Update: It looks like the Seals of Beelzebub I had mixed up with a second different seal of Beelzebub, though Beelzebub's and Baal's seals are similar, this doesn't seem to confirm that she is a Goetia. with the rest of the evidence presented, and this seal being used instead of Beelzebub's more unique one, I Think this still makes it a very plausible theory.
*Thanks for the update on your video and admitting your honest mistake, Deep Cut from CartoonUniverse!* ;D *It takes courage, honesty ,and humility to admit their mistakes as well correct/learn from their mistakes and I purely 💯 % respect you for that!* *Hopefully we learn more info on Queen Bee-zleBub and other characters in both future seasons and episodes of Helluva Boss and Hazbin Hotel!* ;😉 😇
@@علياحمد-ي9ث9ت I will talk about unicorn warriors eternal after its finale next week, and I don't know what else to say about Bojack Horseman that I didn't say in our giant 24 minute review of the entire series.
Belphagor could be a hypnotist. Keeping individuals in a trance with drugs. Keep in mind Bee was upset she couldn't break in cause the locks were changed
*Ooo, interesting theory, **#savagebear4374**!* ;D *Yeah, I was getting mental energy M.O. vibes as well as psychedelic /pharmaceutical drugs and liquid antipsychotics as themes in the Sloth- Ring in the world of Helluva Boss and Hazbin Hotel!* 🤗
He is also known to be an inventor . So maybe his house specifically is ultra high-tech. Maybe even have angelic weapons/traps in order to stop powerful demons, like Bee, from breaking into their house.
@@icarue993 maybe which would be pretty cool for a character type and it's interesting since Belphagor seems to be planned to also be a princess of hell by the way Bee-lzebub talked about her
Also according to Bee, Belphegor could also be a female. that line (not an accurate translation) "I tried going to sloth to raid some bel's Drugs, but she had the good stuff under lock and key"
Or Belphagor could be the medic for the performer who get injured and knows about drug he could just be casually providing to everyone else who wants or needs it
@@hitekkaifighter1825 I think that's more negligence on Beelzebub's part than anything malicious. Bee is a party girl through and through, that's all she focuses on. Sure, she'll do her job, signing the adoption papers, but I doubt she has ever visited a single adoption agency to check the conditions.
Me too. It’s refreshing to see a character confident enough to openly “take care” of others openly and be good host material simply because she enjoys it, while everyone around her appreciates it but also implicitly understands she is not to be fucked with. It seems her “job” involves some sort of food-based manupulation tactics to get things done, suggested in her song, but as a person in her off-time, she seems to legit care about those around her. Very cool character and I hope she stays exactly as she is
To keep the conflicts from escalating to a point they would affect the hazbin hotel, I don't think any of the princes are going to go too far as antagonists. So they will most likely stay relatively nice. What I am hoping for is an expansion on how each of how their nice image connects to some darker intentions. For example Ozzy spreads lust partly to catch key people in taboos then exploit them. Bee can be an empath that uses it to heighten her buzz at her parties and all of her social butterfly tendencies are just to keep people happy to keep her buzz high. I am actually convinced that her competition with blitz was just a ploy to get him pass out drunk and remove him from the party without disrupting the party.
*Same here! :D Vivziepop seems to be a brilliant, benevolent, intelligent, and mindful woman who prove that are benevolent hellhounds in mythology and lore!* :D *More love for Loona ,Crymini, andQueen Bee-zleBub for examples !* ^-^
Correct me if I am wrong but I don't think the show ever referred to the rulers of the seven rings as princes. Asmodeus was referred to as the embodiment of lust and Bee was referred to as the queen of gluttony. So it is possible that the show will give the 7 rulers different titles other than prince in order to avoid confusion with the princes of the Ars Goetia.
They use the title as princes as broad term. Especially when there's one who rules hell above all. It's easier then calling this powerful demon as "Queen of" or another demon as "Lord of"
I have a theory that Beelzebub isn't actually a fox at all and is actually fully insect like in her true form but has the ability to change her form like Paimon. Maybe she adopts this form when partying with her Hellhound subjects to make them feel more comfortable and open to committing gluttony when she's around? Especially considering that hellhounds are used to being mistreated by upper class demons so it would make sense for Bee to change her form if the goal is to get them to loosen up.
I enjoy her "sickly sweet" characterization. Obviously she's kind in some genuine ways, if she'll care about someone as distant as "boyfriend's best-friend's dad" which is refreshing, but it's also evident that despite the kindness she is still spreading gluttony and is actively encouraging massive amounts of alcohol and hallucinogenic addiction the entire party.
Small theory, I wonder if Bee stays looking like a bee if the vibes/energy she absorbs from people are happy and positive, but looks like a fly when the vibes are negative and down. It may further explain why she's so sensitive to people who aren't having a genuinely good time at her parties like with Blitzo.
*Really, now?*🤔 *Is Queen Bee-zleBub the benevolent hellhound princess of the Gluttony Ring in Helluva Boss in somewhat connected to Baal , an infamous and tabooed idol god of lust from ancient Bibilcal times in some ,shape or form? I mean , Queen Bee-zleBub did some sensuality to her personality and charm, but not as invasive or extreme as Asmodeus. I honestly don't know. Maybe Vivziepop will officially confirm or debunk this theory! But ,still, nevertheless, thanks for the new Helluva Boss video, Deep Cut from **#CartoonUniverse**!* ;D
Beelzebub being part foxs fits for me (even ghe potential ties to both Envy and Gluttony) Foxes and Mythology and Religion in some instances are also infamous as Tricksters and somtimes Envious or Gluttonous With one particularly bad case in the Story of "The investiture of the Gods" Where one such Spirt became the Wife of a tyrannical emperor, and committed MANY horrible acts to both honor her deal with a goddess for divinity by helping set up the Emperors downfall, but also sate her own dark hunger and curiousity to the point the goddess wanted to back out of the deal from how much pleasure she took from her acts... So her being Fun loving but deceptive Fits in many ways Especially as a round about way of performing her Royal duties.
given their frequent showing, I wonder if Leviathan will have some connection to sea lion/seals, as they're common animal performers in circuses. But that might fall under Bee's animal trainer schtick. Leviathan could be like... hoaxes and fake cryptids like how circuses would claim to have mermaids. Whether as divers holding their breath, or taxidermied monstrosities like the Fiji Mermaid. We don't really have anyone to represent the Freak Show yet, but envy's emphasis on wealth and status makes me think that Leviathan is unlikely to be the Freak Show. But maybe that would fit Belphagor?
@@geoffreyrichards6079 I haven't been to too many circuses, but I don't recall thespian actors being part of the performance. Sword swallowers and fire eaters, maybe, but not actors.
Given that the apps seem to physically represent the 7 sins one way or another, the freak-show act would make sense for Leviathan, given that it seems to hint at that they have 2 heads, and since deep sea creatures tend to be more... characteristic than most other lifeforms this would also play into it.
Paimon seems to imply that in addition to bird demons, the goetia likely also includes multi-headed/dragon/serpents, ram/goat like demons, elephant like demons, and demons with floating heads
Could Beezlebub really be the Queen for Baal? That's pretty cool! Plus I sometimes wonder if Bee and Ozzie would interact, if they have then it could be interesting.😮🤔
@xxmension04xx47 *That's very likely. Although I honestly love/prefer Queen Bee-zleBub over Asmodeus any day for multiple good reasons, in my honest opinion and book.* 🤗
@Ceriu *Again, gluttony is a venial sin ! Pretty sure Queen Bee-zleBub is good! You 're able to heal and recover from the Gluttony Ring and reverse obesity, metabolic syndrome, and eating /drinking disorders rather than recovering from STD and social fears from the Lust Ring , kleptomania and gambling from the Greed-Ring, bloodlust and rage at the Wrath Ring, insecurity and materialism in the Envy Ring, and sensory disorientation ,passivity ignorance,and depression in the Sloth Ring. Pride is a complex thing since it has both a light side and a dark side.* 🤗
DeepCut, I think there could be a misconception with the way that the seven princes are seen treated as royalty, they are far more like famous celebrities from hell. They don’t have actual command but are instead immensely popular within each of their respective rings.
In fact, their work is done by Goetia, but the supreme word in important matters is still for the princes, it makes sense because were told that Lucifer is not engaged in the management of Hell.
I keep hearing this, but is there some sort of source? Keep in mind Lucifer has tried to sue mammon and lost, and we do know he is king of all of hell with dominion over everything, so unless he's giving way to the other princes with some sort of royal claim to their territory it doesn't make sense that they'd be just famous people. Beelzebub says she considers Satan* like a brother even though he's not, indicating that they are seen as related probably because of their titles. they definitely have that celebrity quality to them, but it seems like they hold a specific title over their geographic area.
Maybe its more of a governship, maybe they are demons of diffrents types who lucifer gave a ring to rule (could explain the overlap with asmodeus who is both a sin and ars goeatia, king)
Lucifer not only rules his own ring, but the entirety of hell. So I think it's safe to assume each prince does have complete rule of their rings but allow Goetia to run them. The Goetia are the managers, the princes are the CEOs
Hell's Circus: Lucifer: Ringleader Mammon: Clown Asmodeus: Dancer Leviathan: Water Act? (Seaworld anyone?) Beelzebub: Animal Act Satan: Strongman Belphegor: Magician? (Only guess to this would be potion making = drug manufacturing) Acrobat would also be something to consider as a classic circus act, though arguably Asmodeus could fit that role. Though Leviathan could also be an acrobat in a water medium like some kind of Hell version of Cirque du Soleil's "O" show.
I would definitely like a more speculative video in the future. For example, if the von Eldrich family Is a newer family that rose to prominence What does that say for the other deities and hierarchies of cuthulu mythos? There is also a lot of creative potential in the thirty six Decons of hell, essentially a demonic zodiac loosely related to the Goetia. Also, Dante's inferno and a lot of theologian texts took from other mythologies and religions to downgrade or make fun of those cultures. If so, what are the likelihoods for the greco roman or Egyptian deities of the afterlife to be reproduced or re represented as a species in hell? There is a lot to go into and it's a lot of fun theory crafting even if nothing comes out of it in the cannon.
@emanuelbaigorria3932 Where was that mentioned? Because on the HH official wiki and reddit It doesn't say that they're sinners and the fact that the twins went to high school with charlie, which implies the age which sinners do not. Also, overlords like Rosie have been confirmed to not be human sinners, so it's not an exclusive title like the royalty is.
I think it may be more likely that Bee is direct relative to Baal (like his or her daughter). Perhaps Bee inherited the position from Baal, as I think she come off as someone who is relatively young for someone that is running an entire circle of hell.
I really like how you can tell how beloved Bee is in Vivziepop's eyes, as compared to the designs of Asmodeus and Lucifer. Not to say that the design for Asmodeus isn't impressive (Lucifer's is a bit bland to be honest) it's very creative, but no other characters' design can hold a candle to Bee's. She's absolutely gorgeous and the lava lamp like aesthetics serve to make her all the more breathtaking. This is a character design that will easily command the attention of whatever room she's in, you couldn't imagine her being overlooked in a corner anywhere. It's obvious that Vivziepop went all out for this character for Kesha and that's so heartwarming to see her fanship being rewarded.
Maybe Belphegor might be inspired by fortune tellers and/or hypnotists, since those are the only things I could think of for her? She was mentioned by Bee to have party drugs and her app is called "Sleepy Pills".
Due to the popularity of the show, its overtly LGBTQ+ themes and demonic mythos, I'm amazed there hasn't been backlash from the usual suspects. Not that I'm trying to throw meat to the bigots...it's like we're just cruising under the radar and nomming on our cotton candy.
I hope bee comes back in future episodes maybe something that’s focused on fleshing out the lore of the ars goetia. If that’s ever a plan. I just hope in time the hate for her design can blow over cause she doesn’t deserve the hate. She’s an amazing character and caring person and deserves all the love she deserves. I can’t wait to see who vivzipop casts as Lucifer when hazbin hotel finally releases.
*Agreed ,**#RaptorRed**! *Whether it's negative slander on Queen Bee-zleBub 's visage/physique or holding some unhealthy spite unfair judgment and lack of forgiveness towards Queen Bee-zleBub 's VA ,Ke$ha who did some questionable stuff in the past or something else of that ilk, I hope it blows over too ,my friend! And ,yes, I also purely 💯 % agree with you that Queen Bee-zleBub is an awesome, beautiful, spunky, and benevolent hellhound princess of the Gluttony Ring and I hope she returns in future seasons and episodes of Helluva Boss!* ;D
@@booksmartthealicorn3219 and keep her design. We don’t need to have her different just cause of fans hating the look. I love the look and I get constructive criticism but it’s her show. If she wants to make her a bug, fennec fox hybrid than that’s her business. You don’t hear complaints on the other characters in the show. Why start now?
@RaptorRed *Exactly! Agreed!:D I love Queen Bee-zleBub, both in personality / character and special abilities, as well as her physical from too!* :D *Like I said before, anyone with bad faith and/or any form of unrepentant negativity might end up becoming a sinner-demon in either the Pride Ring or the Envy Ring!* *Move love and respect for Vivziepop and the brilliant and talented Helluva Boss/Hazbin Hotel cast and crew please!* ;D 😇🌌❣️
@@booksmartthealicorn3219 and besides f people have a problem then simply do fan art of what you think it should look like but don’t change what we got just cause of a few haters. Plus if she did that she’ll please the haters but piss the ones who loved the original design and then the haters would’ve won while the lovers lose which could affect the love the show. Now I don’t mean don’t take constructive criticism cause that’s needed to improve, but if you have a vision on how your project wants too look then stick too it.
The bird theme could be for the pride ring, because as you said they are mostly there. Asmodeus has less of a visible bird theme, so it could be mainly on Pride, therefore Baalzebub has a different theme because of the different ring.
Leviathan is the Prince I am most looking forward to seeing. Envy is such a unique Sin because it can come in two forms, being envied or envious, and I hope Vivziepop plays into both with Leviathan being the 'second-best' of the Sins. I also think they'll be a pangender shape-shifter.
Theres also the Interesting Fact that Asmodeus Guards the Sacred Treasures of King Solomon. meaning that Asmodeus could in fact have Sacred Relics like the Holy Grail or the Arc.
My prediction on Belphegor is that she is probably going to be a fortune teller or something like that. They are parts of circus performances and carnivals in general, plus magic/mysticism has sometimes been called as a kind of drug for the mind so it could be possible that Belphegor might play that role in the show. Also, magic has a connection with psychedelics so her being a fortune teller that provides satisfaction in the form of mystical drug essence kind of makes sense.
There's a chance this was the one and only episode we'll ever see this character, so credit where it's due to Kesha because she gave a damn good one-off performance 😊
When you mentioned that Andrealphus’ ice palace might be in the ninth circle of Hell which Dante describes as a frozen wasteland, I remembered that Dante wrote that the ninth circle was reserved for sinners guilty of treachery, be it against their country or those close to them. This further hints that he is going to betray Stella, either directly or indirectly by trying to hurt Octavia after being initially under the impression that he would help her achieve their goals in a way that would not harm Octavia.
i want to learn if or ever she'll introduce Azrael the angel of death, and the concept of the grim reaper where the earliest depiction happened during the black death
I hope we see the other Princes. I wonder about something, though. If Beelzebub thinks her Hellhounds are like her worker bees making her honey, then what exactly does she take to make it out of and how does she make it?
@@pyro-millie5533 I'd also like to see what the other Princes look like. Maybe Leviathan looks like a humanoid fish creature that can turn into a giant sea serpent in a manner similar to the other Princes.
I should note that Beelzebub’s symbol, while similar to Bael’s, does have its slight differences in terms of design. Note how the bottom part of the design has a noticeably longer point that reaches the rim with an additional circle as opposed to the original. Assuming this isn’t just an error, this could imply that the two may be separate but somehow related.
In Hebrew baal also means husband and actually it's more commonly used as husband: in weddings the husband and wife are announced as " baal and isha". But it also means owner in Hebrew so many in helluva boss baal will play a role as the owner of the hell hounds pounds... But the tricky thing is that baal has even more meanings😅😅 but those two are the most commonly used to my knowledge
I feel like it makes more sense for beelzebub and Baal to be separate demons. Like how Lucifer and satan are separate demons, while some depictions show them as the same person.
Except Lucifer and Satan have always been seperate entitys? Baal and Beelzebub are the same entity but then split off down the line, as mentioned in the video.
@@GoatMilkCookieNot exactly, because there is a Canaanite legend that mentions that Beelzebub is a fusion between two pagan Phoenician gods (Baal and Zebub).
I am genuinely curious as to where you heard þat. I don’t mean to sound condescending, but every depiction of Paimon I’ve seen describes him as a man wiþ a woman’s face riding a dromedary, noþing about rams or goats at all. Demonology has been a hobby of mine for a while, so I’d love to know where you heard þis, because I’d love to find a new source to look into!
@@claypigeon7063 The lesser key of Solomon, that's the depiction I got. Check it out, its a very neat read. It goes over I think? 72? demons? I forgot, lost the book.
@@segnen9765 Probably seventy-two, þæt seems to be þe general consensus as to how many Goetia demons exist. I’ll give it a read! It sounds fascinating!
Beelzebub being “Lord of the flies” makes sense. She is essentially the lord of the hell hounds, who are looked down apon as the lowest of the lows, or the flies that are not very important to others being beyond servants
when you mentioned mammon slimming himself down...I think all of the princes do this, since Bee has a small form and Asmodeus also has his smaller form we see so maybe all of them have a smaller form to hide in public when needed
So far, all of the Ars Goetia have been avian, and Vivzie went out of her way to make Asmodeus an avian demon including comparisons with Stolas in the design notes, so Beelzebub not being avian in any way would suggest that she and Baal will be separate characters. So Beelzebub isn't a member of the Ars Goetia, it'll be Baal instead who takes the place as a king of the Ars Goetia.
8:00 They’re not summoning seals, but seals of allegiance, you summon the demon into a 6 pointed star and control it with a bronze object with the demon’s symbol engraved.
I just love how videos like this is clear up a lot of things and honestly makes it open to what Vivziepop is possibly thinking when she designs a character! A lot of people on Twitter were talking about how Beelzebub's design was basically a Kesha fursona but your video makes the theory of the Ars Goetia family possibly being different animal species instead and I love it!
It seems interesting the “Royal” side of each ruler of each ring of Hell as I seem to find it fascinating to discover more of each ruler. As I didn’t know that Queen Bee was a fox as I was feeling that she was a type of hound that has a bee complex. But seeing that she is a fox make loads of sense. 😄 so can’t wait to see if we get the appearance of Mammon as their face been showing around lately as just “Headshots” only throughout each episode that shine their appearance. So fingers crossed they look amazing and characteristics be unique in a way.
A little something that I find funny is that we all know the Stolas drawing (the one they based his design on) but in the Lesser key of Solomon he actually isn't described as an owl, but rather as a 'mighty raven'. So someone found a stash of drawings and a book and tried to match the Goetias with the pictures and probably couldn't find a raven, so he just took the owl drawing and called it a day. Or maybe they didn't know what a raven looked like idk. But it's fun to think about
Beelzebub and Bael/Baal are the same entity in judo-christian mythology, the word "Baal" meaning "Lord" in Hebrew, and Beelzebub meaning "Lord of the Flies'', also in Hebrew. However, judo-christian mythology is based on ancient egyptian and mesopotamian mythologies. In mesopotamian mythology, Dagon is the equivalent of Beelzebub for judo-christian mythology. And in that folklore, Dagon has a son named Bal. So, it could be concluded that, depending on the mythology and canon, Beelzebub and Bael could be the same exact demon, or two completely different demons. If Bael is separate from Beelzebub in Helluva Boss' head-canon, then she is not part of the Goetia, as her having a sigil/seal does not imply that she is a goetic demon. The majority of non-goetic demons in judo-christian mythology have sigils too. Lucifer has a chalice shaped sigil, and Leviathan has the famous "Leviathan's Cross'". All and all, Vizzie could be making her own head-canon, where Beelzebub and Bael are separate, but both part of the Goetia family. We will have to wait and see! :}
I hope the design of belphegore will be based on elephants, because the animal has several characteristics that could fit with the circle of sloth shown in the series. First, elephants have the appearance of someone who is always tired (by their small eyes and wrinkled skin). moreover their trumpeting which resembles, with a little imagination, yawning and snoring. At this point we can also add the fact that elephants are, most of the time, quite slow animals. Second, the elephants are very popular animals in circuses, which goes well with the theme of "circus hell". And although being an elephant can duplicate the animal trainer aspect of Beezlebut, in the last episode it is through the latter that we learn that Belphegore is a woman and they seem to be quite close . Thridly, the medical aspect of the sloth ring can totally suit a demon elephant, because elephants in nature practice self-medication, they are long-lived (a trait usually with medical care), they are among animals the most intelligent, as said above they are slow (both physically and mentally, that's why they can be easily startled and frightened), and since elephants only sleep one or two hours a day I can easily imagine Belphegore having invented these pills against insomnia. And fourth, their trunks, I mean if you assume that Belphegore will be a humanoid elephant, using only your nose to manipulate your environment when you have two functional arms might seem pretty lazy, right? And as for her professions, I think (like many people in the comments) that she would be either a hypnotist or a Fakir (+ 2 points if the design is indeed an elephant because 1: Asian elephants are very used by man in India and shows and 2 elephants have a greater surface area for their feet to distribute their weight, which means that they sink less than humans in soft ground, and that is that same technique that helps the Fakir walked on nails) or an illusionist (although Levhiathan is an equally good candidate for the job, if not better).
I don't know about anybody else but I kinda like Queen Bee's design as the design shows you don't have to be over-weight when it comes to gluttony. The gluttony thing could be being able to eat without getting full or anything.
Maybe Bee doesn’t have a bird design because she wasn’t born with the purpose of being a Goetia. Maybe she was adopted in for doing something of importance.
Beelzebub being a "fly disguised as a bee" sounds to me like a Hoverfly, a type of fly that mimicks the looks and even the behavior of bees and wasps as a form of camouflage to avoid potential predators by making them think they can sting.
I had a hermit crab named Baal he was huge he was probably bigger than a soft ball. He was so friendly and would come right to you for snuggles. He was totally a gentle giant. I loved him so much and I miss him deeply.
It is possible that Belphegor will be sent to the fire show. Since in the finale of season 1, during the song, one of the dancers gave out a flame from behind her mouth. Probably on him, since I'm not sure that she will send magicians to the performance. It's so simple a couple of theories on what she or he may refer to in the future.
I speak Hebrew, Baal means owner (בעל), zebub translates to fly( זבוב), technically its owner of flies, not lord, however in old hebrew text owner is a word used to describe for example "lord of the house"( בעל בית), the word just refers to being an owner of something and that having higher power of some sorts. Husbands are also called by the same word!
i love when shows take inspiration from historical writings and something about the combination of that and the fact this show is so inappropriate makes it so fun
I think each of the seven Princes have their summoning seals just like the Goetia, since both Asmo and Bee have had theirs displayed. But Paimon and Stolas have seals as well, despite not being Sins but Goetia.
Þe seals are unique to þe Ars Goetia, while I’ve never seen a sigil specific to þe Sins. Bael/Beelzebub and Asmodai/Asmodeus are þe only demons - as far as I could find - to be boþ a Sin and a member of þe Ars Goetia, so I’m not sure what Vivzie’s plan is for þe rest of þe Sins, like Satan, Leviathan, and Belphegor.
Something I’ve wondered in terms of Lucifer ruling over the other 6 sins is if he has the ability to travel to other rings since he’s technically not a native to hell being a fallen angle and originating from heaven? I guess it would depend on if the whole sinners not being able to travel to other rings rule is like a law enforced by the rulers of hell or a natural part hell where it is physically impossible
I don't care what people say is "bad writing" or is just a bad show, I don't let that ruin my enjoyment. Every episode is still a fun ride, and it's interesting how the lore is inspired by real life demonology!
I’ve researched about Ba’al and Beezlebub months before this episode released and I even pointed out on my Instagram when it did release about the similarities between Beezlebub and Ba’al! But when I did it I did it in terms of polytheistic beings since Ba’al was the name of a bull headed god worshiped in Canaan who demanded live children sacrifices and Beezlebub was also a god from Palestine, but they were both classified as demons that was acquainted with each other
A minor gripe in the grand scheme of things, but I don't really see the animal trainer if Bee's design at all (at the very least she's less circus like than Lucy and Ozzie.) To make matters worse, why is it animal trainer and not, oh I don't know, *sword swallower!* Come on her whole deal is eating things your not supposed to and that act was right there!!!
Beelzebub being furry but not canine like hellhounds definitely reminds me of MLP griffons: when they returned in season 5, a lot more creativity was put into their designs by making them any hybrid of cat and bird, instead of specifically Eagle and lion. While we haven’t seen anything like that aside from comparing the queen of Gluttony to her subjects, it’d certainly be interesting to see in hellhounds. That said, Vivzie’s been killing it with even background character designs, so mixing other furry stuff in wouldn’t be necessary like it was for griffons.
(i'm waiting to watch the video I haven't seen it yet though) Baal was a god all on his own yes, beelzebub however from historical understanding is supposed to be play on said god made by christianity to mock it. Thus the jokes that Baal attracted flies thus beelzebub was the lord of the flies because bulls attract flies (much ado becasue of their defecation) So in one way yes you can say the aren't the same, in another since christianity became dominant (and since we have leviathanin here who is ALSO not supposed to be a ruling demon of hell) you could say was taken in by christianity and instead adopted a form they saw as suitable ot fit in.
The point cartoon universe was trying to make is that both the ideas of demons named: Baal and Beelzebub is from christians/jews demonising and mocking the same god: Ba'al. Ba'al means lord and was used the name or title of a pagan god. Just like the godess Ishtar was in retellings by christians/jews twisted into Ashtaroth a demon. Ba'al was twisted into two demons Baal and Beelzebub so wizipop combined them back into the same entity since they were both originally slanders of the same entity.
Belphegor might be a mime? Or a sideshow of sorts? Since the sideshows were appearance oriented and there was little physical demand of them, most just kind of sat like paintings?
4:38 I highly disagree, dancing is pretty much guaranteed for all the sins who'll be singing their own songs, and dance isn't really that much of Asmodeus' focus. But considering the top hat, the fancy suit, the rooster tail looking like coattails, the smoke and mirrors, and the fact that Fizz kinda serves as a magician's assistant/white rabbit, Asmodeus is much more like the magician of the troupe rather than just a dancer.
Quick question, may sound dumb but I've had it in the back of my mind for a while When confronting Stella, Stolas says the only purpose of their marriage was "To provide a precautionary heir for the Goetia family", however in the family dinner as well as in the flashback of Stolas' childhood, we see the Goetia family has tens of members. Why would they need another heir for?
I kind of knew that Baal and Beelzebub were the same Deity. Only because of me being a fan of the SMT series. Where demonology is very crucial. And they always connected Baal and Beelzebub together. Where Baal would be a Fusion component to make Beelzebub (or sometimes the other way around)
Other animal lineages in the Ars Goetia sounds fun, we've only been dealing with a small part of the nobility so it would be fun to see what Vivzie does next.
well in christian demonology baal is a demon but originally he was a warrior and storm god of the levant, he was basically the greatest foe against demons in his time
In my opinion it seems like your hiearchy theory of kings, princes etc. in the ars goetia might also apply to the different species that the ars goetia has. So for example despite both being kings, bee could be lower on the heirchy than paimon because she is similar to a hellhound (i know she is a fox but this is just my theory).
3:04, biology major here, while it is true that honeybees technically have four wings, they are extremely difficult to distinguish. In flight the primary and secondary wings hook together and function as single wing, moving in perfect sync so much so that you can’t tell them apart even when viewing in slow motion.
Is it possible you could bring up how belphagor also seems to be a princess? Because Bee referred to her as a “she” when talking about how bel put some sort of lock on party drugs
the fact that she's a sexy fox and queen of the gluttony ring... there's gonna be a bunch of crazy fan art of this, of a sort only those who know are gonna know about.
I really like that new character beelzebub in helluva boss series and I know she look link a bumblebee and hellhound because the real beelzebub is a real bumblebee it’s just because they are different characters and also I think beelzebub is good 😊 because share a lovely 🥰 treat to give them that make me think 🤔 she is good 😊 and I hope 🤞 if helluva boss gets more character of only three left for the seven prince of hell and I hope 🤞 it comes true ❤
*Binsfield's classification of demons* was part of his *"Treatise on Confessions by Evildoers and Witches"* published in 1589. The _Ars Goetia_ was a part of *"The Lesser Key of Solomon"* which was compiled in the mid 17th century and was likely inspired by the *"Pseudomonarchia Daemonum"* or *False Monarchy of Demons* which appeared in 1577 and is an appendix of *"De praestigiis daemonum"* (translated as *"On the Tricks of Demons"* ) published by Johann Weyer in 1563. So they're hardly "hundreds of years apart".
Has anyone noticed that in Gluttony the sky is covered with honeycombs? What if this is a huge glass dome that protects cities from unbearable heat? In Dante's comedy, this ring is described as a very hot place, so why not?
Maybe gluttony will be about how many products there able to sell to you just because it has Lucifer's name brand on it? Like Disney or something like that! Reminds me of Christmas where suddenly it's ok to waste a lot of money because of the Christmas spirit just an idea though for the circus idea btw! :3 -ray
I think Belphegor might be based on the bearded lady. Bee mentioned Belphegor was a 'she' and the Baphumet demons of Sloth might be modeled after her so she might have a goat look to her once we finally meet her.
I’m pretty sure the Lesser Key of Solomon was written based on the Holy Roman Empire, so it would make sense for the titles and estates to be as complicated as the human version. I also got the impression that the Goetia were like “old money” while the Seven Sins were, if not new blood, then at least willing to modernize. Case in point: Stolas using a rotary phone while the Sins have smartphone apps.
I like this circus theme, I wasn't aware of it. Now I'm curious to see where the freak show fits in. If we're going with the standards of old circuses, at least the ones that were in business for the longest amount of time usually included a freak show ...maybe sloth?
Maybe the goetia kings are disributed through different rings, and have there own different types of goetia like them (stoles and paimon birds) (asmodeous and his underlings may look closer to him and same goes for beelzebub)
Update:
It looks like the Seals of Beelzebub I had mixed up with a second different seal of Beelzebub, though Beelzebub's and Baal's seals are similar, this doesn't seem to confirm that she is a Goetia. with the rest of the evidence presented, and this seal being used instead of Beelzebub's more unique one, I Think this still makes it a very plausible theory.
Appreciate it when theorists update their theories when they get information wrong. Good job, Cartoon Universe 👍
can you talk about bojack horsema or unicorn worries eternal
*Thanks for the update on your video and admitting your honest mistake, Deep Cut from CartoonUniverse!* ;D *It takes courage, honesty ,and humility to admit their mistakes as well correct/learn from their mistakes and I purely 💯 % respect you for that!* *Hopefully we learn more info on Queen Bee-zleBub and other characters in both future seasons and episodes of Helluva Boss and Hazbin Hotel!* ;😉 😇
@@liblib620 we will definitely clarify the details in tomorrow's video as well!
@@علياحمد-ي9ث9ت I will talk about unicorn warriors eternal after its finale next week, and I don't know what else to say about Bojack Horseman that I didn't say in our giant 24 minute review of the entire series.
Belphagor could be a hypnotist. Keeping individuals in a trance with drugs. Keep in mind Bee was upset she couldn't break in cause the locks were changed
*Ooo, interesting theory, **#savagebear4374**!* ;D *Yeah, I was getting mental energy M.O. vibes as well as psychedelic /pharmaceutical drugs and liquid antipsychotics as themes in the Sloth- Ring in the world of Helluva Boss and Hazbin Hotel!* 🤗
He is also known to be an inventor . So maybe his house specifically is ultra high-tech. Maybe even have angelic weapons/traps in order to stop powerful demons, like Bee, from breaking into their house.
@@icarue993 maybe which would be pretty cool for a character type and it's interesting since Belphagor seems to be planned to also be a princess of hell by the way Bee-lzebub talked about her
Also according to Bee, Belphegor could also be a female. that line (not an accurate translation) "I tried going to sloth to raid some bel's Drugs, but she had the good stuff under lock and key"
Or Belphagor could be the medic for the performer who get injured and knows about drug he could just be casually providing to everyone else who wants or needs it
I hope Beelzebub stays “nice” instead of randomly flipping for no reason
I mean, there’s still the question surrounding the Hellhound adoption system.
@@hitekkaifighter1825 I think that's more negligence on Beelzebub's part than anything malicious. Bee is a party girl through and through, that's all she focuses on. Sure, she'll do her job, signing the adoption papers, but I doubt she has ever visited a single adoption agency to check the conditions.
Me too. It’s refreshing to see a character confident enough to openly “take care” of others openly and be good host material simply because she enjoys it, while everyone around her appreciates it but also implicitly understands she is not to be fucked with. It seems her “job” involves some sort of food-based manupulation tactics to get things done, suggested in her song, but as a person in her off-time, she seems to legit care about those around her. Very cool character and I hope she stays exactly as she is
To keep the conflicts from escalating to a point they would affect the hazbin hotel, I don't think any of the princes are going to go too far as antagonists. So they will most likely stay relatively nice.
What I am hoping for is an expansion on how each of how their nice image connects to some darker intentions. For example Ozzy spreads lust partly to catch key people in taboos then exploit them. Bee can be an empath that uses it to heighten her buzz at her parties and all of her social butterfly tendencies are just to keep people happy to keep her buzz high. I am actually convinced that her competition with blitz was just a ploy to get him pass out drunk and remove him from the party without disrupting the party.
*Same here! :D Vivziepop seems to be a brilliant, benevolent, intelligent, and mindful woman who prove that are benevolent hellhounds in mythology and lore!* :D *More love for Loona ,Crymini, andQueen Bee-zleBub for examples !* ^-^
I hope she continues to be a important characteristic and get more about hex's and her relationship.
I thought his name was Tex, but yeah I would love to see it expanded on too!
@@MossyPossumshis full name is Vortex but shortened Tex. Maybe autocorrect did what it usually does.
I so hope that we get to see more of that adorable couple. 😊
And see how they meet.
*Agreed!* :D I hope we see more of the benevolent hellhound princess of the Gluttony Ring in future seasons and episodes of Helluva Boss!* :D
doubt it given how shes voiced by kesha and i don't fucking know a kesha
Correct me if I am wrong but I don't think the show ever referred to the rulers of the seven rings as princes. Asmodeus was referred to as the embodiment of lust and Bee was referred to as the queen of gluttony. So it is possible that the show will give the 7 rulers different titles other than prince in order to avoid confusion with the princes of the Ars Goetia.
Especially since Asmodues is actually a king in the Ars Goetia
They use the title as princes as broad term. Especially when there's one who rules hell above all. It's easier then calling this powerful demon as "Queen of" or another demon as "Lord of"
I have a theory that Beelzebub isn't actually a fox at all and is actually fully insect like in her true form but has the ability to change her form like Paimon.
Maybe she adopts this form when partying with her Hellhound subjects to make them feel more comfortable and open to committing gluttony when she's around? Especially considering that hellhounds are used to being mistreated by upper class demons so it would make sense for Bee to change her form if the goal is to get them to loosen up.
That would be interesting, it would make sense
I enjoy her "sickly sweet" characterization. Obviously she's kind in some genuine ways, if she'll care about someone as distant as "boyfriend's best-friend's dad" which is refreshing, but it's also evident that despite the kindness she is still spreading gluttony and is actively encouraging massive amounts of alcohol and hallucinogenic addiction the entire party.
Gluttony eats the glutton, as they say.
Has anyone noticed that Bee calls Belphagor "she" so i guess shes not the only princess of hell. Bal could also be princess too.
Could Asmodeus have requested the best bodyguard for Verosika as a personal favor from Beelzebub, and that's how she got Vortex?
I wondered that myself, why would a prince's boyfriend be doing body guard work?
Could be. He did say he doesn't get paid enough to care about her personal beef, so he's really only there as a guard dog.
Would make sense. Gluttony and Lust are basically just two halves of the same thing - overindulgence- so they are probably close
Small theory, I wonder if Bee stays looking like a bee if the vibes/energy she absorbs from people are happy and positive, but looks like a fly when the vibes are negative and down. It may further explain why she's so sensitive to people who aren't having a genuinely good time at her parties like with Blitzo.
Beelzebub confirmed for BAAL
Say what?!😮
I'm your 33o lick on your V and your 25 lick on your comment
Pretty sure it's been outright stated that Baal is their own entity separate from Beelzebub, so I'll need a source.
Um Bee-lzebub said she couldn't get the party drugs because Baal changed the locks
*Really, now?*🤔 *Is Queen Bee-zleBub the benevolent hellhound princess of the Gluttony Ring in Helluva Boss in somewhat connected to Baal , an infamous and tabooed idol god of lust from ancient Bibilcal times in some ,shape or form? I mean , Queen Bee-zleBub did some sensuality to her personality and charm, but not as invasive or extreme as Asmodeus. I honestly don't know. Maybe Vivziepop will officially confirm or debunk this theory! But ,still, nevertheless, thanks for the new Helluva Boss video, Deep Cut from **#CartoonUniverse**!* ;D
Beelzebub being part foxs fits for me (even ghe potential ties to both Envy and Gluttony)
Foxes and Mythology and Religion in some instances are also infamous as Tricksters and somtimes Envious or Gluttonous
With one particularly bad case in the Story of "The investiture of the Gods"
Where one such Spirt became the Wife of a tyrannical emperor, and committed MANY horrible acts to both honor her deal with a goddess for divinity by helping set up the Emperors downfall, but also sate her own dark hunger and curiousity to the point the goddess wanted to back out of the deal from how much pleasure she took from her acts...
So her being Fun loving but deceptive Fits in many ways
Especially as a round about way of performing her Royal duties.
given their frequent showing, I wonder if Leviathan will have some connection to sea lion/seals, as they're common animal performers in circuses. But that might fall under Bee's animal trainer schtick. Leviathan could be like... hoaxes and fake cryptids like how circuses would claim to have mermaids. Whether as divers holding their breath, or taxidermied monstrosities like the Fiji Mermaid. We don't really have anyone to represent the Freak Show yet, but envy's emphasis on wealth and status makes me think that Leviathan is unlikely to be the Freak Show. But maybe that would fit Belphagor?
@@geoffreyrichards6079 I haven't been to too many circuses, but I don't recall thespian actors being part of the performance. Sword swallowers and fire eaters, maybe, but not actors.
Given that the apps seem to physically represent the 7 sins one way or another, the freak-show act would make sense for Leviathan, given that it seems to hint at that they have 2 heads, and since deep sea creatures tend to be more... characteristic than most other lifeforms this would also play into it.
Paimon seems to imply that in addition to bird demons, the goetia likely also includes multi-headed/dragon/serpents, ram/goat like demons, elephant like demons, and demons with floating heads
Could Beezlebub really be the Queen for Baal? That's pretty cool! Plus I sometimes wonder if Bee and Ozzie would interact, if they have then it could be interesting.😮🤔
*Deep Cut from **#CartoonUniverse** just gave us an update on this video. It was an honest mistake!* 🤗
Bee & Ozzie probably do interact, I mean...we know Bee has interacted with Belle & Satan before
@xxmension04xx47 *That's very likely. Although I honestly love/prefer Queen Bee-zleBub over Asmodeus any day for multiple good reasons, in my honest opinion and book.* 🤗
absolutely not...shes the Capital Sin of Gluttony...y'all need to pay attention fams.
@Ceriu *Again, gluttony is a venial sin ! Pretty sure Queen Bee-zleBub is good! You 're able to heal and recover from the Gluttony Ring and reverse obesity, metabolic syndrome, and eating /drinking disorders rather than recovering from STD and social fears from the Lust Ring , kleptomania and gambling from the Greed-Ring, bloodlust and rage at the Wrath Ring, insecurity and materialism in the Envy Ring, and sensory disorientation ,passivity ignorance,and depression in the Sloth Ring. Pride is a complex thing since it has both a light side and a dark side.* 🤗
DeepCut, I think there could be a misconception with the way that the seven princes are seen treated as royalty, they are far more like famous celebrities from hell. They don’t have actual command but are instead immensely popular within each of their respective rings.
In fact, their work is done by Goetia, but the supreme word in important matters is still for the princes, it makes sense because were told that Lucifer is not engaged in the management of Hell.
I keep hearing this, but is there some sort of source? Keep in mind Lucifer has tried to sue mammon and lost, and we do know he is king of all of hell with dominion over everything, so unless he's giving way to the other princes with some sort of royal claim to their territory it doesn't make sense that they'd be just famous people. Beelzebub says she considers Satan* like a brother even though he's not, indicating that they are seen as related probably because of their titles. they definitely have that celebrity quality to them, but it seems like they hold a specific title over their geographic area.
@@CartoonUniverseThat was Satan, not Lucifer. I get what you though.
Maybe its more of a governship, maybe they are demons of diffrents types who lucifer gave a ring to rule (could explain the overlap with asmodeus who is both a sin and ars goeatia, king)
Lucifer not only rules his own ring, but the entirety of hell. So I think it's safe to assume each prince does have complete rule of their rings but allow Goetia to run them. The Goetia are the managers, the princes are the CEOs
Hell's Circus:
Lucifer: Ringleader
Mammon: Clown
Asmodeus: Dancer
Leviathan: Water Act? (Seaworld anyone?)
Beelzebub: Animal Act
Satan: Strongman
Belphegor: Magician? (Only guess to this would be potion making = drug manufacturing)
Acrobat would also be something to consider as a classic circus act, though arguably Asmodeus could fit that role. Though Leviathan could also be an acrobat in a water medium like some kind of Hell version of Cirque du Soleil's "O" show.
Yeah I agree. Maybe for Leviathan she may be able to do the "escape the water tank act".
I would definitely like a more speculative video in the future. For example, if the von Eldrich family Is a newer family that rose to prominence What does that say for the other deities and hierarchies of cuthulu mythos?
There is also a lot of creative potential in the thirty six Decons of hell, essentially a demonic zodiac loosely related to the Goetia.
Also, Dante's inferno and a lot of theologian texts took from other mythologies and religions to downgrade or make fun of those cultures. If so, what are the likelihoods for the greco roman or Egyptian deities of the afterlife to be reproduced or re represented as a species in hell?
There is a lot to go into and it's a lot of fun theory crafting even if nothing comes out of it in the cannon.
@emanuelbaigorria3932 Where was that mentioned?
Because on the HH official wiki and reddit It doesn't say that they're sinners and the fact that the twins went to high school with charlie, which implies the age which sinners do not.
Also, overlords like Rosie have been confirmed to not be human sinners, so it's not an exclusive title like the royalty is.
I think it may be more likely that Bee is direct relative to Baal (like his or her daughter). Perhaps Bee inherited the position from Baal, as I think she come off as someone who is relatively young for someone that is running an entire circle of hell.
I really like how you can tell how beloved Bee is in Vivziepop's eyes, as compared to the designs of Asmodeus and Lucifer. Not to say that the design for Asmodeus isn't impressive (Lucifer's is a bit bland to be honest) it's very creative, but no other characters' design can hold a candle to Bee's. She's absolutely gorgeous and the lava lamp like aesthetics serve to make her all the more breathtaking. This is a character design that will easily command the attention of whatever room she's in, you couldn't imagine her being overlooked in a corner anywhere. It's obvious that Vivziepop went all out for this character for Kesha and that's so heartwarming to see her fanship being rewarded.
Maybe Belphegor might be inspired by fortune tellers and/or hypnotists, since those are the only things I could think of for her? She was mentioned by Bee to have party drugs and her app is called "Sleepy Pills".
Okay is it just me or why do the seven rings look like an ACTUAL rainbow when being in that order…🌈
It is. Its the exact arrangement of the light spectrum.
Roy G. Biv
Inside of every demon Is a ranbow
Due to the popularity of the show, its overtly LGBTQ+ themes and demonic mythos, I'm amazed there hasn't been backlash from the usual suspects. Not that I'm trying to throw meat to the bigots...it's like we're just cruising under the radar and nomming on our cotton candy.
We're all as gay as Hell.🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️
I think it's technically so that each color/ring blends seamlessly into the next tbh
I hope bee comes back in future episodes maybe something that’s focused on fleshing out the lore of the ars goetia. If that’s ever a plan. I just hope in time the hate for her design can blow over cause she doesn’t deserve the hate. She’s an amazing character and caring person and deserves all the love she deserves. I can’t wait to see who vivzipop casts as Lucifer when hazbin hotel finally releases.
*Agreed ,**#RaptorRed**! *Whether it's negative slander on Queen Bee-zleBub 's visage/physique or holding some unhealthy spite unfair judgment and lack of forgiveness towards Queen Bee-zleBub 's VA ,Ke$ha who did some questionable stuff in the past or something else of that ilk, I hope it blows over too ,my friend! And ,yes, I also purely 💯 % agree with you that Queen Bee-zleBub is an awesome, beautiful, spunky, and benevolent hellhound princess of the Gluttony Ring and I hope she returns in future seasons and episodes of Helluva Boss!* ;D
@@booksmartthealicorn3219 and keep her design. We don’t need to have her different just cause of fans hating the look. I love the look and I get constructive criticism but it’s her show. If she wants to make her a bug, fennec fox hybrid than that’s her business. You don’t hear complaints on the other characters in the show. Why start now?
@RaptorRed *Exactly! Agreed!:D I love Queen Bee-zleBub, both in personality / character and special abilities, as well as her physical from too!* :D *Like I said before, anyone with bad faith and/or any form of unrepentant negativity might end up becoming a sinner-demon in either the Pride Ring or the Envy Ring!* *Move love and respect for Vivziepop and the brilliant and talented Helluva Boss/Hazbin Hotel cast and crew please!* ;D 😇🌌❣️
@@booksmartthealicorn3219 and besides f people have a problem then simply do fan art of what you think it should look like but don’t change what we got just cause of a few haters. Plus if she did that she’ll please the haters but piss the ones who loved the original design and then the haters would’ve won while the lovers lose which could affect the love the show. Now I don’t mean don’t take constructive criticism cause that’s needed to improve, but if you have a vision on how your project wants too look then stick too it.
I really hope it ends up to be Markiplier. His low voice would be perfect for Lucifer.
The bird theme could be for the pride ring, because as you said they are mostly there. Asmodeus has less of a visible bird theme, so it could be mainly on Pride, therefore Baalzebub has a different theme because of the different ring.
Now I want to see belahegor, satan, and levithian in future episodes.
Leviathan is the Prince I am most looking forward to seeing. Envy is such a unique Sin because it can come in two forms, being envied or envious, and I hope Vivziepop plays into both with Leviathan being the 'second-best' of the Sins. I also think they'll be a pangender shape-shifter.
@@FallenOne669 I bet he looks a sea dragon with moody hair/emotions
Theres also the Interesting Fact that Asmodeus Guards the Sacred Treasures of King Solomon. meaning that Asmodeus could in fact have Sacred Relics like the Holy Grail or the Arc.
My prediction on Belphegor is that she is probably going to be a fortune teller or something like that. They are parts of circus performances and carnivals in general, plus magic/mysticism has sometimes been called as a kind of drug for the mind so it could be possible that Belphegor might play that role in the show. Also, magic has a connection with psychedelics so her being a fortune teller that provides satisfaction in the form of mystical drug essence kind of makes sense.
There's a chance this was the one and only episode we'll ever see this character, so credit where it's due to Kesha because she gave a damn good one-off performance 😊
Too bad she was only the speaking voice, would've been awesome if she could have sang the song she wrote too instead of Rochelle Diamante.
we might see bee again, except we'll likely get a striker situation where her VA is just replaced
When you mentioned that Andrealphus’ ice palace might be in the ninth circle of Hell which Dante describes as a frozen wasteland, I remembered that Dante wrote that the ninth circle was reserved for sinners guilty of treachery, be it against their country or those close to them. This further hints that he is going to betray Stella, either directly or indirectly by trying to hurt Octavia after being initially under the impression that he would help her achieve their goals in a way that would not harm Octavia.
i want to learn if or ever she'll introduce Azrael the angel of death, and the concept of the grim reaper where the earliest depiction happened during the black death
since I.M.P do solicited killing
I hope we see the other Princes. I wonder about something, though. If Beelzebub thinks her Hellhounds are like her worker bees making her honey, then what exactly does she take to make it out of and how does she make it?
I wonder this as well, and I’d really love to learn more about the Gluttony ring
@@pyro-millie5533 I'd also like to see what the other Princes look like. Maybe Leviathan looks like a humanoid fish creature that can turn into a giant sea serpent in a manner similar to the other Princes.
I should note that Beelzebub’s symbol, while similar to Bael’s, does have its slight differences in terms of design. Note how the bottom part of the design has a noticeably longer point that reaches the rim with an additional circle as opposed to the original. Assuming this isn’t just an error, this could imply that the two may be separate but somehow related.
In Hebrew baal also means husband and actually it's more commonly used as husband: in weddings the husband and wife are announced as " baal and isha".
But it also means owner in Hebrew so many in helluva boss baal will play a role as the owner of the hell hounds pounds...
But the tricky thing is that baal has even more meanings😅😅 but those two are the most commonly used to my knowledge
I feel like it makes more sense for beelzebub and Baal to be separate demons. Like how Lucifer and satan are separate demons, while some depictions show them as the same person.
Maybe, but the fact that baal's seal is being used by Beelzebub suggests otherwise
Except Lucifer and Satan have always been seperate entitys? Baal and Beelzebub are the same entity but then split off down the line, as mentioned in the video.
@@GoatMilkCookieNot exactly, because there is a Canaanite legend that mentions that Beelzebub is a fusion between two pagan Phoenician gods (Baal and Zebub).
its so nice that they'd include the Ram form and elephant for Paimon. Since Paimon is normally depicted as a Ram, and or goat.
I am genuinely curious as to where you heard þat.
I don’t mean to sound condescending, but every depiction of Paimon I’ve seen describes him as a man wiþ a woman’s face riding a dromedary, noþing about rams or goats at all.
Demonology has been a hobby of mine for a while, so I’d love to know where you heard þis, because I’d love to find a new source to look into!
@@claypigeon7063 The lesser key of Solomon, that's the depiction I got. Check it out, its a very neat read. It goes over I think? 72? demons? I forgot, lost the book.
@@segnen9765 Probably seventy-two, þæt seems to be þe general consensus as to how many Goetia demons exist. I’ll give it a read! It sounds fascinating!
Beelzebub being “Lord of the flies” makes sense. She is essentially the lord of the hell hounds, who are looked down apon as the lowest of the lows, or the flies that are not very important to others being beyond servants
@@artistanthony1007 it’s figurative
when you mentioned mammon slimming himself down...I think all of the princes do this, since Bee has a small form and Asmodeus also has his smaller form we see
so maybe all of them have a smaller form to hide in public when needed
So far, all of the Ars Goetia have been avian, and Vivzie went out of her way to make Asmodeus an avian demon including comparisons with Stolas in the design notes, so Beelzebub not being avian in any way would suggest that she and Baal will be separate characters.
So Beelzebub isn't a member of the Ars Goetia, it'll be Baal instead who takes the place as a king of the Ars Goetia.
8:00 They’re not summoning seals, but seals of allegiance, you summon the demon into a 6 pointed star and control it with a bronze object with the demon’s symbol engraved.
I just love how videos like this is clear up a lot of things and honestly makes it open to what Vivziepop is possibly thinking when she designs a character! A lot of people on Twitter were talking about how Beelzebub's design was basically a Kesha fursona but your video makes the theory of the Ars Goetia family possibly being different animal species instead and I love it!
It seems interesting the “Royal” side of each ruler of each ring of Hell as I seem to find it fascinating to discover more of each ruler. As I didn’t know that Queen Bee was a fox as I was feeling that she was a type of hound that has a bee complex. But seeing that she is a fox make loads of sense. 😄 so can’t wait to see if we get the appearance of Mammon as their face been showing around lately as just “Headshots” only throughout each episode that shine their appearance. So fingers crossed they look amazing and characteristics be unique in a way.
A little something that I find funny is that we all know the Stolas drawing (the one they based his design on) but in the Lesser key of Solomon he actually isn't described as an owl, but rather as a 'mighty raven'. So someone found a stash of drawings and a book and tried to match the Goetias with the pictures and probably couldn't find a raven, so he just took the owl drawing and called it a day. Or maybe they didn't know what a raven looked like idk. But it's fun to think about
Beelzebub and Bael/Baal are the same entity in judo-christian mythology, the word "Baal" meaning "Lord" in Hebrew, and Beelzebub meaning "Lord of the Flies'', also in Hebrew. However, judo-christian mythology is based on ancient egyptian and mesopotamian mythologies. In mesopotamian mythology, Dagon is the equivalent of Beelzebub for judo-christian mythology. And in that folklore, Dagon has a son named Bal. So, it could be concluded that, depending on the mythology and canon, Beelzebub and Bael could be the same exact demon, or two completely different demons. If Bael is separate from Beelzebub in Helluva Boss' head-canon, then she is not part of the Goetia, as her having a sigil/seal does not imply that she is a goetic demon. The majority of non-goetic demons in judo-christian mythology have sigils too. Lucifer has a chalice shaped sigil, and Leviathan has the famous "Leviathan's Cross'". All and all, Vizzie could be making her own head-canon, where Beelzebub and Bael are separate, but both part of the Goetia family. We will have to wait and see! :}
I hope the design of belphegore will be based on elephants, because the animal has several characteristics that could fit with the circle of sloth shown in the series.
First, elephants have the appearance of someone who is always tired (by their small eyes and wrinkled skin). moreover their trumpeting which resembles, with a little imagination, yawning and snoring. At this point we can also add the fact that elephants are, most of the time, quite slow animals.
Second, the elephants are very popular animals in circuses, which goes well with the theme of "circus hell". And although being an elephant can duplicate the animal trainer aspect of Beezlebut, in the last episode it is through the latter that we learn that Belphegore is a woman and they seem to be quite close .
Thridly, the medical aspect of the sloth ring can totally suit a demon elephant, because elephants in nature practice self-medication, they are long-lived (a trait usually with medical care), they are among animals the most intelligent, as said above they are slow (both physically and mentally, that's why they can be easily startled and frightened), and since elephants only sleep one or two hours a day I can easily imagine Belphegore having invented these pills against insomnia.
And fourth, their trunks, I mean if you assume that Belphegore will be a humanoid elephant, using only your nose to manipulate your environment when you have two functional arms might seem pretty lazy, right?
And as for her professions, I think (like many people in the comments) that she would be either a hypnotist or a Fakir (+ 2 points if the design is indeed an elephant because 1: Asian elephants are very used by man in India and shows and 2 elephants have a greater surface area for their feet to distribute their weight, which means that they sink less than humans in soft ground, and that is that same technique that helps the Fakir walked on nails) or an illusionist (although Levhiathan is an equally good candidate for the job, if not better).
I can see Belphegor being the freak show.
I don't know about anybody else but I kinda like Queen Bee's design as the design shows you don't
have to be over-weight when it comes to gluttony.
The gluttony thing could be being able to eat without getting full or anything.
Maybe Bee doesn’t have a bird design because she wasn’t born with the purpose of being a Goetia. Maybe she was adopted in for doing something of importance.
Beelzebub being a "fly disguised as a bee" sounds to me like a Hoverfly, a type of fly that mimicks the looks and even the behavior of bees and wasps as a form of camouflage to avoid potential predators by making them think they can sting.
I have never seen updated version of all rings, nativs and princes.
I had a hermit crab named Baal he was huge he was probably bigger than a soft ball. He was so friendly and would come right to you for snuggles. He was totally a gentle giant. I loved him so much and I miss him deeply.
It is possible that Belphegor will be sent to the fire show. Since in the finale of season 1, during the song, one of the dancers gave out a flame from behind her mouth. Probably on him, since I'm not sure that she will send magicians to the performance. It's so simple a couple of theories on what she or he may refer to in the future.
I speak Hebrew, Baal means owner (בעל), zebub translates to fly( זבוב), technically its owner of flies, not lord, however in old hebrew text owner is a word used to describe for example "lord of the house"( בעל בית), the word just refers to being an owner of something and that having higher power of some sorts. Husbands are also called by the same word!
i love when shows take inspiration from historical writings and something about the combination of that and the fact this show is so inappropriate makes it so fun
I think each of the seven Princes have their summoning seals just like the Goetia, since both Asmo and Bee have had theirs displayed. But Paimon and Stolas have seals as well, despite not being Sins but Goetia.
Þe seals are unique to þe Ars Goetia, while I’ve never seen a sigil specific to þe Sins. Bael/Beelzebub and Asmodai/Asmodeus are þe only demons - as far as I could find - to be boþ a Sin and a member of þe Ars Goetia, so I’m not sure what Vivzie’s plan is for þe rest of þe Sins, like Satan, Leviathan, and Belphegor.
The Sigel for Baal is very similar to Beelzebub, but there is a slight difference in appearance.
5:37 it's... IT'S A PRIDE FLAG OMG, I wonder if she did that on purpose?
Not only were the top demons royalty, they were deities as well.
Something I’ve wondered in terms of Lucifer ruling over the other 6 sins is if he has the ability to travel to other rings since he’s technically not a native to hell being a fallen angle and originating from heaven? I guess it would depend on if the whole sinners not being able to travel to other rings rule is like a law enforced by the rulers of hell or a natural part hell where it is physically impossible
I don't care what people say is "bad writing" or is just a bad show, I don't let that ruin my enjoyment. Every episode is still a fun ride, and it's interesting how the lore is inspired by real life demonology!
I’ve researched about Ba’al and Beezlebub months before this episode released and I even pointed out on my Instagram when it did release about the similarities between Beezlebub and Ba’al! But when I did it I did it in terms of polytheistic beings since Ba’al was the name of a bull headed god worshiped in Canaan who demanded live children sacrifices and Beezlebub was also a god from Palestine, but they were both classified as demons that was acquainted with each other
Now, I know Dante says 9 rings of hell, but Killjoy just says the 9 rings, which could refer to the seven circles, Earth and Heaven
A minor gripe in the grand scheme of things, but I don't really see the animal trainer if Bee's design at all (at the very least she's less circus like than Lucy and Ozzie.) To make matters worse, why is it animal trainer and not, oh I don't know, *sword swallower!* Come on her whole deal is eating things your not supposed to and that act was right there!!!
So glad they updated the rings graph
Beelzebub being furry but not canine like hellhounds definitely reminds me of MLP griffons: when they returned in season 5, a lot more creativity was put into their designs by making them any hybrid of cat and bird, instead of specifically Eagle and lion.
While we haven’t seen anything like that aside from comparing the queen of Gluttony to her subjects, it’d certainly be interesting to see in hellhounds. That said, Vivzie’s been killing it with even background character designs, so mixing other furry stuff in wouldn’t be necessary like it was for griffons.
Foxes are a subspecies of canines, so it makes sense for them to be included in hellhounds.
@@Blackjack42 Kinda figured that, but you know what I meant.
Calling Beelzebub BAAL is a bit like calling Ullr Odin when speaking on Norse mythology.
Odin is Wotan
(i'm waiting to watch the video I haven't seen it yet though) Baal was a god all on his own yes, beelzebub however from historical understanding is supposed to be play on said god made by christianity to mock it. Thus the jokes that Baal attracted flies thus beelzebub was the lord of the flies because bulls attract flies (much ado becasue of their defecation)
So in one way yes you can say the aren't the same, in another since christianity became dominant (and since we have leviathanin here who is ALSO not supposed to be a ruling demon of hell) you could say was taken in by christianity and instead adopted a form they saw as suitable ot fit in.
The point cartoon universe was trying to make is that both the ideas of demons named: Baal and Beelzebub is from christians/jews demonising and mocking the same god: Ba'al. Ba'al means lord and was used the name or title of a pagan god. Just like the godess Ishtar was in retellings by christians/jews twisted into Ashtaroth a demon. Ba'al was twisted into two demons Baal and Beelzebub so wizipop combined them back into the same entity since they were both originally slanders of the same entity.
Belphegor might be a mime? Or a sideshow of sorts? Since the sideshows were appearance oriented and there was little physical demand of them, most just kind of sat like paintings?
4:38 I highly disagree, dancing is pretty much guaranteed for all the sins who'll be singing their own songs, and dance isn't really that much of Asmodeus' focus. But considering the top hat, the fancy suit, the rooster tail looking like coattails, the smoke and mirrors, and the fact that Fizz kinda serves as a magician's assistant/white rabbit, Asmodeus is much more like the magician of the troupe rather than just a dancer.
Quick question, may sound dumb but I've had it in the back of my mind for a while
When confronting Stella, Stolas says the only purpose of their marriage was "To provide a precautionary heir for the Goetia family", however in the family dinner as well as in the flashback of Stolas' childhood, we see the Goetia family has tens of members. Why would they need another heir for?
I just love all the seals from each prince of hell even if they arent all called one in the show. The lore deepens and im here for it
I kind of knew that Baal and Beelzebub were the same Deity. Only because of me being a fan of the SMT series. Where demonology is very crucial. And they always connected Baal and Beelzebub together. Where Baal would be a Fusion component to make Beelzebub (or sometimes the other way around)
Other animal lineages in the Ars Goetia sounds fun, we've only been dealing with a small part of the nobility so it would be fun to see what Vivzie does next.
Guys I just realised that hell is designed like one of the baby toys
well in christian demonology baal is a demon but originally he was a warrior and storm god of the levant, he was basically the greatest foe against demons in his time
I can’t wait to see mammon next!
In my opinion it seems like your hiearchy theory of kings, princes etc. in the ars goetia might also apply to the different species that the ars goetia has. So for example despite both being kings, bee could be lower on the heirchy than paimon because she is similar to a hellhound (i know she is a fox but this is just my theory).
3:04, biology major here, while it is true that honeybees technically have four wings, they are extremely difficult to distinguish. In flight the primary and secondary wings hook together and function as single wing, moving in perfect sync so much so that you can’t tell them apart even when viewing in slow motion.
Is it possible you could bring up how belphagor also seems to be a princess? Because Bee referred to her as a “she” when talking about how bel put some sort of lock on party drugs
My question is if hellhounds are at the bottom of the social hierarchy then how the heck did vortex get a the QUEEN of gluttony to be his girlfriend?
it feels like the seven princes are just kinda pop stars in a way, like how we’ve seen mammon.
the fact that she's a sexy fox and queen of the gluttony ring... there's gonna be a bunch of crazy fan art of this, of a sort only those who know are gonna know about.
I really like that new character beelzebub in helluva boss series and I know she look link a bumblebee and hellhound because the real beelzebub is a real bumblebee it’s just because they are different characters and also I think beelzebub is good 😊 because share a lovely 🥰 treat to give them that make me think 🤔 she is good 😊 and I hope 🤞 if helluva boss gets more character of only three left for the seven prince of hell and I hope 🤞 it comes true ❤
I think that's bad news, because it would be great to see Baal as another demon. Meaby is just my opinion
ahhh youve got so many new vids coming out from the latest episode!! good work ^^
I mean, what if there is a Beelzebub seal? 🤨
The Lesser Key isn't the only place where sigils appear.
Dude do everything you want I will watch and love it
*Binsfield's classification of demons* was part of his *"Treatise on Confessions by Evildoers and Witches"* published in 1589. The _Ars Goetia_ was a part of *"The Lesser Key of Solomon"* which was compiled in the mid 17th century and was likely inspired by the *"Pseudomonarchia Daemonum"* or *False Monarchy of Demons* which appeared in 1577 and is an appendix of *"De praestigiis daemonum"* (translated as *"On the Tricks of Demons"* ) published by Johann Weyer in 1563.
So they're hardly "hundreds of years apart".
If leviathon does appear than we might see the behemoth also or he might be dead
We've seen Pride, Wraith, Lust, Greed, Sloth and Gluttony can't wait to see Envy and the other Lord's of Wraith, Sloth and Envy
Has anyone noticed that in Gluttony the sky is covered with honeycombs? What if this is a huge glass dome that protects cities from unbearable heat? In Dante's comedy, this ring is described as a very hot place, so why not?
Maybe gluttony will be about how many products there able to sell to you just because it has Lucifer's name brand on it? Like Disney or something like that! Reminds me of Christmas where suddenly it's ok to waste a lot of money because of the Christmas spirit just an idea though for the circus idea btw! :3 -ray
I think Belphegor might be based on the bearded lady. Bee mentioned Belphegor was a 'she' and the Baphumet demons of Sloth might be modeled after her so she might have a goat look to her once we finally meet her.
The lore just keeps growing 🛐
She’s perfect👌🏾😩
I’m pretty sure the Lesser Key of Solomon was written based on the Holy Roman Empire, so it would make sense for the titles and estates to be as complicated as the human version.
I also got the impression that the Goetia were like “old money” while the Seven Sins were, if not new blood, then at least willing to modernize. Case in point: Stolas using a rotary phone while the Sins have smartphone apps.
As a Genshin Impact fan hearing "Paimon" and "Baal" in another fandom I enjoy makes me short circuit.
I wonder where death it self fitts.(Is he a royal or something else).💀
I would have loved to see a demon named Diablo!
makes more sense for baal to be a cow or goat
I like this circus theme, I wasn't aware of it. Now I'm curious to see where the freak show fits in. If we're going with the standards of old circuses, at least the ones that were in business for the longest amount of time usually included a freak show ...maybe sloth?
I Kinda Feel Like Beelzebub Looks Like A Character From Another Show Made By Viziepop
Her design is based on JayJay from Zoophobia, which was also made by Vivzie.
Maybe the goetia kings are disributed through different rings, and have there own different types of goetia like them (stoles and paimon birds) (asmodeous and his underlings may look closer to him and same goes for beelzebub)