Great guide. Haven't been able to find many outlaw guides and none are explained very clearly. Is there anywhere you share your weakauras or other outlaw specific ui/addons?
@susanoo_WoW please clarify for AOE, on your opener where does BF fit in, I usually use it as soon as there is no 5cb proc for BTE in subterfuge window to get quick CB's, however, on those juicy non stop procs I then don't get it up till after, feels like a huge DPS loss for all those BTE without cleaving?
So the base rules for BF are If BF isn't active and you have more than 1 target it becomes the priority over everything else even BTE. Ideally, you have it up or refreshed before going into your subterfuge window so you don't need to force it in. If you have 5+ targets it's your number one combo point builder and should be used on CD (provided you're not overcapping, like if you have 4 combo points get to 5+. finish, and then send it. If you have broadside active (the double combo point buff) you can send it at 3-4 targets on CD because it'll max out combo points from 0-1. Now what I'll do also is situationally use it to fill out my combo points, so if I have 3 targets and I'm at 3 combo points I'll send it to get to 6 and finish, 4 combo points, and 2 targets, 2 combo points and 4 targets, etc. But that becomes a little much to take in every pull so following the base rules for it are perfectly fine
This guide is seriously amazing, I understand this is one of the most dynamic and high APM specs in wow, and you cannot ever learn it without a lot of trail and error, but even then this guide helped a lot !! Would appreciate it if you shared your weak auras too, they look awesome!
This was made before that change when vanish didn't reset the CD. Theres been a couple changes since the video but the primary gameplay is still the same, vanish and spam bte's. Rolls the bones logic is slightly different as well I reccomend checking out the rouge discord for the logic
So the logic is mostly the same as the video and playing with that logic is fine. But if you want a little more in-depth side of the logic here it is. Keep it Rolling or Count the Odds buffs that are higher duration than normal active roll the bones buffs will stay behind after a reroll Keeping that in mind, Keep it Rolling builds can follow these simple rules for Roll the Bones - Roll the Bones when you won't be losing any buffs (this includes situations where all your buffs are from KIR or you have no buffs up. If you have KIR rolls that are lower duration than your new ones, rerolling will cancel those) - Roll the Bones with Loaded Dice active and you will only be losing one buff (generally this means most of your buffs are from KIR, and you have a single normal buff that is lower duration then your KIR buffs) - Roll the Bones with Loaded Dice active and a total of 1 or 2 buffs (this includes both normal and KIR/CTO buffs) Also rolling during subterfuge is okay, supercharger is meant to be spent during subterfuge windows so holding your roll till after is a DPS loss
It just cost to much energy in the KiR build, Hidden opportunity has half cost pistol shots as the other builder and has proc benefits attached to Ambush. So yup, no ambush
twitch and youtube, the twith link is is the description. Havent streamed in a litte, work got busy and my mic arm broke so once the new one comes in ill be streaming more
If vanish is that close just hang on to AR until it’s ready. You’ll get more AR uptime waiting for vanish. If you AR early and extend the last half of it with vanish and get good buffs that push you through your next vanish cooldown you’ll end up having to wait for AR to come back. If you hold it and vanish at ARs start you may be able to squeeze your second vanish in the last one or two seconds of AR and get another 6 seconds out of it
@@Susanoo_WoW thanks brother im having trouble really understanding mostly rotation/optimal vanish times. Like if i should dump all vanishes in opener, And haste cap for HO. Subbed
Yeah the last update changed it a bit, but the primary rules of focusing on staying in stealth and BTE'ing still stand. Outside that rtb has a couple more rules now, you can bte more often, and you don't echoing reprimand anymore
god i wish outlaw just never happened. roll the bones is the most annoying ability in the game. so much RNG bs. combat was perfectly fine where it was. it never shouldve got ditched.
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This is great! I'm a pvper, but some of the top arena rogues are playing keep it rolling and I was looking for a guide on it, thank you.
Great guide. Haven't been able to find many outlaw guides and none are explained very clearly.
Is there anywhere you share your weakauras or other outlaw specific ui/addons?
Thanks Harley. That was kind of my reasoning for making it. Let me get to a pc and I’ll share my weakauras
@@Susanoo_WoW still waiting for it
@@witold7245 Here you go guys @harleymoore7736 wago.io/P7o9RqKHj
One of the best Guides i've ever seen. Thank you!
@susanoo_WoW please clarify for AOE, on your opener where does BF fit in, I usually use it as soon as there is no 5cb proc for BTE in subterfuge window to get quick CB's, however, on those juicy non stop procs I then don't get it up till after, feels like a huge DPS loss for all those BTE without cleaving?
So the base rules for BF are
If BF isn't active and you have more than 1 target it becomes the priority over everything else even BTE. Ideally, you have it up or refreshed before going into your subterfuge window so you don't need to force it in.
If you have 5+ targets it's your number one combo point builder and should be used on CD (provided you're not overcapping, like if you have 4 combo points get to 5+. finish, and then send it.
If you have broadside active (the double combo point buff) you can send it at 3-4 targets on CD because it'll max out combo points from 0-1.
Now what I'll do also is situationally use it to fill out my combo points, so if I have 3 targets and I'm at 3 combo points I'll send it to get to 6 and finish, 4 combo points, and 2 targets, 2 combo points and 4 targets, etc. But that becomes a little much to take in every pull so following the base rules for it are perfectly fine
This guide is seriously amazing, I understand this is one of the most dynamic and high APM specs in wow, and you cannot ever learn it without a lot of trail and error, but even then this guide helped a lot !! Would appreciate it if you shared your weak auras too, they look awesome!
Would you share your weak auras? They look so clean 🙏
Here is my weakauras let me know if anything is off or needs to be updated
wago.io/P7o9RqKHj
Great guide! Lil bit of criticism though, this specific background music is incredibly annoying with the lady singing.
dually noted, i need some good elevator music lol
BTE has comes off CD and has no CD when you vanish so why do you have to wait until vanish when vanish resets it?
This was made before that change when vanish didn't reset the CD. Theres been a couple changes since the video but the primary gameplay is still the same, vanish and spam bte's. Rolls the bones logic is slightly different as well I reccomend checking out the rouge discord for the logic
@Susanoo_WoW any TLDR on the RTB logic changes? I thoroughly studied the logic in the video.
So the logic is mostly the same as the video and playing with that logic is fine. But if you want a little more in-depth side of the logic here it is.
Keep it Rolling or Count the Odds buffs that are higher duration than normal active roll the bones buffs will stay behind after a reroll Keeping that in mind, Keep it Rolling builds can follow these simple rules for Roll the Bones
- Roll the Bones when you won't be losing any buffs (this includes situations where all your buffs are from KIR or you have no buffs up. If you have KIR rolls that are lower duration than your new ones, rerolling will cancel those)
- Roll the Bones with Loaded Dice active and you will only be losing one buff (generally this means most of your buffs are from KIR, and you have a single normal buff that is lower duration then your KIR buffs)
- Roll the Bones with Loaded Dice active and a total of 1 or 2 buffs (this includes both normal and KIR/CTO buffs)
Also rolling during subterfuge is okay, supercharger is meant to be spent during subterfuge windows so holding your roll till after is a DPS loss
Hey. Do you use Sinister Strike even when you are in stealth? So no Ambush at all? Also, can you share your Sinister Strike macro?
Yea, keep it rolling doesn’t ever use ambush, not even in stealth
My SS macro is
#showtooltip
/cast Sinister Strike
/cast Ghostly Strike
@@Susanoo_WoW what the hel? never ambush? this is madness
It just cost to much energy in the KiR build, Hidden opportunity has half cost pistol shots as the other builder and has proc benefits attached to Ambush. So yup, no ambush
can you macro BTE over top of Dispatch? So if BTE is available itll use that if not dispatch?
No you can’t do conditional macros like that blizz doesn’t let it work that way
Nice comprehensive guide. Yiu stream on twitch?
twitch and youtube, the twith link is is the description. Havent streamed in a litte, work got busy and my mic arm broke so once the new one comes in ill be streaming more
Should I use AR even if I don't have any vanish charges but I will have in the middle of the AR window?
If vanish is that close just hang on to AR until it’s ready. You’ll get more AR uptime waiting for vanish. If you AR early and extend the last half of it with vanish and get good buffs that push you through your next vanish cooldown you’ll end up having to wait for AR to come back. If you hold it and vanish at ARs start you may be able to squeeze your second vanish in the last one or two seconds of AR and get another 6 seconds out of it
Are you able to export that UI? I reallllllllllllllllllllllly like it!
@susanoo
Do you mean my whole UI or just my weakauras?
Could you please share the Roll the bones / Keep it rolling WA ?
This is the RTB Buffs at the bottom right above my action bars
wago.io/OYHQ4y-Zq
This is the middle screen alerts
wago.io/Pd53s_NPU
Would you make a HO guide?
Yeah I could do an HO guide. A lot of similar principles outside of a few things so it shouldn't be hard
@@Susanoo_WoW thanks brother im having trouble really understanding mostly rotation/optimal vanish times. Like if i should dump all vanishes in opener, And haste cap for HO. Subbed
I don’t use keep it rolling. How much haste do I need for mythics? Thank you 🙏
if your using hidden opportunity and audacity its closer to 8-10% haste
Unlucky a deep dive video dropped 10 days before a new patch changing some things about the class :(
hopefully we see an update soon, this spec hurts my head a lil
guide is somehow outdated
Yeah the last update changed it a bit, but the primary rules of focusing on staying in stealth and BTE'ing still stand. Outside that rtb has a couple more rules now, you can bte more often, and you don't echoing reprimand anymore
still using dagger offhand? can't stand that bullshit
It’s technically better but honestly pretty negligible. I haven’t really used an OH dagger at all
god i wish outlaw just never happened. roll the bones is the most annoying ability in the game. so much RNG bs. combat was perfectly fine where it was. it never shouldve got ditched.
Sounds like you need to gamble more