Wow I had my doubts at 1st but you convinced me. In Hyrule Warriors Age of Calamity we meet the villian Astor who is described as the Prophet of Doom who knows the future and is actively trying to make sure the Calamity does happen. It seemed clear to me that Astor was the fortuneteller who got them to dig up the Divine Beasts so that Ganon could take control and while I still believe Astor was the fortunetteller being refered to in one case he might not be in the other. If the only "fortune teller" was from ancient time then what was King Roam's incentive to suddenly start digging up the Divine Beasts since his journal indicates he wasn't fully convinced until they actually found the Divine Beasts. If the royal family was convinced enough all along that an ancient proficy would come true then they could have slowly dug up and repaired the Divine Beasts over a longer period of time. I feel an actual person would need to have convinced the current King to suddenly take action about something he was on the fence about. Parts of your video seemed obvious and parts seemed rediculous at 1st but you did a good job of convincing me that that Zelda is indeed the source of the original proficey but I still think Astor is the fortune teller that the King was refering to. I can't believe you actually solved an even bigger mystery in this same video though WHY DID THE DIVINE BEASTS DISAPPEAR?! Zelda traveled through time and when she realized she couldn't change the past because it was a closed time loop so Ganon was going to take control of the Gardians and Divine Beasts once no matter what. But she was able to tell Mineru and probably anceint Sheika that they needed to DESIGN the Divine Beasts to dissappear after the events of Breath of the Wild so that Ganondorf couldn't take control of them a 2nd time! GREAT JOB!
@@BioAlpha5 Thank you for taking the time to respond it means a lot to me that there are people like you out there. You should be proud of your work. I myself had a decent theroy on the Shieka tech which was that half was used to build the new towers and the other half was stolen by the Yiga. We do see a Yiga hide out right where the Shrine of Resurection used to be I figured the Yiga stole and then in order to revive Master Kohga quickly they had to overload it destroying it. However, while there is a bit more to go on with my theory even I have to admit that yours works better. Not only would it explain why all the Shieka tech disappeared but it would also explain why the disappearence is not being investigated! Purdah and Robie made the Purah Pad instead ot making something that could track down the Sheika Slate; and Impa is investigating the Geoglyphs not what happened to the Divine Beasts. If the Shiekah Tech was designed to disappear then stories could have been passed down through generations so that they were expecting that to happen. Don't get me wrong I doubt Purah and Impa know everything but there is evidence they know some of it through ancient stories or proficies that are known only to the Shieka leaders. For instance even with everything that is going on Impa SUDDENLY retires as Chief and goes searching for the Geoglyphs and while I originally brushed it off as a game mechanic that we just happen to come accross Impa and the 1st Dragon Tear early in the game with hind sight the game does say Impa was rushing. She was rushing because she KNEW the Geoglyphs were so important even if some of the details were lost to time. Impa even mentions the Forgotten Temple and goes to it early on. Then after Impa and her assistant lead us to a map of where all the Geoglyphs are they mention how useful it would be if there was an item for taking pictures. And what did Purah and Robbie just HAPPEN to be inventing between the events of BOTW and TOTK the Purah Pad! It seems like there was indeed a secret mission given to the Shieka that was passed down for generations. Again I don't think they know everything but I am confident they know something. They might even know that time travel is somehow involved and so they do there best to guide us without potentially messing up the time line.
@@justarandomguyontheinterne681 Well it is and it isn't. AGE OF CALAMITY SPOILER ALERT BELOW At the begining of the game we see the little Gardian travel back in time and try to prevent the event the Calamity (thus preventy BOTW and TOTK from ever happening). However, Astor is actively working to make sure the Calamity does happen and while a few details change things are about to ultimetly play out with the same disastor from 100 years ago. UNTIL the little Gardian borrows Zelda's power to pull Teba, Sidon, Ruigi, and Yunobo through time to help prevent the Champions from dying. These 4 time travelers clearly refer to the events from BOTW and from the "canon" timeline in between the 2 "canon" games. At the end of the game the Calamity is successfully prevented in one timeline/ dimension but the 4 time travelers return home. The fact that the time traveler's and there home still exist at the end of Age of Calamity is proof that the original dimension/ timeline still exists despite the Calamity being prevented which would clearly create a new dimension/ timeline. It is probably similar to the timline split from the end of Ocorina of Time. So you could say that AOC is not canon to the main timeline where BOTW and TOTK take place. But I think it would be more accurate to say that Age of Calamity creates a new timeline in a new dimension but both timelines/ dimensions are canon in the same multiverse.
@@justarandomguyontheinterne681 Some people dont consider that game canon. HOWEVER, i think it still works regardless if it is or not. If it is and Astor is Canon, He could have heard of the stories foretold through the ages too like everyone else through out time to make it to that point in the present (of AoC). I mean he joined the Yiga and the Yiga WERE shiekah at one point. So i dont see it being that hard to believe a bad guy could also find out the prophecy. So while he is the Fortune teller, Zelda and Mineru and possibly even the ancient hero still set everything up for him to find and tell the royal family of the coming of Calamity Ganon. Basically TLDR If Astor is Canon, he read about the prophecy himself and was the one who "rediscovered" the prophecy in the Present (of AoC) Zelda and Mineru still laid the ground work for him, like others to find.
You raise some interesting points here. I've been wondering for months now if the Chamberlin was a Sheikah and contributed to the development of things going forward. As for the fortune teller themselves, it seems like a dropped plot thread they likely forgot about. It seems an effort was made with Age of Calamity to develop that more, but you have take everything with that game with a heavy grain of salt.
"Who is the Fortune Teller" Also same video randomly "The Divine Beasts, Guardians and Sheikah Tech disappeared for a legit reason and heres why" Was not expecting that at all. Im sold. And the Ancient Hero Journey sounds plausible too. Only issue is we still have no idea why he has red hair or is part Zonai or like that one theory, is he a form of ganondorf?
The theory of the ancient hero being a Zonai hero helping to travel around hyrule to assist in building the sheikah tech and guardians is a fantastic one with only one issue. The construct you speak to which gives you the purah pad explicitly says it was given the purah pad by zelda and marks on your map where its records indicate zelda was when she gave it the pad. Mineru can't therefore have assisted this hero directly as they would have had to come to collect the pad and then return it for Link to recieve later, the construct never mentioned that. On the other hand, that hero COULD have been acting on prophecies of their own, using a pre-prepared sheikah slate and the writings left behind by Zelda and Mineru. Impa's ancestors may have been given the task of preparing the future Zonai hero in the same way that Impa would eventually help Link recover his memories after his time in the shrine of resurrection.
If there is more than one construct, and even in the Spirti Temple theres what looks like spots that hold constructs like minerus, maybe there was a prototype Sheikah Slate that got destroyed during the Ancient heros time and thats why theres only two? The construct on the sky islands sound like they are pre programmed with specific responses like a robot so maybe it never mentiones the ancient hero to Link because its just not programmed to.
I love this theory! When we only had trailers for totk i remember the double ouroboros symbol being revealed and there being theories about having a closed timeloop in the game that would connect the current link and zelda with the ancient hero of courage on the tapestry, it didnt end up being in the game even though the idea got me really hyped, but this theory is exactly the kind of stuff i hoped to see back then so thank you! Its really cool to see how you connected zelda to the prophecy and the ancient sheikah, very hype stuff haha
This was one reason i actually made this video, the other reason is i feel Aounuma and the team is taking a "FromSoftware" approach to story telling as a way to "be an open air" style game. It also brings back the feeling of "playground talk" like "i heard about this" Im glad you enjoyed the video and theory!
The sheikah tech being built from the zonai but also the shiekah is such a neat idea i dont think i seen anyone ever mention it. Its always just "It randomly vanished" but no mineru and Zelda talked bout it to make it? so she was not just a fortune teller but also pulled the strings to all of the events of BotW? So Zelda actually caused people to die. wow
Well I think you are both right. I believe Zelda is the source of the original proficey but I think Astor is the fortune teller that the King was refering to.
Some people dont consider that game canon. HOWEVER, i think it still works regardless if it is or not. If it is and Astor is Canon, He could have heard of the stories foretold through the ages too like everyone else through out time to make it to that point in the present (of AoC). I mean he joined the Yiga and the Yiga WERE shiekah at one point. So i dont see it being that hard to believe a bad guy could also find out the prophecy. So while he is the Fortune teller, Zelda and Mineru and possibly even the ancient hero still set everything up for him to find and tell the royal family of the coming of Calamity Ganon. Basically TLDR If Astor is Canon, he read about the prophecy himself and was the one who "rediscovered" the prophecy in the Present (of AoC) Zelda and Mineru still laid the ground work for him, like others to find. Thanks again for watching!
A thing most get wrong Zelda didn´t really is in a Time Loop. The ability is called Recall so she rewinded herself in time and not time traveled like all are saying. You use that ability all the time youself in the game. If it really would be Time Travel you would create with each use a complete new Timeline.
So... I kind of got lost with how Mineru would have done anything to help after separating her soul, and this would cause a massive paradox if it were to be the case, not at all a stable time loop. However, I think the core issue of the theory is that it assumes the fortune teller is not a person, merely a tapestry or information left behind by a person. But that's not the case. You seem to be confusing the fortune teller's prophecy with the tapestry about Calamity Ganon. The tapestry showed the story of the Calamity. It appeared, all of the people of Hyrule banded together to fight it, the Sheikah made the Guardians and Divine Beasts to aid in the fight, and the ancient hero alongside the ancient princess fought off the Calamity itself. And this cycle would repeat every so often. The fortune teller, however, was a person trusted by the royal family who, shortly after Zelda was born, foresaw the return of the Calamity. It's one thing to hear tell of something happening every so often when it hasn't happened in ages, it's another to be told it's finally time for it to happen again. The prophecy was not the cycle of Calamity Ganon as shown by the tapestry, it was specifically that the Calamity would return soon. And then it was furthered by the information that the power to oppose the Calamity would be found buried underground. With this warning that it was finally time for the resurrection of Calamity Ganon and the advice on where to look for a way to save the Kingdom, they began excavating, finding the Guardians and the Divine Beasts and beginning their preparations for the next Calamity. It was a specific person, and the prophecy was the imminent return of the Calamity. It was not the tapestry that showed the history of the Calamity. They always knew the Calamity would eventually return, it had just been so long that they didn't know where to find the Guardians and Divine Beasts and had no idea it would return soon. I feel like I'm repeating myself, but I feel it's important to distinguish there is a difference. Because this means Zelda and Mineru cannot be the fortune teller, unless you have evidence to say they were physically there at the time.
Honestly sorry if you got confused, im still working on getting better at my videos. So my idea is that Zelda herself is the first Fortune Teller, but cuz she travelled back in time she was the one who told the royal family of old. So the Chambermaid was the second "fortune teller" or rather it was a big game of telephone. A event/story that was passed down through the ages, slowly pieces forgotten and changed due to many years passing. Again like a long game of telephone. I wasnt trying to say the tapestry was the fortune teller lol, if anything the tapestry was made by the fortune teller and previous king of old lol Mineru and that section was more "What if/A possibility/unknown to really know/up in the air" as she could have helped the legend of calamity ganon be passed on through time. Basically Zelda is the beginning and thr fortune teller that told her dad had no clue where the story originated. meaning the fortune teller in BotW was in this game of telephone, due to zelda traveling back in time. And as for Zelda and stable time, The timeline is anything but stable, so i could so see this causing some weird timeline shenanigans the devs can use to make a new game. In fact i even theorized this is in a new timeline thats a mirror copy of the old timeline, just remixed. Multi world interpretation. Everyone (or a lot of people at least) thought OoT was a closed time loop that was not a 3 way split. Gotta go to work so sorry if i missed something in your comment, thank you for watching! Every comment helps me get better so i appreciate you taking the time to leave such a big detailed comment! Sorry again if i was confusing but thank you again.
Wow I had my doubts at 1st but you convinced me. In Hyrule Warriors Age of Calamity we meet the villian Astor who is described as the Prophet of Doom who knows the future and is actively trying to make sure the Calamity does happen. It seemed clear to me that Astor was the fortuneteller who got them to dig up the Divine Beasts so that Ganon could take control and while I still believe Astor was the fortunetteller being refered to in one case he might not be in the other. If the only "fortune teller" was from ancient time then what was King Roam's incentive to suddenly start digging up the Divine Beasts since his journal indicates he wasn't fully convinced until they actually found the Divine Beasts. If the royal family was convinced enough all along that an ancient proficy would come true then they could have slowly dug up and repaired the Divine Beasts over a longer period of time. I feel an actual person would need to have convinced the current King to suddenly take action about something he was on the fence about. Parts of your video seemed obvious and parts seemed rediculous at 1st but you did a good job of convincing me that that Zelda is indeed the source of the original proficey but I still think Astor is the fortune teller that the King was refering to.
I can't believe you actually solved an even bigger mystery in this same video though WHY DID THE DIVINE BEASTS DISAPPEAR?! Zelda traveled through time and when she realized she couldn't change the past because it was a closed time loop so Ganon was going to take control of the Gardians and Divine Beasts once no matter what. But she was able to tell Mineru and probably anceint Sheika that they needed to DESIGN the Divine Beasts to dissappear after the events of Breath of the Wild so that Ganondorf couldn't take control of them a 2nd time! GREAT JOB!
Thank you so much for the kind words! It took me some time to work on this video so i really appreciate it!
I thought AoC wasnt canon?
@@BioAlpha5 Thank you for taking the time to respond it means a lot to me that there are people like you out there. You should be proud of your work. I myself had a decent theroy on the Shieka tech which was that half was used to build the new towers and the other half was stolen by the Yiga. We do see a Yiga hide out right where the Shrine of Resurection used to be I figured the Yiga stole and then in order to revive Master Kohga quickly they had to overload it destroying it.
However, while there is a bit more to go on with my theory even I have to admit that yours works better. Not only would it explain why all the Shieka tech disappeared but it would also explain why the disappearence is not being investigated! Purdah and Robie made the Purah Pad instead ot making something that could track down the Sheika Slate; and Impa is investigating the Geoglyphs not what happened to the Divine Beasts. If the Shiekah Tech was designed to disappear then stories could have been passed down through generations so that they were expecting that to happen. Don't get me wrong I doubt Purah and Impa know everything but there is evidence they know some of it through ancient stories or proficies that are known only to the Shieka leaders. For instance even with everything that is going on Impa SUDDENLY retires as Chief and goes searching for the Geoglyphs and while I originally brushed it off as a game mechanic that we just happen to come accross Impa and the 1st Dragon Tear early in the game with hind sight the game does say Impa was rushing. She was rushing because she KNEW the Geoglyphs were so important even if some of the details were lost to time. Impa even mentions the Forgotten Temple and goes to it early on. Then after Impa and her assistant lead us to a map of where all the Geoglyphs are they mention how useful it would be if there was an item for taking pictures. And what did Purah and Robbie just HAPPEN to be inventing between the events of BOTW and TOTK the Purah Pad! It seems like there was indeed a secret mission given to the Shieka that was passed down for generations. Again I don't think they know everything but I am confident they know something. They might even know that time travel is somehow involved and so they do there best to guide us without potentially messing up the time line.
@@justarandomguyontheinterne681 Well it is and it isn't.
AGE OF CALAMITY SPOILER ALERT BELOW
At the begining of the game we see the little Gardian travel back in time and try to prevent the event the Calamity (thus preventy BOTW and TOTK from ever happening). However, Astor is actively working to make sure the Calamity does happen and while a few details change things are about to ultimetly play out with the same disastor from 100 years ago. UNTIL the little Gardian borrows Zelda's power to pull Teba, Sidon, Ruigi, and Yunobo through time to help prevent the Champions from dying. These 4 time travelers clearly refer to the events from BOTW and from the "canon" timeline in between the 2 "canon" games. At the end of the game the Calamity is successfully prevented in one timeline/ dimension but the 4 time travelers return home. The fact that the time traveler's and there home still exist at the end of Age of Calamity is proof that the original dimension/ timeline still exists despite the Calamity being prevented which would clearly create a new dimension/ timeline. It is probably similar to the timline split from the end of Ocorina of Time. So you could say that AOC is not canon to the main timeline where BOTW and TOTK take place. But I think it would be more accurate to say that Age of Calamity creates a new timeline in a new dimension but both timelines/ dimensions are canon in the same multiverse.
@@justarandomguyontheinterne681 Some people dont consider that game canon. HOWEVER, i think it still works regardless if it is or not. If it is and Astor is Canon, He could have heard of the stories foretold through the ages too like everyone else through out time to make it to that point in the present (of AoC). I mean he joined the Yiga and the Yiga WERE shiekah at one point. So i dont see it being that hard to believe a bad guy could also find out the prophecy. So while he is the Fortune teller, Zelda and Mineru and possibly even the ancient hero still set everything up for him to find and tell the royal family of the coming of Calamity Ganon. Basically
TLDR
If Astor is Canon, he read about the prophecy himself and was the one who "rediscovered" the prophecy in the Present (of AoC) Zelda and Mineru still laid the ground work for him, like others to find.
That Ancient Hero part came out of nowhere and i am all for it. makes so much snese. Also nice recap on events and voice of Rhoam!
You raise some interesting points here. I've been wondering for months now if the Chamberlin was a Sheikah and contributed to the development of things going forward. As for the fortune teller themselves, it seems like a dropped plot thread they likely forgot about. It seems an effort was made with Age of Calamity to develop that more, but you have take everything with that game with a heavy grain of salt.
"Who is the Fortune Teller" Also same video randomly "The Divine Beasts, Guardians and Sheikah Tech disappeared for a legit reason and heres why"
Was not expecting that at all. Im sold.
And the Ancient Hero Journey sounds plausible too. Only issue is we still have no idea why he has red hair or is part Zonai or like that one theory, is he a form of ganondorf?
The theory of the ancient hero being a Zonai hero helping to travel around hyrule to assist in building the sheikah tech and guardians is a fantastic one with only one issue. The construct you speak to which gives you the purah pad explicitly says it was given the purah pad by zelda and marks on your map where its records indicate zelda was when she gave it the pad. Mineru can't therefore have assisted this hero directly as they would have had to come to collect the pad and then return it for Link to recieve later, the construct never mentioned that.
On the other hand, that hero COULD have been acting on prophecies of their own, using a pre-prepared sheikah slate and the writings left behind by Zelda and Mineru. Impa's ancestors may have been given the task of preparing the future Zonai hero in the same way that Impa would eventually help Link recover his memories after his time in the shrine of resurrection.
If there is more than one construct, and even in the Spirti Temple theres what looks like spots that hold constructs like minerus, maybe there was a prototype Sheikah Slate that got destroyed during the Ancient heros time and thats why theres only two? The construct on the sky islands sound like they are pre programmed with specific responses like a robot so maybe it never mentiones the ancient hero to Link because its just not programmed to.
Charles Martinet doing Zelda's VA here
Thank you! lol
I love this theory! When we only had trailers for totk i remember the double ouroboros symbol being revealed and there being theories about having a closed timeloop in the game that would connect the current link and zelda with the ancient hero of courage on the tapestry, it didnt end up being in the game even though the idea got me really hyped, but this theory is exactly the kind of stuff i hoped to see back then so thank you! Its really cool to see how you connected zelda to the prophecy and the ancient sheikah, very hype stuff haha
This was one reason i actually made this video, the other reason is i feel Aounuma and the team is taking a "FromSoftware" approach to story telling as a way to "be an open air" style game. It also brings back the feeling of "playground talk" like "i heard about this"
Im glad you enjoyed the video and theory!
The sheikah tech being built from the zonai but also the shiekah is such a neat idea i dont think i seen anyone ever mention it. Its always just "It randomly vanished" but no mineru and Zelda talked bout it to make it? so she was not just a fortune teller but also pulled the strings to all of the events of BotW? So Zelda actually caused people to die. wow
Holy shit I saw you in Bandits great debate I had no clue it was you until I saw your name exiting the comments. Good video btw.
The fortuneeller was someone close to the king, its confirmed in the japanese dialogue
exactly. As i explained in the video lol
I always though Aster from Age of Calamity was the fortune teller
Well I think you are both right. I believe Zelda is the source of the original proficey but I think Astor is the fortune teller that the King was refering to.
Some people dont consider that game canon. HOWEVER, i think it still works regardless if it is or not. If it is and Astor is Canon, He could have heard of the stories foretold through the ages too like everyone else through out time to make it to that point in the present (of AoC). I mean he joined the Yiga and the Yiga WERE shiekah at one point. So i dont see it being that hard to believe a bad guy could also find out the prophecy. So while he is the Fortune teller, Zelda and Mineru and possibly even the ancient hero still set everything up for him to find and tell the royal family of the coming of Calamity Ganon. Basically
TLDR
If Astor is Canon, he read about the prophecy himself and was the one who "rediscovered" the prophecy in the Present (of AoC) Zelda and Mineru still laid the ground work for him, like others to find.
Thanks again for watching!
Same
@@BioAlpha5 I wasn't notified of the response 😭
Though that answer makes a lot of sense now that you say it, so cool!
A thing most get wrong Zelda didn´t really is in a Time Loop.
The ability is called Recall so she rewinded herself in time and not time traveled like all are saying.
You use that ability all the time youself in the game.
If it really would be Time Travel you would create with each use a complete new Timeline.
It was astor.
Im not saying it wasnt. it works regardless if its canon or not.
Astor had to have heard it from somewhere right?
So... I kind of got lost with how Mineru would have done anything to help after separating her soul, and this would cause a massive paradox if it were to be the case, not at all a stable time loop.
However, I think the core issue of the theory is that it assumes the fortune teller is not a person, merely a tapestry or information left behind by a person. But that's not the case. You seem to be confusing the fortune teller's prophecy with the tapestry about Calamity Ganon.
The tapestry showed the story of the Calamity. It appeared, all of the people of Hyrule banded together to fight it, the Sheikah made the Guardians and Divine Beasts to aid in the fight, and the ancient hero alongside the ancient princess fought off the Calamity itself. And this cycle would repeat every so often.
The fortune teller, however, was a person trusted by the royal family who, shortly after Zelda was born, foresaw the return of the Calamity. It's one thing to hear tell of something happening every so often when it hasn't happened in ages, it's another to be told it's finally time for it to happen again. The prophecy was not the cycle of Calamity Ganon as shown by the tapestry, it was specifically that the Calamity would return soon. And then it was furthered by the information that the power to oppose the Calamity would be found buried underground. With this warning that it was finally time for the resurrection of Calamity Ganon and the advice on where to look for a way to save the Kingdom, they began excavating, finding the Guardians and the Divine Beasts and beginning their preparations for the next Calamity.
It was a specific person, and the prophecy was the imminent return of the Calamity. It was not the tapestry that showed the history of the Calamity. They always knew the Calamity would eventually return, it had just been so long that they didn't know where to find the Guardians and Divine Beasts and had no idea it would return soon. I feel like I'm repeating myself, but I feel it's important to distinguish there is a difference. Because this means Zelda and Mineru cannot be the fortune teller, unless you have evidence to say they were physically there at the time.
Honestly sorry if you got confused, im still working on getting better at my videos. So my idea is that Zelda herself is the first Fortune Teller, but cuz she travelled back in time she was the one who told the royal family of old. So the Chambermaid was the second "fortune teller" or rather it was a big game of telephone. A event/story that was passed down through the ages, slowly pieces forgotten and changed due to many years passing. Again like a long game of telephone. I wasnt trying to say the tapestry was the fortune teller lol, if anything the tapestry was made by the fortune teller and previous king of old lol
Mineru and that section was more "What if/A possibility/unknown to really know/up in the air" as she could have helped the legend of calamity ganon be passed on through time.
Basically Zelda is the beginning and thr fortune teller that told her dad had no clue where the story originated.
meaning the fortune teller in BotW was in this game of telephone, due to zelda traveling back in time.
And as for Zelda and stable time, The timeline is anything but stable, so i could so see this causing some weird timeline shenanigans the devs can use to make a new game. In fact i even theorized this is in a new timeline thats a mirror copy of the old timeline, just remixed. Multi world interpretation.
Everyone (or a lot of people at least) thought OoT was a closed time loop that was not a 3 way split.
Gotta go to work so sorry if i missed something in your comment, thank you for watching! Every comment helps me get better so i appreciate you taking the time to leave such a big detailed comment!
Sorry again if i was confusing but thank you again.