I would like to say a big thank you to Charlie. I too made the mistake of ordering a new syphon unit before removing the old one. However I was lucky coming across your video and order another unit from Bathroom Spare Parts and use the handle from the old unit. As I had purchased the unit from Amazon ,and had not removed it from the packing, I have been able to return it for a refund. Thank you again Charlie.
I like these videos as Charlie is very honest about things when he makes mistakes. Some TH-camrs hide steps in the process and this can be very deceptive. I always find useful info in every one of his videos so far.
This was a fantastic help. Was able to source the right part, adjust it and complete the simple installation / adjustments exactly as shown. Thank you Charlie. Your videos are a source of useful and well explained information. I find myself referring to them quite often!
Thank you Charlie. Iv spent the morning researching toilet valves because I'm in EXACTLY the same situation as this. The old style ball float valves seem to be a thing of the past, and I don't have space for the new type because of the large siphon valve. Alas, I will be changing both valves to new styles just like you have. And you have saved me a lot of research time 👍
Hi Charlie, the reason I like your channel is you show where things go wrong for you and don't hide your faults like other channels. I too have often had to order 2 or 3 of a part before I have gotten the right one! Fair dues and keep up the work. Hi from Ireland.
The main problem is we're flushing with potable water, this increases the amount of "waste water" to process. We're not really in a place to struggle for water though. And most people just do a full flush anyway. Some of the best toilets are the ones you hold the lever for as long as you need it - these are VERY simple as there is no complicated filling valves and don't even need a cistern in most cases. That will do more for the environment.
Thanks Nathan. Yes, it's much more true to life showing all the mistakes. It's great to have you on board and I'm always humbled to hear from overseas viewers, even if it's just across the water 👊🏻
It's great fun when you've spent an hour reassembling the bog, only to find the big washer between the cistern and the pan is leaking... all out again! 😄
Yes I can relate to that, when this toilet was new I had it off the wall about 10 times before a mate recommended the gutter sealant. The new flush valve comes with a much better rubber washer that creates a better seal inside the cistern than the old syphon valve did.
Brilliant video. How do you go about measuring the flush valve system outlet size needed before ordering a new system ? It seems strange that such an important size measurement isn't stated anywhere on the current system. My current dilemma is that my failing flush valve system has been discontinued and so suitable replacements have stated 2 different sizes that could be used as a replacement ? Do I go for the bigger or smaller outlet size ? Thanks again for such a great DIY video.
Perfect timing, I, being a little bit heavy ha deducted, broke the flush handle on our on suite toilet, upon in spectrograph under the lid, wow wow wow, scale black hardened gunk all over, so decided to take the system from the wall strip it , jet wash if I need to lol, and refit all the workings, think I will take your advice and buy the same system you installed ,so great video, thanks once again for posting, from Garry in Barnsley UK
I'm just doing this upgrade at home, so your video was a much appreciated helping hand. Will pick up the new parts tomorrow and crack on. Thank you so much..
Thanks. I was marveling at how well this system is working just the other day. Only thing, if your pressure is very high (as mine was before I installed a reducing valve) ie over 3 bar the fill mechanism will fail.
Thanks. It's the fear of the unknown but once you know, there's no fear and you're left with a pretty simple job, plus you can feel a little bit epic every time you pull or push the flush lever 😉👍🏻
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Ace - Thanks for the video Charlie. I installed a flap valve a few years ago, which must the simplest type of flush valve. They are now banned as the dump too much water lol. By the way, how annoying is it when you have to re do work done years before by so called professionals. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
Thanks David. I KNOW! There were so many things he did wrong, from the leaking cistern right down to seating the sink not square. I have unfortunately had to replace that veebath fill valve with a Viva Skylo since doing this vid, because it failed for some reason.
Thank you. This exact thing is what i am dealing with right now. Its ridiculous how difficult it is to find identical replacements. Had to change all instead!.
Overall, this is a great th-cam.com/users/postUgkxZ7xR4U1TX3HwZZ84K6KfzVTyrqxaZ3jZ toilet . A wax ring did not want to stick on the bottom of the bowl. I added a C200 Toto bidet. This is an outstanding combo
Ah great work 👌 Just check you don't have very high water pressure. The first couple of fill valves failed. I couldn't work out why until l realised the pressure here is sky high over 7 bar. Have a reducing valve now as part of the unvented tank install and we're all good.
Also, I make a habit of trimming off the outlet pipe of the flush valve once the backnut is secured as I found it encouraged the discharge of water into the pan and resulted in zero back pressure upon the doughnut washer and subsequent leaking shown in the video.Many thanks.
Are talking about at 10:49 if so the way he did it is correct. As the rubber doughnut washer sits on the pan forming the seal there so goes on last as he did. The metal bracket that the wingnuts fit on isn't forming a seal, its purpose is to pull and hold the cistern section on the pan only. The water tight seal is formed by the rubber washer inside the cistern.
6+ years ago we moved into our house, and within a few days find the cistern is leaking. I bodge a quick fix (involved leaving top of cistern off entirely) as busy unpacking and I knew nothing about cistern plumbing. 6+ years later and the bodge is still in place as "glamorous" cistern work never made it to the top of the to-do/research list. Tonight Charlie posts a video on replacing cistern fill valves and I've already now taken ours apart and ordered a replacement 😅😅😅
THAT is exactly the same situation as mine, except the cistern was new - bought from B&Q with cheap internal components and an incompetent plumber to install. Thanks so much for the comment, mate. Makes doing all this worth while to hear stories like that 👊🏻👍🏻
Excellent video, very helpful. Currently flushing loo with a bucket as the syphon diaphragm failed. Will be fitting one of these amazing flush valves next week. Big thanks.
You're welcome David. The only problem I had with this was the pressure in my house is crazy - over 7 bar so the new fill valve keep failing but it's fine now I have a pressure reducing valve. I think the limit on these valves is about 3 bar.
Suddenly I want to replace all out flushes. The main one’s been temperamental for a while and the extra half flush seems worth the afternoons work to swap them over.
If you're replacing the fill value as well maybe get that Viva Skylo bit.ly/3yTvkp0 as the one featured in this video has developed a fault and is now overflowing - which is frustrating as the identical one in the bathroom has been working fine for years.
I find that cable operated flush valves have a habit of sticking . If you remove valve from base and lube cable inside sheath with spray silicone (after drying with air jet) . Valves that are operated by storks from the top are more reliable and I know you had problems with yours but siphons are the most reliable (not to leak) .
Very helpful video. My problem is locating a replacement ceramic handle, the same as yours. My toilet came pre assembled, being a 6 yr old Mandello Maestro dual flush coupled toilet. The handle itself has broken and is hanging straight down and not gripping. Just swings round and round. I can't find a replacement handle anywhere. You already had a spare. Where would you go to find a new one? I've tried the Mondella website with no luck.
Thanks for your videos and the honesty of the 'when things go wrong'. Beware Ideal Standard cisterns, the handle hole is much smaller than 'standard' and so the new flush handle needed much alteration with my trust Bosch Multi-tool!
Excellent. I wonder if sometime you might comment about the other highly failure-prone flushing system that is found in new builds. Many of these come with Italian Porcelanosa double flush 'Oval' plate systems. These will frequently not stop after use and they end up with water running constantly into the bowl. At £90 for each call out - always with no solution - I have learned to get inside the plate where there is a tap to turn off the flow. Sometimes this does a sort of reset but it is not a cure. Expensive replacement of the 'cartridge' doesn't work either - have you any advice?
I work for a water utility services and with a half flush the home owners tend to have more blocked manholes than full flush there just is not enough water to push stools along so only use half flush on we we's
Thanks, that's a good point. Different for me when there's just a straight run down into the septic tank, but in my old house it had to travel parallel to the house into the garden, turn at 90 degrees, into the neighbours garden and then under their house to the sewer in the road. And that's assuming no-one is stupid enough not to put wipes and other stuff down the toilet, which of course we know they do, because once it's left their toilet pan they don't care what happens to it.
You're welcome Dan. I did have to install a pressure reducing valve th-cam.com/video/OWENIG9lIKY/w-d-xo.html afterwards though as the new fill valve, brilliant though it is, couldn't cope with the extreme pressure I have here.
Thanks Dave. It's so satisfying having the dual flush in place of that clunky syphon, although I've replaced the fill valve for Viva Skylo as the vee bath failed a few weeks after install for some reason. The other benefit is it's cured a knocking pipe issue we had when there was more than one call on the mains water feed in the house. A plumber on a forum suggested the cistern might have been the cause. I couldn't believe him until now.
Thank you Charlie. Dual flush cisterns all new to me! I’m struggling to unhitch the flush valve on a K-VIT installation. I can’t rotate it to the position I need to achieve with the blue boss with yellow pipe to line up opposite the overflow chimney. Any ideas?
That sounds tricky. A bit difficult for me to comment without seeing it as I'm not familiar with this cistern, but you might have to take the cistern off so you can totally unscrew it?
Thank you. As it’s built in behind a false panel and pretty disruptive to move that I’m reluctant - though this maybe needed. If I damage it forcing it round I may have to do that anyway!
Thanks Charlie! Great video as always 😄! Every time I watch one of your videos, I learn at least one new general DIY tip, this time creating the wooden plugs when the rawl plug is slightly out of place. Do you have a recommendation for a version of the angled drill driver head you used? I’m struggling to do up some screws under my sink and that would be perfect!
Thanks so much Chris. There's a link in the Description below the video. It's a Wiha offset bit. There are lots of cheap imitations on the market at the likes of Screwfix and Toolstation that might do the job if its single use but this thing has taken a hell of a beating and is still going strong.
Since dual flush and modern fill valves have become widespread water consumption by toilets has skyrocketed. Neither are tolerant of limescale- the flush mechanism will quickly become leaky and the filler will start to stick causing the cistern to continuously overflow. There are hundreds of thousands of toilets across the UK with water trickling down them 24/7. Low flush toilets and modern fillers are a perfect example of the law of unintended consequences! A quality syphon and ballcock set used to last almost indefinitely and would continue to function even when almost completely encrusted in years and years worth of scale buildup. A modern toilet can start to leak in months.
That's very interesting Spencer. Luckily we don't have limescale problems here, but what you say makes sense, and because they overflow into the pan, people are going to be less bothered to get the problem fixed.
It would be great to know about any potential problems in hard water areas as we are considering changing our siphons over to the modern valves that seem to be so easily activated. Many thanks.
Best to get as much fixing and possible as due to the total weight of the toilet and body weight a small lean can cause a lot of movement. Firm fix can go along way to stop movement and stress on fixed plumbing
Thanks Richard. It's an interesting question that Bobby. You obviously have to bolt the cistern to the wall because with the weight of the water in it, without the wall fixings it would just flop forward. It begs the question really why you have bolts to bolt it down to the pan as actually they're superfluous and if you over tighten them, the metal bracket tends to bend. I guess the pan bolts are to get a decent compression on the donut washer, so that the cistern is at the right height for you to then mark the screw holes on the wall.
@@Richard-so5lf Thank You. I was just wondering as where I live, in South Africa the pans here are cemented on to the concrete floor. I'm always learning. Thank You
Hi there, might be completely dumb of me to mention this to you because you may be fully aware however.. during this video I noticed when you show your ebay page.. this page actually shows your postcode (not sure if you change this for video purposes however) just wanted to inform you incase you get a random weirdo rocking up at your address as you have done videos on what the exterior of your house looks like etc. Like I say I don't want to come across as that weirdo just wanted to inform you incase you wanted to blur this part out in future. All the best and thanks for your videos.
i wonder if it is possible to use two different toilets at once!a dual flush two toilet system.?it's so strange!out of all those billions of people,every person only uses one toilet at once,drives one car at once,sits in one seat at once,writes with one pen at once imagine if we all used the dual operation system.to use two different toilets at once,wouldn't you need to have two different rears?that would be weird!
Save water? Why? It's called "the water cycle " for a reason. Here's another thought. Why have the flush lever or button on the right side? Left would be better. Think about it 🤔 ( similar reason some cultures eat with one hand only).
Another interesting video as always. There has been reports of late with regards the fuel flush mechanisms and how they can leak and waste water, something you don’t get with a syphon system. www.bbc.com/news/uk-54326178
Thanks. They'd be leaking back into the pan so I guess you just need to keep an eye on it. I've had the bathroom system in place for a few years and no leaks yet.. 🤞🏻
I would like to say a big thank you to Charlie. I too made the mistake of ordering a new syphon unit before removing the old one. However I was lucky coming across your video and order another unit from Bathroom Spare Parts and use the handle from the old unit. As I had purchased the unit from Amazon ,and had not removed it from the packing, I have been able to return it for a refund.
Thank you again Charlie.
Ditto. X
I like these videos as Charlie is very honest about things when he makes mistakes. Some TH-camrs hide steps in the process and this can be very deceptive. I always find useful info in every one of his videos so far.
Thanks, I really appreciate that 👍
I concern myself a little - why on earth would I find this so interesting - but I did! Thanks Charlie
Ha! Thanks so much for watching, Mat 👍🏻
This was a fantastic help. Was able to source the right part, adjust it and complete the simple installation / adjustments exactly as shown. Thank you Charlie. Your videos are a source of useful and well explained information. I find myself referring to them quite often!
Thank you Charlie. Iv spent the morning researching toilet valves because I'm in EXACTLY the same situation as this. The old style ball float valves seem to be a thing of the past, and I don't have space for the new type because of the large siphon valve. Alas, I will be changing both valves to new styles just like you have. And you have saved me a lot of research time 👍
You're welcome. Good luck with the work - you won't regret it.
Hi Charlie, the reason I like your channel is you show where things go wrong for you and don't hide your faults like other channels. I too have often had to order 2 or 3 of a part before I have gotten the right one! Fair dues and keep up the work. Hi from Ireland.
The main problem is we're flushing with potable water, this increases the amount of "waste water" to process. We're not really in a place to struggle for water though. And most people just do a full flush anyway. Some of the best toilets are the ones you hold the lever for as long as you need it - these are VERY simple as there is no complicated filling valves and don't even need a cistern in most cases. That will do more for the environment.
Thanks Nathan. Yes, it's much more true to life showing all the mistakes. It's great to have you on board and I'm always humbled to hear from overseas viewers, even if it's just across the water 👊🏻
Yes that makes a lot of sense. 👍🏻
Thank you for the video. An extremely useful and clearly articulated tutorial.
It's great fun when you've spent an hour reassembling the bog, only to find the big washer between the cistern and the pan is leaking... all out again! 😄
Yes I can relate to that, when this toilet was new I had it off the wall about 10 times before a mate recommended the gutter sealant. The new flush valve comes with a much better rubber washer that creates a better seal inside the cistern than the old syphon valve did.
@@CharlieDIYte What is gutter sealant. Can you put a link. Thanks.
Great insight into the inner workings of the loo! Another enjoyable video Charlie!
Thanks Robin. I appreciate that 👊🏻👍🏻
Brilliant video. How do you go about measuring the flush valve system outlet size needed before ordering a new system ? It seems strange that such an important size measurement isn't stated anywhere on the current system. My current dilemma is that my failing flush valve system has been discontinued and so suitable replacements have stated 2 different sizes that could be used as a replacement ? Do I go for the bigger or smaller outlet size ? Thanks again for such a great DIY video.
Perfect timing, I, being a little bit heavy ha deducted, broke the flush handle on our on suite toilet, upon in spectrograph under the lid, wow wow wow, scale black hardened gunk all over, so decided to take the system from the wall strip it , jet wash if I need to lol, and refit all the workings, think I will take your advice and buy the same system you installed ,so great video, thanks once again for posting, from Garry in Barnsley UK
Thanks Garry. Yes, well wortg upgrading to one of these. Good luck with it. 👍
Thanks, another really helpful video. You save me a small fortune on tradesmen.
Ah that's great to hear, thanks for the comment 👊🏻👍🏻
Very timely video Charlie. Many thanks for the enlightening content, as ever.
Thanks mate 👊🏻
I use plumbers mate to make donut washer if it leaking or part broken . Don't use both as makes leak worse . Great job.
Thanks Ian. I tell you, that gutter seal works as a great alternative to plumbers mate, too. A bit messy though.
@@CharlieDIYte Which gutter seal do you use? Thanks.
Awesome mate, I can feel your stress. Thanks for the free education
You're welcome Andrew 👊🏻
Right time to drop this video! I'm going to sort out my en suite bog tomorrow. Cheers buddy
You're very welcome. Thanks for watching it and good luck with the upgrade 👍🏻
I'm just doing this upgrade at home, so your video was a much appreciated helping hand. Will pick up the new parts tomorrow and crack on. Thank you so much..
You're welcome Patrick. Thanks for the comment and good luck with the repair 👊
Just about to repair our downstairs toilet with a nice new fluidmaster system , thanks for the video from Garry in Barnsley
I wish that I had watched this last week . very clear and informative, unlike the manufacturers's leaflets.
Literally just about to tackle this job in our downstairs loo - so a very timely upload…. Thanks Charlie 👏🏻👍🏻
Glad to hear it Dave. Good luck with the replacement 👊🏻
Perfect video. This is exactly what I need to do to my toilet. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks. I was marveling at how well this system is working just the other day. Only thing, if your pressure is very high (as mine was before I installed a reducing valve) ie over 3 bar the fill mechanism will fail.
Very informative and educational. I'm useless at things like this but would now do things with a bit more confidence👍👍.
Thanks. It's the fear of the unknown but once you know, there's no fear and you're left with a pretty simple job, plus you can feel a little bit epic every time you pull or push the flush lever 😉👍🏻
thank you so much really enjoy your videos over the years
Thanks, I really appreciate that, and for you watching my vids over the years 👊🏻
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Ace - Thanks for the video Charlie. I installed a flap valve a few years ago, which must the simplest type of flush valve. They are now banned as the dump too much water lol. By the way, how annoying is it when you have to re do work done years before by so called professionals. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
Thanks David. I KNOW! There were so many things he did wrong, from the leaking cistern right down to seating the sink not square. I have unfortunately had to replace that veebath fill valve with a Viva Skylo since doing this vid, because it failed for some reason.
If you're not using a brass or stainless screw to secure the cistern, use a plastic cover cap to protect the screw from corrosion.
Watched your video, bought the gear, did the job - many thanks, very helpful.
Thank you dear, definitely found this video very helpful....my hubby is always having to sort our cistern out.
Thanks Val. Good to hear from you!
Thank you. This exact thing is what i am dealing with right now. Its ridiculous how difficult it is to find identical replacements. Had to change all instead!.
Thanks. Hope you sorted it. 👊
Overall, this is a great th-cam.com/users/postUgkxZ7xR4U1TX3HwZZ84K6KfzVTyrqxaZ3jZ toilet . A wax ring did not want to stick on the bottom of the bowl. I added a C200 Toto bidet. This is an outstanding combo
Exactly what I was looking for to replace the flush in my upstairs bog!
You won't regret it.
I don't even have this set up but still like to watch your videos
Thanks Andy 👍🏻
Hey Charlie - big thumbs up! Saw your video yesterday, made the fix today. You’re super!
Ah great work 👌 Just check you don't have very high water pressure. The first couple of fill valves failed. I couldn't work out why until l realised the pressure here is sky high over 7 bar. Have a reducing valve now as part of the unvented tank install and we're all good.
Weirdly satisfying!
Thanks 😉👍🏻
Also, I make a habit of trimming off the outlet pipe of the flush valve once the backnut is secured as I found it encouraged the discharge of water into the pan and resulted in zero back pressure upon the doughnut washer and subsequent leaking shown in the video.Many thanks.
Rubber washers should be on first against the ceramic, then metal ones after when attaching to pan with wingnuts
Are talking about at 10:49 if so the way he did it is correct. As the rubber doughnut washer sits on the pan forming the seal there so goes on last as he did. The metal bracket that the wingnuts fit on isn't forming a seal, its purpose is to pull and hold the cistern section on the pan only. The water tight seal is formed by the rubber washer inside the cistern.
6+ years ago we moved into our house, and within a few days find the cistern is leaking. I bodge a quick fix (involved leaving top of cistern off entirely) as busy unpacking and I knew nothing about cistern plumbing. 6+ years later and the bodge is still in place as "glamorous" cistern work never made it to the top of the to-do/research list.
Tonight Charlie posts a video on replacing cistern fill valves and I've already now taken ours apart and ordered a replacement 😅😅😅
THAT is exactly the same situation as mine, except the cistern was new - bought from B&Q with cheap internal components and an incompetent plumber to install. Thanks so much for the comment, mate. Makes doing all this worth while to hear stories like that 👊🏻👍🏻
Excellent video, very helpful. Currently flushing loo with a bucket as the syphon diaphragm failed. Will be fitting one of these amazing flush valves next week. Big thanks.
You're welcome David. The only problem I had with this was the pressure in my house is crazy - over 7 bar so the new fill valve keep failing but it's fine now I have a pressure reducing valve. I think the limit on these valves is about 3 bar.
Exactly the same problem at the moment. Top content!
Hi Owain, good to hear from you. Well worth sorting it. 👊🏻
Suddenly I want to replace all out flushes. The main one’s been temperamental for a while and the extra half flush seems worth the afternoons work to swap them over.
If you're replacing the fill value as well maybe get that Viva Skylo bit.ly/3yTvkp0 as the one featured in this video has developed a fault and is now overflowing - which is frustrating as the identical one in the bathroom has been working fine for years.
Very useful Charlie thanks for taking the time to film edit and upload all the best thumbs up
Thanks Ryan 👊🏻
I find that cable operated flush valves have a habit of sticking . If you remove valve from base and lube cable inside sheath with spray silicone (after drying with air jet) . Valves that are operated by storks from the top are more reliable and I know you had problems with yours but siphons are the most reliable (not to leak) .
Very helpful video. My problem is locating a replacement ceramic handle, the same as yours. My toilet came pre assembled, being a 6 yr old Mandello Maestro dual flush coupled toilet. The handle itself has broken and is hanging straight down and not gripping. Just swings round and round. I can't find a replacement handle anywhere. You already had a spare. Where would you go to find a new one? I've tried the Mondella website with no luck.
Thank you very much for your video. I'll try to replace my old style toilet flush system.
Good luck. It's well worth doing. 👊
Thanks from thailand . I like you Video.
Thanks. Good to hear from you Dao. 👊🏻👍🏻
Many thanks for another great video.
You're very welcome Pip. Thanks for watching. 🙏
Spookey, I did the same to my Victoria (ish) tolet the other year. exactly down to buying the wrong diameter valve. Also i ghad to modify the handle.
That is spooky. It's a fab upgrade isn't it 👍🏻
Thanks for the content! Massive help.
Great Video. Very informative. I'd personally use brass or stainless screws inside the cistern to avoid screw corrosion.
Great video Charlie
Thanks Paul 👍🏻
Good job Charlie ,I hate plumbing.
Thanks Michael. I quite like it. Particularly soldering pipes. It's like Meccano for grown ups!! 👍🏻
Thanks for your videos and the honesty of the 'when things go wrong'. Beware Ideal Standard cisterns, the handle hole is much smaller than 'standard' and so the new flush handle needed much alteration with my trust Bosch Multi-tool!
Thank you for uploading this video, I replaced the old python and Inlet on my mums toilet today after watching your video 👍😃
Excellent work Simon. It's very satisfying isn't it! 👊
The big rubber washer can leak over time. Worth using blue domestos to clean the pan and check for slow leaks of water.
Very helpful. As someone who hasn’t changed a flush before, this gave me exactly what I needed.
Glad to hear it. Thanks for the comment 👍
Excellent. I wonder if sometime you might comment about the other highly failure-prone flushing system that is found in new builds. Many of these come with Italian Porcelanosa double flush 'Oval' plate systems. These will frequently not stop after use and they end up with water running constantly into the bowl. At £90 for each call out - always with no solution - I have learned to get inside the plate where there is a tap to turn off the flow. Sometimes this does a sort of reset but it is not a cure. Expensive replacement of the 'cartridge' doesn't work either - have you any advice?
Hey Charlie I see you're rocking the Tajima tape measure. I have it in my amazon basket. Should I go ahead and get it?
Yes, absolutely. I love it!
We have the same mechanism thank goodness
Hi, your videos are always useful brilliant thank you
Steve
Thanks Steve, I really appreciate that 👊🏻
I work for a water utility services and with a half flush the home owners tend to have more blocked manholes than full flush there just is not enough water to push stools along so only use half flush on we we's
Thanks, that's a good point. Different for me when there's just a straight run down into the septic tank, but in my old house it had to travel parallel to the house into the garden, turn at 90 degrees, into the neighbours garden and then under their house to the sewer in the road. And that's assuming no-one is stupid enough not to put wipes and other stuff down the toilet, which of course we know they do, because once it's left their toilet pan they don't care what happens to it.
Thanks Charlie, great explanation, always wondered how those damn things worked! 😀
Thanks John 👍🏻
Very helpful. Exactly the problem I have at home.
You're welcome Dan. I did have to install a pressure reducing valve th-cam.com/video/OWENIG9lIKY/w-d-xo.html afterwards though as the new fill valve, brilliant though it is, couldn't cope with the extreme pressure I have here.
PS. It would be nice if you could explain the working mechanism of the new flush valves.Thanks.
proper job credit to you and thanks for sharing
Thanks Dave. It's so satisfying having the dual flush in place of that clunky syphon, although I've replaced the fill valve for Viva Skylo as the vee bath failed a few weeks after install for some reason. The other benefit is it's cured a knocking pipe issue we had when there was more than one call on the mains water feed in the house. A plumber on a forum suggested the cistern might have been the cause. I couldn't believe him until now.
Need to do this Charlie, I bought the Vivo
It's working seemlessly 👌
Very useful video, many thanks
You're welcome. Thanks for the comment Mark. 👊
Thank you Charlie. Dual flush cisterns all new to me! I’m struggling to unhitch the flush valve on a K-VIT installation. I can’t rotate it to the position I need to achieve with the blue boss with yellow pipe to line up opposite the overflow chimney. Any ideas?
That sounds tricky. A bit difficult for me to comment without seeing it as I'm not familiar with this cistern, but you might have to take the cistern off so you can totally unscrew it?
Thank you. As it’s built in behind a false panel and pretty disruptive to move that I’m reluctant - though this maybe needed. If I damage it forcing it round I may have to do that anyway!
I've been watching you build a wardrobe for weeks, and then a diaphragm washer fails on my dual fill... jinx 😂
I think the wardrobe build has been going on so long, it was inevitable that washer would fail 🤣
I use stainless steel screws to fix the cistern to the wall. They don’t rust.
Yes I should have done that but didn't have any that length. I should have mentioned that though.
Thanks Charlie! Great video as always 😄! Every time I watch one of your videos, I learn at least one new general DIY tip, this time creating the wooden plugs when the rawl plug is slightly out of place.
Do you have a recommendation for a version of the angled drill driver head you used? I’m struggling to do up some screws under my sink and that would be perfect!
Thanks so much Chris. There's a link in the Description below the video. It's a Wiha offset bit. There are lots of cheap imitations on the market at the likes of Screwfix and Toolstation that might do the job if its single use but this thing has taken a hell of a beating and is still going strong.
Brilliant vid. Thanks 😀😀
You're welcome Neal. Thanks for the comment.
Thank you Charlie, please replace your inlet valve
Omg a power file!!!! I need one
Since dual flush and modern fill valves have become widespread water consumption by toilets has skyrocketed. Neither are tolerant of limescale- the flush mechanism will quickly become leaky and the filler will start to stick causing the cistern to continuously overflow. There are hundreds of thousands of toilets across the UK with water trickling down them 24/7. Low flush toilets and modern fillers are a perfect example of the law of unintended consequences! A quality syphon and ballcock set used to last almost indefinitely and would continue to function even when almost completely encrusted in years and years worth of scale buildup. A modern toilet can start to leak in months.
That's very interesting Spencer. Luckily we don't have limescale problems here, but what you say makes sense, and because they overflow into the pan, people are going to be less bothered to get the problem fixed.
It would be great to know about any potential problems in hard water areas as we are considering changing our siphons over to the modern valves that seem to be so easily activated. Many thanks.
Mine does that exact thing leaks down the back 24/7 365 need to get it fixed as 3 litres an hour wasted according to the water company.
A simple way to check for leaks is to install a tiny camera in the toilet bowl. My uncle did this when I was a kid, before he suddenly disappeared.
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Amazing video
Brass screws are an idea for the tank fixing to the wall (no rust)
I agree, or marine grade stainless steel.
Works great.
Do you by any chance remember where you bought that toilet seat?? Or know the brand? Looks really nice and would like to get one
Yes it's a Roper Rhodes. Not cheap but real wood, good quality seat. I think I bought it online.
Why you didn't used a non rusting secrews instead off thoes great video Charlie
Only because I didn't have any to hand. Good point though.
Good video. How those modern flush systems are supposed to be more simple than a straight forward ballcock beats me.
Thanks. Not more simple but far superior in terms of operation.
13:12 Stainless steel screws would have been my choice.
Agreed, Shane. Just didn't have any the right size. That bitumen will stop them rusting though.
The 'cradle' sizes - are they the size of the hole in the tank please?
Yes, slightly narrower than the hole in the cistern, so it's a good idea to check before you buy!
I have just replaced my toilet. I wish I had watched your video prior.
Sorry to hear that. You'll know where to look if you need to carry out any maintenance :)
If the cistern sits on the pan being a close couple system why is it necessary to bolt the cistern to the wall.
Best to get as much fixing and possible as due to the total weight of the toilet and body weight a small lean can cause a lot of movement. Firm fix can go along way to stop movement and stress on fixed plumbing
Thanks Richard. It's an interesting question that Bobby. You obviously have to bolt the cistern to the wall because with the weight of the water in it, without the wall fixings it would just flop forward. It begs the question really why you have bolts to bolt it down to the pan as actually they're superfluous and if you over tighten them, the metal bracket tends to bend. I guess the pan bolts are to get a decent compression on the donut washer, so that the cistern is at the right height for you to then mark the screw holes on the wall.
If you need to ask the question..........
Exactly mate it will surprise some people the weight of the water in the cistern alone. Glad to see more videos all the best
@@Richard-so5lf Thank You. I was just wondering as where I live, in South Africa the pans here are cemented on to the concrete floor. I'm always learning. Thank You
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NOOICE!!!
Thanks mate 👍🏻
Hi there, might be completely dumb of me to mention this to you because you may be fully aware however.. during this video I noticed when you show your ebay page.. this page actually shows your postcode (not sure if you change this for video purposes however) just wanted to inform you incase you get a random weirdo rocking up at your address as you have done videos on what the exterior of your house looks like etc. Like I say I don't want to come across as that weirdo just wanted to inform you incase you wanted to blur this part out in future. All the best and thanks for your videos.
Thanks Chris. I always try and remove that but clearly missed that one. Sadly I can't edit that now it's live.
i wonder if it is possible to use two different toilets at once!a dual flush two toilet system.?it's so strange!out of all those billions of people,every person only uses one toilet at once,drives one car at once,sits in one seat at once,writes with one pen at once imagine if we all used the dual operation system.to use two different toilets at once,wouldn't you need to have two different rears?that would be weird!
Save water? Why? It's called "the water cycle " for a reason. Here's another thought. Why have the flush lever or button on the right side? Left would be better. Think about it 🤔 ( similar reason some cultures eat with one hand only).
Don't do it
Another interesting video as always. There has been reports of late with regards the fuel flush mechanisms and how they can leak and waste water, something you don’t get with a syphon system. www.bbc.com/news/uk-54326178
Thanks. They'd be leaking back into the pan so I guess you just need to keep an eye on it. I've had the bathroom system in place for a few years and no leaks yet.. 🤞🏻
@@CharlieDIYte yes, back into the pan so it can be unnoticed. It’s said that the duel flush mechanism wastes more water than it saves!