Why Sven's England Should Have Won The World Cup
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 ต.ค. 2024
- In 2006, and England team packed with stars like Steven Gerrard, Frank Lampard, Wayne Rooney, and John Terry went into the 2006 as favourites. They exited having never once looked likely to win it. But in 2002, a far humbler, less fancied England emerged from the proverbial 'Group of Death' to suddenly find themselves as the form-team in the tournament.
A bizarre goal against Brazil ultimately saw them eliminated, but Adam Clery looks at that side, as well as the arrival of Sven-Göran Eriksson, and examines why they were suddenly, improbably, genuine World Cup contenders.
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Watching England's 2002 WC games in the school hall.
Oh the nostalgia kick I got hearing that lol
Same. Reminder we're getting old!
20:45 Ironically the pokemon tangent perfectly fits this analysis. Those pokemon are all great and flashy at their individual strengths, but at a competitive level they don't synergise that well together. The core of that team is the equivalent of turning up to an international tournament with Gerrard and Lampard in midfield
It's an England review but not the one we expected
Review is today's England: it's coming home. 😊
Let’s hope the lessons are learnt and today’s England aren’t afraid to prioritise playing a balanced team over fitting in the stars.
The best teams in football history are 09-12 Barcelona and 17-20 Man City.
England need to pick their most tiki taka capable eleven, not their star eleven.
Carsley seems to have done it quite right. It will hurt in the short run, but once the players have adapted to the system, they will win in the long run.
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@@thierryhenry674 This take shows what kind of person you are unfortunately. Anyone who knows anything you are are wrong, but better luck best time buddy.
Yes.
Italy and Spain did this. And won
@@HappyBob701 Just take some random Xavi, Iniesta and Busquets type of players. Put some sort of once-in-a-lifetime trio up front, make sure one is considered "best of all time"-caliber. Let them play together daily for a couple of years and voilá! You've got a trophy or two. It's not that difficult!
I remember Sheringham hit the bar against Argentina, an incredible volley after a 40 odd pass build up. Ian Wright said in the analysis "if that was Brazil you'd be creaming" and Linekar had to chime in and say "thanks Ian but this is a lunchtime show" 😂
This move is still etched in my mind. If this has gone in, it would have been the greatest goal scored by England.
@@pistonnerd same here, England played brilliant football that day
I thought that line was for a different team (and different year) and Lineker reacted very adeptly by immediately responding 'yes we would all be dreaming'
Arsenal season ticket holder here. I was in the lower East stand for every home game during the Invincibles season and I would argue that we never played 4-4-2 that season at all. It was always a 4-2-3-1. Bergkamp at 10, Pires and Ljungberg as inverted wingers. Vieira and Gilberto as a double pivot with Gilberto dropping into left back whenever Cole raided forward (which was most of the time).
I still believe Sven dropped it against Portugal 2004 when, instead of Heskey, he went with Vassel for the injured Rooney.
Up to the point where he got injured, England were dominating the Portuguese because of Rooney’s hold up play. With Vassel and Owen up front Sven went for stretching the pitch which allowed Ronaldo and Figo (later on, Simao) to cheat the FBs forcing England to just hit long balls to the two smallest players on the pitch.
That was a long night and one tournament that got away imo.
Sheringham would have been a great fit for Owen. Sheringham was a provider. Though agreed Heskey (criminally underrated) was a genius move.
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I thought that was the Brazilian team for a minute. lol
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I'd argue Leicester was 442's last hurrah. But other than that, great video!
I'd say 2016 was when the 442 had its last hurrah.
Leicester winning the Prem.
Atletico making it all the way to the CL final, knocking off MSN Barcelona and Guardiola's Bayern and only losing via penalties to Real Madrid.
Portugal won the Euros playing a sort of diamond 4-4-2.
Despite having Roy Hodgson (probably the most 4-4-2 man to ever exist) England refused to play it and instead had a striker in Sturridge as a winger when they lost to Iceland.....
who were themselves playing a 4-4-2.
It was a narrow 442 same as Athleti
For a brief moment, Emile Heskey looked like he was going to be a mainstay for Liverpool and England, then his confidence just evaporated and never came back.
Darwin Nuñez is better and has much more to offer than Emile Heskey, but he is following the same path.
The Heskey memers will never understand how terrifyingly quick and powerful 21 year old Emile Heskey was to play against.
@@maurodriguesxr Different player profile. If we really need to drag Nunez and English Liverpool attackers into the conversation, Fowler would be more similar to Nunez than Heskey.
Heskey would tie up 2-3 defenders and they’d bounce off him most of the time leaving Owen free.
@@konzza fowler isnt anything like either of them.
robbie fowler was a genuine ice cold deadly finisher whos a club icon.
something nunez and heskey could only dream of being.
Always thought the Scholes Gerrard Lampard conundrum could have been fixed with a diamond midfield and a DM. Give Gerrard a freeish role at the 10 to use his legs, Scholes as a metronome, Lampard to make late runs. Beckham to take the place of either Gerrard or Lampard as and when it makes sense, either to ping it from deep or take up a mezzala type role. What an England side that could have been.
"Keegan thought they were wide open"
That sentence alone should scare anyone. Especially Newcastle fans.
Watching this in 2042 and it still waiting for the analysis video on why Pep Guardiola’s 2026 World Cup England campaign was the greatest display of international football talent ever seen.
"Guardiola's England played mesmerizing football all the way to the final, where they were cruelly undone by Kyle Walker's failure to track a runner at the back post in stoppage time, and then went on to lose via penalties"
@@stevendchu Yeah - his legs may have been fast but I'm not sure his football brain ever was.
@@garyreynolds5733watching Antonio breeze past him was not a good look though
What just passing and passing
Love your stuff, Adam. Really top notch. But there’s absolutely no way England should have beaten that Brazil team. The 3 R’s were enough, but then there’s Cafu, Lucio, Roberto Carlos, a (very) young Kaka.
Nope
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If England had beaten Brazil then they maybe could have won the rest of it, in the same way that Southgate's team maybe could have won in 2018, 2020, or 2024... but football is rarely that straightforward, so who knows. Once Brazil shut up shop, England had no way to break through; if Turkey had gone defensive in the semis, we could have had the same problem there, and lost it. Germany lost to us badly in the qualifiers, but came good in the World Cup, and could easily have beaten us. We would have dared to dream, but we would still have had two more coin-flip matches and no guarantee of success. I agree it was a good team that could have gone further, but the cruel reality of football is they didn't.
Low block Turkey and Low Block Brazil (even 10 Man Brazil) are completely different beasts.
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This video explains why it is important to get the balance right as opposed to cramming all the 'best' players in. I for one think only one out of the trio of Palamer, Foden and Bellingham need to be in the first 11 and if Kane is playing, have wingers who spread play like Madueke and Gordon or even Watkins who was a winger before he became a striker...
I woud put Palamer and Bellingham both in, they are differant enough for it to work. They just need to understand each other better. So two but never three.
@@lenrichardson7349 I agree its possible to play 2 of the 3 but if you are going to do so then in my view you must have a more defensively solid RB than TAA which with currently fit players means Walker but would be one of him and Reece James if both are fully fit both of whom are still capable offensively. If you want Trent you need to play a second midfielder alongside Rice who can also help cover TAAs defensive deficiencies or even just provide cover against counters which means dropping another of Bellingham, Palmer and Foden. If Palmer is playing and we have the ball he will tend to want to occupy the same spaces as TAA anyway.
Just to add while Palmer can play on the right wing he is less effective there than more centrally and both Saka and Madueke offer more playing as the right winger so dropping one of them for a second midfield and moving Palmer out right would be a worse option which is why in the previous post I said it has to be either another of those 3 or TAA that is sacrificed.
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Adam, during your next retro tactics I would love to see a video detailing the tactical evolution of Guardiola from his time at Barca B to Mancity. I feel like it would be cool because he has been at the forefront of tactical evolution for the past 15 years! Love the content, favorite football tactics channel on TH-cam.
Simeone's Atletico Madrid just as great at its peak in a 442.
I'd argue even better, they were up against the famous BBC and MSN trios in their prime
Great video - my friends and I have had this conversation so many times - 02 was the best England team for aaaages (2021 was prob the next one that came close). So much cohesion, and great partnerships.
Altho I notice you didn't mention that performance against Greece...
I remember that Argentina game, England was brilliant that day
Really enjoyed that. Certainly changed my perception of that era a little. Would have liked a bit more on why the latter team didn't gel. Unlucky Hargreaves had the potential to resolve the issue. Would like more of these modern takes on classic matches. So many posibilities. Brazil v England 1970, 1970s Holland v Germany, Platini era France, Taylors early 90s England!... etc.
I’d say the main reason was the personalities. There were severe issues with discipline from almost every player mentioned, and that same carelessness transferred on the field. Brazil had the same issue, but scolari was able tonset himself above it all, and despite all the stars, make the system focus. Sven could’ve been the man, but he also undermined himself with scandal, and folded to the media
I mostly remember our inability to break down Brazil, who were very good. Never remembered it would have been Turkey and Germany … ah the ifs buts and maybes
Really enjoy the videos but, have to say, that wasn’t the formation Keegan put out against Germany.
Southgate was actually in midfield, with a back four. It was a much talked about choice at the time and Keegan goes some way to justifying the decision in his autobiography while admitting it didn’t work.
Yes enjoyed that Adam. Dont normally look back but you made it worthwhile 🙂👍
Hi Adam. Appreciate the posting, thank you. As someone who lived through this period, it was probably one of the most frustrating times to be an England supporter, only surpassed by the Southgate era. We really should have won something. If only we’d had a truly left-sided equivalent to DB. Ho hum . . .
Alright Adam Clery where’s the Pokémon U-9 tournament analysis of your Team the people are yearning for the battles!
Those names are unreal. So much talent it’s crazy.
That England was one of my favorites in that WC (I was so happy they beat Argentina) but nobody was gonna beat that Brazil.
What I remember of that squad is that Seaman was past it. He was injured that season and after he came back he let in a couple of goals that an average PL keeper would not. His positioning was still great but he lost at least 6” in leap and the reaction speed seemed down too. I suspect James would have saved the Brazil free kick.
I think you underestimate what Ronaldinho could have done in an extra 40 minutes. Also that Brazil team…Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Cafu, Carlos, Rivaldo, Silva (Kaka on the bench…)
Selecting players based on profile is what England needs nowadays, I reckon. It seems unthinkable to choose only one or two of Bellingham, Foden, and Palmer, for example, but making big calls like that might be the key to unlock England's talent.
Worst for me, it shouldn’t really be a hard decision. Foden simply is not on the level of the other two, and he’s a poor fit for the system. Should be an easy choice
Love this idea of retro tactics. So boring watching people try and break down the modern day tactics.
This is a really good take on a team that were one of the best yet most frustrating Engalnd teams. My main memory was that Beckham injured his metatarsel in tue run up & the country went into meltdown because we were utterly dependent upon him & owen for goals. In that game my memory is that he jumped out of a 50/50 with ronaldinho (which you would usually expect him to go for) & ronaldinho then danced through the rest of our team to set up rivaldo.
As you say, Brazil scored a bit of a lucky goal & proceeded to shut it down. A manager with more tactical adaptability may have got more out of that team but it was a far better iteration than the shambles it became. Would tend to agree that Nicky Butt was a key member of that team & dropping him to accommodate gerrard & lampard meant we lost that balance.
clicked because the 04 team not winning 06WC is a devistating chapter of my childhood, it was the first time I was old enough to get really hyped for a tournament, I never had as much faith in England again as that lil kid did 🤣 So Adam was right, that was the team I assumed he was gunna talk about xD
Slightly rose tinted. That Brazil team had Ronaldo, Ronaldinho and Rivaldo up front with Gilberto Silva in the middle and Cafu, Roque Junior and Roberto Carlos at the back. It was miles better than England. Yes England should have utilised its man advantage but when have we been good at moving the ball about patiently to utilise space? (Well in those days we couldn't. We could do it under Robson, Hoddle and Venables)
And Lucio, Juninho, too
If I remembered correctly, one Dunga was their Roy Keane, right? This Brazil was way ahead of everyone. And stressing that the original Ronaldo was the one-man army who really can beat defences on his own. And defenders in the past are nowhere as "soft" (relatively) as those nowadays. You get me. 😅
@@Chengyuan79 To be fair England coped quite well with Ronaldo that day, and he was carrying an injury as well. But even if you shut him out, there still was Rivaldo and Ronaldinho to deal with... which England just couldn't.
@oldskoolmusicnostalgia doubt any team can. And that is just the front 3. Cafu and Roberto Carlos as flying WBs. Lucio is a goal scoring DC (loved the underdog Leverkusen. They finally won last season). Cannot even remember the ... Arsenal MC Gilberto Silva and Dunga?
And, the freaking bench. That big guy Adrianano or something? An upcoming Kaka? Man ...
The difference really, is that brazil was able to break from its own restraints. Scolari changed their system and took a lot of flack for playing a back three. It worked wonder for the players
Interesting take.
Strange how history repeats itself, in that we now need someone to come in and look at the profiles of players and how they fit the team rather than their 'star quality'.
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One of my biggest memories of England at the 2002 WC is David Beckham, who had suffered a broken metatarsal just a few months previously, pulling out of tackles he previously would have gone into without hesitation. Also, England WERE better than that utterly fantastic Brazil team, but they weren't better than Ronaldinho.
I remember Brazil were lucky not be down to 9 for some very high tackle on Beckham that luckily/unluckily did not connect. I remember at the time people thinking if we beat Brazil nobody could stop us, for the only time I can remember we were absolutely not in the least worried about Germany. I have a recording of the 5:1 win and occasionally watch it if United have a crap game ...... Nearly worn out the dvd now these last 2 years..
Ah, but you forget two great impediments that England must labour under: 1. The Press and 2. Their fans...
Great video Adam! You’ve got me convinced 🤔😃
I dunno re Brazil, man. I remember that match. They toyed with us most of that game...
Correct - delusional to think poor technique England-coached players were as good as these Brazilians who were to reach 3 WORLD CUP FINALS IN A ROW !
Spot on. Once Brazil equalised, there was no contest at all. They got better throughout the game while England couldn't switch gears.
20:18 the change of fonts to represent the change of generations is a really neat touch
Hmm I see somehow history repeating, you can't just put the 11 best players on the pitch
England didn't beat Brazil in 2002 because of Danny Mills. Brazil made the correct determination that Danny Mills was England's least talented footballer so they let him have the ball. I will never forget the sight of Danny Mills carrying the ball forward into the opposition half and not having a fucking clue what to do with it. I even remember him getting to their box and haplessly booting it in the general vicinity of some England players. It was pitiful. Why Sven persisted with him is the even bigger mystery.
As bad as he was as a player, he is somehow even worse as a pundit
It's because Scholes was worse.
@@cedarstuff and as bad as he is as a football pundit, he’s even worse when he has a stab at talking about politics or social issues.
Sinclair was the worst player in that run. Only one without a significant achievement, for good reason. Might as well have injured Barmby.
Sure, that's why Ronaldinho got sent off trying to break his ankle in a tackle, because they always let him have the ball
A balanced system, where everyone knows their role, will always be better, at international level, than a team full of ballers that doesn't have an identity.
True, sadly national team managers are expected to fit superstars.
Morocco did it so well last wc
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Love it! Great trip down memory lane.
I've been critical of this channel in the past so I feel obligated to say this was a good video
I appreciate you using the same typeface as the England shirt for the graphics
Fantastic video FFT 🙌🏻
I wouldn't say Mourinho killed the 4-4-2 but he certainly dislodged it as the dominant paradigm in English football
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@FourFourTwo Brazil would’ve been fine with 11 men against us. Worth pointing out that Cafu himself was a reinvention at that WC, initially just a RB, he was called up to that 23-man squad as cover on the condition he played RCB. That’s what made 2002 Brazil outstanding! Talking of reinvention, look up Ze Roberto’s transition from LW to CDM, quite remarkable!
i was watching it at 3pm Malaysian time then. Was working for BP so the head of department gave staff time off to watch the live telecast in the office cafe provided we supported England. When Brazil dropped to 10 men, England seemed to run into a brickwall. I thought they could have tried playing Joe Cole on the left to wiggle in or ask Beckham to hoof it into the box for Heskey and Sheringham to attack and Owen to pick up the loose ball. Had that happen, maybe there would be a few more opportunities. Also, Scholas and Beckham could have tried some shots. But I just remember England passing the ball around with no progress, the heat could have gotten to them at that stage
I remember that team very well and I've watched every single English national team match between 96 and '06. However I would argue that Brazil was much better and they were also without Emerson who got injured due to training antics pre tournament, he was the best 6 at that time in the world. Scolari got ronaldinho and rivaldo work together, they had the best right and left backs ever and the main man was of course coming back from a nightmare to haunt us all. Brazil would have matched and beaten England every time (let's say 95 out of 100). On the other hand, since we (Turkey) finished third, I would argue that we were the last great 442. Shoutout to Sven, great guy and great manager, rip, always loved him, he deserved the best.
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I always felt that Euro 2004 was the one that got away from this England team. So many things went wrong in the Portugal quarter final: Rooney off injured, Campbell's 'winner' ruled out, Beckham's penalty-taking mojo going walkabout. If they had got through that game, they would have won I think. You would certainly fancy them against Greece in the final.
2002 World Cup side is definitely not talked about enough. It used to be the Euro 2004 squad that was underrated but that’s being redressed now.
But yeah, had they beaten Brazil I’d have bet on them to win the whole thing. Weird the way history rhymes.
But England NEVER beat the top teams at tournaments in knock-out matches - it took from West Germany in 1966 to Germany in 2021 for England to beat ANY top team in a knockout match. It's a DISGRACEFUL record.
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Great video Adam 👍 isn't this how Spain beat us? By selecting players that fit into their structure? I'm sure they picked players from other teams other than Real or Barca? Hopefully our new manager will take a similar approach "round pegs for round holes"
Its Neville to Campbell, Campbell to Rio, Rio to Scholesey, Scholesey Gerrard. Gerrard to Beckham, Beckham to Heskey, Heskey to Owen, to Nodd FIVE ONE! We're on the Ball!
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I’m sorry, but you’ll never convince me that Heskey was ever good enough for that level. He got way too many caps.
Also, if that 442 was so indestructible, he’d have carried on with it and we’d have dominated world football.
It was just a very bad day at the office for Germany, and England had a great day at the office. Nothing more deep than that, IMO.
The best about this video is England didn't win a world cup 😂😂
Hilariously wrong - the players were not good enough ! And if you disagree, you will NEVER understand why England have failed so badly since 1950 at the highest level, with one home advantage exception. Scholes had the English disease of being unable to control a football properly under pressure and STUNK in that 2002 quarter-final creating nothing against 10 men, giving the ball away for the first goal and the foul for the winner. Sven had had enough of Scholes after that. Gerrard couldn't pass the ball consistently accurately even against Slovenia in 2010, Lampard had to look at his feet to see if the ball was still there and couldn't tackle to save his life in a holding role and ROONEY ! Wayne Rooney failed in each of his World Cups because he had abysmal first touch. Red-faced embarrassment after failing to control the ball properly, scrambling around on the floor, had a tantrum and stamped on a player and was sent off; Four years later Rooney failed to control the ball at all in his bright orange boots and complained to the cameras when England fans booed him; and Rooney had a 56% pass-completion rate in the thrashing by Germany because he couldn't control the ball properly and resorted to flicks and first-time, no look passes. Four years later he was even worse. AND THOSE WERE THE BEST PLAYERS. If you can't see the TECHNICAL weaknesses you will NEVER understand why England couldn't keep the ball or play accurate passes in the important areas of the pitch and resorted to playing long-ball football all the time. DELUSIONAL England fans think England players are as good as the rest of the world. WHY then has the FA, after 100 years, only recently tried to improve technical coaching of young players and introduced coaching qualifications. It's because England players ARE NOT as good. It is only recently the players coming through have started to improve their consistent, technical ability - their first-touch and ball control - it's still a work in progress across English football. The rest of the world have reinvented and improved their coaching over and over again in the last 75 years, Brazil, Italy, Germany, Argentina, France and Spain plus technique-coaching cultures Croatia and Netherlands updated their coaching over the decades and got to ALL THE WORLD CUP FINALS since 1966 - not England though - we didn't think we had to. THAT'S WHY WE FAILED - THE PLAYERS WERE NOT GOOD ENOUGH - NOT BECAUSE OF MANAGERS AND FORMATIONS.
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Eh? England would have never beaten Germany, and didn't and wouldn't have ever beaten Brazil that tournament. Would have even struggled against South Korea, Turkey. They drew against Sweden in opening game, and could still be playing now and not have scored in open play.
I'm English, but has always baffled me the arrogance of people when it comes to the 'golden generation' that they forget there were half dozen other top tier sides around the world throughout that time.
I hope u got some footage to do those 2-3-5 formation before the 3rd back game, mate 🙂
I think it should also be noted just how hot it was in Fukuroi for that quarter final. I think England wilted a bit in the heat
It wasn't exactly suited to the two gingers in central midfield.
Scholes said he didn't mind playing on the left as he often did it for United.
Adam, you mentioned the death of the 4-4-2, could you do a retro tactics video of Mourinho’s systems?
The players Sven had in WC 2002, Euros 2004 and WC 2006 were levels, yep levels, better than the current England team, goalkeepers excepted.
Yet, they were not as successful as Southgate’s England. And had he been just a little less cautious, England might even have won back to back Euros, and made at least one, if not 2, WC finals.
England lost to a team whose attack was Ronaldo, Ronaldinho and Rivaldo - 5 ballon d'ors won (eventually) by those 3. A young Kaka was on the bench. England had a really good team but they were knocked out by a better one.
Would've been good to see what formation/players you would've played for the Brazil game
Well done on the gengar. You must of had a freind you trusted.
So glad that Liverpool helped him achieve his dream before he passed, he has a better Liverpool legacy than Brendan Rogers.
“Gascoigne was being successfully moulded to fit the new generation of talent going into Euro 2000…”
30 seconds later
“Gazza hadn’t played for England for three years.”
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Brilliant content as per. Only bone is G. Neville was an absolute donkey, he did 'love to bomb forward' but when he got there f all happened, ever. We were 1 world class full back away from realising the dream. chapeaux as always good sir
Gary Neville picked himself for years. There was no-one else. Maybe that says more about the competition, but who else would you put in?
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England 2002 were quite good, certainly a far more cohesive unit than those teams of 2006, 2010 and 2014. However they were clearly second best to Brazil in the 1/4 final. Gifted a goal by Lucio but couldn't hold on to it against the brilliance of Rivaldo and Ronaldinho that day. More embarrassingly, England were entirely unthreatening even during the 30+ minute-stretch during which Brazil were down to 10.
'Ladies and Gentlemen, England will be playing four-four-fucking-two.' - Sven Göran Eriksson
Using hindsight to improve on the past is tight!
9:37 no wonder we lost … we didn’t have a keeper
don't forget David Beckham was injured in the Champions League, almost didn't make the World Cup. Though still a threat, he was pretty far from his best form. With peak Beckham, things also could've been different.
If the match with Greece is anything to go by, this is proof more than ever that your average England fan needs to stfu and simply allow whoever the next manager will be to simply play a system that works best for them, with the players suited to those roles, NOT just simply put your best players on and hope for the best. A belief in a system is key
You've got Scholes slightly out of position.
For England and United he was always the left side centre mid, not the right side.
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That England team played above their abilities; Danny Mills, Sinclair, and Nicky Butt... and Heskey. Butt and Scholes were great together in that tournament, and Mills proved to be a tough and hard working full back. But alas.... They shouldn't have won and they didn't win because Brazil had not only balance in their team, but also Ronaldo, Rivaldo, and Ronaldinho in their attack. The fact we couldn't finish them off when they had 10 men is enough to know this.
To win the World Cup you have to beat at least one of the traditional top countries in a knockout (!) match including possibly the final. Since that famous day in 1966 England did not win a single knockout match against the historical top-teams Italy, Germany, France, Argentina, Brazil. NOT A SINGLE BIG MATCH WIN in 50 years !!!!!!!!! All those other countries, plus Netherlands, Spain have played each other multiple times, won some, lost some and reached EVERY SINGLE WORLD CUP FINAL since 1966 on multiple occasions - but England NEVER beat a traditionally top team in a one-off, knockout tournament match - not until Germany in the 2021 Euros. No wonder we celebrate NOTHING last-minute wins against Greece and 5-1 against Germany in MEANINGLESS qualifiers !!!!!!!! The rest of the world is LAUGHING.