The timing of this video is perfect! We are seriously considering making the same Quigley Qlift suspension improvements to our 2022 Pleasureway Ontour 2.0 on a 2021 Ford Transit - 250, by an authorized Quigley installer in central California. Many questions answered! As always, thanks to you and Kate!
So it's $3,800 for the lift, another $1,000 for the shocks and I'm guessing $300 to $500 for the Timbrens or roughly $5,100. I have no idea if they are charging you for and alignment as well. Great video, in depth review of the problems with lifting a Transit AWD and install of the Quigley Q-Lift. I think this is a best option out there for the Transit. Their price structure however is absurd for what you get. New shocks and struts can be bought online for less than $500 bucks. Their lift is nothing more then a few drop brackets and some plastic spacers. It probably costs them maybe $500 to produce and that's being generous. The install is however very labor intensive but any shade tree mechanic could do it at home. Quigley will not sell their kit to the public. My guess is they know how quickly the kit would be copied cuz it's retardly basic. I get they want to recoup their R&D costs but they are seriously gouging the consumer. I hope somebody comes out with a similar product at a more reasonable cost.
Great info! Bookmarked the Quigley link. My 23 Mode LT just rolled 42K. Haven't noticed any unpleasant noises yet but will definitely check out the wear points you mentioned. Eager to hear performance differences on forest roads. I'm pretty happy with the stock ride from Storyteller, but better is better!
We have the Quigley Q-Lift on our 2023 Transit and couldn't be happier. FAR superior ride to the stock suspension, gives us a little more off-road capability and certainly a more aggressive stance. As you mentioned, our driveline, control arms and axles remain at stock angles. Would do it again in a heartbeat.
I have a Quigley lift on my E450 (videos on my page) I toured the factory a few years ago with Ernie 👍🏼 and it’s a nice facility. I’m going to order all black rims from them in the future. It’s still family run and they have been building these for decades. For the E series they are an authorized Ford up fitter and Ford inspects the plant annually. Meaning Ford allows them to modify their vehicles, like a Shelby Mustang for example. Nice job 👍🏼
I did the same thing as you. I had the VC Stage 4 Topo lift on my 2023 AWD Transit. You don't say, but I'm assuming that's what you had. In addition, I did the yellow Sumo springs. I was pretty happy with the rear set up but not so much with the front. My shocks would bottom out and make a clunking noise when I hit a pot hole. It's my understanding this is due to the preload. So I had the Q-lift installed with the Bilsteins. Pretty happy so far. I also gained about 1". I'm hoping to do the VC lower control arms and the Falcon struts up front when they come out as well. It looks like you replaced Falcon shocks in the rear with Bilsteins? I can't tell if they were the 3.3 or the 2.1 Falcon? Do you consider that an upgrade? I would have thought the Falcons to be better. Appreciate the video.
Seems a well thought out suspension package that the camper van manufacturer could consider offering as a package. Keeping Ford Factory geometry is always the way to go from an engineering perspective of the overrall suspension. Great solutions here. When driving a vehicle offroad, always will have to repair suspension parts sooner than if only a highway vehicle. The dip in their parking must be there by design. haha. The fact that you do not have the wobble anymore takes the camper van to a new level. Many of us do not like this wobble effect that these camper vans have and therefore, have not went down this camper van RV choice route. Will be good to hear how your suspension is still holding up in a year from now. The suspensions on those Baja racing trucks of today are amazing and engineering ideas from those designs are surely useful for other projects
I wish PA weren’t so far away or that I hadn’t told my wife the upgrades are done. 😂 Our Mode LT has the adjustable Falcon Shocks the Owl installed but nothing on the front end which is noticeable. I’m going to have to look into this Quigley upgrade while retaining the Falcons. Looks like a great mod and that extra inch lift would be awesome - the way your van looked post lift was really good.
@@VanDoghies STO delivers a Stage 3 TOPO2 and Owl just brought it up to a Stage 4 TOPO 2 with the adjustable Falcons but no answer for the front. I don’t know why the suspension would affect the AWD as that is putting power to the wheel(s) based on wheel rotation and suspension doesn’t affect that. If anything, the Quigley seems like it would keep the tire on the road and help the AWD.
You really do need to be careful when lifting these AWD Transits, so it's good to see a video that explains why it's so important to maintain the intended geometry to avoid premature wear. I'm considering purchasing a Transit based camper van in the near future and I would also consider a Quigley lift and maybe even their 4x4 conversion. The ecoboost Transit has plenty of power and adding a suspension upgrade and 4x4 turns it into a very capable offroader.
Very interesting video. I know nothing about suspension modifications but have wondered about rigs with big lifts and drivetrain and suspension components at angles so different to the factory setup. You've confirmed my suspicions. Thanks again for such a well done video. Any chance you will be doing more interview videos? We really enjoy those as well. Safe travels!
No problem. We’re still publishing the audio versions on all the podcast platforms but they weren’t popular on here so we stopped putting up the videos
Looks awesome! But 36,000 miles and front drive shaft starting to fail - i wish companies would just make things to last given the price point ;o( Quigley rock and clearly do make parts to last! You got love aftermarket!
Yep we’re very happy with it! If you haven’t already, join the STO Insiders FB group. You can find some great resources. facebook.com/groups/StorytellerOverlandInsiders/
I've not heard good things about Quigley. I have heard they won't warranty their work. If it was 1 person I would not have listened but I have heard it from several people.
Timbren looks like sumos, we didn’t like sumos on our Boldt 4x4 (Sprinter 3500XD). They did mitigate the parking lot body roll, but made the overall ride harsh
Curious if you additionally considered lower control arms by transit off road or van compass instead of the ford replacement arms? Maybe they don’t work with the q setup?
We haven’t considered them. I don’t see a reason for them if the stock arms hold up in this configuration. They might make sense with the VC lift since that is what was causing the problems with the stock arms
@@Weretherussos Thank you, and you are correct. My Transit Trail is 2023 and there are already a number of significant recalls on it, not to mention scary rubbing of tire against wheel well.
Quigley does decent work. We had an ambulance that the converted to 4wd. Was the suspension system you took off original from Storyteller? It will be interesting to hear your thoughts on those Timbren “springs” in the rear. I have thought about those before.
@@WeretherussosGlad to hear you are liking the Timbrens. Hopefully STO watched this video so they can make some changes to the suspension upgrades they do. People don’t think about the geometry and if it gets too far off, you get increased wear and worse driving. Replacing suspension parts at 30k is an example for sure.
We had the VC lift when we went to Quigley and removed all of the components up front to gain our factory geometry back but we left the VC spring lift in the rear but removed the other components
I don’t think the VC suspension was a full 2” however I didn’t have a measure of the stock van without the lift. Yes the lower control arms were why we swapped. We also know other Transit owners with the same lift having the exact same issue so we wanted something that hopefully won’t cause the same issues.
I've been debating between MB or Transit. What do you think the early parts wear was from? The lift or companies trying to save a buck using cheap parts? Thanks
No. The chassis is warrantied by Ford and Quigley is a Ford SVM (Specialty Vehicle Manufacture) which means they are approved by Ford to make these types of modifications.
@@Weretherussos Got it. I didn't think Quigley was one of the approved upfitters. I thought another one (forgot which one) was. Thanks for the info! Just found yr channel. Subbed!
@@jeanparadis8450 just get on Google and search for “ death wobble quigley”. I’m pretty sure by now they have made strides in correcting that issue. But usually when companies have a history, I tend to think twice.
Learn more about the Quigley QLift at www.quigley4x4.com/products/qlift/
The timing of this video is perfect! We are seriously considering making the same Quigley Qlift suspension improvements to our 2022 Pleasureway Ontour 2.0 on a 2021 Ford Transit - 250, by an authorized Quigley installer in central California. Many questions answered! As always, thanks to you and Kate!
So it's $3,800 for the lift, another $1,000 for the shocks and I'm guessing $300 to $500 for the Timbrens or roughly $5,100. I have no idea if they are charging you for and alignment as well. Great video, in depth review of the problems with lifting a Transit AWD and install of the Quigley Q-Lift. I think this is a best option out there for the Transit. Their price structure however is absurd for what you get. New shocks and struts can be bought online for less than $500 bucks. Their lift is nothing more then a few drop brackets and some plastic spacers. It probably costs them maybe $500 to produce and that's being generous. The install is however very labor intensive but any shade tree mechanic could do it at home. Quigley will not sell their kit to the public. My guess is they know how quickly the kit would be copied cuz it's retardly basic. I get they want to recoup their R&D costs but they are seriously gouging the consumer. I hope somebody comes out with a similar product at a more reasonable cost.
Great info! Bookmarked the Quigley link. My 23 Mode LT just rolled 42K. Haven't noticed any unpleasant noises yet but will definitely check out the wear points you mentioned. Eager to hear performance differences on forest roads. I'm pretty happy with the stock ride from Storyteller, but better is better!
It’s definitely been better all around. I’m excited to try some of those dirt roads.
We have the Quigley Q-Lift on our 2023 Transit and couldn't be happier. FAR superior ride to the stock suspension, gives us a little more off-road capability and certainly a more aggressive stance. As you mentioned, our driveline, control arms and axles remain at stock angles. Would do it again in a heartbeat.
Great to hear!
It is good thing that Kate's New buddies are small and don't take a lot of room!
Nice upgrade guys I did Bilstein on my sprinter with 35" tires what a huge difference in handling
Nice to see you guys again, Cheers!
Hope you took the battlefield tour, 5:38 and isn't that museum awesome! Enjoy the new suspension.
Quigley is a great company and Dave is awesome! Great video, enjoy the new ride guys!
I have a Quigley lift on my E450 (videos on my page) I toured the factory a few years ago with Ernie 👍🏼 and it’s a nice facility. I’m going to order all black rims from them in the future. It’s still family run and they have been building these for decades. For the E series they are an authorized Ford up fitter and Ford inspects the plant annually. Meaning Ford allows them to modify their vehicles, like a Shelby Mustang for example. Nice job 👍🏼
I did the same thing as you. I had the VC Stage 4 Topo lift on my 2023 AWD Transit. You don't say, but I'm assuming that's what you had. In addition, I did the yellow Sumo springs. I was pretty happy with the rear set up but not so much with the front. My shocks would bottom out and make a clunking noise when I hit a pot hole. It's my understanding this is due to the preload. So I had the Q-lift installed with the Bilsteins. Pretty happy so far. I also gained about 1". I'm hoping to do the VC lower control arms and the Falcon struts up front when they come out as well. It looks like you replaced Falcon shocks in the rear with Bilsteins? I can't tell if they were the 3.3 or the 2.1 Falcon? Do you consider that an upgrade? I would have thought the Falcons to be better. Appreciate the video.
Seems a well thought out suspension package that the camper van manufacturer could consider offering as a package. Keeping Ford Factory geometry is always the way to go from an engineering perspective of the overrall suspension. Great solutions here. When driving a vehicle offroad, always will have to repair suspension parts sooner than if only a highway vehicle. The dip in their parking must be there by design. haha. The fact that you do not have the wobble anymore takes the camper van to a new level. Many of us do not like this wobble effect that these camper vans have and therefore, have not went down this camper van RV choice route. Will be good to hear how your suspension is still holding up in a year from now. The suspensions on those Baja racing trucks of today are amazing and engineering ideas from those designs are surely useful for other projects
I wish PA weren’t so far away or that I hadn’t told my wife the upgrades are done. 😂 Our Mode LT has the adjustable Falcon Shocks the Owl installed but nothing on the front end which is noticeable. I’m going to have to look into this Quigley upgrade while retaining the Falcons. Looks like a great mod and that extra inch lift would be awesome - the way your van looked post lift was really good.
You can retain the falcons. The lift doesn’t swap the shocks unless you decide to change them out which we did
Did Owl have any ideas about suspension? Many of the installers we have spoken with have said it would break the AWD.
@@VanDoghies STO delivers a Stage 3 TOPO2 and Owl just brought it up to a Stage 4 TOPO 2 with the adjustable Falcons but no answer for the front. I don’t know why the suspension would affect the AWD as that is putting power to the wheel(s) based on wheel rotation and suspension doesn’t affect that. If anything, the Quigley seems like it would keep the tire on the road and help the AWD.
@@ozzywon Great points and thanks!
You really do need to be careful when lifting these AWD Transits, so it's good to see a video that explains why it's so important to maintain the intended geometry to avoid premature wear. I'm considering purchasing a Transit based camper van in the near future and I would also consider a Quigley lift and maybe even their 4x4 conversion. The ecoboost Transit has plenty of power and adding a suspension upgrade and 4x4 turns it into a very capable offroader.
Wow you guys were 15mins from us. Never knew quigley was in Manchester. Guess your sticking around for Hershey. Can't wait.
Yea, prob should have watched the rest of the video before the 1st comment
No worries!
Hi Joe & Kait. That BBQ looked great 👍
Thanks so much
Looking good!
Thank you! Cheers!
Looks like a great improvement, love Quigley, love me some Russos
Thanks Scott!
Very interesting video. I know nothing about suspension modifications but have wondered about rigs with big lifts and drivetrain and suspension components at angles so different to the factory setup. You've confirmed my suspicions. Thanks again for such a well done video. Any chance you will be doing more interview videos? We really enjoy those as well. Safe travels!
Interview videos? Do you mean the podcasts?
@@Weretherussos Yes, podcasts. Sorry about the terminology.
No problem. We’re still publishing the audio versions on all the podcast platforms but they weren’t popular on here so we stopped putting up the videos
Looks awesome! But 36,000 miles and front drive shaft starting to fail - i wish companies would just make things to last given the price point ;o( Quigley rock and clearly do make parts to last! You got love aftermarket!
@VanCompass what's your comment? There's allot of Transit VC lifts out there. Will your adjustable lower control arm solve this?
Thanks Joe, super helpful. I am getting ready to buy a 2022 LT. are happy with your van? Any buyers advice? Thanks again.
Yep we’re very happy with it! If you haven’t already, join the STO Insiders FB group. You can find some great resources. facebook.com/groups/StorytellerOverlandInsiders/
I've not heard good things about Quigley. I have heard they won't warranty their work. If it was 1 person I would not have listened but I have heard it from several people.
You don’t think these guys have done their research? Or should they listen to rumors?
everyone wants a warranty when they crash into a bunch of rocks at 40 miles an hour
Timbren looks like sumos, we didn’t like sumos on our Boldt 4x4 (Sprinter 3500XD). They did mitigate the parking lot body roll, but made the overall ride harsh
Curious if you additionally considered lower control arms by transit off road or van compass instead of the ford replacement arms? Maybe they don’t work with the q setup?
We haven’t considered them. I don’t see a reason for them if the stock arms hold up in this configuration. They might make sense with the VC lift since that is what was causing the problems with the stock arms
Come on over to Illinois to test its off-road capability on our interstates.j
PA has you beat
Thank you for your video, would this suspension upgrade work also for a Ford Transit Trail?
The Trail already has a lift on it from the factory so you would need to contact Quigley and ask
@@Weretherussos Thank you, and you are correct. My Transit Trail is 2023 and there are already a number of significant recalls on it, not to mention scary rubbing of tire against wheel well.
Cool! Not getting a bigger unit?
No plans for it
Quigley does decent work. We had an ambulance that the converted to 4wd. Was the suspension system you took off original from Storyteller? It will be interesting to hear your thoughts on those Timbren “springs” in the rear. I have thought about those before.
Yes that was the Van Compass lift STO put on. Love the Timbrens so far
@@WeretherussosGlad to hear you are liking the Timbrens. Hopefully STO watched this video so they can make some changes to the suspension upgrades they do. People don’t think about the geometry and if it gets too far off, you get increased wear and worse driving. Replacing suspension parts at 30k is an example for sure.
Great video. Is this in addition to a 2" VC lift? Or was your van stock ride height when you brought it to Quigley?
We had the VC lift when we went to Quigley and removed all of the components up front to gain our factory geometry back but we left the VC spring lift in the rear but removed the other components
And you gained another inch at the end of the day? Around 3" total? The reason for the change was the control arm issue? Thanks
I don’t think the VC suspension was a full 2” however I didn’t have a measure of the stock van without the lift.
Yes the lower control arms were why we swapped. We also know other Transit owners with the same lift having the exact same issue so we wanted something that hopefully won’t cause the same issues.
I’m in let’s go four wheeling anytime after September 16
That would give enough time to get my winch wired in
I've been debating between MB or Transit. What do you think the early parts wear was from? The lift or companies trying to save a buck using cheap parts? Thanks
The control arms were due to the lift. That said I’ve heard of MANY more issues with the Sprinters.
Wow does Quigley also ship to the West Coast? Warner Vans perhaps?
Yes they have dealers on the west coast. I would suggest calling them and seeing who and where those dealers are.
@@Weretherussos That's great! I did use your pinned link (duh should have checked that first) and there are a couple friendly dealers out here.
QUESTION: Does Quigley have authorized Dealers out west?
Yes they do. You’d have to call and ask which is closest to you
@@Weretherussos Thank you!
@@Weretherussos Thank you.
So, having all this work done with Quigley, doesn't affect your Ford or Storyteller warranties?
No. The chassis is warrantied by Ford and Quigley is a Ford SVM (Specialty Vehicle Manufacture) which means they are approved by Ford to make these types of modifications.
@@Weretherussos Got it. I didn't think Quigley was one of the approved upfitters. I thought another one (forgot which one) was. Thanks for the info! Just found yr channel. Subbed!
Approximate cost?
thought he mentioned $3,800
@@lrobie123 thank you
What lift did you replace?
Van Compass
81%
What?
81% of the improvements you mentioned are greatly attributed to the loaded bump stops.
81%
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Quigley? Well, I just hope they learned from their past mistakes. U-joint or WeldTec Designs for me.
Hey, I'm seriously looking into Quigley for 4x4 conversion and this lift. Can you elaborate on what mistakes | should be aware of? Thanks.
@@jeanparadis8450 just get on Google and search for “ death wobble quigley”. I’m pretty sure by now they have made strides in correcting that issue. But usually when companies have a history, I tend to think twice.
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