Canaanites Were Israelites & There Was No Exodus - Dr. Joel Baden
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- Prof. Joel Baden works widely in the field of Hebrew Bible, with special attention to the literary history of the Pentateuch. He is the author, most recently, of The Book of Exodus: A Biography (Princeton University Press, 2019). His other books include J, E, and the Redaction of the Pentateuch (Mohr Siebeck, 2009); The Composition of the Pentateuch: Renewing the Documentary Hypothesis (Yale University Press, 2012); The Promise to the Patriarchs (Oxford University Press, 2013); The Historical David: The Real Life of an Invented Hero (HarperOne, 2013); Reconceiving Infertility: Biblical Perspectives on Procreation and Childlessness (with Candida Moss; Princeton University Press, 2015); and Bible Nation: The United States of Hobby Lobby(with Candida Moss; Princeton University Press, 2017). He is the co-editor of the volumes The Strata of the Priestly Writings: Contemporary Debate and Future Directions (TVZ, 2009) and Sibyls, Scriptures, and Scrolls (Brill, 2017).
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So why is searching for the truth antisemitic?
Right?!
There are people why claim that modern jews are not descendant of ancient Israel.
@@LNTA8askhenazi Jews are way more European than middle eastern, genetically.
Ok. Searching for truth and saying that a group of people are the real people after they have been persecuted for 2000 for being those people only to remove these people's claim to their holy book their holy land and their connection others like them who scattered around the world. This is the no Jewish "Holy Trinity" so to speak:
Torah =
The 5 books of Moses or The Pentatuch
Eretz Ysrael = The Land of Ysrael/The Promised Land
Am Ysrael =
The Nation or People Ysrael
After millennia of abuse for claiming that we are this group of people with these 3 connections people want to replace us remove us from this legacy which has come with a sort of suicidal pride for most of 2 thousand years.
How could that ever be anti-semitic?
There are some groups who claim to be Jews to join us but there are others who claim to be the real Jews to replace us. Then there are those who claim that the Ashkenazi Jews are not real Jews but we are descended from a mass convention Khazar people, a Turkic people east of Ukraine and North of the Baltics.
You see before genetic studies these people claiming these things could claim whatever they wanted as an alternate narrative of how Ashkenazi Jews migrated to central and Eastern Europe. There is history that tracks these migrations and expulsions from Western Europe to Central and Eastern Europe and straight up the known Greek and Bizantine World to what is now Ukraine for a mixture of reasons. History and genealogy tell the same story of several migrations and mass murders that lead to a lot of inbreeding. It is a legacy we have to carry in the form of genetic diseases.
Seek the truth... This is the truth!
When you go to a Parkinson's conference or are watching the news and they say Ashkenazi Jews are being studied to isolate the genes that cause these diseases it's both a curse and a blessing but a lot of times it just feels like a curse!
The proof is in ND the truth has been found. Stop telling us we have been tortured and abused for pretending to be these people in the Bible!
@@LNTA8The Samaritans are closer to the original laws of Moses.
When I was a child, reading that "everyone did what was right in his own eyes" meant that everyone was behaving correctly: I couldn't see what the problem was.
The Deuteronomy scroll always looked like an ancient fraud to me (even when I was a believer). I could imagine priests rolling their eyes and thinking "I bet the ink is still wet".
The circumstances behind Deuteronomy are suspicious to me, especially considering that it was conveniently “discovered” by King Josiah to push his political agenda.
One is unable to understand encrypted material without the encryption key. Without the real meanings of the allegories and their representations one would only be able to see the external symbol instead of the deeper layer. The bible is a carefully constructed myth. Those who wrote in the name of the god knew what they were doing. In ancient times every tribe had their own god/gods who helped them achieve their collective aspirations. So the god is kind of a tool, a personification of those collective aspirations. They thought if the god was pleased they win over their enemies, take over their lands and riches, enslave inhabitants etc. The encryption/hidden meanings of the allegories and personifications used to convey those plans and ideas have been prudently guarded secrets even to this day in other literatures of udaism. In fact they are in effect today happening now. The kingdom which is to be realized on earth by the tribe is of course world domination by the commands of the god who crafted a plan and set money landing as the number one means to acquire leading role in any land they went.
Excellent intellectual point.
Robert Miller how u equate Deuteronomy 18:22 that a man lay with it a man should be stone to death
U must be a sissify bully .a bully in a sissy body
Hatfields and McCoys
was looking forward to this topic. couldn’t hang in there with this guy :-/
Was it the stay away from my little sister you creep look or his arrogant avoidance of questions?
I wonder how much the return from Babylonian exile affected the narrative of Moses leading the people to the promise land.
@mathew popp, actually the people who were taken to Babylon were just the elites, no more than 20k were taken, the peasantry if you will were not taken. Yeah shocking I know, like many people I thought all the Hebrews were taken into captivity but nope just the elites.
@@mikeaskme3530 Yes, it would have been the elites who were primarily taken to exile. Those same elites would have been the ones constructing the narratives of many of the stories that were written as they would have been the very few literate people in the Isrealite culture.
It might be a self-insert by Ezra. He can't really say 'look at what a great guy I am' in the present, but I'd he writes a story where he changes his name and sets the story in the distant past he can still give himself a nice pat on the back while making the guy who saved them long ago look very similar to him.
@@mikeaskme3530 Right...and the elites are the people who write the books.
I like the part where the Hebrew god Yahweh promises the Hebrews some real estate that is already occupied by another tribe.
It sounds like the same character that turned Cain against Abel and led to the first murder.
If you really knew the bible, Canaan took Shem's land. God told them to take back the land for the Shemites.
Really? Got a Bible verse or 2 to prove this?
He's God... The whole point is that he can do whatever he wants. He was sending, and maybe even creating, people groups just to teach the Israelites a lesson. I don't think he cares that some group occupies a piece of land somewhere.. he is the one who created them anyway.
"Wait I just had a prophecy, God wants us to kill those people and take their stuff" all the religions we know are death cults
Seems like whitss tuck land from another tribe. Every land whites tuck already had people in the land.
Good chat. It ties in with the findings of Finkelstein and Silberman in their book “The Bible Unearthed.”
Im Palestinian and 80%-87% of our DNA derives from ancient Canaanites. So you’re saying the J*ws kicked us out twice? 😆
I thought the exodus was really about the liberation from Babylonian captivity by the Persian empire and then they grafted it on to to Egypt later.
No. Babylonian captivity happen way later after the exodus from Egypt.
@@brianpollet3193 That presupposes that the exodus narrative actually happened. It's unlikely that it's historically accurate because, besides the supernatural events described within, there is no archeological evidence for it, nor does the storyline make much sense. It's most likely a national myth, very possibly meant to create pride and unification under the banner of the culture's god.
This would not make sense. They could embilish the exodos from babylon too, but they did not. The exodus of Babylon was from the time of the Deuteronistc and Priestly Source, so is more accurate and less mythological (this is why Ezra and Neemiah are two of the most reliable books of the old testament). But the exodus of Egypt clearly was written many centuries before, since is very mythological and it dont care that about historic accuracy
ye, it's incredible what a thought bubble can bring into existence.
It is an interesting idea. It creates historical continuity for fledgling Judaism by creating a narrative that things have been like this before. It also allows them to talk about their current captivity without directly offending their captors. The idea that the Exodus story is really a projection of the Babylonian Captivity back in time makes a good deal of sense.
You’ve got to have him back on to have the “Bigger Conversation” about Bible prophecy and how it works. I’d love to see that.
A fake Jue telling lies, like they always do.
Rev 2:9
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The NT is forged
"It's played out, it's super boring, it's transparent, oh and it's dangerous. So we won't talk about that." That's basically what I heard at the beginning. So it's automatically shut down.
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Now, in 2024, can't you see how "Antisemitism" is played out? Can't you see that its overuse (over-accusation) has made it "crying wolf?" Now the US Congress wants to expand the definition to include criticism of Israel.
And you think the term isn't played out?
Instead of attempting to refute those claims, he just resorts to name-calling. Not very scholarly of him.
Antisemitism is an excuse to shut people up. It's like crying racist when facts hit you in the face
The Bible is like our modern day superhero comic books written by a down trodden race that was in constant subjugation to other more powerful nations and wrote a book where eventually they would end up ruling the world with the help of their superhero God .
How am I ruling the world?
@@Nomad1992-Israel i mean, just in the fact that the 'big 3' western religions are the big 3 western religions kinda means that on some scale, the people writing the bible 'won' in some sense. dont take everything personal, allow room for metaphor and analogy, and alot of things make at least a little sense. even if i dont agree with alot of people, i can understand why alot of them think what they do. we have countless strains of Christianity alone, and people within a religion rarely view related religions as 'the same' because they know how they are different from said other people, but from the outside, as say a buddhist or an atheist, from that perspective, 'Abrahamic' faiths are definitely 'ruling the world' on some level. you as a person, no, not at all. however, you take the vatican, pro israel american n british governments, israel itself, the religious lobbying arm that believes Jewish people in Jerusalem has something to do with Jesus coming back and the end times, then add the hude path of conversion islam is carving, add in a bunch of these powers being some of the major economic forces in the world, you start lumping any of that together n they definitely start to rank up there in the 'ruling the world' charts, even with no central agenda.
@@wilkisama Sure I have no issue with what you said, there is a clear difference though between what you said and what the OP said. It's possible to read that as what you meant sure but it's also very possible that he meant the one minority religion/people.
@@Nomad1992-Israel yeah, its possible. i just dont see the point in getting offended when i really dont think he meant it in some bad way. like... he was calling it a comic book. it is kinda like a comic book, they even have a zombie arc in revelations lol.
why choose to see 'calling my people something' when what he said is closer to 'its kinda like a comic book where the underdog rises up'
i just dont see a negative or spiteful connotation to the original post. i see how one *could* be there, but not any evidence this it *is* there.
@@Nomad1992-Israel Is that not what the bible teaches that in the End only those that believe as they do will survive and all others will die or be killed by their god ?
You are not the only ones , most religions promise rulership by believers over non believers in the end times .
Which is why Evangelicals are clamoring for the End Times .
".... It's all fiction..." Best and most accurate answer I've ever heard from a Bible scholar! There's 'history' in Gone With The Wind too, but.... c'mon!
You won't get the same answer from a Haredi Rabbi as from Joel Baden, just as your won't get the same evaluation of the Bible from Dr. Bart Ehrman as from an ignorant Evangelical pastor, and then there's Dr. Carrier who never had a dog in the fight.
@@JMM33RanMA According to believers, every human being, past, present and future, has a dog in this fight. The fact there are such different things as Haredi/Hasidim or Shia/Sunni or Evangelical/Catholic, (or the 29,998 other christian denominations) or the six schools of Hindu Philosophy or the three branches of Buddhism is a clanging signal that it's ALL fiction. So what exactly is your point?
@@banba317 Each proclaims themselves the only true faith. They can do this as long as they shelter under a secular state that protects all equally. When they seek to take over the government for their own selfish ends, they attack all others and need to be terminated, for the safety of all others!
@@JMM33RanMA Pull back on the reigns there a little cowboy... I'm an atheist, but I don't think believers should be "terminated." Our secular state also protects non-believers and all that needs to be done to reign in religion here is to TAX them. As for foreign fundamentalists and jihadis of any persuasion, yes; treat them like the criminals they are but MOST importantly relieve the conditions that drive people into their clutches; fight ignorance, racism, and poverty!
@@banba317 Should the Holocaust or the Nazis doing it have been "terminated" is the question. If the Talibangelicals engage in an attempt to overthrow our Constitution and secular government should that attempt be terminated? I would say yes to both.
The problem arises if the word "terminated" means to kill innocent individuals. If you have a gun in your hand, are trying to overthrow the government or kill officials, do the authorities' police have a right to terminate you if they can't otherwise stop or capture you? The answer is and always has been yes.
Our problem now is that the violent insurrectionists seem to think that their violence can't result in their facing possibly fatal consequences for their actions. They are quite wrong, though I am not saying that they should be killed, only that their actions might result in their being killed.
It almost sounds as if the biblical story of the Canaanites was pro Israeli propaganda. Another case of the winners write the history kind of deal.
In his book "The Exodus: How It Happened and Why It Matters", Prof. Richard Elliott Friedman makes a strong case for a small group of people migrating from Egypt to Canaan. He argues that there is a historical basis for the exodus, but the story was changed over the hundreds of years it was passed down orally before being written down. I am not Jewish and not religious, so I do not have a horse in the race.
What is this proof?
The biggest blood libel of history is the lie that the Egyptians enslaved the Israelites. Movies are still made showing Israelite slaves building the pyramids, when every reputable Egyptologist will tell you that FREE EGYPTIAN MEN WILLINGLY BUILT THE PYRAMIDS. It was part of their religious devotion and what we would now call patriotism to build their Pharaoh's tomb.
Check out the egyptian history on "Iah- Moses" a.k.a. Ahmose I. The entire Exodus legend was just plagiarism and basically stolen from the foundation story of the New Kingdom of Egypt.
@@blackalien6873 Prof. Richard Elliott Friedman would agree. They were not slaves. I think he proposes that they were a group of elite Egyptians who became the priestly caste (Levi). They took a leadership role and crafted the exodus legends to their advantage. Their is some genetic evidence that could be considered to be consistent with this theory. Again, I do not really care if it's right or wrong. Just passing along the information.
Everyone misses the connection between AKHENATEN and monotheism. Akhenaten created monotheism just a few decades before the Israelites showed up on the radar. It seems that Akhenaten's monotheism left Egypt, CROSSED THE RED SEA (sounds familiar?), and reached Canaan... Funny enough, Akhenaten's reforms triggered a civil war in Egypt, which he lost. Akhenaten's body was never found. It is theorized that HE and his followers fled Egypt through the Northeast, that is towards Canaan. Who ruled Canaan? The Phoenicians, which were literally Akhenaten's first cousins. Do the math.
Gotta say, this was one of the most exciting guests I've seen on your channel aside from the greats like Richard Carrier or his high profile rival Dr. "I push Jesus is real but also talk about everything else from a place of reason" Ehrman. 🤣
Seriously, great interview.
I love that a scholar is openly referring to the obvious similarity between Joseph Smith's book of mormon and Deuteronomy.
Josiah's reforms were clearly a huge undertaking to solidify Yahwism in Judah. I mean, the remainder of the Hill tribes that likely still worshipped the Elohim or who at least had monolotry were decimated a century before in their sister kingdom of Israel by the Assyrians. So then you have a slow degregation of popular support which shifted to monotheistic worship of YHWH as opposed to the inclusion of "his Asherah" who was originally El's wife, and other lesser deities. I've heard some scholars say that the shift eventually led to the other members of their pantheon becoming "Angels" or "Archangels", which actually sounds reasonable. Either way, it seems that Josiah was more of a tyrant who used religious reforms and nationalism to control the behavior of his people. It's not unlike what we see now, obviously a strongly "moral" people will breed more and make more obedient and unified soldiers. Less than a century later, that failed to pan out for them.
What I would love, is to trace WHEN the Shasu passed the ideology of Yahwism over to the Hill Tribes. Did they intermarry or have their females taken but males killed in some sort of warfare (not uncommon based on genetic findings)? How did that influence from the Arabian peninsula reach the Hill tribes? It would be nice if we didn't have a sort of blackout between 1200-800 BCE from the most part.
Also I think the Hyksos expulsion is a part of the cultural memory for Exodus, it's only logical. Further, the Ur of the Chaldeans reference for Abraham suggests that part was written during the exile since that's when the Chaldeans ruled that region, they probably thought it was always that way.
Okay final thoughts on Moses, I know very little about this, but I've heard something about parallel stories that mirror the Moses account in parts from Ancient Cyprus, I wonder if this story was blended into the narrative starting with the Bronze Age Collapse and arrival of the Philistines who were clearly a people from the Aegean region originally.
Would love to hear everyone's thoughts on all of this, it's a bit deep with very little data available but feel free to hypothesize with me on these things.
The "Hebrew" language isn't really "Hebrew"...it's the ancient Phoenician/Cannaanite language. The word "Hebrew" originally was derogatory for "those who came from across the river"...so there really isn't a "Hebrew" language OR people.
citations needed please.
@@DarthFetid pretty easy to verify on google alone...
"Hebrew" or "ibhri" meant the "passers" as in passover, or (Jordan) river crossers, or immigrants (as in "not from here" but also even "returning to their homeland"). Obviously, any sort of proper marketing needed one meaning over the other. Traditionally, a lot of religious jews think Hebrew just means "from the land of Ebre" like they think Aramaic means "from the land of Aram" although it more likely means Highlands.
There is also a bit of Mesopotamian cuneiform within the Hebrew language, not just Phoenician, but yes Hebrew is mostly Phoenician. By the way, the Phoenician alphabet is actually Egyptian Hieratic. The Alphabet we use today comes from the Phoenician Alphabet. So technically, except for some Asian countries, the entire world today is still expressing itself in a type of ancient Egyptian.
If people collectively identify as a word then they are a people and exist.
I love Prof. Baden's style of thoughtful reasoning. He often gives me a whole new outlook on things I thought settled and boring. Thank you!
Lol he dodges every without saying anything.
Just like an edomite-juhoo, he just claims "antisemitism" as if that's a defense.
Every time I read Prof. Baden's name my subconscious postfixes "Powell"
sigh ... ruined by my childhood.
what does Rabbi Tovia Singer think about no exodus?? Did you run this by him first???
I love how this white guy with a ginger beard is looking through out history searching for his ancient roots in middle eastern tribes
There was a pharaoh with red hair and European features. Also, in the Old Testament Esau has red hair 👨🦰.
The Irish can be Jews too…it’s more of a peoplehood than an ethnicity (just look at the number of ethnicities making Jewery up).
@@danielackles4265 Red hair along with blonde hair are not "European features", same goes for prominent nose shapes. These phenotypes are also common in the middle east as well in Melanesia, and among aboriginal Australians.
All books now and in the past described who The Most High
Was talking about (his people )
As not all Israelites was his chosen ones (12 tribes )
Lets go back to the very early books ...before they stole everything rewrote everything especially peoples identity
Hence why they call them selves
Jew....ish
I love how you're not aware that there's middle eastern people with white skin and ginger hair. Especially among the peoples most closely related to jews in the areas closest to israel.
Well as I told my own subs it is even provable there wasn't an ancient Hebrew slave chapter in Egypt. The reason it never happened. There is no evidence in Egyptian records that the Hebrews were ever slaves on a global level. There is also zero archeological evidence of this wandering in the wilderness. None. There are other versions of a Moses in other cultures. As I say in my own vids, as I touched on this more than once, the only people who believe this are Christian fundamentalists who are being given "evidence" from other fundamentalist "researchers" who are completely discredited. But that is the mantra and method of cult members. Cheers, DCF
The Josiah story is something that was once very meaningful to us Torah folks, thinking that our "end times reawakening of Torah" was going to essentially be a similar experience in coordination with the Messianic age. I loved this chat very informative thank to the both of you!
@Black Lesbian Poet no they weren't actually they were mixed Semitic races I've done the research and had a video actually
Wouldn't the Israelites have interbred among the Canaanites? The Biblical stories about conquering the land would basically tell us that Jews took their place and adopted all possible spoils...including women and elements of Canaanite mythology. It would be incredibly difficult to know the difference between the two groups when one is absorbed by the other.
The Canaanites pre-date the Israelites and Hebrew is a Canaanite dialect.
*Ugarit and the Bible*
Many people are familiar with the texts found at Qumran, commonly known as the Dead Sea Scrolls, in the 1940s. But fewer people have heard of the Ugarit findings, which began to be unearthed in the late 1920s. Both discoveries greatly increased our knowledge and understanding of Biblical texts and also of the history surrounding the evolution of Judaism and Christianity.
The Dead Sea Scrolls impacted both the Old and New Testament interpretations, while the findings at Ugarit impacted only the Old Testament. *These texts and architectural inscriptions predate the Hebrew settlement at Canaan, but interestingly, they mention some of the same gods that appear in the Hebrew religious writings, produced after the Hebrew contact with the Ugarit region. The most significant god mentioned is El.* In one temple inscription he is said to be the father of Ba’al. In other mentions, he is even the father of Yaweh.
In the Old Testament, Ba’al is associated with the Canaanites. And he is described as the focus of their religious worship in those stories-while El is described as being another name for Yahweh, the Hebrew patron god. *In reality, however, based on the discoveries at Ugarit (the land called Canaan in the Bible), El is clearly the father of the gods in much the same way that Zeus is the head of the gods on Olympus in Greek mythology. And Yaweh is not another name for El, but a separate deity.* Like Zeus, El headed a pantheon. He was not only the father of mankind, but the leader of the Ugarit gods. *His pantheon, in Ugarit, is called the* ***Elohim*** *(literally, the plural of El).*
Using the book of Genesis as an example, the best scholarly estimates date it back to somewhere between 950 and 500 BC. *It appears that the writings were composed in two styles, one style preferring to refer to god as El and the other using YHWH (or Yahweh).* Eventually these texts came together into the form we have today, sometime around 450 BC. *Just to give some perspective, the best documented time in the Ugarit history was between 1450 and 1200 BC.*
According to many modern apologists, El is simply another name for god, or even a generic word for “god” used by the Hebrews; and Elohim is simply another form of El. However, Bible translators do translate Elohim as plural in some instances and do translate El to be a proper noun in some instances. Some apologists defend a wholly singular usage of Elohim by pointing to the inconsistency with which Elohim is used with singular verb forms; however, this does not rule out the very real (and likely) potential that as monotheism evolved out of polytheism, the Hebrew texts were adjusted to correct for this problem (as we discussed the evolution of the book of Genesis in the above paragraph). ***However, it does seem oddly coincidental-and difficult to overlook-that the Hebrews had significant contact with Canaan and then, some years afterward, wrote out a Hebrew religious mythology using a name for god that parallels the Ugarit mythology’s chief deity.*** *It is also odd that Elohim appears in Ugarit texts as a clearly plural form of El, and then later in a sometimes confused singular/plural fashion in the Hebrew texts.*
*The important question becomes, then: Is there any reason beyond the contact with Canaan to view the Hebrew deity as being synonymous with the Canaanite god El? The answer is “yes.”* There are parallels between the two gods. For example, if we look at more of the attributes of El in the Ugarit texts, we find that El had a consort, Asherah *(who was also, occasionally, recorded as the consort to Yahweh).* This would appear to distance the Hebrew El from the Ugarit El then, if there is no mention of the Hebrews combining El with Asherah. *However, there is mention in the Hebrew texts that illustrates that Asherah was connected with El in the minds of the Hebrews as well as in their worship. Twice in Jeremiah (chapter 7 and chapter 44), she is referred to as the Queen of Heaven, and it is clearly indicated that the Hebrews were worshipping her in those instances.* Also, in 2 Kings 18, it is noted that her objects of worship (the Asherah poles) were removed from the “high places” of worship to El/Yahweh.
*There is no doubt that as the Hebrews moved from polytheism, into henotheism, and ultimately into monotheism, that they adjusted their religious practices accordingly.* It is not surprising that the worship of Asherah was ultimately condemned, discouraged, and forbidden. *But what can’t be ignored is the fact that the Hebrews did acknowledge Asherah. They did worship her.* And they did associate her with El by placing her symbols in the same temples of worship. ***If Hebrews did not adopt the older Ugarit El, with which they were surely familiar, then it is very odd that Asherah also appears in their religious texts and worship.***
I would never underestimate the apologist’s ability to find a perspective that can reinterpret this data to make it less problematic. ***However, the clear and simply explanation is this: The Hebrews interacted with Ugarit, adopted their pantheon, and their religion evolved, as all religions do through time, to become a uniquely Hebrew monotheism.***
Google *"The Atheist Experience™: Ugarit and the Bible"*
Watch Dr Christine Hayes who lectures on the Hebrew Bible at Yale University. Watch lecture 7 from 30:00 minutes onwards and lecture 8 from 12:00 to 19:00 minutes.
Watch *"Pagan Origins of Judaism"* by Sigalius Myricantur and read the description in the video to see the scholarship the video is based on.
Watch *"How Monotheism Evolved"* by Sigalius Myricantur and watch up to at least 21:40.
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In addition, look up the below articles.
*"Jews and Arabs Descended from Canaanites - Biblical Archaeology Society."*
("The study in Cell not only establishes that the ancient Israelites were ***descended from the Canaanites,*** but also establishes that the Canaanite people across the separate city-states of the southern Levant, and over a period of 1,500 years, were a genetically cohesive people.")
*"The Canaanites weren't annihilated, they just 'moved' to Lebanon - The Times of Israel."*
*"Ancient Canaanite religion explained - **everything.explained.today**"*
*"Archeology of the Hebrew Bible - NOVA - PBS"*
("Many scholars now think that *most of the early Israelites were originally Canaanites, displaced Canaanites,* displaced from the lowlands, from the river valleys, displaced geographically and then displaced ideologically.")
*"Origins of Judaism explained - **everything.explained.today**"*
("According to the current academic historical view, the origins of Judaism lie in the Bronze Age amidst polytheistic ancient Semitic religions, ***specifically evolving out of Ancient Canaanite polytheism,*** then co-existing with Babylonian religion, and syncretizing elements of Babylonian belief into the worship of Yahweh as reflected in the early prophetic books of the Hebrew Bible. (The Torah)".
*Refer to the bibliography at the bottom of the page)*
*"Canaanite languages - Britannica"*
("Group of Northern Central or Northwestern Semitic languages including ***Hebrew,*** Moabite, Phoenician, and Punic.")
*"El - New World Encyclopedia"*
(Refer to the section "El Outside the Bible" and the fact that *most of the early Israelites were originally indigenous or displaced Canaanites)*
*"El (deity) explained - **everything.explained.today**"*
(Refer to section "Ugarit and the Levant" and the fact that *most of the ancient Israelites were originally indigenous or displaced Canaanites* and see how El, later conflated with Yahweh (Yahweh-El(ohim)) is fictional)
*"God's Wife Edited Out of the Bible - Almost."*
(Pay attention to whose wife Asherah (Athirat) is in the Ugaritic/Canaanite texts and how she became the wife of YHWH/Yahweh)
*"Yahweh's Divorce from the Goddess Asherah in the Garden of Eden - Mythology Matters."*
*"Married Deities: Asherah and Yahweh in Early Israelite Religion - Yahweh Elohim."*
*"Asherah, God's Wife in Ancient Israel. Part IV - theyellowdart"*
*"The Gates of Ishtar - Anath in the Elephantine Papyri"*
(It appears in addition to Asherah (Athirat) being the consort of Yahweh it also appears some Israelites also viewed the Canaanite goddess Anat(h) as Yahweh's consort)
*"Excerpt from “Yahweh and the Gods and Goddesses of Canaan” by John Day - Lehi's Library."*
*"The Most Heiser: Yahweh and Elyon in Psalm 82 and Deuteronomy 32 - Religion at the Margins"* based on the *majority scholarly consensus.*
(Written by Thom Stark who is a Christian)
*"Michael Heiser: A Unique Species? - Religion at the Margins"*
(A second response to Michael Heiser)
*"The Syncretization of Yahweh and El : reddit/AcademicBiblical"*
(For a good summary of all of the above articles)
It's not anti semitic to question the actual Hebrews. Kazars come from Europe not Cannan and the Hebrews were of African Decent
If only Christian fundamentalists would recognize the truth in what Dr. Baden is saying we would all be better off. A lot less hate.
Israelites were canaanites. So you've got the title wrong.
the Hebrew language bar a few words is the Canaanite language....
They wondered for 40 years b/c the Egyptians still ruled over today's Israel/Palestine back then. It's wasn't until the total collapse of the Bronze Age where massive natural changes (50-150 years of earthquakes and famine, creating the sea people) occurred everywhere on the planet that gave the original Israelites their opportunity to conquer. Also explains how the walls of Jericho could have fallen at that time.
That is the best scholarly way to deal with disagreement. Call it antisemitism. Let me guess he has a stake in the outcome?
Oh hun, anybody that says keep your whatever whatever out of my timeline needs to just be disregarded completely
I think a group of monotheist exiles from Egypt that followed Akhenaten were absorbed by some Canaanite tribe that inspired what would ultimately become Israel.
I believed that since I first learned about Akhenaten.
Akhenaten wasn't monotheistic, he mainly opposed the god Amun and his wife Mut and his son Khonsu, the other gods were pretty much left alone.
Simple put; through all the complexities.
My favorite thing about The Book of Ruth is that Naomi tells her to do that.
Next, the story of David didn't happen either. He was not the King of Israel either. And the prophets were crazy people. Really?
To believe that some one is not a jew is not antisemitism. If the Israelites and Caananites were the same people and both were from kush then they are the descendants of Ham.
Antisemetic is way overused
Ham being a myth.
@Ronald bessard No matter what you prefer calling such sentiment, it is RACIST, and BIGOTED when coming from someone of African descent AND non-Jewish. It isn't up to you to be concerning yourself with "to believe someone is not a Jew" unless you are a rabbi in good standing and working with converts, sitting on a rabbinical council, or working with Baal Teshuvas, it isn't your place to say who is a Jew. You're placing yourself in the rarefied air of Nick Cannon, Ye West, and Kyrie Irving apparently. There is zilch to support the underpinnings of Black Hebrew Israelite ideology. I'm disgusted and actually repulsed by very few people, yet those who espouse what you are doing here fill me with utter revulsion. It is tantamount to hate speech for any Blacks to insist Africans are the real Jews, and we are imposters who stole your identity. If that isn't the best illustration of gaslighting, , I don't know what is. Funny how so many of African descent cannot seem to make their minds up if they're the "real" Egyptians, Native Americans, Macedonians, or Jews. Why can't you be content being Africans? Funny how that is?
@edwardkantowicz4707 A Rabbi is a man and and many things written in the Talmud are hateful and Racists.
Totally, but the conspiracy turns to be true as the people who call themselves Jews really aren't, they are descendants from the Khazars and around of 90% of Israel residents are not genetically Jews, that is descendants from the Hebrews.
How about Israelites were Canaanites because Canaan existed before Israel?
It does my heart good to see a Professor in Academia explain the very things I've questioned in my own heart: This bible book doesn't make sense in the real world because the stories aren't real. It's fiction.
We have created a whole world on FICTION, so many people will defend/hurt others over this book called the Bible. It's sad. I love when these Professor come on and tell what's going on in Academia, because the average lay person has no clue whatsoever.
This is what makes this channel a gem, thanks Derrick for the work you do and the time you put in to give us the FACTS, waking so many up from the Matrix....
It is never emphasized by religious leaders that Abraham had two wives after Sarah, who had lots of of children. Also, not to be forgotten is Abraham's first born son, Ismael, and his descendants.
@@dawnemile7499 Abraham is a myth, dude. Wake up.
"Anti-semitism is the oldest trick in the book"....brilliant.
By "intellectually" discounting the history as contained in Torah, ol' prof here is practising a far more disingenuous form of anti-Semitism. The guy is a sheep in wolves' clothing.
Anytime some disagree with you just say Anti-semitism is the oldest trick in the book"..
I will try it as an African
"The original Jews were not African"
Anti-African racism is the oldest trick in the book.
Title is WRONG. Correct title should be "Israelites were Canaanites & There Was No Exodus."
Yes
Except there was.
Well... If you mean Canaanite as in someone living in Canaan... Yes. When they lived in Canaan they were Canaanites. They were also Asiatics and Semites. But not all canaanites, Asiatics, and Semites were Israelites.
As for the lack of evidence for an Exodus from Egypt, I'll never understand why anyone thinks they can so easily dismiss the claim or confirm it as though they posses definitive proof.
Truth of the matter, they are all All people, asiatic, semitic, black, white, all people, they live today and die tomorrow. No chosen race or people (maybe the Nazis or kkk in your dreams) Sorry. I still feel emotional about maligning the greatest civilization on earth the ancient Egyptians in the fancy tale of Exodus. Envious Bedouin couldn't comprehend how people like the Egyptians built the pyramids, practiced medicine, etc.so the said in ignorance that's the work of the devil
@@key4144 every civilization that has ever existed has done absolutely horrible things to people. I've no idea why you'd imagine the Egyptians to be the sole exception.
@@dolby8334 '40 years' is certainly a stand-in for a long period of time exceeding some number of years. Multiple kings of antiquity had 40 year reigns that actually only lasted 12 or so. That said, no, there shouldn't be much expected to be found. What could be found? They established no permanent dwellings, the erected no lasting memorials. They never stayed in one place very long so any burials would be spread out over several hundred miles over a period of a good number of years. Bedouin tribes still traverse Sinai regularly and leave essentially no trace that lasts longer than a few weeks.
@@dolby8334 the tower of babel could well be the great ziggurat of Ur. Basically every historian says it would have been a ziggurat by the description and location. It's not even a slightly fanciful story, but a totally mundane one other than the claim that the reason the site was abandoned suddenly was from the languages being muddied. Yet we do have evidence of a large city containing a large ziggurat near Ur which was built, abandoned, and rebuilt and lived near off and on for centuries.
@@dolby8334 All we need is to say that the Exodus is plausible given the record we have, and it very much seems to be to me. What is for sure is we aren't going to find any Egyptian record of a great and sudden military or religious defeat by a bunch of hillbillies after the Hyksos period: they barely ever admitted to even losing to the Hittites or Babylonian empire, and they were huge military powers in the region. Even when they DO admit defeat they couch it as a moral victory by saying that they were exaggeratedly outnumbered but still almost won.
I guess that calling him a 'smart-arse' is 'over-the-top'. His explanations of 'biblical' myth is pretty interesting. I already had my understanding of legend and myth in these 'biblical' stories.
Let's just take from the Bible what we in the 21st century want to have happened and call these "remnants" "kernels of truth", or whatever sounds academically cool.
BTW, Canaan came from Ham but Israel was a descendant of Shem, according to the genealogy of Genesis 10. But, heck, why believe that piece of pseudo-history: We have ol' Joel here who really knows what happened despite no one he knows (or some 6-degrees-of-separation escape clause being activated) knows.
Next thing these guys will be telling us is that Jesus didn't physically resurrect from the dead or that when you die, as a Christian, you too won't be physically resurrected to spend eternity with Him.
I know right, and they'll probably also say that a global flood that required 3x the earth's water didn't happen or that the earth isn't flat or that it isn't 6000 years old but actually billions of years old or that thor doesn't exist or that the story of Atlantis, King Arthur and Robin Hood didn't happen or fairies don't exist or ghosts don't exist, etc.
Well how did the authors of the bible know what happened if they weren't there? How do you know that those unknown authors were telling the truth and they weren't writing myths and propaganda? If only there were methods to know what actually happened in history.
@@charlestownsend9280 Uhh?
@@charlestownsend9280 Uhh?
And not just that all of jacob sons even married to black people in the land of. Canaan
What about the presence of egypt in the levante? After the bronze age collapse they pulled out from the levante and left probably some egypt leaning city populations behind. And the mountain guys then pushed the upper crusties out or refrained from paying taxes what starved the city populations. Just an idea. Could be the beginning of a culture and time to create a foundation myth with adding some things to predate it further in the past.
Why is it considered "anti-Semitism" when one questions or critique the narrative of Jewish nationalism? Does that makes one an atheist if they question or critique the Bible or the Quran? To my understanding and the bible can back me up on this, but the original people of Canaan were Black African people and not Ashkenazi or Sephardic Jews.
Could what have been found been the code of Hammurabi? Genuine question. I have noticed a lot of similarities between some of Dut. and the Code of Hammurabi.
Seth Green has matured into a thoughtful man of letters since those silly movies in the ninties
What DNA evidence of “Israelites” from the Bible did they obtain to cross reference Canaanite DNA with? I generally agree, Canaanites did become Israelites, but there’s no evidence to cross reference with modern “Jewish” DNA with, making any claim speculative at best.
Genetics professor, Dr. Karl Skorecki admits that there is no genetic evidence of Israelites of the bible.
th-cam.com/video/OOeJr0z_01M/w-d-xo.html
i did read something where they proved jews were Canaanites through DNA...google it
" but there’s no evidence to cross reference with modern “Jewish” DNA with" yes there is
@@lookatmepleasesir Show me the “Israelite” DNA you claim to have.
People who grew up on Starbucks and Big Bang theory trying to comprehend what gave some people purpose when there was nothing. As if they have something better.
“Anti-Semitic freak shows.” He could have enlightened us or at least attempted to refute those claims instead of resorting to insults and ad-hominems, but antisemitism has become the common term thrown around a lot nowadays. It’s common for people to question how connected modern people are to their ancient forebears. People question whether Italians are descended from Romans, modern Egyptians from Ancient Egyptians, etc., all the time without being accused of bigotry.
Dr. Ugo Perego, a population geneticist, has genealogy that confirms he is a multigeneration Italian, but the DNA of his paternal genetic lineage is from a branch of the Asian/Native American haplogroup C. This likely means that, somewhere along the line, a migratory event from Asia to Europe led to the introduction of DNA atypical of Perego’s place of origin. If Perego and his family were to colonize an isolated landmass, future geneticists conducting a study of his descendants’ Y chromosomes might conclude that the original settlers of that landmass were from Asia rather than Italy. This hypothetical story shows that conclusions about the genetics of a population must be informed by a clear understanding of the DNA of the population’s founders. In the case you’re discussing here clear information of that kind isn’t unavailable.
The most pedantic complaint possible but set theory would dictate that all Israelites were Canaanites, not the other way around.
Lol, that is exactly what I came to the comments to say. It does make a pretty big difference in the way it is said. The way this looks is that Israel was before the Canaanites.
Sorry, that wasn't my intention.
@@MythVisionPodcast i know thats why i said its a very pedantic complaint lol.
@IbrahimIbnYusuf Agenda? Pfff... Let me guess... muslim/arab?
@Religion is Poisonous another minor pedantic correction - pheasants are birds, peasants are people
Omg, I luv it "Jonah is the biggest comedy" it's true 😆😂, and omg the many sermons I've heard from college educated folks taking it dead serious And we're their throwing our hands up, !I believe! Geez.. 🌈😂
They are too concerned with the basis of stories rather than the actual content of stories. For them, the stories are not as much meant to teach many layers of lessons, as rather to support their superstitious simplistic beliefs that make them feel more comfortable to shun strangers of "out-groups" and thus protect their previous in-group happiness in peaceful ignorance.
Obvious allegorie.
The book of Ruth is a diary about Ruth the ancestor of King David and give us an example of were King David would have gotten his Arab DNA and opens a window into how they would have handled matters in that time.
It's the Messiah linage, Ruth redeemed the Moabites by being married to Boaz who was a leader in the Tribe of Judah who were kinsman of the Moabites.
Book of Ruth: 9
Then Boaz announced to the elders and all the people, “Today you are witnesses that I have bought from Naomi all the property of Elimelek, Kilion and Mahlon. 10 I have also acquired Ruth the Moabite, Mahlon’s widow, as my wife, in order to maintain the name of the dead with his property, so that his name will not disappear from among his family or from his hometown. Today you are witnesses!”
11 Then the elders and all the people at the gate said, “We are witnesses. May the Lord make the woman who is coming into your home like Rachel and Leah, who together built up the family of Israel. May you have standing in Ephrathah and be famous in Bethlehem. 12 Through the offspring the Lord gives you by this young woman, may your family be like that of Perez, whom Tamar bore to Judah.”
@@ShafiqHusaynmusic it was Boaz who was the redeemer
I agree with Ralph Ellis that the Hyksos Shepherd Kings were Hebrews and the roots of the Exodus story is their expulsion from Egypt
Made up. "Shepherd Kings" was already made up by the Jews, just like their nonsense translation for the egyptian name "Moses". The correct translation would have been "foreign rulers" for "Hyksos" and "born" for "Moses".
The oldest (possible) evidence for Hebrew was a simple calendar from Gezer, dated to the late 10th century bce. The Hyksos expulsion ended with Ahmose (=Iah- Moses) conquering Canaan, where he had sieged and defeated the Hyksos at Scharuhen. His campaign didn't even end there but only when he reached the Euphrates. The Exodus story was therefore just stolen from the Egyptians and altered to fit some awful cult.
That's a far stretch, the Egyptians don;t seem to say a lot about the Hyksos but what they do say doesn't sound much like the Biblical Hebrews. I think it's more likely they were a different but related Canaanite or other Semitic people who favored the Hebrews because they needed local allies and they figured they'd be more loyal to fellow Semites than the Egyptians would.
@@brucetucker4847 There was no such thing as Hebrews yet in the time of the Hyksos.
All Canaanites were just Asiatics to the Egyptians. The Hyksos were eventually sieged and destroyed by Ahmose at Scharuhen, in Canaan.
@@reinercelsus8299 This "awful cult" has become a huge problem on a global scale and their unholy book 📖 has captured the minds of much of humanity. Yahweh/El was a tribal war god that many now accept as the God of the Universe thanks to the lies of this now global cult
@@reinercelsus8299 That first sentence is the subject of considerable debate. And I'm not talking about how the Egyptians related to or regarded the Hyksos and Hebrews, I'm talking about how the Hyksos and Hebrews might have viewed each other if both were in Egypt at the same time. of course it's speculative since we simply don't know much about either.
Studying archaeoloy and not finding evidence that aligns with what you want to believe, doesn’t make it wrong.
Shhhhh- for gods sake,don’t tell the Israelis- it’ll be our little secret ! But yeah,they have a British mandate..
It's pretty obvious that egyptian scribes not close to Pharoah were assigned to record persons and events in the levant after Kadesh and that they with their neighbours contrived the Old Testament. Avaris was a place to go make money; obviously.
The Egyptians and their cousins (the Phoenicians) played a MAJOR ROLE in the construction of what was later going to be known as Israel. The Phoenicians even built Salomon's Temple, this is said in the Bible/Torah itself. But this is semi-hidden history and no one wants to touch that subject. Why do you think we have Egyptian obelisks all over Europe, even in Washington DC, and there are pyramids and all seeing eyes (Ra/Horus) in the back of the dollar bill?... Lol. In fact, we all write in Egyptian today, the current alphabet is an adaptation of the Phoenician alphabet, that was nothing more than Egyptian hieroglyphs turned simple for commerce and administration.
@@tomasramirez4985 I was gonna mention Phoenicians, then i forgot and wondered "what was i gonna mention?" And here we are👍🍻🍻. Phoenician culture is the only culture that did NOT suffer a bronze age collapse *and* they taught writing publicly, which was an outlier. We bury or dead cuz Egypt.
@@mediocrates3416 Correct. Moreover, Phoenicians didn't suffer the Bronze Age Collapse because they were the ones that made it happen (in collusion with their Egyptian royal cousins who had been kicked out of Egypt a few decades before). The collapse was caused by the invasion of the Sea People. But who ruled the Mediterranean sea on those times? The PHOENICIAN NAVY. They had the cedar forests in Phoenicia, which allowed them to build the boats that were used by the Sea People during the invasions. And, to add more proof, not only the Phoenicians didn't suffer the collapse, but they THRIVED during it. There are archaeological records of the huge amount of silver that the Phoenicians were collecting in their vaults during the collapse itself.
@@tomasramirez4985 There's a book in that for sure! Cheers, Tomas; thx!
@@tomasramirez4985 Hrmmm... Any evidence wrt Rh factor?
The modern Lebanese are the living descendants of the Canaanites. Their DNA shows aprx. 95% Canaanite.
The secret is in the 18th dynasty. Hurrians. Starting from Yuya and Tjuyu ( Hurrians ) there daughter is Queen Tiye ( Hurrian ) who is the mother of Akhenaten.
In the Menerptah Stele the name"Hurru are Hurrians:
The Canaan has been plundered into every sort of woe
Ashkelon has been overcome;
Gezer has been captured;
Yano'am is made non-existent.
Israel is laid waste and his seed is not;
Hurru is become a widow because of Egypt.
Hurru ( some translation it's Kharu ) are Hurrians. Hurrians are Horites. Who are the Canaanites/Israelites.
The Armana letters reveals that the king of Jerusalem was a Hurrian:
The letters from Jerusalem (written as “Urusalim” in the Amarna texts) are from a Canaanite ruler named Abdi-Heba. He states that he is a “soldier for the king, my lord” and requests that the Egyptian monarch send him a messenger and some military men to help resist his enemies.
Akhenaten family line is Hurrian. Hurrians are Horites.
Horites are the mighty men of old.
Hor+ites=Hor/Horus/Heru + ites=followers of. Horites are followers of Heru.
Shemsu Hor
Akhenaten is a a Horite Hebrew.
His God, the Aten is Heru of Edfu.
Heru of Edfu is Heru Khuti
Heru Khuti is the Aten and the secret name of Ra. Hence his name is Ra Heru Khuti/Aten
This is the God of Aleister Crowley and Thelema. His name is Ra Hoor Khuit/Aten
Canaanites/Israelites are Hurrians=Horites.
Jesus is a Horite from the tribe of Judah
Judah+Tamar=Perez
This is a Horite line that takes you to Jesus the Horite:
The Horites, called Khar by the Egyptians, were ruler-priests who married chaste daughters of priests. Rahab of Jericho was the wife of Salmon the Horite, the Son of Hur (Hor). Salmon is called the "father of Bethlehem" in 1 Chronicles 2:54. Rahab became the grandmother of Boaz who married Ruth. Salmon (also Salma or Solomon) is a Horite name and is associated with Beit Lahna/Bethlehem and the Ephrathites (1 Chronicles 2:51). The evidence concerning David's ethnicity points to Kenites and Horites who intermarried.
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↑ Gerhard von Rad, Genesis: A Commentary, trans. by John H. Marks (Philadelphia: Westminster Press, 196 1), p. 104. -
Yahweh is a Horite God from Seir/Edom/Horites. Shasu of Yahweh
Job was a Horite from the land of Uz/Oz
If Noah's Ark lands on Mt Ararat life had to begin in that region which is Hurrians.
Horites
I got to check that out it just sound right
'Isaiah' is compiled from a lot more than two sources. Chapters 24-27, for example, is clearly from a much later time than the surrounding context of Chapters 1-36.
Kanaan was ruled by Egypt until the Hittite war, after that they became independent and Israel eventually formed. It's easy to imagine that they would have remembered that as if they left Egypt, not the other way around.
No Exodus like described in the Bible, but maybe two smaller 'exoduses' took place: The first one would have been the ousting of Aten's monolastric priests (and their fellowship) when the Amarna period ended, giving birth to what would be the Jewish faith centuries later. This was a theory espoused by Carl Jung (or was it Freud?). The second 'exodus' would have happened during the Bronze Age Collapse, as the population from Canaan's coasts were pushed to the hills because of the disorders and the raids of the Sea People, thus giving strength to what would be known as Israel/Judah.
Except Israeli archeologists have proven the Israelites were just another tribe of Canaanites living in the hills
The Canaanites were direct descendants of the Philistines, who were the native inhabitants of the so-called promised land. The Hebrews did not escape. They were virtually kicked out for they were taking over Egypt's commerce and trade operations. Egyptians were living the big, easy life since they were the owners of the richest lands, and left the agriculture for the poor and the grain industry to the Hebrews, who were the best administrators of the land. They didn't know the term nationalization. They just expelled the Hebrews. Joseph was a myth, Moses was a copy from other old legends. By the way, What the hell inspired Moses to cross the Red Sea in order to get to the promised land? He just had to go north and turn left at the sea. No need to go harassing and killing nomad tribes for 40 years.
There was no Moses.
@@tarhunta2111 There you have it!! But keep the secret. Lots of money in movies, bibles and children's stories are in peril.
The Natufian were the original inhabitants of Palestine, followed by a Philistines.
@@rebecavillanova7622 Yeah, and before them, there were the Neanderthals, and before them, the amoebas. But none of them claimed the region as promised land...
What is even going on in this thread. The Philistines were a group of sea people invaders, even the Egyptians documented them. The professor would agree.
Moses and Joseph were legendary characters, it's impossible to determine whether they existed.
All the stories about an exodus are probably a myth.. the Jews were probably just Canaanites who created a narrative in order to unite the land.
The Amarna Tablets. Letters from the Canaanite Kings of Tyre, Damascus, Lakish. To the Pharoah in Egypt begging for military support against the Hapiru and the Abir. During the period of the Conquest.
And yes, the descendants of Abraham in Egypt are not genetically very different from the Canaanite peoples, some of whom are descendants of Esau and the daughters of Lott.
Where their captive Semitic people in Egypt who had Jehovah / Yahweh as their God? The Suswa tablets / Stella of which there are two known examples clearly state in hieroglyphics. “The wandering peoples those belonging to Jehovah” and depict a captive male figure who could easily be seen as a Hebrew or Canaanite or most probably a Hyksos.
The Hyksos, a people of some influence in Egypt who eventually became viewed as a threat and left Egypt in a single night and migrated north into the land of Canaan. Their graves have a disproportionate number of women indicating that something happened to their male population. ( the male children being killed by Pharoah would correlate). The Lament of Ipwyr( sp) . Parallels to the exodus account. Was there a man who was elevated ( drawn up ) from the common peoples into the Pharonic Households who became prominent, educated, influential who was adopted by Pharoah and Pharoah’s daughter? Shenmut ( name means Mothers Brother) was a viceroy of Hatshepsut who disappears from the Egyptian record at about age 40 although he once commanded half the Egyptian Army and was educated in “ all the knowledge of the Egyptians “. He was drawn up ( Moses) from the common people as a child .
Was there a prominent non Egyptian who was given a tract of land in Egypt as a reward for his service to Egypt whose family inherited at a time of Egyptian consolidation of economic power? Yes , that land is adjacent to the Wadhi Yousef (An artificial Canal named presumably for its builder Joseph). Whose tomb has been found and is empty ( like the Exodus account claims).
Ruth. Why would the book of Ruth be preserved or even written? It is about a woman from a foreign people ( a Moabites not a Jew) if anything it would not be in Israel’s national interest to have story about a prominent Jewish man who marries a foreign widow and has just one son. This story has zero value unless it is to preserve a record of GOD’s agenda . The evidence for the Davidic line of Jesus. And to demonstrate that God also favors the Non Jew who loves Him.
I find this entire interview to be just the opinion of one il educated Athiest and nothing more.
I believe the israelites as a people were created around 600 BC, perhaps a renegade priestly class came in from Babylon and invented a histroy and religion for the people in the Canaan region mixing in some local mythos, then they built the "Second" Temple with Persian support and the rest is history, even could have been a way for Persia to have control of the trade routes in the Levant
Joel 'crazy talk' Baden.
Israelites and canaanites intermingled and reproduced however they are not of the same blood line.
Why do we never hear the Egyptian side of the story???
Because there isn't one. Egypt does not have the same mythology, and the Exodus is myth. It's kind of like asking why we never hear the Titans' side of the story of the war with the gods.
Cause they drowned in the sea and their bones miraculously vanished.
...because you don't study egyptian history...there's lots of it...much of it being how we can discount the biblical myths...
@@jymbo1969 🤣🤣
No other people, Egyptians, Hittites, Assirinans, Babalonions ever noticed the exodus.
Please fix the title:
Israelites were Canaanites not the other way around
this guy was like having like trouble like putting his like thoughts like together....lol
There’s quite a bit of information in the Torah, that science has recently been able to uncover.
For example, the circumcision on the 8th day law. Around 1957, medical science found that vitamin k, was at its highest on the 8th from birth. Not the 7th, nor the 9th, but exactly 8.
That’s just one example, there are many more.
Were the ancient people more advanced than we give them credit for?
Ancient people were not dumb. Middle age Europe screwed the western view of history, so we see the past with the lens of "they are dumb and we are smart, because the age of light is cleary better than the dark ages". Hebrews could already figured out this what you said, or maybe is a coincidence, but they are not stupid
Israelites today are Europeans. Only European fulfill every single biblical prophecy. Each and every one. They’re a seafaring people (world navigation and exploration and a vast navy), farming (till the land) is in their history, the field of science - medicine - inventions - machinery - manufacture -industry - education - civilization - government, and will be a blessing to the nations. Only European history fulfills the prophecies. Very important the Bible says the scepter shall never depart Judah. !00% fulfilled with Jesus Christ. He sits on the thrown. However Abraham was promised he would have kings as descendants. The kings would come from the house of Ephraim (England and the USA Birthright Blessing or double portion - Ephraim means to be fruitful) and Manasseh ((modern day France). However Kings will also came from Zarah-Judah but not to the same extent. Modern day Europeans don’t know who they truly are. Manasseh literally means, he will be forgetful. Isaiah also says they will not remember their true identity. It’s hard to identify who exactly is who and what modern nation is what. Ephraim was given the Birthright Blessing. Kings would come from him. Take Australia for example. It was once just an English penal colony called Botany Bay. Now it’s a thriving nation! He will be fruitful. Always. Now Isaiah say Ephraim (England) will eat Manasseh (France)and Manasseh eat Ephraim but they’ll both devour Judah. For that reason, I think Germany may be the davidic line of Judah. Now keep in mind and don’t get confused with the Germanic tribes as the Germanic tribes peoples populated may parts of Europe and especially England. When you consider the Napoleonic Wars, The Thirty Years’ War, and especially WW2, things start to add up. This is just a snippet. I can speak volumes to this. Now he’s partially correct about the denizens of modern day Israel. They’re sons of Esau or Edomites with Canaanite blood. Edomites intermarried with Canaanites heavily. The also intermarried with the Kenites, the patronym of Cain, or the sons of Cain.
About the 4th question......Why you don't talk about Simeon the Just and the Elephantine letter.
In reference of Bernart Barc it is Simeon who wrote the Tanakh without the book wrote by Niheni (Ezra have no archeological or documentary existence...so a fictional charactere)
The length of this video 16 minutes is perfect for me.
When was Ruth written?Wasn't Ruth put in the bible to give Jesus' line thru David?
What about the mixture of the "Sea People" and Canaanites forming the Philistine people who were the original population of the area that is today called Gaza? I know they were not Arabic, but are the palestinians in that region related to them? Or, were the Philistines replaced by other people and gone forever?
GAZA was an Egyptian fortress city it was occupied by Egyptians. They settled the Philistines there as a buffer.
Modern day Gazans have nothing to do with Phillistines - they are @_rab through and through.
Modern day Gazans have nothing to do with Phillistines - they are @_rab through and through.
What he’s saying can easily be researched and he’s not lying…we’re living in a world of vast information easily accessible via computers and libraries
I think Myth vision and your patrons and subscribers would enjoy listening to Professor Emeritus Rami Arav.
Have you heard of someone being too smart for their own good? My opinion is that “This guy is one of them”! Be aware that he often says “I think” and “probably” shows that even his years of education does not solidify his theories. He has no more or no less information to research than we have. His resolve is what makes sense to him. My problem is that if he’s teaching this in a institution of higher learning then students are being conditioned to take in someone’s opinion as truth. This interview is no more than a result of unique comprehension but no way should be taken as being factual.
He comes across as pompous. 6 minutes in and I already know this interview is a complete waste of time.
Lack of evidence result in suppositions so “I think” and “probably” means in his opinion are others scholars that can reject or debate some of his arguments. In the lack of any evidence his point of view and others is what he teach. No one is conditioned , you read and learn all the angles on a problem and form your own point of view. As an academic nobody hold the truth look at Troy example are nine excavation sites no one can truly say this is the Troy of Homer and the accuracy of the events even less chances to be proved so just because they found Troy that means all the events described are real? If this is the logic then be my guest start praying at Zeus & Co.
There is a numbers problem here…whether it matters or not will depend on the particular doctrine but….if the Kohen haplotype J is in fact the direct lineage of Aaron who was in fact a direct paternal descendant of Jacob’s son Levi…..that would mean the Kohen haplotype is the progenitor clade of all 12 tribes of Israel. All 12 bothers share the same father and would therefore share the same Haplotype clade…..which would be J…..
The problem is…the overwhelming majority of world Jewry today do not carry that paternal clade or even a downstream version of it…. and therefore it would be simply impossible that they would be tribal descendants of Israel. Matrilineal descent is a later invention. Torah itself makes it absolutely clear that children inherited their tribal status from their father’s tribe, not their mother. Inheritance is passed down patrilineally.
Genetics can be a scary topic for ethnic-religious communities because it quickly brings into question “On what authority do you……since you are not actually related to these men?”
It’s also a tricky conversation in Judaism because one would have to admit that Hashem intended to give everything promised specifically for Abraham’s male line to a bunch of unrelated men who “converted” since those foreign men’s progeny is what actually makes up the bulk of Jewry today…not the progeny of the actual direct descendants of Jacob’s 12 sons. It was inconceivable in Torah for tribes to even give their ancestral land to their brother tribes much less hand it over to the children of foreign men that lived among them. Yet…based on the genetic landscape of groups claiming to be the descendants of these biblical people…..that is exactly what is happening….a turning over of Hashem’s promises for Jacob’s sons based on the promise he made with Abraham and Isaac…being handed over to the children of unrelated men.
Even more jarring with the genetics conversation is that….no matter which clade in modern Jewry you choose to be the literal “direct paternal line”…you’re going to have that exact same conundrum. The promises Adonai deliberately made with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob’s seed…being given to the seed of other men. 😅
If there was no exodus, how do you explain the fact that the Egyptians have a record of the exodus actually happening?
Source?
Anti-semitism does not mean bigotry against Jews. It means bigotry against Middle Eastern people. Semitic does not mean Jewish it means Middle Eastern. And not everyone in the Middle East is Jewish. If you want to talk about bigotry against Jews you should use the term Judaeo-Phobia.💙
10:49 David didn't follow everything exactly. He coveted Bathsheba, laid the machinations that got her husband killed and all so he could impregnate her with Solomon out of wedlock... and still he was YHWHs boi,thus displaying YHWHs divine favoritism. Not that any of this happened in actuality, but I felt it necessary to put a pin in. Love the content.
According to the story, the mamzer baby died & Shlomo was Batsheva's the next child...
David repented
He didn't say David was sinless. He wrote an entire book about what a scumbag David was. He said he followed the Deuteronomistic charge perfectly. That is: You can only worship Yahweh, and you can only sacrifice in one location (Jerusalem)
Only David, Hezekiah, and Josiah follow these rules
The story of Moses and the story of Noah are both found in the Mahabharata and are far older, under different names .
Abrahams wife was Sara
A Brahma , his consort? Saraswati
Come now
It’s pretty obvious what happened here.
the Israeli were a group of the canneites
I don't why this never happened before but in this video, his voice and mannerisms are seeming so similar to Richard Carrier to me!
That is genius in second Kings they were giving Deuteronomy provenance. Promoting Deuteronomy!
Around 25: Yeah but me and billions before me grew up with people we trusted telling us that we needed to have faith that every word in the Bible was from the hand of God. Yikes I sure hope Christianity can make it past the age of Wikipedia.. well wiktionary is probably the biggest hurdle I’m thinking. The worst mistake Islam or Christianity could have done was to reject that there could be more to the story and that there would not be any more prophets.
This guest is the man of ten thousand “likes”. He says forty likes in every sentence.
Derek, please get Jason the Dragon in Genesis back on the show.
Like is just an interjection, no? it means something about how one is not "directly" comparing but still noting similarities... Using it too much would still get annoying though.
@@letsomethingshine My point exactly.
Thanks for warning me. All this “liking” is an American tic we can do without
I agree with the rest of the ppl. YES!! Have mr Joel the brain back! Good show
We need more Jews on the show because they don't christian-sugar-coat things to the point that it sounds like everyone is still going to Church on Sundays
Speaking to Ruth being a myth and she is not a myth. It is because he would have to ad it their was and still is an Moabite nation outside of Israel and Judah. I wonder
The Christian religion is based on a book written by people of another religion, and yet they reject most of God's laws in that book and claim that the people who still follow that book, but not the follow up edition are going to hell.
Craziness 😅
My ADMITTEDLY armchair idea was that the Exodus was made up during the Babylonian Exile to keep their spirits up. Kinda a "Hey, we've been through this before and at the hands of a greater empire! So if we keep our spirits up God will provide" or something like that. Maybe Moses was a culture hero who got placed in the story with some additions based on Sargon(?).
However, I'm not a scholar and this is based purely on my own casual study. I've got no idea if there's any evidence of the story of the Exodus existing before the Exile and have regularly lamented that I'm not sure what pre-Exile Judaism looked like.
White Europeans believes middle eastern fables but not their own.
You mean “their own” as in Greek and German mythology, for example?
Love Joel Baden. My hero :-)
Mine also!
I’m really curious to hear what Joel Baden has to say about the Mount Ebal structure or the hundreds of Bedouin sites in the early Iron Age in Canaan, which most scholars today considered to be the early origins of the Israelites. These same sites were found near or in the Jordan valley. If these same people groups made sites near or in the Jordan valley and if they are Israelites, it could suggest that they are outsiders rather than indigenous Canaanites.
Genetic evidence shows that Canaanites and Hebrews are the same people. Some Christian archaeologists working in Israel are not worried about finding the truth but just confirming aspects of their faith.
@@sebastiaosalgado1979 but yet we have scriptural evidence that Israel intermarried with the Canaanite people when they came in the land. So no real problem there.
There is evidence for the Exodus.
No there isn't....not one shred.
Such as? I've not seen any, there's no evidence of a large slave population in Egypt, no evidence of that population migrating on mass, or the famines, plagues and mass death of first borns, no evidence of all the Israelites living in a small desert for 40 years, no evidence of the fall of jerico, etc. Not to mention that the story has the Israelites getting lost in a desert that they can make a single fill line of people across and they escaped from Egypt to an area that at the time was occupied by Egypt.
Wasn't the end of the Canaanites and the rise of the Israelites due mainly to the late bronze age collapse?