Total sleeper, though prices are climbing so they might not be anymore. Love how Ludwig designed the new p88ac throw off to fit the hole spacing - now you can have a solid throw!
@@NickCostaMusic I did put a p88 on it. Much better, stiff knob though. INDe throw offs won’t fit surprisingly, but the INDe fits on my Acro, go figure
Spectacular drum. I have one also but I made a few “modifications”. I put on Ludwig die cast rims, put gaskets under the lugs and put on the P88 AC throwoff. It’s sounds spectacular. Dries up the drum just enough.
I had one. It is 5.5x14, not 5x14. It's made overseas and from what I understand it's the same shell as the Pearl Senitone but with Ludwig hardware. With nice heads and snare wires, they sound good but compared to the Ludwig Superphonic bronze, it's not as full bodied and rich sounding, but that doesn't mean it's not a good sounding drum. If I still had both, this is a drum I could take on a gig and not worry so much about as my more expensive snares, but still do a good job. Only "drum nerds" could probably tell a big difference between this and the pro line superphonic. My bass player definitely could not...
That's great info, thank you for sharing - I had no idea about them being the same shell as the Sensitone! As long as it sounds good, that's all that matters to the general audience
I think so too! Bronze phonic is a seamless shell, this isnt. The shells might be different thicknesses as well. Besides that, different lugs (bronze phonic has imperial, this has bowtie lugs), bronze phonic doesn't have an internal dampener, etc.
Great video! How does this compare with the aluminum Acrolite? Similar shape and hardware, only the shell material differs. Curious to know how it compares
This is a nice sounding snare. The rim hits sound a little thin, but the rest sounds good. I have a 14x4 phosphor bronze seamless 3 mil snare and it's the best one I've ever had. I am a fan of bronze snares.
@@NickCostaMusic That's entirely possible. My snare has die cast hoops and the rim knocks sound sweet. You might also tighten the wires just a little which will also help and may in fact help more than the die cast hoops.
@@NickCostaMusic Ah yes, the old trial and error deal with the wires lol. For good rim knocks though I would stick to 20 strand wires and not those ones that make the underside of your snare look like a BBQ grill lol.
@@NickCostaMusic The sound of a drum top and bottom heads should be easy to control volume, dynamics, and easy to tune. There are so many varieties of heads today but the important part of choosing the type of drum heads to fit your style is up to you. It’s easy to make your drums sound like a marching snare if you don’t care.
@@catmanisgod8200 you're right, of course. Don't know what was going through my mind. It was very late. My mind was thinking seam but my fingers typed seamless.
You really can't go wrong with ANY Ludwig snare drum. Ludwig has perfected the art of making snare drums.
Could not agree more!
I agree. I used to use a Ludwig Acrolite black galaxy, and it was a very nice sounding snare.
Pretty wild how versatile that black galaxy acro is, too!
@@MarkMonolithOfficial Plastic straps on the wires, no perfect
It sounds great in all ranges! Cranked surprised me.
Right?!? Just adjust the tuning, and go!
I used to have the 5x14 one back in the 90s and I miss it!! Great drum.
Totally agree. I was surprised by the sound while making this vid
man oh man that low tuning sounded amazing. really had a nice crack in the higher tunings too. what a lovely drum to boot!
Super versatile for sure - didn't need any modifications, either!
This was my main snare for a while, what a sleeper and could use it for anything. Throw off is a pos though
Total sleeper, though prices are climbing so they might not be anymore. Love how Ludwig designed the new p88ac throw off to fit the hole spacing - now you can have a solid throw!
@@NickCostaMusic I did put a p88 on it. Much better, stiff knob though. INDe throw offs won’t fit surprisingly, but the INDe fits on my Acro, go figure
Spectacular drum. I have one also but I made a few “modifications”. I put on Ludwig die cast rims, put gaskets under the lugs and put on the P88 AC throwoff. It’s sounds spectacular. Dries up the drum just enough.
I bet that thing is like a cannon now! What did you use for the gaskets?
I was able to get Ludwig gaskets through Drum Center of Portsmouth.
And it sounds like a Tama Bell Brass
Any idea of the price of this drum?
This rocker bronze you can find $300 - $375 online any day. Just need to keep an eye out to make sure it's in good shape
I got the steel version at a triftshop for about 5 dollars here in the netherlands
That's a GREAT find!
Definitely a sleeper! What a fat low tuned sound... and still plenty of meat in the higher tunings. Worth looking for!
AND they're not too crazy expensive...yet
I have 2 70s Ludwig Rocker kits and 1 Rocker kit from Taiwan. All really good drums.
Oh nice! What are the sizes of the kits?
Cool snars
Appreciate that, thank you!
That first tuning is all I needed, wow... & great sounding @ the higher tunings also. That's a great drum.
Glad you liked it! I really like the sound of the medium-high, high tuning (but I also prefer higher tuned snares)
Love my Ludwig's, but, my '75 Slingy brass shell, 6.5 Gene Krupa is untouchable!
That's a great snare!
@@NickCostaMusic I know. I used it for years with my Yamaha kit. Fantastic crack!!
Bronze is my favorite snare tone. My main snare is a legends bronze. I paid $75 for it and it is my top pick even over my high end sonor snares.
So cool! Pretty great when a go to snare just so happens to be super affordable too
I had one. It is 5.5x14, not 5x14. It's made overseas and from what I understand it's the same shell as the Pearl Senitone but with Ludwig hardware. With nice heads and snare wires, they sound good but compared to the Ludwig Superphonic bronze, it's not as full bodied and rich sounding, but that doesn't mean it's not a good sounding drum. If I still had both, this is a drum I could take on a gig and not worry so much about as my more expensive snares, but still do a good job. Only "drum nerds" could probably tell a big difference between this and the pro line superphonic. My bass player definitely could not...
That's great info, thank you for sharing - I had no idea about them being the same shell as the Sensitone! As long as it sounds good, that's all that matters to the general audience
I’ve got a Pearl Sensitone Phosphor Bronze 14x5.
Absolutely love it…
It’s up there with my Supraphonic and Rogers wood Dynasonic, but much heavier.
Nice sounding snare. I have the bronze Ludwig phonic, i wonder what the difference is?
I think so too! Bronze phonic is a seamless shell, this isnt. The shells might be different thicknesses as well. Besides that, different lugs (bronze phonic has imperial, this has bowtie lugs), bronze phonic doesn't have an internal dampener, etc.
Great video! How does this compare with the aluminum Acrolite? Similar shape and hardware, only the shell material differs. Curious to know how it compares
Appreciate that, thank you! I'm not sure how it compares, though I think that needs to be an upcoming video now...
This is a nice sounding snare. The rim hits sound a little thin, but the rest sounds good. I have a 14x4 phosphor bronze seamless 3 mil snare and it's the best one I've ever had. I am a fan of bronze snares.
Totally! Maybe putting a heavier hoop like a die cast can help get a better rim hit?
@@NickCostaMusic That's entirely possible. My snare has die cast hoops and the rim knocks sound sweet. You might also tighten the wires just a little which will also help and may in fact help more than the die cast hoops.
Not a bad idea to try both - thanks for that! Now to see which wires will work best with the drum?
@@NickCostaMusic Ah yes, the old trial and error deal with the wires lol. For good rim knocks though I would stick to 20 strand wires and not those ones that make the underside of your snare look like a BBQ grill lol.
did you use any muffling or apply any gate/limiter/compressor on editing on cranked tuning?
Bronze with 10 lugs gives the snare a warm sound. I wonder trying different heads would brighten up the tone?
It might, though I would think they would have to be thinner to let the drum breathe a bit?
The Drum needs a Ludwig X-Thin Resonant snare side head.
Not a bad idea, @catmanisgod8200 ! What do you think it will do to the overall sound?
@@NickCostaMusic The sound of a drum top and bottom heads should be easy to control volume, dynamics, and easy to tune. There are so many varieties of heads today but the important part of choosing the type of drum heads to fit your style is up to you. It’s easy to make your drums sound like a marching snare if you don’t care.
I wonder what years they were produced, sounds awesome
From what I read, they're from the 90s. www.drumforum.org/threads/information-on-a-ludwig-80s-brass-snare.58046/
Ilikeit ,is itaveryezspensive dbarewhat do they generally cosy
You can find them between $300 - $400 USD
Not bad for seamless.
It is not seamless. Dude says so in the video, and says that it is seamed.
@@catmanisgod8200 you're right, of course. Don't know what was going through my mind. It was very late. My mind was thinking seam but my fingers typed seamless.
Seamless do sound great, but that doesn't mean one with a seam is worse. Q Drums made fantastic metal drums, all with riveted seams
Wondering the sound difference between a 80’s Tama bell Brass and a Tama swingstar Steel.
Me too - would love to get my hands on an 80s Tama bell brass, though it's way out of my budget...
@@NickCostaMusic Maybe Tama will send you one to do a Demo video
@JackNiles as a Ludwig educational artist, it might be a conflict of interest for both parties
Bronze vs Copper
And look at that, I have both! That's a great recommendation, thanks @wadedixon9890
People always talk about Black beauty and Supraphonic when the COPPERPHONIC smokes them both!
The copperphonic is a pretty fantastic drum, totally agree ! th-cam.com/video/PujoV01yUwU/w-d-xo.html
You didn’t measure it?
I didnt...
I am not overly impressed. It is nothing I would play... or collect.
Ain't nothing wrong with that. What didn't you like about it, and what's your preferred snare?