Just think about the grim, bleak world of OG LoZ. So few people, no towns, just people hiding in caves. I know SOME of that is just hardware limitations, but canonically that world would be even more ravaged than BoTW. Probably similar to the word of BoTW 1 year after the calamity
We kinda already got that. Just not literally one for one remakes. OoT of time was heavily inspired by Link's Adventure, it's combat system was them trying to bring the original games combat into 3D. This is also why the sages were named after towns in it. Breath of the Wild pretty much is a Zelda 1 reboot.
Hey Octo, just a note on Dodongos. You can detonate a bomb just in front of them, and if close enough, they get stunned and can be defeated with the sword for a guaranteed bomb drop. This also saves 3 bombs from force-feeding them the normal way. This alternative method is told by the old man in Level-2, who says "Dodongo dislikes smoke," hinting that if they inhale smoke they can be defeated.
@@octorokreviews Oh, didn't realize someone else had already pointed that out! You're welcome! I've enjoyed your videos since I found your channel in the past year!
Beat this one for the first time tonight! On a big Zelda kick right now, I loved the N64 entries when I was a kid so after replaying OOT recently I've decided to play them all in order. This video series is exactly what I need. Definitely earned a sub! Great video and I love how you praised the game design, I'd heard for years about a guide was "necessary" to beat it but I'm adamant about not using walkthroughs. I downloaded the original manual and scanned it, but I think the game does a great job of easing you into it and was pleasantly surprised by how assessable it was. The overworld opens up more and more after you get stuff like the candle and bombs, and I love how the old man and Impa give you just enough of a nudge to help you find dungeons without flat out telling you what needs to be done. Also appreciate how the secrets are also intuitively placed on the overworld . The moment I bought a candle I found dungeon 8 because I recognized that bush was burnable! Well designed and not the "You need a guide game." I'd been led to believe. Great game, great review. Now to struggle with Zelda II for a month lol.
Amazing video! Two comments: 1) the manual that the game originally came with had a lot of tips and locations of some things on part of the map. 2) I think it’s a stretch to say that level 6 indicates to the player that they need the magic shield. All it does it indicate that the new enemy you face is hard. There’s nothing to really indicate that there’s a specific shield in the game that can help.
Sure? At that point of the game the player has discovered in the overworld the magic shield for sell. He probably is asking himself what is the difference with the normal shield, bat at that point of the game he could survive just with the normal one. In the first 5 dungeons and in the overworld (he doesn't need to go to the death mountain) there are only fire balls. But with a lots of wizzrobes the dangeon became so hard that the players think "for sure the shield can protect me from this magis waves, it would be a good idea to go out and buy it". You can say, there is no a clear message "buy a shield" or similar, but... this is the great of the game, it doesn't say explicit to the player what to do, he forces him to understand what he needs, to realize himself what to do. And, after he has buyed the magic shield and discovered that the like like can eat it, he realizes the the combination of the two enemy (wizzrobe and like like) isn't casual...
if you didn't die 100 times before beating dungeon 2 did you even play the 1986 legend of zelda? (help I don't see myself beating this game in the near future)
Surprised you didn’t seem to learn that dodongo can be more easily killed by the smoke of 1 bomb instead of feeding him 3 bombs. Mostly hyped to see younger folks realize these games are amazing! 🙏🏼
LOL right? I didn't learn that until a couple months after uploading this video, which speaks to just how many things are hidden in this game. It's part of why I love it so much.
It is not so easy to discover. I played it al lot and discovered it only after watching a video. There are many other things to knows, for example the pols voice can be easily killed with a single arrow.
Oohoohoo, we have polar opposite opinions about Link to the Past and Skyward Sword, interesting. As someone who's also played (almost) every Zelda game (minus Tri Force Heros at the moment), it'll be interesting to compare our feelings.
Links Adventure isn’t a bad game I really like that one. I will admit I got it a little after release (getting Mario 2 and Links adventure was a huge pain because of a chip shortage back then. My mom basically befriended everyone at Toys R Us and they let her know when a truck was coming with a few copies of each bless her soul) so there probably is some nostalgia with my opinion on it. I’m so glad you touched on video game history because i pretty much comment on all these NES LoZ videos how incredible it was to go from Atari, collecovision and intellevision to the original Zelda. Just incredible and a great thing to experience as a seven year old it had my imagination running wild and made me a fan of gaming for life. My next door neighbor and neighbor 3 houses down both had it and when we weren’t all playing we were outside running around discussing all the things we found and trading secrets. Great video and review covering a great game.
0:40 - Blew my mind! I don't consider myself a "fan," but I did own it for the original NES back when it was a new release. Also played 2, Link to the Past, and now the 2 Switch games. I never played the others because I had transitioned from a child to a young adult and didn't have disposable income. I couldn't afford to keep buying new consoles. Then by time emulation was an option, I was on to more sophisticated games. Kind of wish I had played them since I've since learned that a lot of the Switch games come from some of the earlier games.
@@octorokreviews Yeah brought back some memories, I remember getting this new and it made me think of showing it to my girlfriend since she didn't grow up around video games, see how she likes it.
Thanks! I worked really hard on it way back in the day, and I'm glad to see it's still giving people joy! I think my videos got much better over time, but this first one will always hold a special place in my heart.
3:55 Yes it does. You have to collect items to upgrade armor. Also, the sailcloth mechanic in Skyward Sword actually is a lot like the one in Breath of The Wild it's just presented a bit differently. In Skyward Sword, falling can be used to travel brief distances and maneuver onto platforms with the sailcloth there to break your fall. the same is true of the paraglider in Breath of The Wild. The main change they made was making the paraglider handle the whole process instead of just as a means to break your fall. It was also slightly changed to incentivize forward travel rather than for tighter maneuvering within a round area as per Skyward Sword, but overall it's a very similar mechanic and it's very easy to see how the sailcloth could've translated to Breath of The Wild's paraglider. Look no further than the Game Awards footage back in 2014 when the paraglider was still the sailcloth if you need any more proof.
Regarding your first point, yes that's correct. I forgot about that mechanic's existence in BOTW, and only remembered it after this video's publication. So yeah, I was wrong about that one. As for the sailcloth comment, though, I must protest. The sailcloth is a completely different item than the Paraglider, with almost no similarity whatsoever. The Sailcloth breaks your fall - that's it. The skydiving aspect also only allows you to control your descent in a very limited fashion - neither of these mechanics are useful for traversal, only for the cannon minigame. Other than that, it's purely a visual flare with no real effect on gameplay. The Paraglider, on the other hand, completely alters the way you see the world of BOTW and how you traverse in that world. It' purpose is not to break your fall - it's to give the player near complete freedom in how he gets from point A to point B. There's practically no lineage to speak of here in terms of game design, and the Sailcloth being used as a placeholder art asset in 2014 is not proof of that (the game was far from complete at that point and, as the Nintendo Space World 2000 fiasco is more than proof of, old art assets are used in tech demos all the time, and are not indicative of the next game's design). As someone who has played every game in the series, it was pretty clear to me while playing Wind Waker that the Korok Leaf was likely the true origin of the Paraglider concept. Just like in BOTW, the Korok Leaf changes the way the player sees the level designs of Wind Waker from that point onwards, and operates nearly the same way (forward movement, a stamina gauge determining how long you can use it, wind effecting its upward movement, etc.). The Korok Leaf is practically the same device, just in a game with less opportunities to use it - to me, it seems pretty clear that, when looking back at previous games for inspiration, someone at Nintendo saw the Korok Leaf and had the idea to design the whole game's map around using it, which was the greatest creative decision made in BOTW, in my opinion.
@@octorokreviews I do agree with you in the sense that they're using selective evidence to try to convince the Breath of The Wild fans to pick up Skyward Sword and that the $60 price tag is a ripoff, but to ignore the parallels doesn't do any good either. My argument is not that the sailcloth was the only inspiration for the paraglider merely that the two mechanics are very similar and that there's a clear throughline to be had between Breath of The Wild and Skyward Sword. I cite the game awards example because the sailcloth shows that they made a connection between the two items and probably saw that the potential for the sailcloth could be greater. Also, Nintendo Space World, if I remember correctly, showcased a tech demo not an early build of Wind Waker itself, unlike the Game Awards showcase which was showing off an early version of Breath of The Wild. I do definitely agree that the korok leaf could easily have a lot to do with the inevitable creation of the paraglider, as well as cuccos, which could be argued is where the concept as a whole actually originates (as far back as Link to The Past even), but I don't think that discounts the game mechanics they explored in Skyward Sword that led to them creating the paraglider. I imagine being given the chance to work more with verticality in Skyward Sword gave them the experience they needed to create a more well-realized product in Breath of The Wild. Basically, what I'm saying is that when they say that the sailcloth was an inspiration for the paraglider they're not lying. I can't speak for the dev staff but I think the thought process generally went like: Cuccos -> Majora's Mask Deku Flowers -> Wind Waker's Korok Leaf and the Deku flowers in that game -> the Lake Hylia Cucco minigame in Twilight Princess -> Skyward Sword's full vertical travel + falling + sailcloth = paraglider.
@@everyany5000 I don't entirely agree with the lineage of game mechanics you listed out, since I think Cucco flying is mostly disconnected gameplay wise from the Deku Flowers and Korok Leaf, but I will concede that the Sailcloth likely isn't entirely unconnected to the Paraglider. But to give it credit as if it is at all a similar mechanic was the issue I had; the Korok Leaf bears similarities that I would liken to the Paraglider gameplay wise, but not the sailcloth. The similarities, art wise, are there, but I do think it's misleading to equate them the way Aonuma did. Still, your points are valid and well put, and I concede that I was definitely wrong about the armor upgrade thing ( I realized that a couple months ago and have been waiting for the inevitable comment pointing it out ever since LOL), so I think I'll concede you the victory in this debate. Plus, I have editing to do if I'm ever going to get this Link to the Past review out LMAO.
@@octorokreviewsI think it’s fair to critique skyward sword and it’s switch price but I definitely don’t think Aonuma was saying anything untrue in his statement.
I think I Personally had more fun with Zelda 1 than Botw and Botw was my first Zelda game. The only bad thing about this game is the combat but, I can excuse it because the rest of it is very good.
I wonder if you have heard of the game tower of druaga, which was an arcade game that some similar prefaced as used here. It was a Japanese game. It required experimentation to get through and each level had a different way to clear it. Lots of secrets.
Let's be real, the sailcloth is the second iteration of the wind waker leaf. Stamina was added, and tbf the do 4 things that kind of the same but different is kind of brought back to botw. But that is more of a problem with non linearity and all dungeouns being the first dungeon. We still aren't quite there, but ever more closer to the format being locked in.
This is how you make a goddamn videogame indeed, a handsoff approach is by far the most ingenious way to develop an adventure, Wich is why, one of my favorite titles from Nintendo, Super Metroid, reigns supreme. I love the new Metroid Dread as well, but man... I wish it was just a little bit more like Super Metroid: just you, and an entire world to explore. Anyways, amazing video, I hope for your channel's success! Your content is top notch!
I thought the Skyward Sword port at least had less shitty controls. Did they not make Fi less annoying? Because I adore her as a character even if her gameplay integration is god-awful.
Why all the hate for Zelda 2? :| I find some of the later installments more faulty, especially taking into account the technical advances between the games.
Level 7 was a cakewalk because your an experienced player. You played 6 levels and saved some extra keys so it actually unknowingly helped you out by not having to look hard or kill more or buy a key you just didn't know it
I think we all missed something. If zelda hid the eight peices in the levels that means she picked the enemies to guard them. So she wanted link to gi through all this on purpose. Was there something wrong with stashing them all in 8 bushes or walls. I knew that girl was trouble. But seriously it say she hid them, so she picked the monsters. AM I WRONG? OR CAN I NOT READ WHAT IT SAYS HELP PLEASE
This video is very good but why does it take 6 minutes to get to the point of the video. It's so unnecessary hearing about Skyward Sword and other things you don't even talk about it with much depth. Just my two cents. The rest of the video is great though
Not a bad point, but I included it for a few reasons: one, it was the catalyst for me even making videos in the first place, so it was a very important event in my mind at the time. Two, this is the beginning of a series of videos in which I'll review all of the Zelda games; thus, a preamble of sorts was necessary. Should it have been its own video? Probably, looking back in hindsight. But that's a mistake I've subsequently learned from and hopefully won't repeat in the future. Thanks for the compliment on the video as a whole, though; I made some mistakes with this one, but I'll continue to fine tune things as I make more.
@@octorokreviews okay that makes sense. Sorry if I came off aggressive, like I said this video is great and I'm definitely gonna watch more of yours vids!
@@josh440 No, don't sweat it. It was a completely valid point, and I'm happy that you liked the video enough to voice your opinion on it. So more than anything, thank you for watching and commenting on it like you did.
The original zeldas...even up until link to the past or the n64 games, had a darker tone. Check the illustrations of enemies in the manual and they definitely do not have any cutsy quality. It wasnt until the gamecube when nintendo wanted to cutsyfy everything. Kind of a shame. Muslim chanting in the fire temple and blood when you stab Gannon in the face just improves the game.
second quest is a troll fest but i do argue it is the best hard mode in zelda, which i consider to be a low bar. oot mq is a close second and hero mode is just artificial difficulty with little to no changes in other mechanics most of the time. despite messy door logic, i do think zelda 1 is one of the best entries in the series. yes it is clunky and has some archaic design choices (second quest having some of the worst dungeons in the series if you ask me), but in this game progression actually is handled pretty well. it is flexible and and actually has meaningful choices in how you can tackle the dungeons and reach end game. for example, you never need to buy the blue candle in either quest because level 7 has the red candle and you can get the magic rod with the book of magic in the second quest with a well timed shot against a moblin to open level 7 (which is also the only dungeon you can enter early and get nothing relevant in return. not even a small key like you can in level 4). small keys can be purchased which also affects the progression of some of the dungeons or you can go to level 8 after getting the bow and arrows and buying the candle to get the magic key. you can also reach ganon without the sword while getting the magic rod in level 6. despite some location and secret shortcomings in the first quest, the second quest does help make up for it. in fact, you can also go to level 6 and not complete it just to get the ladder to unlock level 8. also level 7 may be messy but its difficulty lies in the navigation and resources. it is the second largest dungeon in the first quest as well but also there is a pattern to its design. levels 4-6 have two bosses and 7 and 8 have 3 which are of the same sprite classes. levels 7-9 are like final exams of each enemy category. level 7 for the weak tiered enemies, 8 for mid and 9 for advanced. while i do think alttp is the better entry, it still had some missteps such as how it handled that flexible progression with the sword upgrades and also led to many trappings as the series continued until albw and botw pulled a 180, but not necessarily in the best executed manner if you ask me. i get that puzzle solving became more relevant, but it is also how the level design is structured where later entries can be less dependent on item based puzzles or have those items not found in dungeons.
@@octorokreviews hey there you are. You interested in a sponsor for a certain Zelda title? Say 30 min to an hour long? Like the approach you take and happy to make a nice donation for your time. What's the best way to contact you? X, Facebook,, Instagram let me know if you interested. Keep up the good work
@@NEStalgia1985 I really appreciate the gesture, but I would have to decline - purely on the principle that I am already planning on reviewing every game in the series (still working on that Ocarina Review lol). I'm not going to go out of order, and I don't want to compromise the integrity of my work. That being said: if you want to support my work, you're more than free to donate on my Patreon page (Link in the channel bio). All the same: I appreciate that you enjoy my work so much, and I hope you have a nice day.
@@octorokreviews enough said, patreon here I come. Keep up the good work. I'll find someone else to despise skyward sword for me until you get there lol. Can't wait to see your next video.
Aonuma is the look and expectation of what a gamer would expect a developer to look like. Kind of an a mr. Miyagi myth to him. Nintendo wishes miyamoto had his looks....the. theres takashi!!!!! If i was a switch hitter my oh my,gotta go
So are you saying i should or shouldn't try persona 5? Seriously? Dont mess with me, i dont wanna ruin my day. I LOVE ZELDA 1 THROUGH ALL....WILL I LIKE PERSONA 5
If you like turn based RPGs with deep roleplaying elements and lots of battle customization - yes. If you want a succinct, short burst of fun gameplay with advanced puzzle-solving elements and challenging action-based combat - no.
The adventure of link is a clear evolution to everything Zelda 1 tries to be, but for being a side scroller no one see that, literally, besides that, every aspect of the game is based in things that Zelda 1 tried or did
Great videos but i dont think you're doing yourself a favor with all the swearing... If they blow up sooner or later someone will end up reporting and your views are gone.
I’m personally offended to see Zelda 2 and Skyward Sword being put next to each other. Zelda 2 is miles and away better, it’s just not a typical Zelda game. Skyward Sword on the other hand is definitely a bad Zelda game.
A good analysis of the game and I'll check out if you've made more of these. Just one thing I don't like here. I don't know why you felt the need to shit on some other, unrelated games like Xenoblade 2 and Fire Emblem. Are they waifu bait? I can't deny that cute girls are part of the appeal for sure but they have a lot more to offer than this, like an intruiging story, interesting characters and setting. I just think you can point out how great Zelda 1 and all the others are without making fun of and playing down other games, there is just no need and feels insecure. Other than that I thought it was a good effort.
Still don't get the Skyward Sword hate. I loved this game, only Majora's Mask beat it out till Breath of the Wild (and later Tears of the Kingdom) came out. The directional combat was amazing and I took me a while to even want to play Breath of the Wild since I missed it so much and found the smash attack button combat boring at first.
Nearly 40 years? Nintendo was making pong consoles back in the 70's. That's more like 50 years that they've been making video games, and they've been making games in general for much longer than that. Not sure if that was an honest slip up or a failure to do research. Nintendo's been around for a long time.
An inaccurate oversimplification of videogame development before Zelda made me switch this video off. No mention of computer games, adventures or RPGs whatsoever. Zelda was not created in a vacuum. Jeremy Parish’s NES Works video on this game is worth a watch.
Why would I talk about the shitty computer RPGs from the 80’s in a video about Zelda? Especially when my focus was on the history of console gaming exclusively? The fact of the matter is that those old CRPGs were quite awful, and never managed to create the sense of continuity and adventure that Zelda did. That’s why I neglected to mention them - if I spent the whole video going over the history of gaming, it’d be dozens of hours in length. Besides, by your same logic, I could accuse you of failing to mention the table-top RPGs that inspired CRPGs, like Dungeons and Dragons. Does that make what you said inaccurate as well? Of course not. We have to start our histories somewhere, because if we really wanted to start at the beginning of things, we’d need to go all the way back to the dawn of man itself, because all works of art are derivative of prior works of art. It doesn’t make my video inaccurate to not mention literally every single piece of art that inspired it.
If the 80s computer RPGs were so shitty and irrelevant why was the console called the Family Computer System? You'd think Nintendo would want to distance themselves from awful garbage like that instead of catering to losers like Hideo Kojima and Hideki Kamiya who played stupid computer games because that's what was popular in Japan in the early 80s and influenced what came later. Maybe those people would have become relevant in the gaming industry if they imported Adventure on Atari 2600 from America instead like Miyamoto obviously did.
Just to be a shmuck, lack attack didn't beat the game without a sword. He beat most of the game without the sword then cut ganon up like fart through a fat womans intestine at a BBQ bean eat off and the only one who can prove it is duke and he's dead from sleeping in her bathtub....oh yeah in record time too
Aside from the obvious troll, we had to spend time mapping screens on paper, and remember where we went and didn't go. It was a real adventure for the time.
"Who designs this shit?" The original Zelda game is incredibly simple. It's a bit harder to get across more complex mechanics with something like, "Kill guys get key". I get the argument, but I find it to be invalid in the context you presented.
So funny thing, it’s been so long since I made this video that I forgot when I said that line, so I thought “oh, he’s talking about Persona 5’s tutorial; ok, there’s some nuance there.” Then I went back and saw that I was showing Final Fantasy 8 when I said that and… ha ha, yeah, that’s gonna be a hard no for me. That game bombards the player with an hours worth of tutorial information all at the very beginning of the game, and then DOES NOT STOP throughout the entire game. It was genuinely one of the worst RPGs I ever played, and it’s combat was really simple and dumb anyway; you just spam summons until you win, it takes forever and isn’t fun. Compare that to Final Fantasy 7, a game which is also more complex than Zelda, and you can immediately see the difference. I’ll make a video on that game one day (I actually have a script in the works on it), but it’s WAY better at conveying it’s systems than FF8 ever could be. As a final note, just because a game is more complex doesn’t mean it’s exempt from having to be designed well. Yes, Zelda is comparatively simple, but when it was first made, it was potentially one of the longest video games ever made; was it exempt then from proper design? Of course not, and neither are RPGs from the 90’s; I’ve played many RPGs in my day and not many are great at naturally conveying how to play them without loads of pop ups, but they do exist and they’re all WAY better than FF8. So in conclusion, I do not believe my arguments about this game’s design are “invalid” simply because it’s old and comparatively simple.
Im 2011 skyward sword filled my zelda needs lol, plus it introduced my 5 year old to the franchise who loves it do much he runs around with a paper towel tube master sword and even calls cat link....hed wake up ahead of play game and wake me up when he needed me to read text on screen lol.....hello😊😊😊😊😊😊😅😮😮😢😢😢🎉🎉😂😂🎉😢😢😮😅😅😅😊😊
Level 7 may have been trying to prepare you for more complicated, obtuse dungeons more than for tougher combat considering it requires you come in prepared with bait or return after getting bait. It also doesn't have enough keys, so you have to bring spares or find your own way around locked doors and even the only path forward includes many bombable doors. They also don't want to have the difficulty increase steadily either; from a psychological standpoint you want the difficulty to be a series of spikes that trend up. Just having the difficulty steadily rise without falling will wear players out. There are a lot of reasons level 7 may be the way it is. Also the original Fire Emblem is held back by a lot more... the first thing I thought was "Damn, this music is grating af." The next thing is "wait, it's not giving me any kind of forecast when I try to attack an enemy... ok, can I even look at my stats and their stats?" You actually can, it's just a really slow, unintuitive process that no other game makes you go through. I don't know how the game got sequels; even Gaiden already was more forthcoming with letting you look at stats despite not having a forecast. The first game is stingy with the information you need to make smart decisions, tries to disrupt your thinking with audio torture and punishes those sub-optimal decisions with permadeath. Just kick me in the nuts and be done.
Found an old floppy disk in my desk about a year ago. My 10 year old looked at me and said "oh neat, daddy, where did you get a 3D print of the save icon?" 😂😂💀💀
these zelda videos are really nice, I admire the dedication, long-form video essay content is a lot of work but you got good audio, scripts, and editing, so keep it up!
Yeah, Zelda II: The Adventure of Link is not actually a bad game. Not at all. It got a bad wrap because it was so different from the first game, but is by no means an unworthy entry. I think that you meant to put Zelda CD there. In fact, none of the games in your "very bad game" picture are even half bed. Even if they are not the best.
LOL okay, you say all of that with a lot of confidence despite providing absolutely no evidence to back your claims. I don’t know what you consider a bad game, but Zelda 2 has objectively terrible game design littered throughout its runtime, and I made a 40 minute research video that documented exactly why that is. I don’t know how you can be so sure of yourself without having taken the effort to analyze it for yourself, but if you have an argument in favor of your claim, by all means, I’d love to hear it.
@@octorokreviews I guess that I just approach video games from an entirely different perspective than you do. I discovered Zelda II in a round about way later in life (and by later in life I mean my mid/late twenties) because of the show "Adventure Time." The last Zelda game I had played was the first game back in the late 80s when I was a kid. I have since played most of the other Zelda games. So, Adventure Time comes along and it's a hit in my house, my whole family loved it including my cousins. So when the first Adventure Time game came out on both the DS and 3DS I picked up a copy. It was a simple game but I loved the wit and charm. I even enjoyed that it combined an overworld with side scrolling game play. It was clearly an homage to classic NES games. So I looked it up online to discover that the game designers said that they intended it to be a modernized Zelda II clone in the spirit of the classic NES era when game clones were common as part of the meta humor of the Adventure Time game. So I found a copy of Zelda II and played it. When I did I found the simple wit and humor equally charming. Admittedly if you don't remember the 80s some of it might be lost on the player. It's the same reason I love the original Resident Evil and Silent Hill games so much, yes even the Skyward Sword and the Renegade Kid game Moon (later renamed Moon Chronicles for its 3DS re-release). Those games had so much wit and humor built right into the game design. I play games for two reasons really exploration/adventure (any Silent Hill, any Metroid, Dead Space, Halo to some degree, Minecraft, Dwarf Fortress), and humor/charm (most Zelda games, a surprising number of sports games, Patapon, Professor Layton, Phoenix Wright, most Final Fantasy games). You get the point.
I SO wanted to leave you a dislike due to your blasphemy against Majora’s Mask in multiple sections of this video as well as the blink and you miss it potshot at Xenogears… BUUUT… since this IS a video about Zelda 1 and you did a fantastic job covering that which in the end was the entire point of this video I am reserving my contempt and giving you a thumbs up / like for this video and reserving my ire for three years from now when you finally complete your Majora’s Mask video, lol. Also, I did really like your Ocarina of Time video and glad you reduced the amount of blink and you miss it on screen text boxes compared to this one. As someone with OCD who has to pause and rewind a video every time that stuff comes onscreen otherwise I will not consider myself to have watched the complete video, that s**t is absolute hell for me. It’s what is making watching Orion C’s ‘Breath of the Wild - An Analysis’ series absolute hell for me as, although I tend to really like and agree with almost everything he has to say about that game, the fact he has to add some sort of parenthetical text on screen text every 10 seconds makes videos that should only last one hour take three for me with all the pausing, rewinding, restarting and pausing (heaven forbid I hit pause too slowly and the text is off the screen and I’m forced to rewind a second time). I had to do this a few times this video but hardly at all in your Ocarina of Time video and nothing close to Orion C’s videos so thank goodness for that. Not that I’m at all bashing Orion C’s videos. If you like the first few hours of Breath of the Wild but want to watch a video that explains really well why the subsequent hundreds of hours did not hit nearly as well, his videos do a fantastic job breaking down every detail as to why the game did a great job in certain respects but failed so badly in others. Just be prepared to sit down for a while as some of the videos in part 3 of his series are VERY long.
You can thank one of my commenters for that haha. Someone expressed the same thoughts as you did about the text boxes as I was editing the Ocarina of Time review, so I decided to make a rule to leave every text box on screen for no less than one full second. I'm going to keep to that rule from now on, so that anyone who wants to read my thoughts doesn't have to work for it lol
Honestly, I think the original had the best balance between linearity and openness. It’s not my favorite, mostly because the gameplay isn’t as good as a lot of the others. But the adventure aspect is balanced well
Link to Past and Ocarina of Time are awesome but the original was the first one I played and it will always be my deep down favorite Zelda game. I know every inch of that game and I adore it.
I really miss this game, even if I can play it whenever I want. I think part of the reason why it gets so little official love is because what the game series now is, this one sort of isn't. Numerous elements of Zelda are absent; no Master Sword, little to no instruction, many other iconic apparatus absent. Ganon was long ago abandoned for his overused, slightly less Saturday morning cartoon villain human form, Gdorf. To many younger players, and to Nintendo, it doesn't feel like Zelda; it would be worse than telling a big Street Fighter series fan to go back to SF 1, after they learned to love it with 2, 4, or really if an Alpha game was their first dip. It would be nice, but with no towns, so few NPCs, and the like, I don't think they could remake it on Switch in a good way it deserves. The second bit is price. They'd want to charge full price, and there's no way they could.
Hey, I really liked Spirit Tracks if it's any consolation! It felt like the devs understood all the mistakes they made in PH and the limitations of the DS, and made a Zelda game for the system, rather than fighting against it. Also, Spirit Tracks Zelda is my favorite iteration of the character in the entire series.
@@alexbedel6320 That is odd. I've seen the same sentiment amongst people who played it back when it first came out (I did not). Perhaps this is because PH reuses a lot of the Wind Waker's music and themes, whereas ST tried something different with the locomotives? That likely didn't jive with fans of the Wind Waker, who were likely the same kids that owned DS's anyway. I could see that.
@@octorokreviews maybe your right about that. I never got the opportunity to make an emotional bond with wind waker. So the negative connotation I could have associated with being so similar never happened. However phantom Hourglass was oodles of fun for me. I wasn't really a kid when I played it either. However I found the exploration and discovery to be fun and engaging. I also liked the ocean temple because it was fun seeing how new items and tactics and progress changed how you tackle the situation. I also like dungeon delving as a concept and getting further deeper was exceptional fun for me personally. The controls were nice as I remember, and I also enjoyed upgrading my ship. It wasn't the most challenging game to be fair, but hey it was fun! In my own ranking I have to say I enjoyed it alot in similar ways to ocarina of time. Exploration is key. It was a different kind of exploration. Breath of the wild isn't as fun for me. Yes there is a lot of exploration, but most of the game is terrain in shapes, or ruins, and the difficulty is higher. (I'm saying I suck lol.) I look forward to the rest of your reviews, because they greatly entertain me! Thanks for being awesome.
Great video! I saw your massive four-hour OoT review first and wanted to check the rest of these out, as you make these very entertaining and compelling. PS: I loved the recurring Manhandla bit.
I like your analysis- one issue though. I disagree with your take on level 7. Level 7 requires the player to hunt for secret ways to find a basement shortcut, making the player basically push every single block there until they find the right one. This teaches the player a skill they will need in level 8 and, OMFG, level 9. I think that was the lesson (and point) of level 7.
I suppose it does introduce that, but that doesn't mean the rest of the dungeon couldn't have been more challenging as well. That's a good take away though - it is important to understand the disjointed nature of Level 9 before entering it, and levels 7 and 8 introduce that concept.
Hello Oktorok! :) I am from Switzerland and I made a few custom quests based on The Legend of Zelda (NES) on a tool called Zelda Classic (on the PC), which were intended to be like the Japanese version of Mario 2 (Lost Levels), so basically a Zelda 1 for "super players" or Zelda Lost Levels, coming with enhanced graphics and new enemies, new items, some items requiring magic to function, a new soundtrack, a dark overworld, and much more. Would you be open to playtest this and review it on your channel? I'd luv that. ^^ ~ Matt
I've met many fans who thought SS was a brand new Zelda switch game.....all because they got introduced to it through BOTW..... technically it's not rebuying a old Zelda title to some it's a unplayed entry they never knew of cuz they migrated off of Sony and came to be fan people. Plus I noticed recently that most not a lot of Zelda lovers are trans, I just don't get today's kids. I'm a girl, but I'm a boy to play Zelda.....im a boy but I love persona so I'm a girl .....where do thesr kids get all this sex change money
I was a dumb 4yo who couldn't think of a name by myself, so I just named the game file Zelda. And yes, I thought that was Link's name. And I was excited when it gave my Link sprite a sword. Of course, it was so hard I gave up. I returned to the game and gave the new file my name, and was so confused to why it was different. I was glad it was easier, though.
Hey wait, I'm an older Zelda fan (my first game) and I loved skyward sword ate first but now I just like it. I don't hate it so check your facts octo....nah I can't stay mad at ya, your octorok makes me laugh. Now BOTW and TOTK are by far my newest faves based on the new innovations. However my favorite Zelda game is part 1....why because you can relive a part of the past and not have to relive the past while you do. Meaning you needed atleast a summer vacation or a half a school year to beat part one, now I can do it in 45 minutes tops. Throw in save states and I can do it in 25....now where's my skyward sword hatred video octo
Fun video idea, I enjoyed the amount of work you put into this. With that being said, some of the swearing/cursing you were doing came off as gratuitous and kind of cringe at times. Also, yes, it's very enjoyable when games guide you rather than hold your hand, but some newbies or busy people find the "telling" much more convenient than "showing". Just because one kind of game design is engaging, doesn't mean another isn't. Skyward Sword is a good game, your opinion is valid but it is not a bad game. Good job on the video, very cohesive.
Hey, thanks for the feedback! I'll certainly take that comment on the cursing into account, though I do want to preface that, while the rants were hyperbolic, they still were filled with my genuine opinions; I hate the opening to Persona 5, and I was dumbfounded by the repeat boss at the end of Level 7. As for the second part, I think it's absolutely true that games can have different ways of teaching players and still be valid and fun experiences; for example, I love Ocarina of Time and Twilight Princess, and both of those games have large swaths of tutorials and expository dialogue. Still, I think there's a difference between a game telling you how to play it, like OoT and TP, and a game that never lets go of the handlebars, like Skyward Sword. Besides that, there are large swaths of other issues I have with that game, like the inconsistent motion controls, the simplistic dungeon design, and the story, but that's going to be its own video some day. Thanks so much for your comment; you don't know how much it means to me to see something I made inspire discussion, which is what I want more than anything else out of this experience. And yes, I'll tone back the rants too; they probably were a bit much, in retrospect.
@@octorokreviews It's clear you put a ton of effort into your videos and your narration is great. Your opinions are valid and this is your channel so you can say whatever you want. What I said was just my feelings on the video and I figured I could at least give your review an interaction to help with the TH-cam algorithm. Above everything else, I appreciate the effort that you've gone through with this video, and clearly the effort you go through with your replies. You made some social media just because of a comment? I appreciate that. I look forward to your future videos
@@--Avi-- Thank you, and believe me I was very happy to see your comment and to be able to interact with someone who presented their opinion in a level-headed and concise way like you did. And more than anything, these videos are being presented to an audience; they can't just be made for my own self-gratification, so while I'll always stay true to my opinions on games, I want to fine tune my content to the best of my abilities, and the only way I can ever do that is through honest and detailed comments like yours.
skyward sword gets too much hate. the motion controls should have been optional. same issue with starfox zero. otherwise its a solid game. the game itself was enjoyable and seeing the origin of the master sword. ganon/demise and zelda and all was a fun journey ...its pretty cool and epic lore wise. for any real zelda fan it should be given a play. also og nes zelda was used as a protoype for what would become BOTW. lol interesting. anyhow. i think newer gen fans cant really handle the older games. on graphic style and on difficulty. especially the nes-snes-gb zeldas. but those are some of the best of the entire franchise. LTTP being my fav of all time.
Hum... Well, despite being born in late '81 and desperately (peer pressure and excitement) wanting to play Zelda 1 when I got my NES, well... We had no money to speak of for games so I got bargain bin games mostly both for the NES and SNES. So still being AWARE of the Zelda francize up to that point my real true encounter with a Zelda game was OoT on my N64, both of which I spent my own hard earned money on. Linear games have never bothered me very much, I like focus on story and characters first. Open world games usually get in the way of that. That is why BotW is only in third place on my personal list below Twilight Princess and OoT. (If anyone is curious what is in fourth, that would be Skyward Sword, just sayin' ;-) ) I think what I am TRYING to say here it that everyone have their own experience with Zelda et al, and I am perfectly happy to let them have their own meanings about them all. Just because they differ from my own does not make them WRONG in any way, it is all subjective. I mean my bottom tier on my list are quite beloved by others, and to be fair my list is all on the positive side but any game have to be by the nature of list be at the bottom. Only, some people feel by that that "you hate this game"! I don't. I just feel like the games further up on that list relates to me more. That does not mean they are better or worse, it is only my opinion. So what if I find Wind Waker a bit tedious or have some issues with the time mechanics of Majora's Mask. They are great games but I have... issues with them, especially the latter. And last, though I never GOT those first Zelda games in my youth I HAVE later played every single one, not all to completion but still. And I have seem LPs on most of them. Even the two VERY bad ones that are NOT canon in any way shape of form. True Zelda fans know what I mean, I do not want to sully the uniniciated, they might get the wrong idea eh? :-P
Surprised that you said that it's necessary to get the white sword to kill Pols Voice in dungeon 5 but don't mention that it's much easier to use arrows to kill Pols Voice in 1 shot. And according to your video the player may have already picked up the bow to shoot arrows way back in dungeon 1. Good video otherwise.
Imma be real with you, chief - I never thought to use the bow against them lol. You can seriously kill the Pols Voice with one arrow? It's insane just how many new things I learn about this game even after all these years, and after making an hour long review of it. Well, thank you so much for telling me that, and for the compliment on the video!
@@octorokreviews I appreciate your honesty, also in your video. Sound genuine. Yeah, arrows actually kill multiple Pols Voices if you line your shot up well: th-cam.com/video/XpFyUVIYQAs/w-d-xo.htmlm30s The explanation is that Pols Voice in the Japanese version are killed instantly using the mic on controller 2 on the Famicom, so because the NES doesn't have a mic, the NES Zelda instead makes Pols Voice weak against arrows to compensate.
@@octorokreviews Yeah it's wild how many secrets and how much game play depth there is to enjoy in this game that's 36 years old. I just beat for the first time a few days ago. The exploration and combat depth had me hooked and it was a struggle to not play all day and blow off work.
@@dtape That's crazy. The funny thing is that I did a lot of research going into this review, especially about the original Famicom title, so I knew about the microphone killing the Pols Voice. But I never knew that the localization team added in a weakness to arrows to compensate for the loss of that mechanic overseas. I feel like I could play these games 100 times and still never figure out everything about them. Thank you so much for sharing that.
When I 100% completed Zelda II: The Adventure of Link, I was mentally exhausted. But when I saw this after. It felt like I wasted a portion of my life on a stupid rpg ripoff
The freedom the player has in doing each dungeon in any order he so pleases. The game structure in that sense is remarkably similar, and the devs are quoted as saying as much. They even made an early 8-but concept demo of the game that looked remarkably similar to the original Legend of Zelda.
@@octorokreviews I know they made an 8 bit concept demo but that's pretty flimsy. There are only four dungeons in Breath of the Wild, so doing them in any order doesn't amount to much. As for how the game structure is similar... how? I mean, you move around a world but that's about it. Not knocking BotW or Zelda1 here, but I just don't see how Zelda1 is more of an influence than any of the 3d Zelda games. It has more of Ocarina of Time's DNA than Zelda 1.
Feb 12, 1986 I'm proud to be born that day
Imagine a 3d remake of zelda one and two.
That would be awsome
A few people have taken a crack at generating 3D overworlds. They are on TH-cam.
God, that would be cool.
Just think about the grim, bleak world of OG LoZ. So few people, no towns, just people hiding in caves. I know SOME of that is just hardware limitations, but canonically that world would be even more ravaged than BoTW. Probably similar to the word of BoTW 1 year after the calamity
We kinda already got that. Just not literally one for one remakes. OoT of time was heavily inspired by Link's Adventure, it's combat system was them trying to bring the original games combat into 3D. This is also why the sages were named after towns in it. Breath of the Wild pretty much is a Zelda 1 reboot.
Hey Octo, just a note on Dodongos. You can detonate a bomb just in front of them, and if close enough, they get stunned and can be defeated with the sword for a guaranteed bomb drop. This also saves 3 bombs from force-feeding them the normal way.
This alternative method is told by the old man in Level-2, who says "Dodongo dislikes smoke," hinting that if they inhale smoke they can be defeated.
Yeah, someone commented that a couple years ago and I tried it out - it does, indeed, work. Thanks for watching!
@@octorokreviews Oh, didn't realize someone else had already pointed that out! You're welcome! I've enjoyed your videos since I found your channel in the past year!
Beat this one for the first time tonight! On a big Zelda kick right now, I loved the N64 entries when I was a kid so after replaying OOT recently I've decided to play them all in order. This video series is exactly what I need. Definitely earned a sub!
Great video and I love how you praised the game design, I'd heard for years about a guide was "necessary" to beat it but I'm adamant about not using walkthroughs. I downloaded the original manual and scanned it, but I think the game does a great job of easing you into it and was pleasantly surprised by how assessable it was. The overworld opens up more and more after you get stuff like the candle and bombs, and I love how the old man and Impa give you just enough of a nudge to help you find dungeons without flat out telling you what needs to be done. Also appreciate how the secrets are also intuitively placed on the overworld . The moment I bought a candle I found dungeon 8 because I recognized that bush was burnable! Well designed and not the "You need a guide game." I'd been led to believe.
Great game, great review. Now to struggle with Zelda II for a month lol.
Amazing video! Two comments: 1) the manual that the game originally came with had a lot of tips and locations of some things on part of the map. 2) I think it’s a stretch to say that level 6 indicates to the player that they need the magic shield. All it does it indicate that the new enemy you face is hard. There’s nothing to really indicate that there’s a specific shield in the game that can help.
Sure? At that point of the game the player has discovered in the overworld the magic shield for sell. He probably is asking himself what is the difference with the normal shield, bat at that point of the game he could survive just with the normal one. In the first 5 dungeons and in the overworld (he doesn't need to go to the death mountain) there are only fire balls. But with a lots of wizzrobes the dangeon became so hard that the players think "for sure the shield can protect me from this magis waves, it would be a good idea to go out and buy it".
You can say, there is no a clear message "buy a shield" or similar, but... this is the great of the game, it doesn't say explicit to the player what to do, he forces him to understand what he needs, to realize himself what to do.
And, after he has buyed the magic shield and discovered that the like like can eat it, he realizes the the combination of the two enemy (wizzrobe and like like) isn't casual...
That manual also have the description of the enemies, their weaknesses and the items uses....
Honestly I enjoyed the whole video. Take my sub
if you didn't die 100 times before beating dungeon 2 did you even play the 1986 legend of zelda?
(help I don't see myself beating this game in the near future)
Surprised you didn’t seem to learn that dodongo can be more easily killed by the smoke of 1 bomb instead of feeding him 3 bombs.
Mostly hyped to see younger folks realize these games are amazing! 🙏🏼
LOL right? I didn't learn that until a couple months after uploading this video, which speaks to just how many things are hidden in this game. It's part of why I love it so much.
It is not so easy to discover. I played it al lot and discovered it only after watching a video. There are many other things to knows, for example the pols voice can be easily killed with a single arrow.
@@danielec3269 There is text that hints at it in game, but it's easy to miss or misunderstand, like a lot of the clues in the NES Zelda titles.
Oohoohoo, we have polar opposite opinions about Link to the Past and Skyward Sword, interesting. As someone who's also played (almost) every Zelda game (minus Tri Force Heros at the moment), it'll be interesting to compare our feelings.
Links Adventure isn’t a bad game I really like that one. I will admit I got it a little after release (getting Mario 2 and Links adventure was a huge pain because of a chip shortage back then. My mom basically befriended everyone at Toys R Us and they let her know when a truck was coming with a few copies of each bless her soul) so there probably is some nostalgia with my opinion on it.
I’m so glad you touched on video game history because i pretty much comment on all these NES LoZ videos how incredible it was to go from Atari, collecovision and intellevision to the original Zelda. Just incredible and a great thing to experience as a seven year old it had my imagination running wild and made me a fan of gaming for life. My next door neighbor and neighbor 3 houses down both had it and when we weren’t all playing we were outside running around discussing all the things we found and trading secrets. Great video and review covering a great game.
Settling in for some noms and another Octoreview 🔥 time for zen
0:40 - Blew my mind! I don't consider myself a "fan," but I did own it for the original NES back when it was a new release. Also played 2, Link to the Past, and now the 2 Switch games. I never played the others because I had transitioned from a child to a young adult and didn't have disposable income. I couldn't afford to keep buying new consoles. Then by time emulation was an option, I was on to more sophisticated games. Kind of wish I had played them since I've since learned that a lot of the Switch games come from some of the earlier games.
I played a bit of the nintendo online version, and whilst i havent gotten the second peice yet, i am enjoying it alot!
This video deserves 10 times the views
Thank you for the compliment; I’m glad to hear you enjoyed it!
@@octorokreviews Yeah brought back some memories, I remember getting this new and it made me think of showing it to my girlfriend since she didn't grow up around video games, see how she likes it.
Quality content, i look forward to hearing and comparing your thoughts on the series many of us grew up with.
Thanks! It sure will take a while to critique every single game in the series, but I still plan on doing it nonetheless.
Best review of this game ive seen. And ive been working my way through all of them I can find
Thanks! I worked really hard on it way back in the day, and I'm glad to see it's still giving people joy! I think my videos got much better over time, but this first one will always hold a special place in my heart.
3:55 Yes it does. You have to collect items to upgrade armor. Also, the sailcloth mechanic in Skyward Sword actually is a lot like the one in Breath of The Wild it's just presented a bit differently. In Skyward Sword, falling can be used to travel brief distances and maneuver onto platforms with the sailcloth there to break your fall. the same is true of the paraglider in Breath of The Wild. The main change they made was making the paraglider handle the whole process instead of just as a means to break your fall. It was also slightly changed to incentivize forward travel rather than for tighter maneuvering within a round area as per Skyward Sword, but overall it's a very similar mechanic and it's very easy to see how the sailcloth could've translated to Breath of The Wild's paraglider. Look no further than the Game Awards footage back in 2014 when the paraglider was still the sailcloth if you need any more proof.
Regarding your first point, yes that's correct. I forgot about that mechanic's existence in BOTW, and only remembered it after this video's publication. So yeah, I was wrong about that one. As for the sailcloth comment, though, I must protest. The sailcloth is a completely different item than the Paraglider, with almost no similarity whatsoever. The Sailcloth breaks your fall - that's it. The skydiving aspect also only allows you to control your descent in a very limited fashion - neither of these mechanics are useful for traversal, only for the cannon minigame. Other than that, it's purely a visual flare with no real effect on gameplay.
The Paraglider, on the other hand, completely alters the way you see the world of BOTW and how you traverse in that world. It' purpose is not to break your fall - it's to give the player near complete freedom in how he gets from point A to point B. There's practically no lineage to speak of here in terms of game design, and the Sailcloth being used as a placeholder art asset in 2014 is not proof of that (the game was far from complete at that point and, as the Nintendo Space World 2000 fiasco is more than proof of, old art assets are used in tech demos all the time, and are not indicative of the next game's design).
As someone who has played every game in the series, it was pretty clear to me while playing Wind Waker that the Korok Leaf was likely the true origin of the Paraglider concept. Just like in BOTW, the Korok Leaf changes the way the player sees the level designs of Wind Waker from that point onwards, and operates nearly the same way (forward movement, a stamina gauge determining how long you can use it, wind effecting its upward movement, etc.). The Korok Leaf is practically the same device, just in a game with less opportunities to use it - to me, it seems pretty clear that, when looking back at previous games for inspiration, someone at Nintendo saw the Korok Leaf and had the idea to design the whole game's map around using it, which was the greatest creative decision made in BOTW, in my opinion.
@@octorokreviews I do agree with you in the sense that they're using selective evidence to try to convince the Breath of The Wild fans to pick up Skyward Sword and that the $60 price tag is a ripoff, but to ignore the parallels doesn't do any good either. My argument is not that the sailcloth was the only inspiration for the paraglider merely that the two mechanics are very similar and that there's a clear throughline to be had between Breath of The Wild and Skyward Sword. I cite the game awards example because the sailcloth shows that they made a connection between the two items and probably saw that the potential for the sailcloth could be greater. Also, Nintendo Space World, if I remember correctly, showcased a tech demo not an early build of Wind Waker itself, unlike the Game Awards showcase which was showing off an early version of Breath of The Wild. I do definitely agree that the korok leaf could easily have a lot to do with the inevitable creation of the paraglider, as well as cuccos, which could be argued is where the concept as a whole actually originates (as far back as Link to The Past even), but I don't think that discounts the game mechanics they explored in Skyward Sword that led to them creating the paraglider. I imagine being given the chance to work more with verticality in Skyward Sword gave them the experience they needed to create a more well-realized product in Breath of The Wild. Basically, what I'm saying is that when they say that the sailcloth was an inspiration for the paraglider they're not lying. I can't speak for the dev staff but I think the thought process generally went like: Cuccos -> Majora's Mask Deku Flowers -> Wind Waker's Korok Leaf and the Deku flowers in that game -> the Lake Hylia Cucco minigame in Twilight Princess -> Skyward Sword's full vertical travel + falling + sailcloth = paraglider.
@@everyany5000 I don't entirely agree with the lineage of game mechanics you listed out, since I think Cucco flying is mostly disconnected gameplay wise from the Deku Flowers and Korok Leaf, but I will concede that the Sailcloth likely isn't entirely unconnected to the Paraglider. But to give it credit as if it is at all a similar mechanic was the issue I had; the Korok Leaf bears similarities that I would liken to the Paraglider gameplay wise, but not the sailcloth. The similarities, art wise, are there, but I do think it's misleading to equate them the way Aonuma did. Still, your points are valid and well put, and I concede that I was definitely wrong about the armor upgrade thing ( I realized that a couple months ago and have been waiting for the inevitable comment pointing it out ever since LOL), so I think I'll concede you the victory in this debate. Plus, I have editing to do if I'm ever going to get this Link to the Past review out LMAO.
@@octorokreviewsI think it’s fair to critique skyward sword and it’s switch price but I definitely don’t think Aonuma was saying anything untrue in his statement.
I think I Personally had more fun with Zelda 1 than Botw and Botw was my first Zelda game. The only bad thing about this game is the combat but, I can excuse it because the rest of it is very good.
I wonder if you have heard of the game tower of druaga, which was an arcade game that some similar prefaced as used here. It was a Japanese game. It required experimentation to get through and each level had a different way to clear it. Lots of secrets.
Let's be real, the sailcloth is the second iteration of the wind waker leaf. Stamina was added, and tbf the do 4 things that kind of the same but different is kind of brought back to botw. But that is more of a problem with non linearity and all dungeouns being the first dungeon. We still aren't quite there, but ever more closer to the format being locked in.
Thanks really enjoyed this!
This is how you make a goddamn videogame indeed, a handsoff approach is by far the most ingenious way to develop an adventure, Wich is why, one of my favorite titles from Nintendo, Super Metroid, reigns supreme. I love the new Metroid Dread as well, but man... I wish it was just a little bit more like Super Metroid: just you, and an entire world to explore.
Anyways, amazing video, I hope for your channel's success! Your content is top notch!
Holy crap Batman he gave it a decent score. See i told you hes a video game comedian with respect.....sweet.....dude.....what dies mine say....SWEET
I’ve heard that level 7 is mainly to show the player how far they’ve gone, and to give a slight break from the intensity of the dungeons.
Miyamoto San it's time for Zelda iron chef
I’ve played ever one and yes I recommend most
Highly disagree with the Persona 5 rant:
Still loved your video tho!
Wait ive beaten every one too. I remember making fake radio school cancellations in 87 to beat the second quest
they did actually remake this game, but it was digital only and only in Japan :(
I thought the Skyward Sword port at least had less shitty controls. Did they not make Fi less annoying? Because I adore her as a character even if her gameplay integration is god-awful.
Why all the hate for Zelda 2? :| I find some of the later installments more faulty, especially taking into account the technical advances between the games.
good video
Level 7 was a cakewalk because your an experienced player. You played 6 levels and saved some extra keys so it actually unknowingly helped you out by not having to look hard or kill more or buy a key you just didn't know it
43:54 "Level 9 serves as a wonderful ass top on this journey" ;p
LOL *Last stop. Sorry, my enunciation could use some work.
56 hits for the skeleton ball, gets less with levelling. I used to spend an hour in palace 1 and hit level 4 4 4 then place game
I’ve tried to make it a point to play every single game made. I actually liked skyward sword when it got button controls.
Pols voices are 1 shot by arrows!!!!!!!!!!
So here me out. They did make a remake or a remastered for this game. It's called binding of Issac 😅
I think we all missed something. If zelda hid the eight peices in the levels that means she picked the enemies to guard them. So she wanted link to gi through all this on purpose. Was there something wrong with stashing them all in 8 bushes or walls. I knew that girl was trouble. But seriously it say she hid them, so she picked the monsters. AM I WRONG? OR CAN I NOT READ WHAT IT SAYS HELP PLEASE
This video is very good but why does it take 6 minutes to get to the point of the video. It's so unnecessary hearing about Skyward Sword and other things you don't even talk about it with much depth. Just my two cents. The rest of the video is great though
Not a bad point, but I included it for a few reasons: one, it was the catalyst for me even making videos in the first place, so it was a very important event in my mind at the time. Two, this is the beginning of a series of videos in which I'll review all of the Zelda games; thus, a preamble of sorts was necessary. Should it have been its own video? Probably, looking back in hindsight. But that's a mistake I've subsequently learned from and hopefully won't repeat in the future. Thanks for the compliment on the video as a whole, though; I made some mistakes with this one, but I'll continue to fine tune things as I make more.
@@octorokreviews okay that makes sense. Sorry if I came off aggressive, like I said this video is great and I'm definitely gonna watch more of yours vids!
@@josh440 No, don't sweat it. It was a completely valid point, and I'm happy that you liked the video enough to voice your opinion on it. So more than anything, thank you for watching and commenting on it like you did.
I bought it again :D
1:11 I'd rather play those than any of the CDI games
No no no octo, Vietnam used spider holes not Japan 🗾
Break down the second quest dammit! Just log your name in as "Zelda" at the beginning!!
The original zeldas...even up until link to the past or the n64 games, had a darker tone. Check the illustrations of enemies in the manual and they definitely do not have any cutsy quality. It wasnt until the gamecube when nintendo wanted to cutsyfy everything. Kind of a shame.
Muslim chanting in the fire temple and blood when you stab Gannon in the face just improves the game.
second quest is a troll fest but i do argue it is the best hard mode in zelda, which i consider to be a low bar. oot mq is a close second and hero mode is just artificial difficulty with little to no changes in other mechanics most of the time.
despite messy door logic, i do think zelda 1 is one of the best entries in the series. yes it is clunky and has some archaic design choices (second quest having some of the worst dungeons in the series if you ask me), but in this game progression actually is handled pretty well. it is flexible and and actually has meaningful choices in how you can tackle the dungeons and reach end game. for example, you never need to buy the blue candle in either quest because level 7 has the red candle and you can get the magic rod with the book of magic in the second quest with a well timed shot against a moblin to open level 7 (which is also the only dungeon you can enter early and get nothing relevant in return. not even a small key like you can in level 4). small keys can be purchased which also affects the progression of some of the dungeons or you can go to level 8 after getting the bow and arrows and buying the candle to get the magic key. you can also reach ganon without the sword while getting the magic rod in level 6. despite some location and secret shortcomings in the first quest, the second quest does help make up for it. in fact, you can also go to level 6 and not complete it just to get the ladder to unlock level 8.
also level 7 may be messy but its difficulty lies in the navigation and resources. it is the second largest dungeon in the first quest as well but also there is a pattern to its design. levels 4-6 have two bosses and 7 and 8 have 3 which are of the same sprite classes. levels 7-9 are like final exams of each enemy category. level 7 for the weak tiered enemies, 8 for mid and 9 for advanced. while i do think alttp is the better entry, it still had some missteps such as how it handled that flexible progression with the sword upgrades and also led to many trappings as the series continued until albw and botw pulled a 180, but not necessarily in the best executed manner if you ask me. i get that puzzle solving became more relevant, but it is also how the level design is structured where later entries can be less dependent on item based puzzles or have those items not found in dungeons.
Yo octo, do you still read these messages? If so I got a question for you about making a special video. Let me know, Or dont
Go ahead: what’s your question?
@@octorokreviews hey there you are. You interested in a sponsor for a certain Zelda title? Say 30 min to an hour long? Like the approach you take and happy to make a nice donation for your time. What's the best way to contact you? X, Facebook,, Instagram let me know if you interested. Keep up the good work
@@NEStalgia1985 I really appreciate the gesture, but I would have to decline - purely on the principle that I am already planning on reviewing every game in the series (still working on that Ocarina Review lol). I'm not going to go out of order, and I don't want to compromise the integrity of my work. That being said: if you want to support my work, you're more than free to donate on my Patreon page (Link in the channel bio). All the same: I appreciate that you enjoy my work so much, and I hope you have a nice day.
@@octorokreviews enough said, patreon here I come. Keep up the good work. I'll find someone else to despise skyward sword for me until you get there lol. Can't wait to see your next video.
I like the review but I do think your cons besides level 7 are over critical. I'd say 9.5/10 best game on the console.
Aonuma is the look and expectation of what a gamer would expect a developer to look like. Kind of an a mr. Miyagi myth to him. Nintendo wishes miyamoto had his looks....the. theres takashi!!!!! If i was a switch hitter my oh my,gotta go
So are you saying i should or shouldn't try persona 5? Seriously? Dont mess with me, i dont wanna ruin my day. I LOVE ZELDA 1 THROUGH ALL....WILL I LIKE PERSONA 5
If you like turn based RPGs with deep roleplaying elements and lots of battle customization - yes. If you want a succinct, short burst of fun gameplay with advanced puzzle-solving elements and challenging action-based combat - no.
@@octorokreviews final fantasy wasn't my cup of tea....if I'm just gonna see hp pop up I'm out
I went with earthbound
I liked skyward sword minus the threesomes
Persona 5 pisses me off
Skyward sword DEF influence BOTW in many ways. Including art style. Inarguably.
The adventure of link isn’t bad.
Neither is the Zelda cartoon that was based on it.
I highly recommend checking a look.
The adventure of link is a clear evolution to everything Zelda 1 tries to be, but for being a side scroller no one see that, literally, besides that, every aspect of the game is based in things that Zelda 1 tried or did
Great videos but i dont think you're doing yourself a favor with all the swearing... If they blow up sooner or later someone will end up reporting and your views are gone.
Unless your lackattack play it with a sword nice
I agree. In game tutorial tekst are bad and no fun. Just show how it is done.
I’m personally offended to see Zelda 2 and Skyward Sword being put next to each other. Zelda 2 is miles and away better, it’s just not a typical Zelda game. Skyward Sword on the other hand is definitely a bad Zelda game.
A good analysis of the game and I'll check out if you've made more of these. Just one thing I don't like here. I don't know why you felt the need to shit on some other, unrelated games like Xenoblade 2 and Fire Emblem. Are they waifu bait? I can't deny that cute girls are part of the appeal for sure but they have a lot more to offer than this, like an intruiging story, interesting characters and setting. I just think you can point out how great Zelda 1 and all the others are without making fun of and playing down other games, there is just no need and feels insecure. Other than that I thought it was a good effort.
Still don't get the Skyward Sword hate. I loved this game, only Majora's Mask beat it out till Breath of the Wild (and later Tears of the Kingdom) came out. The directional combat was amazing and I took me a while to even want to play Breath of the Wild since I missed it so much and found the smash attack button combat boring at first.
Nearly 40 years? Nintendo was making pong consoles back in the 70's. That's more like 50 years that they've been making video games, and they've been making games in general for much longer than that. Not sure if that was an honest slip up or a failure to do research. Nintendo's been around for a long time.
An inaccurate oversimplification of videogame development before Zelda made me switch this video off. No mention of computer games, adventures or RPGs whatsoever. Zelda was not created in a vacuum. Jeremy Parish’s NES Works video on this game is worth a watch.
Why would I talk about the shitty computer RPGs from the 80’s in a video about Zelda? Especially when my focus was on the history of console gaming exclusively? The fact of the matter is that those old CRPGs were quite awful, and never managed to create the sense of continuity and adventure that Zelda did. That’s why I neglected to mention them - if I spent the whole video going over the history of gaming, it’d be dozens of hours in length.
Besides, by your same logic, I could accuse you of failing to mention the table-top RPGs that inspired CRPGs, like Dungeons and Dragons. Does that make what you said inaccurate as well? Of course not. We have to start our histories somewhere, because if we really wanted to start at the beginning of things, we’d need to go all the way back to the dawn of man itself, because all works of art are derivative of prior works of art. It doesn’t make my video inaccurate to not mention literally every single piece of art that inspired it.
If the 80s computer RPGs were so shitty and irrelevant why was the console called the Family Computer System? You'd think Nintendo would want to distance themselves from awful garbage like that instead of catering to losers like Hideo Kojima and Hideki Kamiya who played stupid computer games because that's what was popular in Japan in the early 80s and influenced what came later. Maybe those people would have become relevant in the gaming industry if they imported Adventure on Atari 2600 from America instead like Miyamoto obviously did.
Just to be a shmuck, lack attack didn't beat the game without a sword. He beat most of the game without the sword then cut ganon up like fart through a fat womans intestine at a BBQ bean eat off and the only one who can prove it is duke and he's dead from sleeping in her bathtub....oh yeah in record time too
Been playing Zelda since I was 4 or 5 yo. Born in 1984. We were smarter back then, lol.
Aside from the obvious troll, we had to spend time mapping screens on paper, and remember where we went and didn't go. It was a real adventure for the time.
Good video. Though I want to burn my ears when you say manhandla.. Not because it's a weird name. But you pronounce it very very strange
Level 7 is a reprieve. Give it a break
"Who designs this shit?" The original Zelda game is incredibly simple. It's a bit harder to get across more complex mechanics with something like, "Kill guys get key". I get the argument, but I find it to be invalid in the context you presented.
So funny thing, it’s been so long since I made this video that I forgot when I said that line, so I thought “oh, he’s talking about Persona 5’s tutorial; ok, there’s some nuance there.” Then I went back and saw that I was showing Final Fantasy 8 when I said that and… ha ha, yeah, that’s gonna be a hard no for me. That game bombards the player with an hours worth of tutorial information all at the very beginning of the game, and then DOES NOT STOP throughout the entire game. It was genuinely one of the worst RPGs I ever played, and it’s combat was really simple and dumb anyway; you just spam summons until you win, it takes forever and isn’t fun. Compare that to Final Fantasy 7, a game which is also more complex than Zelda, and you can immediately see the difference. I’ll make a video on that game one day (I actually have a script in the works on it), but it’s WAY better at conveying it’s systems than FF8 ever could be.
As a final note, just because a game is more complex doesn’t mean it’s exempt from having to be designed well. Yes, Zelda is comparatively simple, but when it was first made, it was potentially one of the longest video games ever made; was it exempt then from proper design? Of course not, and neither are RPGs from the 90’s; I’ve played many RPGs in my day and not many are great at naturally conveying how to play them without loads of pop ups, but they do exist and they’re all WAY better than FF8. So in conclusion, I do not believe my arguments about this game’s design are “invalid” simply because it’s old and comparatively simple.
Im 2011 skyward sword filled my zelda needs lol, plus it introduced my 5 year old to the franchise who loves it do much he runs around with a paper towel tube master sword and even calls cat link....hed wake up ahead of play game and wake me up when he needed me to read text on screen lol.....hello😊😊😊😊😊😊😅😮😮😢😢😢🎉🎉😂😂🎉😢😢😮😅😅😅😊😊
I think thier logic behind level 7s easy difficulty is finding the mf without a guide was the real challenge intended. 😂
Level 7 may have been trying to prepare you for more complicated, obtuse dungeons more than for tougher combat considering it requires you come in prepared with bait or return after getting bait. It also doesn't have enough keys, so you have to bring spares or find your own way around locked doors and even the only path forward includes many bombable doors. They also don't want to have the difficulty increase steadily either; from a psychological standpoint you want the difficulty to be a series of spikes that trend up. Just having the difficulty steadily rise without falling will wear players out. There are a lot of reasons level 7 may be the way it is.
Also the original Fire Emblem is held back by a lot more... the first thing I thought was "Damn, this music is grating af." The next thing is "wait, it's not giving me any kind of forecast when I try to attack an enemy... ok, can I even look at my stats and their stats?" You actually can, it's just a really slow, unintuitive process that no other game makes you go through. I don't know how the game got sequels; even Gaiden already was more forthcoming with letting you look at stats despite not having a forecast. The first game is stingy with the information you need to make smart decisions, tries to disrupt your thinking with audio torture and punishes those sub-optimal decisions with permadeath. Just kick me in the nuts and be done.
I always beat Level 7 right after Level 5 and then leave Level 6 for after and sometimes even after Level 8.
Found an old floppy disk in my desk about a year ago. My 10 year old looked at me and said "oh neat, daddy, where did you get a 3D print of the save icon?" 😂😂💀💀
these zelda videos are really nice, I admire the dedication, long-form video essay content is a lot of work
but you got good audio, scripts, and editing, so keep it up!
Yeah, Zelda II: The Adventure of Link is not actually a bad game. Not at all. It got a bad wrap because it was so different from the first game, but is by no means an unworthy entry. I think that you meant to put Zelda CD there. In fact, none of the games in your "very bad game" picture are even half bed. Even if they are not the best.
LOL okay, you say all of that with a lot of confidence despite providing absolutely no evidence to back your claims. I don’t know what you consider a bad game, but Zelda 2 has objectively terrible game design littered throughout its runtime, and I made a 40 minute research video that documented exactly why that is. I don’t know how you can be so sure of yourself without having taken the effort to analyze it for yourself, but if you have an argument in favor of your claim, by all means, I’d love to hear it.
@@octorokreviews I guess that I just approach video games from an entirely different perspective than you do. I discovered Zelda II in a round about way later in life (and by later in life I mean my mid/late twenties) because of the show "Adventure Time." The last Zelda game I had played was the first game back in the late 80s when I was a kid. I have since played most of the other Zelda games. So, Adventure Time comes along and it's a hit in my house, my whole family loved it including my cousins. So when the first Adventure Time game came out on both the DS and 3DS I picked up a copy. It was a simple game but I loved the wit and charm. I even enjoyed that it combined an overworld with side scrolling game play. It was clearly an homage to classic NES games. So I looked it up online to discover that the game designers said that they intended it to be a modernized Zelda II clone in the spirit of the classic NES era when game clones were common as part of the meta humor of the Adventure Time game. So I found a copy of Zelda II and played it. When I did I found the simple wit and humor equally charming. Admittedly if you don't remember the 80s some of it might be lost on the player. It's the same reason I love the original Resident Evil and Silent Hill games so much, yes even the Skyward Sword and the Renegade Kid game Moon (later renamed Moon Chronicles for its 3DS re-release). Those games had so much wit and humor built right into the game design. I play games for two reasons really exploration/adventure (any Silent Hill, any Metroid, Dead Space, Halo to some degree, Minecraft, Dwarf Fortress), and humor/charm (most Zelda games, a surprising number of sports games, Patapon, Professor Layton, Phoenix Wright, most Final Fantasy games). You get the point.
Just discovered your videos. Absolutely great stuff. Keep it up!
I SO wanted to leave you a dislike due to your blasphemy against Majora’s Mask in multiple sections of this video as well as the blink and you miss it potshot at Xenogears… BUUUT… since this IS a video about Zelda 1 and you did a fantastic job covering that which in the end was the entire point of this video I am reserving my contempt and giving you a thumbs up / like for this video and reserving my ire for three years from now when you finally complete your Majora’s Mask video, lol.
Also, I did really like your Ocarina of Time video and glad you reduced the amount of blink and you miss it on screen text boxes compared to this one. As someone with OCD who has to pause and rewind a video every time that stuff comes onscreen otherwise I will not consider myself to have watched the complete video, that s**t is absolute hell for me. It’s what is making watching Orion C’s ‘Breath of the Wild - An Analysis’ series absolute hell for me as, although I tend to really like and agree with almost everything he has to say about that game, the fact he has to add some sort of parenthetical text on screen text every 10 seconds makes videos that should only last one hour take three for me with all the pausing, rewinding, restarting and pausing (heaven forbid I hit pause too slowly and the text is off the screen and I’m forced to rewind a second time). I had to do this a few times this video but hardly at all in your Ocarina of Time video and nothing close to Orion C’s videos so thank goodness for that. Not that I’m at all bashing Orion C’s videos. If you like the first few hours of Breath of the Wild but want to watch a video that explains really well why the subsequent hundreds of hours did not hit nearly as well, his videos do a fantastic job breaking down every detail as to why the game did a great job in certain respects but failed so badly in others. Just be prepared to sit down for a while as some of the videos in part 3 of his series are VERY long.
You can thank one of my commenters for that haha. Someone expressed the same thoughts as you did about the text boxes as I was editing the Ocarina of Time review, so I decided to make a rule to leave every text box on screen for no less than one full second. I'm going to keep to that rule from now on, so that anyone who wants to read my thoughts doesn't have to work for it lol
Honestly, I think the original had the best balance between linearity and openness. It’s not my favorite, mostly because the gameplay isn’t as good as a lot of the others. But the adventure aspect is balanced well
Link to Past and Ocarina of Time are awesome but the original was the first one I played and it will always be my deep down favorite Zelda game. I know every inch of that game and I adore it.
now that I had finished watching this video I think ill see it again
I really miss this game, even if I can play it whenever I want. I think part of the reason why it gets so little official love is because what the game series now is, this one sort of isn't. Numerous elements of Zelda are absent; no Master Sword, little to no instruction, many other iconic apparatus absent. Ganon was long ago abandoned for his overused, slightly less Saturday morning cartoon villain human form, Gdorf. To many younger players, and to Nintendo, it doesn't feel like Zelda; it would be worse than telling a big Street Fighter series fan to go back to SF 1, after they learned to love it with 2, 4, or really if an Alpha game was their first dip. It would be nice, but with no towns, so few NPCs, and the like, I don't think they could remake it on Switch in a good way it deserves. The second bit is price. They'd want to charge full price, and there's no way they could.
So glad I found you before you blew up, your videos are great and you’ll have thousands of subs in no time, keep up the amazing work!
You did not like phantom hourglass? So you chose death by ds fanboys
Hey, I really liked Spirit Tracks if it's any consolation! It felt like the devs understood all the mistakes they made in PH and the limitations of the DS, and made a Zelda game for the system, rather than fighting against it. Also, Spirit Tracks Zelda is my favorite iteration of the character in the entire series.
@@octorokreviews interesting to me is that I hated spirit tracks and loved phantom Hourglass.
@@alexbedel6320 That is odd. I've seen the same sentiment amongst people who played it back when it first came out (I did not). Perhaps this is because PH reuses a lot of the Wind Waker's music and themes, whereas ST tried something different with the locomotives? That likely didn't jive with fans of the Wind Waker, who were likely the same kids that owned DS's anyway. I could see that.
@@octorokreviews maybe your right about that. I never got the opportunity to make an emotional bond with wind waker. So the negative connotation I could have associated with being so similar never happened. However phantom Hourglass was oodles of fun for me. I wasn't really a kid when I played it either. However I found the exploration and discovery to be fun and engaging. I also liked the ocean temple because it was fun seeing how new items and tactics and progress changed how you tackle the situation. I also like dungeon delving as a concept and getting further deeper was exceptional fun for me personally. The controls were nice as I remember, and I also enjoyed upgrading my ship.
It wasn't the most challenging game to be fair, but hey it was fun!
In my own ranking I have to say I enjoyed it alot in similar ways to ocarina of time. Exploration is key. It was a different kind of exploration.
Breath of the wild isn't as fun for me. Yes there is a lot of exploration, but most of the game is terrain in shapes, or ruins, and the difficulty is higher. (I'm saying I suck lol.)
I look forward to the rest of your reviews, because they greatly entertain me! Thanks for being awesome.
Cool
Keep this series going!
Great video! I saw your massive four-hour OoT review first and wanted to check the rest of these out, as you make these very entertaining and compelling.
PS: I loved the recurring Manhandla bit.
I like your analysis- one issue though. I disagree with your take on level 7. Level 7 requires the player to hunt for secret ways to find a basement shortcut, making the player basically push every single block there until they find the right one. This teaches the player a skill they will need in level 8 and, OMFG, level 9. I think that was the lesson (and point) of level 7.
I suppose it does introduce that, but that doesn't mean the rest of the dungeon couldn't have been more challenging as well. That's a good take away though - it is important to understand the disjointed nature of Level 9 before entering it, and levels 7 and 8 introduce that concept.
Hello Oktorok! :) I am from Switzerland and I made a few custom quests based on The Legend of Zelda (NES) on a tool called Zelda Classic (on the PC), which were intended to be like the Japanese version of Mario 2 (Lost Levels), so basically a Zelda 1 for "super players" or Zelda Lost Levels, coming with enhanced graphics and new enemies, new items, some items requiring magic to function, a new soundtrack, a dark overworld, and much more. Would you be open to playtest this and review it on your channel? I'd luv that. ^^ ~ Matt
I've met many fans who thought SS was a brand new Zelda switch game.....all because they got introduced to it through BOTW..... technically it's not rebuying a old Zelda title to some it's a unplayed entry they never knew of cuz they migrated off of Sony and came to be fan people. Plus I noticed recently that most not a lot of Zelda lovers are trans, I just don't get today's kids. I'm a girl, but I'm a boy to play Zelda.....im a boy but I love persona so I'm a girl .....where do thesr kids get all this sex change money
I was a dumb 4yo who couldn't think of a name by myself, so I just named the game file Zelda. And yes, I thought that was Link's name. And I was excited when it gave my Link sprite a sword.
Of course, it was so hard I gave up. I returned to the game and gave the new file my name, and was so confused to why it was different. I was glad it was easier, though.
Hey wait, I'm an older Zelda fan (my first game) and I loved skyward sword ate first but now I just like it. I don't hate it so check your facts octo....nah I can't stay mad at ya, your octorok makes me laugh. Now BOTW and TOTK are by far my newest faves based on the new innovations. However my favorite Zelda game is part 1....why because you can relive a part of the past and not have to relive the past while you do. Meaning you needed atleast a summer vacation or a half a school year to beat part one, now I can do it in 45 minutes tops. Throw in save states and I can do it in 25....now where's my skyward sword hatred video octo
Fun video idea, I enjoyed the amount of work you put into this. With that being said, some of the swearing/cursing you were doing came off as gratuitous and kind of cringe at times.
Also, yes, it's very enjoyable when games guide you rather than hold your hand, but some newbies or busy people find the "telling" much more convenient than "showing". Just because one kind of game design is engaging, doesn't mean another isn't. Skyward Sword is a good game, your opinion is valid but it is not a bad game.
Good job on the video, very cohesive.
Hey, thanks for the feedback! I'll certainly take that comment on the cursing into account, though I do want to preface that, while the rants were hyperbolic, they still were filled with my genuine opinions; I hate the opening to Persona 5, and I was dumbfounded by the repeat boss at the end of Level 7.
As for the second part, I think it's absolutely true that games can have different ways of teaching players and still be valid and fun experiences; for example, I love Ocarina of Time and Twilight Princess, and both of those games have large swaths of tutorials and expository dialogue. Still, I think there's a difference between a game telling you how to play it, like OoT and TP, and a game that never lets go of the handlebars, like Skyward Sword. Besides that, there are large swaths of other issues I have with that game, like the inconsistent motion controls, the simplistic dungeon design, and the story, but that's going to be its own video some day.
Thanks so much for your comment; you don't know how much it means to me to see something I made inspire discussion, which is what I want more than anything else out of this experience. And yes, I'll tone back the rants too; they probably were a bit much, in retrospect.
@@octorokreviews It's clear you put a ton of effort into your videos and your narration is great. Your opinions are valid and this is your channel so you can say whatever you want. What I said was just my feelings on the video and I figured I could at least give your review an interaction to help with the TH-cam algorithm.
Above everything else, I appreciate the effort that you've gone through with this video, and clearly the effort you go through with your replies. You made some social media just because of a comment? I appreciate that. I look forward to your future videos
@@--Avi-- Thank you, and believe me I was very happy to see your comment and to be able to interact with someone who presented their opinion in a level-headed and concise way like you did. And more than anything, these videos are being presented to an audience; they can't just be made for my own self-gratification, so while I'll always stay true to my opinions on games, I want to fine tune my content to the best of my abilities, and the only way I can ever do that is through honest and detailed comments like yours.
@@octorokreviews I appreciate that a lot. Glad to be one of your early subscribers and I look forward to your future videos!
skyward sword gets too much hate. the motion controls should have been optional. same issue with starfox zero.
otherwise its a solid game. the game itself was enjoyable and seeing the origin of the master sword. ganon/demise
and zelda and all was a fun journey ...its pretty cool and epic lore wise. for any real zelda fan it should be given a play.
also og nes zelda was used as a protoype for what would become BOTW. lol interesting.
anyhow. i think newer gen fans cant really handle the older games. on graphic style and on difficulty.
especially the nes-snes-gb zeldas. but those are some of the best of the entire franchise.
LTTP being my fav of all time.
I liked skyward sword but I hated the 3 play. Never had a control issue, FI was a douche though....batteries depleted my ass
Cant get enough of the sweet waifu.......to the tune of cookie crisp cereal
Why does persona5 give u a long introduction to its gameplay?
Hum... Well, despite being born in late '81 and desperately (peer pressure and excitement) wanting to play Zelda 1 when I got my NES, well... We had no money to speak of for games so I got bargain bin games mostly both for the NES and SNES. So still being AWARE of the Zelda francize up to that point my real true encounter with a Zelda game was OoT on my N64, both of which I spent my own hard earned money on.
Linear games have never bothered me very much, I like focus on story and characters first. Open world games usually get in the way of that. That is why BotW is only in third place on my personal list below Twilight Princess and OoT. (If anyone is curious what is in fourth, that would be Skyward Sword, just sayin' ;-) )
I think what I am TRYING to say here it that everyone have their own experience with Zelda et al, and I am perfectly happy to let them have their own meanings about them all. Just because they differ from my own does not make them WRONG in any way, it is all subjective. I mean my bottom tier on my list are quite beloved by others, and to be fair my list is all on the positive side but any game have to be by the nature of list be at the bottom. Only, some people feel by that that "you hate this game"! I don't. I just feel like the games further up on that list relates to me more. That does not mean they are better or worse, it is only my opinion.
So what if I find Wind Waker a bit tedious or have some issues with the time mechanics of Majora's Mask. They are great games but I have... issues with them, especially the latter.
And last, though I never GOT those first Zelda games in my youth I HAVE later played every single one, not all to completion but still. And I have seem LPs on most of them. Even the two VERY bad ones that are NOT canon in any way shape of form. True Zelda fans know what I mean, I do not want to sully the uniniciated, they might get the wrong idea eh? :-P
great video!!!!!!
Why u pick on lack for
Surprised that you said that it's necessary to get the white sword to kill Pols Voice in dungeon 5 but don't mention that it's much easier to use arrows to kill Pols Voice in 1 shot. And according to your video the player may have already picked up the bow to shoot arrows way back in dungeon 1.
Good video otherwise.
Imma be real with you, chief - I never thought to use the bow against them lol. You can seriously kill the Pols Voice with one arrow? It's insane just how many new things I learn about this game even after all these years, and after making an hour long review of it. Well, thank you so much for telling me that, and for the compliment on the video!
@@octorokreviews I appreciate your honesty, also in your video. Sound genuine.
Yeah, arrows actually kill multiple Pols Voices if you line your shot up well:
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The explanation is that Pols Voice in the Japanese version are killed instantly using the mic on controller 2 on the Famicom, so because the NES doesn't have a mic, the NES Zelda instead makes Pols Voice weak against arrows to compensate.
@@octorokreviews Yeah it's wild how many secrets and how much game play depth there is to enjoy in this game that's 36 years old. I just beat for the first time a few days ago. The exploration and combat depth had me hooked and it was a struggle to not play all day and blow off work.
@@dtape That's crazy. The funny thing is that I did a lot of research going into this review, especially about the original Famicom title, so I knew about the microphone killing the Pols Voice. But I never knew that the localization team added in a weakness to arrows to compensate for the loss of that mechanic overseas. I feel like I could play these games 100 times and still never figure out everything about them. Thank you so much for sharing that.
When I 100% completed Zelda II: The Adventure of Link, I was mentally exhausted. But when I saw this after. It felt like I wasted a portion of my life on a stupid rpg ripoff
Wind Waker and Phantom Hourglass are 2 of my favorites, so I really don't understand the hate on PH.
What influence exactly has this game had on Breath of the Wild? I'm not sure I see it.
The freedom the player has in doing each dungeon in any order he so pleases. The game structure in that sense is remarkably similar, and the devs are quoted as saying as much. They even made an early 8-but concept demo of the game that looked remarkably similar to the original Legend of Zelda.
@@octorokreviews I know they made an 8 bit concept demo but that's pretty flimsy. There are only four dungeons in Breath of the Wild, so doing them in any order doesn't amount to much. As for how the game structure is similar... how? I mean, you move around a world but that's about it.
Not knocking BotW or Zelda1 here, but I just don't see how Zelda1 is more of an influence than any of the 3d Zelda games. It has more of Ocarina of Time's DNA than Zelda 1.