Revisiting the Myths of Nehru’s India | Apoorvanand in Conversation with Taylor C. Sherman
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Pt. Nehru ? My most favourite leader . India is proud of him , a man with modern thinking in dark period .
A great leader never has a big ego or illusions of grandeur. Like Gandhi, Nehru was an intellectual. He was humane but also prone to errors. Yet he looms large over the landscape even today. Like Washington or Lincoln in America.
Nehru was a visionary with an honesty way ahead of his times. The lady may not have all the tools, training and resources to contextualise and evaluate Nehruvian ideas and philosophy sitting inside her opinionated mind, today.
@Prashant Tawade hey lol. the half baked English at your disposal is the gift of Nehru's vision. you dada nodi is a slave of neocolonial capital. stop learning from hindutva preaching whatsapp. nehru was not your servant.
@Prashant Tawade Are you reading your history on WhatsApp? Looks like that. Grow up.
Prashant Tawde is the reason why Maharashtra politics is now being governed by Gaddars underr the supervision of Gujarat. Likes of Tawde will nowhere to be seen in Maharashtra in coming years, once Gujaratification of Maharashtra is complete
Great analysis Taylor! Amply discussed to make it very appealing. The Indian socialism acknowledged and explained, importantly bringing it on stage. I who grew up in India and met had privilege to meet Nehru when an architectural student. The way forward to a sustainable world is socialism, Nehru’s Socialism, introduced by Nehru. I carry it with me as I live in the capitalistic world. Sadly hyper capitalism in India is ubiquitous.
LSE has such amazing thinkers and educators. Speaking from my own personal experience, I am a proud alum.
Enjoyed this conversation. Thank you Dr. Apoorvanand.
Ordering the book.
Nehru was a visionary with an honesty way ahead of his times. The lady may not have all the tools, training and resources to contextualise and evaluate Nehruvian ideas and philosophy sitting inside her opinionated mind, today.
A very apt and informative interaction between two thinking minds on a highly insightful visionary , an endearing mass leader, a champion of democracy and an ardent nationalist...fine listening. Thanks to WIRE...
Nehru had faults, but above all things he was a true democrat and intellectually honest. He also had a vision for India based on scientific temperament and industry (yes, we know in the process rural India was slightly neglected, but Nehru was in a hurry to industrialize India and make it free from dependence on the west for technology and manufacturing), and the best thing was that he was an agnostic who abhorred religious dogma. He also abhorred displays of craven servility, so much so that he would get angry when people tried to touch his feet! Can you imagine other Indian politicians, especially the Modi-cult worshipping BJPee minions, showing such humility? His own son-in-law Feroze Gandhi (Indira's husband) would openly and severely criticize him in Parliament, and Nehru was big enough to allow that to happen. In today's India he would have been muzzled just like the BJPee rebels have been, or even charged with "sedition"!!. Yes, the people following Nehru deified him and built him up into a godlike figure and tried to exploit that popularity for their own needs, but we can hardly blame Nehru for that! Why do we also forget that Sardar Patel had actually banned the RSS in the aftermath of Gandhi's assassination, but it was Nehru who prevailed upon Patel to lift the ban shortly thereafter. Now, decades later, an ungrateful BJPee abuses Nehru and appropriates Patel for itself! The BJPee abuses Nehru and his policies, but Non-Alignment was the very policy the BJPee has chosen to use to justify its lack of a spine in the Russia-Ukraine dispute!! India has gone from the sublime to the ridiculous.
well written - objective. thank you. worth the reading.
What a good view. 👌
Well said! BJP has anything but non-alignment policy. They are opportunistic. They align with anybody and everybody who is a benefactor of their businessmen. Its packaged and sold as nationalism.
Precious noteworthy interaction yes despite having just a sprouting secular democracy India is fortunate enough to having Nehru as its first PM. Comparatively look what the current one did what it took 70 yrs to develop. In 8yrs this one has sold out/handed down numerous entities to a absolutely inexperienced comrade in returned of political donations given by this individual which resulted in his coronation! and eventually ruined the promising flourishing progressive democracy in a regressive banana republic.
I always admire you Apporvanandji ...superb Series...I am enjoying it now...
The author missed the most important change the Nehruvian socialism was responsible for ! The abolishing of the centuries old Zamidari system which lifted the yoke of subjugation off the millions of farmers who constituted almost 80% of our population.
Yes.
The land reforms.
In fact the gist of freedom struggle lied in the redemption of millions of farmers and laborers.
*People who've not studied Nehru & Gandhi talk ill of these two heroes...and they talk highly of Ambedkar & Bhagat Singh, they consider them their icons but they've not even studied Ambedkar & Bhagat Singh ji cuz if they did then they would know that there were some differences among them but they never used religion or cast as their weapon for political benefits.*
*...If Ambedkar & Bhagat Singh ji were alive today they would've revolted against such wrongdoings.*
Singh always recognised the value of Nehru's leadership. The common bhakt does not know that. Nehru was a visionary with an honesty way ahead of his times. The lady may not have all the tools, training and resources to contextualise and evaluate Nehruvian ideas and philosophy sitting inside her opinionated mind, today.
Gobbars don't know nothing about them.
I am from tamilnadu and my only hero till my death is Shri jawaharlal nehru
Mine too
He had a very tough situation in managing a newly independent India.. but he did his best and it was effective to a large extent for a new country like India..
initiating Focus on industrialization (setting up BHEL, DVC, BEL, ONGC, etc) Education & research (DRDO, AIIMS, IIT, IIM, etc) ... He didn't focus on building Mosque or Temple or church
Mam is Superb ❣️
Love to listen to her for hours
Nehru Nehru Nehru.... This man has cast an influence on india which is unchallenged in all of it's 5000 yrs history.
He rose to become Indias most popular leader alongside Gandhi in late 1920s-early 30s. He was primary intellectual source of the indias freedom struggle alongside Gandhi.
He then transitioned from a a freedom fighter to the maker of modern India and lead India for 18 yrs consecutively. His popularity and global stature has never been touched by any subsequent indian leader since.
Had it been over there it would have been a great Ending but wait... Nehrus direct descendants went onto getting elected and Rule and shape India for period of 60yrs.
So either u can be Nehru lover or Nehru basher, but our political understanding revolves around him even after 75 yrs of independence.
@Sherry Graham lol Nehru won 5 national elections with super majority with 45% vote share.
Modi has won 2 that too with 31% and 37%. Modi is not so popular like Nehru in South India , Kashmir, Punjab , west Bengal, odisha, bihar, jharkhand and northeast. Modi is not even close to Indira.
@Sherry Graham Modi is the most illiterate PM india has, ever had. Comparing him to an intellectual giant and statesman like Nehru is borderline blasphemous.
@Sherry Graham Manmohan Singh's economic policies pulled 300million people out of poverty in a span of 5-10years. This is a studied concept in South Asian studies in most Universities alongside the rise of China. So Modi inherited an economy where people had marked disposable income than before, that was ready for start-up culture, which Modi actually tried to handicap with Demonitization, an economy that is capable of generating a good amount of direct or indirect taxes. It's very easy to do "great things" when you've inherited all of this just sitting around.
The wire always come with the flood of knowledge..I really appreciate your efforts May the wire live long...
A very interesting discussion. It shows how myth making requires heroes and villains, and in the process displaces real people. And this is how Taylor Sherman looks at India during Nehru as a place for interactions, compromises and incremental progress, taking the diverse society along, rather than the towering personality and political will of one man trying to redesign India. Political desire for radical and rapid reforms causing huge socio-economic disruptions were not present, perhaps taking a leaf out of the Soviet and Chinese experiences after their respective revolutions. Also the Indian state in the 1950s lacked the resources and the capacity to centralise the administration. The planning commission during the Nehru years, was created outside the formal structure of the constitution and administrative setup left behind by the Raj. The planning commission therefore didn't provide any recipe for India, rather was the "icing on the cake that was being baked by Indians" at different levels and locations in their own ways and priorities.
I wish the recording of this episode didn't stop so abruptly!?
Enlightening discussion - Indian history is so enriched. Prof., Apoorvanand & Prof., Taylor - thank you, both.🌹
Great minds! Appreciate the exploration done on Nehruvian era to present the facts while there is an effort to demonize that era. My learning also goes the same way. Only a person who doesnt want a cult to be formed after him, only a person who "doesnt want ideas to be turned into ideologies" can remain true secular. Others who want to deliberately leave an impression will always form a cult and the followers of that cult will divide over their understanding of their master's voice and fight each other, thereby radicalising their followers in turn. Followers will remain devoted because they are followers/devotees beyond reasoning, hence stopping a cult from formation behind you is very important, but is something that many popular living figures cant implement. Thats the irony also that only people who are popular are those who got a cult formed - be it the human gods that we know from legends or the living human gods of the day from various religions - are popular because there is somebody to sing their story who has been prepared with a purpose, and those who didn't invest in a cult after them might be forgotten in sometime as there is no encomium behind them.
Nehru was a visionary with an honesty way ahead of his times. The lady may not have all the tools, training and resources to contextualise and evaluate Nehruvian ideas and philosophy sitting inside her opinionated mind, today.
Most Noteworthy, jawaharlal Nehru was thefirst Prime Minister of india. Jawaharlal Nehru was a man of peace and he was a man of great vision. With all the pressures J. Nehru led the country in scientific and Modern efforts and great achievement. !!! We live in a wonderful world that is full of beauty, charm and adventure. There is no end to the adventures we can have if only we seek them with our eyes open. There is nothing more horrifying than stupidity in action.
It sounds rich comming from someone who's faith claims there is only one god and only muhmod is his last prophet.
@@MichToJoshya read manusamiti before you comment on others religion.did he mention anything about religion??COW PEE
@@ajitpalsinghatwal7931 No... I will not read ManuSmruti. Nothing in my religion actually forces me to follow each word in ManuSmriti. He cannot say the same at all !
Do you want Khalistan Atwal ?
@@MichToJoshya I did not comment on you in particular. What you do is ur business but many many Hindus believe in manusamriti.Khalistan? YES IF YOU ARE ASKING FOR HINDURASHTRA,I will never never live in hindu rashtra.
@@ajitpalsinghatwal7931 Literally no one believes in Manusmruti since invent of Upanishads. Only a Khalistani bleeds for muslims. Its as they say in sanskrit "Saman-vyasaneshu-saukhyam" [ beads of same caliber stick together ].
A suggestion to you, don't be that bead.
And read history.
A new vision to India's growing up with much debated ideas to keep our constitution mor dynamic..Thanks to prof Apurba nanda and Mam Taylor C Sherman..
now a days we are so far from such type of intellectuals, thanks wire
More of this, please. Very informative.
Nehru divided into and created Pakistan.
Absolutely a true commentary on the Nehru Era.
critisization of nehru is fasion now, but fect that nehru had dine much better in the worst condion of the country as leader. a great leader.
Bahut achha discussion
Nehru ko aaj bhi world mai study chal rahi hai.. Is se hi zahir hota hai what a great personality.. Legend.. Visionary.. Man.. Human.. Leader he was.. Grave hai aaj bhi mulk ko..
*Amrit Kal's new name of the PM Mr.Gautam Das Modi*
Here what is worthy to note is how the author, Miss Taylor, has been able to present analytically Nehru's approach to shape India's post_independent era.
What a thoughtful discussion... We need more of such nuanced analysis and interpretation of the past. Kudos to the speakers. Nehru understood and appreciated the complexity of the times. Wish the current powers that be could learn from this.
Excellent thanks to wire
Very interesting and unique point of view.
Wow, very elegant voice ! 👌👌👌👌👌
Pt. Nehru Govt. never asked Hindus to kill/lynch muslims , christians and sikhs . Today Govt. encourages Hindus lynch all those people who are not Hindus .All Indian who are not Hindu , respect and love Pt. Nehru . Today , they have realized the worth of thinking of Pt. Nehru .
Wow - very nuanced understanding of things!
will surely read her book from my library, that's the advantage an open free society has for me.
Good analysis
Could the introductory remarks be sborter....?
Regards!
Great work keep going
He did not 'patronise' .....lol , was responsible for the fall of a democratically elected govt in Kerala in 67 .
There should be English subtitle for non hindi listeners. It looks like toeing the line of Hindi hegemony.
everybody should compare with all this with current PM's attitude and Pt. Neharu's attitude, who always donnot agree with Neharu's role for India.
Disowning Nehru's legacy and vision will be detrimental for the preservation of the federal structure India.
India will throw away the feudalistic gujarat-model of crony capitalism that is only helping neo-colonial capital.
Great👏👏👏
When it comes to women Nehru family has a liking only for western ones.
Hope, wish and pray, Nehru's idea's about charting Indian development, upliftment and welfare of largely a deprived and poor segment of newly freed country way back in 1947 onwards, was a big challenge for him and he did his best by forming socialist, republic, secular and federal character of India in the best interests of country. There may be failures for him due to paucity of resources available during his regime which may not be a handicap for other's to that extant in later year's owing to his visionary leadership. With such lectures, current generation can be provided with much desired but lacking information about Nehru and challenges faced by him.
How India can be somebody's idea????
when it was choosen to remain democratic with equal voting rights
Why it abruptly ended?
Good interactive
Prof. Taylor❤
Mr Jawaharlal Nehru, was they intellectually motivated Visionary MAN Leaders,, for they FUTURE GENERATIONS.. and to take INDIA to GLOBAL.. Though When BRITISHERS left US with Nothing. NEHRU & his Then Leaders plans was on TARGET..to take INDIA on HIGH.. not like RSS GODDSE GANG BULBUL SAVARKAR, was POPPETS of British..** AS HIS.**
I don't agree with america lady
Nehru established so much.
I will be great full to Nehru till my end.
Taylor Sherman : Why there is a myth in Nehru's India
Anchor : **Picking his one leg to the another in front of the Narrator**
It shows Why there is a myth that India's people are educated
Ye hai ecosystem!
Sarkar kisi bhi ho, system in hatyare naxali yo ka hai
Blunders of Nehru: 😐
1. Rejected a permanent seat at the UN
2. Rejected Nepal’s offer to join Bharat
3. Rejected Balochistan’s offer to join Bharat
4. Created the Kashmir issue
5. Presided over the disastrous Sino-Bharat war
6. Refusal To Enter Nuclear Deal
7. Nehru rejected a US offer of helping Bharat with the development of a nuclear device in 1964 perhaps because he was a proponent of
non-violence.
8. Led the ill-conceived Non-Aligned Movement
9. Indifference towards Goa
10. Favoured Socialism instead of free-market Capitalism.
11. Ignored Corruption
12. Clung to Power for too long
13. Curbed journalistic freedom and freedom of expression
14. Failure to encourage, promote and implement universal primary education
15. Toppled democratically elected Kerala government in 1957
16. Gifted Pakistan
17. Didn't allow Sardar Patel to be the PM
18. Gifting Manipur's Kabo valley to Burma
19. Gifting the strategically located Coco Islands to Burma
20. Refusing the Sultan of Oman's gift of Gwadar port
21. Giving up on Tibet, placing India's water security and northern border at China's mercy
22. Signing the most unequal treaty in history
in 1960, PM Nehru, for the sake of "friendship" and "goodwill" signed one of the most unequal, lopsided treaties ever - the Indus Waters Treaty, giving Pakistan ownership of over three-fourths of the water the flows through the Indus System of Rivers located in Bharat. Pakistan reciprocated Nehru's gesture of goodwill by invading Bharat just five years later.
23. Hostility towards Sardar Patel's restoration of the Somnath Temple
24. Obstructing Sardar Patel's plan to liberate Hyderabad from the murderous Nizam
25. Nehru had a total impractical approach to integrating Kashmir with rest of Bharat. He didn't allow Sardar Patel to deal with Kashmir issue. Patel was quite successful in integrating other troubled regions such as Hyderabad Nizam's province with Bharat.
26. During the Indo-Pak war of 1948 when Bharat was gaining back the Kashmir captured by the invaders, he prematurely went to the UN Security Council. This was a great strategic mistake. Bharat now wants to distance itself from 3rd party intervention in the dispute and the UN resolutions on this, but it is Nehru who did it in the first place.
27. Moreover, We were winning the war against CHlN but Nehru didn't allow Bhartiya Air Force to participate and we lost Aksai Chin area
28. No Initiative on Sri Lankan Tamil Problem
29. Giving Away 55 Crores to Pakistan
30. Usurping Congress Presidentship in 1929
31. Nehru’s Undemocratic Elevation as the First PM
32. Unplanned & Grossly Mismanaged Partition
33. Article-370 thanks to Nehru
34. Article 35A for J&K, Again thanks to Nehru
35. Ignoring Illegal
Pr0seIytization
36. Neglect of Agriculture
37. Throttled Industrialisation
38. Messy Reorganisation of States
39. Messing Up the Language Issue, Promoting Urdu & Persian-Arabic Script, Neglect of Sanskrit
40. Setting Jinnah on Path to Pakistan
41. Nehru-Liaquat Pact 1950
42. Erroneous Nehru-Era Map
43. Rebuffing Israel, the Friend-in-Need
44. Scoring Self-Goal-Ministry Resignations, 1939
45. Assam’s Security Compromised
46. Aborted ‘Cabinet Mission Plan’ for United Bharat
47. NWFP Blunder 1946
48. Distorted, Self-Serving Secularism & Minorityism
49. Not Seeking Reparations from the British
Nehru and the Distortion of Bhartiya History & Heritage
50. Paying Respects to Babar
51. Nehru & Netaji's Stolen War Chest
52. Gross Treatment of INA
53. Gross Treatment of Netąji Bose
54. Gross Treatment of Bhagat Singh & Azad
55. Gross Treatment of Veer Savarkar
56. Gross Treatment of Sardar Patel
57. Gross Treatment of Sardar Patel's Daughter Maniben
58. Gross Treatment of Ambedkar
59. Gross Treatment of Dr Shyama Prasad Mukherjee
60. Gross Treatment of Dr Rajendra Prasad
61. Gross Treatment of PD Tandon
62. Gross Treatment of Bordoloi
63. Gross Treatment of General Thimayya
64. Gross Treatment of Public
65. Special Treatment for Edwina Mountbatten
Nehru was too idealistic and thought his idea of India will inspire the world...the 1962 war shattered these myths and the Nehruvian view of the world.
If The Wire is open for dialogues, why doesn't it ever invite Fayaz Ahmad Fyzie to talk about Pasmanda Muslims. Arfa literally runs away from debates with him.
I find it rude that Hindi intellectuals go about yapping in erudite Hindi which ignores potential viewers who are not conversant but also to the guest by interjecting so much with Hindi. I had to keep skipping to Taylor's parts. I really wish to go back to Nehru's India.
Nehru lost a lot of territories to China and Pakistan which is unacceptable to me rather than few reforms. That's where nehru failed and lost plot.
Nehru ko kabhi bhi bhulaya nhi ja skega
So few views. Unfortunate.
A power hungry ,power greedy person who became first pm of independent India on dead bodies of 2 million hindus
Patel banned rss nehru lifted ban
Poor interviewing process. Could have been much more interesting
Boring introduction
Sare urban naxal ka adda hai yaha... National as well international
tum jaise atankwadiyon ki wajah se Angrezon ne 300 saal tak India pe raaj kiya tha. Tumhe bas Hindi Muslim karke peeche se aam naagrik ka paisa lootna aata hai. Sabse Bade Desh Drohi ho tum.
@@raypalmer5125 are tum to deshbhakt ho na... Tum jaise kayi baapo k bacho ka hi natija h jo aaj afghanistan Pakistan Bangladesh kashmir me dikh rha hai... Jao kabhi tumko b pyar milega... Aage se b or piche se b
At least people here are not slaves of Adani
Very boring introduction
I personally hold Ghandi and Nehru for partition of India.
Nehru responsible for Adani Nirav and Mehul Choksi going astray..nehru ney inn logo ko bigaada
Yeah...jinnah and savarkar had no role in it..
Please get your history right, Savarkar and Jinnah openly called for division. Please don't get your history from WhatsApp posts.
I don't know hindi better to speak in English
Nehruvian civilisation made , created by nehru.
Nirad Chuadhary the great intellectual felt that Nehru was always a dictator only he did not know it himself. ( words mine from memory ). Nehru has been singularly negatively served by his deifying , obsequious devotees ( most of us fell into that trap) who raised him into an unassailable God beyond criticism. This has ensured that there can never be an objective assessment of his life and achievements. This fascistic obliteration of any other narrative about him or the history of India has been disastrous. That this project was specifically carried out by political darbaris and cronies with nothing more than a political motive has ensured that a large mass of Indians are disgusted with this hijack of Indian narrative by one man and later his family and cronies. This is an aspect none of these intellectuals will.admit.
Ooooooo
Modi Bhakts have no right to talk about criticising Politcal Leader when they eat everything Modi craps out of his Fascist arse without asking a single question.
Total rubbish. Nehru himself wrote anonymously in newspapers inviting criticism of himself. Do proper research. He was opposed tooth and nail by his critics. He debated with them rather than sending his bullies to beat them up or lick them up.
What a comment, it seems this is formed, just to demerit the Nehru persona when there with criticism. Great efforts. But be truthfull
You are correct that a Nehru myth is no more explanatory than a De Gaulle myth or a Churchill myth, and to raise him to a quasi-divinity serves nobody and certainly not history.
However, don't you feel that many recent critiques of Nehru are not thoughtful revisionism but hatchet jobs, written by people with a pre-determined outlook? If making Nehru a quasi-divinity is unhelpful, making him Satan personified doesn't help either.
Fixed interview! Apporvanand - a fool who has done nothing more than 'Chaploosi ' in his life
Nehru's India? What the hell is this?
Nehru and Congress govt was Muslim govt. In India. That divided India and gave birth communalism.Infact tried to destroyed Indian hindu.
Yes. 60 years of congress rule and there are no more Hindus left. No temples left. Books on Hinduism has all been burnt. How delusional are you?
@@prasad.s510 All Hindu not converted and temple destroyed even in Mughal era. But damage done by Congress is larger than mughal era. Literally under Congress it was worst than mughal. They tried to destroyed Hindu psychologically. It is worst than destroy temple.
@@chandrapatil2443 hahaha delusions, Mr Chandra. You make quite serious allegations without providing a shred of evidence to claim it.
@@prasad.s510
his brain is riddled with whatsapp propaganda !
We don't want Hindu-muslim- Christian devision, only industrial, agriculrist and irrigation and employment, a rule run on the basis of secularism. We had it from Nehru, and ever gratefull. Now you have a Hindu dominated rule from your great Daad no ? Deciding India, mob- lynching, raping, killing in the name mandir, a great admn by Sanskari sanathanis no, enjoy it . Why still crying on Nehru 's peacefull, all- inclusive rule.
He considered himself as Ghandhi wadi …
Bakwas bundh Karo... ab Taylor ko baath karne do
English please…..
what a joke, we have this Hindi fanatic Apoorvanand discussing Nehruvian ideology with the writer who knows only English!!