Would We Attend a Gay Wedding?
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- A well-known pastor and radio host recently came under fire for his public opinion on attending the wedding of a same-sex couple, and it got the Perrys talking. How can you be faithful to Jesus while caring for and honoring people? This conversation starts at the foundation of the issue: knowing what you believe about God and marriage before discerning your ‘yes’ or your ‘no.'
Resources:
1: Christianity Today, "Alistair Begg Meets the Politically Correct": www.christiani...
2: Does the Bible Support Same-Sex Marriage? by Preston Sprinkle: amzn.to/48CW921
3: Gay Girl, Good God by Jackie Hill Perry: amzn.to/49uDbMu
4: Finding the Right Hills to Die On by Gavin Ortlund: amzn.to/3wv8Gax
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“Know what you believe before you try to discern what to do.” - JHP 💯
WOW😮
💯 FACTS!
I did not attend one of my sisters wedding, she didn’t like the fact that I didn’t attend but she understood my stance. The amazing thing, before I gave my life to Christ, she actually was one to talk to me about the Lord. So she knows what the Bible says about that. I love her dearly, but I love the Lord more!
“I love the Lord more”… love this!!
Amen! Its God over everybody!
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Awesome, in my opinion when gay people call themselves getting married, I see them as having a ceremony. It’s not a marriage where God is present.
I discern something not so positive about Jackie. Her reactions and behavior towards her husband is questionably cringing. Not just the interruptions when he speaks (he interrupts her too), but the disrespect and argumentative tone.
Edit: Perry must feel defeated sometimes having conversations with Jackie. She’s right and he’s wrong. I envision him attempting to make her happy, but her not making the same effort. I envision him affirming her often, but she putting him down more.
Wow!! Praise God, the conversation explaining why she couldn't attend led to her sister repenting and canceling the wedding!! God will use what the enemy intended for evil and use it for good.
yes 🔥
Honestly there are opposite sex weddings I would not attend
Amen !
this is so WOW!!
AMEN! Praise GOD!
I didn’t attend my child’s wedding, she knows where I stand. One of the toughest decision I’ve ever had to make in my walk with Christ. I most definitely love her and she’s knows that. Is the relationship strained? Yup, we speak as much as she allows. I’ve had to place our relationship in the hand of the Lord.
Isaiah 59:1 💜
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I wouldn't be able to attend my daughter's wedding either so I do understand ✝️
Thank you Jesus Christ! you are not alone my sister my… you said it just the way the holy leading spirit had you to say it thank you Jesus Christ ❤
This made me sad. Sending love to your child. I don't think Christ would approve of your extremely hurtful decision. My heart hurts. I attended my child's gay wedding because I love her and, quite frankly, it had no adverse impact on my relationship with Jesus. It just showed my child how much I love her. I think actions speak louder than words when showing our children we love them.
I was just having this discussion recently. Personally I wouldn't go at all. Being in attendance means you are in support, no matter what.
❤👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾🙌🏾 say it again. I agree with you 100%
It’s really just that simple.
Exactly!It would be similar to going to a gay pride parade to support a friend that is in it.
I totally agree.
Thank you for this conversation. My son is in a same sex relationship and he knows where I stand. He was once in the church and says he still believes and is a Christian. I know he’s confused and the enemy lies to him about his identity. I had to ask myself this question, would I attend his “wedding “ and my answer would have to be no. I would talk to my son and express why but in the end I would have to accept what the consequences might be. I’m praying God will intervene in his life and he will realize truth and come back to Christ before that is even a thing. 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
Same here!!
Praying for you and your son and his significant other 🙏🏽 Do you let them come to family gatherings? I have a child who I may have a similar experience with and I wonder how I’ll manage it. Prayer and obedience of course but I wonder how I’d manage the Christian Mom in me and the human Mom who loves her kids and would hate if they felt not loved or accepted by me; regardless of them knowing the truth that I believe.
I heard that one can’t be Christian and in a same sex relationship. Is this true?
Isaiah 59:1 💜
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Preston has the heart of an apologetic, willing to go toe to toe line for line.
Jackie is giving I get it but no. Also having to have her testimony is probably one of the most sincerest “no.” so it’s a balanced topic. I respect this convo 💯💯💯
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If your family member loves you, they wouldn’t ask you to compromise. They would understand and honor your belief/convictions. I personally can’t dishonor God over trying to honor a family member. I love the piece about having the conversation. But to be present, is consent, affirmation, support, and agreement and unless you are there protesting- there’s no way you can disassociate from it.
This is so very well spoken. My family suffered the loss of a daughter because we refused to celebrate or attend her gay wedding. Our reasons were and remain biblical. It is painful no doubt but we prefer to see Jesus in peace as good and faithful servants.
Wrong. Sin always causes us to be selfish.
Compromise, tolerance and love aren’t qualities we see from US American christians. They’re more Taliban than Gandhi.
@@ShellyBeans259 My wife and I are fortunate to have been born to Swiss and Norwegian parents respectively, who love us unconditionally and care about us. My father in law brought one of his ships into Bergen Harbour to give us a spectacular venue to be married. Their only disappointment was the thought that they’d never be grandparents. Almost 12 years ago, we returned from wintering on Australia’s Sunshine Coast, each sporting large baby bumps. We had no knowledge of their concern and it was a very emotional reunion. Our daughters adore their grandparents and have grown very close to them. This spring, we returned with baby bumps once again, much smaller ones this time with our new daughters / granddaughters expected to be born in the last few days of this year. Our parents are equally thrilled at the thought of four wonderful grandchildren when they had expected none. Your daughter, her wife and their future family are very lucky to be rid of your deeply ignorant bigotry from their lives, although unlike us, living in the socially advanced world they will still be subjected to the ignorance and bigotry of the deeply backwards U.S.
1 Thessalonians 5:22 says “Abstain from all appearance of evil…” I am becoming extremely worried about why us as followers of Christ feel the need to discuss/explain “why” we cannot do things that are NOT of God, considering that being an explanation in itself. We are in this world not of it yet there’s so much compromise and appeasement of those in the world. Providing support for sinful actions can possibly enable them. What is pleasing to my Lord is pleasing to me, plain and simple.
Yes!
Clarity came to me on this topic and I heard “If it’s lead by God”. Often as humans we can conform God to our ways and limits but Isaiah 40:28-29 speaks about how as humans we can never comprehend fully. It may not make sense to us but it doesn’t have to. God has an aerial view. I would NOT go on my own but if God said go and do…., do you think I would abstain because of how it looks? Jesus (literally) met sinners where they were and while I am not Jesus he is my example.
@monique4520 You're right, sis. He meets us where we are. He is loving and holy. He'll never engage in our sins with us, but He'll always meet us where we are welcoming us to come unto to Him. In listening to Him, we can always look to His word. I love you sis.❤
Amen
I love you as well. Be blessed ❤️😘
A wedding is a celebration and everyone who partakes are in one accord!
As someone who is struggling with same-sex attraction-by God's grace I have been saved but I still feel pulled by my flesh-pray that God will work in my life and current relationships to bring about healing in this area. I really appreciate Jackie's testimony and look to her and Preston's perspective on this because I desparately want to not feel this way.
Praying for you, friend :)
Continue to pray n seek God’s face daily. You can do this.
You're not alone. I have a whole husband and STILL struggle DAILY. May our Lord keep us til we no longer wrestle with this flesh!
Psalm 29:11
Praying for you as you continue to surrender your heart and life totally to God. Praying strength in your struggle with flesh, which we all have, just in different ways. May the Holy Spirit continue to be y your present help and companion on this walk. God bless you.
“It invites a conversation, not a cancellation”…that’s powerful!
What's beautiful here is that the conversation about how to "love" is being had. Really. My play daughter (our families have loved each other over 25 years) had a marriage ceremony with a woman that I did not attend. She and I went to dinner alone, and I affirmed my love for her and for the Lord. It is hard to follow Christ in these circumstances only in that we don't want to hurt other humans. But He did come to bring division in this sense. I think approach, that is to approach in love, makes ALL the difference. If I attended, whether I wanted it to or not, it would send a message to so many people in my circle and perhaps those that I'm not even aware of. Yet, we all attended the Glory conference together. I think, had our relationship stopped because she had that ceremony, which I believe would NOT be loving at all, she would not have accepted the invitation to the Glory conference. We all, including the woman she had a ceremony with, had a great time. And guess what, you know, seed was sown. What happens to the seed is in God's hand. Our responsibility is to love, not condemn. We can love and STILL choose not to compromise God's clear standard. I hope at least one person is helped by this. Above all else, love each other deeply...you know the rest. But look it up if yiu don't. 😉 Thank you to the Perry's for the conversation.
Such a beautiful comment ❤
This comment captures it beautifully.
This is wonderful!!! Thanks for sharing.
Thank you so much ❤
“Sin makes everything hard.” Preston summed it all up with this comment.
I’m faced with this same situation with my daughter right now. We told her we cannot attend her same sex “event”, and it’s heartbreaking for everyone. She is now choosing to elope in another state since key people who love her won’t attend her “wedding”. The sin is making it all hard on everyone, including and especially her. When you have to feel the consequences of your actions like not having a real celebration with all your loved ones there, that should be a clarifying moment of revelation for you to see your sin for what it is. If you choose instead to proceed, you are consciously choosing to remain in that sin.
So then my daughter asks if we will at least come to a party afterwards… you know, to just party. Again, no, there will be no celebration of sin. Instead we mourn and grieve. I love my daughter so much, and I repeatedly tell and show her that. But I have also told her that I love Jesus more. And that never changes. Also, HE loves her more than I ever could. I pray these truths, however difficult to hear, will ultimately bring her comfort. I am loved and she is loved by a HOLY GOD. It wouldn’t be loving of me to celebrate her straight to hell. I will never stop praying for her. That’s love.
Amen and Amen❤
Amen!
Good for u! I know it was painful and hard for u and your family. God bless you! ❤
Preface: I am commenting halfway through. I find Preston’s perspective refreshing so far, specifically the wrestling for relationship - I love how he highlighted that nuance because it real. My younger sister is gay, I already told her I’m not attending her wedding which is scheduled for this year and it has been extremely hard for our relationship. She was my best friend growing up and it’s sad but with the revelation God has given me about sacredness and power of the biblical marriage covenant I am not released to attend. But there have been many challenging, back and forth conversations over the years leading up to this point because of that love we have for each other. Thank you for emphasizing the importance of wrestling, not just the no. I one-hundred percent agree with saying no, though. We don’t know the levels of biblical mystery of marriage, I can’t play with that. Appreciate y’all so much. I’m going to watch the rest now 😅
Edit: I’m done! Jackie’s comments about her grief and then the article discussing the “weaker brother” …fire!! ❤️🔥
I have tremendous respect for this couple’s ability to dialogue (not debate) about difficult topics from different positions. I pray this level of communicative maturity for all loving relationships, romantic or otherwise.
This is RIGHT ON TIME! My niece who adores me is engaged to a woman and I’ve been battling about the conversation of telling her no but not making God the villain. As someone who was malested by a girl but happily married to a man, I just don’t want her to miss out on all the fruit that comes from living a God honoring life/marriage. So thank you for having this uncomfortable conversation in public for people like me. ❤😊
When you tell her no God is not the villain. You are fully responsible for that hurtful decision. God will be at the wedding even if you are not.
@@atg7437Speak!
The simple fact is that who your niece loves is entirely her business and none of yours.
My takeaway is, because our relationships with others is also important to God, we need to have discernment if we find ourselves in these situations. And we can’t have discernment without consistent prayer and Bible study. I very much respect the stance that you never know what God might tell someone to do because God know everyone’s situation and what He’s trying to do. Amen to that.
I love you both, you can't compromise brother,you don't have to pray asking a question that the word has already given an answer. Don't compromise,are you putting your relationship with family before God.
Great question. Truth.
My wife wanted to go support her cousins gay wedding. I said no because it’s not real. Not going to lie thou I feel convicted because that’s my wife and I’d only go for her. This one’s tough. Glad someone putting it out there 💯‼️
As the husband, you are called to be the spiritual leader. You are called to go to the Father first and seek His will first above all else. I encourage you to seek His will, pray, and lead from that place.
What exactly do you want him to do if his wife wants to go? Shackle her to the bed?@@JMarie-th8xe
U leader, say no. God hold u accountable!!
I never thought I’d find myself saying this on someone’s podcast that i literally don’t know but the both of you have literally become like friends to me. Friends in Christ.
Hearing both of your opinions on this topic has helped me in a way i didn’t think i needed. Thank you.
I’m so looking forward to this discussion! I was faced with this challenge last year and I didn’t know what to do. Thank you Perry’s!
It's not a challenge. It's simply a choice to love.
It's not complicated.
@@WhatsOnYourMind. does that assume Love goes or love doesn’t go?
That's not a choice to love. It's a choice to hate. @@WhatsOnYourMind.
You can love and say no
I was asked to officiate one and I lost a friend…
I thought Preston was gonna say it’s okay to go! 😅. Great topic! I wish I heard this over a decade ago. I was invited to a gay wedding and I rsvp’d knowing I wasn’t gonna go and later to tell her the day of that I couldn’t make it because of a lie. I just repented about that from hearing this conversation! Thank You Lord
That doesn't sound very Christian like at all.
Big topic, bigger God. The right ones to speak on it. Thank you for growing bold in the gospel. Love yall! ❤
“When have I ever gone into a space and NOT told the truth.” Come on Jackie and Preston!! That did something to my spirit. God is using y’all and I thank Him for it. 🙏🏽
This is such a wonderful conversation and needs to be had more and more….This is a master class!Love these two. Mad respect.
I love how open, blunt, and transparent Jackie is!! "You talking about Propel with Christine Caine or the Bethel thing?!" 🤣🤣
Finally, my fave family returns to the tube! ✋🏽🤚🏽
Thank-you for sharing. Listening from Papua New Guinea 🇵🇬.
Thank you so much for this. The Church (big C) needed this. Love you guys and thankful for your lives and ministries.
Thank you for taking on tough conversations.
I will still listen to Alistair Begg.
Preston and Jackie, you added such insight to my thinking that was much needed. I appreciate the way you interact in order to weed through the issues to give God's truth a place to show up in our faith. God Bless the more!
Why would a lesbian or gay couple invite true believers to their wedding,. When they know that person will not compromise their beliefs?
Then say, "Don't be weird", or "Just tell me 'No', I'm not coming"?
Their belief would tell you "No", before their mouth speaks.
Boldness is not always replying to every sinful request. Sometimes it's just standing on your belief and letting your actions speak.
I believe they extend the invitation so a believer can co-sign it or to test your loyalty between them and over God.
Jesus said "this is my brother. This is my mother those who do the will of my Father". That is who he was loyal to.
You can definitely love your friends and family members who are in the same sex relationship, but if you are trying your best to live Holly, they will know, respect it and not invite a believer to co-sign, by witnessing sin and hold their peace
. In turn the believer wouldn't be upset about not being invited.
That way it won't be "weird" because each person is living the life they choose, boldly. With the agreement that they love each other and respect the life their chose to live.
I was thinking the same, why invite me, knowing my beliefs.
Right
I agree, I feel this way too. I can’t see my friends who know my faith inviting me to something that strictly goes against what I believe.
I dont know if it is as black and white as you make it. On the surface that makes sense...but... a son wanting his parents (Christian or not) to come to a day that is supposed to be important for him... i just dont think.it is cut and dry as to why someone who is gay would or would not ask aChristian to their wedding. You can also be a Christian who has gay friends. I could see them still wanting to extend invitations bc there are genuine friendships between them. We would hope they would understand why a Christian might say, "I judt cant come." However, if you find your identity in being gay, and take it personally against you, you may take issue against your Christian parents or friend for this. It makes sense to us as Christians...to love others regardless of sin, but not to partake in things that would glorify that sin. But there is no way to control how the other person who invited us will act or receive this "no." It is not easy.
As an atheist I enjoy listening to y'all convesations, especially when you are not willing to surrender to ephemeral and transiet norms & mores en-vogue at the present moment. I respect the fidelity to your faith and boundaries erected around your principles. The comments below are refreshing to be honest.
That’s awesome you recognize it. God gives us all we have, it’s amazing, beyond our imaginations, and it’s free to anyone who just seeks and wants Him. 🤍
As an atheist myself, allow me to say- their faith in their beliefs and how it can help people be good people is great. Using religion as a tool or excuse to hate, shame, diminish, or discriminate against someone or a group of people is not. If you're gonna be like that then say it with your chest bc apparently God created everyone in his image, with love, and created their paths. Homophobia isn't cute, nor benelvolent, and it isn't endorsed in the Bible. There's no way to pack it up w/ a bow.
I wouldn't go to one regardless. Would our Saviour attend a gay wedding? NOPE. Thats good enough for me. 💜💜💜♾️
This the one. ☝️
How can we be so quick to say he wouldn't? I recall him being many places "he shouldn't have been" with the sinners and outcasts of society.
Very true
@@arisadventure2340when he was there , he was there to change people’s lives, not for them to continue living the way they were living. That’s the part y’all be leaving out on purpose!!!
@@24pixiegirlON PURPOSE. they and not that particular person but people in general who stand in Jesus is love and many other “Christians” pick a verse and forget that it was part of a full paragraph and or complete letter. Context is everything and they completely take it out of context to make God be who THEY want him to be. Majority won’t read the Bible at all they just hear a person say it and go off that. Sad…
Perfectly articulated Jackie that's the hardest thing for people to do when it comes to a loved one. Loving a loved one and being firm on the word of God. ❤
Thank you for having this conversation and sharing it with us! These are challenging topics that take some good in-depth discussion that puts first God's desire in our lives and to live in the way he wants. 🎉🎉
"God wants you to honor him and honor people." That hit such a sore spot, as an introvert who often disappears out of convenience, instead of wrestling with the hard things. My decade of disappearing acts are legendary.
I understand that too. Those words definitely pierced me & im now asking God to do the work in me that is necessary.
I don't think disappearing is convenient. I think people who disappear from the hard relationships or conversations still wrestle with it & probably had those conversations in their heads. Do you?
@@SurvivorC ❤️
@@treshabarrettmsw1981 Conversation all the time.
You all dont need them to tell you the answer. The answer is NO!!!
It’s also not just about the answer being No but how you lead with love while you deliver that No. a lot of Christians miss that part.
Jackie said she had the luxury of feeling she wouldn’t even be asked to attend a ceremony like that which leads me to believe that’s she’s so bold in her word her stance is already implied! Those of the world KNOW that the agreement of homosexuality is not of God, so that invitation in itself is alarming. The no should be implied unless your a lukewarm follower of Christ.
@@victoriaknowsbest thank you for clarifying. So many people are missing the whole point 😂
I get Preston to a degree. If you want me to be in a place with you that questions my walk with Christ then you need to be ok with me defending my attendance. If you really love me you wouldn’t ask me to look like a false Christian and go against my beliefs just to make you happy because at that point it’s given set up and Satan is that you trying to work through my loved one 😑
Pretty much! Because it doesn't mean you don't love them. It just means Jesus is priority.
Thruth Jackie 🙏 I love the way that you you explained your take on not attending a gay wedding.
This is a very timely topic for me as my sister got engaged in December. I was invited to two engagement parties which I politely declined, reminding her where I stand. There is an open invitation to her wedding and any other events surrounding it. She and her fiance have been together for 5 years and I only met her in October. I have never met her previous girlfriends. My parents haven't met them either. My sister and I have been through a tremendous healing of our relationship in the last few years. She was and continues to be crucial in my mental health journey. Recently she asked me to fly back with her after visiting us for my Dad's birthday. I have wrestled with visiting them as she's mentioned it many times. I was not sure if I should stay in the house they share. After much prayer and reading scriptures plus talking with my fellow Christians, I have decided that there are more positive things to come from this visit than negative. I pray that they will see Jesus through me and KNOW that He is what sets me apart. I know that Satan can and will try to turn this into evil, but I am prepared through prayer, scripture, and believe that the Lord knows my heart. This trip will be positive in many ways for my mental health journey and I want to share this growth with my sister because she's been my biggest cheerleader in this fight.
A great conversation, thank you for giving this subject time.
This is such a good conversation!
For me as a Christian I know what my stance is on many issues but it is when language, reasoning and SCRIPTURE is given for that decision, that I feel the most at peace.
Generationally the difference between us and the former generation is that we are a processing generation. We process through talking, through research, through seeking information. But the former is more of a "Do as I say", without explanation (well at least that's been my experience)
I appreciated the conversation about the wrestle.
I love you guys SO MUCH! And recommend you to many friends!
One thought. Jackie mentioned guarding against false teachers. One wrong statement, one area of growth for even preachers (because they don’t know all they aren’t perfect or Christ) doesn’t make them a false prophet. Allester Begg is awesome and very much anointed in my opinion. He didn’t set out to step On toes he set out to honor Jesus and spread His love. He is under attack because he’s a believer!!!! I pray he is rejoicing in this affliction!
HOW CAN TWO WALK TOGETHER UNLESS THEY AGREE
Impossible to agree on. Everything. You respect the difference, celebrate the variety, communication, negotiation. We are not clones of each other.
Thank you so much for touching this topic! Has been a hard conversation amongst my friends. It is really good to hear the stance of someone who understands the struggle of that sin but still stands firm in truth. God bless you both!
Where does god say it’s a sin to have a same sex marriage?
@@musicfanatic4641 Every mention of marriage in the Bible refers to the union of a male and a female. The first mention of this structure is in Genesis 2:24. While the Bible does address homosexuality, it does not explicitly mention gay marriage/same-sex marriage. It is clear, however, that the Bible condemns homosexuality as an immoral and unnatural sin. Leviticus 18:22 identifies homosexual sex as an abomination, a detestable sin. Also in Romans 1:26-1:27 declares homosexual desires to be unnatural and shameful. With that you can pick-up the principle that since homosexuality is condemned in the Bible, it follows that homosexuals marrying is not God’s will and would be, in fact, sinful. BUT there is always hope if someone is struggling with this sin, God’s word is transformative and powerful. Jackie Hill is a beautiful example of how she let the Lord transform her heart and although she may have her struggles she chooses daily to die to her fleshly desires and be obedient to God’s word and the Lord has blessed her with such a beautiful family and ministry. God loves His creation, but hates sin. Homosexuality is a sin like any other sin. Christians who hate homosexual people are not good examples of Christians, we are called to love people but we should not support or promote that sin.
Every 2minutes can be cut and made into a TH-cam short or IG Reel. Watching again!🔥
Preston way sounds like struggling the fence. I don't understand what he is saying. Because, if God was thought first and He told you to go, why would a public decoration be needed for men? Unless that public decoration simply states "I sought God first.He told me to go and honor Him while I was there", ( meaning to deliver a message) That way God is being honored and the wedding party is being honored with the Word of God and by your commitment to their eternal life.. That way a public announcement disowning the wedding party wouldn't be needed..
I can see God tells someone to go into that situation to preach or to deliver a message that would change the outcome of the day.
Jesus never went into a situation where minds weren't changed, nor did the atmosphere remain the same when He left.
So if God is telling someone to go, the atmosphere would change and sin would no longer be a happy occasion.
My best friend was in a 17 year relationship with the same sex. There were times they would invite me to their home and I went, but it was always clear to them before, during and after my stance on their relationship.
After 17 years my friend is no longer in that relationship. She said what helped her out was that I never compromised my love for God and my love for her, and I never stopped believing she would be free from that sin. However , other people, even her family members, disowned her. I stayed committed to our friendship and more importantly my witness to her.
Every opportunity God gave me I reminded her of God's word and love for her and for her girlfriend.
Thanks for sharing. I have a neice that just got "engaged" to another woman. This helps me know how I should proceed.
Conscience! That part! For me, my conversation with my niece was leaning towards how my conscience won’t allow me to support her gay marriage. I personally fear God and have experienced consequences when “I AM” in disobedience and so it’s not about her, it’s about me not wanting to experience another God whoopin’.😅
The camera quality is UP. I don’t even have the resolution turned to the max.
Anyhow, can’t wait for Preston’s book!
I feel like many people emotionally blackmail their loved one into accepting their lifestyle.
Really appreciate you guys speaking truth and talking about tough topics. 🙏🙏🙌🏼❤️
This was really good y’all! I’m actually going thru this situation with my lil sister she is engaged to a women. God was really speaking thru y’all to me!
This was a very thought provoking discussion. I love it! Thank you for revealing both sides of this matter.
If I don’t honor it as a wedding and I know it’s not Christ ordained between a man & woman, I’m not going. Family or not.
Thank you for all that you do. I purchased your book Mrs Perry and distributed it so others can find God and healing
This was such a good conversation. I really appreciate the perspectives you both have
Jackie your brows are 🔥 and I’m so happy to have a new podcast from yall! Real, raw conversations!
I hear Preston's view but Im interested to hear the perspective of Psalm 1:1 of sitting in the seat of mockers knowing full well a gay marriage could be considered a mockery of a Godly convenant. Thoughts?
Im just 7 minutes in and wow amen! I am also reformed, and the us vs everybody reactionism I see weighs me down so much. I understand the desire of many is actually to honor God by being faithful to truth, and that’s amazing, but that rush to judgement and lack of compassion you experienced and I see so often (not always, there’s a lot of great stuff going on out here) feels like poison to my soul sometimes and makes me sad. And you just outed it!
This camera quality is OMG!🔥
I've genuinely missed y'all. Although, Jackie says otherwise 😅. I'm drawn to your authenticity nonetheless.
Was I the only one constantly refreshing the channel to know if I per chance missed an episode?
Glad you're back, please.
Much love from Nigeria.
As someone who talks about sexuality, this episode was enlightening for me. Thank you.
made it to the end-great talk-glad you two decided to share with the saints and aints :-) blessings to the person who was converted and cancelled the wedding and hope she is doing well!!
Great vid. I'm 21min into it. Honoring people sometimes means not showing up. I'm not showing up to your Pre-Eternal Damnation Celebration. My showing up is saying I'm willing to watch you seal your agreement to say my God was wrong. I will be available when you wake up and I will love you still but I won't show up for your suicide. Love you too much
I absolutely LOVE how you two don't agree all the time but still love each other and have such great conversations about hard things. That's my favorite!
And it's crazy I agree with both of you lol
Br. Perry, I love you and your ministry. In this situation, you seem to have a problem saying "no" in a loving way because you don't want hurt feelings. What I hear you saying is you are putting the responsibility on your "Sister" to make the decision for your attendance, but what you are doing by not making a decision is making the situation worse, dishonoring you faith, and God's principles according to his word about marriage. Your decision should be based on love and mutual respect of one another's beliefs. Love the decision. ❤
Great convo! Glad to have you guys back. Also Jackie is HILARIOUS!
It’s ok to say no
Wow I love to hear both sides of this conversation, it’s interesting to see both perspectives. I also love to hear how important it is to have those hard conversations, especially when you never know what God can do with those conversations just by you being obedient and brave.
not jackie don’t miss us 🤣🤣
i love how she just does't pretend!!! you know that's why we love her 😂
Nah fr, it never gave fakeee!@@imariapassao
😂😂😂 She's funny and honest.
@@imariapassao yes we love jackie fr
What a wonderful, respectful, thoughtful, loving conversation between two married people with different convictions. This is a tough conversation and I agree it's not a simple yes or no. Thank you!
I stand with Jackie on this one because with or without a conversation I am not going. The definition of marriage will not let me do that.
Lot should have asked his uncle Abram to chose for him a location to go with his family and livestock because his choice was very poor that it brought trouble. A wise child would aske the father to help him. Thank God that Abraham interceded for him that his life was spared but his choice led to the loss of his wife and he committed incest, producing the Moabites and some other groups of people who had enermity with God.
The the sons of Gods are led by the holy spirit. Amen!
I am so with Jackie on this! Let your no be your no! You're no can change a person's life!
I am so happy you did the in depth thinking and you’re dedicated to showing love as Jesus does but this is my first time hearing Preston a little bit all over the place. If you’re going to the wedding and not celebrating, and you have to make a whole ig post explaining your reason for going, why go? Also you made a statement about personal conviction being sin then made all of these compromises just to attend a celebration (bc we’re not considering this a wedding according to The Bible) you completely disagree with and don’t even want to go to. The same conversations about God can be had if you decide to not attend. Lastly, if your family member decided to be so hurt that they cut you off for not attending, isn’t that what Jesus says will happen when we choose to follow him? Mothers against daughters, husbands against wives, etc.? I don’t normally make long comments like this bc I think no one would read them but I thought it was important to talk about. This same question came up in my Bible study and I don’t feel like we got a clear answer. I love Jackie’s slave analogy, I’m not going to celebrate someone being a slave to sin but I’ll pray that God changes their hearts. Ima go with God now though. Amen 😂
And going to the wedding will grieve the Holy Spirit, period. Jackie hit it on the head with that. I love that Preston affirmed this.
Welcome Back Perrys- this was such a good conversation, as usual. Thank you for addressing all the things, including Bethel. The haters couldn't wait to use that against you. Keep on leading with Jesus.
Definitely looking forward to this topic! I would not attend a gay marriage but I still love yall though!
This is a good balanced conversation that spoke from different viewpoints that Christians may have on this subject. Even if Preston doesn't really feel this way it was good to present such a scenario and perspective that many may have. Only issue i have you guys spoke on honour. We are NOT called to honour our friends and loved ones. We are to stay with the WORD. The word says We are to LOVE and respect our neighbors, but honour is to be given unto our LORD CHRIST and parents. I love you guys peace and blessings
"God can use the conversation about the 'no' to reach someone". Amen! That is important to remember. Preston, Im sorry. I appreciate your earnest attempts at explaining the conditions under which you'd attend. However it only showed that no matter how we try to spin it, associating with something we don't believe in doesnt help anyone.
I love what Jackie said about the importance of the conversation and the wrestling ❤️
The answer..::no.
Wow this was so good especially the end! Know your Bible and what you’re supposed to believe THEN discern what to do
To put simply, we should not go. If you wanna have hard conversations with gay supporters do it at a different event. It isn't wise for us to go and attending is showing acceptance. We do not compromise in this way. We are supposed to be willing to lose all relationships for God! Who are our real siblings/relatives? Children of God. Do not compromise y'all!
Honestly, I grew up around people who would attack my humanity. I would tell them how I feel and what I believe and they’d use it against me, or get extremely angry that I don’t agree with them. I wasn’t a Christian growing up but now I am. And now it’s hard for me to have these conversations because of being attacked time and time again. I think it’s nice that you guys talked about people desiring humanity, but not everyone does. Most people are waiting for a moment to fight and unleash their trauma on someone else. I don’t blame some of the Christian’s who didn’t reply to that young lady’s invitation. I think we need discernment based on who it is.
What happens if the officiant of the wedding says does anybody know a reason why the couple should not be married??
Great Question 😅
I would think whoever speaks up should’ve done that before the wedding day.
It's not exactly a command to do something...if I say "me, over here" and they continue with the ceremony...it's more of a rhetorical question. But I do think how Preston explained laying his beliefs out prior to...it's not like the officiant is giving you room for something you haven't already done.
Thank you for this conversation. I often wrestle with what I would do if this situation came up in my life, my brother is gay and I always pray that he doesn’t end up wanting to marry another man! It’s definitely a harder decision if you have a close relationship with someone.
Preston, explaining the ‘hard conversation’ is absolutely thoughtful.
NLT Matthew 5:37 says, "Just say a simple 'yes, I will' or, 'no, I wont'. Anything beyond this is from the evil one.
You can honor those you love with a no. 🤷🏾♀️
Love these two! Beautiful discussion within the context of a beautiful example of a marriage!
Legs crossed. Girlying. You go girl. We are growing up 🙌🏽
OMG, What a wonderful, Blessed, with scripture conversation this is and the closing remarks was right on point❣️ This really Blessed me. There is nothing like a conversation that is backed up with scripture. Gob Bless you both and your ministries❣️🙏❤❤
All of this needed to be said! Thanks for sharing ❤️🔥
Being ex-LGBTQ, I respectfully believe that Christians attending same-sex marriages only muddies the water. It is bad enough that we have pastors who are solicited their opinions on LGBTQ and gay marriage, but their absence of boldness to stand on the Word and speak truth throws confusion in the mix. It is clear that by attending a same-sex wedding, one would be joining in the affirmative of this union. So, I think it would be very hard to share the Gospel at an event that contradicts the Word of God, but it's an event you're consenting to.
And, I get it. For many people, this hits very close to home with many family and friends who have come out and are openly LGBTQ, and parents, siblings, grandparents and close friends are now put in a position to make a choice. I don't think enough pastors preach on the passage in Matthew, 10: 34-36... HELLO!!!... because it's hard stuff. It hits at the core of our committment to Christ and forces us to examine whose side we are really on. And, as believers in Christ, we should also be discerning the skillful craftiness of Satan. It is very clear to me that this is one of his master weapons (LGBTQ/same-sex attraction & marriage) designed to decimate families and to sow discord and compromise in the body of Christ.
Just one thing on the Alistair Begg issue, out of all the feedback and reaction videos I watched, I never heard anyone calling for him to be canceled. They were more perplexed at his willingness to double-down on his advice to the grandmother. And the advice he gave does make me wonder if this may be something that is personal to him, something he may be dealing with in his own family. In my mind, why would he choose to die on this hill knowing the overwhelming blowback he would receive. Regardless of what his reasoning was, he is still a true man of God to me and I continue to pray for his ministry. But, it is perplexing.😶
Beautiful commentary.
I agree with Jackie wholeheartedly. What first comes to mind for me is I don’t want my presence/approval/celebration at their wedding to be a reason that the devil keeps them in a lie of bondage. I couldn’t live with myself for causing more confusion. True love and truth are intertwined.
Study Luke 14:26
Preston your love for Christ must supersede your love for your family…
Some things are just right and wrong for believers…. Will God get any glory?!
That answers it for me!
“There is a way that seems right to a man…”
I have a very loud and proud gay daughter. I love her, but could not go to her wedding. My son is straight. He thinks I would be wrong for that decision. I love your content.
I wouldn’t go. I don’t want to be a sympathizer of sin and I don’t care whose feelings get hurt. I’m supposed to hate what my Father hates. And if it’s an abomination to Him, why would I go and support something that is against his ordinance?
This comment shows no nuance and duality within the reality of being a Christianity. I’m not trying to change the biblical principle behind it nor am I saying one should go back on your convictions but to say “I don’t care about people’s feelings” takes away the humanity of people.
For those in favor of not attending a gay wedding, I respect the fact that you are standing by that theology, and I too am in alignment with it. But in addition to showing your theology, show your humanity in the words of Preston. Show your humanity like Jesus in the garden crying tears of blood being faithful to the father, but also wrestling with it as well.
I don’t think the approach should just be a “nope, not going. Take it or leave it” towards an invitation. But more so, “brother/sister, I love you and I HATE the fact that this will put our relationship at an uncomfortable place, but I can’t attend.” Showing duality doesn’t make you lukewarm. Yes, STAND BY your biblical convictions but being a heartless Bible thumper ain’t it and I think in our efforts, to not be “lukewarm” we lose the very humanity that God gave us. And I think that’s Preston’s point.
@@leonardlatouche8373 When I say I don’t care whose feelings get hurt, I really mean that. If I lose a friend or family member or they start to hate or shun me for not being in support of something that God himself hates, so be it. Not once did I say I didn’t love the person/people. I’m not going to the “wedding” period. Ironically what you are suggesting is lukewarmedness, (if that’s a word) I am to be either hot or cold on these matters, not somewhere in the middle to cushion the blow to someone’s conviction. I’ve lost many friends in that lifestyle. When I myself came out of it, I began to witness to others. God has a standard.
@@_Love85 you obviously didn’t read what I said and your cognitive dissonance is wild lol. 🤦🏾♂️ we’re saying literally the same thing, so nothing about what I said is lukewarm at all lol. We’re just approaching it differently. I can still lament over a relationship changing due to my convictions and be at peace with the fact that I’ve honored God. Just because I’m lamenting over the fact that my relationship with a loved one won’t be the same doesn’t mean that’s indicative of “being lukewarm.”
😂🤦🏾♂️
@@leonardlatouche8373 My question is why would you even lament over that in the first place, when God said that “And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.”
I mean I get that you’re sad about it because you love them, but pray for them and work out your own salvation. Witness to them and if they don’t receive what you’re saying, shake the dust from your feet and keep it pushing.
@@leonardlatouche8373 And if we’re saying the same thing, why is this even a discussion? 😂
hi this is Sherell viewing you from Seattle Washington, it's good for you giving us a new perspective, but I would not go after I told them where I stand but it's great to know.
This was so good! Thank you for speaking on how to make a Godly decision. Not just on same sex marriage, but this goes with making any decision! Our lives & decisions, as Preston said, have so much nuance, and we have to make room to wrestle with our decisions, and put some genuine thought, prayer, and Biblical perspective on our decisions, and in our lives. I appreciate your thoughtfulness & the way you teach. You are always pointing people to the word and to Jesus, not to ourselves! Blessings to you both!
These long, discussions complicate simplicity, that’s what’s wrong with the world,people are becoming intellectually blinded!
Ahhh this
Thank you for a deeply meaningful & thought out conversation & it's so good to watch you challenge each other with love & respect always putting the Word & Jesus as the foundation.
I recently came across Preston's interview with Sean McDowell as I was scrolling through past videos for something to listen to. Now I have seen a few of your videos together and have subscribed because I think you both have very valuable things to say.