Great video! Yes...I'd like to learn more about operating my station remotely. I've been reading that one may be able to even operate an antenna system that is at a different location from my shack. Love to learn more about that structure!! Thanks, Cal!!!
Your timing is uncanny- we just had a discussion on the feasibility of this on the drive out to Hamvention. A deep dive on this would be much appreciated! Will be watching for it.
Excellent I've done similar using tailscale to create a VLAN, then remote access to my pc and the connected radio a ftdx101 - no need to buy the scu-10. Also use my tailscale VLAN to access my other remote radio in the country a ic7300 using the rsba-1 software. The icom is direct connection so no need to remote to the server pc. Well done thanks for sharing your set-up.
We this is impressive and my new radio does not have remote control yet but the using google to help is just cool. Thank you and will have to give this a try.
Great stuff. I see how the Discord or SonoBus works between computers. But how do you get the radio audio into the host computer? Do you use the ARCP 990 to do that? (In my case it will be Win4Yaesu). Would one tap into the audio via that route?
Do you need a GSM switch in case the whole thing goes pair-shaped on TX and you need to cut the power? Probably not an issue with VOX SSB though since it will always (hopefully) fail silent if it fails.
Ideally, a totally independant switch would be nice that's not on the same network, sure.. I have 3-min timeout on TX right now and on a reboot for any reason, PC comes back on line. But I'm looking at 2 x further switches: Emergency-Off Radio and Emergency-Off Rig. Good question.
Cal, thanks for this video. Im situated in urban area, and attending a club in the city center, our antenna being a tuned long wire, I can feel all the noise and poor reception issues. So the plan is, to build a remote station in the countryside. Only problem is, this software operation may be a little bit annoying during contest, not being able to spin a huge VFO dial am I right? That's why I'm looking forward to buying TS480/IC7700 with detachable front panel, and substitute the stock cable with serial connection over internet. One guy from DL1 doing this, but it's kinda risky and experimental
RemoteHams is also free. You can host many operators at the same time. I've had up to a dozen on at the same timne. I use Anydesk to get into my station PC if I need too.
Yeah, I can demo that too.. Instead of AnyDesk Rob, try Chrome Remote (it might work even better, who knows), then you can disconnect and let folks use remote..
@@DXCommanderHQ I only use Anydesk to do things on the PC like approve new members in my remote or restart the RCFORB server. Start a livestream. I can also use it to operate FT8 on the rig set up with RemoteHams. Set freq with remote hams and then WSJT-X with Anydesk. I have two computers in my shack as I have 2 remote stations. So I use the second one to livestream when I have operators on my hf remote. I can access either remotely and set up and start OBS to Livestream. When I operate either remote station though, I only need to use RemoteHams. It also has built in interface for any auxiliary devices like amplifiers and rotators that are able to be computer interfaced.
We'll need to install remotehams for that .. actually maybe erm Team Viewer so that you don't need my Gmail account for remote sesktop.. Also Jonathan, I tried out another sound system last night with about 25ms latency. It's called SonoBus. Very easy. Take a look.
Callum, please can you make a video showing you to got the discord part to work with TX and RX? I've got a TS890S and ive been pulling thr little hair ive got left trying to get the bloody stupid Kenwood ARCP and the other software for making the tx and rx work on my remote pc and ive given up with trying to hear sound from the radio out in my shack, to a computer inside my house, and also to be able to tx audio in the same way. Cheers!
OK.. I promise I will.. Bottom line though is that just get your mind around the routing.. And actually, I have moved to Sonobus now.. It's easier, faster too. And it's peer-to-peer. Try it..
OK Jeff.. Assuming you can do digi-modes (FT8 etc) then we can get you working. WHilst we are waiting, see if you can at least download Chrome Remote Desktop on 2 x machines and at least start the control side of things.. If you are brave, you can then also move to SonoBus. It's an audio program. Works great. You will all of a sudden be away doing it :)
I think you can.. Surf here and do a search for word "remote".. www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0027/62991/amateur-terms.pdf - All it says is using remote wireless links..
@@DXCommanderHQ Take a look at this Cal - particularly slide 8: thamesarg.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/RC-via-IP.pdf I've read similar things elsewhere
Please go deep on this cal. I love connectivity solutions. Love the webcam for the amp! Would a router to router based VPN help? Both sites with the same ISP? Never tried it myself but I hear Virtual Audio Cable will work over IP.
Callum can you do a video about raising a vertical and performance? And with raising i mean from ground level to let's say 40 to 50cm above ground. Just for fun and learning. You can do it in software.. What will be the difference to SWR and radiation.
As a security conscious douchebag, I wonder how secure chrome remote desktop is. Did you have to punch any holes in your firewalls? I love this idea, will look into it. Thanks Callum!
You need 2 x accounts. Create a server and add yourself as a participant.. Then add a voice channel. Your Discord microphone on the remote end is actually your radio (mic) .. (so you can hear yourself) and your speakers on the remote end is the other way around.. Locally, configure as normal. COnnect both. Switch off ALL voice effects / auto loudness / noise removal etc.
Excellent! I have the same kind of setup with my remote station, but it’s using TeamViewer, HRD, Log4OM2 and the radio is a TS-850SAT, and it works brilliantly! Sadly, it’s an ADSL connection so there’s not enough upstream to have a panadapter display up and running, but I have a local WEBSDR a few km away from the remote station which seems to work just fine. The PC is an Intel Nuc which automatically starts up when it recognizes that the power is back. I am using a smart plug to turn everything on when it’s going to be used, and it’s turned off when everything’s supposed to be turned off. 73 de SA6KOD
Yes, I *was* using TeamViewer and I can't remember why I switched to Chrome Remote.. I think it might have been lesser bandwidth. I genuinely can't remember. SOund you also cracked it. I have a smart plug too and I am about to build a relay board for switching on other stuff with a small program..
I use the same type of setup, although I'm using a pi as the remote station PC: FLrig + TigerVNC + Mumble (voip). It would be nice to just use wfview but there is something very funky with it's audio transport.
Very nice and very usable solution. May be adding a kind of PTT with a mouseclick somewhere (arduino + python app or whatever) ? There are plenty of remote desktop systems (VNC, Microsoft, Teamviewer...), some of them are taking care of the sound. Personnaly I use ANYDESK. The TCP/IP trafic is not very high, the induced delay is correct, including for the sound in both directions. Thanks and 73 ! Olivier, F1SOC
Olivier.. I've moved to SonoBus for the audio because a) very low latency - about 35 ms) and also I can specify bandwith and see VU meters at the remote end..
@@kleinbiker1 That's what I do every Friday.. Have a listen to one of the livestreams. The trick is to get the delays just cock on. Not leave it as they come from factory. Tremendous benefits to setting your vox perfectly. I hear doubling and QRM half way through my over.
After this tax return filing over, I want to use your remote rig to call back my RX in Japan,. Elecraft and Yaesu , both with FT8 mod, so I will be testing my screw driver ANT:-). BTW these days I have urge to try Moon bounce, but ANT building is over my ability, I need a rig & ANT set like yours... Any Info? Appreciated 73 de JN1HRG
I also fancy moonbounce.. I have a 17 element (very old) Yagi in stock.. I need to work it all out..! Look at Justin's Inovantennas.. He does some fabulous Yagis.
This is what Ham radio is about, finding ways to make things work! Great video!
Haha yeah, lot of fun!
Yes, Lord Callum! Please do a deep dive into this! It will be hugely helpful! 🤠
You still wouldnt lift a finger. You just want entertainment, you bum
Great video! Yes...I'd like to learn more about operating my station remotely. I've been reading that one may be able to even operate an antenna system that is at a different location from my shack. Love to learn more about that structure!! Thanks, Cal!!!
Your timing is uncanny- we just had a discussion on the feasibility of this on the drive out to Hamvention. A deep dive on this would be much appreciated! Will be watching for it.
Give me a couple weeks.. Nearly there. Now have Acom 2000 control too.
Yes please. Cal may we have a deeper dive in how this works.
Wife : “no more new radio, you can operate remotely”. 😅
Excellent I've done similar using tailscale to create a VLAN, then remote access to my pc and the connected radio a ftdx101 - no need to buy the scu-10. Also use my tailscale VLAN to access my other remote radio in the country a ic7300 using the rsba-1 software. The icom is direct connection so no need to remote to the server pc.
Well done thanks for sharing your set-up.
Please Callum I would love to learn more.
OK
We this is impressive and my new radio does not have remote control yet but the using google to help is just cool. Thank you and will have to give this a try.
Please do a more involved instructional video on this topic - have been trying to figure out how to do this with my IC-7300. Thanks Jim KC3RFG 73!
Yes, OK..
5:08 YES! I would love to see a deep dive into this!
Will do :)
Thanks, Cal. Quite an effective setup.
I'd be interested in more details about the discord setup. Too bad about PTT.
OK Bill.. I have already moved on from Discord..! More details to come!
Oh BTW, that is one thing which makes a DXC so valuable on remote, no antennas to switch! (Unless your radio has multiple ports)
Good point. I discovered that tonight having a play!
Make a video on how you do it.
Deeper video.. OK.
Would love to know more about how to do this. Thanks in advance!
Will do..
Truly, a fuel saving thing
Great stuff. I see how the Discord or SonoBus works between computers. But how do you get the radio audio into the host computer? Do you use the ARCP 990 to do that? (In my case it will be Win4Yaesu). Would one tap into the audio via that route?
Audio.. Right out the back of the soundcard..
Will try to repeat your setup. Thanks
Have fun
I use VNC while doing digital modes from a tablet. Have not tried passing audio yet
The audio is the big hurdle for me, just cannot get it to work...they say just buy a Flex hihi $4K later
A walk around of the actual hardware would be good. Do you leave the radio switched on in the office, or can you switch it on and off via laptop?
I can switch it on and off. Sure, I can do a full walk around and you'll see..
Do you need a GSM switch in case the whole thing goes pair-shaped on TX and you need to cut the power? Probably not an issue with VOX SSB though since it will always (hopefully) fail silent if it fails.
Ideally, a totally independant switch would be nice that's not on the same network, sure.. I have 3-min timeout on TX right now and on a reboot for any reason, PC comes back on line. But I'm looking at 2 x further switches: Emergency-Off Radio and Emergency-Off Rig. Good question.
Cal, thanks for this video. Im situated in urban area, and attending a club in the city center, our antenna being a tuned long wire, I can feel all the noise and poor reception issues. So the plan is, to build a remote station in the countryside. Only problem is, this software operation may be a little bit annoying during contest, not being able to spin a huge VFO dial am I right? That's why I'm looking forward to buying TS480/IC7700 with detachable front panel, and substitute the stock cable with serial connection over internet. One guy from DL1 doing this, but it's kinda risky and experimental
Or.. you can run with a Flex 6400 and remote VFO maybe.
RemoteHams is also free. You can host many operators at the same time. I've had up to a dozen on at the same timne. I use Anydesk to get into my station PC if I need too.
Yeah, I can demo that too.. Instead of AnyDesk Rob, try Chrome Remote (it might work even better, who knows), then you can disconnect and let folks use remote..
@@DXCommanderHQ I only use Anydesk to do things on the PC like approve new members in my remote or restart the RCFORB server. Start a livestream. I can also use it to operate FT8 on the rig set up with RemoteHams. Set freq with remote hams and then WSJT-X with Anydesk.
I have two computers in my shack as I have 2 remote stations. So I use the second one to livestream when I have operators on my hf remote. I can access either remotely and set up and start OBS to Livestream. When I operate either remote station though, I only need to use RemoteHams. It also has built in interface for any auxiliary devices like amplifiers and rotators that are able to be computer interfaced.
@@ve3pcp I'm just saying that as an alternative to AnyDesk.. But OK!! :)
@@DXCommanderHQ Understood.
Nice to see it working in the ‘final’ version! When do I get to play? 😂
We'll need to install remotehams for that .. actually maybe erm Team Viewer so that you don't need my Gmail account for remote sesktop.. Also Jonathan, I tried out another sound system last night with about 25ms latency. It's called SonoBus. Very easy. Take a look.
LZ4DJ..Well thats thrown me out, I now keep thinking its Friday haha.. Great Pleasure as always mate, talk soon..
Haha yeah mate!!
Is there a list of radios that can transmit through the pc?
Any that has a USB port for comms and audio
Callum, please can you make a video showing you to got the discord part to work with TX and RX? I've got a TS890S and ive been pulling thr little hair ive got left trying to get the bloody stupid Kenwood ARCP and the other software for making the tx and rx work on my remote pc and ive given up with trying to hear sound from the radio out in my shack, to a computer inside my house, and also to be able to tx audio in the same way. Cheers!
OK.. I promise I will.. Bottom line though is that just get your mind around the routing.. And actually, I have moved to Sonobus now.. It's easier, faster too. And it's peer-to-peer. Try it..
A tutorial would be great. I've got a TS-2000 using ARCP.
OK Jeff.. Assuming you can do digi-modes (FT8 etc) then we can get you working. WHilst we are waiting, see if you can at least download Chrome Remote Desktop on 2 x machines and at least start the control side of things.. If you are brave, you can then also move to SonoBus. It's an audio program. Works great. You will all of a sudden be away doing it :)
Don't think foundation and intermediate licences are allowed to operate their rig remotely via the internet but I might be wrong.
I think you can.. Surf here and do a search for word "remote".. www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0027/62991/amateur-terms.pdf - All it says is using remote wireless links..
@@DXCommanderHQ Cheers Cal I'll take a look
@@DXCommanderHQ Take a look at this Cal - particularly slide 8: thamesarg.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/RC-via-IP.pdf
I've read similar things elsewhere
Please go deep on this cal. I love connectivity solutions. Love the webcam for the amp! Would a router to router based VPN help? Both sites with the same ISP? Never tried it myself but I hear Virtual Audio Cable will work over IP.
Both sides on same ISP would be cool but in testing late last night, I now have latency down to around 25 ms.
Callum can you do a video about raising a vertical and performance? And with raising i mean from ground level to let's say 40 to 50cm above ground. Just for fun and learning. You can do it in software.. What will be the difference to SWR and radiation.
OK, so difference between zero and 50cm will be zero. No need to demo that :)
As a security conscious douchebag, I wonder how secure chrome remote desktop is. Did you have to punch any holes in your firewalls? I love this idea, will look into it. Thanks Callum!
Yes. Like you, I am the same. Check this: www.reddit.com/r/teamviewer/comments/4n27lw/is_chrome_remote_desktop_as_or_more_secure_than/
@@DXCommanderHQ Thank you for the link Callum, enjoy your night!
How you configure discord?
You need 2 x accounts. Create a server and add yourself as a participant.. Then add a voice channel. Your Discord microphone on the remote end is actually your radio (mic) .. (so you can hear yourself) and your speakers on the remote end is the other way around.. Locally, configure as normal. COnnect both. Switch off ALL voice effects / auto loudness / noise removal etc.
Works like a charm. Thank you so much, 73 de 9Z4A
Excellent! I have the same kind of setup with my remote station, but it’s using TeamViewer, HRD, Log4OM2 and the radio is a TS-850SAT, and it works brilliantly! Sadly, it’s an ADSL connection so there’s not enough upstream to have a panadapter display up and running, but I have a local WEBSDR a few km away from the remote station which seems to work just fine.
The PC is an Intel Nuc which automatically starts up when it recognizes that the power is back. I am using a smart plug to turn everything on when it’s going to be used, and it’s turned off when everything’s supposed to be turned off.
73 de SA6KOD
Yes, I *was* using TeamViewer and I can't remember why I switched to Chrome Remote.. I think it might have been lesser bandwidth. I genuinely can't remember. SOund you also cracked it. I have a smart plug too and I am about to build a relay board for switching on other stuff with a small program..
I use the same type of setup, although I'm using a pi as the remote station PC: FLrig + TigerVNC + Mumble (voip). It would be nice to just use wfview but there is something very funky with it's audio transport.
I just moved to SonoBus for audio tonight. 30 ms latency. Blistering. And full radio quality. No digital artifacts.
This works with ANY ham radio?
Just about. Yes.
Wait for the comments of being a HAM for 55 yrs and this aint HAM radio...😂
Please show 'n tell Callum. 👍🤠
Will do..
Chrome remote desktop is how I listen to my SDR. Free is a good price.
Also (more recently I have discovered) RustDesk.. And if you only need sound, try Sonobus.
Very interesting. Thanks
Very nice and very usable solution. May be adding a kind of PTT with a mouseclick somewhere (arduino + python app or whatever) ?
There are plenty of remote desktop systems (VNC, Microsoft, Teamviewer...), some of them are taking care of the sound.
Personnaly I use ANYDESK. The TCP/IP trafic is not very high, the induced delay is correct, including for the sound in both directions.
Thanks and 73 !
Olivier, F1SOC
Olivier.. I've moved to SonoBus for the audio because a) very low latency - about 35 ms) and also I can specify bandwith and see VU meters at the remote end..
😲This is COOL! Hell, Works better than Skype! and using REAL RADIO!
Yeah :)
Cool set up but I’m sure that VOX situation is terrible to listen to on the other end.
It's not. Exactly same as I use every day at the office. AUdio comes in, mic opens. I have the delay at almost zero. And latency is now down to 25ms.
@@DXCommanderHQ I suppose. I can see it constantly going from TX to RX and back to TX every time you pause in speaking.
@@kleinbiker1 That's what I do every Friday.. Have a listen to one of the livestreams. The trick is to get the delays just cock on. Not leave it as they come from factory. Tremendous benefits to setting your vox perfectly. I hear doubling and QRM half way through my over.
@@DXCommanderHQ I get it. Listening to the streams though wouldn’t help me hear your transmissions. Guess I’ll have to catch you on the air sometime.
After this tax return filing over, I want to use your remote rig to call back my RX in Japan,. Elecraft and Yaesu , both with FT8 mod, so I will be testing my screw driver ANT:-).
BTW these days I have urge to try Moon bounce, but ANT building is over my ability, I need a rig & ANT set like yours... Any Info? Appreciated 73 de JN1HRG
I also fancy moonbounce.. I have a 17 element (very old) Yagi in stock.. I need to work it all out..! Look at Justin's Inovantennas.. He does some fabulous Yagis.
Am here in the lower48 states. USA 🇺🇸
Like to buy...red devil. Thunder. Pole. ....anyway to get over to states
great, just bought HRD 😠
That's OK, HRD works too..