This guy has 80% bots on his stream with a message per minute in his chat lower than is normaly in a 2k viewer stream, yet with bots he has 12k+ .this guy is a scam and a porate indeed.
Thors right its fine to not like a game but faking points to make people agree with you is a shity thing to do. If you have to fake evidence to support your point, your point has already lost.
@@goprochef6352 nothing, pirate viewers are just soft for the most part. cause like even if a comment is hurtful, it drives engagement up and makes the vid that was commented on do better in the algorithm. so it all evens out anyways and the person being harassed benefits.
Or at least that they think it wouldn't, but I don't think we really know what the actual complaint would be? Unless narc has said some other shit I haven't seen. Bottom line never lie just own up to your real opinions, it's just that easy.
I think his problem was he felt pigeonholed into AoC content and wanted out. And this was the only way he could think of getting out while not losing all of his viewers.
Which to me is wild, because you can just say "I don't like it because I just don't like it." Yeah people might want or appreciate more nuance, but sometimes there is no true nuance. Sometimes "I don't like it," is enough. You don't gotta do a 30 minute diatribe or even a couple sentences. Like, why waste the time and energy manipulating perspectives like Narc did? That's just weird and childish behavior. Just say you don't like it and move on with your life. It's like they want to wallow in hatred rather than just find something they actually enjoy.
@@DeaganDunne Well, that I get, I've been on the situation where the "I don't want to" or "I don't like it" makes people harass me into giving a "complete" answer or a "believable" reason, I've BS'd many, many, many times because people can't leave me alone, even if the subject doesn't matter anymore, people keeps on asking "why didn't you?" or "you should go back to it" or "you should had done it diferently". This type of harassment doesn't make me want to enjoy those things, it makes me hate them more and more and more. Now, do it to a stable person and they will find a way to get over it, from an "I don't care, I won't give you a reason" to a real reason or even a smart BS... but do it to an unstable person and they will do something like Narc... AT LEAST. I'm not saying he should be free of guilt because he had a reason or exuse to do it, but life is more nuanced than "this person just wants to wallow in hatred" or "this person wants to cause harm just because"
I was fooled by Narc's video initially. I hadn't taken a serious look at the game in over 5 years so as someone skeptical I was primed for Narc's message. It felt good to pat myself on the back and say "Yeah I was right, I'm not like these idiots who support the game." then I watched you play this game and saw Steven's video and realized how much Narc had to manipulate to be correct. There he was in Phase 1, him and all of his more convinced audience, saying "They promised the desert would get more love and look at this!" while staring out the edge of the map.
Right, it's that easy to lie to people who want to believe you. Even when you don't intend to as well Thor can make mistakes from time to time and his opinion needs not be your opinion. That's why his default answer to "should I buy this" is "don't outsource your critical thinking to me".
@@hearthseeker2425 " it felt good to pat myself on the back" This is one of the most annoying problems with internet culture today. People are brainwashed into patting themselves on the back at all costs rather than just observing reality and reacting to it without exaggerated emotions. It's becoming more and more common, too. Esp with gamers for some reason.
@@OsmosisMaple you dont have to buy it. Just wait for release if u don't wanna pay. Its optional, no one is putting gun to your head. If you dont like the price, then just font purchase. Hard concept to grasp, i know.
@@OsmosisMaple There's no elephant in the room. Everyone knows what it is. Everyone knows what you're getting. There's no questions there. Doing it this way does two things. 1) helps generate some form of cash flow while they continue development. 2) generally people who REALLY like these kinds of games are going to be the ones spending the money on it and are going to be willing to test the hell out of the game and report issues. That's what they're hoping for so the final, polished, finished product is actually that much better.
Thanks Thor for reminding us not to attack another creator. I’ve been that lesser person in the past and it doesn’t feel good after. Also it’s just sucky behavior.
It's also just much better to not engage with rage-bait content at all. Because that's what it's "supposed" to do - generate engagement for the channel, have people coming in and commenting "you're wrong and you're a piece of shit!" But if you just watch Thor and ignore the original video completely - that video will just disappear into irrelevancy and TH-cam algorithm gods will say "nah, we will not show it to others, nobody's interested"
I'm sorry but we've got to stop with this nonsense. Actions have consequences and if the consequences of your actions are people calling you out for being a dick then so be it. Enough with the mollycoddling.
@@mikerelf Pirate said on his stream he's not gonna make a video/short about Narc video because he doesn't want to give it attention citing the same reasons as you So idk why he decided to change his mind
so he lost the vote for mayor, the timing of him raging and losing the vote to be a mayor is pretty close. This might be a straight up temper tantrum for not being picked lol. He didn't do a good job the first time, even if he had streamer privilege if you're a shit mayor ppl aren't going to vote for you.
As an old Star Wars Galaxies player, yes showing my age.. This game is amazing and brings back that kinda vibe. I wish nothing but the best for this dev team and excited to play on launch.
yeah now that you mention it I do get the feeling of old School SWG from what I have seen of this game, hopefully they can actually stick the landing and live up to the potential it has
Yeeeeeeeees! SWG was and is amazing. I still go back and play for a couple months each year on the private servers. I get hammered with nostalgia and it’s still just as fun as I remember.
My take on the Narc's thing is that he tried to get something from the Ashes developers, say become some kind of main CC or some promo or become some brand embassador thing, was denied, so he did that video as a retaliation
@@Skeeters_Lint Which is weird because the last video I saw for him besides the one where he trashes the game, and Stephen was when he flew up on top of the tower and interacted with Stephen in a playful manner
@@nawab256 He didn't like the way they started to downplay what the alpha test was gonna be, also when they stopped selling the 250$ packages only to later sell the Alpha keys.
When I saw that desert shot I was kind of like, "Does he just not understand how dunes look?" I chocked it up to him just expecting some kind of extraordinary fantastical dunes or something, because yea, dunes are just sweeping hills of empty sand.
yeah also does he forget what an Alpha of a game is, like the instant I saw his clip I could tell that was an unfinished placeholder area which is something you would expect to find in a game that's over a year away from release
@@amythistxue1 Yea this is an even better point. Yea, I think he was well aware that the region was also not finished. I've heard a few people say that they believe he was mad because he expected to jump into the game and have some kind of authority and notoriety due to his history of support, and Thor and his guild pretty much took over the server and gained primary notoriety within the space. Now that I see how much is available in the desert and how he angled that camera to show that unfinished desert, I'm starting to believe them, as he seems to be trying to really do some damage with that video; it definitely seems malicious.
I blame all the pre-release, early accesses, and """beta releases""" from AAA companies. They have destroyed the common person's understanding of development.
Right? I remember playing in a WoW expansion Beta. It was mostly for testing the server but not everything was in place. I remember I glitched out the game so hard, the game thought I had a mount active at all times so my move speed was insane. Was flying around the map. Was very funny and broken. Also the textures were wonky and were really bad. Then it was released and everything that was an issue was fixed. I never expect a perfected game until it is fully released. With MMOs I also expect things to get updated constantly due to people finding issues. People just need to relax and enjoy the Alpha or just wait and play the game when it is fully released.
How long is this ALPHA excuse going to last? Another 3 years? 5 years? 10 years? It's been 8 YEARS since the game has been in development and they are promising OVER 18 biomes. How many biomes has been FULLY COMPLETED in 8 Years? Please tell me
Narc is the British DSP. Has no clue on game dev, can't control his emotions and streams.himself eating junk food with his mouth open. I declare him hence forth as NarcSydePhil !
(As many people gasp, I sigh, raise my page's horn, sounds it once) Let it be known that Lordy Rich has delivered... the Burn. (Quieter) Well done, your Lordyship, I missed that one.
A lot of people really do not grasp what the concept of an alpha is. take Baldur's gate for example, I played the alpha up until launch and the amount of changes not just as it progressed but also from the last alpha patch to the full release build the changes were immense. everything they show in the alpha is only part of what they have and are working on, and the stuff they show you is not a finished product, if you are buying into the alpha there's no point in whining about it being an incomplete game, you literally paid to play it that way.
@@madlinkers8595Actual testers = their job. Do you have to actually do anything as a tester? Was it not laid out very clearly what you were purchasing? Self respect is important. Have respect for the work others do is just as important.
@@madlinkers8595I think self respect comes with arguing in good faith. Which you aren't doing. There is no deception about you being a tester if you buy into it. Early Access is not a new concept. It has been around for so so so long now.
01:45 ehm call me crazy but that looks like one of the areas in Star Wars the old republic mmo, not even joking, really looks like one of the places on tat. i know sand plains in SWTOR has a few flat area's.
@fictitiousbrain1097 I'm not really sure just from his hit piece and the stuff he was saying when talking to asmond I got the sense that he had this sudden like worry that he was somehow lying to his audience. And had some kind of moral dilemma. I'm honestly haven't even heard of the guy until I stumbled onto him talking to asmond.
@@fictitiousbrain1097 If your had been watching his streams he turned negative on them about a year ago when they kinda started to downplay peoples expectation on the alpha test.
It seems like all parties were being somewhat dishonest. Steven said the desert expansion was going to be ready at phase 2 launch. It wasn't. The expansion was what Narc showed and it wasn't ready at all. Narc is dishonest because he showed the incomplete expansion and basically tried to play it off as if it was the entire biome whilst not showing where the biome begins, which was more detailed. Now Thor is being dishonest because he waited until the dunes got more detail added in and is trying to pass it off as if it looked like that the entire time when it did not look like that at the beginning of phase 2.
Or, maybe it wasn't ready, because of setbacks, doesn't make it a lie, for it to be a lie, they would have had to know when they made the announcement that it wouldn't have been ready and I would bet the remaining balance of my bank account, that their timeline reckoned it would be ready, something or multiple things happened that made that not the case and instead of wasting time making a PR note, they just got on with fixing/making it
@@AcridCrowd I agree. I really don't care for the level of dishonesty I'm seeing about this game from all sides - Narc, Steven, and now Thor. I guess now I just have access to a game I don't want access to anymore, and did so primarily on the word of Thor. I guess I'll stick to playing WoW for the time being, and just....not give either of these parties my time. It really sucks, but I'm glad I'm not the only one that feels this way.
@@anarchistkobold4375 Narc’s had numerous chances to be an integral part of the AoC community. He has seemingly chosen to be a troll. Is what it is. Thor is bis
I think its important to clarify whats wrong about the vod of narc and in the same time not attackin him as a person. This VOD does exactly this, thank u.
Narcs content has always been: No new Info, stuff he stole from other creators or reddit or drama. I used to make content for Ashes for a good amount of years sicne 2017, had a podcast, interviewed steven a bunch of times. Then he went after another creator, I spoke my mind and narcs community started sending out death threats to me and others for speaking out. Steven backed him up back then so this whole situation is really funny to me. I wouldnt be suprise me if he comes back in a few month, with a title I WAS WRONG. You saying to not go after narc, shows the difference in creators. He used to be the entertaining guy, having stevens face on his junk, but now he has to compete with others. So personally I think this whole thing is just for attention. Give it a few weeks than he will be back..... sadly.
Sending death threats to someone for criticizing a creator you like is psycho behavior. I feel like that says a lot about Narc's fanbase, as well as Narc himself...
@@LookingGlass1865 Narc received a Copystrike from another creator, a legit one, all right and proper and instead of being professional he made a hit piece calling the other creator out, leaving out a lot of info. Steven Sherif the n backed Narc up without knowing everything, which than caused Narcs Community to go bad shit crazy. Send picutres of family members to creators, threating them etc. So yeah Narc and Steven going at each other for me is just funny.
@@GrinningJack Either way his community is just trash and in general horrible human beings, there's a couple good people in there but most are just horrible people. His discord was the most toxic and hateful place I've ever seen, some members went out of their way to just be assholes.
Do not make up things to criticize, especially if something deserves to be criticized. If a game is terrible and the developers are scamming people, the worst thing you could do is attack it for things that aren't true, because whenever someone learns that it's getting maligned for falsehoods they won't believe the real criticisms.
@@barrettbirks1058 "didn't have footage of the new stuff." What? Is that the problem? Like, the WHOLE point? Narc lied about the footage he was showing, claiming it was current, up-to-date footage, and AoC is a scam because the stuff Thor just showed us is not in the game.
Alpha is pretty fun but keep your expectations low - remember it is not a game, it is an Alpha test. Steven tells everyone to expect "game breaking bugs, incomplete content, systems that don't work, etc..." --- I myself have had hours of fun on the Alpha so far. At the same time, I have run into a bunch of bugs. Even so, it reminds me of Original Vanilla WoW... I am exploring the world with wonder, venturing into the unknown and discovering and making my own fun.
I'm glad you made this video as I am not that invested in keeping up with everything, but I saw segments of his video and felt like AoC wasn't good at all and it's good to see what's actually out there in a short 5 minute video.
So the section from Narc's video is at the center of the node when it is level 0 so it is intentionally empty because those areas are replaced by the node as it levels.
@@ProblyTaco yeah if he truly thought he encountered something unfinished that should be done he should have bug reported not post a TH-cam video, but I think it was proven he did this in bad faith
I watched that video. I think Narc got pigeonholed into AoC content and didn't want to make it anymore. So he did the most dramatic thing he could while echoing everything he has heard from the vocal AoC haters. He sounded just like they have for the last 8 years. That way, even though he was quitting AoC content creation, he could gain AoC haters as viewers so that his numbers don't dip hard when all the AoC lovers leave his channel.
Yeah to be honest that kinda lingered in the back of my mind too as a potential reason why he made that video. I know he's stated before that he's burned out on making AoC content so it kinda made too much sense to me to ignore that's likely the reason why he put together a hit piece was to try to make a play at keeping his current viewer base and income while getting them interested in whatever content he switches to.
This is how I see it: I don't think it's "angry for the sake of being angry." Because that's just someone who wants to be pissed off because they just really want to be pissed off. No real reason behind it, they just want to feel that way. As someone who doesn't have patience myself, I can get pretty upset at games and their difficulty. I've been getting back into Helldivers 2 recently and I prefer to solo it. Re acclimated on medium and then went to challenging. ONE level up, and it feels like I went to level 6 at times. Still solo, because I'm weird like that. I am getting better, but there are moments where it feels like the game just doesn't want me to play. I know why I have that feeling, before I get replies about "play on public" or "lower the difficulty" I KNOW... I bring this up to say: I have a pretty strong feeling that this isn't to be mad at the game just to be mad at something. This is an active attempt to sabotage the game's integrity because he got too salty at it. Because some people feel like they just HAVE to win.
Take off that hat, because you ain't capping. You know what you're doing and are honest about why and how it makes you feel. Narc here is an angry guy who needs others to join him. I respect you ten times more than anyone Thor might turn a critical eye on.
@masterlinktm I bet that's the case. Sounds more probable than a super rage quit. But if him trying to "escape" making that content is what's happening, then, obviously, being honest about it would've been better. I can see this current direction be for keeping viewership a little longer, but a very special... "condiment"... I used to watch is very disingenuous in his game reviews, and that just left a very raw taste in my mouth after the fact. Now he barely gets past 30k at times. This guy is going to end up the same way. Being up front and honest will always be better because at least then you're setting the expectations you want people to have. And they could always come back without that terrible after taste.
@@Rybear1977 It is a well know thing that changing content as a creator, can kill your channel. Especially, when your channel was entirely built on single thing. And here is the dirty truth, it just might have been better for him to have done it this way. There is no real way to ever really know if it was in fact better, but there is some sound reasoning for it being a potential good choice for him. Reason being, he was always going to lose the AoC diehards when leaving AoC content creation. As such, making it absolutely clear he is abandoning everything AoC and making himself look like a "good person" while doing it; allows him to instantly shed all the people who might spend the next 6 months nagging him to make AoC content. Which can wear down a person's mental. Something that might have happened already. Then It also allows him to court the AoC haters as new viewers. Then forever doubters that have been calling AoC a scam since day 1. These people will not care that he might have lied about things. And for everyone else, well the normies aren't paying that much attention and won't see videos like Thor's. They will either not care about the lies or never know they were. You say he isn't breaking 30k views, but 30k views is a lot. And had he just been honest and all that he might have lost even more. Without gaining any outside viewers. People have short memories these days. By this time next year, people will have long forgotten this kerfuffle, and it will mean nothing.
the problem is that once you give facts that aren't true or you are disingenuous that makes, at least for me, anything else that gets put up as unreliable. I refuse to believe that he didn't know what he was doing with old footage when he knows its being worked on as he is filming it.
Thor being an advocate for not only the Devs or the rest of the community is what we need more of today. Even with all the hate and prejudice he doesn’t change his stance and doubles down by taking the time to explain to the masses.
As someone who had heavy beef with Steven from playing against him in an MMO prior to him starting Ashes of creation…. I wish him the best. His mmo may fill that itch needed in this time
It would make sense for the desert to be empty, because it is the desert, meaning it's abandoned, forsaken, dry region... Would it be fun in game? Depends on how it's done, but from what I see here, it looks cool.
I actually bought Ashes Wave 2, after seeing asmongold video of narc/steve/and you. And damn, i'm having fun, despite the bugs/lags. It is a slow progress(leveling) MMORPG and i was missing that. it is fun to play it and to see it grow at the same time. I see it like a Series, where you have a character and you see how it grows as a person/personality/emotional/etc in each episode that goes by. I like that a lot. And they are very active in doing updates. I apreciate a lot Thor for your videos, really like your personality. Big hug from Portugal.
was looking forward to your video response...one thing with you that really drew me to you is the way you handle sponsors. Your not like OTK and vtubers who take all the sponsorships in the world, sell a lie and dip. You don't promote gamersupps to viewers who are buying energy powders when sitting on their pc all day fapping to shylily. Great to see your honesty and I hope you don't change!
@peachypet808 brother. Someone who has to go to the lengths of being disingenuous to get a point across. Can guarantee they aren't being empathetic. Empathy is showing reality along with the prices so that viewers can make their own decisions based on their own finances.
Damn man…I feel like a fool now. I did NOT think this would turn out to be false. Yet here it is. This desert is looking NOT barren. It looks like I’m going to have to have YT stop recommending his content now:(
Man its crazy that we live in age where people are quick to judge anything by just watching one video from a person they just met. Man people need to learn to search information first before they can judge.
i definetly think narc was misrepresenting the desert, and im not a player, but was his problem not, that the new expansion was that flat area? So was the entire desert with the good looking part part of said expansion, or was it actually the sand part, that was the expansion. i still dont fully understand what is correct.
I'm really disappointed with the graphics in Ashes of Creation. For a game that's been in development for so long, I expected way better. Some textures look flat and lifeless, and the character models seem outdated. It feels like they’re relying too much on the hype instead of delivering a visually stunning experience. If this is what we’re getting, I’m seriously worried about the final product.
@salder5893 I agree with you that the graphics aren't the best. But 2 things I want you to consider are that graphics don't make a good game, the graphics to me are fine because playing the fans is enjoyable in the current state. The second thing is that on their road map polishing graphic to make everything look better is something that will come at the very end of the alpha because d designing the game is more important than how it looks.
@@UltraDinte While I understand your perspective, I have to disagree. Graphics do matter a lot in gaming. They contribute significantly to the overall experience and immersion. If a game looks outdated or poorly designed, it can detract from the enjoyment, even if the gameplay is solid. Players often expect a certain level of visual quality, and if that’s lacking, it can lead to frustration and disappointment. While gameplay is crucial, the visual presentation is also an essential part of what makes a game appealing. Ignoring graphics can make it harder to attract and retain players.
I was hoping to see your reaction to that. I'm glad that my doubt in his claim has actually been justified. Serious thanks for showing the biome. Although I don't play AoC I'd really like the game to succeed. I bet this short video really will impact that 🔥
This kind of stuff just reminds me of the game theory Heartbound situation, spinning a story for views is just not the way to go about it, I wish more people understood the value of respecting other peoople by being honest, nobody's gonna go on a witch hunt if you just say you don't like the game, why the lie? Also thank you for reminding your community not to harass this person despite their disingenuous video.
Why you lying? even an uneducated person knows you are being disengenious with this video. Anyone who makes a 5 minute video about 2 seconds of another video that also has muted audio and we supposed to believe you about what someone else said? you are such a liar it's so obvious.
The fact that there is any thought of dissatisfaction with this game to any degree is insanely wild to me. This game is potentially years away from being put into our adventurous hungry little hands, yet some people are acting like this game is releasing tomorrow morning before most of us go to work. It saddens me to see the type of turn and burn culture that surrounds being able to access games in early development. Thor is a pretty cool guy.
This game has my attention for sure but i have some questions. It is going to be a buy to play with a subscription as i understand. What i do not understand is this. IF i buy the alfa two second wave bundle so i can hop in game will i be able to play and after 01/05/2025 that the third wave will be live or i will have to spend an other 100+ euros to play in wave 3 . And with that alfa two second wave bundle when the time comes for the game to lunch will i have to buy the game or it is included in the bundle ?
AoC is planned to have no box price, only a monthly subscription at launch. If you buy Alpha 2 Phase 2, you get access to Phase 3 when it launches, it's not an additional cost for phase 3.
this is a valid point that a lot of people really dont get in media discussion, especially nowadays where nuance is preety much dead. a lot of people love conflating you being agaisnt a point as shilling but frankly im perfectly fine with people criticizing things i personally like, even with points that i myself may not even agree, they just gotta be fair or actually based on reality and not on a faulty perception of things or worse, like this video, based on fabrication. thats why i always say if you want solid and fair criticism generally you better of talking to legitimate fans of something
I think you missed the point he was making a bit here Thor. that part of the video was old footage of back when the desert was first released comparing it to what had been announced to be within that release. He wasnt saying the game looks like that right now and thats a problem, he was saying the devs are making promises they are fulfilling. I have no stake either way as I dont play the game, I dont watch his content (other than the video in question that went viral) and watch your content way more often, but I do feel like your latching onto something that isnt really the point of the video here.
When i stumbled across narcs video i went to work n brought it up with a gamer buddy n we were both shocked that the game turned out to be a scam after all this time. But thats the conclusion i had after watching his video. Then i seen the asmongold video with interview from game developer n now this. My feeling of shock towards the game has shifted to be shock towards narc. What kinda evil dude you have to be to go down the path of spreading false info? I mean regardless of what he says he was trying to get across in his video. The fact is the angle he took made me and others watching think the dessert actually looked like that. Dude... after watching this video i want to support the game n get into alpha
It made me super sad because I valued Narcs opinion on AOC and I’m not sure what broke the camels back, so to speak, and inspired him to outright lie about the development of AOC.
Some misinformation in this video. Narc's footage is taken from Alpha Phase 2. This is relatively easy to confirm. The footage shown is from around 19 days ago during his subathon (2334950719 is the code and time stamp, around 11 hours in or so). Phase 2 started around 23 days ago. I don't know the game well enough but you are your guess of phase 1 is just wrong. I suspect the node hadn't started or levelled up? I am not sure, I am not playing Phase 2 or paying too much attention. For me personally, I think the Ashes dev streams have kind of over sold the game, but I felt Narc's video wasn't clear enough, and Steven's response was also probably a bit much.
He explicitly stated he didn't know when Narc got the video of the blank desert but that it was obviously before the area had been finalized even for the current Alpha state.
one of stevens favorite lines is something like "we don't want your money" while at the same time asking for $250 and adding hundreds of microtransactions in his cash shop for a game that doesn't exist. he is only fooling the gullible at this point, its been obvious for a long time he is just a scammer and liar.
It isn't an issue of Narc's video being "not clear enough". Throughout this entire VOD, he and his community are going on a hate train towards the game and about Steven, already with the intent of quitting the game. Who would've thought, the video which comes out of it is disingenuous and full of malicious intent. He already knew what the desert area actually looked like, because you can see it in another video, but he purposefully chose to neglect that information in the video he knew would attract attention (no matter how dumb he acts about it). It's made in a way to manipulate the audience and capitalise on the confirmation bias around the negative attention that the game gets, just because he is unhappy with Steven. You can easily tell that he has no real argument because of how much he pivots to something new when he's pressed during his interview with Asmongold.
@@arkturhellsing1484 and I say his guess is wrong. It is phase 2. The argument that Narc showed phase 1 stuff to complain about phase 2 is just wrong. This is super important distinction.
Feels like most people are upset it’s taken as long as it has to only be this far, feels like it needs twice as much time still and many more rounds of funding by the players to get there.
Not me knowing nothing about this situation, and then clicking on this video expecting some sort of drug ring in AoC based on the title
Ok so if it’s not you thinking that, where did you come up with that scenario in order to comment about it?
I mean he's basically running a Cartel on Lyneth so who knows if they add trippy cactus juice one day or some shit :')
Glad to know it wasn't just me 😂
@@IrDaNoobKing Narc is slang, basically associated with either the police or someone who snitches (to the police), regarding drugs.
This guy has 80% bots on his stream with a message per minute in his chat lower than is normaly in a 2k viewer stream, yet with bots he has 12k+ .this guy is a scam and a porate indeed.
Thors right its fine to not like a game but faking points to make people agree with you is a shity thing to do. If you have to fake evidence to support your point, your point has already lost.
@CatTroll21 your a troll right?
@@twvig8979 you have to ask? Their name literally has troll in it, they told on themself. 😂
@CatTroll21 gr8 b8 m8
@CatTroll21 agreed!!!
yeah becuase once you spot one blatant Lie it puts everything you have to say as suspect.
Today I learned that I am easily manipulated
Hey man, I am too, there’s no shame in it as long as you acknowledge when you get tricked
bro you are watching PirateSoftware and then ask that LMAO
We all are lol. It’s just being human I think
"You are not immune to propaganda" is something I have to tell myself frequently.
Yeah i was fooled as well, did not think dude would be a blatant liar in his video.
"don't go harass him" yeah, I agree, but I may choose to tell YT not to recommend his videos because that is BLATANT.
That is a much better way to handle this. Thank you for taking a more mature action.
YOOOO Ingress pfp no way!
I'm confused, what's wrong with harassing? I just mean video comments, not anything further
@@goprochef6352 nothing, pirate viewers are just soft for the most part. cause like even if a comment is hurtful, it drives engagement up and makes the vid that was commented on do better in the algorithm. so it all evens out anyways and the person being harassed benefits.
the curtains are being raised my boy
I feel that everytime someone lies when complaining about something, it's because they know their actual complaint wouldn't be taken seriously
Or at least that they think it wouldn't, but I don't think we really know what the actual complaint would be? Unless narc has said some other shit I haven't seen.
Bottom line never lie just own up to your real opinions, it's just that easy.
Hate generates clicks.
I think his problem was he felt pigeonholed into AoC content and wanted out. And this was the only way he could think of getting out while not losing all of his viewers.
Which to me is wild, because you can just say "I don't like it because I just don't like it." Yeah people might want or appreciate more nuance, but sometimes there is no true nuance. Sometimes "I don't like it," is enough. You don't gotta do a 30 minute diatribe or even a couple sentences. Like, why waste the time and energy manipulating perspectives like Narc did? That's just weird and childish behavior. Just say you don't like it and move on with your life. It's like they want to wallow in hatred rather than just find something they actually enjoy.
@@DeaganDunne Well, that I get, I've been on the situation where the "I don't want to" or "I don't like it" makes people harass me into giving a "complete" answer or a "believable" reason, I've BS'd many, many, many times because people can't leave me alone, even if the subject doesn't matter anymore, people keeps on asking "why didn't you?" or "you should go back to it" or "you should had done it diferently". This type of harassment doesn't make me want to enjoy those things, it makes me hate them more and more and more.
Now, do it to a stable person and they will find a way to get over it, from an "I don't care, I won't give you a reason" to a real reason or even a smart BS... but do it to an unstable person and they will do something like Narc... AT LEAST.
I'm not saying he should be free of guilt because he had a reason or exuse to do it, but life is more nuanced than "this person just wants to wallow in hatred" or "this person wants to cause harm just because"
I was fooled by Narc's video initially. I hadn't taken a serious look at the game in over 5 years so as someone skeptical I was primed for Narc's message. It felt good to pat myself on the back and say "Yeah I was right, I'm not like these idiots who support the game." then I watched you play this game and saw Steven's video and realized how much Narc had to manipulate to be correct. There he was in Phase 1, him and all of his more convinced audience, saying "They promised the desert would get more love and look at this!" while staring out the edge of the map.
Right, it's that easy to lie to people who want to believe you. Even when you don't intend to as well Thor can make mistakes from time to time and his opinion needs not be your opinion. That's why his default answer to "should I buy this" is "don't outsource your critical thinking to me".
@@hearthseeker2425 " it felt good to pat myself on the back"
This is one of the most annoying problems with internet culture today. People are brainwashed into patting themselves on the back at all costs rather than just observing reality and reacting to it without exaggerated emotions. It's becoming more and more common, too. Esp with gamers for some reason.
Funny somehow you forgot to mention the big elephant in the room which you have to have pay 100$ + for apha testing. It is insane by today's standard.
@@OsmosisMaple you dont have to buy it.
Just wait for release if u don't wanna pay.
Its optional, no one is putting gun to your head.
If you dont like the price, then just font purchase.
Hard concept to grasp, i know.
@@OsmosisMaple There's no elephant in the room. Everyone knows what it is. Everyone knows what you're getting. There's no questions there. Doing it this way does two things. 1) helps generate some form of cash flow while they continue development. 2) generally people who REALLY like these kinds of games are going to be the ones spending the money on it and are going to be willing to test the hell out of the game and report issues. That's what they're hoping for so the final, polished, finished product is actually that much better.
Thanks Thor for reminding us not to attack another creator. I’ve been that lesser person in the past and it doesn’t feel good after. Also it’s just sucky behavior.
It's also just much better to not engage with rage-bait content at all. Because that's what it's "supposed" to do - generate engagement for the channel, have people coming in and commenting "you're wrong and you're a piece of shit!"
But if you just watch Thor and ignore the original video completely - that video will just disappear into irrelevancy and TH-cam algorithm gods will say "nah, we will not show it to others, nobody's interested"
The fact you've recognized that in yourself and made the conscious effort to move away from it is a great step in maturity. Good on you.
I'm sorry but we've got to stop with this nonsense. Actions have consequences and if the consequences of your actions are people calling you out for being a dick then so be it.
Enough with the mollycoddling.
@@mikerelf Pirate said on his stream he's not gonna make a video/short about Narc video because he doesn't want to give it attention citing the same reasons as you
So idk why he decided to change his mind
@@Solidor_XThere's a difference between calling somebody out for their bullshit and being unbearable about it.
Narc has the angry man child energy going full tilt
so he lost the vote for mayor, the timing of him raging and losing the vote to be a mayor is pretty close. This might be a straight up temper tantrum for not being picked lol. He didn't do a good job the first time, even if he had streamer privilege if you're a shit mayor ppl aren't going to vote for you.
Remind you of anyone?
@@randomanomaly6081 you?
@@Dante_S550_Turbo congrats on yapping
As an old Star Wars Galaxies player, yes showing my age.. This game is amazing and brings back that kinda vibe. I wish nothing but the best for this dev team and excited to play on launch.
yeah now that you mention it I do get the feeling of old School SWG from what I have seen of this game, hopefully they can actually stick the landing and live up to the potential it has
Yeeeeeeeees! SWG was and is amazing. I still go back and play for a couple months each year on the private servers. I get hammered with nostalgia and it’s still just as fun as I remember.
My take on the Narc's thing is that he tried to get something from the Ashes developers, say become some kind of main CC or some promo or become some brand embassador thing, was denied, so he did that video as a retaliation
Narc has been talking down about them for the past year, it's not a new thing.
Yea I would need some evidence of him asking for anything to buy that but it does seem awfully personal.
@@Skeeters_Lint
Which is weird because the last video I saw for him besides the one where he trashes the game, and Stephen was when he flew up on top of the tower and interacted with Stephen in a playful manner
@@nawab256 He didn't like the way they started to downplay what the alpha test was gonna be, also when they stopped selling the 250$ packages only to later sell the Alpha keys.
@@nawab256 He showed it more in his streams then in his youtube videos.
Nowhere looks like that... 30 seconds later showing an area that look like that lmao.
How dare desert look like a desert. Smh
Agreed, but I'm conflicted because I don't like sand. It's coarse and rough and irritating and it gets everywhere
I bet their open sea area will be full of water... Lazy devs.
And the Utah area didn't even have a great salt lake!
@@fictitiousbrain1097 **grrrrrrrrrr**
My desert, my Arrakis, my Dune...
When I saw that desert shot I was kind of like, "Does he just not understand how dunes look?" I chocked it up to him just expecting some kind of extraordinary fantastical dunes or something, because yea, dunes are just sweeping hills of empty sand.
yeah also does he forget what an Alpha of a game is, like the instant I saw his clip I could tell that was an unfinished placeholder area which is something you would expect to find in a game that's over a year away from release
@@amythistxue1 Yea this is an even better point. Yea, I think he was well aware that the region was also not finished. I've heard a few people say that they believe he was mad because he expected to jump into the game and have some kind of authority and notoriety due to his history of support, and Thor and his guild pretty much took over the server and gained primary notoriety within the space.
Now that I see how much is available in the desert and how he angled that camera to show that unfinished desert, I'm starting to believe them, as he seems to be trying to really do some damage with that video; it definitely seems malicious.
How dare an unfinished area of a game in ALPHA look unfinished 😂
I blame all the pre-release, early accesses, and """beta releases""" from AAA companies. They have destroyed the common person's understanding of development.
@@masterlinktm 100% this
Right? I remember playing in a WoW expansion Beta. It was mostly for testing the server but not everything was in place. I remember I glitched out the game so hard, the game thought I had a mount active at all times so my move speed was insane. Was flying around the map. Was very funny and broken. Also the textures were wonky and were really bad.
Then it was released and everything that was an issue was fixed. I never expect a perfected game until it is fully released. With MMOs I also expect things to get updated constantly due to people finding issues.
People just need to relax and enjoy the Alpha or just wait and play the game when it is fully released.
I mean, The games been in Alpha for going on 8 years. When is it okay to start asking "why is this game STILL in an alpha state?"
How long is this ALPHA excuse going to last? Another 3 years? 5 years? 10 years? It's been 8 YEARS since the game has been in development and they are promising OVER 18 biomes. How many biomes has been FULLY COMPLETED in 8 Years? Please tell me
I'm thinking that it's better that he blew his lid and walked away now.
100% day 1 on Alpha 2, it was just like Narcs video. Sadly your wrong dude.
"Hate me. But do it honestly."
-Kain
Ah, yes. The wheel made another revolution. We're quoting Legacy of Kain again. I'm happy :D
@selensewar I'm happy too. Legacy of Kain has some of the best writing I've seen in gaming, let's celebrate it!
@@ofnir123 agreed! To this day one of my favorite videogame stories, the writing is just superb.
Narc is the British DSP.
Has no clue on game dev, can't control his emotions and streams.himself eating junk food with his mouth open.
I declare him hence forth as NarcSydePhil !
(As many people gasp, I sigh, raise my page's horn, sounds it once) Let it be known that Lordy Rich has delivered... the Burn. (Quieter) Well done, your Lordyship, I missed that one.
Or the black DSP (Dale Wilson)
@@AB-bu9go Nah BlackSydePhil has already been declared years ago. It's LowTierGod.
Ad hominem
I got bated by the thumbnail. I was like, "I know he was loving the game, did something else happen."
Probably upset about server getting wiped, losing his flying mount and allot of the people that helped him get it
I wish he would quit. I wish he would realize how anti player this game is
@@barrettbirks1058 care to explain.
A lot of people really do not grasp what the concept of an alpha is. take Baldur's gate for example, I played the alpha up until launch and the amount of changes not just as it progressed but also from the last alpha patch to the full release build the changes were immense. everything they show in the alpha is only part of what they have and are working on, and the stuff they show you is not a
finished product, if you are buying into the alpha there's no point in whining about it being an incomplete game, you literally paid to play it that way.
and you dont grasp that usually tester get paid and us we pay to play it thus were now a customer,have a bit of self respect fool
@@madlinkers8595 If you don't like it, don't buy the alpha.
@@madlinkers8595Actual testers = their job. Do you have to actually do anything as a tester? Was it not laid out very clearly what you were purchasing? Self respect is important. Have respect for the work others do is just as important.
@@madlinkers8595I think self respect comes with arguing in good faith. Which you aren't doing. There is no deception about you being a tester if you buy into it. Early Access is not a new concept. It has been around for so so so long now.
@@madlinkers8595 ?????
01:45 ehm call me crazy but that looks like one of the areas in Star Wars the old republic mmo, not even joking, really looks like one of the places on tat. i know sand plains in SWTOR has a few flat area's.
It also looks like many other areas where the majority of the screen is sand hahaha
The more I hear about Narc the more it sounds like he had a ax to grind.
@@DustoMan is there anything that points to the start of them hating ashes or have they always criticized them and made lies
@fictitiousbrain1097 I'm not really sure just from his hit piece and the stuff he was saying when talking to asmond I got the sense that he had this sudden like worry that he was somehow lying to his audience. And had some kind of moral dilemma. I'm honestly haven't even heard of the guy until I stumbled onto him talking to asmond.
@@fictitiousbrain1097 If your had been watching his streams he turned negative on them about a year ago when they kinda started to downplay peoples expectation on the alpha test.
@@fictitiousbrain1097 Poor boy was getting high on his own supply of copium.
@@fictitiousbrain1097 why do you refer to Narc as they/them? He's undisputedely male.
It seems like all parties were being somewhat dishonest. Steven said the desert expansion was going to be ready at phase 2 launch. It wasn't. The expansion was what Narc showed and it wasn't ready at all. Narc is dishonest because he showed the incomplete expansion and basically tried to play it off as if it was the entire biome whilst not showing where the biome begins, which was more detailed. Now Thor is being dishonest because he waited until the dunes got more detail added in and is trying to pass it off as if it looked like that the entire time when it did not look like that at the beginning of phase 2.
Or, maybe it wasn't ready, because of setbacks, doesn't make it a lie, for it to be a lie, they would have had to know when they made the announcement that it wouldn't have been ready and I would bet the remaining balance of my bank account, that their timeline reckoned it would be ready, something or multiple things happened that made that not the case and instead of wasting time making a PR note, they just got on with fixing/making it
@@AcridCrowd I agree. I really don't care for the level of dishonesty I'm seeing about this game from all sides - Narc, Steven, and now Thor. I guess now I just have access to a game I don't want access to anymore, and did so primarily on the word of Thor.
I guess I'll stick to playing WoW for the time being, and just....not give either of these parties my time. It really sucks, but I'm glad I'm not the only one that feels this way.
@@azyrsharp8602 lmao, how is Thor being Dishonest here? You literally can see that it doesn't look anything like what Narc is saying.
I just hope in a year or two - when things are further along, he tries it again and falls back in love with the game
I don't. Someone with no honesty or integrity, I don't want apart of the community.
@@anarchistkobold4375 Narc’s had numerous chances to be an integral part of the AoC community. He has seemingly chosen to be a troll. Is what it is. Thor is bis
@@Iautocorrect I agree with this sentiment wholeheartedly. as rude as it is to say i hope he doesn't come back
I think its important to clarify whats wrong about the vod of narc and in the same time not attackin him as a person. This VOD does exactly this, thank u.
Hate the sin, not the sinner.
He just got too invested and ended up burning himself up...
i want to feel like paul atreides sandwalking through the desert in this game
Narc might be a bit too high on... COPIUM
Narcs content has always been: No new Info, stuff he stole from other creators or reddit or drama.
I used to make content for Ashes for a good amount of years sicne 2017, had a podcast, interviewed steven a bunch of times. Then he went after another creator, I spoke my mind and narcs community started sending out death threats to me and others for speaking out. Steven backed him up back then so this whole situation is really funny to me.
I wouldnt be suprise me if he comes back in a few month, with a title I WAS WRONG.
You saying to not go after narc, shows the difference in creators. He used to be the entertaining guy, having stevens face on his junk, but now he has to compete with others.
So personally I think this whole thing is just for attention. Give it a few weeks than he will be back..... sadly.
Sending death threats to someone for criticizing a creator you like is psycho behavior. I feel like that says a lot about Narc's fanbase, as well as Narc himself...
@@LookingGlass1865 Narc received a Copystrike from another creator, a legit one, all right and proper and instead of being professional he made a hit piece calling the other creator out, leaving out a lot of info.
Steven Sherif the
n backed Narc up without knowing everything, which than caused Narcs Community to go bad shit crazy. Send picutres of family members to creators, threating them etc.
So yeah Narc and Steven going at each other for me is just funny.
Yeah his community is pretty toxic.
@@Skeeters_Lint Toxic is one thing, thats something else. Weeks later, I stopped making Ashes content cause it was just to much.
@@GrinningJack Either way his community is just trash and in general horrible human beings, there's a couple good people in there but most are just horrible people. His discord was the most toxic and hateful place I've ever seen, some members went out of their way to just be assholes.
All you have to do is look at the map to know that narc was lying.
Do not make up things to criticize, especially if something deserves to be criticized. If a game is terrible and the developers are scamming people, the worst thing you could do is attack it for things that aren't true, because whenever someone learns that it's getting maligned for falsehoods they won't believe the real criticisms.
Well that just speaks volumes to his character.... which he has none.
he played the game in a earlier build and didn't have footage of the new stuff. That's completely reasonable
@@barrettbirks1058nope. He’s got no character. He knew he had a massive following and did this irrespective
@@barrettbirks1058 "didn't have footage of the new stuff."
What? Is that the problem? Like, the WHOLE point?
Narc lied about the footage he was showing, claiming it was current, up-to-date footage, and AoC is a scam because the stuff Thor just showed us is not in the game.
@@barrettbirks1058 Nope. He should apologize for straight up lying on the game, which he did not until now.
you bots are easily manipulated. What about you look at Narc's vod on twitch of him defending himself before you start making conclusions
I was sceptical about the vid because he was just standing still.
Who knew that Narc would act like an actual narc.
Thor; you're doing a hell of a job selling me on ashes of creation. I think I need to play this game.
Alpha is pretty fun but keep your expectations low - remember it is not a game, it is an Alpha test. Steven tells everyone to expect "game breaking bugs, incomplete content, systems that don't work, etc..." --- I myself have had hours of fun on the Alpha so far. At the same time, I have run into a bunch of bugs. Even so, it reminds me of Original Vanilla WoW... I am exploring the world with wonder, venturing into the unknown and discovering and making my own fun.
@@oettrpg Oh no, I'mma wait till the full launch. But I'll keep my eye on this as it develops.
The desert actually looks pretty cool, looking forward to seeing how it changes for release eventually.
I got an idea... at the end of the dessert there should be a flat, empty area of ugly-looking sand called Narcs Wasteland
Narc lost his mind like 5 years ago. These days he's on another level.
That's honestly the best looking desert I've seen in any game
it's copy\paste content...you look marketing scam here...and best about it, you can't do nothing in there, yeh best content ever for naive people 🤣
I'm glad you made this video as I am not that invested in keeping up with everything, but I saw segments of his video and felt like AoC wasn't good at all and it's good to see what's actually out there in a short 5 minute video.
A word to live by :
"Everybody should be nice to each other, and don't be a dick!"
lol, just finished the video, and youtube recommended me the narc video XD talk about comedic timing XD
The Flat Desert is like the Flat Earth of Ashes of Creation 😂
isnt this the mmo that was promising that city would develop where player do quest and city downgrade if everyone boycot the city ?
i was so disappointed in narc, he was the whole reason i got introduced to AOC.
Hey Pirate, I love your content and it's blowing my mind how you are catching so much flak over such a dumb situation. Keep up the good work bud!
Integrity and accountability are honourable traits to have.
So the section from Narc's video is at the center of the node when it is level 0 so it is intentionally empty because those areas are replaced by the node as it levels.
back to McDonalds - here we go
how dare the outside of a map look unfinished its wild....... 😂😂😂😂
@@ProblyTaco yeah if he truly thought he encountered something unfinished that should be done he should have bug reported not post a TH-cam video, but I think it was proven he did this in bad faith
I watched that video.
I think Narc got pigeonholed into AoC content and didn't want to make it anymore. So he did the most dramatic thing he could while echoing everything he has heard from the vocal AoC haters. He sounded just like they have for the last 8 years.
That way, even though he was quitting AoC content creation, he could gain AoC haters as viewers so that his numbers don't dip hard when all the AoC lovers leave his channel.
Yeah to be honest that kinda lingered in the back of my mind too as a potential reason why he made that video. I know he's stated before that he's burned out on making AoC content so it kinda made too much sense to me to ignore that's likely the reason why he put together a hit piece was to try to make a play at keeping his current viewer base and income while getting them interested in whatever content he switches to.
This is how I see it:
I don't think it's "angry for the sake of being angry." Because that's just someone who wants to be pissed off because they just really want to be pissed off. No real reason behind it, they just want to feel that way.
As someone who doesn't have patience myself, I can get pretty upset at games and their difficulty. I've been getting back into Helldivers 2 recently and I prefer to solo it. Re acclimated on medium and then went to challenging. ONE level up, and it feels like I went to level 6 at times. Still solo, because I'm weird like that. I am getting better, but there are moments where it feels like the game just doesn't want me to play. I know why I have that feeling, before I get replies about "play on public" or "lower the difficulty" I KNOW... I bring this up to say: I have a pretty strong feeling that this isn't to be mad at the game just to be mad at something. This is an active attempt to sabotage the game's integrity because he got too salty at it. Because some people feel like they just HAVE to win.
Take off that hat, because you ain't capping. You know what you're doing and are honest about why and how it makes you feel. Narc here is an angry guy who needs others to join him. I respect you ten times more than anyone Thor might turn a critical eye on.
I think it is because he felt pigeonholed into making AoC content and didn't want to anymore. And this was the only way he saw out.
@masterlinktm I bet that's the case. Sounds more probable than a super rage quit.
But if him trying to "escape" making that content is what's happening, then, obviously, being honest about it would've been better. I can see this current direction be for keeping viewership a little longer, but a very special... "condiment"... I used to watch is very disingenuous in his game reviews, and that just left a very raw taste in my mouth after the fact. Now he barely gets past 30k at times. This guy is going to end up the same way. Being up front and honest will always be better because at least then you're setting the expectations you want people to have. And they could always come back without that terrible after taste.
@@Rybear1977 It is a well know thing that changing content as a creator, can kill your channel. Especially, when your channel was entirely built on single thing.
And here is the dirty truth, it just might have been better for him to have done it this way. There is no real way to ever really know if it was in fact better, but there is some sound reasoning for it being a potential good choice for him.
Reason being, he was always going to lose the AoC diehards when leaving AoC content creation. As such, making it absolutely clear he is abandoning everything AoC and making himself look like a "good person" while doing it; allows him to instantly shed all the people who might spend the next 6 months nagging him to make AoC content. Which can wear down a person's mental. Something that might have happened already.
Then It also allows him to court the AoC haters as new viewers. Then forever doubters that have been calling AoC a scam since day 1. These people will not care that he might have lied about things. And for everyone else, well the normies aren't paying that much attention and won't see videos like Thor's. They will either not care about the lies or never know they were.
You say he isn't breaking 30k views, but 30k views is a lot. And had he just been honest and all that he might have lost even more. Without gaining any outside viewers.
People have short memories these days. By this time next year, people will have long forgotten this kerfuffle, and it will mean nothing.
Like grabbing chicken-breast from a restaurant's kitchen then trying to slander/libel them for food poisoning. Awful behavior.
The part of the video felt like trying to recreate Callum Upton's videos taking apart Dream World, except Dream World was obviously actually a scam.
the problem is that once you give facts that aren't true or you are disingenuous that makes, at least for me, anything else that gets put up as unreliable. I refuse to believe that he didn't know what he was doing with old footage when he knows its being worked on as he is filming it.
Thor being an advocate for not only the Devs or the rest of the community is what we need more of today. Even with all the hate and prejudice he doesn’t change his stance and doubles down by taking the time to explain to the masses.
As someone who had heavy beef with Steven from playing against him in an MMO prior to him starting Ashes of creation…. I wish him the best. His mmo may fill that itch needed in this time
1:54
*Looking at the exact location*
Where could it be???
It would make sense for the desert to be empty, because it is the desert, meaning it's abandoned, forsaken, dry region...
Would it be fun in game? Depends on how it's done, but from what I see here, it looks cool.
I don’t know anything about this game, but there is something intriguing about watching debunking of BS.
I actually bought Ashes Wave 2, after seeing asmongold video of narc/steve/and you. And damn, i'm having fun, despite the bugs/lags. It is a slow progress(leveling) MMORPG and i was missing that. it is fun to play it and to see it grow at the same time. I see it like a Series, where you have a character and you see how it grows as a person/personality/emotional/etc in each episode that goes by. I like that a lot. And they are very active in doing updates. I apreciate a lot Thor for your videos, really like your personality. Big hug from Portugal.
Will there be climbing of those cliff faces, or any cliff faces in Ashes?
You can climb if you can jump high enough. I spent 2 hrs just running around trying to climb shit yesterday lol
was looking forward to your video response...one thing with you that really drew me to you is the way you handle sponsors. Your not like OTK and vtubers who take all the sponsorships in the world, sell a lie and dip. You don't promote gamersupps to viewers who are buying energy powders when sitting on their pc all day fapping to shylily. Great to see your honesty and I hope you don't change!
I was waiting for that video!
Narc probably screwed up and wanted more then dunes and probably want zul frak
Narc also complains about the price, while he didn't even buy in. It was gifted to him 😂
To be fair, you can be gifted things and still complain about how much others have to pay for it. Empathy is a thing as you obviously forgot.
@peachypet808 brother. Someone who has to go to the lengths of being disingenuous to get a point across. Can guarantee they aren't being empathetic.
Empathy is showing reality along with the prices so that viewers can make their own decisions based on their own finances.
Damn man…I feel like a fool now. I did NOT think this would turn out to be false. Yet here it is. This desert is looking NOT barren. It looks like I’m going to have to have YT stop recommending his content now:(
Man its crazy that we live in age where people are quick to judge anything by just watching one video from a person they just met. Man people need to learn to search information first before they can judge.
I’ve learned this a while ago. now, I don’t take anything from anybody at face value on the Internet anymore.
Treat every day on the internet like April Fools
Narc is short for Narcissistic
Gotta love these haters trying to throw shade. Thanks Thor for being consistent as always
Shame all these games are subscription based, I'd love to play some MMO's like this
Wait are you telling me there are people who will misrepresent things and tell lies?
Did you comment in more detail about the entirety of his claims / issues with the state of the game?
i definetly think narc was misrepresenting the desert, and im not a player, but was his problem not, that the new expansion was that flat area? So was the entire desert with the good looking part part of said expansion, or was it actually the sand part, that was the expansion. i still dont fully understand what is correct.
I'm really disappointed with the graphics in Ashes of Creation. For a game that's been in development for so long, I expected way better. Some textures look flat and lifeless, and the character models seem outdated. It feels like they’re relying too much on the hype instead of delivering a visually stunning experience. If this is what we’re getting, I’m seriously worried about the final product.
@salder5893 I agree with you that the graphics aren't the best. But 2 things I want you to consider are that graphics don't make a good game, the graphics to me are fine because playing the fans is enjoyable in the current state. The second thing is that on their road map polishing graphic to make everything look better is something that will come at the very end of the alpha because d designing the game is more important than how it looks.
@@UltraDinte While I understand your perspective, I have to disagree. Graphics do matter a lot in gaming. They contribute significantly to the overall experience and immersion. If a game looks outdated or poorly designed, it can detract from the enjoyment, even if the gameplay is solid. Players often expect a certain level of visual quality, and if that’s lacking, it can lead to frustration and disappointment. While gameplay is crucial, the visual presentation is also an essential part of what makes a game appealing. Ignoring graphics can make it harder to attract and retain players.
how large will the desert be compared to the riverlands?
Thanks for showing this! I hate miss information this fixes that by showing how it really is.
I was hoping to see your reaction to that. I'm glad that my doubt in his claim has actually been justified. Serious thanks for showing the biome. Although I don't play AoC I'd really like the game to succeed. I bet this short video really will impact that 🔥
This kind of stuff just reminds me of the game theory Heartbound situation, spinning a story for views is just not the way to go about it, I wish more people understood the value of respecting other peoople by being honest, nobody's gonna go on a witch hunt if you just say you don't like the game, why the lie? Also thank you for reminding your community not to harass this person despite their disingenuous video.
I'm a member now??
Welcome to the "not' cult
That's what my thought was too. Didn't knew you can get gifted a membership even if you're not currently watching the stream.
You're a wizard, Harry
I’m from Utah and it’s a desert. This looks spot on
This is nothing more than a massive marketing campaign 🤣
Why you lying? even an uneducated person knows you are being disengenious with this video. Anyone who makes a 5 minute video about 2 seconds of another video that also has muted audio and we supposed to believe you about what someone else said? you are such a liar it's so obvious.
The fact that there is any thought of dissatisfaction with this game to any degree is insanely wild to me. This game is potentially years away from being put into our adventurous hungry little hands, yet some people are acting like this game is releasing tomorrow morning before most of us go to work. It saddens me to see the type of turn and burn culture that surrounds being able to access games in early development. Thor is a pretty cool guy.
Hbis is why I only use a handful of trusted creators, for information like this.
I like that the thumbnail is clickbait to get you to recognize another channels rage bait.
Imagine complaining about an unfinished map in ALPHA.
Right on the edge of the map...
Narc was literally in a middle of desert!
The idea that people enjoy arguing over a game that doesn't exist yet boggles my mind.
This game has my attention for sure but i have some questions. It is going to be a buy to play with a subscription as i understand. What i do not understand is this. IF i buy the alfa two second wave bundle so i can hop in game will i be able to play and after 01/05/2025 that the third wave will be live or i will have to spend an other 100+ euros to play in wave 3 . And with that alfa two second wave bundle when the time comes for the game to lunch will i have to buy the game or it is included in the bundle ?
AoC is planned to have no box price, only a monthly subscription at launch.
If you buy Alpha 2 Phase 2, you get access to Phase 3 when it launches, it's not an additional cost for phase 3.
Tbf, a DESERT would make MORE sense to look like in the video
this is a valid point that a lot of people really dont get in media discussion, especially nowadays where nuance is preety much dead. a lot of people love conflating you being agaisnt a point as shilling but frankly im perfectly fine with people criticizing things i personally like, even with points that i myself may not even agree, they just gotta be fair or actually based on reality and not on a faulty perception of things or worse, like this video, based on fabrication. thats why i always say if you want solid and fair criticism generally you better of talking to legitimate fans of something
I think you missed the point he was making a bit here Thor. that part of the video was old footage of back when the desert was first released comparing it to what had been announced to be within that release. He wasnt saying the game looks like that right now and thats a problem, he was saying the devs are making promises they are fulfilling.
I have no stake either way as I dont play the game, I dont watch his content (other than the video in question that went viral) and watch your content way more often, but I do feel like your latching onto something that isnt really the point of the video here.
When i stumbled across narcs video i went to work n brought it up with a gamer buddy n we were both shocked that the game turned out to be a scam after all this time. But thats the conclusion i had after watching his video. Then i seen the asmongold video with interview from game developer n now this. My feeling of shock towards the game has shifted to be shock towards narc. What kinda evil dude you have to be to go down the path of spreading false info? I mean regardless of what he says he was trying to get across in his video. The fact is the angle he took made me and others watching think the dessert actually looked like that. Dude... after watching this video i want to support the game n get into alpha
Crank all the graphics settings to their bare minimum and it 'may' look like his video, but that'd still be dishonest.
It made me super sad because I valued Narcs opinion on AOC and I’m not sure what broke the camels back, so to speak, and inspired him to outright lie about the development of AOC.
Wasn't this Narc guy all about AoC a few years ago? Was this the same guy?
AoC looks stunning. Cant wait to play in that world!
you will, how fast are they, you will play with st. Ivan!
Some misinformation in this video. Narc's footage is taken from Alpha Phase 2. This is relatively easy to confirm. The footage shown is from around 19 days ago during his subathon (2334950719 is the code and time stamp, around 11 hours in or so). Phase 2 started around 23 days ago.
I don't know the game well enough but you are your guess of phase 1 is just wrong. I suspect the node hadn't started or levelled up? I am not sure, I am not playing Phase 2 or paying too much attention.
For me personally, I think the Ashes dev streams have kind of over sold the game, but I felt Narc's video wasn't clear enough, and Steven's response was also probably a bit much.
He explicitly stated he didn't know when Narc got the video of the blank desert but that it was obviously before the area had been finalized even for the current Alpha state.
one of stevens favorite lines is something like "we don't want your money" while at the same time asking for $250 and adding hundreds of microtransactions in his cash shop for a game that doesn't exist. he is only fooling the gullible at this point, its been obvious for a long time he is just a scammer and liar.
It isn't an issue of Narc's video being "not clear enough". Throughout this entire VOD, he and his community are going on a hate train towards the game and about Steven, already with the intent of quitting the game. Who would've thought, the video which comes out of it is disingenuous and full of malicious intent.
He already knew what the desert area actually looked like, because you can see it in another video, but he purposefully chose to neglect that information in the video he knew would attract attention (no matter how dumb he acts about it). It's made in a way to manipulate the audience and capitalise on the confirmation bias around the negative attention that the game gets, just because he is unhappy with Steven.
You can easily tell that he has no real argument because of how much he pivots to something new when he's pressed during his interview with Asmongold.
@@arkturhellsing1484 You are stating false information, All nodes started at lvl0/1 for Alpha 2. All footage was from current alpha state.
@@arkturhellsing1484 and I say his guess is wrong. It is phase 2. The argument that Narc showed phase 1 stuff to complain about phase 2 is just wrong.
This is super important distinction.
Feels like most people are upset it’s taken as long as it has to only be this far, feels like it needs twice as much time still and many more rounds of funding by the players to get there.