Fun fact! They actually did have a high-production value Patreon-exclusive series at one point, called Making Watcher! Then they just uploaded the videos for free on TH-cam anyway. Oh, but they had a low-production value series called Watcher Weekly Plus, that actually remained Patreon-exclusive! Until this week, when they canceled it. Yeah, Watcher's been mismanaging their Patreon for a long time.
That is so … they were like we can make people pay for it first and actually see if we put it on TH-cam for free w ads we can make more money! It’s a betrayal to patrons.
The merch costs 80$ for a basic looking sweatshirt and 40$ for a basic white tshirt. That's INSANE. Plus the pateron which brings in as much as 60k a MONTH. Plus ads of 15-30k per ad. The patron was being mismanaged to hell. They could have made their pateron better and put the after show on there and other certain exclusives. While uploading the main stuff and everyone would be happy. They had more than enough if they budgeted. They could have downsized the office, they didn't need like 30 employees.
Bro they had a merch drop for a plushie of the professor character. Almost 80$ I've never bought merch but this was up my ally so I saved n got it. Wiiiosh I neverr diiid. Like this is why I don't buy TH-cam merch
The merch costs don't surprise me at all. Check out how much band merch goes for. $70-80 hoodies, $60 posters, $40 shirts. The companies that produce and distribute can take up to an 80% cut. It's pretty gross all around.
Biggest kick in the pants is *days* before this subscription slap in the face, they announced that they've taken on 2 new on-camera employees to join the CEO in recording themselves travelling around trying expensive food. Something you'd think would be a BAD CHOICE if you're hurting for money??
I saw their post on Insta about that and I maybe felt a little schadenfreude at how the comments congratulating Steven & Co for the possible reboot of the Worth It series, were overtaken by everybody ragging on them for the worst decision they'd ever made to leave TH-cam.
It's amazing how dumb these corporate execs can be. Even in a small company. My company went full time remote when the pandemic hit. We've been that way ever since. Sold off a bunch of buildings, dropped our leases. Until our new CEO got a bug up his ass that we need to all be in the office. So they spent millions buying new real estate, renovating offices to get it ready to bring everyone back to the office. But all we've heard over the last year is "the budget is tight, we need to cut costs". Which is why they laid off a bunch of people. But they're still going forward with the back too office bullshit.
Worst move I've ever seen to ruin a good thing out of no where. And to add insult to injury, rich guys who say "eat the rich" then say everyone can afford another subscriptuon with 1 type of show. 🙄 Makes me sad. I liked them since buzzfeed. Edit, moist did talk about it. They're done.
Lot of people don’t know that they’re in the middle of their live show tour right now. They have a show in London on Thursday with a Q&A and we are all very curious to see what happens 👀
That only makes me think they really thought people will be happy with their announcement. Do they have toxic mold in their headquarters or they are smoking something strong? I want to know who pitched this idea and how it was calculated for them to think it will be a good move? They had 2,93 mil subscribers and "only" 12k payed for Patreon. Why they thought the rest will now pay when they weren't even willing to be Patreon members? The way it was executed is another thing. People wouldn't probably be as angry if it was done slowly over time and in a different manner. But they tried to bite too much too quickly. To be honest it sucks to see Ryan and Shane fall from grace.
@@Fox_Force5 ooooof this. Yeah I honestly agree. The charm was watching scared Ryan and skeptical Shane. Now it's very forced feeling. The day Ryan rode for the ghost dog was the day I said 'oh...so that's where it's at"
Loved these guys since buzzfeed. Ive consistently rewatched the buzzfeed stuff but barely watched the new channel. Watching the first few videos of them setting up the office at the start of Watcher gave me bad vibes. The base audience came from them sitting at a desk talking with text thrown on the screen. We werent there for over the top set designs. We liked them because of how well they played off each other. They lost all the charm when they moved channels. I dont see how anyone would be willing to pay to watch them move yet again to a whole new website and try to up production/sets even more. Whats ironic is them talking about upping the quality. They have thrown what i would assume is an ungodly amount at production/sets and the actual quality has dropped significantly. And no one is actually there for the food videos.
Same i miss unsolved. I didnt need all the extras. I loved just shane and ryan bullshitting over true crime or ghost stories. I loved their 2020 pani ghost stories series. This was just such a slap in the face. Babes we were happy with comic sans font in blue and yellow on the screen 😂
This whole thing has made me so upset and angry. I refuse to believe Shane of all people wanted this. Steven Lim has somehow convinced these 2 guys to step down as CEO and make him the ONLY CEO as he's better at finances🤯he's sold them a pipe dream that this is the right move and it'll all work out but look where we are
He has to swing it some way that messed with them. they both just got married i wouldnt be surprised if he used their marriages against them. And shane being a CEO as an anticapitalist guy makes sense he was able to convince him out tbh but jesus they better leave lol
All three recently got married/engaged. Probably looking to have babies, need to start those college funds. Gotta keep up with the Joneses, etc. Hired way too many staff, and now have guilt in having to make sure they are taken care of… greed, poor planning, unsustainable expectations All sorts of reasons. No hate, just feel bad for their choices and possible overall failure as a content creator.
The thing is, not only do they have nothing new for their subscription service release, they don't have anything filmed either, so if I want to sub to them, I have to wait a year until I get to see a new season of ghost files or puppet history. You'd think they'd have a new show ready for the release to soften the blow and have something to actually offer.
I’ve been watching them for years, since they were part of Buzzfeed. that’s the reason this feels like a punch in the gut. this is how I get repaid for my loyalty?
Especially when they left to "not be buzzfeed" i truly struggle vibing with most of the former buzzers now. Its really just saf and quinta i know i can safely enjoy lol
I wonder what would oompaville talks about this because it just interesting because Charlie called all three out on how the f their channel size could not support their 30+ employees with all the sponsorships, TH-cam Adsense, patreon, merch sales to fund their big projects Like if you don’t have the money to fund your projects. Then it is time to cut them off to save them financially. Cut the extra content through a paywall. Cut the fat where the series aren’t breaking 1mil views and there you’ll save yourself some money. The way Steven says, “6.99” is nothing and it came out of his mouth tells us all that he wants money on his failing food series while Ryan and Shane are the ones who hold their own.
I enjoy watching the duo Ryan and Shane a lot, they have great chemistry together way back since Buzzfeed days. Idk whom idea it was this time ( probably Steven ) but this disappoint us all, literally betray our love and support just for more money.
I think they’ve flown too close to the sun. I think it’s all about them being stubborn and not content with the current size of their company. I think they want to be seen as more legitimate by copying what they’ve learned from buzzfeed but they’re just naturally not there yet so they’re trying to speed up that process but this was not the right move. One of the reasons they stated for leaving TH-cam was that they felt stifled by having to appeal to advertisers. I just think that they didn’t consider their audience in this decision obviously it’s a simple business plan and possibly even a natural transition for them but they wouldn’t be here without their audience and they’ve decided to be greedy and selfish and it’s backfiring now. In late stage capitalism when money is involved things get complicated obviously it would be ideal for this to work for them but in this economy advertisers are sadly just not something that you can avoid when it’s become so ingrained in everyone’s lives now. In a world where people value convince over most things a youtuber trying to stream their content is nearly an impossible feet. TH-cam is convenient free entertainment and there’s always more out there. The entertainment business is so saturated already that it’s incredibly hard to find something special enough to consistently pay for.
funny you brought up Moist because he did talk about this lol they keep bringing up Netflix and how they want to make Netflix type shows well Netflix also has a lot shows people aren't watching already.....I only watch Netflix for Queer Eye or GBBO just like I only watch Watcher for the Top 5 beat down and Puppet History I'm not going pay for Worth it lol people are spending more money on streaming services add it all up it basically one cable bill
Its really sad, Ive been watching Ryan and Shane since Buzzfeed, and only a few months ago I realized they were on a new channel making similar content. Then they just pull the rug out from under me like that. They should have just partnered with Tubi or something, or outsourced their content to some other streaming service. I believe Buzzfeed Unsolved was on Amazon Prime for awhile there so I dont understand this direction at all
If we follow their logic, and all 2.88, now 2.87 million followers went to watcher and subbed for 5.99 a month, theyd make over 17 MILLION DOLLARS A MONTH thats disgusting. Even if a 1/3 of their subs followed theyd make over 5 million a month.
Funny video! I've been a long fan of Watcher, since Buzzfeed days, and watch almost all their content except Steven's which I can't stand. Personally the worst part to me is that I will never be able to watch their show again, since they shown their true colors. How dellusional you have to be to think "anyone and everyone can afford 5,99$". It's purely disgusting. For some it means a month salary, like how out of touch are they?? For example, I live in Canada, so paying 60$ a year for their content would mean 82,80$ for me. They are a joke.
@Straight. I kinda think this is more about prestige with money being an excuse. Look at the section where Shane is asked to detail how the website would differ from their channel. He responded by saying their content would be on an organized platform befitting their high-quality production. I am paraphrasing. It's like they don't want to say they're TH-camrs anymore. They phrase this like it's for the fans but they're leaving most of their fans behind. It sucks. I wonder if they expected this kind of backlash or not.
I don't think they're making as much money as people think. 5,900 paying Patrons, most of whom are probably paying $5/month, so they probably make roughly $30,000/month off of Patreon. They have 25 employees not including the three main guys and the two they just brought in, but just those 25, if they make $3,000/month in California, cost probably $75,000/month for just payroll, not including all the other things employers have to pay like unemployment insurance. Their more recent videos are getting over 1 million views, but scroll down on their videos past the last month or so and you'll see more of their videos are lucky to get 500,000 views than are getting anywhere near 1 million. They mention not being offered as much from sponsors, probably because the more Steve-centric videos have driven down their per-video view average, so they're probably on the lower end of sponsor payout, plus those sponsors are probably specifying that they want their ads on the higher view videos, not the lower, but it's the lower view videos that are costing the most money (eating $10,000 meals kinda stuff), so without those sponsor ads, those videos lose money. Easy way to fix these issues is to stop making the unpopular videos and cut staff, but those unpopular videos are the babies of the CEO, so, yeah, that ain't happening.
Steven gave me the weirdest vibes. Like he's an alien walking around with human skin on. "TH-cam taught me how to be human" wtf does that mean? Definitely adds to my theory that Steven is a alien. Either that or they got demon possessed lol. Maybe one of those times they went ghost hunting they got possessed or cursed. Wait, didn't Shane touch that doll that curses people. That weird popeye looking doll? That allegedly kills people? Maybe this time the doll was fine with just killing their careers.
That's really unfunny opinion and it's weird how people keep attacking Steven like that. I don't like him either, but the dude might be neurodivergent or someting, we don't know. Really childish take.
🤣🤣🤣 right? I’m worried that the demons Ryan has been so afraid of has affected their livelihoods. I wonder if it was the Sally House that done them in🤔
Yeah, they get 100% of revenue but also 100% of cost. I don't think those two Asian guys are living up to the stereotypes of being good with numbers. Steven He's Dad would be ashamed.
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Fun fact! They actually did have a high-production value Patreon-exclusive series at one point, called Making Watcher! Then they just uploaded the videos for free on TH-cam anyway. Oh, but they had a low-production value series called Watcher Weekly Plus, that actually remained Patreon-exclusive! Until this week, when they canceled it. Yeah, Watcher's been mismanaging their Patreon for a long time.
That is so … they were like we can make people pay for it first and actually see if we put it on TH-cam for free w ads we can make more money! It’s a betrayal to patrons.
They also have another channel called Watcher Podcast that does well. So, that is there main channel, Podcast channel, merch, and Patreon.
Apparently, Steven drives around in a Tesla and eats expensive AF food. That is, allegedly, where a lot of the budget is going.
Ugh.
Steven wants another 300$ tea machine.
Yea I also just heard about that 🤦♂️😡damn!!!
All 3 guys used to he CEO and he's recently taken the sole role as he "knows more about finances"...
Don't forget the 70k house in LA! He needs to eat gold encrusted food in order to live actually
Steven Lim eats gold, that’s where all the money goes lol
The merch costs 80$ for a basic looking sweatshirt and 40$ for a basic white tshirt. That's INSANE.
Plus the pateron which brings in as much as 60k a MONTH.
Plus ads of 15-30k per ad.
The patron was being mismanaged to hell. They could have made their pateron better and put the after show on there and other certain exclusives. While uploading the main stuff and everyone would be happy.
They had more than enough if they budgeted.
They could have downsized the office, they didn't need like 30 employees.
Bro they had a merch drop for a plushie of the professor character. Almost 80$ I've never bought merch but this was up my ally so I saved n got it. Wiiiosh I neverr diiid. Like this is why I don't buy TH-cam merch
The merch costs don't surprise me at all. Check out how much band merch goes for. $70-80 hoodies, $60 posters, $40 shirts. The companies that produce and distribute can take up to an 80% cut. It's pretty gross all around.
@@savemyskin yep another reason why I rarely ever buy it
Biggest kick in the pants is *days* before this subscription slap in the face, they announced that they've taken on 2 new on-camera employees to join the CEO in recording themselves travelling around trying expensive food.
Something you'd think would be a BAD CHOICE if you're hurting for money??
Lol, yes, I saw that. They've been totally infected by LA-itis 😂
I saw their post on Insta about that and I maybe felt a little schadenfreude at how the comments congratulating Steven & Co for the possible reboot of the Worth It series, were overtaken by everybody ragging on them for the worst decision they'd ever made to leave TH-cam.
It's amazing how dumb these corporate execs can be. Even in a small company. My company went full time remote when the pandemic hit. We've been that way ever since. Sold off a bunch of buildings, dropped our leases. Until our new CEO got a bug up his ass that we need to all be in the office. So they spent millions buying new real estate, renovating offices to get it ready to bring everyone back to the office. But all we've heard over the last year is "the budget is tight, we need to cut costs". Which is why they laid off a bunch of people. But they're still going forward with the back too office bullshit.
Worst move I've ever seen to ruin a good thing out of no where. And to add insult to injury, rich guys who say "eat the rich" then say everyone can afford another subscriptuon with 1 type of show. 🙄 Makes me sad. I liked them since buzzfeed. Edit, moist did talk about it. They're done.
Seems the rich is trying to eat all of us.
And their patreon memberships vary from 5 to ONE HUNDRED dollars a month.
AND EVEN THE HIGHER TIERS STILL HAVE TO PAY FOR IT
It's like they just forgot it entirely
they def had 3 million subs before they announced they were leaving youtube 😂😂
lost mine with that vid.
I unsubbed last i checked it was 2.87
I just unsubbed and it’s down to 2.85
they had about 2.93 but it’s dropped to 2.85. can’t wait to watch free youtube videos titled “the rise and fall of watcher” in the future
@@saltines463 You know it's over if there's a jaubrey or TRO video about them
Lot of people don’t know that they’re in the middle of their live show tour right now. They have a show in London on Thursday with a Q&A and we are all very curious to see what happens 👀
That's not gonna end well, yikes.
Lol. I hope some good lad records it.
That only makes me think they really thought people will be happy with their announcement.
Do they have toxic mold in their headquarters or they are smoking something strong? I want to know who pitched this idea and how it was calculated for them to think it will be a good move? They had 2,93 mil subscribers and "only" 12k payed for Patreon. Why they thought the rest will now pay when they weren't even willing to be Patreon members?
The way it was executed is another thing. People wouldn't probably be as angry if it was done slowly over time and in a different manner. But they tried to bite too much too quickly. To be honest it sucks to see Ryan and Shane fall from grace.
Dowe have ann update
Oh. No. 😂 Welp. They best pull a Colleen and cancel
yeah the guy steven with the dead eyes and the personally of a rock is the CEO making all the dumb decisions.
Agreed
Steven 'I want a second Tesla' Lim.
I mean, he’s not forcing the other 2 guys, they’re big boys 🤷♀️ 😅
I loved them. But I've unsubscribed, and I'm moving on.
Same here😢
Same!
I’ll miss Ghost Files, but even then, they’ve lost passion for it. I’ve enjoyed their Mystery Files, but I had to unsubscribe as well.
@@Fox_Force5 ooooof this. Yeah I honestly agree. The charm was watching scared Ryan and skeptical Shane. Now it's very forced feeling. The day Ryan rode for the ghost dog was the day I said 'oh...so that's where it's at"
They've completely forgotten that what they're essentially making is a luxury product. People can drop them in a snap.
Steven Lim. Full stop.
One more thing, Steven Lim reminds me of a crypto bro. Soulless and all about himself.
I know they all went with it but I know for a fact Steven was the one to come up with this idea.
Loved these guys since buzzfeed. Ive consistently rewatched the buzzfeed stuff but barely watched the new channel. Watching the first few videos of them setting up the office at the start of Watcher gave me bad vibes. The base audience came from them sitting at a desk talking with text thrown on the screen. We werent there for over the top set designs. We liked them because of how well they played off each other. They lost all the charm when they moved channels. I dont see how anyone would be willing to pay to watch them move yet again to a whole new website and try to up production/sets even more. Whats ironic is them talking about upping the quality. They have thrown what i would assume is an ungodly amount at production/sets and the actual quality has dropped significantly. And no one is actually there for the food videos.
Same i miss unsolved. I didnt need all the extras. I loved just shane and ryan bullshitting over true crime or ghost stories. I loved their 2020 pani ghost stories series. This was just such a slap in the face. Babes we were happy with comic sans font in blue and yellow on the screen 😂
Except that their shirts were fucking FORTY-FIVE dollars and like a chump, I have two. 😂😂😂😭😭😭
This whole thing has made me so upset and angry. I refuse to believe Shane of all people wanted this. Steven Lim has somehow convinced these 2 guys to step down as CEO and make him the ONLY CEO as he's better at finances🤯he's sold them a pipe dream that this is the right move and it'll all work out but look where we are
He has to swing it some way that messed with them. they both just got married i wouldnt be surprised if he used their marriages against them. And shane being a CEO as an anticapitalist guy makes sense he was able to convince him out tbh but jesus they better leave lol
I bet they sold some of their shares to Steven and his rich AF dad and they have a controlling interest now. Just a conspiracy theory but…
Been watching these guys since 2017 and I'm out😂. Bad move.
All three recently got married/engaged. Probably looking to have babies, need to start those college funds.
Gotta keep up with the Joneses, etc.
Hired way too many staff, and now have guilt in having to make sure they are taken care of…
greed, poor planning, unsustainable expectations
All sorts of reasons.
No hate, just feel bad for their choices and possible overall failure as a content creator.
They have some pretty good videos but I think this is still a bad move. Especially right now with the over abundance of subscription services.
The thing is, not only do they have nothing new for their subscription service release, they don't have anything filmed either, so if I want to sub to them, I have to wait a year until I get to see a new season of ghost files or puppet history. You'd think they'd have a new show ready for the release to soften the blow and have something to actually offer.
I’ve been watching them for years, since they were part of Buzzfeed. that’s the reason this feels like a punch in the gut. this is how I get repaid for my loyalty?
Especially when they left to "not be buzzfeed" i truly struggle vibing with most of the former buzzers now. Its really just saf and quinta i know i can safely enjoy lol
I wonder what would oompaville talks about this because it just interesting because Charlie called all three out on how the f their channel size could not support their 30+ employees with all the sponsorships, TH-cam Adsense, patreon, merch sales to fund their big projects
Like if you don’t have the money to fund your projects. Then it is time to cut them off to save them financially. Cut the extra content through a paywall. Cut the fat where the series aren’t breaking 1mil views and there you’ll save yourself some money.
The way Steven says, “6.99” is nothing and it came out of his mouth tells us all that he wants money on his failing food series while Ryan and Shane are the ones who hold their own.
Tbh I watch oompaville for his mental breakdowns mid video😂
I enjoy watching the duo Ryan and Shane a lot, they have great chemistry together way back since Buzzfeed days. Idk whom idea it was this time ( probably Steven ) but this disappoint us all, literally betray our love and support just for more money.
I think they’ve flown too close to the sun. I think it’s all about them being stubborn and not content with the current size of their company. I think they want to be seen as more legitimate by copying what they’ve learned from buzzfeed but they’re just naturally not there yet so they’re trying to speed up that process but this was not the right move. One of the reasons they stated for leaving TH-cam was that they felt stifled by having to appeal to advertisers. I just think that they didn’t consider their audience in this decision obviously it’s a simple business plan and possibly even a natural transition for them but they wouldn’t be here without their audience and they’ve decided to be greedy and selfish and it’s backfiring now. In late stage capitalism when money is involved things get complicated obviously it would be ideal for this to work for them but in this economy advertisers are sadly just not something that you can avoid when it’s become so ingrained in everyone’s lives now. In a world where people value convince over most things a youtuber trying to stream their content is nearly an impossible feet. TH-cam is convenient free entertainment and there’s always more out there. The entertainment business is so saturated already that it’s incredibly hard to find something special enough to consistently pay for.
Man, I love your commentary style - legit hilarious.
❤️ thank you glad you are loving the videos.
Funny how I’m seeing so many ppl just blame that one boring guy for this, he’s not holding a gun to the other two guys’ heads ya know 😅
funny you brought up Moist because he did talk about this lol they keep bringing up Netflix and how they want to make Netflix type shows well Netflix also has a lot shows people aren't watching already.....I only watch Netflix for Queer Eye or GBBO just like I only watch Watcher for the Top 5 beat down and Puppet History I'm not going pay for Worth it lol
people are spending more money on streaming services add it all up it basically one cable bill
I only come back for big shows on Netflix. I really don’t watch it at all either.
I didn’t know who these guy were before… but I know now 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Its really sad, Ive been watching Ryan and Shane since Buzzfeed, and only a few months ago I realized they were on a new channel making similar content. Then they just pull the rug out from under me like that. They should have just partnered with Tubi or something, or outsourced their content to some other streaming service. I believe Buzzfeed Unsolved was on Amazon Prime for awhile there so I dont understand this direction at all
If we follow their logic, and all 2.88, now 2.87 million followers went to watcher and subbed for 5.99 a month, theyd make over 17 MILLION DOLLARS A MONTH thats disgusting. Even if a 1/3 of their subs followed theyd make over 5 million a month.
Funny video! I've been a long fan of Watcher, since Buzzfeed days, and watch almost all their content except Steven's which I can't stand. Personally the worst part to me is that I will never be able to watch their show again, since they shown their true colors. How dellusional you have to be to think "anyone and everyone can afford 5,99$". It's purely disgusting. For some it means a month salary, like how out of touch are they?? For example, I live in Canada, so paying 60$ a year for their content would mean 82,80$ for me. They are a joke.
I need tickets for this live show on Thursday just so I can see how awkward it is 😭
People are forgetting about their podcast channel. So, they have a Main channel + Podcast channel + merch + Patreon.
I just wonder what they about to do with all this money that they can’t do now?
@Straight. I kinda think this is more about prestige with money being an excuse. Look at the section where Shane is asked to detail how the website would differ from their channel. He responded by saying their content would be on an organized platform befitting their high-quality production. I am paraphrasing. It's like they don't want to say they're TH-camrs anymore. They phrase this like it's for the fans but they're leaving most of their fans behind. It sucks. I wonder if they expected this kind of backlash or not.
Moist critical already talked about it.
Yea I watched it while finishing up the video. The timing.
I don't think they're making as much money as people think. 5,900 paying Patrons, most of whom are probably paying $5/month, so they probably make roughly $30,000/month off of Patreon. They have 25 employees not including the three main guys and the two they just brought in, but just those 25, if they make $3,000/month in California, cost probably $75,000/month for just payroll, not including all the other things employers have to pay like unemployment insurance. Their more recent videos are getting over 1 million views, but scroll down on their videos past the last month or so and you'll see more of their videos are lucky to get 500,000 views than are getting anywhere near 1 million. They mention not being offered as much from sponsors, probably because the more Steve-centric videos have driven down their per-video view average, so they're probably on the lower end of sponsor payout, plus those sponsors are probably specifying that they want their ads on the higher view videos, not the lower, but it's the lower view videos that are costing the most money (eating $10,000 meals kinda stuff), so without those sponsor ads, those videos lose money. Easy way to fix these issues is to stop making the unpopular videos and cut staff, but those unpopular videos are the babies of the CEO, so, yeah, that ain't happening.
They're from buzzfeed but i guess you were too young to know that
That explains everything now.
Good video. Thank you fish hooks type animated fish
Your welcome. Thank your for the comment ❤️
I only watch for the ghost hunting and mystery files. Nothing else on Watcher, def not getting their new service.
I didn't know they was on Buzzfeed until someone said it in the comments. Then I remembered I used to watch Unsolved all the time.
It's interesting to see this approached from the perspective of someone who isn't a fan
Steven gave me the weirdest vibes. Like he's an alien walking around with human skin on.
"TH-cam taught me how to be human" wtf does that mean? Definitely adds to my theory that Steven is a alien.
Either that or they got demon possessed lol. Maybe one of those times they went ghost hunting they got possessed or cursed.
Wait, didn't Shane touch that doll that curses people. That weird popeye looking doll? That allegedly kills people? Maybe this time the doll was fine with just killing their careers.
That's really unfunny opinion and it's weird how people keep attacking Steven like that. I don't like him either, but the dude might be neurodivergent or someting, we don't know. Really childish take.
🤣🤣🤣 right? I’m worried that the demons Ryan has been so afraid of has affected their livelihoods. I wonder if it was the Sally House that done them in🤔
How is it, that every single one of you that talk about this topic, have never heard of these guys
nice
Yeah, they get 100% of revenue but also 100% of cost. I don't think those two Asian guys are living up to the stereotypes of being good with numbers. Steven He's Dad would be ashamed.
I used to be a really loyal fan of Watcher but…man im broke
Imma sub to this talking fish instead 🫡🥖
❤️ thank you 😊
@@Straight. why of course!! ^w^