We NEED to Discuss the Autism Speaks Rebrand Attempt.: th-cam.com/video/qTQYubdlR24/w-d-xo.html It’s hard to believe Arielle’s video actually exists, but here we are… The memes playlist, as promised: th-cam.com/play/PLEHi2YmjD7gEssdqTn0247t_niQMt2b22.html Is it okay to armchair diagnose celebrities?: th-cam.com/video/6CfAni1BIME/w-d-xo.html Remember, it’s not easy being a leader 😂 If it wasn’t for Arielle’s thorough psych deep dives, where would we be? /s I’m so fed up of people being undermined because they are autistic. That genius stereotype just vanishes whenever it’s politically convenient 👀😅 As I say, I doubt I’ll react to her again. Sending you lots of love and see you soon! 💛💛💛🐌
I really appreciate the tone indicator, I just excitedly clicked on this video. And was throughly confused when I started reading your statement about Ariel. It all made sense once I read the “/s”😂 Thank you for the amazing content, as always! ✨💕
Thank you for that choice; content creators like her are deeply invested in the conflict model of "influencing" and benefit by any named reference to their nonsense, so we all benefit by denying them any attention.
This is definitely the first video I'm actively walking away from to go rewatch the Memes playlist : P Something about this kind of content creation, Arielle's stuff, just seems hateful and yearning to generate reactions. I think they're better to be left to squander without attention, but I get the want to address them. Maybe I'm just not up for it today.
@@knrdvmmlbkkn Autism is not a mental illness. It's a neurological disorder. An autistic person may or may not deal with mental health conditions like depression or anxiety, but managing those conditions does not remove autism.
@@knrdvmmlbkknDo you think autistic people are too dumb to know the difference between mental illness and the neurodevelopmental disability they are born with? Do you think I popped out of the womb flapping my hands and rocking back and forth because of a mental illness that could be treated with freaking Zoloft? Why do you respond passive aggressively when an autistic person WHO WAS BORN WITH THEIR CONDITION corrects someone on the basic facts? Do you consider cerebral palsy a mental illness too? God, why are allistics like this? You have these delusions of grandiosity about how you apparently know more about someone’s inborn conditions than they do. Maybe you’re the one who is mentally ill? How far do these delusions go? You should really talk to someone about this. :)
@@knrdvmmlbkkn you clearly didn't listen to the video. meg literally says that autism is a neurodevelopmental disorder, meaning our brains are wired differently from the majority of peoples. an illness is something that can be treated, such as anxiety and depression, while autism is lifelong and never changes.
That's pretty much the same of many LGBT conservatives, they refer to any LGBT person with different views to them using the "No true Scotsman" fallacy.
@hibouwolf571 my freaking BIL is doing that with his daughter right now, it's disgusting. Every time he starts with the "it may be what you want but you'll never really be" bullshit I get so mad, and all I can really do is just be there and be supportive for my niece.
Credible research would be…getting close to such creatures!!! Putting yourself in their environment!!! Safely engaging!! Not watching them with the 25c binoculars like “ew savages”
Like even actual “mental illness” deep dives. Like when people do documentaries on BPD, DID, schizophrenia…do you think ANY of them would be credible if they didnt interview actual people with the dx?? NO!!! That’s why THEY NEED SUBJECTS TO INTERVIEW AND SUCH!!!
“I’m autistic, so I fundamentally communicate differently and that may cause some misunderstandings” “Okay, so you don’t understand the world around you” “No, I’m asking for some patience because our brains work two different ways” “So you don’t know what words mean” She just doesn’t want to listen. She will only pick and choose to support her own narrative
@@EmotionalSupportChaosDemon That's why the neurodiversity paradigm is taking stand in the science community, according to the neurodiversity paradigm there is no ideal superior brain while in pathology there's the ideological 'normal' brain as the ideal which some now call "neuro-normativity". More and more scientists are beginning to see the concept of "normal" as mythology.
This comment reminds me of experiences where I've tried to explain things to extend understand Ing or empathy and also communicate with people what im planning to do or need preemptively so they arent confused or are less liekly to assume I'm avoiding work or being lazy. And they would respond as thought I was making excuses to avoid work or I was complaining about thing when all I'm doing is being like "hey I have adhd, dyslexia, and autism so I need to do things little differently to reach the same goal. I want to accomplish tasks well/fully so I need to take this approach bc it works better for me" A recent ex-manager literally said "Don't talk like that" as if I was sadly sharing news about a terminal diagnosis and how it would limit me. Like no sir I'm just telling you how I plan to approach the tasks you're asking of me so I can do them efficiently and effectively. In the most neutral way I can possibly communicate "hey I'm different"
Exactly this! She has proven more times than I count thar she is a truly hateful person who would happily slice off a microcosm of the LGBTQIA identity if it meant she could have her own ass covered. She's is a Serena Joy/Candace Owens/Blaire White type.
As a trans women I see this problem so much, the amount of anti-LGBTQ+ takes that start with, "as a gay man" are insane. Obviously its not just cis gay men but by god they're the worst about it
"youre being indoctrinated!" if this cult is all about kissing fat women with short hair and cargo pants snd cro ws feet Woah mmaybe i sohuld stop its gonna make me pass out
"He had a youtube channel and was obsessed with trains". That's way more healthier than being obsessed with making fun of others that are not hurting ANYONE. It's ironic how these people come with points that, when applied to themselves, they are like 100 times worse.
Girl, he could get a specialized job in public transport and spend his shifts doing what he loves. You'd have to get your own reality show to get paid for being an asshole.
I would rather hang out with the train guy than her. I don’t know much about trains, but I love when people explain their passions to me, as long as their passions are not exploitative.
Imagine being obsessed with bringing others down and speaking on something you don’t even have experience from (I know some people do speak on things they don’t experience and with proper research and such that can be a good thing but not the way some people do it, where they just say things)
Insisting autism is a disease is so wild. A computer isn't broken if it uses Linux instead of windows. To windows users, Linux is unfamiliar and difficult to work with. To Linux users windows would be limiting and frustrating. It's just different systems with different ways of working
"Nobody wants to be different" No Arielle, being different is wonderful and makes the world more beautiful. What nobody wants is to be treated like dirt for being different. It's very telling that she views difference as an inherent negative, almost like she's a conservative or something.
When I was younger, I was miserable because I hated that I was different (which was due to my ADHD, autism, being queer, and a POC in a place with predominantly white people) to most people and developed an obsession with being “normal”. However, I am so much happier now because I have accepted that I’m different and seek friends who are accepting of me rather than people I have to change myself around. The world would be miserable if every single person was the exact same.
Honestly she just SCREAMS immense self hatred and is projecting it on everyone. I genuinely hope she gets therapy. And is actually honest with her therapist cause LORD
Ye. Queer/weird basically just means unexpected, unusual, new, etc.. Tells you a lot about someone's personality and life experiences when they interpret that to mean 'bad'. And it especially tells you about their cognitive ability to deal with anything that isn't of the most basic and common occurrences. Novelty, complexity and detail are just beyond them. More and more, these days, I feel like intellectual capability should be displayed next to talking heads as they weigh in on important subjects. I'm all for the freedom to spread information to all who might be interested, but at the same time, this international village called the internet has created bigger and louder echo chambers for some pretty vile stuff. Hopefully history will prove that the more reasonable minds of humanity triumphs.
I've been in the hospital forbthr last 17 days because they're having a hard time nailing down what's wrong. I've been having a hard time understanding what the doctors are thinking and where they're going. They had the chief surgeon sit down with me in Friday to discuss my case. He commented on my Lilo sweatpants and I mentioned he was my autism mascot. I'm apparently not autistic because I have a mascot.
I'm also ftm trans and autistic. In my case, I was diagnosed w autism around 16 and realized I was trans about a year later. These two realizations are some of the best things to ever happen to me. The ASD diagnosis helped me to finally understand why I acted so differently than everyone else around me and now that I understand that, it gives me the ability to form real relationships. Then figuring out I was trans only made my life better because now I understand why my body didn't feel like it belonged to me. Now I'm almost 2 weeks post top surgery and I know surgery won't fix my anxiety or my depression, but let me tell you I SOBBED with joy upon seeing my flat chest when they took the medical dressings off. It's still looking a bit gross because the scars aren't done healing yet, but it's everything I could have hoped for.
congrats on your surgery, thats awesome! it really is incredible how it can already make a difference so early in the healing process. i remember being startled when i looked in the mirror after getting my dressings off, cuz i wasnt prepared to see my body and actually recognize it as me, for the first time, that soon after surgery. it's such an amazing and life-changing feeling. how is healing going?
I say tism to myself. I usually just say autism when talking to most people. I like saying WE ARE TISM BA BADA BUM BUM BUM BUM when I’m alone sometimes as I saw it in a TH-cam comment on a Reberrabon_bon video where she said “I am the tism” in a joking way when joking about feeling imposter syndrome in regards to being autistic only to see other autistics and be like “it me” 😁 now I can’t get the little parody jingle out of my brain as it lives there rent free Also “ballistic” is hilarious 💀
We're probably no more likely to be gay/trans than non autistic people, but we're probably more open about being different with ourselves/others. I think it's similar to other things like racism, if you don't care about social norms and stereotypes then quite often you have less biases.
100%. Also I'll add to this, the autistic trait of questioning and not understanding arbitrary social norms and gendering is a key part of what makes people nonbinary. It is natural for autistic people to be more likely to be nonbinary than the NT population because of this trait.
I believe it is true that transgender people _are_ disproportionately autistic according to the most recent data. The issue is that the response to that should be "Oh, how interesting, I wonder why that is," or "So what?" and not "...and therefore transgender people should not be taken seriously, they are confused autistics who don't understand how gender works, the poor dears. Let's withhold the means to transition from them in case they hurt themselves." The rate of overlap should not have any bearing on a person's agency and their ability to make decisions about their own body. The assumption Scarcella and others of her ilk make is that because autism is disproportionately represented among trans people, being trans should not be taken seriously; activities to support people to transition their gender are seen as "enabling" a "delusional" mindset. Of course, these people are ableists and they think autism is a mental illness. In fact, there is considerable overlap between support for a cure for autism, and support for banning gender transition for prepubescent children. To be trans is an aberration. To be autistic is an aberration. And in many cases, when both are present in a person, the solution many people see is that this aberration should be corrected by force.
There is a six times (averaged) increase in autism in the sample of trans people across many studies. That doesn't necessarily mean thst the reverse is true, just thst they are correlated. Also the rates of both phenomena are different (i think the highest estimates of trans people in generalized population is 1.5% and autism is currently just under 3%, with both rising due to awareness and education meaning more observed people). Plus even then it's s correlation not a causality and it's more likely it says something about the socio-cultural construct of gender than neurotype.
This woman keeps going on and on, like "you are not gay, and you also not gay, and no one is gay", and I don't understand. Who is gay then? Is she the only gay person in the entire world? That must be lonely.
Same with blaire white calling every trans women a man and when someone from her bully group treats her the same way she acts surprised like you are trying to be like the bullies while you are exactly what they go after stop acting so surprised all the time
I guess you're only gay if you're cis and neurotypical? Honestly Arielle just seems like a massive biggot who hates the neurodivergent, and especially hates trans people, it's her entirel personality at this point. And this isn't the first video she's made trying to blame being trans on another condition, here it's autism, but she also did one saying all trans people just have bpd. So which is it Arielle? Are trans people autistics who've been tricked, or borderline people who you call crazy? Also, if you have all these things you're blaming being trans on which are mutually exclusive, seems like the simpler and more likely explanation is trans people are just trans, and like cis people some of them can be neurodivergent or have mental disorders, neither of which invalidate being trans.
In another video, Arielle says that she's been to most states and says she doesnt experiance homophobia. Hmmm, I wonder, maybe its cause your so straight passing hmmm??? So what counts as gay or queer then? She thinks that you can only be queer if you "dont make it your whole personality" Its like people who say "You can be gay but not to my face" Thats what she's freaking thinking
The thing about Arielle is she is the same type of person to say “being LGBT is not a personality trait” but then sees someone who is trans or non-binary, has a taste in alt/punk/goth fashion, is a leftist, generally just kindhearted and would not hurt a fly, has multifaceted identities, or an amalgamation of all of them, she goes off on a rant that they are “not gay enough” or are “too gay to be normal” while also diagnosing people as having some kind of mental illness. I’m not even kidding about that last one, she literally said that if you are a queer you must have BPD and therefore you are a terrible person that you should be ashamed of yourself for having something that you have no control over. And then says “oh I’m not a doctor or therapist. I’m just doing research” 💀 like bro if you’re not doctor or therapist don’t diagnose strangers with mental illnesses and disorders that you don’t have the knowledge of.💀
"Obsessed with their oddness" Yeah try going through life having it constantly being pointed out by "normal" people (who are also seemingly obsessed by it) and not becoming obsessed with it either to mask or embrace it
As if they’re some clone army and there’s just us few weirdos out here being weird on purpose… genetic variation within a species is healthy! No two people are just alike, even identical twins! 👯
Her mocking voices gives off a lot of similarities to some of the high school bullies that I had to contend with. The sort of people who would dismiss anything you say with a mocking laugh and expect others around them to join in.
That's the entire Republican Party and similar right-wingers in other countries now. They used to be the boring, wealthy, educated, upper-class, posh party. Now they're just crass bullies trying to "trigger the libs".
to quote a wise teacher who once heard me explain this precise argument to him: "someone saying you can't possibly be capable of determining whether or not you're trans and/or queer just because you're autistic is just as absurd as claiming being autistic makes you incapable of determining whether or not you like apple pie. it's nonsense. neither of those two things are correlated, and even if they somehow were, correlation is not causation."
that conversation with my teacher was years and years ago. i'm sad to see it's a rare conclusion to reach these days. sending all trans &/or queer autistic & disabled folks lots and lots of love. you get to decide who you are, always. a diagnosis cannot & does not magically supersede your human right to bodily autonomy & self-determination. it never will. you deserve the world and more.
Exactly!! Autistic people can decide who they are and what they like, we have autonomy and if we want to go to college or transition we should be allowed to do that because we have the same rights.
I feel like a lot of people just hear that autistic people can be social inept and automatically assume that means they can’t understand ANY social cues. Then if they don’t bully you for it or make fun of you behind your back, they’re treating you like a toddler. Bro, even a toddler knows what this means:😭
I'm an autistic and am 100% able to tell that living my life as a man was unbearable and living as a woman my mental health and basic happiness are a million times better. There's nothing to be confused by. I could barely get out of bed before. Now I'm more functional on basically every level even in spite of a lot of trauma from family and external sources as a result. I know a lot of queer and trans autistic people and none of them seem unable to tell what makes them happy. They all seem to get healthier after coming out cause we do seem to know how we feel.
I feel the same way but I’m FTM andddddd even if I wasn’t trans I’d want my baby making capability out of my body bc my periods are unbearable, and I’d want top surgery bc my chest has ALWAYS been uncomfortable for me, the way they jiggle and the way they feel, they are absolutely awful, and I also have extremely sensitive skin so even bras that women swear by for being “super comfortable” are NOT comfortable for me. Also!! I had non-binary and masc/queer feelings when I was a TEEN and guess what, I didn’t even know I was autistic until 3 years ago when I was 20…. So all those stupid stereotypes of “autistic ppl are like oh maybe I’m lgbtqia because I’m autistic” I have NEVER heard of that, and if anything then once I turned 18 then I suppressed my trans masc feelings for like SIX years… I tried so hard to be a “proud woman” and like my body, but I’ve never liked my body, not when I was skinny, not when I was fat, and not now as average, because of my chest and curves. I even had an ed at 16-18 and wanted to be very skinny bc I thought it would make me happy but it didn’t, so I just came out as trans to my friends in march and I’ve been so happy since being referred to as he/him. And last year I was basically indoctrinated by the right wing side but then I started questioning it again and being like… y’know I still have the same issues and the right wing side seems to think autism isn’t real. So I’ve went full circle, from hardcore liberal to republicans and back to being liberal. And I know myself and I know you do too. Also I just heard her talk about being brainwashed it’s so absurd, I know who I am and I suppressed my feelings all my adult life until now. I’m happier than I’ve ever been. No one knows you better than you know yourself lmao. It’s insane how other people think they have a right to tell you who you actually are when you’re the only one who knows who you truly are. ❤️🧡💛💚💙💜
@@cheesypastel life is hard when you're trans. You're a badass for making it this far. It will never be easy and there will be low points but it mostly gets better from here.
Absolutely. I am trans and autistic. Getting bottom surgery over 6 years ago made my life much better. It got rid of most of my dysphoria. It's one less layer of BS I have to deal with. Dysphoria and autism at the same time is not fun.
“As we know autism is not a mental illness, your brain has developed differently but it doesn’t mean that your brain has developed defectively or stupidly.” I think this healed something inside of me.
Autism is a neurodevelopmental disorder, not just a brain difference. It’s a disability. I’m autistic, so dont call me an ableist. When a 10 year old hasn’t said their first word or a 20 year old can’t shower on their own, it’s a disability. Even if someone is high functioning but it affects their social life, it’s a disability. There’s nothing wrong with being disabled. Plus half of autistic people have a learning disability, it’s literally not just a brain “difference”, it’s a disorder that affects peoples livelihoods to different degrees. Autism can be detrimental. There are adults who are bathed by their parents and just rock back and forth and make noises, it’s very sad. Autism is not a superpower.
The other hilarious thing about her claims of "autistic people just want to join the community to feel accepted" is, you can just hang out with lgbt+ people while being an ally. I did that in highschool before I knew I was bi. You can just go " i'm straight/cis and I hang out with lgbt+ people cause they're nice". You literally don't need to sneak in
yeah.. it's extremely uncommon to find a group of queer/LGBT+ friends who shuns straight ppl lol. the vast majority just like good company and will welcome anyone who isn't horrendously ignorant or judgemental of them.
just goes to show how difficult it is for them to comprehend us as human beings, just like them and everyone else. Like they can't comprehend not having an ingroup and outgroup
Gender is connected to brain (like who do you feel you are instead of chromosomes, hormones and genitals), and autistic people have "different brains" so it totally might be connected. I just never had this sense of gender so I identify as agender. I don't feel womanhood inside me. I don't feel I'm a guy either. Maybe our logical brains just hate gender roles and we realize we don't know what the heck feeling like a man/woman actually is cause the gender stereotypes are bs, and we've always been different from other boys/girls.
@imautisticnowwhat Considering how a lot of grifters do just make like 10 videos back to back, then space out the uploads and don't do anything for a solid week in between, that's probably actually pretty accurate lol
"I try so hard to explain to people how my autism makes me not understand social cues, and then they get mad at me for being different. This makes me extremely upset." "See? Being forced to be gay is so harmful!"
@@spongecakes1986Yep. They literally haven't even mentioned being queer once (in the footage that was shown at least), let alone that this was a reason for their problems. Just wild that she then still jumped to the 'miserable because queer' conclusion instead of the actually mentioned communication issue. What's even more ironic is that the person in the video is basically talking about communication issues with allistic people and them not being clear and there being misunderstandings because of different communication styles between autistic and allistic people and what does this allistic person do? Exactly what the video is talking about: creating more miscommunication and misunderstanding, literally proving the point of the video maker. 🤷♀️🤦♀️
The person crying, because they’re tired of being misunderstood, being actively misunderstood by Arielle is almost… poetic. The fact that they were so explicit about what made them upset makes it seem like Arielle genuinely believes that they’re not capable of understanding their own feelings. “Oh, honey…. you’re not misunderstood. You’re just not queer. And I know that because I’m gay and every gay person is exactly like me! Oh and I have infinite knowledge of the universe…. I’m making a complete what of myself? THE most embarrassing thing you’ve ever seen?”
And the weird ass mocking voices she makes, its like she thinks all autistic individuals are stupid and its just so fucking rude and insensetive. "Your calling me insensetive? Well your the one acting emotional over facts!" I can hear her saying.
Arielle seems to think that because we often can't read between the lines, that means we can't understand complex and abstract concepts like queerness or transness but we definitely can.
I think its more on the lines of "odd birds flock together". Autistic people kept trying to be accepted by society, the same way queer people did. Neither were accepted and decided to flock together.
@@G.D.G.while she does seem to think that (albeit in a more "weird INDOCTRINATED weird" than "we're both weird let's stick together"), she also directly implies that because autistic people struggle with social cues, we don't actually understand what "queer" means.
By extending her logic, since she doesn't seem to be able to grasp relatively simple concepts - like what a mental illness is, what the context of the video she's using is, or what the poll she quotes is about - I assume she doesn't think she herself can decide whether she's lgbtqia+ herself either? /hj
It's always so depressing when there's someone who is themselves part of a minority and probably has experienced bullying and unfair treatment in their life, and then they turn around and start bullying people they perceive as inferior.
Unfortunately that's how it works sometimes. When the oppressed becomes the oppressor. Or the abused becomes the abuser. That's because they didn't learn anything else. They have never been accepted for who they are so they turn the table and do not accept others they perceive as inferior. She needs a few sessions with psychotherapist. I think she has never accepted being LGBTQ+ so she doesn't accept it in others, especially if the come from a different group of people. Self acceptance is liberating.
For Arielle to say in one sentence "autistic people get hyper-obsessed with topics and know everything about them" straight into "but autistic don't know what 'queer' means" is just wild to me. Like, Arielle, are you not even listening to yourself? How does that makes sense in your brain?
As a parent of two autistic teens, i fricking hate people who infantilise autistic people and undermine their feelings and opinions. I have had a few discussions on sexuality with my older son ( he is over 18) and he has come to the conclusion that he is Asexual as he doesn't find any one atractive ,and i have said that i love him no matter what and have no issues with whatever sexuality he is. Our younger teen isn't at the age / maturity level to discuss things as deeply as his brother can but we have had chats about" caring" feelings and getting consent from people who you would like to hug or kiss and not invading people's personal space .
You know Arielle is not Autistic and more importantly, does not understand Autistic traits, when she tries to read between lines, switch the words around, and drags out a whole new meaning to “Autistic people tend to be …” We are Autistic, we say exactly what we mean.
Omg this. I struggle employing *sarcasm* into my conversations (I'm pretty sure I overplay the sarcastic tone every time, yet still get anxious if they understood I'm being sarcastic when they don't respond in an obvious manner), let alone some weird between-the-lines stuff. If I state something, it's exactly what I mean. If I didn't mention some subtle nuance, I probably didn't mean it.
@@nataliaborys1554Exactly. I have lots of good words, myself. I use them with precision to say exactly what I mean. Why would I use inexact words, increasing the odds of being misunderstood? Because I should assume other adults have a fourth-grade vocabulary? Seems kind of rude and condescending, assuming other adults have childishly limited vocabularies… 🤔
Does Arielle think that the louder and more grating/mocking her voice gets, the more believable she sounds? Not for me. The girl who was so upset, who was trying so fcuking hard, was genuine, real, authentic. I totally connected with her pain. It brought so much up & I cried for her & along with her, I felt her pain . Arielle Scarcella's hideous yakkity-tak diatribe made me think......, Sometimes the diagnosis is simply Asshole. Thanks as always for your content Meghan. 💌
I was not familiar with Arielle prior to this video, but it took me less than three minutes to come to the conclusion that this is not a person whose opinion I would ever care about in the least.
Sorry you had to diminish the worth of your existence with knowledge of hers. I unfortunately watched her fall into TERFdom, and seeing her going at us autistic folk too comes as no surprise considering her hatefulness
Oh if you look into her history you'd feel that way even more. So before she "left the left" she found a group of trans minors online and she brain washed and manipulated them to such a degree they were all deeply traumatized. It took them years to realize they were being abused. And worse still, we all watched it happen! I was following these guys and a girl at the time and I was shocked when they started talking about their "TH-cam friend". She actually came to visit them! She was a woman in her... 30s I believe. They were all minors, literally not even 18 when she "befriended" them. I remember feeling really confused because my gut feeling was "this is so wrong and I don't like her" but I couldn't really give a logical reason. Because well, it happens, older people can become friends with younger people. I work with people half my age and we are getting on great. But like, it still felt too weird. And then she came to visit and I'm sorry but I would never allowed my teenager to hang out with some adult stranger. It was during that visit that I unsubbed from her because she was.... one giant red flag. For example, she'd be so passive aggressive, especially towards the trans girl and the longer Arielle stayed the less we saw of that girl and she just seemed more and more depressed. She stopped talking really because every time she'd say something Arielle would shut her down (and pretend to be all sweet, like "Oh just kidding, he he"). She was isolating them in real time, separating the group, saying incredibly mean things and gas lighting them into thinking they were too sensitive if they got offended. Finally, one of the kids turned 18. And what did she do first? Oh she persuaded him to make a video of him actually showing her HIS GENITALS!!! For "scientific purposes". I swear I still have trauma from these videos. He was so absolutely uncomfortable and yet she was pushing and manipulating.... Finally, the guy just disappeared one day. For like a year. And after a year he posted a lengthy video about her and how abusive and manipulative she is and the mental trauma it caused him. I don't hate anyone as much as I hate her. Out of all the conservatives she truly is the most disgusting. And nobody could ever prove to me she is not a pedo. She is.
I'd rather society had a hyperfixation on trains than indoctrinating our children into believing they are trans. It might help the damn things run on time (trains, that is).
A lot of people do and I feel sorry for them and hope they find peace within their lifetime. It just doesn’t make sense that people who are content with themselves and their lives would feel a need to drag people down and sure, humans aren’t exactly logical beings, but even then wallowing in hate brings misery into your own life so you might make yourself unhappy if you didn’t start out that way by inviting this kind of negativity and people might also be stupid, but probably not stupid enough to decide to hate life if they don’t feel unhappy to begin with. I mean if you have a choice to be happy, why’d you go-no, I don’t want to be happy, I’m going to be a beacon of misery 🤨
I know exactly what you mean! Years ago I really liked Arielle‘s content and than just a few weeks ago I remembered her and decided to check on what she posts today and I was literally shocked about all the misinformation she spreads about such important topics 😢 I saw a video where she does similar things with Borderline Personality Disorder and seeing her completely butchering the diagnosis and stigmatizing a whole group of people is just wild to me, it literally breaks my heart 💔 Thank you so much for speaking up! 🙏🏻
Ayyy fellow PhilosophyTube fan!! Thanks for commenting this, you reminded me that I’ve got her most recent video saved in my Watch Later list. Getting that queued up next!
Haven't watched it yet (older sibling was visiting their girlfriend and I was waiting for them) but will probably watch tomorrow. Know one of her patrons, she said it's really good.
My psychological deep dive: Arielle isn't comfortable with being different and tries not to seem that way, so she's angry at those who are because they make her feel deficient.
She's miserable because she is unimportant and she knows it at the depths of her being. That is why her content is all about stracking anyone who is more present than her. She has nothing else. I daresay she is a sad that being a lesbian in this modern era is so chill because it's what she hung her whole personhood on. It's telling in the way she goes for trans people just living their lives as an affront to her solo characteristic
Arielle started these types of videos because powerful people in the LGTBQ Scene pushed her out because she insisted on not being attracted to penises as a lesbian.
@@anniestumpy9918I mean it’s a logical conclusion to come to. She says constantly that nobody wants to be weird or different, which is simply not true at all. She’s constantly saying things like that, which makes it clear that in her opinion, she doesn’t want to be different as being different is “bad”. She’s clearly projecting onto other LGBTQ+ people.
I love the whole "it's a choice" implication in all this. Like yep being attracted to just women was too easy for my autistic brain, I needed more social queues and norms to barely understand so I picked up being bi
I love imagining the people saying that "it's a choice" just *choosing* to be queer for a day. It should be easy to switch back, right? Where's the risk?
I had a discussion with a homophobe, who also had so much internalized misogyny that I don't know how she functions. She kept going on about sexuality being a chooce and all that, so I asked her when she chose to be straight, and she actually answered sincerely. She told me about a woman she was with briefly and how she decided she didn't want that when she overheard her deeply bigoted father saying nasty things about her being gay because she was a tomboy. He didn't actually know she'd been seeing a girl. He just decided a girl who likes sports= bad and lesbian. She said she chose to be straight after that, and I felt incredibly sad for her. It doesn't excuse the rancid thing she's said or her complete denial about the existence of bisexuality, but it really explains a lot. She has a particular disdain for lesbians and it stems from her father's misogyny and homophobia and her falling into the worst of evangelical christianity. It seems like a lot of the "It's a choice" crowd might be bi and choosing to suppress part of their sexuality.
@science_bear I'm sorry, but I don't understand the question. Are you asking if being phobic towards gay people is a normal action from bisexual people? I don't know people who are openly bi that are phobic towards others in the lgbtq+ community. I think that some people who are too full of self hate will lash out at those who embrace their identity and live life without denying themselves. I'm not quite sure I interpreted your question right though.
@science_bear I'm so sorry that happened to you. My experiences with dating other bisexual people has been mostly positive, but I've been involved with more women and had worse experiences with straight men, but I'm not going to presume to invalidate your experiences. Honestly, I'm mostly celibate these days after some traumatic experiences and I know that there are bad people in every community. I hope that you're healing from what your abusive ex put you through. You deserve better and to be cherished, whether it's through romantic or platonic relationships.
Lol, I'm 60 and queer has meant queer for as long as I can remember. I mean technically it means weird, when used in literature etc. but its been a slang term for gay/trans etc for decades.
I feel like originally the point a lot of people made was a lot of autistic KIDS are easily influenced. And yes, kids in general. KIDS ARE EASILY INFLUENCED IN GENERAL. but acting like GROWN ADULTS can't understand their own sexuality is so stupid. Come on, we aren't talking about 12 year olds here. A 25 year old autistic woman who enjoys sleeping with women can know she's gay. and autistic people can consent.
@@draalttom844 yeah what I mean is in general kids are easily influenced in everything. and yeah kids can know that they're gay. sexuality can change and shift as you get older and kids who thought they were gay could be bi and kids who thought they were bi could be gay and etc. I've liked girls since I was 5. Kids can know what crushes they have for sure, I didn't know that girls could like girls but i liked them anyway.
Autistic people are more trusting, which makes them more easily manipulated and tend to fall for scams and manipulative partners and exploitative "friends". There's just no cult of the gays trying to convince everyone to turn gay. That's just not a thing. There's not a lot of money in it compared to, idk, starting a church.
My worry with a lot of this is that non-diagnosed autistic teenagers probably feel like there's *something* different about themselves, and they can be pressured into the wrong conclusions by bad actors. But obviously the correct response to this would be open-minded affirming care that supports the person until they're able to draw their own conclusions.
@@Maryaminx for sure. before i was diagnosed i wouldn't do that with lgbt because i didn't know about it, but I would google every neurological condition i could find to try to explain what I had. now I know i'm autistic and bisexual.
As an autistic queer person, I never really had an innate sense of gender to begin with. I always felt disconnected from gender roles because I didn't care about social norms. I just feel much more comfortable as a androgynous/masc person now.
Same, I'm Bisexual and autistic and I learned I liked girls before I got diagnosed. I don't think I'm Bi because I can't read social cues💀. I think Arielle was generalizing because it's not impossible to think your queer if you really just don't fit in but that isn't every autistic queer persons feelings
Arielle acting like the current definition of the word queer is this super recent thing when people have been using "We're here, we're queer" as a slogan longer than she's been alive. Is she incredibly ignorant of the topics she discusses or a disingenuous grifter knowingly spreading misinformation? I vote both.
When Arielle makes her argument about how "the autism came first" and "did they just say the quiet part out loud", she is implying that "transgenderism" (her words not mine) is a brain disorder like ASD. The extreme transphobes like to use made up medical-sounding diagnoses like "autogynephilia" (AGP) or "rapid onset gender dysphoria" (ROGD). Like Meg and Jenna both point out, Arielle seems to ignore that a significantly more plausible explanation for the correlation between autism and LGBT (including trans) is that many autistic people have difficulty accepting social constructs and cultural norms at face value, so we have an easier time dismissing things like traditional gender roles. (Edit to add: To be clear, I'm not saying that being LGBT is a choice. What I'm saying is that like many people, I think the correlation between autism and LGBT is more likely to do with the way social norms and stigmas hold less weight for us, so we more easily accept people (including ourselves) for who they are regardless of social pressure to conform.)
On your last bit ("difficulty accepting social constructs and cultural norms at face value"), I would say that it's more like fundamental differences in processing. Difficulty implies it's a 'lack of' skill or what have you, which seems to be only partially true. The foundation, however, is processing and that's far far harder to really understand because on some level, it's impossible. Someone who isn't colorblind can't really understand the experience of someone who is or vice versa, because it's not really about lacking language or definition of some/all colors. Someone can learn to identify situations where colors they can't see might be a problem and raise a warning flag, but that doesn't mean they're seeing those colors. It just means they recognize that there's a more accurate response required.
Honestly, it’s her use of these phrases (and “gaslighting” later) that makes me think she really is just baiting and trolling for views, because otherwise they’re completely nonsensical.
As I read that, your hypothesis could only be valid if you believe that sexual orientation and gender identity are just things people choose arbitrarily in order to conform with their neighbors. This certainly runs counter to what LGBT -- and straight -- people will say, and everyone LGBT I have gotten to know, has struggled because they were gay or had gender dysphoria. They didn't choose it for convenience.
Also, one of the things my older sisters have a problem with is the "social contagion" in ONLY the younger generations. But, if you think about it, doesn't it kind of make sense? If being autistic and queer are so connected or correlated enough, and autism is semi-genetic, it would make sense that the younger generation is just naturally 'more queer', no? And ofc, being autistic doesn't make you queer (or vice versa), but there's still obviously a correlation.
@@barrydworak i belive he meant that autistic people won't try be straight or pretend to be cis as much to fit in. Autistic people wouldn't be choosing their sexualaty or gender but might just not hide it or explore it more then neurotypical people. Thats how i understood it
You know what... I'm tired of hiding it. Arielle is correct. I am single handedly turning the world gayer and gayer and gayer, by virtue of being gay and participating in the community. /JK
honestly though, the WORST thing about Arielle imo is how she often uses clips of people OBVIOUSLY in distress to fuel her own agenda. Like, ma'am... Give those people a MODICUM of respect, PLEASE
A trait of autism is being non-judgmental, or a tendency to be non-judgmental. Why would that not carry into sexuality? My son is autistic, he has no preference. I’m autistic, neither do I. What difference does gender really make in a heart bound relationship? I had an autistic uncle, he was non-sexual. I have two other sons on the spectrum, they aren’t looking for relationships. Is it the autism or the generation they belong to? I don’t know. Does it really matter? Just for clarity, these are all “high functioning” autists capable of masking their autism successfully. Except for the uncle, he was clearly neurodivergent by his temperament.
Yet, my brother is autistic and he is 100% gay and he does not find the body of a woman attractive in any way. I have an autistic female friend who is heterosexual and has never been aroused by the body of a woman. Sure, they both are absolutely non-judgemental, and my brother for example used to have a sentimental crush on a woman when he was a teen. But they are not asexual and they want to be in a relationship with someone they can have sex with, meaning being in a relationship with a woman is, for both of them, absolutely not possible. It's not because you're open-minded that suddenly there is no limits anymore to your attractions and desires.
I think you may just have a queer family that's also autistic. Plenty of autistic people have gender preferences, and plenty of us are judgemental. Personally, I don't care about gender because I'm ace, not because I'm autistic, and yes, I'm judgemental as hell, I just judge things people have control over as opposed to things out of their control.
Your family sounds lovely!! And just fyi, functioning labels aren't really used anymore as they aren't regarded as accurate. "High masking" would probably be more of the word to use for the other family members besides the uncle. 👍
I was talking about being judgmental and getting all up into other people’s business about sexual preference or identity. Not that autistic people can’t have preferences. I’m speaking about my experiences, not anyone else’s. There are many in the autistic community that know what I’m trying to say and/or can identify with it.
God forbid I be trans and autistic. I’m seriously just trying to make it through this year. I should be allowed to exist. Everyone should be allowed to exist.
I have had to deal with similar garage being aro ace and agender while daring to be *gasp* autistic. A lot of people say my autism is the reason I'm "confused" or "sexless", or that labeling as aro ace is just a cope because no one wants to date an autistic person and so much more. It's just gross that people care so damn much about me not wanting sex or a relationship that they feel the need to analyze and explain my feelings to me.
as a trans autistic man the crossover of infantilization of autism and afab people really screws me over, everyone acts like i'm too disabled to understand my gender, and that because i'm afab i'm just a manipulated little girl tricked by the scary transes... despite me being an adult in my 20s
autistic people in my experience are more self-aware than allistic people. it just seems that we're dumb because of trouble expressing ourselves and also because of stereotypes and ableism
oh dude, I always feel I'm treated as a teenager (I'm 34 lol). is it because autistic people are less conforming? no makeup, comfy clothes, maybe I look younger but it's really bad for my mental well being to be treated like I'm not fully adult yet. It happens too often, is it my face, the way I walk or act?
I’m AFAB and I currently identify with gender-fluidity, and I get this ALL THE TIME when it comes to my masculine presentation. How I’m reinforcing the patriarchy (somehow????), how I’m just small and insecure in my feminity, how I can’t really know myself and other people somehow know me better than I do. It’s so frustrating, especially coming from my own parents when I tried coming out to them. I’ve since told them that I’m not queer, just to stay safe until I can finally leave (would have left sooner if the economy isn’t what it is)
This video made me cry because I was bullied and a gay autistic kid, now I'm 21 and gay and still autistic and it hasn't faded it won't fade. You can't just pretend Arielle. Thank you for the video Meg
It may fade more with time, you have so much life to live and grow and heal. Arielle is a bully; it's totally understandable why the video was so upsetting for you to watch. There are so many good people out there though; find them and ignore horrible people like Arielle. Sending love! x
“nobody wants to be different” well unfortunately people just are. and you know what’s better than hating myself for being born autistic or lgbt or a racial minority? embracing those parts of myself and finding community with others who are like me. imagine if we said this about race. “why are you celebrating your cultural heritage instead of trying to assimilate into whiteness?” 🙄
Imagine being so fucking miserable that the mere thought of someone else being happy pisses you of so much that you have to go online to cry about it...😶
sameee, I knew I was queer in middle school when I fell in love with my friend, and then in high school another girl crush, later when I started being aware of this gender thing I realized I've never felt like a girl/woman or anything, just lack of gender, agender, and only recently I diagnosed myself as autistic (I do sooo much research and it just fits and explains me)
Neurotypicals have excluded us and made us miserable for so long, it bothers them that we found each other and can reach out and compare notes on being bullied. It frightens them . And Arielle seems pretty obsessed with my oddness to be honest. Why is she so obsessed?
And about “women being more susceptible” hmm . . . You don’t think it may be that men are more conservative because they benefit directly from the patriarchy? Naw couldn’t possible be that 🤔 (sarcasm)
as a lesbian and late diagnosed autistic who used to watch arielle’s content as a kid, back in the early days of her channel, it sucks to see that someone who helped me come to terms with my identity thinks like this now. she seems to be so full of hate
As a gay trans autistic woman, I do find Arielle’s talking points on autistic people appalling. Like who is she to tell us who we are? It’s the internet, so, many experience brain worms when it comes to trans people and how we experience the world. Being constantly misunderstood is so exhausting.
Anyone who is familiar with the trans community on TH-cam will usually know that she's a TERF. She's vehemently transphobic and all of the trans creators that she used to consider friends have denounced her several years ago.
The really wild thing about this and people who think this way is like- I'm a gay autistic trans man, I've been medically transitioned for over 10 years, I'm happily partnered in a poly relationship and involved in the B*SM community,- I've never known what it's like to be an adult woman and I'm very happy with my choices. But people will still look you in the face and tell you you're a deluded autistic adult-child who's being tricked. Like nobody came and told me to do any of this, but it really just shows you how lowly they think of both autistic and LGBT+ people. I can't possibly be making my own decisions, I have to have been groomed into it, and no amount of explaination that I realized all of this about myself before social media was even a mainstream thing will change their minds, because they don't believe autistic people have minds of our own, to the point where they're the ones who look ridiculous for calling your 10+ year way of life a deluded phase.
I am similar. Except I am a trans lesbian and not in a relationship. But poly sounds awesome. Especially if they are into BDSM. If I ever get into a relationship, poly would probably work best.
I'm trans ftm and all my life I've been sure that all of my hypersensitivity issues could be explained by dysphoria. I went from "I'm not a real man" through transition to "oh wait, maybe I'm just not a real human" to "I've been autistic this whole time???". My trans>autistic pipeline was really clogged, not gonna lie.
I think I'm in a similar spot right now, I'm beginning to think I'm autistic, but it's hard to figure out whether something is maybe autistic masking, or rather me trying to play the cis boy role (I'm transfem). It's hard to figure out multiple parts of your identity at once!
@kaioh16 Im ftm early transition (figuring out a name so username is still wrong), and i also really struggle with seperating the mask of my assigned gender from my autistic mask. Whenever i'm in an anxiety inducing situation, i automatically bring out my overly feminine, customer service voice ive copied from my mom. I quit a job before i even knew i was trans, because it brought that voice out so much, and i found it made me feel awful and i couldnt place why, for a while i thought maybe my mask just needed some tuning lol. But yeah, its seriously confusing, and its made finding a normal speaking voice really tough, but im hoping voice training helps me some
I used to think that medical transition would solve all my problems. Then in my early 20s I got an autism diagnosis. Then I understood that transition would help with dysphoria but not all the other stuff. And that turned out to be correct. Bottom surgery got rid of most of my dysphoria. But I still have issues with anxiety, depression, meltdowns etc.
@@jennoscura2381 I had the same thing! My psychiatrist told me that once I start taking testosterone I won't need any other medication (I was on antidepressants at the time). And when it didn't fully "fix" me I felt even more broken. Always looking for an excuse to take myself out of uncomfortable situations rather than power through like everyone around me. Can't believe that I was told that hormones cure depression and then felt guilty that they didn't. I had no idea that might be a common experience. I'm so glad that this community exists
@lorvokh @jennoscura2381 I just wanted to add I definitely relate with this. I worried a lot when I was questioning my gender if I was seeking a new mask hoping it would make me confident and not anxious, because it's something I've done a lot in my past. After a lot of self reflection I've come to the realization that I do want this regardless of if it helps my autism symptoms. But even with it in mind I still struggle with thinking if I mask better, my anxiety will go away, and when I feel dysphoria clear up just a bit in certain areas, I can easily fall into a place of getting my hopes up almost that the same thing will happen with my autism symptoms as my transition progresses
Because if someone tries to point this out somewhere it’s an Arielle “fanbase”, she’ll be defended by anyone against trans people because “at least she hates trans people so she’s not that bad”💀💀. That’s the logic I’ve seen from a lot of her supporters.
Honestly, I can't believe that she was one of the first TH-camrs I encountered back when youtube was still mostly new and I loved her channel and content so it's been heartbreaking and aggravating watching her go down this shit for brain spiral. And makes you rewatch her old videos with completely new context. 😞
Same! I used to love her content. I think I remember getting turned off completely when I watched a video where she dissed asexuality? Then I was jus done
Imagine how must feel the others youtubers she collaborated with in the beginning, who have asked her to take down their collab video, particularly those where she tricked them and twisted their reaction, which she still refuse to do...
I also used to watch and enjoy her content because I was just starting to question my sexuality, I stopped watching her because some of her content made me uncomfortable and remembered about her like a month ago. It was awful finding out what kind of person she actually is, but I'm glad I left before it got this bad.
Exactly. I'm 21 now but being a teeny tiny 12 year old who thought I was an ally not realising I was LGBT myself, there weren't many creators open about that stuff. Thank god I also found Ash Hardell and THAT'S who I'm subscribed to even now.
@@HannahKernal I'm not sure if I was ever subscribed but I think it was a video concerning either bi women or trans women that did it for me with her 🙄
I love being weird :3 I always say I'd rather be weird than boring, and that it's not my responsibility to try to be respectable or make other people comfortable with my existence as a trans lesbian.
I could imagine that the correlation is actually not "If you're autistic you're more likely to be LGBTQIA+", but "If you're autistic and LGBTQIA+, you're more likely to realize it, accept it and come out as LGBTQIA+". Also, even if my autism had caused my trans identity, transitioning has still made me so much happier with myself, and the more comfortable I felt in my own body and the more openly I expressed my gender identity, the easier it got for me to accept the challenges I face due to being autistic in a world designed for neurotypicals.
That could well be how it is. I'm however interested in if ADHD (and autism) correlates with a higher probability of polyamory. I've seen discussions where people say everyone they know in the poly spaces is ADHD. In my peer support group there's multiple poly people, though still in the minority. But I mean if in the general population there's like 1% of those who practice polyamory, in my ADHD group it's more like 15%. I'm certain I was born queer, but polyamory is a lifestyle, not an innate identity. Though it does kind of feel that way to me, since it comes so naturally. I just think it's the brain not conforming to social norms, because I tend to rationalize everything. Some people are appalled that I'm married and polyamorous, and I just don't understand why it's so difficult for them to wrap their heads around.
@OdinsSage good point! It could be an innate thing. To me it certainly feels natural. But I totally get what you're saying. Actually at this stage in life I don't want to have multiple relationships. I did, but when the falling in love period ended, it became too much. I just prefer to engage in other stuff. However it's nice that my husband has found a partner. Them going out together also gives me more time on my own. Yikes, I just realized how my life might sound to a neurotypical person who is invested in relationship rules or whatever.x) I also love how my husband can enjoy more physical closeness, like long hugs, with his partner. I like hugs and touching, but not too much, as it's a very strong sensation for me. That, and needing time on my own - I think only autistic and ADHD people will understand.x)
@@NutrientFan1 you might be right to some extent but I think a large portion of her audience is probably conservative men who feel super validated in their bigotry because a lesbian is agreeing with them.
I hate Arielle Scarcella with a passion. When I first found out I was non-binary, I knew I never wanted to be with somebody like her. She acted like someone who is very abusive towards other people and has a superiority complex over other minorities, and she made me fear to date a woman for a long time. Now that I'm confident in my bisexuality and now know that most lesbians don't mind trans and nonbinary people like me, I feel more proud to date anybody who is accepting of my identity. Also the whole "nobody wants to be different" shtick from her is BS. I was well aware I was different ever since I got my autism diagnosis at a young age and I embraced being different from everybody else. I even like it when people call me weird because I know that anybody can be weird no matter whether or not their neurodivergent.
A lesbian who thinks Joe Biden is far left and anti woman as opposed to the abortion banning Trump blows my mind. The USA never has far left people in the White House.
It occurs to me that it's probably pretty useless to identity politician with political learnings, specifically because they can be seen in all sorts of different lens depending on where one stands.
I don't like her. WTF. There is a lot of self hate there. I am late diagnosed autistic and bi. i knew I was bi by 12. Didn't realize I was autistic until I was 60
I disagree. I've been on goth meetings and I didn't feel "among similars" there as an autistic woman. So I don't think the proportion of autistic people in the Goth community is extraordinarily high.
I don't understand why she's so mean. There's some root of cruelty there that I see too often, it's immensely small minded and concerning, and reeks of "I was bullied and am angry that you're not getting bullied." Just yet more gatekeeping.
Gender dysphoria almost k!lled me, a trans autistic guy. I denied it because I was scared of being more different. I'm happier than ever to be moving towards my real gender.
VICE just put out a great video on detransitioners. One person interviewed got diagnosed with gender dysphoria and began transitioning until they got diagnosed with autism and came to realize they weren't transgender and autism explained their struggles. This person described the autism symptoms of feeling awkward in their body, socially withdrawn, etc. THAT SAID - this person specifically didn't want their story generalized and weaponized against the trans community. The point was to start a good-faith discussion about properly diagnosing gender dysphoria and bringing up potential pitfalls as we try to provide gender affirming care to people that are truly transgender.
Out of curiosity, did that person undergo any kind of medical transition (HRT, surgery, etc)? I get the impression that most people who begin transition and then realize they _aren't_ trans tend to do it early on (unless they're being pressured by family, friends, religion, or their job to detransition). It's sad that the person _knew_ that their story would be weaponized against people, even though detransition is _so_ rare that that person could potentially be one of the only autistic detransitioners on the planet.
It is so important to listen to detransitioners because I feel that they can actually help improve healthcare for those with gender dysphoria. One thing I dislike is when detransitioners are written off for being a small percentage. Doesn’t matter. Let’s hear from happy transitions as well as unhappy transitions. That way we can assist in making healthcare for the trans community better and more capable of addressing any and all issues with the process. It’s not about taking detransitioners stories and trying to ban their healthcare. It’s about reevaluating how we approach each person and their journey. Transitioning is such a large step in someone’s life and such a commitment that I don’t think it should be treated like a “one size fits all” journey.
It must also be noted that this individual’s experience doesn’t mean that because we’re autistic, (or are neurodivergent in some other way,) that we’re not trans or gender-diverse.
“This videos about autism-“ “Also, before we get started, I’m a lesbian 🥰“ I don’t understand why she needed to mention that?? It wasn’t going to defend her statements at all. Being queer is not an excuse to be openly rude about autism but ykyk.
Im autistic, bi, and a detransitioner. When i first saw this video from arielle. I was frustrated as fuck with her. First of all it seems like she and other nurotypicals see's autisim in two ways either the super genius, savant, sheldon cooper type, or the type were we need extra support in everything and cant function anywhere. Not ynderstanding that it is literally called autisim spectrum disorder. Its a spectrum with a lot of shades of grey. Autistic people can have gender dysphoria and have the ability to consent just like everyone else. It is disgusting how arielle thinks that we are gay, trans, ect because of autisim and its the autisims fault. This is our experiences and opinions and we have the right to share them just as much as you do. Lots of Love to my fellow lgbtq+ nurodivergent people and happy almost pride month 🏳️🌈 😊❤
It's always refreshing to see a detransitioner support us trans people. Feels like almost every time you see one of them online it's because they got scooped up by transphobes. I don't know why you detransitioned, and frankly, it's none of my business, but I hope that you're at least happier and/or safer with your current gender identity.
Yeah, i had to back out too, but I really appreciate this channel for debunking Arielle's concerning rhetoric against autistic people being able to know themselves.
That is totally ok and valid, don’t force exposure to things or content you know will be triggering for you. You interacting with the video by leaving this comment is more than enough. Please take care of yourself. 💚🌈
Thank you for continuing to tell people that autism is not a mental illness even though some of the commenters are seriously dumb with no data analysis skills. I very much appreciate every video you make.
18:44 She sure is acting like most alt communities/subcultures/styles like goth, punk, scene, furries, etc. haven't always been incredibly queer and all about standing out, being different. Don't act like this is new or fake.
I like watching this kind of ableism towards autism through Meg because she's much more calm in her responses than I would be, which helps me be more calm when listening to it.
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We NEED to Discuss the Autism Speaks Rebrand Attempt.: th-cam.com/video/qTQYubdlR24/w-d-xo.html
It’s hard to believe Arielle’s video actually exists, but here we are…
The memes playlist, as promised: th-cam.com/play/PLEHi2YmjD7gEssdqTn0247t_niQMt2b22.html
Is it okay to armchair diagnose celebrities?: th-cam.com/video/6CfAni1BIME/w-d-xo.html
Remember, it’s not easy being a leader 😂 If it wasn’t for Arielle’s thorough psych deep dives, where would we be? /s
I’m so fed up of people being undermined because they are autistic. That genius stereotype just vanishes whenever it’s politically convenient 👀😅
As I say, I doubt I’ll react to her again. Sending you lots of love and see you soon! 💛💛💛🐌
I really appreciate the tone indicator, I just excitedly clicked on this video. And was throughly confused when I started reading your statement about Ariel. It all made sense once I read the “/s”😂
Thank you for the amazing content, as always! ✨💕
Thank you for that choice; content creators like her are deeply invested in the conflict model of "influencing" and benefit by any named reference to their nonsense, so we all benefit by denying them any attention.
Good video, interesting topic. The most important thing is that neurodivergence is as real and natural as being LGBTQA+
This is definitely the first video I'm actively walking away from to go rewatch the Memes playlist : P
Something about this kind of content creation, Arielle's stuff, just seems hateful and yearning to generate reactions. I think they're better to be left to squander without attention, but I get the want to address them. Maybe I'm just not up for it today.
@peterbelanger4094 get a job you bum
Arielle: "I have been researching this topic for 5-6 years"
Also Arielle: Calls autism a mental illness
@@knrdvmmlbkkn It's a neurodevelopmental disorder, not a mental illness
@@knrdvmmlbkkn Autism is not a mental illness. It's a neurological disorder. An autistic person may or may not deal with mental health conditions like depression or anxiety, but managing those conditions does not remove autism.
@@knrdvmmlbkknDo you think autistic people are too dumb to know the difference between mental illness and the neurodevelopmental disability they are born with? Do you think I popped out of the womb flapping my hands and rocking back and forth because of a mental illness that could be treated with freaking Zoloft? Why do you respond passive aggressively when an autistic person WHO WAS BORN WITH THEIR CONDITION corrects someone on the basic facts? Do you consider cerebral palsy a mental illness too?
God, why are allistics like this? You have these delusions of grandiosity about how you apparently know more about someone’s inborn conditions than they do. Maybe you’re the one who is mentally ill? How far do these delusions go? You should really talk to someone about this. :)
@@knrdvmmlbkkn Psychological disorders and neurological disorders are entirely different things that manifest in entirely different ways ♥
@@knrdvmmlbkkn you clearly didn't listen to the video. meg literally says that autism is a neurodevelopmental disorder, meaning our brains are wired differently from the majority of peoples. an illness is something that can be treated, such as anxiety and depression, while autism is lifelong and never changes.
Every time she says “but you’re not LGBT” she sounds like a conservative mom in denial taking her kid’s coming out badly lmao
That's pretty much the same of many LGBT conservatives, they refer to any LGBT person with different views to them using the "No true Scotsman" fallacy.
She is a self identified conservative
Yeah, so true!
It even reminded me of conversion practices against queer people, just that Arielle targets autistic people that are also queer.
@hibouwolf571 my freaking BIL is doing that with his daughter right now, it's disgusting. Every time he starts with the "it may be what you want but you'll never really be" bullshit I get so mad, and all I can really do is just be there and be supportive for my niece.
This comment triggered me
she calls it a psych deep dive but shes more like standing by the water with her eyes closed and trying to guess the temperature by sound
Credible research would be…getting close to such creatures!!! Putting yourself in their environment!!! Safely engaging!! Not watching them with the 25c binoculars like “ew savages”
Like even actual “mental illness” deep dives. Like when people do documentaries on BPD, DID, schizophrenia…do you think ANY of them would be credible if they didnt interview actual people with the dx?? NO!!! That’s why THEY NEED SUBJECTS TO INTERVIEW AND SUCH!!!
THIS THO 💀
what a beautiful analogy YOINK saving this for later
Btw it is actually possible to estimate temperature by sound
“I’m autistic, so I fundamentally communicate differently and that may cause some misunderstandings”
“Okay, so you don’t understand the world around you”
“No, I’m asking for some patience because our brains work two different ways”
“So you don’t know what words mean”
She just doesn’t want to listen. She will only pick and choose to support her own narrative
We aren’t here to change her, we’re here to remind everyone else that ableism isn’t a good look on anyone.
As someone who has a unfortunately bigoted family I can confidently say that’s what most bigots (ablest’s included) are like
Confirmation bias ✨Where you use the information that helps your narrative, but ignore anything that doesn't.
@@EmotionalSupportChaosDemon
That's why the neurodiversity paradigm is taking stand in the science community, according to the neurodiversity paradigm there is no ideal superior brain while in pathology there's the ideological 'normal' brain as the ideal which some now call "neuro-normativity".
More and more scientists are beginning to see the concept of "normal" as mythology.
This comment reminds me of experiences where I've tried to explain things to extend understand
Ing or empathy and also communicate with people what im planning to do or need preemptively so they arent confused or are less liekly to assume I'm avoiding work or being lazy. And they would respond as thought I was making excuses to avoid work or I was complaining about thing when all I'm doing is being like "hey I have adhd, dyslexia, and autism so I need to do things little differently to reach the same goal. I want to accomplish tasks well/fully so I need to take this approach bc it works better for me"
A recent ex-manager literally said "Don't talk like that" as if I was sadly sharing news about a terminal diagnosis and how it would limit me. Like no sir I'm just telling you how I plan to approach the tasks you're asking of me so I can do them efficiently and effectively. In the most neutral way I can possibly communicate "hey I'm different"
Another episode of "just because you are part of a minority doesn't mean you can't be a awful person"
Exactly this! She has proven more times than I count thar she is a truly hateful person who would happily slice off a microcosm of the LGBTQIA identity if it meant she could have her own ass covered.
She's is a Serena Joy/Candace Owens/Blaire White type.
So much this
FACTS
Yep!
As a trans women I see this problem so much, the amount of anti-LGBTQ+ takes that start with, "as a gay man" are insane. Obviously its not just cis gay men but by god they're the worst about it
I don’t think “wanting acceptance and being indoctrinated” explains why I find women so hot
True as a dude i would like to adopt some pets and live on a farm with brad pitt teehee
@@lord_xylozdoomsday959 oh to adopt some pets and life on a farm with Brad Pitt 😔 the world robs us of our dreams and it’s so unfair
"youre being indoctrinated!" if this cult is all about kissing fat women with short hair and cargo pants snd cro ws feet Woah mmaybe i sohuld stop its gonna make me pass out
@@lord_xylozdoomsday959 Relatable.
I would’ve chosen Keanu Reeves but that’s just me.
"He had a youtube channel and was obsessed with trains". That's way more healthier than being obsessed with making fun of others that are not hurting ANYONE. It's ironic how these people come with points that, when applied to themselves, they are like 100 times worse.
Honestly train dude sounds great, I would follow him.
@@jazmineraymond7495 Same, his videos sound pretty neat, if they're well filmed
Girl, he could get a specialized job in public transport and spend his shifts doing what he loves. You'd have to get your own reality show to get paid for being an asshole.
I would rather hang out with the train guy than her. I don’t know much about trains, but I love when people explain their passions to me, as long as their passions are not exploitative.
Imagine being obsessed with bringing others down and speaking on something you don’t even have experience from (I know some people do speak on things they don’t experience and with proper research and such that can be a good thing but not the way some people do it, where they just say things)
Insisting autism is a disease is so wild. A computer isn't broken if it uses Linux instead of windows. To windows users, Linux is unfamiliar and difficult to work with. To Linux users windows would be limiting and frustrating. It's just different systems with different ways of working
I wish my OS had at least come with a man page. Figuring it out from nothing is such a pain
@@Avendesorano man pages, and every time you have an issue people just tell you to RTFM
Uuu I love this metaphor! ✨ It can be applied to so many things imho 💗
this is an awesome analogy omg omg
not a disease, but definitely a disorder and there's nothing inherently wrong with that (yes, i am autistic)
Not her saying, ““which came first, the “tistic” or the trans?”” She can’t even give the respect of saying the autism?!?!🤦🏼♀️
“Did the autism cause the transgender or did the transgender cause the autism?” Like they can’t co exist 💀
"Nobody wants to be different"
No Arielle, being different is wonderful and makes the world more beautiful. What nobody wants is to be treated like dirt for being different.
It's very telling that she views difference as an inherent negative, almost like she's a conservative or something.
When I was younger, I was miserable because I hated that I was different (which was due to my ADHD, autism, being queer, and a POC in a place with predominantly white people) to most people and developed an obsession with being “normal”. However, I am so much happier now because I have accepted that I’m different and seek friends who are accepting of me rather than people I have to change myself around. The world would be miserable if every single person was the exact same.
Honestly she just SCREAMS immense self hatred and is projecting it on everyone. I genuinely hope she gets therapy. And is actually honest with her therapist cause LORD
I'd rather be different than be "normal"
She is conservative
Ye. Queer/weird basically just means unexpected, unusual, new, etc..
Tells you a lot about someone's personality and life experiences when they interpret that to mean 'bad'.
And it especially tells you about their cognitive ability to deal with anything that isn't of the most basic and common occurrences. Novelty, complexity and detail are just beyond them.
More and more, these days, I feel like intellectual capability should be displayed next to talking heads as they weigh in on important subjects. I'm all for the freedom to spread information to all who might be interested, but at the same time, this international village called the internet has created bigger and louder echo chambers for some pretty vile stuff.
Hopefully history will prove that the more reasonable minds of humanity triumphs.
I just want to exist
We deserve to exist.
I've been in the hospital forbthr last 17 days because they're having a hard time nailing down what's wrong.
I've been having a hard time understanding what the doctors are thinking and where they're going.
They had the chief surgeon sit down with me in Friday to discuss my case. He commented on my Lilo sweatpants and I mentioned he was my autism mascot.
I'm apparently not autistic because I have a mascot.
Wait, what did the surgeon say about your mascot after your said Lilo was your autism mascot?
I believe autistic people existing is, in fact, a crime, under Autism Speaks policy. (Sarcasm)
@@1TieDye1 "Never heard of that. That's not a thing. Being different doesn't make you autistic." I'm glad I didn't have my plushie dreadfuls 😅
I'm also ftm trans and autistic. In my case, I was diagnosed w autism around 16 and realized I was trans about a year later. These two realizations are some of the best things to ever happen to me.
The ASD diagnosis helped me to finally understand why I acted so differently than everyone else around me and now that I understand that, it gives me the ability to form real relationships.
Then figuring out I was trans only made my life better because now I understand why my body didn't feel like it belonged to me.
Now I'm almost 2 weeks post top surgery and I know surgery won't fix my anxiety or my depression, but let me tell you I SOBBED with joy upon seeing my flat chest when they took the medical dressings off. It's still looking a bit gross because the scars aren't done healing yet, but it's everything I could have hoped for.
congrats on your surgery, thats awesome! it really is incredible how it can already make a difference so early in the healing process. i remember being startled when i looked in the mirror after getting my dressings off, cuz i wasnt prepared to see my body and actually recognize it as me, for the first time, that soon after surgery. it's such an amazing and life-changing feeling. how is healing going?
Good for you brother
Regarding the "tism" and "acoustic" BS, I just saw someone call non-autistic people "ballistic" and 🤣🤣🤣
Ahahaha
Lmao.
I say tism to myself. I usually just say autism when talking to most people. I like saying WE ARE TISM BA BADA BUM BUM BUM BUM when I’m alone sometimes as I saw it in a TH-cam comment on a Reberrabon_bon video where she said “I am the tism” in a joking way when joking about feeling imposter syndrome in regards to being autistic only to see other autistics and be like “it me” 😁 now I can’t get the little parody jingle out of my brain as it lives there rent free
Also “ballistic” is hilarious 💀
Don't mind me, I'm not stealing that joke or anything...
Yoinkkkkk! Using that
We're probably no more likely to be gay/trans than non autistic people, but we're probably more open about being different with ourselves/others. I think it's similar to other things like racism, if you don't care about social norms and stereotypes then quite often you have less biases.
Same with subcultures
100%. Also I'll add to this, the autistic trait of questioning and not understanding arbitrary social norms and gendering is a key part of what makes people nonbinary. It is natural for autistic people to be more likely to be nonbinary than the NT population because of this trait.
You can only mask so much at any given time...
I believe it is true that transgender people _are_ disproportionately autistic according to the most recent data. The issue is that the response to that should be "Oh, how interesting, I wonder why that is," or "So what?" and not "...and therefore transgender people should not be taken seriously, they are confused autistics who don't understand how gender works, the poor dears. Let's withhold the means to transition from them in case they hurt themselves."
The rate of overlap should not have any bearing on a person's agency and their ability to make decisions about their own body. The assumption Scarcella and others of her ilk make is that because autism is disproportionately represented among trans people, being trans should not be taken seriously; activities to support people to transition their gender are seen as "enabling" a "delusional" mindset. Of course, these people are ableists and they think autism is a mental illness.
In fact, there is considerable overlap between support for a cure for autism, and support for banning gender transition for prepubescent children. To be trans is an aberration. To be autistic is an aberration. And in many cases, when both are present in a person, the solution many people see is that this aberration should be corrected by force.
There is a six times (averaged) increase in autism in the sample of trans people across many studies. That doesn't necessarily mean thst the reverse is true, just thst they are correlated. Also the rates of both phenomena are different (i think the highest estimates of trans people in generalized population is 1.5% and autism is currently just under 3%, with both rising due to awareness and education meaning more observed people). Plus even then it's s correlation not a causality and it's more likely it says something about the socio-cultural construct of gender than neurotype.
This woman keeps going on and on, like "you are not gay, and you also not gay, and no one is gay", and I don't understand. Who is gay then? Is she the only gay person in the entire world? That must be lonely.
Same with blaire white calling every trans women a man and when someone from her bully group treats her the same way she acts surprised like you are trying to be like the bullies while you are exactly what they go after stop acting so surprised all the time
I guess you're only gay if you're cis and neurotypical? Honestly Arielle just seems like a massive biggot who hates the neurodivergent, and especially hates trans people, it's her entirel personality at this point. And this isn't the first video she's made trying to blame being trans on another condition, here it's autism, but she also did one saying all trans people just have bpd. So which is it Arielle? Are trans people autistics who've been tricked, or borderline people who you call crazy? Also, if you have all these things you're blaming being trans on which are mutually exclusive, seems like the simpler and more likely explanation is trans people are just trans, and like cis people some of them can be neurodivergent or have mental disorders, neither of which invalidate being trans.
@@lord_xylozdoomsday959 It's so funny and annoying how they always do the pikachu surprise face when the bullying they do turns back on them.
In another video, Arielle says that she's been to most states and says she doesnt experiance homophobia. Hmmm, I wonder, maybe its cause your so straight passing hmmm???
So what counts as gay or queer then? She thinks that you can only be queer if you "dont make it your whole personality" Its like people who say "You can be gay but not to my face" Thats what she's freaking thinking
The thing about Arielle is she is the same type of person to say “being LGBT is not a personality trait” but then sees someone who is trans or non-binary, has a taste in alt/punk/goth fashion, is a leftist, generally just kindhearted and would not hurt a fly, has multifaceted identities, or an amalgamation of all of them, she goes off on a rant that they are “not gay enough” or are “too gay to be normal” while also diagnosing people as having some kind of mental illness.
I’m not even kidding about that last one, she literally said that if you are a queer you must have BPD and therefore you are a terrible person that you should be ashamed of yourself for having something that you have no control over. And then says “oh I’m not a doctor or therapist. I’m just doing research” 💀 like bro if you’re not doctor or therapist don’t diagnose strangers with mental illnesses and disorders that you don’t have the knowledge of.💀
"Obsessed with their oddness"
Yeah try going through life having it constantly being pointed out by "normal" people (who are also seemingly obsessed by it) and not becoming obsessed with it either to mask or embrace it
Oddsessed.
kinda similar to straight people getting angry for no reason when theres people with the same gender holding hands and being happy
Embracing my differences is what saved me as a teen. I realized that I can find joy in that cause I will be cast out no matter I do so why even try
As if they’re some clone army and there’s just us few weirdos out here being weird on purpose… genetic variation within a species is healthy! No two people are just alike, even identical twins! 👯
Her mocking voices gives off a lot of similarities to some of the high school bullies that I had to contend with. The sort of people who would dismiss anything you say with a mocking laugh and expect others around them to join in.
ya like is she mocking us or infantalizing us into victims
That seems to be accurate with her whole channel. No substance, just mocking others
Definite bully goblin vibes.
Also known as; Pieces of Shit 🙃
I can understand that, the triggering mocking voice. Sorry you dealt with that, man!
That's the entire Republican Party and similar right-wingers in other countries now. They used to be the boring, wealthy, educated, upper-class, posh party. Now they're just crass bullies trying to "trigger the libs".
13:30 I have the feeling Arielle doesn't consider asexual people part of the LGBTQ+ community
The cardboard sign she has with LGBT ripped away from the rest probably means she doesn't respect QIA+.
The cardboard sign she has with LGBT ripped away from the rest probably means she doesn't respect QIA+.
@@sw33t.angelashe only cares about the LG, look at the way she talks about trans people
Im surprised she has the T on it. She's a transphobe
@@sw33t.angela she doesn't respect the T either. She's notoriously transphobic
to quote a wise teacher who once heard me explain this precise argument to him:
"someone saying you can't possibly be capable of determining whether or not you're trans and/or queer just because you're autistic is just as absurd as claiming being autistic makes you incapable of determining whether or not you like apple pie. it's nonsense. neither of those two things are correlated, and even if they somehow were, correlation is not causation."
that conversation with my teacher was years and years ago. i'm sad to see it's a rare conclusion to reach these days.
sending all trans &/or queer autistic & disabled folks lots and lots of love. you get to decide who you are, always. a diagnosis cannot & does not magically supersede your human right to bodily autonomy & self-determination. it never will. you deserve the world and more.
Exactly!! Autistic people can decide who they are and what they like, we have autonomy and if we want to go to college or transition we should be allowed to do that because we have the same rights.
I feel like a lot of people just hear that autistic people can be social inept and automatically assume that means they can’t understand ANY social cues. Then if they don’t bully you for it or make fun of you behind your back, they’re treating you like a toddler.
Bro, even a toddler knows what this means:😭
I'm an autistic and am 100% able to tell that living my life as a man was unbearable and living as a woman my mental health and basic happiness are a million times better. There's nothing to be confused by. I could barely get out of bed before. Now I'm more functional on basically every level even in spite of a lot of trauma from family and external sources as a result. I know a lot of queer and trans autistic people and none of them seem unable to tell what makes them happy. They all seem to get healthier after coming out cause we do seem to know how we feel.
I feel the same way but I’m FTM andddddd even if I wasn’t trans I’d want my baby making capability out of my body bc my periods are unbearable, and I’d want top surgery bc my chest has ALWAYS been uncomfortable for me, the way they jiggle and the way they feel, they are absolutely awful, and I also have extremely sensitive skin so even bras that women swear by for being “super comfortable” are NOT comfortable for me. Also!! I had non-binary and masc/queer feelings when I was a TEEN and guess what, I didn’t even know I was autistic until 3 years ago when I was 20…. So all those stupid stereotypes of “autistic ppl are like oh maybe I’m lgbtqia because I’m autistic” I have NEVER heard of that, and if anything then once I turned 18 then I suppressed my trans masc feelings for like SIX years… I tried so hard to be a “proud woman” and like my body, but I’ve never liked my body, not when I was skinny, not when I was fat, and not now as average, because of my chest and curves. I even had an ed at 16-18 and wanted to be very skinny bc I thought it would make me happy but it didn’t, so I just came out as trans to my friends in march and I’ve been so happy since being referred to as he/him. And last year I was basically indoctrinated by the right wing side but then I started questioning it again and being like… y’know I still have the same issues and the right wing side seems to think autism isn’t real. So I’ve went full circle, from hardcore liberal to republicans and back to being liberal. And I know myself and I know you do too. Also I just heard her talk about being brainwashed it’s so absurd, I know who I am and I suppressed my feelings all my adult life until now. I’m happier than I’ve ever been. No one knows you better than you know yourself lmao. It’s insane how other people think they have a right to tell you who you actually are when you’re the only one who knows who you truly are. ❤️🧡💛💚💙💜
@@cheesypastel life is hard when you're trans. You're a badass for making it this far. It will never be easy and there will be low points but it mostly gets better from here.
❤❤
Neurotypicals make me unhappy by treating me like crap /less than 😅. That’s the problem.
Absolutely. I am trans and autistic. Getting bottom surgery over 6 years ago made my life much better. It got rid of most of my dysphoria. It's one less layer of BS I have to deal with. Dysphoria and autism at the same time is not fun.
“As we know autism is not a mental illness, your brain has developed differently but it doesn’t mean that your brain has developed defectively or stupidly.”
I think this healed something inside of me.
A tabby and a tortoiseshell can still slap your precious family heirlooms off the mantle just as well
Autism is a neurodevelopmental disorder, not just a brain difference. It’s a disability. I’m autistic, so dont call me an ableist. When a 10 year old hasn’t said their first word or a 20 year old can’t shower on their own, it’s a disability. Even if someone is high functioning but it affects their social life, it’s a disability. There’s nothing wrong with being disabled. Plus half of autistic people have a learning disability, it’s literally not just a brain “difference”, it’s a disorder that affects peoples livelihoods to different degrees. Autism can be detrimental. There are adults who are bathed by their parents and just rock back and forth and make noises, it’s very sad. Autism is not a superpower.
There was something very healing about hearing those words aloud.
As someone with autism and a few mental illnesses, that made me feel worse wtf
The other hilarious thing about her claims of "autistic people just want to join the community to feel accepted" is, you can just hang out with lgbt+ people while being an ally. I did that in highschool before I knew I was bi. You can just go " i'm straight/cis and I hang out with lgbt+ people cause they're nice". You literally don't need to sneak in
yeah.. it's extremely uncommon to find a group of queer/LGBT+ friends who shuns straight ppl lol. the vast majority just like good company and will welcome anyone who isn't horrendously ignorant or judgemental of them.
just goes to show how difficult it is for them to comprehend us as human beings, just like them and everyone else. Like they can't comprehend not having an ingroup and outgroup
Gender is connected to brain (like who do you feel you are instead of chromosomes, hormones and genitals), and autistic people have "different brains" so it totally might be connected. I just never had this sense of gender so I identify as agender. I don't feel womanhood inside me. I don't feel I'm a guy either. Maybe our logical brains just hate gender roles and we realize we don't know what the heck feeling like a man/woman actually is cause the gender stereotypes are bs, and we've always been different from other boys/girls.
We all gotta have the one straight friend lol.
THIS! I found my people in the neurodivergent queer kids before I knew I was either!
Omg that person was in distress cus of social norms n cues, not with their queerness, How's that even related 😭
I know - it's so random!! It's like she had five minutes to find TikToks to use before filming 👀
@imautisticnowwhat Considering how a lot of grifters do just make like 10 videos back to back, then space out the uploads and don't do anything for a solid week in between, that's probably actually pretty accurate lol
"I try so hard to explain to people how my autism makes me not understand social cues, and then they get mad at me for being different. This makes me extremely upset."
"See? Being forced to be gay is so harmful!"
@@spongecakes1986Yep. They literally haven't even mentioned being queer once (in the footage that was shown at least), let alone that this was a reason for their problems. Just wild that she then still jumped to the 'miserable because queer' conclusion instead of the actually mentioned communication issue. What's even more ironic is that the person in the video is basically talking about communication issues with allistic people and them not being clear and there being misunderstandings because of different communication styles between autistic and allistic people and what does this allistic person do? Exactly what the video is talking about: creating more miscommunication and misunderstanding, literally proving the point of the video maker. 🤷♀️🤦♀️
@@yasmeenahmaiden not to mention the queer tiktoks that didn't even mention autism. I swear she picked them out last minute.
The person crying, because they’re tired of being misunderstood, being actively misunderstood by Arielle is almost… poetic.
The fact that they were so explicit about what made them upset makes it seem like Arielle genuinely believes that they’re not capable of understanding their own feelings. “Oh, honey…. you’re not misunderstood. You’re just not queer. And I know that because I’m gay and every gay person is exactly like me! Oh and I have infinite knowledge of the universe…. I’m making a complete what of myself? THE most embarrassing thing you’ve ever seen?”
I knew I was bi before I knew I was autistic. And I bet a lot of late diagnosed LGBTQ autistic people are like me.
"And I'm making it worse by repeating everything you say into the microphone?"
And the weird ass mocking voices she makes, its like she thinks all autistic individuals are stupid and its just so fucking rude and insensetive.
"Your calling me insensetive? Well your the one acting emotional over facts!"
I can hear her saying.
Arielle seems to think that because we often can't read between the lines, that means we can't understand complex and abstract concepts like queerness or transness but we definitely can.
100% this, I started learning that people could be gay when I was a kid; I also am queer lmao
I think its more on the lines of "odd birds flock together". Autistic people kept trying to be accepted by society, the same way queer people did. Neither were accepted and decided to flock together.
She straight up thinks mental health issues/autism equals the person belongs in an asylum
@@G.D.G.while she does seem to think that (albeit in a more "weird INDOCTRINATED weird" than "we're both weird let's stick together"), she also directly implies that because autistic people struggle with social cues, we don't actually understand what "queer" means.
By extending her logic, since she doesn't seem to be able to grasp relatively simple concepts - like what a mental illness is, what the context of the video she's using is, or what the poll she quotes is about - I assume she doesn't think she herself can decide whether she's lgbtqia+ herself either? /hj
It's always so depressing when there's someone who is themselves part of a minority and probably has experienced bullying and unfair treatment in their life, and then they turn around and start bullying people they perceive as inferior.
Unfortunately that's how it works sometimes. When the oppressed becomes the oppressor. Or the abused becomes the abuser. That's because they didn't learn anything else. They have never been accepted for who they are so they turn the table and do not accept others they perceive as inferior. She needs a few sessions with psychotherapist. I think she has never accepted being LGBTQ+ so she doesn't accept it in others, especially if the come from a different group of people. Self acceptance is liberating.
@@crazyknitter22 More than a few
Scarielle Don't Be A Piece Of Shit Challenge 2024 (Impossible)
For Arielle to say in one sentence "autistic people get hyper-obsessed with topics and know everything about them" straight into "but autistic don't know what 'queer' means" is just wild to me. Like, Arielle, are you not even listening to yourself? How does that makes sense in your brain?
Is she autistic? She is pretty damn hyperobsessed with the trans thing.
Those were my thoughts exactly.
Exactly
You're implying Arielle HAS a brain in the first place.
That makes sense. If you're fed bad info by LARPers and you hyperfixate, you're a bag of misinfo
I saw one video where the person called X tweets "excretions" or maybe "X-cretions"? I found it highly amusing.
😂
That fits well with Rebecca Watson having adopted the pronunciation "shitter" for "Xitter"
That is SENSATIONAL!!! 😂😂😂
@@mrenb7 I just wish I could remember who it was who said it!!!
@@thatotherted3555 That's fantastic!!!
As a parent of two autistic teens, i fricking hate people who infantilise autistic people and undermine their feelings and opinions. I have had a few discussions on sexuality with my older son ( he is over 18) and he has come to the conclusion that he is Asexual as he doesn't find any one atractive ,and i have said that i love him no matter what and have no issues with whatever sexuality he is. Our younger teen isn't at the age / maturity level to discuss things as deeply as his brother can but we have had chats about" caring" feelings and getting consent from people who you would like to hug or kiss and not invading people's personal space .
You know Arielle is not Autistic and more importantly, does not understand Autistic traits, when she tries to read between lines, switch the words around, and drags out a whole new meaning to “Autistic people tend to be …”
We are Autistic, we say exactly what we mean.
Allistics be like “Autistic people can’t read between the lines” and then assume we have lines to read between like they do…
@@savannahm9943right
@@savannahm9943like we would want to! Keep yr* weird cultural norms tyvm
*allistics', not you person i'm tagging
Omg this. I struggle employing *sarcasm* into my conversations (I'm pretty sure I overplay the sarcastic tone every time, yet still get anxious if they understood I'm being sarcastic when they don't respond in an obvious manner), let alone some weird between-the-lines stuff. If I state something, it's exactly what I mean. If I didn't mention some subtle nuance, I probably didn't mean it.
@@nataliaborys1554Exactly. I have lots of good words, myself. I use them with precision to say exactly what I mean. Why would I use inexact words, increasing the odds of being misunderstood? Because I should assume other adults have a fourth-grade vocabulary? Seems kind of rude and condescending, assuming other adults have childishly limited vocabularies… 🤔
I hope everyone reading this gets away from people who refuse to say what they mean but get mad when you don't know what they mean.
UNDERRATED COMMENT holy crap, didn't know I needed to hear that today thank you ❤
Didn't expect how much i needed to hear this
Thanks ,,,= damage control that I need😏☑️♾️
This! I feel bad for the person struggling so hard with this. People can be a**holes, get away from them.
The meltdown video wasn’t even about queer identity, it was about autistic struggles. Bruh.
Hope that person finds some good friends.
Birdy has a lot of friends. They are loved.
Does Arielle think that the louder and more grating/mocking her voice gets, the more believable she sounds? Not for me. The girl who was so upset, who was trying so fcuking hard, was genuine, real, authentic. I totally connected with her pain. It brought so much up & I cried for her & along with her, I felt her pain .
Arielle Scarcella's hideous yakkity-tak diatribe made me think......, Sometimes the diagnosis is simply Asshole.
Thanks as always for your content Meghan.
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I was not familiar with Arielle prior to this video, but it took me less than three minutes to come to the conclusion that this is not a person whose opinion I would ever care about in the least.
god bless
Sorry you had to diminish the worth of your existence with knowledge of hers. I unfortunately watched her fall into TERFdom, and seeing her going at us autistic folk too comes as no surprise considering her hatefulness
Same here. I miss those days of ignorance when I had no idea who this vile self hating grifter was
I Aspire to have to same level of not giving a fuck you have.
Oh if you look into her history you'd feel that way even more. So before she "left the left" she found a group of trans minors online and she brain washed and manipulated them to such a degree they were all deeply traumatized. It took them years to realize they were being abused. And worse still, we all watched it happen! I was following these guys and a girl at the time and I was shocked when they started talking about their "TH-cam friend". She actually came to visit them! She was a woman in her... 30s I believe. They were all minors, literally not even 18 when she "befriended" them.
I remember feeling really confused because my gut feeling was "this is so wrong and I don't like her" but I couldn't really give a logical reason. Because well, it happens, older people can become friends with younger people. I work with people half my age and we are getting on great. But like, it still felt too weird. And then she came to visit and I'm sorry but I would never allowed my teenager to hang out with some adult stranger. It was during that visit that I unsubbed from her because she was.... one giant red flag. For example, she'd be so passive aggressive, especially towards the trans girl and the longer Arielle stayed the less we saw of that girl and she just seemed more and more depressed. She stopped talking really because every time she'd say something Arielle would shut her down (and pretend to be all sweet, like "Oh just kidding, he he"). She was isolating them in real time, separating the group, saying incredibly mean things and gas lighting them into thinking they were too sensitive if they got offended. Finally, one of the kids turned 18. And what did she do first?
Oh she persuaded him to make a video of him actually showing her HIS GENITALS!!! For "scientific purposes". I swear I still have trauma from these videos. He was so absolutely uncomfortable and yet she was pushing and manipulating....
Finally, the guy just disappeared one day. For like a year. And after a year he posted a lengthy video about her and how abusive and manipulative she is and the mental trauma it caused him.
I don't hate anyone as much as I hate her. Out of all the conservatives she truly is the most disgusting. And nobody could ever prove to me she is not a pedo. She is.
I'd rather have a hyperfixation on trains than a hyperfixation on hating on trans people
I'd rather society had a hyperfixation on trains than indoctrinating our children into believing they are trans. It might help the damn things run on time (trains, that is).
That crocheted rainbow top was absolutely giving. Makes me want to make* one for me and everyone I know
Make one for me please
@@WONDERBOIYIf I could you know I would ❤
Make me a rainbow sweater 😭
I wanna do a crochet pastel rainbow jumper dress now ! 😭 ( I dunno how to crochet tho- )
Oh I am definitely making one 😆 I mean…once it stops feeling like a demand that I unnecessarily placed upon myself 🤪
Arielle Scarcella seems to be deeply unhappy and wants to drag everyone down with her.
She really does, I'd feel sorry for her if she wasn't such an awful person.
Yep
A lot of people do and I feel sorry for them and hope they find peace within their lifetime. It just doesn’t make sense that people who are content with themselves and their lives would feel a need to drag people down and sure, humans aren’t exactly logical beings, but even then wallowing in hate brings misery into your own life so you might make yourself unhappy if you didn’t start out that way by inviting this kind of negativity and people might also be stupid, but probably not stupid enough to decide to hate life if they don’t feel unhappy to begin with. I mean if you have a choice to be happy, why’d you go-no, I don’t want to be happy, I’m going to be a beacon of misery 🤨
hehe, you said "drag" hehe
Internalized homophobia and trans phobia to the max. "I swear I'm not different, you're the weird one 😢"
I know exactly what you mean! Years ago I really liked Arielle‘s content and than just a few weeks ago I remembered her and decided to check on what she posts today and I was literally shocked about all the misinformation she spreads about such important topics 😢 I saw a video where she does similar things with Borderline Personality Disorder and seeing her completely butchering the diagnosis and stigmatizing a whole group of people is just wild to me, it literally breaks my heart 💔
Thank you so much for speaking up! 🙏🏻
Speaking as an autistic lesbian, we don’t claim her
I'm not sure if I can say I'm autistic but I'm definitely lesbian and yup I don't claim her
Speaking as a gay person, we don't want her either.
@@ololo518 i'm not sure if i can say i'm lesbian but i'm definitely autistic and yup i don't claim her.
autistic as an speaking, claim dont we her.
I claim her ❤
Oh, and I just learned this on Philosophytube:
Some people don't like to listen, because to them, listening is submission.
Ayyy fellow PhilosophyTube fan!! Thanks for commenting this, you reminded me that I’ve got her most recent video saved in my Watch Later list. Getting that queued up next!
I watched that video today! That quote is *chef's kiss*.
I saw it too, love her.
Haven't watched it yet (older sibling was visiting their girlfriend and I was waiting for them) but will probably watch tomorrow. Know one of her patrons, she said it's really good.
This!
My question for her(Arielle) is:
What about autistic queer people that found out they were queer before they found out they were autistic?
They don't exist , they just get vaporised, like thi-
**Gets vaporised**
"Well you see, Big Autism™ preys upon vulnerable LGBT children because they're easy marks..." /s
That was me lol
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"Deep dive" to her must mean surface snorkeling about 15 feet from the shore
Or snorkeling in her bathtub
My psychological deep dive: Arielle isn't comfortable with being different and tries not to seem that way, so she's angry at those who are because they make her feel deficient.
My psych deep dive: Arielle is a malignant narcissist that fell into the alt-right/fascist pipeline.
That sounds like projection.
She's miserable because she is unimportant and she knows it at the depths of her being. That is why her content is all about stracking anyone who is more present than her. She has nothing else. I daresay she is a sad that being a lesbian in this modern era is so chill because it's what she hung her whole personhood on. It's telling in the way she goes for trans people just living their lives as an affront to her solo characteristic
Arielle started these types of videos because powerful people in the LGTBQ Scene pushed her out because she insisted on not being attracted to penises as a lesbian.
@@anniestumpy9918I mean it’s a logical conclusion to come to. She says constantly that nobody wants to be weird or different, which is simply not true at all. She’s constantly saying things like that, which makes it clear that in her opinion, she doesn’t want to be different as being different is “bad”. She’s clearly projecting onto other LGBTQ+ people.
I’m so done with people thinking they know me better than I know myself.
I love the whole "it's a choice" implication in all this. Like yep being attracted to just women was too easy for my autistic brain, I needed more social queues and norms to barely understand so I picked up being bi
I love imagining the people saying that "it's a choice" just *choosing* to be queer for a day. It should be easy to switch back, right? Where's the risk?
This made me laugh! Thanks!
And I also notices the "it's a choice"... I'm really irritated by this and the internalized sexism and all...
I had a discussion with a homophobe, who also had so much internalized misogyny that I don't know how she functions. She kept going on about sexuality being a chooce and all that, so I asked her when she chose to be straight, and she actually answered sincerely. She told me about a woman she was with briefly and how she decided she didn't want that when she overheard her deeply bigoted father saying nasty things about her being gay because she was a tomboy. He didn't actually know she'd been seeing a girl. He just decided a girl who likes sports= bad and lesbian. She said she chose to be straight after that, and I felt incredibly sad for her. It doesn't excuse the rancid thing she's said or her complete denial about the existence of bisexuality, but it really explains a lot. She has a particular disdain for lesbians and it stems from her father's misogyny and homophobia and her falling into the worst of evangelical christianity. It seems like a lot of the "It's a choice" crowd might be bi and choosing to suppress part of their sexuality.
@science_bear I'm sorry, but I don't understand the question. Are you asking if being phobic towards gay people is a normal action from bisexual people? I don't know people who are openly bi that are phobic towards others in the lgbtq+ community. I think that some people who are too full of self hate will lash out at those who embrace their identity and live life without denying themselves. I'm not quite sure I interpreted your question right though.
@science_bear I'm so sorry that happened to you. My experiences with dating other bisexual people has been mostly positive, but I've been involved with more women and had worse experiences with straight men, but I'm not going to presume to invalidate your experiences. Honestly, I'm mostly celibate these days after some traumatic experiences and I know that there are bad people in every community. I hope that you're healing from what your abusive ex put you through. You deserve better and to be cherished, whether it's through romantic or platonic relationships.
Neurodivergent People can be Trans
Neurotypical People can be Trans
you’re all Valid.
But detrans people are also valid, because some detransitioners are undiagnosed autistic.
sending you an internet hug
thank you eggman
Exactly
Lol, I'm 60 and queer has meant queer for as long as I can remember. I mean technically it means weird, when used in literature etc. but its been a slang term for gay/trans etc for decades.
So, Arielle Scarcella is being awful. Must be Sunday.
Must be a day ending in Y
@@erikdaniels0n I was going to respond with the same exact thing.
@@SmackedyDoo There is no trans ideology, just people trying to be themselves.
@@SmackedyDoo You have an issue with trans people?
@@SmackedyDoo Why do you have an issue with trans people?
I feel like originally the point a lot of people made was a lot of autistic KIDS are easily influenced. And yes, kids in general. KIDS ARE EASILY INFLUENCED IN GENERAL. but acting like GROWN ADULTS can't understand their own sexuality is so stupid. Come on, we aren't talking about 12 year olds here. A 25 year old autistic woman who enjoys sleeping with women can know she's gay. and autistic people can consent.
Any kid can know they are gay its just weird to try to make them prétend they are something until 18
@@draalttom844 yeah what I mean is in general kids are easily influenced in everything. and yeah kids can know that they're gay. sexuality can change and shift as you get older and kids who thought they were gay could be bi and kids who thought they were bi could be gay and etc. I've liked girls since I was 5. Kids can know what crushes they have for sure, I didn't know that girls could like girls but i liked them anyway.
Autistic people are more trusting, which makes them more easily manipulated and tend to fall for scams and manipulative partners and exploitative "friends".
There's just no cult of the gays trying to convince everyone to turn gay. That's just not a thing. There's not a lot of money in it compared to, idk, starting a church.
My worry with a lot of this is that non-diagnosed autistic teenagers probably feel like there's *something* different about themselves, and they can be pressured into the wrong conclusions by bad actors. But obviously the correct response to this would be open-minded affirming care that supports the person until they're able to draw their own conclusions.
@@Maryaminx for sure. before i was diagnosed i wouldn't do that with lgbt because i didn't know about it, but I would google every neurological condition i could find to try to explain what I had. now I know i'm autistic and bisexual.
As an autistic queer person, I never really had an innate sense of gender to begin with. I always felt disconnected from gender roles because I didn't care about social norms. I just feel much more comfortable as a androgynous/masc person now.
Same, I'm Bisexual and autistic and I learned I liked girls before I got diagnosed. I don't think I'm Bi because I can't read social cues💀. I think Arielle was generalizing because it's not impossible to think your queer if you really just don't fit in but that isn't every autistic queer persons feelings
Arielle acting like the current definition of the word queer is this super recent thing when people have been using "We're here, we're queer" as a slogan longer than she's been alive.
Is she incredibly ignorant of the topics she discusses or a disingenuous grifter knowingly spreading misinformation? I vote both.
The term "Breeder Feeder" fits her pretty well here.
@@jerrysanders141oooooh daaamn. I’m gonna have to steal that cause it’s fuckin brutal
@@notNajimi it's actually a really old term, but I'm absolutely all for bringing it back.
She’s a grifter
When Arielle makes her argument about how "the autism came first" and "did they just say the quiet part out loud", she is implying that "transgenderism" (her words not mine) is a brain disorder like ASD.
The extreme transphobes like to use made up medical-sounding diagnoses like "autogynephilia" (AGP) or "rapid onset gender dysphoria" (ROGD).
Like Meg and Jenna both point out, Arielle seems to ignore that a significantly more plausible explanation for the correlation between autism and LGBT (including trans) is that many autistic people have difficulty accepting social constructs and cultural norms at face value, so we have an easier time dismissing things like traditional gender roles.
(Edit to add: To be clear, I'm not saying that being LGBT is a choice. What I'm saying is that like many people, I think the correlation between autism and LGBT is more likely to do with the way social norms and stigmas hold less weight for us, so we more easily accept people (including ourselves) for who they are regardless of social pressure to conform.)
On your last bit ("difficulty accepting social constructs and cultural norms at face value"), I would say that it's more like fundamental differences in processing. Difficulty implies it's a 'lack of' skill or what have you, which seems to be only partially true. The foundation, however, is processing and that's far far harder to really understand because on some level, it's impossible. Someone who isn't colorblind can't really understand the experience of someone who is or vice versa, because it's not really about lacking language or definition of some/all colors. Someone can learn to identify situations where colors they can't see might be a problem and raise a warning flag, but that doesn't mean they're seeing those colors. It just means they recognize that there's a more accurate response required.
Honestly, it’s her use of these phrases (and “gaslighting” later) that makes me think she really is just baiting and trolling for views, because otherwise they’re completely nonsensical.
As I read that, your hypothesis could only be valid if you believe that sexual orientation and gender identity are just things people choose arbitrarily in order to conform with their neighbors.
This certainly runs counter to what LGBT -- and straight -- people will say, and everyone LGBT I have gotten to know, has struggled because they were gay or had gender dysphoria. They didn't choose it for convenience.
Also, one of the things my older sisters have a problem with is the "social contagion" in ONLY the younger generations. But, if you think about it, doesn't it kind of make sense? If being autistic and queer are so connected or correlated enough, and autism is semi-genetic, it would make sense that the younger generation is just naturally 'more queer', no? And ofc, being autistic doesn't make you queer (or vice versa), but there's still obviously a correlation.
@@barrydworak i belive he meant that autistic people won't try be straight or pretend to be cis as much to fit in. Autistic people wouldn't be choosing their sexualaty or gender but might just not hide it or explore it more then neurotypical people. Thats how i understood it
"psych deep dive" and it's just yelling at the ocean to stop moving 💀
You know what... I'm tired of hiding it. Arielle is correct. I am single handedly turning the world gayer and gayer and gayer, by virtue of being gay and participating in the community. /JK
I knew the gays had an agenda. /j
honestly though, the WORST thing about Arielle imo is how she often uses clips of people OBVIOUSLY in distress to fuel her own agenda. Like, ma'am... Give those people a MODICUM of respect, PLEASE
i just want a tshirt that says “i am the gay agenda” lmao
@@LostAndFound7991 I’m sure it exists somewhere lol
Based
A trait of autism is being non-judgmental, or a tendency to be non-judgmental. Why would that not carry into sexuality? My son is autistic, he has no preference. I’m autistic, neither do I. What difference does gender really make in a heart bound relationship? I had an autistic uncle, he was non-sexual. I have two other sons on the spectrum, they aren’t looking for relationships. Is it the autism or the generation they belong to? I don’t know. Does it really matter?
Just for clarity, these are all “high functioning” autists capable of masking their autism successfully. Except for the uncle, he was clearly neurodivergent by his temperament.
Yet, my brother is autistic and he is 100% gay and he does not find the body of a woman attractive in any way. I have an autistic female friend who is heterosexual and has never been aroused by the body of a woman. Sure, they both are absolutely non-judgemental, and my brother for example used to have a sentimental crush on a woman when he was a teen. But they are not asexual and they want to be in a relationship with someone they can have sex with, meaning being in a relationship with a woman is, for both of them, absolutely not possible. It's not because you're open-minded that suddenly there is no limits anymore to your attractions and desires.
I think you may just have a queer family that's also autistic. Plenty of autistic people have gender preferences, and plenty of us are judgemental. Personally, I don't care about gender because I'm ace, not because I'm autistic, and yes, I'm judgemental as hell, I just judge things people have control over as opposed to things out of their control.
Your family sounds lovely!! And just fyi, functioning labels aren't really used anymore as they aren't regarded as accurate. "High masking" would probably be more of the word to use for the other family members besides the uncle. 👍
I’m a trans guy with autism and I also have no sexual preference or desire to be in relationships.
I was talking about being judgmental and getting all up into other people’s business about sexual preference or identity. Not that autistic people can’t have preferences. I’m speaking about my experiences, not anyone else’s. There are many in the autistic community that know what I’m trying to say and/or can identify with it.
It's the same argument "oh you're too young to know" wrapped in ableist packaging 🙃
Rizz 'em with the 'tism
I hope that saves the word for you just a tiny bit
God forbid I be trans and autistic. I’m seriously just trying to make it through this year. I should be allowed to exist. Everyone should be allowed to exist.
You're doing awesome! If you need queer joy I got reccs
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I have had to deal with similar garage being aro ace and agender while daring to be *gasp* autistic. A lot of people say my autism is the reason I'm "confused" or "sexless", or that labeling as aro ace is just a cope because no one wants to date an autistic person and so much more. It's just gross that people care so damn much about me not wanting sex or a relationship that they feel the need to analyze and explain my feelings to me.
@@RiveroftheWither I’m also ace. I completely it’s so weird what people will focus on
Damn, playing life on hard mode lol
the day arielle stays in her damn lane and doesn't talk about things she obviously has no real knowledge in is the day hell freezes over
90 percent of TH-cam is people spewing petty, uninformed opinions.
as a trans autistic man the crossover of infantilization of autism and afab people really screws me over, everyone acts like i'm too disabled to understand my gender, and that because i'm afab i'm just a manipulated little girl tricked by the scary transes... despite me being an adult in my 20s
This angers me so much, your comment already explains why but GAH it's just so frustrating.
autistic people in my experience are more self-aware than allistic people. it just seems that we're dumb because of trouble expressing ourselves and also because of stereotypes and ableism
oh dude, I always feel I'm treated as a teenager (I'm 34 lol). is it because autistic people are less conforming? no makeup, comfy clothes, maybe I look younger but it's really bad for my mental well being to be treated like I'm not fully adult yet. It happens too often, is it my face, the way I walk or act?
I’m AFAB and I currently identify with gender-fluidity, and I get this ALL THE TIME when it comes to my masculine presentation. How I’m reinforcing the patriarchy (somehow????), how I’m just small and insecure in my feminity, how I can’t really know myself and other people somehow know me better than I do. It’s so frustrating, especially coming from my own parents when I tried coming out to them. I’ve since told them that I’m not queer, just to stay safe until I can finally leave (would have left sooner if the economy isn’t what it is)
This video made me cry because I was bullied and a gay autistic kid, now I'm 21 and gay and still autistic and it hasn't faded it won't fade.
You can't just pretend Arielle. Thank you for the video Meg
It may fade more with time, you have so much life to live and grow and heal. Arielle is a bully; it's totally understandable why the video was so upsetting for you to watch. There are so many good people out there though; find them and ignore horrible people like Arielle. Sending love! x
@@charitygoldart i think they meant their autism and/or gayness isn't going away /nm
how are you so respectful? i started uncontrollably yelling at 4 minutes in and im only 10 minutes in 😭
I wrote a whole ESSAY on how much i got pissed off, on the first minute, Airelle started to open her mouth.
“nobody wants to be different” well unfortunately people just are. and you know what’s better than hating myself for being born autistic or lgbt or a racial minority? embracing those parts of myself and finding community with others who are like me. imagine if we said this about race. “why are you celebrating your cultural heritage instead of trying to assimilate into whiteness?” 🙄
it’s reminiscent of people who think “taking autism seriously” means being autistic should be about suffering all the time 😭
Nobody wants to be different is a self report. She wants so bad to be 'normal' she projects it onto everyone who isnt normal. Aka a bootlicker
“Nobody wants to be different” yeah Arielle because when people are,mfs like you come and bully them into hiding who they truly are
People being bothered by my weirdness sounds hell of a lot like not my problem
Imagine being so fucking miserable that the mere thought of someone else being happy pisses you of so much that you have to go online to cry about it...😶
I find this take kinda hilarious because I knew I was queer before I knew I was autistic.
same 😭😂 i don’t have an ASD diagnosis but i have ADHD and honestly I think i definitely have ASD, I just don’t have my doctor anymore so :/
sameee, I knew I was queer in middle school when I fell in love with my friend, and then in high school another girl crush, later when I started being aware of this gender thing I realized I've never felt like a girl/woman or anything, just lack of gender, agender, and only recently I diagnosed myself as autistic (I do sooo much research and it just fits and explains me)
Same lol
I figured out that I was queer in highschool. I got diagnosed with autism at age 47. So 30+ years earlier.
Neurotypicals have excluded us and made us miserable for so long, it bothers them that we found each other and can reach out and compare notes on being bullied. It frightens them .
And Arielle seems pretty obsessed with my oddness to be honest. Why is she so obsessed?
And about “women being more susceptible” hmm . . . You don’t think it may be that men are more conservative because they benefit directly from the patriarchy? Naw couldn’t possible be that 🤔 (sarcasm)
as a lesbian and late diagnosed autistic who used to watch arielle’s content as a kid, back in the early days of her channel, it sucks to see that someone who helped me come to terms with my identity thinks like this now. she seems to be so full of hate
As a gay trans autistic woman, I do find Arielle’s talking points on autistic people appalling. Like who is she to tell us who we are? It’s the internet, so, many experience brain worms when it comes to trans people and how we experience the world. Being constantly misunderstood is so exhausting.
Anyone who is familiar with the trans community on TH-cam will usually know that she's a TERF. She's vehemently transphobic and all of the trans creators that she used to consider friends have denounced her several years ago.
The really wild thing about this and people who think this way is like- I'm a gay autistic trans man, I've been medically transitioned for over 10 years, I'm happily partnered in a poly relationship and involved in the B*SM community,- I've never known what it's like to be an adult woman and I'm very happy with my choices.
But people will still look you in the face and tell you you're a deluded autistic adult-child who's being tricked. Like nobody came and told me to do any of this, but it really just shows you how lowly they think of both autistic and LGBT+ people. I can't possibly be making my own decisions, I have to have been groomed into it, and no amount of explaination that I realized all of this about myself before social media was even a mainstream thing will change their minds, because they don't believe autistic people have minds of our own, to the point where they're the ones who look ridiculous for calling your 10+ year way of life a deluded phase.
And isn't she just grooming people into being a bunch of hypocritical hateful Allistic straights?
I am similar. Except I am a trans lesbian and not in a relationship. But poly sounds awesome. Especially if they are into BDSM. If I ever get into a relationship, poly would probably work best.
Arielle: “No one likes to be different.”
Also Arielle: *constantly bragging about how her views differ from the majority.*
I'm trans ftm and all my life I've been sure that all of my hypersensitivity issues could be explained by dysphoria. I went from "I'm not a real man" through transition to "oh wait, maybe I'm just not a real human" to "I've been autistic this whole time???". My trans>autistic pipeline was really clogged, not gonna lie.
I think I'm in a similar spot right now, I'm beginning to think I'm autistic, but it's hard to figure out whether something is maybe autistic masking, or rather me trying to play the cis boy role (I'm transfem). It's hard to figure out multiple parts of your identity at once!
@kaioh16 Im ftm early transition (figuring out a name so username is still wrong), and i also really struggle with seperating the mask of my assigned gender from my autistic mask. Whenever i'm in an anxiety inducing situation, i automatically bring out my overly feminine, customer service voice ive copied from my mom. I quit a job before i even knew i was trans, because it brought that voice out so much, and i found it made me feel awful and i couldnt place why, for a while i thought maybe my mask just needed some tuning lol. But yeah, its seriously confusing, and its made finding a normal speaking voice really tough, but im hoping voice training helps me some
I used to think that medical transition would solve all my problems. Then in my early 20s I got an autism diagnosis. Then I understood that transition would help with dysphoria but not all the other stuff. And that turned out to be correct. Bottom surgery got rid of most of my dysphoria. But I still have issues with anxiety, depression, meltdowns etc.
@@jennoscura2381 I had the same thing! My psychiatrist told me that once I start taking testosterone I won't need any other medication (I was on antidepressants at the time). And when it didn't fully "fix" me I felt even more broken. Always looking for an excuse to take myself out of uncomfortable situations rather than power through like everyone around me. Can't believe that I was told that hormones cure depression and then felt guilty that they didn't. I had no idea that might be a common experience. I'm so glad that this community exists
@lorvokh @jennoscura2381 I just wanted to add I definitely relate with this. I worried a lot when I was questioning my gender if I was seeking a new mask hoping it would make me confident and not anxious, because it's something I've done a lot in my past. After a lot of self reflection I've come to the realization that I do want this regardless of if it helps my autism symptoms. But even with it in mind I still struggle with thinking if I mask better, my anxiety will go away, and when I feel dysphoria clear up just a bit in certain areas, I can easily fall into a place of getting my hopes up almost that the same thing will happen with my autism symptoms as my transition progresses
Allistic people shut up about autism challenge (insta fail)(theycant not give their unwanted wrong opinions)
her ableism is showing. how has she not been harshly criticized for this??
Because if someone tries to point this out somewhere it’s an Arielle “fanbase”, she’ll be defended by anyone against trans people because “at least she hates trans people so she’s not that bad”💀💀. That’s the logic I’ve seen from a lot of her supporters.
How miserable must you be to hate people who are happy?
Honestly, I can't believe that she was one of the first TH-camrs I encountered back when youtube was still mostly new and I loved her channel and content so it's been heartbreaking and aggravating watching her go down this shit for brain spiral. And makes you rewatch her old videos with completely new context. 😞
Same! I used to love her content. I think I remember getting turned off completely when I watched a video where she dissed asexuality? Then I was jus done
Imagine how must feel the others youtubers she collaborated with in the beginning, who have asked her to take down their collab video, particularly those where she tricked them and twisted their reaction, which she still refuse to do...
I also used to watch and enjoy her content because I was just starting to question my sexuality, I stopped watching her because some of her content made me uncomfortable and remembered about her like a month ago. It was awful finding out what kind of person she actually is, but I'm glad I left before it got this bad.
Exactly. I'm 21 now but being a teeny tiny 12 year old who thought I was an ally not realising I was LGBT myself, there weren't many creators open about that stuff.
Thank god I also found Ash Hardell and THAT'S who I'm subscribed to even now.
@@HannahKernal I'm not sure if I was ever subscribed but I think it was a video concerning either bi women or trans women that did it for me with her 🙄
"Nobody likes to be the weird one" - nothing icks me as much as generalizing this way. I like being myself, I like being the weird one. Am I nobody?
More like she's desperate for approval, so she projects this to everyone else
I love being weird :3
I always say I'd rather be weird than boring, and that it's not my responsibility to try to be respectable or make other people comfortable with my existence as a trans lesbian.
I could imagine that the correlation is actually not "If you're autistic you're more likely to be LGBTQIA+", but "If you're autistic and LGBTQIA+, you're more likely to realize it, accept it and come out as LGBTQIA+".
Also, even if my autism had caused my trans identity, transitioning has still made me so much happier with myself, and the more comfortable I felt in my own body and the more openly I expressed my gender identity, the easier it got for me to accept the challenges I face due to being autistic in a world designed for neurotypicals.
That could well be how it is. I'm however interested in if ADHD (and autism) correlates with a higher probability of polyamory. I've seen discussions where people say everyone they know in the poly spaces is ADHD. In my peer support group there's multiple poly people, though still in the minority. But I mean if in the general population there's like 1% of those who practice polyamory, in my ADHD group it's more like 15%.
I'm certain I was born queer, but polyamory is a lifestyle, not an innate identity. Though it does kind of feel that way to me, since it comes so naturally. I just think it's the brain not conforming to social norms, because I tend to rationalize everything. Some people are appalled that I'm married and polyamorous, and I just don't understand why it's so difficult for them to wrap their heads around.
@OdinsSage good point! It could be an innate thing. To me it certainly feels natural. But I totally get what you're saying. Actually at this stage in life I don't want to have multiple relationships. I did, but when the falling in love period ended, it became too much. I just prefer to engage in other stuff. However it's nice that my husband has found a partner. Them going out together also gives me more time on my own.
Yikes, I just realized how my life might sound to a neurotypical person who is invested in relationship rules or whatever.x) I also love how my husband can enjoy more physical closeness, like long hugs, with his partner. I like hugs and touching, but not too much, as it's a very strong sensation for me. That, and needing time on my own - I think only autistic and ADHD people will understand.x)
I can't understand how adult people can watch that woman.
Or the adults that watch her are exactly as miserable as she is and they’re looking for someone who espouses their same hateful viewpoints.
@@NutrientFan1 A lot of adults voted for Trump. The fascist threat is real. American conservatism would be called fascism in any other country.
"I can't understand (...) watch that woman."
For entertainment.
@@NutrientFan1 you might be right to some extent but I think a large portion of her audience is probably conservative men who feel super validated in their bigotry because a lesbian is agreeing with them.
Rageholics
Thank you.
This woman is insufferable.
I hate Arielle Scarcella with a passion. When I first found out I was non-binary, I knew I never wanted to be with somebody like her. She acted like someone who is very abusive towards other people and has a superiority complex over other minorities, and she made me fear to date a woman for a long time. Now that I'm confident in my bisexuality and now know that most lesbians don't mind trans and nonbinary people like me, I feel more proud to date anybody who is accepting of my identity. Also the whole "nobody wants to be different" shtick from her is BS. I was well aware I was different ever since I got my autism diagnosis at a young age and I embraced being different from everybody else. I even like it when people call me weird because I know that anybody can be weird no matter whether or not their neurodivergent.
Normal is completely and utterly fucking overrated. Fuck normal.
A lesbian who thinks Joe Biden is far left and anti woman as opposed to the abortion banning Trump blows my mind. The USA never has far left people in the White House.
The absolute closest we've ever had is Bernie and he's nothing on Europe
As a Canadian I don't think the democrats are "left" at all.
Bro Joe Biden isn’t even Centrist at this point wtf is far left to her???
Doesn't Biden support Israel which is commiting g3nocide? Cause that doesn't sound very left leaning, but that's just me what do I know about politics
It occurs to me that it's probably pretty useless to identity politician with political learnings, specifically because they can be seen in all sorts of different lens depending on where one stands.
Arielle has “I’m the only gay in the village,” syndrome.
I don't like her. WTF. There is a lot of self hate there. I am late diagnosed autistic and bi. i knew I was bi by 12. Didn't realize I was autistic until I was 60
A lot of us are in subcultures too. I’d say there are more autistic goth people than not (myself included).
Yes!!
One of my best friends is autistic and she's a goth 😊❤️
I've heard that heavy metal has a significant autistic fanbase.
I disagree. I've been on goth meetings and I didn't feel "among similars" there as an autistic woman.
So I don't think the proportion of autistic people in the Goth community is extraordinarily high.
I don't understand why she's so mean. There's some root of cruelty there that I see too often, it's immensely small minded and concerning, and reeks of "I was bullied and am angry that you're not getting bullied." Just yet more gatekeeping.
Thank you for advocating for queer autistic people💚💚💚💚🐸🐸🐸
So many words for her to go "Aha! See? It's a bunch of R words" fuckin brilliant 🙄
Gender dysphoria almost k!lled me, a trans autistic guy. I denied it because I was scared of being more different. I'm happier than ever to be moving towards my real gender.
VICE just put out a great video on detransitioners. One person interviewed got diagnosed with gender dysphoria and began transitioning until they got diagnosed with autism and came to realize they weren't transgender and autism explained their struggles. This person described the autism symptoms of feeling awkward in their body, socially withdrawn, etc.
THAT SAID - this person specifically didn't want their story generalized and weaponized against the trans community. The point was to start a good-faith discussion about properly diagnosing gender dysphoria and bringing up potential pitfalls as we try to provide gender affirming care to people that are truly transgender.
Agreed
What's the video called?
Out of curiosity, did that person undergo any kind of medical transition (HRT, surgery, etc)? I get the impression that most people who begin transition and then realize they _aren't_ trans tend to do it early on (unless they're being pressured by family, friends, religion, or their job to detransition).
It's sad that the person _knew_ that their story would be weaponized against people, even though detransition is _so_ rare that that person could potentially be one of the only autistic detransitioners on the planet.
It is so important to listen to detransitioners because I feel that they can actually help improve healthcare for those with gender dysphoria. One thing I dislike is when detransitioners are written off for being a small percentage. Doesn’t matter. Let’s hear from happy transitions as well as unhappy transitions. That way we can assist in making healthcare for the trans community better and more capable of addressing any and all issues with the process. It’s not about taking detransitioners stories and trying to ban their healthcare. It’s about reevaluating how we approach each person and their journey. Transitioning is such a large step in someone’s life and such a commitment that I don’t think it should be treated like a “one size fits all” journey.
It must also be noted that this individual’s experience doesn’t mean that because we’re autistic, (or are neurodivergent in some other way,) that we’re not trans or gender-diverse.
She's embarrassing. I'm embarrassed for her.
“This videos about autism-“
“Also, before we get started, I’m a lesbian 🥰“
I don’t understand why she needed to mention that?? It wasn’t going to defend her statements at all. Being queer is not an excuse to be openly rude about autism but ykyk.
And also her being a lesbian, doesn't excuse her being a pick me. She is horrible to the lgbtq+ community to say "see I am one of the good ones"
Im autistic, bi, and a detransitioner. When i first saw this video from arielle. I was frustrated as fuck with her. First of all it seems like she and other nurotypicals see's autisim in two ways either the super genius, savant, sheldon cooper type, or the type were we need extra support in everything and cant function anywhere. Not ynderstanding that it is literally called autisim spectrum disorder. Its a spectrum with a lot of shades of grey. Autistic people can have gender dysphoria and have the ability to consent just like everyone else. It is disgusting how arielle thinks that we are gay, trans, ect because of autisim and its the autisims fault. This is our experiences and opinions and we have the right to share them just as much as you do. Lots of Love to my fellow lgbtq+ nurodivergent people and happy almost pride month 🏳️🌈 😊❤
It's always refreshing to see a detransitioner support us trans people. Feels like almost every time you see one of them online it's because they got scooped up by transphobes. I don't know why you detransitioned, and frankly, it's none of my business, but I hope that you're at least happier and/or safer with your current gender identity.
Oh no. I don't think I'm in the right space to watch this. I've seen her on a couple of Jubilee videos and she is an irrational, aggressive bully.
Yeah, i had to back out too, but I really appreciate this channel for debunking Arielle's concerning rhetoric against autistic people being able to know themselves.
That is totally ok and valid, don’t force exposure to things or content you know will be triggering for you. You interacting with the video by leaving this comment is more than enough. Please take care of yourself. 💚🌈
My autism has nothing to do with me being gay. They’re just both parts of the mix that makes me who I am ❤
Thank you for continuing to tell people that autism is not a mental illness even though some of the commenters are seriously dumb with no data analysis skills. I very much appreciate every video you make.
18:44 She sure is acting like most alt communities/subcultures/styles like goth, punk, scene, furries, etc. haven't always been incredibly queer and all about standing out, being different. Don't act like this is new or fake.
I like watching this kind of ableism towards autism through Meg because she's much more calm in her responses than I would be, which helps me be more calm when listening to it.