"The View"--Argues over Gay Marriage
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- The Ladies on The View talk about the fight for Gay Marriage and Proposition 8. They also talk about the fight for equality for Gay and Lesbians and talk about the comparison of Gay rights to the civil rights movement.
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suffrage is the right to vote. please learn that word.
I was thinking that. they were using the word wrong!
jeejeem8 lol this is the word that disqualified me from the 7th grade spelling bee; I got second place over a word I should've known as a black man.
jeejeem8 ffs I'm 14 and even I know that world
Chris it's a word everyone should know.
jeejeem8 this is the cast if the view, how much more do you expect from them.
That's the big question. "How does me marrying my life partner hurt others" ? I'll wait.....
Kalondra Davis i see you’re still waiting 3 years later so ill answer: It doesn’t
It's about society.
Not just you individual..harming society is worse than harming just you..
geo metric sure, but it doesn’t harm society.
geo metric being gay causes none of those things, AIDS especially. Ever heard of protected sex? Single parents exist, gay or not. What’s going on in some of the African countries is terrible and American catholics have a lot to do with that. I’m not gonna waste time arguing on youtube when our view points are much too far apart for a productive conversation. Good luck to you.
@@angellawless7413 Do your own unbiased reasearch. You will see for yourself the truth that the western media suppresses. Do you think society would need 'protected sex' if people were monogamous? Research monogamy among homosexuals, you will be totally shocked. Just coz single parents exist doesn't mean we should endorse a motherless or fatherless union as 'family unit'. African countries have solidarity and think for themselves. They take the pulse of their societies and make their decisions. They are discouraging homosexual propaganda (same with Putin by the way), and have tough laws to safeguard their own borders.
Do these people actually not know that suffrage has nothing to do with suffering?
Thomas P looool I was thinking it means the right to vote 😂 not exactly the brightest of people
Thomas P well it is The View...
I know, Whoopi, the self-appointed-knower-of-all-or-will- cram-her-opinion-down-your-throat-on-TV" didn't make it to English class (or history class). She only worries about being black, therefore she missed the boat on the "Women's Suffrage" movement. She is an idiot. She is constantly ranting about how EVERYTHING exists to suppress blacks and discounts that some people see the covenant of marriage between a man and a woman is one that is being trampled on. Like trans wanting to use the ladies room, gays are not happy with a civil union (which is open to everyone -- and should be - as it is the government sticking their nose in our business). They want churches to be FORCED to wed them in their religious ceremonies (after they stop off at the Christian baker and FORCE him to make them a cake, etc.) . . .
You appear to be a piece of work KenneyGirl. So in your opinion it lowers the value of marriage if the wrong People get it? So if homeless People could drive around in Ferraris, would that change anything about the quality of the Cars?
Have you ever seen a properly transitioned trans Person? I would really love to see your Face the first time a big and buff Guy enters the Womens bathroom, since thats where you want them.
As for Marriage, you have your beliefs and even if you do not approve, there are millions of Homosexuals that share your faith including the sanctity of Marriage. Funny thing is, first off you should learn to differenciate between Marriage (Church) and Marriage (State). A Church and Priest may decline to marry a Gay couple, however that affects only their spiritual connection. A Civil Union is not the same as a Marriage for the State and you dont nearly get the same benefits. Thats not special treatment, they only demand their relationships to be recognised just like everyone elses.
Just to make one thing clear, nobody should be forced to do anything they dont want and I hate those assholes that sued just because they were not served. However beside that, your faith should not impact how others life their life. There are countless of Churches who perform Wedding ceremonies for same sex couples and in their faith its okay.
maximumrisk2004 About 85% of what I said is what you said - but you took it and slammed it back as some sort of insult - like you made it up. I believe I said that the government had no business deciding who could marry. Every government union should be "civil" union. And the government should not be able to say who and who cannot get "hitched" if they are to be in the business. "A properly trans . . . whatever." There is no such thing as a person "transitioning" to a different chromosomal entity. As usual, hate comes from the left.
"Re-defining the word marriage" You mean the word that was used for when a father sold his daughter?
LOL PREACH! These people have watched too much Disney and TLC wedding specials. News flash - marriage historically and currently isn't as sacred as you think...
lmfao
For a goat
Sherri Shepherd disqualified herself from arguing about anything after saying that the Earth is flat.
If people don't believe she's that stupid, search TH-cam for:
'Sherri Shepherd thinks the world is flat'
IM WITH YOU ON THAT
Do you know what the earth looks like? have you seen it with your own eyes?
Be careful what you say calling other people stupid, they might make a valid point that you cannot answer, making you look as stupid.
kassop
Is that _you_ in the picture?
(Btw.....yes, this is me.)
I hate the term "sexual preference". Its not a preference, that indicates a level of choice. You have no choice in your sexual orientation. If you did, nobody would be gay because that life is so much harder.
PREACH
Amen
Exactly. It’s a sexual orientation.
I also find it disgusting when folks call it a “lifestyle”. Again, we choose our lifestyles.
Exactly.
john buckley I say this all the time! Why would I choose a life that I know will be harder!?
I love the fact that whoopi Goldberg isn't offended by the fact they compared the gay rights movement to the civil rights movement because she's black. She actually took the time to see where they were coming from and that there's no ill intent behind it. She's honestly amazing. She's the kind of person that would get married to another woman to prove a point haha. She's an amazing human❤️
Chloe Hume Lots of black people do find it offensive. The two aren't comparable.
Ahava Gays were being brutalized before slavery so.
BijinXOXO you’re right. The black struggle was nothing compared to the gay struggle.
Dorian Graye a stud musta swiped yo bitch lol why u mad?
It’s essentially the same thing. ‘Being mistreated because of who you are.” First it was women, then African Americans, then gays.
Watching this 10 years later is quite insightful because it’s legal everywhere!
You're wrong...it's still not legal "everywhere"...
I'm talking like around the world not the U.S.
Belcalis Almanzar This video is about America! Not the rest of the world.... So of course when I said, “everywhere “...... I was talking in reference to America!
Agreed
Joe T When u are talking on online, u have to really be specific for the idiots who don’t get it behind the context of what u said. Sarcasm also isn’t good to use online because some folks will take what u say literally.
Marriage isn't a religious event anymore. It's what the law calls a contract for 2 people who are in love.
Freedomed to death 1
government laws do not have the right to change what it did not create.
keeping it real ...government laws don't change what they didn't create, they only give everybody the access to that.
Freedomed to death EXACTLY
You’re right, it’s a contract between two people, accept they don’t even need to be in love. There is no interview or check box on the form that asks if they’re in love. So it’s simply a contract between two people, uniting their assets.
suffrage = voting
I don't blame them for not knowing what the word means, but I'm appalled that they don't don't know or didn't take the time to learn before speaking on such an important issue.
Word. These topics are obviously fed to them ahead of time. How could you possibly not research or care enough to educate yourself on this before going on live TV...
Elizabeth represents many people in this country who don't seem to understand what the Constitution is about. This is not a country of voting for what the Constitution dictates. Yes, you vote to elect a President -- you are voting for someone to represent you. You do not get to vote for who deserves "Inalienable Rights" "That all men are created equal". The entire point of the constitution and the so called "Activist Judges" is to guarantee that everyone in this country shares equal protection under the law; even those whom you do not share an opinion with or agree with. There is no "gay marriage". There is only Marriage, a legal contract to which a portion of the population have been wrongly denied.
cornflkeboy1 You have entirely ignored the separation of church and State, yet the Constitution guarantees the right of free religious belief. The word 'marriage' is found (only) in religious ceremony called 'marriage', this is a wedding performed by a (religious) church. The same (wedding) is performed under civil law in a Civil Court, this also a union of two consenting people. Is it 'religion' you are trying to establish by 'gay marriage', then see what the Constitution says about the sanctity of the church, and the right to deny religious 'marriage' where they believe it a sin... Start your own religion, much of it is already obvious in America.
DeWayne Benson I am not concerned with the religious institution of marriage. If the Catholic church does not want to marry me, I certainly have no interest in forcing them to. What I am speaking of is the Civil institution. It is a legal recognition and status, and ALL citizens are guaranteed equal protection under the law. Legislators cannot pick and choose who deserves to be protected under law and who doesn't.
Correct, you have your protection found within the US Constitution (civil law), not religious ceremony of marriage. Although Christians will tell you, as I will also, your eternal security is found only with God.
cornflkeboy1 I think you are right. What you wrote is logical, just and true to the intent and meaning of the Constitution. I am not an American. I am a New Zealander. I live in New Zealand. Our government voted voted in favour of gay marriage in my country several years back. Australia is yet to follow.
You both bring up great points. The name of the form people fill out at a courthouse is for a marriage license. That license does not end with just being considered "married" it also grants a lot of other benefits. The ability to make decisions as a family member in an emergency situation and other things. I do believe a church that does not want to marry a same-sex couple has that right. There are many churches that will do that though,
It’s funny how in just 10 years you can already see who was on the right side of history.
Ben Leal 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Absolutely. Empathy for others, belief in happiness for OTHERS not just yourself will always be on the right side of history!!
@@KevenTalks Empathy for Incest, Polygamy, Polyandry, etc, not just empathy for your own predilections. Well said!
Ben Leal - Agreed. I bet the two on the right are embarrassed when they look back on this now.
@@robinrobyn1714 okay Karen
Whoopi did really well in this one. Thanks old girl!
writingme exactly. And she’s completely right.
@DuB OnE DUB ONE Really? why?
DuB OnE DUB ONE you’re literally insane.
@@hatebs4982 don't respond to it lmao
@DuB OnE DUB ONE If you could show me just ONE verse in the Bible that says being gay is a sin, I'd be most grateful. But I guarantee you won't be able to.
I'm a straight(metrosexual)man with gay friends, and ill tell you right now they are some of the most giving respectful and caring people I have ever met...if it came down to it, I would die for them...they are my family and friends.....................
wtf???
@abc123 I truly wish your father was gay...then we wouldn't be having your opion,because YOU gay boy wouldn't have been born.
@abc123 God created mankind and gave them freewill. That's means mankind walks with God or walks away from God...that's free will incase you didn't know.
I will not defend my knowledge any longer with you.
But, I will say...I truly wish your mother and father were gay...we would not be having this conversation. Have a nice life, it doesn't last very long boy...on that day n you'll see and it will be too late.
@abc123 I'm don't trying to fix stupid...nothing can fix stupid.
We love you 👏🏽❤️🏳️🌈
omg they don't even know what suffrage means...
Dumb! I knew immediately what suffrage meant! Did anybody tell them?
Kris Wilhite lol atleast Whoopi actually said she’s not sure what that word actually means lol
@@meriah10 my history teacher from high school is flipping over in his grave and I now feel compelled to share this sorry excuse for an intelligent panel on Facebook. Sheri tried to take over the confusion of the hosts and sounded soooo stupid without realizing it. Proves they are merely there to sit in the chairs! This clip is pivotal in my opinions of that show. Something tells me Sharon Osborne and the Conner chick would have never been so embarrassingly uneducated in their vocabulary! I wonder if anyone told them.. oh I said that already!
Kris Wilhite agreed
Suffrage means the right to vote; so, "Black Suffrage" means blacks getting the right to vote!!
AynRandy69 That was resolves for black men in 1870 and women in 1920. Thank you Republicans.
@Nina Razzo Except the ending of slavery and giving women the right to vote as well as many other things.
people hating people when will it stop
***** thank you jack
+Jack Jameson I can't tell if you're serious or because my name 😐
***** lololol hear that one ALOT
***** yes on purpose
***** the Chinese have already started making their own islands in the ocean :(
Gay couple who love eachother: banned
Angry heterosexual couple who give eachother hell: accepted.
Logic.
Sir Walter Really Sir I don't care about what you said it is a constitutional right to the presuit of happiness our filth is our right weather u like it or not
we all do
Vick Marshall Proud hetero. Ah yes, the typical ad hominem response. So articulate and cerebral. Let me guess, still putting tacks in Mrs. Crabapple's chair at school?
NAMBLA meeting get out early, Petey Poof? The only thing you could punch would be a child.
Wow. Watching this feels like a different world! It's amazing how far we've come in just 11 years. It's also interesting to see how are involvement in political issues as a society has deepened over the last decade.
Totally. But we still have some way to go 🙌🏼
I agree! Things definitely aren't perfect, but seeing how much things have changed within a decade, is pretty amazing. Whoopi the MVP.
As a man who came to America as a wide eyed young man from Ireland in 1963, I have met a few of the Gay lads on jobs in the work i do which is Construction and they were good workers and decent people. In this world of terrible goings on, i think if 2 people Love each other and want to get married?, then we should raise our glasses and wish them all the blessings of Heaven..
@DuB OnE DUB ONE That's how god created them, just like gay people. There will always be gay people get used to it.
@DuB OnE DUB ONE Is that all one sentence? you sound drunk and crazy.
@DuB OnE DUB ONE hey dub i think you for got a letter in your name let me correct it for you DUMB ON E DUMB ONE
God Bless you but the LGBT struggle for civil rights doesn't diminish the Civil Rights Movement and treatment of African Americans.
you are right. they were both strong battles, & they are both far from over.
Yeah, this isn't pie
You are right. Besides, there are plenty of LGBTQ people who are black or come from other minorities. BAYARD RUSTIN was a major leader in the Civil Rights Movement and he was gay. What is wrong with living and allowing others to live ? Why not get worked up about the awful way the rich countries exploit the peoples of the THIRD WORLD, or the warmongers in societies - THAT is a great sin if ever there was one. Any kind of inequality is wrong.
Elisabeth's voice makes me want to gauge out my eardrums with a fork
LOL!
She’s such a baby
😅😅😅😅😅
people arguing about gay rights without gay people present is like men deciding women’s rights without female representation
Fascinating to watch this in 2021. Thankful to Whoopi for her argument
They didn't know what the word suffrage meant? What the fuck? What the fuck?!
Linkfanoftheyear Eh, I don't think it was that nuanced. She said "I'll just leave it alone" and then Joy says "It has the word suffer in it" and then Sherri goes on and explains it incorrectly. I think it's clear that they did not know the definition of the word suffrage haha. I respect your input though.
+Linkfanoftheyear You don't seem to know what it means, either. Suffrage is not the state of suffering, but the right to vote.
ha yeah my bad :)
+Linkfanoftheyear YAYAYAY ZELDA!!!
I didn't even remember until today lol
As someone who has been married 10 years now to my husband, it almost seems like a lifetime ago that we were fighting for our right to marry. These TH-cam clips from just 15 years ago show how recent and raw it truly is for so many people in this country... fighting to not be considered second class citizens. Wow.
As a gay black man I totally agree with what Whoopi said. In my own words, it's the same fight, gay rights are civil rights and that battle should have ended the same time civil rights did. I never chose to be gay, black, or an American! Yet here I am in this hateful world with so many hypocrites and bigots, but I'm the demon.
Doesn't matter what color you are or what sex you are or what nationality you are. There is NO way getting around the Word of God about what sin is.
I have my own relationship with God, I'm not here for any man's approval nor understanding.
19cosmo91 You can think what you want, but Jesus says HE is the ONLY way to the Father so if you don;t believe this you are calling Jesus a liar and are not headed to Heaven. Only Jesus can forgive sin and provide salvation.
truthdottcom
19cosmo91< You can think what you want, but Jesus says HE is the ONLY way to the Father>
So, do people that live in the jungle or in parts of the world where they have never heard the Gospel, do they go to hell if they never even had the chance to accept or reject Jesus? Since "Jesus says HE is the ONLY way to the Father"? Is that in any way, shape, or form the way a kind and JUST God acts if he does?
truthdottcom Omg you're an idiot. How many different ways must I say I believe in the Lord? That I have faith in Him and His son? God made me this way, so are you doubting His will? His intentions and His plan?
Struggles should never be compared it's flat out disrespectful
Word.
Comparing and relating are two different things. This was relating as there were no comparisons on how much of a struggle either movement has had. I agree with your comment though :)
well gay marriage and interracial marriage can be compared
soccerislife We are aware that they can be compared, but it is distasteful to do so.
TRUE
Whoopi is a real wise person. Kudos to her.
She knows what it means (voting rights)....she's uncertain as to how that word came to fruition to describe voting protection
Didn't know Sponge bob was a fan of Whoopi
Uber subjective.
Joy and Whoopi have always had consistent views and I applaud them for that!
The measure of a civilization is how it treats its weakest members - Mahatma Gandhi.
And the true measure of a misinformed libtard with nothing intelligent to say is to quote dead Indians.
You live a sad existence it's so obvious just by reading what you wrote. I wouldn't want to trade lives with someone as angry and pathetic as you in a million years.
tosheatower sorry what is this going to achieve
Jesus Christ is Lord. Accept him as your savior and be saved for eternity. The consequences of acting or not are DIRE.
@@sirwalterreally8805 Yada yada yada!
"I don't want the words 'drinking fountain' or 'washroom' redefined by the fact that black people are allowed to use them as well."
100%...so odd to me that someone being black (Sherri) wouldn't inform them on the common experience of ALL marginalized groups.
I just came here to read the comments *grabs popcorn*
Marriage has constantly been redefined over the years. It’s no longer about property and possession, a joining of assets and powers and securing an heir. It’s more about love. Don’t tell me that something two drunk strangers can get in Las Vegas is more sacred than what a loving same sex couple can get.
Our kids in 20-30 years will be saying “this is the stupidest shit I ever seen people argue about... I can’t breath!”
You don't have to wait that long, I just watched this clip and 14 years later, I thought it was the stupidest shit I have seen in a while. Whiny Liz and the other talking about ruining the sanctity of marriage... ha. Meanwhile, they've been married and divorced and here I am with my same husband of 10 years. LOL!
Okay. If 2 men get married that's nobody's business. Same if 2 women get married. Nobody's business. That his or her choice. People need to get lives of their own. Stop hating on people who want to live their lives the way he or she wants to.
See here is why I am with gay marriage: allow it and don't get married in the church because they don't allow it in doctrine. There is a separation of church and state so don't force the gay marriage in churches and don't force your religious believe in politics.
Politics, justice and religion are interrelated, Canada and America were founded on Christian Values, our Forefathers believed in the Bible, they followed it, we are ONE NATION under GOD, our American and Canadian justice systems are 100% founded on the THE TEN COMMANDMENTS, you can't separate them for as long as you live you will never be able to separate God from our Countries, we belong to Him, our laws, our politics although have strayed from sound judgement are still first and foremost based on the TEN COMMANDMENTS. It is still wrong to kill, to lie, to steal, to covet, to commit adultery, to disrespect your parents and or elders, however who in heaven and earth gave us the right to omit the first 4 Commandments; Worship God only, Don't have any idols before Him, don't use His name in a dishonorable manner and keep One day a week Holy unto HIM and for rest? If we are going to follow good sensible laws we should follow all of them not pick and choose to follow what suits us or else we will bring judgement on ourselves...God is Not dead, God is there whether you accept it or not, whether you acknowledge Him or ignore Him, the fact still remains that HE IS GOD and He rules !
Silvie Grimard Even though they believed in a religion (I do not think it was Catholicism but I'll need to check) they also wrote that there is a separation between church and state so that it doesn't take over politics. So yes there are things that relate in government such as not to kill or steal, but that is a moral thing in itself. And in my personal opinion when people talk about the 10 commandments, they say to follow it word by word. But in the 10 Commandments it never says anything about marriage. So you can't follow that alone. And on the pick and chose issue, some would argue that they pick and choose about being against gay people, but skip over the part where you can't eat shrimp and wear a poly-blend shirt. So this is why it should be separate- because no matter what church cannot interfere in political matters and the state cannot interfere in church matters, unless it involves law-breaking things. The only thing a religion can do is have the people vote.
Silvie Grimard
Honey, buy yourself a history book and go to reading classes. When you have learned to read , you'll find out, that Americans stole the country from Indians, killing most of them, and the rest were put in reservations. So there is ABSOLUTELY NO GLORY about the foundation of the country. IDIOT!!!
And you can throw the fiction fairy tales out, you will be no wiser from reading them.
Silvie Grimard Guess again! You might hear a lot of evangelical talk coming from some American politicians (usually conservatives) but you'll rarely hear it from a Canadian politician. We don't like that. Our country was not founded on the Ten Commandments. It had a hard enough time getting started. It didn't need to worry about referring to the Bible for every decision as well. I don't think God was ever mentioned in any incarnation of the Canadian Constitution. As it does today, Canada was obviously aware of the many religious sects of its citizens at that time and didn't think it wise to favour any one religion by involving it in the laws of the nation,
As for the present day, well Trudeau made sure the "state" stayed out of "the bedrooms of the nation" when he decriminalized homosexual acts in 1969. He also "almost" quoted a Toronto journalist by adding that "what's done in private between adults doesn't concern the Criminal Code."
He also legalized contraception and breathalyzers for suspected drunk drivers and got rid of the death penalty. Though I suspect he rolls over in his grave every time some murdering scumbag gets paroled after 12 years.
Skyler Adams Actually, the words separation of church and state are not found anywhere in the Constitution.
I will never understand why Conservative Christians constantly talk about wanting less government intrusion in their lives UNTIL it comes to what goes on in the privacy of my own bedroom!
MAYBE BECAUSE YOU DON'T KEEP IT IN YOUR BEDROOM
KUUIPO MAKALANI Hide yo kids Hide yo wives, gay people coming into yo home and havi'n sex on yo beds... oh wait, they're not.....
AHH PAINT YOUR PICTURE , YOU PAINT IT WELL,, AND ALSO I WILL PAINT MINE
"Faith or Works of the Law" Messenger: ~Liliuokalani Makalani~
Galatians 3
3 You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. 2 I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard? 3 Are you so foolish? After beginning by means of the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by means of the flesh?[a] 4 Have you experienced[b] so much in vain-if it really was in vain? 5 So again I ask, does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you by the works of the law, or by your believing what you heard? 6 So also Abraham “believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”[c]
7 Understand, then, that those who have faith are children of Abraham. 8 Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham: “All nations will be blessed through you.”[d] 9 So those who rely on faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.
10 For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.”[e] 11 Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because “the righteous will live by faith.”[f] 12 The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, it says, “The person who does these things will live by them.”[g] 13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole.”[h] 14 He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.
The Law and the Promise
15 Brothers and sisters, let me take an example from everyday life. Just as no one can set aside or add to a human covenant that has been duly established, so it is in this case. 16 The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say “and to seeds,” meaning many people, but “and to your seed,”[i] meaning one person, who is Christ. 17 What I mean is this: The law, introduced 430 years later, does not set aside the covenant previously established by God and thus do away with the promise. 18 For if the inheritance depends on the law, then it no longer depends on the promise; but God in his grace gave it to Abraham through a promise.
19 Why, then, was the law given at all? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come. The law was given through angels and entrusted to a mediator. 20 A mediator, however, implies more than one party; but God is one.
21 Is the law, therefore, opposed to the promises of God? Absolutely not! For if a law had been given that could impart life, then righteousness would certainly have come by the law. 22 But Scripture has locked up everything under the control of sin, so that what was promised, being given through faith in Jesus Christ, might be given to those who believe.
Children of God
23 Before the coming of this faith,[j] we were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed. 24 So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. 25 Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.
26 So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, 27 for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise. AMEN~
Prayer: HEAVENLY FATHER ,HELP US TO REALIZE, WE ARE NO LONGER UNDER THE LAW, BUT GRACE..... ~LILIUOKALANI MAKALANI~
KUUIPO MAKALANI
Frodo: I wish the ring had never come to me. I wish none of this had happened.
Gandalf: So do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us. There are other forces at work in this world Frodo, besides the will of evil. Bilbo was meant to find the Ring. In which case, you were also meant to have it. And that is an encouraging thought.
Galadriel: It all began with the forging of the Great Rings. Three were given to the Elves; immortal, wisest and fairest of all beings. Seven, to the Dwarf Lords, great miners and craftsmen of the mountain halls. And nine, nine rings were gifted to the race of Men, who above all else desire power. For within these rings was bound the strength and the will to govern over each race. But they were all of them deceived, for another ring was made. In the land of Mordor, in the fires of Mount Doom, the Dark Lord Sauron forged in secret, a master ring, to control all others. And into this ring he poured all his cruelty, his malice and his will to dominate all life. One ring to rule them all. One by one, the free peoples of Middle Earth fell to the power of the Ring. But there were some who resisted. A last alliance of men and elves marched against the armies of Mordor, and on the very slopes of Mount Doom, they fought for the freedom of Middle-Earth. Victory was near, but the power of the ring could not be undone. It was in this moment, when all hope had faded, that Isildur, son of the king, took up his father's sword. And Sauron, enemy of the free peoples of Middle-Earth, was defeated. The Ring passed to Isildur, who had this one chance to destroy evil forever, but the hearts of men are easily corrupted. And the ring of power has a will of its own. It betrayed Isildur, to his death. And some things that should not have been forgotten were lost. History became legend. Legend became myth. And for two and a half thousand years, the ring passed out of all knowledge. Until, when chance came, the ring ensnared a new bearer. The ring came to the creature Gollum, who took it deep into the tunnels under the Misty Mountains, and there it consumed him. The ring gave to Gollum unnatural long life. For five hundred years it poisoned his mind; and in the gloom of Gollum's cave, it waited. Darkness crept back into the forests of the world. Rumor grew of a shadow in the East, whispers of a nameless fear, and the Ring of Power perceived. Its time had now come. It abandoned Gollum. But then something happened that the Ring did not intend. It was picked up by the most unlikely creature imaginable. A hobbit, Bilbo Baggins, of the Shire. For the time will soon come when hobbits will shape the fortunes of all...
See i can quote long ass shit too, but my stuff is cool :P
FACT IS FACT , AND APPEARS AS FACT , FICTION IS FICTION AND APPEARS AS SUCH ..AS FOR YOU OOOOO LOOK AT YOUUUU YOU ARE SOO CHILDISH... SOO TRUST AS A CHILD DOES >>For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.”[e] 11 Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because “the righteous will live by faith.”[f] 12 The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, it says, “The person who does these things will live by them.”[g] 13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole.”[h] 14 He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.
"I may not agree with what you say but I will defend your right yo say it" -Voltaire.. In other words I may not agree with your lifestyle but I will not deny the life you choose to live, reason you're not causing harm to others nor me... It's none of my business, literally....
Excellent message!! It's a shame that more people don't think this way!
Idk why Elizabeth keeps saying "redefine marriage" when marriage has so many definitions historically and culturally
Mexycan Karencita The bible deems many things "sins". Do you abide by all of them, or just pick and choose the ones that suit you?
You try to avoid all sin, however habitual sin which is a conscious sinning even thou you know God says it is sin. Of course, we are all born sinners and there is no one good in God's eyes, even thou He loves us - this is why He made a way for our sins to be forgiven thru Christ Jesus. When you are Born Again in Jesus, you repent of your sin, especially from the habitual sin and follow Him. You will always sin while in this flesh, but it is something we need to run from as best possible. You cannot see the Kingdom of God is you like the darkness and decide to stay in sin consciously.
truthdottcom
ALL sin is conscious!
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That comment isn't backed up by Scripture.
Sir Walter Really
I never said it was.
That is exactly what I was thinking. Thank you!!!
The Bible never prohibited the possession of slaves but actually gave instructions on how to regulate slavery. But it prohibited pork. I wouldn't get my morality from such foolishness.
What verse.
TheYakuza49 Leviticus 25:44-46
As for your male and female slaves whom you may have: you may buy male and female slaves from among the nations that are around you. You may also buy from among the strangers who sojourn with you and their clans that are with you, who have been born in your land, and they may be your property. You may bequeath them to your sons after you to inherit as a possession forever. You may make slaves of them, but over your brothers the people of Israel you shall not rule, one over another ruthlessly.
Exodus 21:20-21
“When a man strikes his slave, male or female, with a rod and the slave dies under his hand, he shall be avenged. But if the slave survives a day or two, he is not to be avenged, for the slave is his money.
Ephesians 6:5
"Slaves, obey your earthly masters with fear and trembling, with a sincere heart, as you would Christ"
Prohibiting pork? Nope.
Matt Schultz Yes it does. So does islam and Judaism by the way.
Hi Dswizzle90...I think you really need to read the bible that you follow. Maybe then you'd see it for what it really is. As for god freeing the slaves of Egypt...it never happened anywhere except in the bible. There is no extra biblical evidence to support the claim!
Why are people so concerned about what two consenting adults are doing. As long as they aren't committing any crimes or breaking any laws, who gives a damn!!! Why should I care if you get married to a male, female or both. If all parties involved are competent consenting adults, stay the hell out of others people's business.
"As long as they aren't committing any crimes or breaking any laws" Same Sex marriage is against the law.
Aren't you proving that you care by watching this video?
Same sex marriage is against the law in some places in the western world, but not for much longer!
boc1953
Thats good, soon brothers can marry their sisters, a grand dad can marry his grand son, yeyy great future in the name of love.
kassop Too bad plenty of states have allowed cousin marriages for much longer than same-sex marriages, with plenty of these states still banning same-sex marriage (as in specifically outlawing it in their constitutions) while still allowing cousin marriages. If cousin marriages haven't lead to grand/parent-child marriages or sibling marriages by now, same-sex marriage sure as hell won't do it.
I need Joy taking a sip at 6:35 a gif so much. She's like "are you f--king kidding me Hasslebeck?"
It was about ten years ago.
Let's them talk again now and that would be so interesting how the time has changed.
The definition of suffrage is the right to vote! Not suffering.
i love WHOOPI! she spoke so eloquently about the gay rights issue...thank you!
Marriage is overrated.
Plot twist, Barack approved gay marriage
Alejandro Villalobos no he didn't
@Eric Ryan The supreme court did it, Obama just happened to be President, he had nothing to do with it. Know the facts before you call somebody else stupid.
83jdc1 He was against it in 2009 bc it had religious connotations lmao
@Eric Ryan stop it, you don't know the facts, the Supreme court made Gay marriage legal, not Obama. His personal belief was irrelavant.
@@83jdc1 To be clear Obama didnt "approve gay marriage" but he did do several things to help make it a reality. This included ordering his justice department to not argue against the suit that was before the supreme court, Filing an amicus brief in the Prop 8 case, and became the first sitting president to come out in favor of gay marriage which of course had an effect on public opinion and therefore The Supreme Court (rightly or wrongly many of the courts rulings take into account public opinion). In addition Obama had appointed two justices (Sotomayor and Kagan) to the court that ruled in favor of gay marriage (in a tight 5-4 decision) and certainly he took that into account along with a host of other issues when selecting them for the bench.
Can't have homophobia being brought up without religion.
+nick peter You can. One reason is ignorance, even without religion, ignorance can exist. And religion can be similar to ideologies, some of those are anti gay too.
There is a difference between feeling uncomfortable in a lockerrom with someone thats gay but not give a fuck what they do behind closed doors and someone who thinks hateful things towards the LGBT community.
I'm gay, I know what its like growing up in a fucked up environment. I also know its grating to go against the expected "norm". I get why some people feel uncomfortable...but hate is a whole different subject. That is something that can only be brought out through a belief system, even if its from some archaic book used to brainwash the ignorant.
+nick peter You cannot diagnose a fake disorder, without trashing the real truth concepts of the bible...
+theuglykwan Thousands of years before the whikkke sex gay rights agenda in Amerikkka...THE WORD OF GOD IN LEVITICUS 18:22 said "THOU SHOULD NOT LIE WITH MAN AS WITH WOMAN. IT IS ABOMINATION!!!
tightend4 Ah the old testament, the one that endorses murder/rape and slavery...and if we go look at the new testament we get a story that is plagiarized off of several other "religious prophets" like Krishna, Horus, Dionysus and several others.
"Thousands of years before..." are you serious...like wtf. You're talking about a time where people believed the world was flat and the earth was the center of the universe. People didn't know anything and didn't have the capabilities to expand there knowledge without society condemning them.
Also fake disorder? Faking feelings...so being with someone you love unconditionally is fake, but when religious leaders rape and marry 16 year old girls its called real love?
And a disorder? You do know homosexuality is common in nature, even in animals that mate for life? And let me guess your reply "we're not animals!!!!" Evolution says otherwise, but if we are going to go on the theory that animals are "unchanging creatures with only simple instinct"...then that just describes you.
Gay marriage became legal.
And OH MY GOSH THE WORLD CRUMBLED!
j/k everything’s fine.
Im gay, there are similarities, but not the same, coming from a gay black man.
What i find funny about the view is that the oldest ones are the most progressive and the youngest ones are conservative lol
Wow, not a single person knew the meaning of suffrage on that panel. How low does the bar need to be.
Does ANYONE know that sufferage means the right to vote....Ugh!
THANK YOU!!!
I remember seeing this when it aired and I kept saying to the television "suffrage means the right to vote...."
I just want to be able to legally marry, in a way that, I can add my parter to a good health insurance and dental insurance plan through my job, and leave them my Social Security, and pension if I die first. And to make sure that they are taken care of.
The word marriage comes from the bible, and God designed it to be between a man and a woman, period. I think if same-sex couples want a way to be unified, it should be called something else. That way they're legally unified and can do all of the stuff you mentioned.
Donny Hathaway---You're right when you say what I think doesn't matter. But what God thinks does matter. I made a reference to the bible in my previous comment. At the end of the day, what you do is between you and God, and I'm not here to judge you. And who said you were a second class citizen because you're gay??? My brother is gay and I certainly don't think he's a second class citizen! I wish you the very best.
@@anonymousperson1327 no human being who are bigot Miss translate the Bible and use it for bigotry.
Marriage is between two people who love each other regardless of gender sexuality our religion or culture. The Bible is man written.
@@mikaylaraymond3173 - The bible is inspired by God. Are you discrediting the bible?
What are the odds that out of four women on a talk-show panel not one of them knows what 'suffrage' means? WTF?
How does a gay marriage affect a heterosexual marriage? Does it change how you go to work? or come home to your wife? Or when you have dinner or mow your lawn? Does it change how you do your taxes or write a check? Does it raise prices at the grocery store or lower the price of gas?
YOUR life is YOURS! so let others live their own lives!!!!!!!!
Almost ten years later, Marriage is marriage is marriage. It was funny and infuriating watching blonde Becky/Elizabeth saying "Oh... call it something else."
Bitch, make NO mistake. My marriage to my husband is a Marriage with a capital fucking *M*.
In the middle east, africa, some parts of asia etc. You could be put in jail, murdered or beheaded JUST for being gay. My cousin had a gay male friend in Dubai, and when a guard saw him kissing his boyfriend in their car, he called the cops and they were both sentenced to jail for 18 years. That's fucking ridiculous! Things are even worse in other places like Iraq, where young gay teenagers were tortured and crushed with cement blocks until they died. So yes, things might not be very bad for homosexuals in America, but they are living in hell in other countries. Open your eyes people and stop discriminating.
There are certain parallels between the black struggle and the gay struggle, but what I find even more weird about this discussion is that we are discussing these two groups as if they are exclusive. Does it not occur to anyone that black gay people exist? With this understanding, it's clear that you cannot compare these movements. Comparing the gay struggle to the black struggle does erase the black struggle. And it also erases the existence of black gay people. Parallels can be drawn, but they are simply not the same thing.
ANY american who doesnt get FULL & EQUAL rights reguardless of what you think of them has EVERY RIGHT to fight for them without haters trying to derail them cuz of their beliefs dont match this secular country's constitution, period.
Crazy how quickly times change. Can you even imagine this conversation happening now?
For the record Barack Obama said, "I believe marriage is between a man and women BUT every American doesn't therefore they should be able to marry whomever they please."
Taylor Suarez
Ppl have forgotten that.
Shortly after that he changed his thoughts on the matter. People evolve and change.
Suffrage is the right to vote, not suffering.
Omg Meghan is Elizabeth 2.0
It's an easy comparison to make because no other tax-paying American minorities in recent decades have been so ostracized and openly berated..although that's now changing in this country with the increasingly hostile rhetoric towards immigrants and Muslims...
As a gay person I'm always offended when people say "don't compare the two groups/struggles!!" We - all people - have more in common than we have differences. But unfortunately the more we stick to "no, we're different" - the more we set ourselves back and distract from common goals towards equality and justice...there's strength in numbers....I wish more black people AND gay people understood that and didn't constantly bash each other, and I've seen it from both sides so many times....
This is so ancient now. Marriage equality is a thing. Don't be upset by watching this.
They don't even know what the word "suffrage" means....smh
LOL!!!! But they are so smart we should let them guide or decisions in life.
Did it not occur to them that one can be gay AND black?
Yikes this was 11yrs ago times are different now. Gay marriage is like common now.
ireland is a very conservative country and the people just VOTED yes to legalizing gay marriage with 62% of the population voting in favor of gay marriage...looks like the catholic church has finally lost their grip on ireland...great news !!!
Sylvia Garcia You just responded to a two year old comment. I find molesting kids immoral, but the church won't stop pumping out child molesters.
Guess we all have to deal with things we consider immoral, huh?
LURKING SHADOWS There's child molesting all over the world n probably everyday. Not just in church's.
Sylvia Garcia No, really? What a revelation.
Sylvia Garcia You're not very responsive to what I say. You're just repeating a script, even to the point where you ignored the fact that this was a two YEAR old comment.
The Catholic church loses every single time it sexually represses someone to the point that they think it's OK to touch kids. Thousands of young girls and boys have been molested BECAUSE of catholicism, not gay MARRIAGE.
Sylvia Garcia I’m gay. Just thought that would make you upset lol
I took The Advocates title as something not pertaining to race. Back in 2000's there was the fad, pink is the new black as in the new cool color to wear instead of black. I think the title was referring to gay being a "new," popular culture to support, like black being the most popular color to wear. Mind this isn't anything against the black race, homosexuals, or the view. Just my perspective on it the title The Advocate chose.
Never thought of it that way, that's a good point. Numerous times though people have compared being gay with being black (ex: macklemore) and that's what irritates me.
+Christian Froman SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH GIRL LOL LOL SHHHHHHHHH.
I will never for the life of me understand how people that proclaim to be "Bible-believing Christians" believe that homosexuality will keep you out of heaven but their own sins will not. James 2:10 makes it clear that all sins are equal in God's eyes.
James 2:10, "For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it."
In other words, every time one sins, they are also guilty of committing homosexuality (if it is indeed a sin) as well! Gotta love the Bible sometimes! ;)
i would never encourage the comparison of the struggles of marginalised people, but i essentially agree with whoopi
SHERRI NEEDS TO BE WALKED OFF THE STAGE SHE STILL BELIEVE THE WORLD IS FLAT.
This issue is over.
wow, these women have no idea what the definition of "sufferage" is
As an African American, and as a black gay male, I think I'd know, because I live it. This is not just an "opinion". In a nut shell , everyone just needs to learn to share this American soil. Equal rights should be granted no matter race, gender, sexual preference etc., or America can't be considered the land of the free. I wont say who's right or wrong, because this is the exact division our media cause. These type of debates are sickening, and cowardly, that IS my opinion. None of it matters, because you are not gay, and you are not black, stop trying to prove a point. Until you live in both truths, you have no opinion of substance. Live YOUR life....
That Elizabeth, google ignorant. Her picture is there.
I don't really see gay marriage as actual marriage, It's more of a civil partnership. Gay marriage being compared to the civil right movement is preposterous.
why is it preposterous to state an obvious fact?
It's preposterous because it is far from an obvious fact. It is impossible to compare gay rights or gay struggle to the civil rights movement or black "suffrage" as the view to put it. The history alone is not comparable, they are completely different struggles, and always will be
Brittney Williamson who told you that?
because the fact is that you are wrong
OK, well if I am wrong, please explain to me how I am wrong. Correct me, if I am wrong.
Brittney Williamson
gay rights are civil rights, they are fighting for equality
just as the blacks did
its pretty obvious
The definition of marriage has been so many things before Christianity took it up.
There are four fully grown adult women sitting at a table and not one of them knew what the word suffrage meant
I’m so fucking glad we are out of this mess or an era!!!! As a gay man and my MARRIAGE is legal and is a marriage!
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Well, sorta. If people elect Trump in 2024, Gays could face equally challenging battles just as women are right now post Roe V. Wade being overturned... go vote BLUE in November as if your life depended on it... because it does! 💙
These women are not too intelligent from what it seems. Suffrage does not have any correlation to the word suffer. Suffrage simply means the right to vote. Period.
I am so sick of people saying "I'm just trying to protect the institution of marriage." Horseshit! Marriage has become a complete joke to most people. People elope on a whim to people they barely know, then get divorced, the numbers of infidelity in marriage are staggeringly high. People get married just because they get knocked up, teenagers can get married, minors can with parental consent. People get married for greed cards, people get married for money. Gay people who are fighting just to be able to get married, are doing that for love. Straight people are the ones who have been abusing, & making a mockery of marriage,
Thanks, Joan. This whole conversation could be summed up by the words, "How does it hurt you?" If you're so offended by people who have no impact on your life... well, you need to get one.
I REALLY wanted to see what Elizabeth's answer was going to be. Nothing like seeing a point of view different than your own. Also, I kinda wanted to make fun of how dumb she was going to sound
Love Wins 2K15!
Amazing how they could have a civil conversation without talking over one another. Meghan McCain could never
Suffrage means the right to vote wat r they talking about
This sound like my birdcage at breakfast time!
like my uncle's Chicken Coop during feeding time. Lol
Whoopi killed it here! Elisabeth looked like a fool (as usual).
Just a thought, but maybe if, by your own admission, none of you actually know what 'suffrage' means, then you shouldn't be debating such important civil issues to an audience in the millions...
Until recently in our history only humans that owned land could vote in parliamentary elections, the vast majority of humans will never own land. Should this still be because it was for so long?
Why not redefine marriage?
we redefined the voting franchise, why cherry pick?
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Nonsense marriage between a man and woman was to further small human societies success. Homosexuals could not have children so therefore they hindered success. For the last five hundred years at least humans have lived in large urbanized environments, more children does not equal more success. Therefore homosexuality would no longer hinder the success of humans.
In actual fact the world is over populated with humans we need to start adopting, this is exactly what homosexuals who want children will do.
When you prove your pre Palestinian nonsense is correct we'll start living by pre Palestinian law.
***** Dude , overpopulation is not about occupying space by each person. It's about requiring recources from the natural environment and pollution. Use your brain before you write comments(unless you're joking? Jokes do not work well on the Internet)
*****
Really? You can't be that thick or can you? It takes much more than a square metre of ground to support a person's life. The world is already overpopulated.
*****
Funnily enough I was referring to pressure on public services. Such as pensions and the health service. Not the physical space a human being takes up on the Earth.
I have to say, you are good for a few laughs, even if you contribute nothing useful to the discussion
Elizabeth is right when it boils down to it.
R Evans I agree.
There are many similarities. Y'all don't care to do this research. I'm not even gay and I'm black. It's like some of y'all think the only struggling people are blacks.
Jaren C who made the claim? R Evans didn't Whoopi did.
There are a lot of similarities amongst the races, cultures and ethnicities. Did you see the show? To say gays or any race had an experience like black folks is ridiculous and insensitive to black people.
Jews suffered, whites suffered, Asians suffered during WW2.
BUT the statement: Gays are the new Black, Really!
I don't like the slogan but that's not what I was talking about.
Calling our marriages something else confuses the issue.. it's marriage. . Over 1000 rights go with it. If you think u should get to vote about it and u vote no.. it's hatred.. just because u can't see if we are gay like u can see a black person is black doesn't mean we aren't . These are govt rights. We deserve the protections of marriage period
You do have the protection of marriage.....assuming you're willing to follow the rules of the institution of marriage. The rules aren't saying that homosexuals cannot get married at all, for that would be discrimination. The rule is saying that if someone wants to get married they have to meet a certain criteria.
Homosexuals have a habit of making people think that homosexuality is not a behavior but is something innate like skin color (for example) and therefore they and other pro-homosexual advocates argue as if homosexuals are a racial class that is being treated like 2nd class citizens and denied rights. In America, homosexuals are not being denied anything especially the institution of marriage. Homosexuals can enter the institution of marriage the same as anyone else assuming they're willing to abide by the rules set forth by the institution:
1) one man and one woman
2) both parties must be of legal age or get parent/legal guardian consent
3) both parties cannot be closely related (no incest)
4) both parties cannot already be married (no polygamy)
5) human marriages only (no bestiality for example)
But the problem is that homosexuals do not want to abide by the rules because the rules do not suit their homosexual behavior. People are equal because of dignity, a dignity that is the result of being made in the image of God, but not all behaviors are equal (because some behaviors are harmful and even deadly) and should not be treated or seen as such. Homosexual behavior does not benefit society (it does more harm than good) and thus should not be encouraged or promoted. Homosexuals do not want equal rights, they want special privileges and exemption from the rules. How? If you do not want to abide by the rules but you still want to reap the rewards, that's not equal rights. That is special privileges and maybe even favoritism. Where's the equality in that?
If homosexuals and their advocates want to cry "discrimination" because of the rules listed above, then technically, bachelors could cry discrimination since marriage requires two people, minors could cry discrimination, incest couples could cry discrimination, polygamists could cry discrimination, and people wishing to marry their pets could cry discrimination since these rules do not allow for the behavior of such people.
To take things a step further, non-handicap people could cry discrimination because they're not allowed to park in handicap parking spots. If all people are to be treated equally under the law but non-handicap people can't park in handicap parking spots, is that not a form of "discrimination"? Shouldn't such "discrimination" be against the law?
WHAT ABOUT CIVIL RIGHTS?
Access to marriage is not a civil right. In America, our civil rights are very specific rights that are accorded to individuals because of their status as humans. These rights are based on universal characteristics, not on feelings, desires,"orientations/sexual preferences", or volitional conduct. Our civil rights are the following:
1) freedom of religion (or conscious);
2) freedom of speech;
3) freedom of press;
4) freedom of assembly;
5) the right to vote;
6) the right to life;
7) freedom from involuntary servitude;
8) the right to equality in public places;
9) the right to due process of law;
10) the right to equal protection under the law.
11) the right to have private fire arms
Marriage is an institution, not a civil right. The government can legitimately define an institution and limit its membership in accordance with that definition or the government can choose not to recognize any institutions (including marriage) at all.
***** Or....gays can just change the rules. That seems to be working out pretty well. Legal marriage is a license....not an institution.
Tifany Stills Legal marriage may be a license but the institution of marriage is a natural concept that goes well beyond any license and was established way before man made laws. Marriage licenses merely demonstrate that a society has chosen to recognize a natural institution that existed way before their very own society and is a benefit to their society thus this is why that society is choosing to recognize that natural institution. Homosexuals can change social (marriage) laws but that would be like trying to get a law that says apples are now oranges and if anyone says otherwise they will be punished. Homosexuals can change social marriage laws but that doesn't mean that law corresponds with nature or reality.
If homosexual unions are the same as heterosexual unions,
* then why must homosexuals change the rules?
* If same-sex unions and heterosexual unions are naturally the same, then shouldn't the rules naturally apply to both types of relationships without any changes?
* Is it because homosexual unions are not naturally the same as heterosexual unions that they must change the rules?
* By changing the rules, aren't homosexuals really arguing for special privileges and not "equal rights"?
In this case equality means you want to be included. No rule changes necessary...you just simply want to be included. Special privilege means not only do you want to be included, you want to change the rules to suit your behavior and maybe even legally punish anyone who doesn't agree with your behavior.
* If homosexuals change the rules, do other special interests groups have the legal and moral right to also change the laws of marriage so that their once taboo relationships can now be seen and celebrated as marriages?
***** "marriage is a natural concept".....as observed in Tiger and Chipmunk weddings?
Do you seriously believe your own bullshit?
Tifany Stills ..marriage is a union of 2 people in love..just because you can't look at us and see who we are doesn't mean we aren't. You can try to wrap this up in a cute little package but hate is hate and you Christians always have to have someone to finger point to. We are gay because we were born that way. The big letters is a MAN WRITTEN BOOK the whole bit that they were instructed by Jesus or god by no means makes it all fact and comprehension of what is said is pick and choose with you guys. When will you vote laws in to stop you from divorcing. . We both know you won't do anything to stop you from having rights. Your hypocrites....end of story. Now we can marry the world is still spinning...
Rosie and Whoopi fought over this same topic (a fight which made Rosie leave her second run at the View) and Whoopi had the opposite opinion. She didn't want Rosie to equate herself and being gay with how African Americans are treated.
humans are weird