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- Old vs new. NA vs Turbo. Let's find out if the DE5 Integra Type S can live up to the DC2 Type R's legendary status in the world of Honda/Acura performance cars.
DC2 Type R mod list:
Spoon suspension bushings
Spoon rigid collars
Spoon brakes
New OEM springs and dampers
15" Mugen MF10
Yokohama A052 205/50/15
Gruppe M intake
Aftermarket Recaro seats
Momo Monte Carlo steering wheel
DE5 Type S mod list:
Öhlins R&T coilovers
Whiteline front camber joints
Apex VS-5RS 19x9.5 +45
Kumho V730 265/35/18
Endless ME20 pads
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Old Integra design is timeless
I agree & always appreciate when owner keeps it in mint condition
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Honda, we all really just want your high revving engines back please.
Blame emissions regulations, not Honda
@@lawrenceredden9049 False. It's up to Honda to abide by regulations in conjunction with what the consumer wants. That's true innovation and the power of dreams..
@@bitcoinworld6288 i mean they could do that but then you wouldn't want to pay for it because of how expensive it would make the car.
In the EV era, what you want is just history. sadly. The best you can hope is a fake engine sound recorded being played when you accelerate. yeah, sad asf.
The fact how the type r made u laugh vs driving your type s says it all. Modern day cars are faster, more comfortable and better overall BUT those older Analog cars has more emotion, slower, the noise, the steering feel. Ive said it before, its way more fun drivijg a slow car fast than a fast car fast. I have more fun in my civic vs my 1100rwhp supra.
Not surprising you like the DC5 Type-R, it comes from the same lineage as your NSX and S2000s. Chief Engineer Shigeru Uehara worked on all 3 cars.
Owner has great taste in cars RS4.0, DC2R, FD RX7. Legend!!!
Back when 4 cylinder cars made noise 😢
Facts.
Nobody liked the 4 cylinder ricer noise.
My 4 cylinder makes noise! Of course it’s a turbocharged 450hp German 4 cylinder! But I get your meaning. Cars don’t sound like cars any more.
@N-light-end-1 it's from all the noise and emissions regulations. Modern times
I concur!! Current owner of a 2024 Integra Type S and previous owner of a 1997 ITR #101. Loved my 97 ITR in it's day was an amazing fwd chassis. Factory fuel cute at 8900 rpm felt like it would explode at top end. Seeing the faces of non Honda passengers when VTEC engaged at 5,900 rpm to redline was priceless. Many would ask, "won't that hurt the engine"?😂😂 Honda built amazing NA engines which lasted longer than most would imagine with consistent oil change intervals of 3k miles. Didn't like driving the ITR at hwy speeds of 70 mph with the tachometer reading 4,400 rpm in 5th gear and that's with a factory 4.40 final drive. Later ITR's final was 4.785 which means higher rpm at 70mph. Either way, both were not the greatest highway commuter cars for that reason.
The Type S is such bliss to drive in every respect. Shifts like butter with linear torque delivery and bends my mind on highway entrance ramps how hard it pulls while turning. 25 years later and I still take the long way to work and home. 😊 Well done Honda/Acura. Just don't follow Honda/ Acura current oil change intervals if you want to keep it 10-15 years or more as I do. Take care of your car and the car will take care of you.
Cheers
Also just got the ITS...i come from the lineage of Nissan Z cars... The ITS is the best daily with now if you don't want to deal with German depreciation and headaches
Damn I know you’d love to get the ITR back.
I have driven a lot of the classic 90s Japanese cars over the years and my current DC2 Integra GS-R has become one of my favorites. In some ways it's even more fun to drive than my FD RX-7, which feels sacrilegious to say.
No shame in enjoying and loving your GsR bro 😉....I have had mine for 18 years and still enjoy it.
This video just brought a smile to my face, I love the mid-90s integra!
Sound of the b18 is heavenly
that type r sound is worth every penny
A great comparison video, 2 well sorted versions of cars representative of their eras, done by someone who actually knows how to drive, and maintained by people who actually care about cars.
The visciral experience difference is clear. I'd 100% prefer the older car. I had a 92 GSR 15 years ago and still dearly miss that car. You can tell how much better the visibility is just by seeing how high the cowl is in the new car.
I wish they sold the itr in 00. I traded my 99 Cobra in on a 00 Si which got stolen in 02 so I got the RSX type S. I did test drive the itr in 01(yellow) but never bought it, kicking myself now, lol. Just traded my Porsche Macan in on a champ white FL5 and couldn't be happier. I waited a long time to get my dream Honda. Side note , both Si and type s were modded perfectly and were as quick as same yr Camaro ss". Had 2 Eg hatches and an Ek hatch later on. Love your Type S, BTW.
Good comparison. Years ago, I discovered the "smile" factor of my newly purchased used Cayman didn't match that of my old modified RSX. Newer cars like the Cayman have compliance built in to the design, so I didn't get the raw sound of the aftermarket exhaust and header in my RSX which brought a smile to my face when going full throttle. Some got offended when I said the RSX was more fun to drive at the time, the sound of which being a more significant part of the experience than expected. Of course, I eventually got aftermarket exhaust and headers for the Cayman, so now I can rev it out and smile everytime.
Love my ‘94 Integra GSR. So much fun to drive!
I had a 95 gsr with mods. Acuras are just not the same as they were back then. Don’t get me wrong I driven the new Integra and was impressed. There is no school like the old school.
Real nice video on both. I remember the Type R. Drove one for about 1 hour fell in love, couldn't afford it. Fast forward, got my ITS, and love it. My only gripe is your critique of the Type R center controls. Dude, that was nice back then. Remember, that car is older than you. Killer video man. Much props.
I love both cars for different reasons. The ITR of course was in Honda's peak where you couldt find anything else like these at their price points. Just a fine example of the Machine minimum, man maximum Honda philosophy.
The Type-S is a phenominal car also but for different reasons. Todays cars have to cater to a much broader customer base, be family friendly, be comfortable, quiet, commuters etc etc. So making a car that checks all those boxes while still giving us that Honda goodness is an engineering challenge. They did all tha but it never fells watered down or compromised. Great job Honda on both cars.
Great video, it makes me want the original ITR. Funny you mention NSX and S2k. I have a 2005 NSX and a 2004 S2000. I tried to buy an ITR many times when they were cheap but all had bad Car Faxes, stolen, etc.
Great video! Both cars r fun in different ways imo.. great respect for the b/k engines type r as they will be museum piece in another 20 years. Still glad honda is keeping up with the game in the sports car industries.
Someone stole the engine right out of my 96 GSR.😢 Seeing your reaction to driving the older Acura made me miss that car! Great video!
Well done sir. All your comments about from the giggly charm of the DC2 vs the on paper better but just different new TypeS are on point.
As a former owner of a B18C5 swapped EJ8 Sedan who now drives a 2016 ILX Aspec for the last 8 years, I feel you.
Thank you for this comparison and all of the other reviews that you do. I hope that one day I can park a Type R in my garage.
This channel inspired me to get a type s
I own one, absolutely was worth every cent. I haven’t enjoyed driving this much in years and I have averaged 50k miles a year for over a decade.
I’ve had the pleasure of owning two and four wheeled Hondas over the past 25 years. With that said, my DE5 S Type is soooooo dope. The more I drive it, the more I love it.
I've always been a fan of the body design sensibilities of 90s Japanese performance cars. While the tech advancements have dramatically improved these cars, it comes at the expense of the direct linear feedback that's so important to the total driving experience.
You can thank the ITR LSD for its front end prowess coming together
You’re a good driver and have discerning taste when it comes to which cars to build videos around. I like your channel. Work on your charisma in connecting with the audience. Almost a teacher vibe currently
05-06 RSX-S should be in the mix too
Had the 05 typeS, such a great fun car. Super reliable for how much I drove and beat on it.
Longtime subscriber, great video and channel. I’d love to know how the DC2 Type R compares to a Subaru BRZ/86 (1st and 2nd generation). I assume the DC2 would be similar to a 1st gen 86/BRZ? Similar performance and driving feel?
Wished there was a version of the video with just the sound of the ITR.
I have OEM DC2R on my GSR and it’s a massive difference
Miss my 98 ITR. Honda’s version of 911 2.7RS!
I'm loving this series on the Type S keep it up! I'm looking to get one myself soon. Holding out for the 2025 to see if they add memory seats or rear usb/vents.
I don't care if the 4th gen laps the 3rd, it's DC2 or nothing.
Great review. It included my all time favorite car, the 997 GT3 RS 4.0L
Still like the 2 door hatchback with the double wishbone suspension.
You show bias towards your personal car on every video you show it in. Not the worse flaw, but you would make better videos without the bias. Commenting because I've enjoyed your work and would like to see you keep improving, cheers.
I’ll take the DC2 Integra, and give the new integra to the wife. Thnx GG NO RE
I own a tlx type s. My main issue is I love high revving cars. I'm not sure why the tlx redlines at like 6400rpm or the integra. The old school cars used to hit vtec and 5400 and rev to 9k lol
You should have put the RSX type S in the mix. You are doing an integra review
I know it's probably crazy but I'm constantly fighting the urge to sell my low mile S2K for a DC2.
Not that crazy. In some ways the DC2R is more fun than an S2K, depending on mods.
B-series VTEC just sings.
I cant even look at the white one without getting excited
RealTime Racing set track records and WON multiple championships with this car remember! 👍
Thank you for the compassion test. By way of some constructive feedback: you may want to read some old Evo or Car magazines in order to get a better feel for conveying what the car is doing, and bringing the viewer with you. Cheers.
Always looking to improve my game. Evo is the gold standard.
You mentioned in your video that you're rocking 18x9.5 +45mm wheels, but your description says Apex VS-5RS 19x9.5 +45. Can you please confirm which size is correct? I'm asking, as I'm considering going down to 18", but afraid it will look bad...your wheels look great so hoping they're indeed 18". Thanks!
I always found driving a slow car fast and to it's limits is more fun than driving a fast car slow on an autocross track. But the newer cars are probably better in almost every way vs their predasessors. Just my opinion.
Good old zygrene car video
I miss my old ITR. I should have kept it.
Lovely. The Type S must be a very sweet car.
I know a K20A is a better engine, but it doesn't feel as good or sound as good as a B18 CR imho. It's probably my favourite engine of all time. The response, the sound, the cable throttle where just twitching your big toe gives you 100 extra rpm.
An astute owner for not changing out the suspension also. I'm not sure it's possible on a road based DC2R without ruining the handling. But 15mm drop on stock springs...?! He must have cut them! tut tut! Still, probably works just as well :)
B18C5 hands down. With Kswap this dc2 will have plenty of power
B18CR in EF is what it's all about.
I noticed on all your reviews you kind of end off letting the viewer decide which is best. But you have just driven both so I would like to know which you like best.
It’s ok to clearly let it be known what you prefer and why. I think it would be an interesting addition.
I wonder if this is a TH-cam viewership retention thing. Everyday Driver does it too. Keep it neutral to not piss anyone off and lose viewers/subs.
I appreciate the suggestion, although with cars separated by 25+ years it's hard to say I prefer one over the other. It completely comes down to use case. There's no way I'm taking a 90s car if it's a dual duty daily and track car, for example. But I will try to pick a "winner" in the future where I think it makes sense!
Dude, all honesty I wouldn't trade a thousand of your blue car for (1) DC2... Just sayin.
98' integra type R 🔥
It aint a tight car if it aint a Type R
This is why I have two RSX/Dc5
Man, don't disrespect the Type R Integra like that. These cars are from different eras. Love the content.
Disrespect? None given. DC2R is one of the all time greats. That doesn't mean it couldn't do some things better.
@@Zygrene 100%
Nice comparisons man!
Honda should made another coupe Integra Type R, too many Civic Type R nowadays. No offence, I like Civic Type R but coupe Integra Type R deserves a comeback.
Back when torque remained a missing commodity for Acura,Honda and almost every other sport compact manufacture.
Put some respect on this video 📹 😤 👏
Man i wish i could've bought a jdm b18c type r swap pre covid for my ek, now they are unobtainable now a days.
The new Integra Type-S is a remarkable front wheel drive sports sedan uh-oh 😳…if only they made a coupe (the next few years I think a return of ITR is possible)
Thank you for this comparison my friend, what other cars in the Honda world have double wishbone front and back?
cl9 tsx
I believe BB6 Prelude has 4 wheel double wishbone.
type r all day
Honda CTR and Acura Integra Type S needs exhaust done. Way too quiet
Milltek catback coming to my car soon
I'll take a DC-2 Type R (with JDM front end...of course) over the new Type S all day long...
Nice work playa
is bro redlining these cars straight out the lot without giving them warm up time?
Vtec lifestyle get you some❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Wait,😮. This DC2 Type R had OEM springs replaced? Are they available for purchase?
Vtec Gsr !!! Sheeeesh .
This should be titled integra R vs ILX type s...
Did you say RS 4.0…..
Im kinda swaying toward this being a pointless video.. but ay bro you got a super classic type R
Zygrene, when you bought your type s- have you had any regrets? I’m in the market for one myself.. I think there are reasons to spend 50k and there aren’t. I’d like to think this car will last at least 3 decades of hard miles on this Honda motor.. thoughts?
8 months later, no regrets. I'll do an ownership update video soon.
@@Zygrene Alright! I’d love to hear the cost of living and maintenance also! Just found your content recently, Keep up the great work! 👌🏻🤙🏼
A great example of how far Honda has fallen.
Dumb comment. The new Type R is better in every single way. No modern car will have the same old school character these iconic cars have but you can't deny the new Type R is better in every single aspect. Technology and advancement aren't bad things. Do a tune and some performance mods on the new cars and they are monsters, for what they are.
😂 this guy
Turbochargers have killed modern cars.
Turbochargers have given us torque for days and HP to match out of similar displacement. I love Honda but some of our enthusiast's need to move on from the past. Good luck finding at dc2 r also 💯
@@hhasteolder car has better sound and steering feels so you are wrong. The new car is faster which is perfect for ego driven owners.
Cars have become to bloated and heavy IMHO, yes they are more powerful from the factory, but remove the driver too much from the synergy of driver and machine. I am most likely the exception than the general rule, but cars are just not as good as driver machines as before, give me raw road feel, REAL engine noise, letting the car talk to you rather than be insulated from it.
I know that itr burned 2 quarts of oil during this drive
The old Integra is better exterior. The 2024 exterior is a grandma 4 door econobox that nobody looks at.
Huh i dont hear vtec i need it louder
Road name
Bro - reality check. You can't say something is MINT condition and follow it up by saying it has 73k miles on the odometer and your buddy Kevin made a few mods. I'm not making a judgement about the cars. You just need to look up what "mint" condition means if you're doing car videos and be super precise when choosing to use that term - especially when comparing cars in their presumably original production state. By this logic that Type S will be in mint condition in 2060 when your next buddy tricks the crap out of it.
Mint means different to other people. Your definition of mint is different from mine or your parents
I hate fake engine noises but if they did fake vtec noises I wouldn’t mind 😂
B18 Type R is Iconic and with the business, That Type S is an' embarrasment 1.5 Turbo.👎
1.5 liter displacement, even Civics have 1.7 liter motor's don't flatter yourself..
You must mean the civic si.
I have a 1999 🤷🏾♂️
Hearing that fake engine noise coming from the new "Integra" made me want to vomit. Nice ILX though.
Only one of those is an integra..
Lame driving of the -24 with just talking compared to the driving of Dc2. Integra -24 fake engine sounds is awfaul.
New Integra is a POS.
Two completely different cars with zero in common either then a name and a logo...
The Type R was Made in Japan, the new Type S is a fancier Honda Civic made in Ohio USA instead of Alliston Ontario.
The only thing they really have in common is they both aren't real sport cars lol... Front wheel drive cars can't be real sport cars 😝.
The guy that was in charge of the ITS also made the original NSX and S2K. Go drive one
@@davelospinoso9022 Nope... I refuse to drive front wheel drive, I refuse to drive automatic and if the VIN number doesn't start with J, I'm not interested.
Did you fight rocky?
Like comparing a catapult to a rocket launcher