrenching field there is, people literally live or die due to your decisions. Therapy should be mandatory for traumatic occupations, law enforcement and fire fighting alike. Thank you for doing what's right for you!
Interesting topic. it reminds me of the back of the hospital and up the stairs to the one floor mental health care. I did receive positive therapy. This was in the 1980s. At that time, you could be turned down for jobs and, most of all, insurance. I hoped that the health records would not show my mental health treatment.
I still have a hesitancy with treatment from the thoughts going to those years.
This right here really highlights everything wrong with how mental health is dealt with in this country.
I started seeking treatment for depression in undergrad. Soon after, I quit the medical profession. It's fine. Enjoy the shortage of medical professionals.
Basicaly they just encouraging to never see a psycologist for their personal problems 😂
…And the shortage of doctors who have the experience to actually empathize with their depressed patients!
My step son got his doctor papers and became a psychologist instead, loads of doctor friends are seeing him, as a friend of cause!!!!
HELL YEAH!!!
Without diagnosis, we are perfectly healthy mentally and physically
lmao no
@@truedarklander its sarcastic
@@truedarklander wooosh
@@l692 intent is not clear through text, go back to reddit and eat some soy meat
@@Stella.22g use common sense
They say to get help and that people have accepted it’s something everyone deals with at one time or another but there is examples like this one all over.
I'd rather have a doctor who is mentally and emotionally aware of their own shortcomings and faults, is willing to admit when wrong and when they need help. Because THAT is a doctor I can trust.
YES! MORE OF THIS!!
I'm tired of watching the medical system fail their providers. I'm tired of colleagues committing suicide. It's time the stigma stops for EVERYONE!!
This happened to a family member of mine, his colleague killed himself and they were doctors who worked and hung out daily. They got so good at faking it and hiding it..one day they just can't.
Good for you for letting people know about this major flaw in the medical system. Until we get robots capable of doing the job well, guys like you are the best alternative.
Unless we make robots that can feel pain we will never be able to have robots that can treat a human
To be a doctor you need empathy and you can't code an AI to have it.
Medical staff are not pill vendig machines.
Shit, if a robot can scan me, let me know what's going on and print out solutions I'll take that over some overwhelmed dismissive too tired for empathy Dr any day
It’s not true though. This is technically illegal under the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA)
Same thing for nurses!!! I had PTSD in the Army and after I graduated nursing school they tried to deny me getting my license. I had to pay about $4000 and go through months of testing so ensure I was mentally “fit” AFTER I finished school.
My doctor ask me this question when I was hospitalized. A bit wonder why he ask me that. Now I know why. I got it.
It never crossed my mind the fact that this could even be a thing
I mean... Why would it be a thing... Right? Cause that would be silly!! *Slightly insane laughter*
@@fraxurecomics6507 😂😂
It's actually like that in a lot more industries than you think. Getting help with your mental health can be highly detrimental if you aren't cateful.
@@j.adamwegs2882 sounds like a huge HIPAA violation, which is not taken lightly by the government
@@j.adamwegs2882 Firing someone over getting mental health help should be grounds for litigation. No one should be allowed to fire someone over that.
And here I thought there couldn’t be any more glaring reasons why the amount of people going into medicine is decreasing
It's not? Entrance to medical school gets more and more competitive every year
@@connordemo8043 yeah he's just plain wrong
If you become a psychologist you have to see your own personal psychologist so you can handle what you go through with your patients. I’m not sure about psychiatrists. It’s baffling to me that is is different with medical doctors, they still have to deal with people in the psychiatric part of the hospital. I genuinely don’t get it.
@@connordemo8043 the amount of people finishing medical school is decreasing…
I feel mental studies and combat skills should be a compulsory subject in all skools worldwide so we can learn to cope with issues and how to defend ourselves so no one can be judged in a wrong manner and children can grow up stronger
THANK YOU FOR TEACHING EVERYONE NOT TO GET MENTAL HEALTH TREATMENT
I felt this when trying to enlist in the military. You can’t enlist with mental illness but once your in your able to seek treatment for mental illness. It was ridiculous. I knew a lot of people in the enlisting process with mental illness but they all lied and said they were fine so they could have a shot at getting in.
That is Ridiculous I'm so sorry
I had a similar concern when I was attempting to become a CHP. I decided to work at a state hospital as a nurse instead.
@@perfectlyimperfect9129 Why?
Same thing with lawyers. After all of the school and passing the bar exam, you can be denied character and fitness if you disclose any mental health issues even though you are sometimes dealing with very serious, traumatic events in others lives.
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by the way the exception for this in the US is if you have a child and get counseling for postpartum, it's included in maternity leave. as if doctors in residency or still in school have time to make a baby and carry it to term. ha
Nurses go through the same thing,every two years. It sucks.
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Crying and sobbing on the floor
My ex went into therapy a couple months before medical school, and has check-ins every month. It helps him a lot, and I'm hoping many more people can accept that getting treatment is a sign of strength!
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That's not being treated for mental health issues. Also, this doesn't apply to all Drs.
This is too common across all jobs. With such a high percentage of people who have or will experience a mental illness, the judgement and rejection needs to stop.
This is the type of shit that allowed my mom to not get me behavioral health help when I was a child.
Wouldn’t it be better to have doctors who’ve had to go to therapy so they know what their patients are going through or at least be able to help way more than someone who hasn’t been to therapy?
I agree with you. Don’t know why it has to be this way honestly. When more people have been on antidepressants in our world then ever before, you’d think that people would realise doctors are people too, and hell, they have to deal with awful stuff everyday. There is no way in hell no one wouldn’t get depressed after worker as a doctor
There is no room for empathy in the workplace.
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Having the responsability of life and death needs health stability ! I agreee
That's a genius way to make a common issue better known to the general public. Kudos 👍👍
Yeah… imagine going through the most expensive, stressful, and academically rigorous program there is and expect students not to have occasional mental breakdowns/mental health issues. I think Doctors are a special type of human species considering all they can handle. But ffs, they’re still human before anything else.
Well law school too
It's like asking: "Have you ever gotten treated for a physical illness or injury?"
"Yes, well then sorry you can't be a doctor."
Not saying that everyone has a mental illness but a lot of people do. And getting it checked out probably could help your physical health as well.
Thanks for the videos!
This might be why so many Drs say go for a walk and lose weight in order to treat my mental health issues. Maybe because they also learned the stigma. My issues stem from a mixture of genetics, abuse, and not getting help when I was young. Sure, it helps to be as healthy as possible, but mental illness is a real illness that sometimes we need medication and therapy for. I've needed therapy since I was a teenager, but insurance never covers it. Now I have a 6 year old and I'm trying hard not to mess her up. Thanks a lot twisted medical system... But thank you for these posts. ❤